@Yungmed15 big z was old and came off the bench, mo williams was made into a 1 time allstar by lebron and after lebron left he was the guy that helped the cavs to the worst record, delonte came off the bench, and antwan jamison came late and never produced like he shouldv.
First off to compare them is stupid both are great players but if you really want a legitimate argument. The thing that defines a good to great to a superstar is how extraordinary they are when it means the most and at that point there is a clear victor and that is Dwayne Wade. When things mattered the most he took his game to another level to win a championship. LeBron and Melo both is same draft classes had legit chances but didn't come through in the end period. Stop posting stats to argue
First off to compare them is stupid both are great players but if you really want a legitimate argument. The thing that defines a good to great to a superstar is how extraordinary they are when it means the most and at that point there is a clear victor and that is Dwayne Wade. When things mattered the most he took his game to another level to win a championship. LeBron and Melo both is same draft classes had legit chances but didn't come through in the end period. Stop posting stats to argue
utilize his abilities. His minutes were too limited. I also though brown's decision the lineup throughout the game was terrible. I don't agree that ilgauskas was a bench player because he could've easily matched up with garnett, make him take long range jumpers or make him drive and send a player to come double.
been the rumor of delonte west and lebron's mom that made him quit on cleveland in games 4 and 5. the fact is, Cleveland is just as every much bit fake and 2face as lebron is (if you consider him one for leaving cleveland). With that said I don't think lebron is fake at all, the decision he made was a competitive one because it allowed him to become a contender instead of a pretender
The heat team is wade's cause he's the one with the ring and IF the heat had a legit center and point guard that team would win all the time thats why they struggle against above 500. teams with the best point guards.
@ferrarimike23 Well Lebron is good but Wade was there first so i say its Wade's team. I will say that Lebron can out score Wade but hey Wade was still there first.
@Sportsfan4life88 yea, i agree with you. but i really wished lebron would have cared more about his legacy than winning rings. cause what good is winning rings if you do it in someone elses team? i mean i think lebron is better than wade because of his athletic ability, size, and ability to make the team better and score. but miami will always be wade's team
what would you say about other greats HOF or potential HOF who did the same? Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Ray Allen, KG, etc.. Surely KG would've never won a ring in minnesota nor RAllen in seattle. I think everyone puts lebron in a class of "MJ" or the next best "kobe" cause of his popularity. I'm a huge lebron fan but his decision to leave his "team" and wanting to win championships by no means should hurt his legacy
@ceohtt dude theres a big difference. all the players that you named were either not as talented as lebron, or they switched teams once they passed their prime. lebron has to at least give it more time and try to win with a supporting cast. lebron is full capable of being one of the greatest SF of all time. he was only 25. mj won first ring at 27. it did hurt his legacy. his numbers go down, and miami wont win a championship without a better support cast and big men. miami is wade's team.
the point is, they switched teams, it doesn't matter when they do it. If I was lerbon i would've left too because i rather be in my prime when I have a chance to win.why would it hurt lebron's legacy because he changed teams? Everyone knows hes not the next michael jordan because no one ever will be. Stop comparing the man to the all time great and let him build upon his own legacy. the fact of the matter in sports when its all said and done is how many rings a player's got.
@ceohtt im just saying this because i was a lebron fan and i really wanted to see him becoming one of the all time greatest. of course no one will be mj, but lebron was so close. he was so athletic and talented he could have done it himself. 1 or 2 rings in cleveland is more meaningful than 5 or more in miami and i doubt they can do that. and you said the matter is how many rings someone has? well karl malone, dirk, charles barkley, and many others has not won a ring. so is kg better than them?
i see your points man but i have to disagree on the fact he could've done it himself as you have said. cleveland tried man, they brought in shaq, jamison, parker who is underrated for his 3pt shot, moon, etc.. man. the fact that Cleveland still couldn't match up with an aging team such as bostom who has aging stars in allen, KG, pierce is an embarrassment to Lebron and fans like me. Who knows, it could've been the coach's fault for not changing up the match ups or it coulda
@ceohtt dude i think lebron could win a ring himself with a supporting cast. first off, the coaching was huge, because the way cleveland executed offense was terrible and when ur versing a boston defense you cant have a hero offense where lebron has the ball and 4 team mates just watch. and lebron just entered his prime so everything he did so far, he did it with his young still unexperienced years. and lebron didn't show huge effort in the boston series you have to admit that.
