How to build a bicycle wheel - Part 3.2 36 Spoke truing

[fashionbagdealer]

lol @ bike professional, no such thing...anyone with half a brain an on drugs can do this

[abubaca]

perfect man tons of help!!thanx a lot!!!nice job

[runrandelz]

this vid helps a lot. thanx....

[Triplegack]

If you want to get technical with the sound you could use a tuning fork.

[tokostoni]

Thank You for these very complete video of repairing/tuning of spokes.

[PiranhaKeeper8]

im trying to get some sweet purple rims for my bike.

should i spent 80$ for an alienation set all done for me

or spend 60$ for the rim and the spokes separate.

p.s im a n00b at this stuff so i wont be good at making m7 tire :/

[siming6]

Just built my first set of wheels. Thanks!

[dangerfeild4Life]

Very helpful. The whole series. Thanks so much!

[capefearpirate]

those rims do not look rim brake friendly.. Nor do the hubs look disc brake friendly.. hmm

[wisily]

@capefearpirate they might as well be fixie wheels, though I'm not sure about the hub being fixed or freewheel

[OldShatterhand1985]

tune our guitar now :) goood job thanks

[Slingdash]

Thanks for posting these truly inspirational and fascinating videos. They've encouraged me to have a go at building my own wheels. Brilliant stuff!! :-)

[camlpg]

Hey, at the 5:00 mark you say it takes knowledge and experience and I would like to say that when doing this truing procedure one should really have a precision truing stand. In this vid you do not get into radially truing(rim roundness) which is just as important as lateral truing. What about dishing? What about spoke tension using a spoke tensiometer??

With no experience I replaced a racing roadbike front and rear rim using Sheldon Brown website.

Also did a MTB rim replacement too.

[ssendamrefeer420]

Watched the entire series from building to truing.... Excellent!!!! I have two older 12 speeds... A really nice panasonic with lots of alloy bought at the Goodwill for 25$ US with two flats... bought two presta valve tubes and it was back on the road... the second is an old Raleigh that a neighbor gave me for free..

Both now need some rim truing and ill practice what i learned here on a 26" alloy MB rim i have sitting on my deck to get the hang of it... THANKS For the Tutorial..

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[AVERAGEINTELL]

outstand effort guys! thanks for taking the time to make this -I feel ready to hit my first rim

[mulljacob]

Thanks for the video, it helped me out a lot. I would send you money but I'm buying a truing stand and dish tool instead, sorry. (:

[craftsman35mph]

about how long does this whole process take beginning to end??? starting completely from scratch?????

[dragonworld2008]

i done this when i was a kid.when parts was cheaper for bikes.but i forgot all of the steps.you take.that was years a go.

[patrout]

Love your videos mate, you're very informative and entertaining!

[benzomelon]

fire your camerman

[SamPrice321]

your videos have helped me so much man, THANKYOUU! (:

[adamnyk]

Great videos! Easy to follow, great teacher, and saved me some dollars. Just one question. Do you always want to keep tightening to adjust them or should you loosten up the opposite side after a point?

[shuttie92]

@adamnyk loosen the other side after a point

[adamnyk]

Great videos! Easy to follow, great teacher, and saved me some dollars

[SkeletonPedler]

@adamnyk I'll true your wheel for less than the cost of the spoke wrench.

[95bradders95]

thanks for this mini series, really helped me out, i subscribed,

[newcops]

please men stop singing ... I beg !

[santogumbii]

great video... and great male camel toe... i enjoyed that the most...

[stevensusername]

I have been told that after you have tightened the spokes they stick outwards through the nippels. don't you have these loose end cut off? and then afterwards place the ribbon over it? otherwise there is a possibility you'll get punctures in your innertube.

nice work... thumbs up

[thfreakinacage]

@stevensusername

Shouldn't have anything sticking through, if you have and its only one or two, they're probably too tight, but luckily haven't snapped, if its many of them (or if you had a replacement spoke) they're most likely slightly too long.

