all this bitching about history... who gives a fuck- we're you honestly alive back then? If you were, you have cool grandchildren to show you how this interweb thing works..I am just looking forward to seeing the movie (and how bad they destroyed the original)
If you disagree.. go fuck yourself.. How's THAT for a preemptive strike!
Yes it was a Democracy that was being crushed under debt by the very banksters that are now crushing the whole world, funny how history repeats it self except this time it's really big!
I wager that this movie will be a tremendous flop. N Korea can't even feed their own people, which is why they are fleeing to China (funny, China has an Illegal immigration problem too!). That coupled with likely under par vehicles, uniforms, weapons, destruction (I understand that 2000lb bomb shatters all windows within .5 mile)= low quality. More likely, U.S. will crumble as an economic power, splinter, and be torn apart by internal strife before someone intervenes under the UN flag to "help".
@EnslavedAndOppressed Don't underestimate an enemy, the North Korean soldiers are fanatics that will rip your jugular out with whatever teeth they have left. They are furious, resistant to all weather and condition and they can survive off of maggot rice longer than our soldiers..... Bitching cuz they didn't get a milkshake in their MRE
@meanshein Yes, they are a threat, that must not be underestimated or considered of no consequence. I just see a very large, but outdated and under equipped army, and tactics that would cause mass casualties on each side.
I personally think that, major scale-back of US armed forces, more economic difficulties, a war in Pakistan and US default on national debt, Chinese-backed N Korean offensive to reclaim South K, followed by Chinese takeover of Taiwan to be more plausible. Then maybe invasion
@MaqAtaq Look up the Korean war shithead and maybe go around and thank some vets cuz it's known as the forgotten war even though the US got their asses handed to them in the start the Canucks, Brits and Auzzies were there within weeks to back them up. Learn about history man and maybe you'll understand what these men went through
This Red Dawn movie just proves that American way of masturbation. Why? Not even the U.S army could have stopped the invasion, a few school kids defeat the entire army? Come on, do you have better way to jack off? Although the movie doesn't make any sense, but it does excite whole bunch of "patriotism". I don't mind it is either China or N.K invade the town, to me, it is just a joke to reveal who is masturbating themselves. Good work, Dan Bradley. You have successfully cured American Anorgasmy.
@scaremengaviation well the thing is....I believe it is not just North Korea...the story I believe will involve NK unifying with the south. The economy went bad in SK and US and SK gov't soon was taken control by socialists because of the horrible economy. Then like homefront, they join forces with Russia, SE countries, and maybe china...as soon as the oil supply is dwindling , they join forces to invade the US to get its resources. This is my possible back story.
I was at block buster, and i ask for red dawn the lady gave me an old verison of the movie red dawn. i said no mam the new movie red the remake of 2010, the lady gave me a look like i was crazy. She told me they never made the new movie red dawn remake. Look the girl made no effor on helping or i'm i thinking, the dvd the remake red dawn never came out in dvd? or if they had what the title of
hollywood if u want to brainwash americans into believing the cold war is still on then go ahead. but atleast get the details right Chinese troops use QZB-95 bullpup assult rifles NOT ak-47 styled rifles.
@caonabismo lol Chinese Military has lots of Hmmwv CLONEs The "EQ2050" Looks Very much like the "Humvee" its Kinda easy for them to have emm since they are made there . On top of that we give military's around the world all kinds of equipment in the name of "Diplomacy "
@Patriotsurvival Maybe they are planning on having the US humvees be captured by the Chinese/North Koreans. Assuming that Detroit was hit by Airborne forces, they wouldn't be supplied with a lot of tanks and heavy weapons. US Airborne units even have very few vehicles.
@5567729 The Chinese would totally not use any captured equipment. Instead, they would wait for equipment brought in from China? .....Chinese troops, numbering about 2.5 million, aren't all issued QBZ-03 or 95's. The mainstay issued rifles are still the AKM's. If they did invade, They would have to recruit hundreds of thousands if not millions of new troops to pull off an invasion of America. They would have to issue surplus Ak's.
@Twisteddreamer78 Democracy in a bad way. The first - third Reichs, Princes, Aristocracies, Monarchies, the Kaiser and weak and useless parliments gave way to the Weimar Republic. Mob rule brainwashing yes. I do agree with your points on gun ownership. protfl is a useful idiot. The 2nd Amendment has more to do with keeping the country safe FROM our own government than it does with invaders, 'indians', or to 'feel cool'. Germany's Democracy simply used the mob to legitimise bad policy.
@Twisteddreamer78 there are no other people with guns if guns are not scattered allover. plus i doubt if you go to a mall you take a rifle with yourself, its a mistake, as lately you have many tyranny fighters who use such unconcerned people to earn a dozen of frags.
wheel? you are from ancient middle east? with you gave yourselves better education. ummm, yes, we have sportsmen from caucasus who are very good in fighting disciplines, but their intellectual level is comparable with yours.
@Twisteddreamer78 but anyone with sane brain could always buy himself a hunting rifle, it never was a problem. but your problem is you need a gun when you dont need to protect yourself from anyone, you represent nation of paranoics and cowards.
@Twisteddreamer78 you are ignorant, as according to your laws you need guns to organize militia to protect your 'free' state against agression or to massacre indians, but you for some reason think you have guns because you are cool, no you are not. you are an epic imbecile, not to say that if they have stopped hitler they'd turn commie, as they were the main power in germany before hitler compromised them.more than that we never gave up guns because we never had them in free possession.
@Twisteddreamer78 you have guns because you are inferior, nobody attempted to invade your crappy continent for last 200 years, but you still have guns, to threaten animals in woods i bet. though if you use it to hunt and use animals you kill as free food, as you say, its alright.
@Twisteddreamer78 the fact is you have good navy and live in other hemisphere protected by 2 oceans from all actual players. your free food will disappear at once when world declares war on you. you'd just die without import, as you dont know how to consume adequately, nothing is free in this world, but you are dumb to think food is. food is product of human labour, you cant be surrounded by free food except you are a farmer and its your own production, idiot.
If you check Red Chinese PLA military equipment on the Internet, you'll see they use vehicles that bear a strong outward resemblence to the American HMMWV. The PLA version appears to be 5/6ths the size of its American counterpart. The PLA soldiers today wear a new helmet that resembles the American kevlar helmet. Many foreign armies have adopted the American kevlar helmet or a helmet that resembles it. The Red Chinese paratroopers should be shown with bullpup QBZ-95 assault rifles.
@Rucksack1944 No, that's what you assume. It's just that there are alot of ignorant and stupid people who will take this movie seriously and say "Omg, the Chinese are invading!!! Kill all Chinks!" Same would happen if it was any other country like Russia and France.
why would they pick a target so far from any supply lines the paratroopers could'nt last long with out heavy reinforcements? and that'sone long flight over would become very hostle airspace once aircraft would start leaving their assinged airspace,it would be more prodent to invade the west coast and capture a few ports th bring reinforcments in by sea
@itak365 and plus they aka stoled them from the military base here... why they also had humvees and it amazing movie making my friend dan live few blocks away from there,.