@northcarolinaname and to clarify on the city of cleveland and how they are fake - seriously man did u watch lebron's return to cleveland? the most hatred i've ever seen from people all because he left them sports wise? It's not like he did somethin illegal like running a dogfight (on offense intended to vick), while the pregame introduction and throughout the game he endured nothing but boo's and profanity. loud synchronize chants of "akrn hates u".
@ceohtt and i just want to clarify the fact that i am NOT a cleveland fan at all. im a player fan and i liked cleveland because of lebron and i believed he was the greatest player in the world right now and not cause of the bandwagon. i dont like how cleveland fans are acting, and i also wish lebron would have dont things a little differently. im saying this because i am a fan of lebron and only wish for him to be the best he can be, and being with wade and bosh and not being in control,
@northcarolinaname but yeah i enjoy debating with u bro, no doubt. I still hope ur a lebron fan because he truly is the best basketball player in the world today despite what he did to cleveland and the fact that he doesn't have rings yet. I could argue that kobe wouldn't win 1 ring if he didnt have shaq those 3 years and gasol/bynum the last 2 years
@ceohtt yeah man i enjoyed debating with you too. im glad you arent one of those dumb fans that just cuss at everything you say and start getting mad. and i agree with you about kobe v lebron. yes kobe can make tough shots and he's still the best closer, but thats the only thing he has on lebron. lebron beats kobe at every other category, and if lebron had the supporting cast tht kobe did, he could definately win a title. i mean kobe only has 2 finals mvp. the amount of rings dosnt matter.
@ceohtt the thing tht matters is the amount of finals mvp and the supporting cast you did it with. but yeah lebron is the best player in the world today and thts the only reason tht im a little disappointed with his move, because miami has been wade's team for 7 years and it just seems like lebron could do so much more having great role players around him and maybe one decent star like a boozer level.
@ceohtt like he could in cleveland, bothers me and it limits his opportunity to become the leader he is. and once again to you're other question, yes cleveland didnt do much to keep lebron and that ticks me off. and kobe's lakers couldnt get deep in the playoffs, but lebron was much different. i think lebron helps the team more than kobe did cause kobe shot the ball way too much and tried to force wins but lebron is better. 2 years in row of 60+ wins? i think it was a matter of time before
@ceohtt lebron won. and if kobe did leave, than he would have been seen as a quitter and not have the legacy he has now, but i think the cleveland organization has alot of fault because superstars always want to win and they all think about leaving if they arent winning and the organization usually brings in key players, mj got scottie, the lakers had magic and kareem and someone else i forgot, kobe got bynum and gasol in the same summer. cleveland did nothing. however if cleveland
@northcarolinaname lebron found out about some rumors that delonte and his mom were sexually together, i mean if something like that happened to u, i wouldn't blame lebron for quitting either because for someone on ur team to do that is a low blow.
@northcarolinaname and lastly, if i recalled correctly, Kobe wanted a trade out of LA as well back in 06-07 or the summer of that year because his team was TERRIBLE. this coming from the BEST ACTIVE bball player in the world at the time. Why? because his team sucked, and he couldn't get past the first round of the playoffs let alone struggle to even make it. but LA's GM/PRESIDENT unlike cleveland made some nice acquisitions. My question - What if kobe had left? how would he be perceived???
@ceohtt wait nvm, but also if kobe left he wouldnt have been as hated as lebron is now, because first of all he told LA that he would leave if they didnt do something. lebron didnt warn cleveland and therefore they werent as pressured to make a move quick and didnt prepare to rebuild if they did loose their player. also lebron said it on national television. i dont think its a big deal but many ppl do. also kobe wouldnt have joined 2 superstars especially 1 top 3 player in his team.