[94Traxxas]

you guys are a good help and funny as hell

[gaturroleon]

=) Good. i like ^^

[bryan3550]

Sweet stuff! ...but what about truing the upsey-downsey-out-of roundy that I scored from my perfect lefty-righty second-hand rim?

[123HURST]

The numbering on your videos is confusing (1, 2.1, 2.2, 3.1, 3.2), why not simply 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? Also about your singing, don't give up your day job.

[Quirkification]

@123HURST because its part 2 of part 2 and part 2 of part 3. totally makes sense actually.

[kramkejo]

thanks for the vid dude...at least you have explained well on how to assemble the spokes on the rim...thanks to the tip too on how to adjust and center the rim i'll just have to take care of the "jump" on the rim, you know, the outward and inward movement of the rim

[stroppy7]

So when you are assembling your wheel, you only want to tighten the spokes to get it straight, or you can loosen on them as well?

[veryperson]

Put on some music, drink some beer.. shit doesn't have to be boring.

[Invisit]

Just dont drink too much cause then you wont be able to true your wheel.

[ageorgeify]

i dont see a wanabee..?hmm..wierd..must just be u..this dude rocks..if i had a million dollars..id give him half..or maybe a truing stand..for this badass step by step vid. the best how-to on youtube in my opinion

[Berialavrenti]

i want to punch this justin timberlake wannabe right in the face!

[kyzeSKAAXX]

You could run a fault tip or marker and position it facing the hub, where ever it wobbles leave little mark

[willyum236]

your patience is amazing

[bruk36]

Jim, my wheel was damaged today and if you are girl i'll definitely kiss you 4 this. this way take bear and have Good Christmas & Happy New Year...

[terrapin52]

Good job on these videos.  Pretty funny, too.

[pokermon919]

What type of lacing did you do for this wheel? Is it 3 cross?

[mazatenangolindo]

Thanks Jim, mi rim looks kind of of crazy but is ok meanwhile i save money for a new one :,)

[kbae0530]

stupid method

[snowcdh]

Lastly... This is for FRONT wheels and flip-flop track wheels only! You need to explain dishing a wheel for rear wheels. If you lace a rear hub to center, you will run into huge problems.

[snowcdh]

Just watched the series and saw some flaws. 1) Whats the lacing pattern (3 cross)? what are you gonna tell the guys when trying to find the right spoke length? every pattern needs different lengths. 2) when truing, you need to compensate for whatever you do on one side of the wheel for the other so you don't run into wheel hop. 3) When tightening nipples to final tension, over-turn by a 1/4 turn, then loosen it back a 1/4. The spokes twist under that tension and can come out of true when ridden

[Mentorcase]

I watched this series and kept yelling at the monitor and thought why doesn't any one else see the errors.

You hit the nail on the head here.

I agree.

[ftpaddict]

Loving the comments. Wish you guys made more videos.

[oivahoor]

thx! Just finished my wheel

[msscoventry]

Very useful - I have to build a wheel this week.

[liutenghou]

how do you prevent truing the whole wheel so that it's concave on one side? It would still seem straight on the stand right?

[cassandra5322]

that is one true wheel.

[joke423]

what about radial truing? Do you need to worry about it?

[M1K3R0LPH]

cheers matey, nice and funny too

[SaviourSole]

If you build a rear wheel, do you build it with the hub off-center for the cogs to fit?

[Masteryoda57]

NO!

[dempsey13champ]

rather go out n buy a new un coz tht looks hard Lol

[policeman1313]

lol that voice at the end scared the crap out of me.

[josethedoood]

Yes VV

[nerdstason]

Do you still need to do all that trueing if the wheels brand new? Not sure about it, sorry! Kinda wanna build a set of white MTX, and i can't find a wheel set already built so it looks like i'm gonna have to build a set myself, any help would be appriciated.

Thanks

[felixthecat656]

i would use paper mache

[thebiketube]

Haha, good stuff that paper mache

[felixthecat656]

mod rock?

[mccclarren]

@felixthecat656 i tightened my spolks but the ones closest to the hub are sticking up whats up with that

[mccclarren]

@felixthecat656 sorry not the hub the valve

[tehKoreanKiDavid]

how do you build a four spoke bike wheel, sort of like the Xentis Mark 1 but cheap($500) to make

[thebiketube]

Play-do

[peelincaps]

spaghetti..