@NickCherryster Maybe, but Chinese equipment is based off of ours much of the time. For example, the SQF2040 is literally copied from the Humvee, as is the Dongfeng Motors EQ2050 series.
@itak365 and they would have access to captured army reserve/ national guard equipment and if they did like the russians did in the cold war alot of the equipment would be NATO standardized to use captured stocks,my biggest complaint about the movie is it's set in a post 9/11 america and the chinese are using the same trick that the russians used in the original movie using civilian airliners to drop paratroopers
are the chinese usong the type 5 sub-machine guns or are they using the type 56 or type 71 rifles? and i see that they took over some u.s army supplies using the humvee and all, it looks worth while i wouldn't mind go seeing it, does anyone know exactly when its coming out?
China's Type 81 assault rifle is a Chinese improved version of AK-47. It is equally reliable as AK while almost as accurate as M16. However, these Type 81 assault rifles are no longer in use by the primary military. Only secondary reserves might use them. Chinese troops today use QBZ-95.
P.S. Chinese military really uses humvee style vehicles. I've seen photos before.
Bullcrap. If China and US goes to war, any attack would utterly f*** up the planet's economy as China and US are the world's prominent economic centers. And even if they did anyway the US will be in an utter disadvantage compared to China by one of the greatest weapons in history - an "Economic Nuke", or a "debt bomb", as China is now the biggest shareholder of US debts. As soon as the US pisses them off they would dump them and wreck the US economy for good.
if china does drop a debt bomb it would also fuck up their economy as well as ours, but American has proven to be very resilient, (i.e.) great depression, china has not.
Germans lost to the Russians only because the US was already overwhelming them with industry. With the weapons we have today we don't rely fully on manpower and brute force. Automated bots and armored tanks do most of the harework today. Look up the MULE. That's what'll help fight all those Chinese (not meant as offensive)
American defence specialists analysed what would happened if WWIII would break out, they all calculated with the Soviets quickly overwhelming western Europe. And you seemed to misunderstood what I said, by overwhelming I mean by tanks, air planes etc (the t-55 was produced in numbers as high as 90.000, which is insane). If you wanna go there; The Abrams is old, and archaic. The Leopard2A5S Is currently the most technologically advanced tank in the world, but you wanna play "My daddy's stronger"?
The leopard is in fact older than the abrams. Sure the Abrams is old, but so is the leo 2. The Leo has bigger fire power. The abrams is fast, and can see the enemy before the enemy sees it. You can't just say the Leo 2 is the most technologically advanced just because of a few advantages. By that logic the Chall 2 is the best just because it's made the furthest tank to tank kill, and has no battle or crew casualties. But the challenger hasn't seen enough action to even it out.
The Leopard2A5S got the most modern communication and targeting systems in the world, you can't look at crudeness like "It's more heavily armed" etc, it's the proper mix of speed, range, firepower and advanced technology that rates a tank, however to be fair, the Leopard2A5S has never engaged in combat, though theoretically it is the best.
The truth is it is more heavily armed, and as well as it's communications the Abrams has a fantastic digital sightings system that far surpasses the leo, making the Abrams far more digitally advanced. Many historians (including me will tell you this). It doesn't mean the Abrams is better, however it does mean the Abrams is more digitally advanced. This was proven when in a training exercise, and Abrams spotted and killed (infrared) several Canadian Leo II's before they could spot the Abrams
Jesus man, theres at least 10 different versions of the Leopard 2, I specified the Leopard 2A5S (Strv122), you obviously have no idea about what tank this is!
The leopard 2A56 is the newest tank. I'm not saying the Abrams is the best and the leopard is the worst. What I am saying is the Abrams currently holds the position of the most digitally and technologically advanced tank. It's not hard to admit. I've been an AFV historian for 5 years, so it's best not to argue. Of course I know what tank it is.
That's fine. Just remember, I'm not saying the Abrams is the best (although it is my favorite), It simply is just somewhat more technologically advanced than the leopard. However, that can be disputed. The leopard 2A6, and 2A56 have a lot to offer technologically wise. The Abrams was based off the Leo, so I shouldn't have anything to trash talk about! :)
Well I'm glad we could settle that in somewhat of a grown up manner, I guess it's more of a personal taste than anything, until the Strv122 and the Abrams have actually met in battle, which will be never^^
Its armour is classified, so its not JUST an upgraded T-72. Look up shtora. Also, arena is often equipped onto different russian tanks. I would call the T-90 one of the most balanced tanks. Abrams and Leo2 are over armoured tanks. They have short operational ranges, and rely more on brute strength then a smaller profile. I believe that a T-90 could beat easily beat and abrams in temperate regions, however in desert it would probably lose.
If the chassis, turret and design are the same but the armor is different it is an upgraded tank. T-90 would definately lose in desert regions yes, but in temperate regions it would be hard to tell. The reason the T90 is not as good generally as the Abrams is because of the Abrams fire power, and the mobility of the turret. The Abrams, Leo2 and Chall2 rely on accuracy from far away ranges, and do not use brute strength.
Wrong, the t-90 has more fire power than the abrams tanks. Check out its loadout. It is however, lighter, which often means it has less amour. In a tank vs tank battle, the abrams does infact rely on being brute strength. Its longer range is only good in a defensive situation, as its operational range is signifcantly shorter than the t-90. The main gun on the T-90 does use a smaller round though, which means in total, that smaller main round and less overall armour are its downsides.
Oh wait, I thought the abrams had a bigger gun, I guess I was wrong. For some reason I was thinking 150mm. Its actually 120mm, and the T-90 is 125mm. The t-90 actually has a bigger main gun.
It does but it all depends on the type of rounds you use and how the velocity of the gun works. 5mm is not a big difference, and those rounds have only put dents in Abrams, while Abrams have put holes in T90's
I currently cannot find specifics on the rounds. The only thing I can find information on is the current abrams round and how its designed to work against kontakt5. And that the T-90's 125mm round is now upgraded as well. I have not read anything about how well they penetrate eachother. I've read that T-90 Kontakt5 can survive hits from APFSDS.
Well, studying AFV for about 5 years, most T90 lovers will brag on how the T90 shoots HEAT rounds (which is not a huge deal). The Abrams shoots specially made depleted uranium rounds designed to penetrate armor like a drill. And it also uses HEAT rounds. Don't get me wrong, the T90 is a good tank to modern standards and can match up with the M1A1, but it is no match for an M1A2 SEP, which in my opnion has some of the most accurate sights in the world.