@northcarolinaname yeah bro, you got some great points and i agree. i'm also a lebron fan, and have been ever since i followed him since he was a senior in highschool. and i do agree that lebron could win a ring by himself but with stacked teams like boston, LA, magics, there was no way lebron could've won even if they added another superstar to cleveland like Bosh. I also agree that their offense was bad but their defense was even worse. I wonder why Mike Brown never put Ilgauskas on garnett
@northcarolinaname because jamison couldn't physically matched up strength or hieght wise and garnett was just abusing him in the post up match. although that was not the sole reason why they lost. they lost because they didn't have an offensive strategy like u said with lebron having the ball and 4 other guys just watching. Whereas boston was abusing their pick and rolls with rondo/garnett, rondo/pierce. Screens for shooters like allen etc.. Even though cleveland had shaq, they failed to
@ceohtt yeah i know, man the stacked teams really made it tough for lebron but still even by himself, with a bunch of average supporting cast he was able to hold his ground. i will always be a lebrons fan because no matter what he does, its his talent and skill that makes him so fun to watch. and yeah mike brown made some mistakes and i didnt like how they gave shaq the ball in the post so much. shaq is there for the presence and for dwight and occasionaly dunk the ball. thts about it.
@ceohtt and i didnt like how rondo was able to just chug the ball to garnett in the paint cause jamison was too small. i really think cleveland could have done alot better and possibly maybe even won the championship if they exectued offense better and put better matchups cause playoffs are all about matchups and everyone except for lebron was a mismatch for boston. ppl say coaching dosnt effect much but mike brown is a huge part in clevelands loss.
@northcarolinaname to your point about quitting on cleveland and how he handled his summer transition. Yeah it was wrong that he didn't tell cleveland and insulted them by going on National television to make his decision but like he said, he did it to raise money for boys n girls club. His intentions were good but the consequences as a result were terrible. however, i can reward him for his good heart intentions. but he didn't really quit on cleveland til game 4 when speculation was that
@ceohtt and about the national television thing, i doubt he did it for the soul purpose of the children, but i dont see anything negative about it either. i mean obviously his decision was one of the biggest in sports history, but the only thing tht i can feel clevelands pain is tht if they knew lebron was leaving, they could have made some kind of deal to get a decent replacement for him but yet they were dumb to rely on lebrons return and not make any moves.
@ceohtt joining another team after their prime is reasonable because they did all they could and now at that point in their careers they cant do it themselves, and they need help. yes i know no one can do it themselves and they need a supporting cast and thts why i think lebrons so under rated for those back to back 60+ wins seasons with the support he had compared to kobes supporting cast.
however I do agree that Miami needs a true all-star center and a better bench to win a championship. I also believe that LeBron's chances in cleveland would have been better off than in Miami because of the chemistry that they had. Another route lebron could've taken was to Chi-town because the bulls would have (Lebron, Rose, Noah, Boozer) 4 all stars center and a decent bench in (Gibson, Korver, Either Brewer or Price, I always get them mixed up)
Outside Bron and Wade both these teams sucked when it came playoff time. Niether one was more of a contender than Boston Orlando and LA. Orlando destroyed Cleveland because of its size and bad matchups between the guards.
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@NBA1529 agreed, lebron just has that explosion when he goes for the dunk, wade is just fast. Lebron just has that never gives up on a play idea all the time
i wish lebron would have shook carmelo's hand after they ended that streak they were on it was a good game and could have went anyway he need to work on his sportmans ship lol but he good
D-wade is a little quicker then james imo only by like a .040 or some close shit like that all around they are the top 3 best scoring players in the nba right along with kobe right now
I think stats are actually is legit evidence. I mean lebron does have god given atheltics and a basketball body, but give him credit, he has worked hard. Stats dont say everything about a player, but seriously averaging 28ppg, 7 rpg, 8 apg, 1.6 spg, 1 blk, shooting 50% this season shouldnt be over looked by no means. Also if you took lebron off the cavs they would be a scrub team. Same with d wade with the heat, but the cavs are front runners with basically no other superstar. except mo.