[inivonwini]

@tehKoreanKiDavid use poop!

[raymondfrankmarkin]

what if Im makeing my rim for a 20" bmx bike? should i get a professonal to do it for me?

[arsenalfalco]

if you dont know how to do it i would. it took me like 5 wheel builds to get it down were i have it laced rite and trued perfectly.i wouldnt suggest doing it with good supplies if you dont know how to.

[raymondfrankmarkin]

well ive trued my friends bent wheels before does that count? lol

[arsenalfalco]

if you know how to lace it too yea that works

[raymondfrankmarkin]

well, his vids kinda tell you how to lace :P

[arsenalfalco]

yea but its still confusing the first time you try =p

[pufatek24bmx]

can i use normal screw driver to do all this stuff?. or i need to buy special key?

[rustypirat3]

you'l need a spoke key

[raymondfrankmarkin]

spoke key just makes it easier you dont

NEED it :\

[raymondfrankmarkin]

I use a normal screwdriver -.- that other guy was just being a dick and trying to make you go out and get something you dont need :)

[PachyRSX]

i have a question.

about the tension of the spokes at the 7min mark, he said that not all the spokes will be exactly tone tight. would it be better for the rim if the spokes are all tight exactly the same using the "hearing the tone of the spokes method" ?

[Block5000]

The optimum would be a wheel with the same tension in all spokes, but that doesn't work in reality. The rim, the spokes and nipples can't be machined with zero tolerance.

To true the wheel some spokes are pulled tighter, because they have to compensate these little inaccuracies,

[Giulifi]

you're a pro man, thanks a lot.

[JoshH12321]

great vid, its helped me alot

[qrew1]

hey there, just wondering if there's anything different about 32 spoke rims.

thanks

[WolfsRage]

No, stay's the same ;)

[chompychomps]

I am not sure it will be appreciated, but:

If the spoke wrench is used above the brake pads, there is no need to rotate the rim each time; you can see the rim moving over, in regards to the lateral runout. For the radial runout, I used a pair of needle-nose locking pliers (vice-grips) for years before I had a stand lightly clamped to the seat stay (shop rag for protection).

[cgobbi]

I've watched two truing videos and no one has adressed the rim being centred on the hub (up and down trueness). I learned truing wheels by myself and I want to know if there is a faster way of fixing this because it takes a hell of a long time

[Fubetuck]

Anything different about doing this for a 32 hole rim/hub combination?

[gutzu265]

the patern from part 2 will be diffrent

[m4rtyd]

thanks for this lesson, I want to try building my first wheel, and your tips have given me the push to GO for it.....

[lexichronicle]

great video, thanks! reminds me a lot of setting up a floating bridge guitar - tweak, test, tweak, test, tweak... {30 minutes later), tweak...

it's a shame that to get it horizontally true, you have to have uneven spoke tensions, which must also change the load bearing and concentricity of the rim

[wittaz13]

your a legend thankyou very very much :D:D

[andrewafc]

thank you very much for this keep me from paying £40 for a neww front wheel

[AirToui]

do you know of a site where i can purchase an actual wheel truer stand in canada?

i can't seem to find one in town

[AirToui]

after some hard searching i found one.

thens for the video, helped make my bike rideable for now

[onetruefish]

Thanks, brother. You've made a daunting task seem almost, well, undaunting. Wheel-truing is as frustrating as it is satisfying. Building a wheel would seem to be great background knowledge for anybody to have. I look forward to my first. Thanks again!

[somegeek]

Damn nice job on the content and editing. Makes me feel better about attempting a wheel build.

[russiainc]

You're wheel is not round (yet you tend to ignore that fact). This should be fixed first. You also seem to have no idea what you are doing other than just randomly tightening the spokes. You're making it look harder than it really is.

[thebiketube]

Thanks for that constructive feedback!!!

[DKF22]

@russiainc could you bother and make a video of how to do it properly?