Thats not what I was asking. Where did you get the information on penetration? And i've said nothing about heat rounds, heat rounds are designed for splash damage. As far as I know, the M1A2 has not been tested against a conventional army. The T-90 has been tested against Georgia, and has exceeded all expectations. The M1A1 has however been tested conventionaly, but that was a long time ago. Also, in combat sims the T-90 seems to do pretty well against a M1A2, so i disagree with "cant match"
Georgia is a small country with not too much of a military. Any AFV historian like me would tell you that the T90 is outdated compared to the Abrams, Leopard 2, and Challenger 2. I'm not saying it's a bad tank, but it would lose against a fight against an Abrams which could spot it much more quickly. It's surprising you think the T90 is just better because it has a bigger gun and weighs less. The Abrams is more mobile, and has a much more efficient gun
No, I think its better because its cheaper, has a bigger operational range, and has more offensive choices for a diverse set of situations. The T-90 is designed to destroy low flying aircraft as well as ground forces. Like I have said, the T-90 would lose in open areas, but in denser temperate regions it would live because it has a smaller profile. It would be harder for a T-90 to be spotted than an abrams. Abrams is not as mobile, that is simply a lie. Speed does not equal "mobile".
Of course speed is mobility! T90 is nearly as big as the Abrams, and it truly doesn't matter how much the ilunit costs if the country can buy it! The Abrams kill ratio in tank vs tanks battles is 1 to 3. The T90 sights are far off from the Abrams. In temperate regions it would probably lose too, mainly because the profile doesn't matter at all. That is what thermal digital sights are for.
Wow, now your just getting weird. Your changing your opinions and your making more stuff up. T-90 has a way smaller profile. T-90's sights are not far off from an abrams, but they are shorter range. This does not matter as much in temperate regions because of way smaller view distance. T-90 has a smaller heat signature. T-90's shtora can jam infrared and thermal targeting (SACLOS). So its basicaly useless.
You seem to know a lot about abrams tanks, but not much about russian systems. The T-90 is a cross country ambush tank. Designed for high mobility offensive warfare. Its required because Russia is a HUGE MOSTLY TEMPERATE country. This is why its fitted for that so well. Many have said that the T-90 is the most advanced temperate tank currently made. But as I have said before, in open areas its probably going to get killed. The T-90 will never sit in the middle of a field guarding a bunker.
I've been studying Tanks and Armored Fighting Vehicles for 5 years. I know a lot about Russian tanks, their systems became revolutionary during WWII, but died out during the cold war. The Abrams is built for temperate, winter, nuclear, forest, and Desert superiority, and so far, it's done pretty damn good.
it makes me really mad that thery're remaking it. The original was awesome, and you just can't find actors as amazing as Patrick Swayze, C Thomas Howel, and Charlie Sheen. its rediculous.
@modelbuildingTANKS, yeah it's possible but how often does that happen? i know! i can't stand him. i think he was deffinantly the wrong choice for that role.
Yes we've all figured out Chinese don't use AKs, they use Type 95s. I'm pretty sure Hollywood must have some lying around because I've seen them in other movies. Only reason they wouldn't use them is because "realistic is unrealistic" at least to the average moviegoer.
@YF681 Indeed, although from production photos that Ive seen, it appears the US vehicles are captured, but you are right on with the other things (not to mention that they're also using paintball/airsoft vests)
@YF681 Yeah, and for every 40 type-90's, the americans have one abrams to take them all out! Size doesn't matter all the time. If it's fast, mobile and powerful, how many you make doesn't matter. So you're basically saying one HMWWV can take on 3 BMPs?! With the experience I've had with that vehicle, it's probably one of the best in action ever! I just wouldn't make that comparison man!
The inference I was making is were are numerically and technically fucked. The Abrams in its current state is would and will get wiped off the map. I have a few ideas that could optimize it but its boned for now. T90>M1.
@YF681 I have seen combat videos of the Abrams. I've been studying tanks for years. You may be able to say the first Abrams is a a bad comparison to todays modern tanks, but the M1A2 SEP (System Enhancement package) is the most technologically advanced and powerful tank currently in production. In fact in Iraq during a sand storm an M1A1 shot one round while it was stuck in the mud that sliced through three Iraqi T-72's! The T-90 in fact is basically an upgraded T-72!
I know about the SEP and the T-90 is an improved T-72. Some of the Abrams problems are that it has a HUGE profile because of the ammo storage in the turret which needs to get moved to the engine compartment, while the engine needs to be replaced with a COTS diesel engine. The compartment on the turret can both be turned into a position for direct and indirect fire mortars for NLOS engagment. The other variant would be in the medium category with blowout compartment removed at a slope.
@YF681 The Abrams has a very low profile, that is a tiny bit wider than others. The only problem I've seen with them is once they get stuck in mud or something, they are really hard. But considering only 21where lost in the Iraq war, most due to friendly fire, and now all Iraqi T-72's are virtually gone, I would say It's a pretty damn good tank.
The reason there are no more Iraqi T-72s is because Saddam only had 150 monkey models, crewed by monkeys. We've actually lost a few hundred Abrams to catastrophic damage in Iraq and A-stan, but the heavy armor commanders go to extreme lengths to make it appear there has never been a combat loss. They've entirely recast hulls with identical serial numbers just to avoid logging a lost tank. Also in a stand up fight if Abrams so much as got strafed by a Hind it would be shredded as on the bottom.
@YF681 That's illegal. It's impossible to even afford to actually fully refurbish those tanks, and recast the hulls. That's unbelievable that they would have the tech to do that. The armor is restricted, and can only be dented by anti tank rounds. The only things to pierce the back where RPG rounds, and every tanks weak spot is in the back. I've been studying Armored Fighting vehicles for years, and there has never been proof commanders would do such a thing. Saddam had a lot more than 150 t72s
EXACTLY! They break the law to cover their reputation. I'm not talking about the TCs themselves I'm talking about the people in charge of armor branch. The US military is full of graft and corruption, you need to accept that. The people in charge do not have the little guy in mind. Look at the STRYKER a total POS, I disabled one with a 1 inch surgical blade. it was Combat ineffective with a grenade I could have made it a catastrophic kill and killed or wounded all inside if there were occupants.
Okay, first of all, it would be even stupider to do so, because if you did that, you would lose the tank eventually any way, and they'd eventually report a lost tank! Second, every tank is always inspected by the crew, and higher officers, corruption is not common in other words, and the crew could report to higher command to do so! Those tanks cost over a billion dollars bud! Each is so strategic in each war, a branch leader wouldn't risk his own job!