People need to stop comparing Wade and Lebron. Lebron doesn't have to work near as hard as Wade does for points. Wade has to use finesse and skill whilst Lebron can just abuse isolation and use his big size and speed for an easy dunk. Lets see how good Lebron would be at Wade's size.
@xxxhottie123 you're retarded. that's like saying shaq's not that good let's see how good he would be if he was Amare's size. You can't control how tall you are or how big you are, but you control how skilled you are. And to say Lebron doesn't use skill just says you don't know anything about basketball. you get zero points. sit down child
@xxxhottie123 lol youre an idiot...yeah and vice versa lets see how good wade would be at lebrons size...lebron weighs fuckin 250 yet is the quickest player on the floor...lebron obviously toys with the defense and doesnt pick it up until its time...if you watched any lebron game against any team you would know that...even watching this vid and the highlights you would see how the cavs were down by 10 until lebron decided to takeover....wade puts his 100 all the damn time on the other hand...
@xxxhottie123 how about people liek you stop comparing lebron to kobe cuz kobe will embarres lebron and if lebron is sooooo good then why did he come and run to d wades team?
@xxxhottie123 point is .. he has that size.. so why wouldnt he use it?!
thats like saying, lets see how many boards KG would get if he was 5 inches shorter, or let see how good shaq wouldve been without so much strength in the early 2000s...
point is, lebron has that size and speed, so he uses it to his advantage ...
@xxxhottie123 i understand what you saying but i disagree......i mean basically what you sayin is.....is that lebron can score easily because of his athleticsm and size.....but d wade doesnt have to work harder then lebron....he`s more clutch...and he`s not small......he only 4 inches smaller......but he 6ft 4......so both are sick....lebron just a bit better....but d-wade is more clutch...so really..both sick!
i mean this is wade's best season of his career and lebron had an off year compared to previous years. if u think wade should have won mvp this year then lebron should have 3 because he's had better seasons than this and put up better numbers than wade
well your pretty stupid for that. he put up record breaking numbers in the playoffs man. he almost outscored his team in the orlando series. not to mention that besides lebron the cavs shot under 40% in that series. cleveland did have a better team last year but lebron made them look better than they really are. his team didnt' show up for him when it mattered. plus kobe had better talent around him and cavs still had the best record.
now if u call wade's number insane (30,5,7) then u probably haven't been watching lebron for the past few years. he is the only player since oscar robinson to average at least 26, 7, 7 his whole career. so ljb does what u call an insane since for wade on the regular. don't get me wrong wade is a great player and is there in the top 3 or 4 but 1 and 2 go to lebron and kobe respectively. the numbers don't lie. i've filled this page with all sorts of stats. can't argue statistics man.
the sport is more than just numbers...so yes you can argue statistics
you're probably some weird no life that spends too much time looking up numbers, so I won't bring up stats because you'll get on my nerves.
ignore the numbers and look at their games, the only thing Lebron really has over Wade is size, if they were the same size this probably wouldn't even be a debate
ok it literally takes 5 secs to pull up their stats. its called the internet your using it right now. u can't even compare the two because lebron is literally unstoppable and almost unguardable. i mean 70% of the head coaches and gms in the league think lebron is the best player followed by kobe. lebron passes, rebounds, scores, and can carry a team for a whole series. like what he did in detriot the year they went to the finals. so your only defense is size. thats weak. jordan 6'6 = best in nba
yeah see you just took what I said and flipped it,
and no it doesn't take 5 secs to pull up stats, the fact that you even look up stats during debates like this is weak.