NO! so STFU BROTHA!

[pkerriga]

@russiainc Apparently 'you are wheel' according to this guy, Jim. I personally don't listen to people who don't understand contractions. Anyways, thanks a lot for these videos because they're very informative and now I can begin building wheels at the bike centre I volunteer at.

[tbdhockey]

thanks champ. really helpful. also should should seriously consider using that voice in something. the music... very moving.

[emptyvid]

oh dear im not looking forward to doing this.... haha but you just saved me 50 bucks. thank you so much. i love your googles. :D

[thebiketube]

That would be a nipple er... i mean Spoke Wrench. It is just so much fun to say nipple.

[aznk113r]

wat is that silver thingy that u use 2 turn the nipples lol i said nipple lol

[Johnstanyon]

Thanks for these videos. They are super useful.

[obscureluzername]

You guys are asshats. Ladyboy!? Get bent.

[thebiketube]

I am thoroughly confused, what, pray tell, is an asshat? Thanks for the comment!

[thebiketube]

If you are a ladyboy, we profusely apologize, no disrespect intended.

[obscureluzername]

I am a ladyboy (or transsexual to use the politically correct term) like approximately 1 in 1000 births worldwide, I am not cisgendered (look it up). Forget the attention seekers on Jerry Springer and tranny prostitutes and other unfortunate transfolk, many of us, including myself, are respectable people and many are sick of persecution. If you're sincere about the apology then thanks :) If not then grow up!

[CaptainCropper]

It's a hat you wear on your ass, AKA Donkey Cap or Horse Helmet.

Thanks for the vid by the way, on the back of this I actually trued my wheel after having failed traumatically about 20 years ago and going right off the idea. It's really very easy when you know how. :o)

[bleedright]

this reminds me of "The Word" from the colbert report

[cxdeluxe]

Great set of videos -- makes things a whole lot less intimidating -- Thank you! Quality stuff.

On the topic of dishing:

Is it possible to re-dish a road wheel for single speed (or fix cog) without having to tear the entire wheel apart?

[antiaverage1]

Yes, it's possible, but it's much easier just to use spacers to replace the unneeded cogs. Sheldon Brown shows how to do this on his site (Google it).

[lozinski819]

i wanna party with these dudes

[modmom]

Thanks for the videos. I think I'm going to try to build some 32 spoke wheels for racing. I know I can true wheels well, just never built any before... I'm going to try to go light. I'll be using them for criteriums (cat. 2). Wish me luck.

I take it that the 32 threading process is essentially the same at the 36 spoke process? Is it still over, over, under?

Thanks again,

A.Bolt

[thebiketube]

32 and 36 are threaded the same. Good luck with the crit.

[lolorenzo63]

Hello Thanks for you video that helped me to build my own front wheels... in France! Great! I followed you and managed to do the same with a 48 holes rim. But do you have some advice for the special line up of the rear wheels? Regards

[thebiketube]

For now what you need to know is that the spoke lengths for each side of the hub are different (shorter on the cluster side) the spokes on the cluster side will end of being slightly tighter than the other side due to the lesser angle. by looking at a similar wheel to the one you're building you should be able to get an idea of the dish, or positioning of the hub. Hopefully that gives you a start, but like I said we should have a video up soon. See you on the road.

[ClownFight]

Thanks for doing this video. I watched the whole set even though I think I only needed the over, over, under, skip one lesson, but I'll find out over the next week just how ready I am to build those wheels for my project bike.

I've had lots of machine built wheels over the years but I got a front wheel built by a master wheel builder using the best parts and tools and it was a revelation. You cannot beat masterbuilt wheels. It's true, it's an art.

[cyfacrider2008]

Took me back to the days of Wilbur and Orville, pioneers in the age of do it to it self sufficiency. I'm in the process of building, trying to build, a front wheel, I've got a chorus hub and an open pro rim. I'm not sure why- as I can go down to Helens or performance here in LA and buy a perfectly nice ready to ride wheel for under 200, but anyway, the wheelbuilding video project was really useful and pretty great by youtube standards. I took notes.

CJG/Los Angeles