YF681 must be a fuckin mophead! Or another person who discraces the U.S and its military. its ok man, just let him do it and ignore him, we both know what he is 100% worng on about almost everything he is saying. did he say we lost about 100 M1A1 and A2's in the invasion of iraq?? Bullshit you know? lol
Overwhelming worked for the Soviet during WWII, 1,3 Billion Chinese can easily overwhelm the US^^.. Just sayin', and calling the t-90 "basically a upgraded t-72" is a vast simplification, the T-90s protection system is today top notch - passive and active. I'd say the Abrams and the T90 is quite up to pair with one another - Though the amounts of T90s currently in Service is way below the current amount of Abrams.... and the Chinese uses their own tanks^^
T90 has same chassis and such. Saying it's upgraded isn't bad. Because of the abrams gunning system and probably one of the most advanced sights today, the Abrams would win any T90 tank to tank fight. Also war is much different today. Numbers do not matter just because of the simple use of nuclear bombs. :) there are only one billion Chinese BTW.
well there is the type 56, I'm sure if the chinese mounted a full on invasion there would initially not be enough type 95's or 97's to go around, so they might have to equip some of their troops with old type 56's and what not, considering about 15 million were produced they probably have a whole lot of them in some warehouse somewhere 0_o.
I think you're right, its dark but the coloring looks about right. Still I think they should bring in special forces to handle the wolverines armed with the more modern equipment.
Oh god i hope they go balls first on this remake, not a dumbed down kid's movie just to get a better MPAA rating.
chikitabowow 1 month ago
LOL yeah it's a nickelodeon show, Spongebob is the Supreme Leader
MeierTV 1 month ago
all this bitching about history... who gives a fuck- we're you honestly alive back then? If you were, you have cool grandchildren to show you how this interweb thing works..I am just looking forward to seeing the movie (and how bad they destroyed the original)
If you disagree.. go fuck yourself.. How's THAT for a preemptive strike!
fistogarona 1 month ago
these actors move like fucking idiots, lame.....
timthom148 2 months ago
@Twisteddreamer78
Yes it was a Democracy that was being crushed under debt by the very banksters that are now crushing the whole world, funny how history repeats it self except this time it's really big!
moviematcanada 4 months ago
They can't find a publisher because they changed it from China to North Koreans.
FreeTh1nk3r 5 months ago
I wager that this movie will be a tremendous flop. N Korea can't even feed their own people, which is why they are fleeing to China (funny, China has an Illegal immigration problem too!). That coupled with likely under par vehicles, uniforms, weapons, destruction (I understand that 2000lb bomb shatters all windows within .5 mile)= low quality. More likely, U.S. will crumble as an economic power, splinter, and be torn apart by internal strife before someone intervenes under the UN flag to "help".
EnslavedAndOppressed 5 months ago 2
@EnslavedAndOppressed Don't underestimate an enemy, the North Korean soldiers are fanatics that will rip your jugular out with whatever teeth they have left. They are furious, resistant to all weather and condition and they can survive off of maggot rice longer than our soldiers..... Bitching cuz they didn't get a milkshake in their MRE
meanshein 2 months ago
@meanshein Yes, they are a threat, that must not be underestimated or considered of no consequence. I just see a very large, but outdated and under equipped army, and tactics that would cause mass casualties on each side.
I personally think that, major scale-back of US armed forces, more economic difficulties, a war in Pakistan and US default on national debt, Chinese-backed N Korean offensive to reclaim South K, followed by Chinese takeover of Taiwan to be more plausible. Then maybe invasion
EnslavedAndOppressed 2 months ago
They changed the invading forces to North Korean, so as not to upset the Chinese. We have already lost.......................
xcalibr33 5 months ago
They changed the invading forces to North Korean, so as not to upset the Chinese. We have already lost.......................
xcalibr33 5 months ago
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why dont use the machinegun？
wazzdc 5 months ago
who the fuck are they Koreans?
MaqAtaq 7 months ago
@MaqAtaq Look up the Korean war shithead and maybe go around and thank some vets cuz it's known as the forgotten war even though the US got their asses handed to them in the start the Canucks, Brits and Auzzies were there within weeks to back them up. Learn about history man and maybe you'll understand what these men went through
meanshein 2 months ago
Swayze was here...
kicknbazz1615 7 months ago
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USA is a republic
Lynnc83 7 months ago
chinese it should be iran or north korea
presto457 7 months ago
can someone link me to a REAL trailer of this
227titan 8 months ago
Is that the next installment to "TOMORROW, WHEN THE WAR BEGAN" cause thats a remake of red dawn and they are using Asians as the enemy in that one.
FilmGeek2000 8 months ago
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they replaced the chinese with north koreans.
Chutneybhai 9 months ago
that helmet looks so russian
Yvesyew 9 months ago
USA is a democracy dumb ass look it up
bobbyraejohnson 9 months ago
well this is antother movie people can ruin with a remake. just saw it yesterday loved it
ivantheterrible60 10 months ago
@Twisteddreamer78 Well if youre trying to say America is a Democracy it isn't. The USA is a Republic and yes there is a difference.
cwood4ever 10 months ago
@cwood4ever
Did you get that from Glenn Beck?
wadea912 8 months ago
@wadea912 No I got that from the Constitution, something you havent read
cwood4ever 8 months ago
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This Red Dawn movie just proves that American way of masturbation. Why? Not even the U.S army could have stopped the invasion, a few school kids defeat the entire army? Come on, do you have better way to jack off? Although the movie doesn't make any sense, but it does excite whole bunch of "patriotism". I don't mind it is either China or N.K invade the town, to me, it is just a joke to reveal who is masturbating themselves. Good work, Dan Bradley. You have successfully cured American Anorgasmy.
tsm6796 11 months ago
Chinese into N Koreans...ain't that something?
TheShinema 11 months ago
@TheShinema I suppose we have to stay current.. LOL. North Korea is strong enough to attack us? Are they even strong enough to attack anyone?
scaremengaviation 11 months ago
@scaremengaviation well the thing is....I believe it is not just North Korea...the story I believe will involve NK unifying with the south. The economy went bad in SK and US and SK gov't soon was taken control by socialists because of the horrible economy. Then like homefront, they join forces with Russia, SE countries, and maybe china...as soon as the oil supply is dwindling , they join forces to invade the US to get its resources. This is my possible back story.
TheShinema 11 months ago
I hear china bought the rights and wont let it release. You can't piss off the bank your know
It was supposed to be release multiple times already.
IronRangeSurvival 11 months ago
When is the goddamn trailers coming? I want to see the real one not the shitty ones made by fans....
termanedieter11 1 year ago 4
Okay no one answer my question yet.
I was at block buster, and i ask for red dawn the lady gave me an old verison of the movie red dawn. i said no mam the new movie red the remake of 2010, the lady gave me a look like i was crazy. She told me they never made the new movie red dawn remake. Look the girl made no effor on helping or i'm i thinking, the dvd the remake red dawn never came out in dvd? or if they had what the title of
the movie if it got change
HELP ME!!
CoolDemi303 1 year ago
@CoolDemi303 The remake comes out later this year...