look at all you just said, he's unstoppable and unguardable(same thing by the way) but because of his size, imagine trying to stop someone who's what 6'8 280 or 300 maybe idk running with guard speed, give Wade that size he becomes just as unstoppable, especially since he has a greater skill set
Wade carried HIS miami team to the finals and averaged better # than anyone in the history of the finals, that performance is listed the greatest of all time
how did he carry them to the finals. check the stats he had the flu during the eastern conference finals and averaged less the 25 in the first and second round. he didn't show up until the 3rd game of the finals. plus shaq carried to the finals
@3dwayne3wade yes but he had alonzo mourning and shaq to back him up. he had a great supporting cast. lebron led his group of bench level players to the finals in 2007
@northcarolinaname dwade did carry his team shaq was hurt....he only averagd 15 points i think bu it is somewhere in the teens....wade average 35 POINTS in the FINALS.....alonzo didnt show up every night ....Wade had 7 plus boards.....and they started off 0-2 in the FINALS
@bmatthews3 but dwade had more help than lebron did in 2007. and the playoffs are all about matchups. one player alone cannot carry a team to the finals. the greatest of all time MJ couldn't do it. so unless wade's the greatest basketball player the world has ever seen, then i doubt that. its either the mavericks weren't tough, or dwade had enough help. I think after many nba playoffs, we can see that one great player no matter how good, can carry a team. kobe couldnt do it without gasol.
@northcarolinaname everyone left and the celtics became a big 3 lakers got pau now its like u need a good big and we didnt have that for years......now they re a big 3
@bmatthews3 so are you saying that if there werent the celtics and the lakers, dwade could carry his team to the finals? he could beat the orlando magic, the cleveland cavaliers, atlanta hawks, spurs, mavericks, OKC, by himself? look man i know wade is a great player and i like to put him as top 5 SG of all time but all im saying is that lebron is better than him. lebron is top 3 SF of all time.
@northcarolinaname nope im saying if all the teams where not so big nd if wade had a DECENT big man then maybe wade could carr his team to easter confrence finals..
@bmatthews3 you see i dont believe in any player carrying his team to anything. basketball is a team sport and yes its fun to watch a superstar dominate but they cant do that to carry their team all the way to the finals. thats just too much to overcome. why does wade need a decent big men if he's gonna carry them? no if dwade gets a decent big man, then it will be him and the big man and also the contribution of everyone as a role. no one can carry a team to win a ring and whoever does,
@northcarolinaname Im pretty sure Dwyane Wade carried the HEAT to a championshp back in 06. Watch the footage, check the stats. He had one of the greatest Finals performances of all time, if not the greatest! He averaged around 35 points a game along with 8 rebounds per game. He single handedly brought the heat back from an 0-2 deficit (which no team in nba history had ever previously done). It boggles my mind that people never seem to acknowledge that.
@fatmomma91 look he had one of the greatest finals performances ever, but if he could really carry the team, why couldnt he carry them to more championships? why did they have a 20 win season? he had help in miami. he had shaq who could still put up decent double doubles and alonzo mourning who is probably one of the greatest players that have played in the miami heat organization. Dwade has helped the heat more than any other player, but he had alot of help that isnt given credit
@muffinman18 but what about when he wasnt injured. if apparently ppl say that wade carried heat to the finals and won it, then why couldnt he do that again? why in 2009 could he not get away from the first round against hawks? why in 2010 could he not carry the team against celtics? cause he didnt have any help. but obviously he had the help to win in 2006. thats all im saying., ppl need to stop saying wade carried the team the whole way. yes he was amazing, but he wasnt everything.
@bmatthews3 will be the greatest of all time. but thats why im saying lebron is such a fantastic player. not only did he carry cleveland for 7 years but he made his pathetic supporting cast look alot better. of course though he couldnt win a ring because he had to carry them.
@bmatthews3 so there was something about the team that helped dwade. i mean if dwade can just carry a team to the finals and win, then why couldnt he do it the following years?
I feel you... but lebron didnt choose his size and he is also a better passer 2.... dont get me wrong though dwade a monster though i just like lebrons game better... but its a lose lose debate cuz no one is gonna change their opinion
@bkzfinestz18 chill dude his team lost by 6 points, it wasn't a massive difference in points, just d wade had more people able to score, where as lebron had to depend on mo williams more often. if anything dwade had more help, its not like its a blow out.