Wolfmasterofshadows 1 year ago
welcome to detroit :P
cocaboca274 1 year ago
god, US is a threat to China. Not the other way around
wuyunchi 1 year ago
Why did'nt they use the 50 Cal.?????????
Europe85 1 year ago
why do the chinese have hummves last time i checked they used jeeps
onekillerFoRce 1 year ago
@onekillerFoRce That could the us millitary's,either that or the us resistance.
DillontehHAXer 1 year ago
@DillontehHAXer the soilders look chinese though and ther using the type 81
onekillerFoRce 1 year ago
@onekillerFoRce Ture..idk it may be part of a deception of how they got into the us or when they got there they just commenderd them?
DillontehHAXer 1 year ago
@DillontehHAXer or the director dosent know shit about the miitary
onekillerFoRce 1 year ago
@onekillerFoRce Hahah yhea that's allways a possibility
DillontehHAXer 1 year ago
@DillontehHAXer I pick the US MILITARY they can help us!
DaAznThug 8 months ago
is this in spokane washington?
emilyraye95 1 year ago
hollywood if u want to brainwash americans into believing the cold war is still on then go ahead. but atleast get the details right Chinese troops use QZB-95 bullpup assult rifles NOT ak-47 styled rifles.
obsidianstatue 1 year ago 2
@obsidianstatue QBZ-95 is the new weapon and the main 1 but the Type 56/81 are still in survice im pretty sure
Sakom 1 year ago
@obsidianstatue Hollywood fucked up so many details on these films. They probably don't even research the facts before making the film.
Noobssuckass300 1 year ago
Funny thing is that MGM is being sought after by a Chinese firm.
conworldus 1 year ago
I'm guessing that it will be released in 2011, thanks to MGM going bankrupt. Looks good though, with the Chinese and North Koreans.
mimeglen 1 year ago
@mimeglen yeah sort of like it was planned all along, now it comes with its own official movie!
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
china stopped this movie from happening
Bcasey11 1 year ago
@Bcasey11 i am chinese , but i want to say , fuck china . china is evil and cancer , trust me .
what you said is real ? china stopped this movie ? tell me more
zheng1985 1 year ago
@Bcasey11 I think they just wanted final cut. Red wins in the end maybe? >.>
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
chinese military with humvees.. hmm yea... this is worse than top gun using using f-5 tigers...
caonabismo 1 year ago
@caonabismo They Were Probably supposed to be stolen from the US military in their invasion
hijcmaddox1 1 year ago
@caonabismo lol Chinese Military has lots of Hmmwv CLONEs The "EQ2050" Looks Very much like the "Humvee" its Kinda easy for them to have emm since they are made there . On top of that we give military's around the world all kinds of equipment in the name of "Diplomacy "
Patriotsurvival 1 year ago
@Patriotsurvival Maybe they are planning on having the US humvees be captured by the Chinese/North Koreans. Assuming that Detroit was hit by Airborne forces, they wouldn't be supplied with a lot of tanks and heavy weapons. US Airborne units even have very few vehicles.
thehotshirtguy2008 11 months ago
I don't know why they made a Chinese invasion. It should've been North Korea, Iran and/or Syria. They are on the highest threat list, in my opinion.
Joelomite 1 year ago
@Joelomite because none of those countries could even get past our navy rofl.
zulok1337 1 year ago
Too bad MGM ran out of money and its on hold :(
EvilBadger4031 1 year ago
@5567729 The Chinese would totally not use any captured equipment. Instead, they would wait for equipment brought in from China? .....Chinese troops, numbering about 2.5 million, aren't all issued QBZ-03 or 95's. The mainstay issued rifles are still the AKM's. If they did invade, They would have to recruit hundreds of thousands if not millions of new troops to pull off an invasion of America. They would have to issue surplus Ak's.
whosyourdiddy 1 year ago
@5567729 lol that seems to be the case with most movies today.
MetalApocalypse999 1 year ago
I dont get it. why is there a red star on an american flag on an american humvee being driven by communist Chinese? my head hurts.
MetalApocalypse999 1 year ago
you cant remake a classic will you can but it wont be as good as the orginal never is
motleycrue24 1 year ago
what movie, this is just another day in detroit
socsco17 1 year ago 50
never would you jump out of a turret with a .50 cal machinegun in it. freaking hollywood.
oipolloi87 1 year ago
Wrong rifle..... they should do the shootings in Canada instead.....
Polyshot 1 year ago
Nice. They could nuke Detroit and it wouldn't matter. Maybe it would make it better.
SippinonMickeys 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 Democracy in a bad way. The first - third Reichs, Princes, Aristocracies, Monarchies, the Kaiser and weak and useless parliments gave way to the Weimar Republic. Mob rule brainwashing yes. I do agree with your points on gun ownership. protfl is a useful idiot. The 2nd Amendment has more to do with keeping the country safe FROM our own government than it does with invaders, 'indians', or to 'feel cool'. Germany's Democracy simply used the mob to legitimise bad policy.
SippinonMickeys 1 year ago
you happened to be in detroit on november 13 across the street from where they were filming? Thats fucking awesome!
m1grand70 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 with=wish*
protfl 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 there are no other people with guns if guns are not scattered allover. plus i doubt if you go to a mall you take a rifle with yourself, its a mistake, as lately you have many tyranny fighters who use such unconcerned people to earn a dozen of frags.
wheel? you are from ancient middle east? with you gave yourselves better education. ummm, yes, we have sportsmen from caucasus who are very good in fighting disciplines, but their intellectual level is comparable with yours.
protfl 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 but anyone with sane brain could always buy himself a hunting rifle, it never was a problem. but your problem is you need a gun when you dont need to protect yourself from anyone, you represent nation of paranoics and cowards.
protfl 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 you are ignorant, as according to your laws you need guns to organize militia to protect your 'free' state against agression or to massacre indians, but you for some reason think you have guns because you are cool, no you are not. you are an epic imbecile, not to say that if they have stopped hitler they'd turn commie, as they were the main power in germany before hitler compromised them.more than that we never gave up guns because we never had them in free possession.
protfl 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 you have guns because you are inferior, nobody attempted to invade your crappy continent for last 200 years, but you still have guns, to threaten animals in woods i bet. though if you use it to hunt and use animals you kill as free food, as you say, its alright.
protfl 1 year ago
@protfl umm, yes, besides navy you have the greatest brainwashing after what goebbels had, but you studied a lot from nazis, being good students.
protfl 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 the fact is you have good navy and live in other hemisphere protected by 2 oceans from all actual players. your free food will disappear at once when world declares war on you. you'd just die without import, as you dont know how to consume adequately, nothing is free in this world, but you are dumb to think food is. food is product of human labour, you cant be surrounded by free food except you are a farmer and its your own production, idiot.
protfl 1 year ago
@Twisteddreamer78 such naivette, you couldnt even survive if electricity is off. not to say burgerking is closed due to war.
protfl 1 year ago
If you check Red Chinese PLA military equipment on the Internet, you'll see they use vehicles that bear a strong outward resemblence to the American HMMWV. The PLA version appears to be 5/6ths the size of its American counterpart. The PLA soldiers today wear a new helmet that resembles the American kevlar helmet. Many foreign armies have adopted the American kevlar helmet or a helmet that resembles it. The Red Chinese paratroopers should be shown with bullpup QBZ-95 assault rifles.
jeffyoung60 1 year ago
Ok, I can live with the fact that PLA soldiers are using AK-47´s and not their regular QBZ-95 Rifles.
But did the producktion have too give the PLA soldiers Hummve´s.
Come on, it just look´s bad.
They shold have rebilt some Jeep´s or something.
NiklasFranGoteborg 1 year ago
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NiklasFranGoteborg 1 year ago
as if there wasn't already enough gun shots in detroit
ZeBlam 1 year ago
But the thing is, something like this could actually happen if these liberal assholes don't pipe down. It's racist? NO!
FalconKPD 1 year ago
@Rucksack1944 I agree with you 100%
FalconKPD 1 year ago
@Rucksack1944 it's not racist, it's just propaganda
HurfDurfAlive 1 year ago
damn! i loved that huge explosion at the ending! looks sooo real!
TheAfghanPride786 1 year ago
@Rucksack1944 No, that's what you assume. It's just that there are alot of ignorant and stupid people who will take this movie seriously and say "Omg, the Chinese are invading!!! Kill all Chinks!" Same would happen if it was any other country like Russia and France.
CamelBallZee 1 year ago
I think Detroit is the last city in American we Chinese would like to take over... Hell we won't invade it even if America pays us to do so.
Some people needs to stop smoking crack. And why is everybody okay with the word "chink", but not "nigger"?
conworldus 1 year ago
why would they pick a target so far from any supply lines the paratroopers could'nt last long with out heavy reinforcements? and that'sone long flight over would become very hostle airspace once aircraft would start leaving their assinged airspace,it would be more prodent to invade the west coast and capture a few ports th bring reinforcments in by sea
snakestomper 1 year ago
This movie will stir up alot of racism and hate...
CamelBallZee 1 year ago
chinks using humvees? why?
WeirdMrBilly 1 year ago
@WeirdMrBilly A lot of Chinese equipment is based off of ours.
itak365 1 year ago
@itak365 mhh
WeirdMrBilly 1 year ago
@itak365 and plus they aka stoled them from the military base here... why they also had humvees and it amazing movie making my friend dan live few blocks away from there,.
hooah002 1 year ago
@itak365 ever think the Chinese could have invaded one of our Military bases , and thats were they got our weapons . just a thought.
NickCherryster 1 year ago
@NickCherryster Maybe, but Chinese equipment is based off of ours much of the time. For example, the SQF2040 is literally copied from the Humvee, as is the Dongfeng Motors EQ2050 series.
itak365 1 year ago
@itak365 and they would have access to captured army reserve/ national guard equipment and if they did like the russians did in the cold war alot of the equipment would be NATO standardized to use captured stocks,my biggest complaint about the movie is it's set in a post 9/11 america and the chinese are using the same trick that the russians used in the original movie using civilian airliners to drop paratroopers
snakestomper 1 year ago
this movie is set to come out in november. the 24th I believe. Dont forget to vote befor you go see it :)
bullhunter6x6 1 year ago
are the chinese usong the type 5 sub-machine guns or are they using the type 56 or type 71 rifles? and i see that they took over some u.s army supplies using the humvee and all, it looks worth while i wouldn't mind go seeing it, does anyone know exactly when its coming out?
LordReaper117 1 year ago
@LordReaper117
China's Type 81 assault rifle is a Chinese improved version of AK-47. It is equally reliable as AK while almost as accurate as M16. However, these Type 81 assault rifles are no longer in use by the primary military. Only secondary reserves might use them. Chinese troops today use QBZ-95.
P.S. Chinese military really uses humvee style vehicles. I've seen photos before.
Vash6the6Stampede 1 year ago
LOVE LIVE USA
kioka2009 2 years ago 2
china's been through it all in their long life. economic issues, war etc.
nonconservative 2 years ago
100% Racist Hollywood propaganda. People need to stand up against the treat of Hollywood racism everyday.
nonconservative 2 years ago
Meh. It's not real I just hope people don't take it seriousley. No flame just I think it makes for a great movie. :)
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Looks like another small-budget remaking crap of one classic.
harrison28514 2 years ago
Funny that an Australian is the lead actor.
smartin04hero 2 years ago
Bullcrap. If China and US goes to war, any attack would utterly f*** up the planet's economy as China and US are the world's prominent economic centers. And even if they did anyway the US will be in an utter disadvantage compared to China by one of the greatest weapons in history - an "Economic Nuke", or a "debt bomb", as China is now the biggest shareholder of US debts. As soon as the US pisses them off they would dump them and wreck the US economy for good.
TheVoiceOfReason93 2 years ago
if china does drop a debt bomb it would also fuck up their economy as well as ours, but American has proven to be very resilient, (i.e.) great depression, china has not.
studmuffins2000 2 years ago
research the longevity of China
nonconservative 2 years ago
I quite sure the US can't stand fighting every sixth human being on the planet though^^ - Which the Chinese represent. ^^
k1lkenny 2 years ago
Germans lost to the Russians only because the US was already overwhelming them with industry. With the weapons we have today we don't rely fully on manpower and brute force. Automated bots and armored tanks do most of the harework today. Look up the MULE. That's what'll help fight all those Chinese (not meant as offensive)
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
American defence specialists analysed what would happened if WWIII would break out, they all calculated with the Soviets quickly overwhelming western Europe. And you seemed to misunderstood what I said, by overwhelming I mean by tanks, air planes etc (the t-55 was produced in numbers as high as 90.000, which is insane). If you wanna go there; The Abrams is old, and archaic. The Leopard2A5S Is currently the most technologically advanced tank in the world, but you wanna play "My daddy's stronger"?
k1lkenny 2 years ago
The leopard is in fact older than the abrams. Sure the Abrams is old, but so is the leo 2. The Leo has bigger fire power. The abrams is fast, and can see the enemy before the enemy sees it. You can't just say the Leo 2 is the most technologically advanced just because of a few advantages. By that logic the Chall 2 is the best just because it's made the furthest tank to tank kill, and has no battle or crew casualties. But the challenger hasn't seen enough action to even it out.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
The Leopard2A5S got the most modern communication and targeting systems in the world, you can't look at crudeness like "It's more heavily armed" etc, it's the proper mix of speed, range, firepower and advanced technology that rates a tank, however to be fair, the Leopard2A5S has never engaged in combat, though theoretically it is the best.