@bkzfinestz18 do you know what balance scoring means??...do you see at the end the stat sheet...how 3 other players besides wade were in double figures....meaning they scored over 10 points and how only 2 other players on the cavs scored above 10 points
@bkzfinestz18 again i dont know what youre trying to argue...but its not even a debate...jus shut the fuck up before you start talking basketball blasphemy...wade has been owned by lebron time after time...and is no where near lebron on the PER...thats the anchor in any debate when regarding individual players...besides wade even with all the opportunity to score as much as he wants still has never avgd. more ppg in a single season then lebron...jus shut the fuck up before you dare say it..shhhh
@kingjamessolja wooo before you let your trap talk bullshit wade led the leauge in scoring uhh lets see a season ago? so yea you sound like a dickhead one...two wade has a championship lebron uhh none... you sound like an asshole so before you take the scrotum out your mouth think..you dumbass
@bkzfinestz18 oh god..LOL...youre an idiot...oh and my bad i forogt wade got a scoring title cuz lebron just doesnt care to lead the league in scoring every year...its not important to him....wade barely scored 30 a game...thing with wade is...he goes 100....lebron doesnt...he doesnt need too...hes that good....and wade has a ring? lol yeah ala shaq idiot...right after shaq left the heat went 15 and 60 something...thats like the nets of last season lol...lebron never did that
@kingjamessolja your a ignorant person OMG if you know the game of basketball you would realize that lebron had way more help then wade...so you saying that because of shaq wade got that ring? well hold on there buddy lebron had shaq too and antwan jamison and what happened? second round exit jackass lebron doesnt need to go 100 you right but thats because he has a better team so if you would shut your trap and analyze basketball you would realize what im trying to say...
@bkzfinestz18 lebron got to the 2nd round the year before without an over the hill 400lb shaq as well as without antawn jamison...and no lebron doesnt need to go 100% cuz lebrons 90% is still above everybody elses 100% u dumbfuck....theres no way lebron had a better team...if wade being on the heat had a 15-60 something season after shaq left...once lebron made the playoffs they just got better and better...y are we even comparing? lebron is so much better than wade...not even a debate
@kingjamessolja oo and one more thing lebron going to the finals and getting swept?...something wade didnt do he actually got the job done 36ppg asshole
@bkzfinestz18 so before shaq got him to the finals and won it for him like he did kobe youre telling me that wade carried a shit team to the finals like lebron did? lol...its like youre proving my point for me...thank you idiot...youre so ignorant you ignored that fact and didnt realize you just shot yourself in the foot as usual
@kingjamessolja if you can see that wade averaged 36 ppg you tell me who carried the team more? are you that stupid? you mad cause when shaq went to cleveland they aint go nowhere? lol o well nigga lebron shoulda been more of a team player n stop taking 30 shots a game
i hate it when people say Lebron is not clutch at last minute situation. Sure he might not have a lot of game winners, but in the 4th quarter, he gets the stuff done, willing his team to a run.
wade got a ring. lebron doesn't. Wade needed shaq to do it and now lebron has him. Let's see if lebron can do it. ( i bet he can't cause orlando's gonna kill them again).
dude shaq aint worth ANYTHING now. He is old and lazy. Phoeniz regrets trading shawn marion and marcus banks for him. Why do you think they traded him so quickly?
And now they are together on the same team, to fuck shit up in the National Basketball Association.
ImmaAidan 1 day ago
Battle of the Gods! Lol
YungFlyHandsome718 2 months ago
if lebron not showin hes clutch den what is this then u tell me
mrtheking25 7 months ago
Notice LeBron had 6 turnovers and D-Wade had 7 steals lol
IzzyKush1 7 months ago
@lardo276 They lost Big Z, Mo williams, Delonte West, and Antawn Jamison. You guys act like lebron won 66 games by himself which is a goddamn lie.