k1lkenny 2 years ago
The truth is it is more heavily armed, and as well as it's communications the Abrams has a fantastic digital sightings system that far surpasses the leo, making the Abrams far more digitally advanced. Many historians (including me will tell you this). It doesn't mean the Abrams is better, however it does mean the Abrams is more digitally advanced. This was proven when in a training exercise, and Abrams spotted and killed (infrared) several Canadian Leo II's before they could spot the Abrams
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Jesus man, theres at least 10 different versions of the Leopard 2, I specified the Leopard 2A5S (Strv122), you obviously have no idea about what tank this is!
k1lkenny 2 years ago
The leopard 2A56 is the newest tank. I'm not saying the Abrams is the best and the leopard is the worst. What I am saying is the Abrams currently holds the position of the most digitally and technologically advanced tank. It's not hard to admit. I've been an AFV historian for 5 years, so it's best not to argue. Of course I know what tank it is.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
I'm sorry then, It seemed like you were referring to the Leopard 2 as a general tank rather than the specific versions.
k1lkenny 2 years ago
That's fine. Just remember, I'm not saying the Abrams is the best (although it is my favorite), It simply is just somewhat more technologically advanced than the leopard. However, that can be disputed. The leopard 2A6, and 2A56 have a lot to offer technologically wise. The Abrams was based off the Leo, so I shouldn't have anything to trash talk about! :)
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Well I'm glad we could settle that in somewhat of a grown up manner, I guess it's more of a personal taste than anything, until the Strv122 and the Abrams have actually met in battle, which will be never^^
k1lkenny 2 years ago
Don't mention it man. Considering all Leopard users and the US are friends, those tanks combined can win any major conflict. :)
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Russian T-90 is best. Best cost to fire power ratio, and has furthest operational range. Armour is also classified.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
In reality it's an upgraded T-72. And that's not bad, but it's unfortaunetly not the best.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Its armour is classified, so its not JUST an upgraded T-72. Look up shtora. Also, arena is often equipped onto different russian tanks. I would call the T-90 one of the most balanced tanks. Abrams and Leo2 are over armoured tanks. They have short operational ranges, and rely more on brute strength then a smaller profile. I believe that a T-90 could beat easily beat and abrams in temperate regions, however in desert it would probably lose.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
If the chassis, turret and design are the same but the armor is different it is an upgraded tank. T-90 would definately lose in desert regions yes, but in temperate regions it would be hard to tell. The reason the T90 is not as good generally as the Abrams is because of the Abrams fire power, and the mobility of the turret. The Abrams, Leo2 and Chall2 rely on accuracy from far away ranges, and do not use brute strength.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Wrong, the t-90 has more fire power than the abrams tanks. Check out its loadout. It is however, lighter, which often means it has less amour. In a tank vs tank battle, the abrams does infact rely on being brute strength. Its longer range is only good in a defensive situation, as its operational range is signifcantly shorter than the t-90. The main gun on the T-90 does use a smaller round though, which means in total, that smaller main round and less overall armour are its downsides.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
Oh wait, I thought the abrams had a bigger gun, I guess I was wrong. For some reason I was thinking 150mm. Its actually 120mm, and the T-90 is 125mm. The t-90 actually has a bigger main gun.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
It does but it all depends on the type of rounds you use and how the velocity of the gun works. 5mm is not a big difference, and those rounds have only put dents in Abrams, while Abrams have put holes in T90's
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
I currently cannot find specifics on the rounds. The only thing I can find information on is the current abrams round and how its designed to work against kontakt5. And that the T-90's 125mm round is now upgraded as well. I have not read anything about how well they penetrate eachother. I've read that T-90 Kontakt5 can survive hits from APFSDS.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
Well, studying AFV for about 5 years, most T90 lovers will brag on how the T90 shoots HEAT rounds (which is not a huge deal). The Abrams shoots specially made depleted uranium rounds designed to penetrate armor like a drill. And it also uses HEAT rounds. Don't get me wrong, the T90 is a good tank to modern standards and can match up with the M1A1, but it is no match for an M1A2 SEP, which in my opnion has some of the most accurate sights in the world.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Thats not what I was asking. Where did you get the information on penetration? And i've said nothing about heat rounds, heat rounds are designed for splash damage. As far as I know, the M1A2 has not been tested against a conventional army. The T-90 has been tested against Georgia, and has exceeded all expectations. The M1A1 has however been tested conventionaly, but that was a long time ago. Also, in combat sims the T-90 seems to do pretty well against a M1A2, so i disagree with "cant match"
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
Georgia is a small country with not too much of a military. Any AFV historian like me would tell you that the T90 is outdated compared to the Abrams, Leopard 2, and Challenger 2. I'm not saying it's a bad tank, but it would lose against a fight against an Abrams which could spot it much more quickly. It's surprising you think the T90 is just better because it has a bigger gun and weighs less. The Abrams is more mobile, and has a much more efficient gun
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
No, I think its better because its cheaper, has a bigger operational range, and has more offensive choices for a diverse set of situations. The T-90 is designed to destroy low flying aircraft as well as ground forces. Like I have said, the T-90 would lose in open areas, but in denser temperate regions it would live because it has a smaller profile. It would be harder for a T-90 to be spotted than an abrams. Abrams is not as mobile, that is simply a lie. Speed does not equal "mobile".
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
Of course speed is mobility! T90 is nearly as big as the Abrams, and it truly doesn't matter how much the ilunit costs if the country can buy it! The Abrams kill ratio in tank vs tanks battles is 1 to 3. The T90 sights are far off from the Abrams. In temperate regions it would probably lose too, mainly because the profile doesn't matter at all. That is what thermal digital sights are for.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Wow, now your just getting weird. Your changing your opinions and your making more stuff up. T-90 has a way smaller profile. T-90's sights are not far off from an abrams, but they are shorter range. This does not matter as much in temperate regions because of way smaller view distance. T-90 has a smaller heat signature. T-90's shtora can jam infrared and thermal targeting (SACLOS). So its basicaly useless.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
You seem to know a lot about abrams tanks, but not much about russian systems. The T-90 is a cross country ambush tank. Designed for high mobility offensive warfare. Its required because Russia is a HUGE MOSTLY TEMPERATE country. This is why its fitted for that so well. Many have said that the T-90 is the most advanced temperate tank currently made. But as I have said before, in open areas its probably going to get killed. The T-90 will never sit in the middle of a field guarding a bunker.
PairoftheSocks 2 years ago
I've been studying Tanks and Armored Fighting Vehicles for 5 years. I know a lot about Russian tanks, their systems became revolutionary during WWII, but died out during the cold war. The Abrams is built for temperate, winter, nuclear, forest, and Desert superiority, and so far, it's done pretty damn good.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
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it makes me really mad that thery're remaking it. The original was awesome, and you just can't find actors as amazing as Patrick Swayze, C Thomas Howel, and Charlie Sheen. its rediculous.
Blissful1212 2 years ago
@Blissful1212 They might actaually do a good remake. It just makes me angry they're casting Josh Peck!
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
@modelbuildingTANKS, yeah it's possible but how often does that happen? i know! i can't stand him. i think he was deffinantly the wrong choice for that role.
Blissful1212 2 years ago
Yes we've all figured out Chinese don't use AKs, they use Type 95s. I'm pretty sure Hollywood must have some lying around because I've seen them in other movies. Only reason they wouldn't use them is because "realistic is unrealistic" at least to the average moviegoer.
BoomBoomSticks 2 years ago
They are also using a HMWWV, American camouflage, an obsolete steel vietnamese helmet and have no idea how to conduct themselves in a gunfight.
YF681 2 years ago
@YF681 Indeed, although from production photos that Ive seen, it appears the US vehicles are captured, but you are right on with the other things (not to mention that they're also using paintball/airsoft vests)
retrohead02 2 years ago
The Chinese don't need to use junk American vehicles for every HMWWV we have they have 3 BMPs and a battalion of Mech. infantry to go with them.
YF681 2 years ago
@YF681 Yeah, and for every 40 type-90's, the americans have one abrams to take them all out! Size doesn't matter all the time. If it's fast, mobile and powerful, how many you make doesn't matter. So you're basically saying one HMWWV can take on 3 BMPs?! With the experience I've had with that vehicle, it's probably one of the best in action ever! I just wouldn't make that comparison man!
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
The inference I was making is were are numerically and technically fucked. The Abrams in its current state is would and will get wiped off the map. I have a few ideas that could optimize it but its boned for now. T90>M1.
YF681 2 years ago
@YF681 I have seen combat videos of the Abrams. I've been studying tanks for years. You may be able to say the first Abrams is a a bad comparison to todays modern tanks, but the M1A2 SEP (System Enhancement package) is the most technologically advanced and powerful tank currently in production. In fact in Iraq during a sand storm an M1A1 shot one round while it was stuck in the mud that sliced through three Iraqi T-72's! The T-90 in fact is basically an upgraded T-72!
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
I know about the SEP and the T-90 is an improved T-72. Some of the Abrams problems are that it has a HUGE profile because of the ammo storage in the turret which needs to get moved to the engine compartment, while the engine needs to be replaced with a COTS diesel engine. The compartment on the turret can both be turned into a position for direct and indirect fire mortars for NLOS engagment. The other variant would be in the medium category with blowout compartment removed at a slope.
YF681 2 years ago
@YF681 The Abrams has a very low profile, that is a tiny bit wider than others. The only problem I've seen with them is once they get stuck in mud or something, they are really hard. But considering only 21where lost in the Iraq war, most due to friendly fire, and now all Iraqi T-72's are virtually gone, I would say It's a pretty damn good tank.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
The reason there are no more Iraqi T-72s is because Saddam only had 150 monkey models, crewed by monkeys. We've actually lost a few hundred Abrams to catastrophic damage in Iraq and A-stan, but the heavy armor commanders go to extreme lengths to make it appear there has never been a combat loss. They've entirely recast hulls with identical serial numbers just to avoid logging a lost tank. Also in a stand up fight if Abrams so much as got strafed by a Hind it would be shredded as on the bottom.
YF681 2 years ago
@YF681 That's illegal. It's impossible to even afford to actually fully refurbish those tanks, and recast the hulls. That's unbelievable that they would have the tech to do that. The armor is restricted, and can only be dented by anti tank rounds. The only things to pierce the back where RPG rounds, and every tanks weak spot is in the back. I've been studying Armored Fighting vehicles for years, and there has never been proof commanders would do such a thing. Saddam had a lot more than 150 t72s
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
EXACTLY! They break the law to cover their reputation. I'm not talking about the TCs themselves I'm talking about the people in charge of armor branch. The US military is full of graft and corruption, you need to accept that. The people in charge do not have the little guy in mind. Look at the STRYKER a total POS, I disabled one with a 1 inch surgical blade. it was Combat ineffective with a grenade I could have made it a catastrophic kill and killed or wounded all inside if there were occupants.
YF681 2 years ago
Okay, first of all, it would be even stupider to do so, because if you did that, you would lose the tank eventually any way, and they'd eventually report a lost tank! Second, every tank is always inspected by the crew, and higher officers, corruption is not common in other words, and the crew could report to higher command to do so! Those tanks cost over a billion dollars bud! Each is so strategic in each war, a branch leader wouldn't risk his own job!
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
YF681 must be a fuckin mophead! Or another person who discraces the U.S and its military. its ok man, just let him do it and ignore him, we both know what he is 100% worng on about almost everything he is saying. did he say we lost about 100 M1A1 and A2's in the invasion of iraq?? Bullshit you know? lol
74miller 2 years ago
yeah, I know man. He serves in the air force too. But yeah, what he says is just damn bullshit.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Did we even have that many Abrams serving in the invasion of Irqaq back in 03? lol
RSprtn117 2 years ago
um, no we didnt. lol, but whatever makes you sleep at night.
74miller 2 years ago
Overwhelming worked for the Soviet during WWII, 1,3 Billion Chinese can easily overwhelm the US^^.. Just sayin', and calling the t-90 "basically a upgraded t-72" is a vast simplification, the T-90s protection system is today top notch - passive and active. I'd say the Abrams and the T90 is quite up to pair with one another - Though the amounts of T90s currently in Service is way below the current amount of Abrams.... and the Chinese uses their own tanks^^
k1lkenny 2 years ago
T90 has same chassis and such. Saying it's upgraded isn't bad. Because of the abrams gunning system and probably one of the most advanced sights today, the Abrams would win any T90 tank to tank fight. Also war is much different today. Numbers do not matter just because of the simple use of nuclear bombs. :) there are only one billion Chinese BTW.
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Actually, the Chinese use a copy of the HMWWV, legally of course.
98RamMagnum 2 years ago
well there is the type 56, I'm sure if the chinese mounted a full on invasion there would initially not be enough type 95's or 97's to go around, so they might have to equip some of their troops with old type 56's and what not, considering about 15 million were produced they probably have a whole lot of them in some warehouse somewhere 0_o.
slipstream25 2 years ago
type 81 to be more precise for the film I think.
tsuyoshi15 2 years ago
Type 81's are still in use so that probably is what the 'chinese' are using in this scene.
tsuyoshi15 2 years ago
I think you're right, its dark but the coloring looks about right. Still I think they should bring in special forces to handle the wolverines armed with the more modern equipment.
BoomBoomSticks 2 years ago
Looks like an interesting movie.
Chinese troops doesn't use AK47s.
BlloodRayyven 2 years ago
Type 81's (look up wikipedia)
tsuyoshi15 2 years ago
I know that, but now Chinese troops use QBZ95, not Type 81.
BlloodRayyven 2 years ago