Yungmed15 8 months ago
@Yungmed15 big z was old and came off the bench, mo williams was made into a 1 time allstar by lebron and after lebron left he was the guy that helped the cavs to the worst record, delonte came off the bench, and antwan jamison came late and never produced like he shouldv.
johara145 8 months ago
2:19
That's when Lebron decided to go to miami
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interesao90 8 months ago
Leborn james will get a ring with heat.
pantherspride18 11 months ago 21
@pantherspride18 if someone wins it for him
96infinitii30 8 months ago
@pantherspride18 ha
speranzayaya 7 months ago
@pantherspride18 to bad he only had 75 cents.... if only he had 1 more quarter
911goathead 7 months ago
@pantherspride18 lol nice try
StupidFatFag 7 months ago
@pantherspride18 THANK YOU FOR CLEARING IT UP. its nice to see the top rated comment actually be a true statement. =)
xClickMeNowx 7 months ago
@pantherspride18 Where's LeBron's ring?
DBZartist559 5 months ago
I saw lebron yelling while his mid air dunk " IM GOING TO MIAMI BEACH "
TheMoparDrvr 11 months ago
Celtics have pavlovic and o'neal from in this video
Pavlovich: turnover leading to dunk
O'Neal: Posterized
its a good thing both are coming off the bench
celticjdavis 11 months ago
PROOF dat the heat is not go win 1 championship but not2 but not3 but none at all..... hahahaha they got beat by CAVZ
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First off to compare them is stupid both are great players but if you really want a legitimate argument. The thing that defines a good to great to a superstar is how extraordinary they are when it means the most and at that point there is a clear victor and that is Dwayne Wade. When things mattered the most he took his game to another level to win a championship. LeBron and Melo both is same draft classes had legit chances but didn't come through in the end period. Stop posting stats to argue
ClanP0W 11 months ago
First off to compare them is stupid both are great players but if you really want a legitimate argument. The thing that defines a good to great to a superstar is how extraordinary they are when it means the most and at that point there is a clear victor and that is Dwayne Wade. When things mattered the most he took his game to another level to win a championship. LeBron and Melo both is same draft classes had legit chances but didn't come through in the end period. Stop posting stats to argue
ClanP0W 11 months ago
Damn :45 slick play
ZachJamesFriend 11 months ago
am i the only one who noticed dwade had 7 steals? his numbers that game were unbelieveable
GSBLbballer313 11 months ago
who would of thought that today...
TheFilipinoBoxer 1 year ago
proof that the cavs was all lebron... without him theyre in last place
lardo276 1 year ago 45
@lardo276 they shouldve renamed the team the cleveland lebrons
KingMathers72 1 year ago
@lardo276 but mo wiliams left so did big Z
MrGilbertrocks13 11 months ago
@MrGilbertrocks13 baron and mo are equal in skill and Z was old, plus they were already in last when mo left
lardo276 10 months ago
Im gonna miss showdowns like this....
Xjordanary 1 year ago
even though the Heat didnt win, Dwyane Wade out did Lebron
BabyDwayneWade3 1 year ago
James=MVP winner
Wade=MVP caliber (my pick for MVP 2008/2009)
Matchup James vs Wade = legendary.
Staalstraal 1 year ago
@Staalstraal cool...to get to see a mvp matchup between players within the same team...nice!!!
obate 1 year ago
uhm, is this an attempt to appear witty? If so, it failed.
Staalstraal 1 year ago
utilize his abilities. His minutes were too limited. I also though brown's decision the lineup throughout the game was terrible. I don't agree that ilgauskas was a bench player because he could've easily matched up with garnett, make him take long range jumpers or make him drive and send a player to come double.
ceohtt 1 year ago
way to leave Lebron...
caseyjones336 1 year ago
been the rumor of delonte west and lebron's mom that made him quit on cleveland in games 4 and 5. the fact is, Cleveland is just as every much bit fake and 2face as lebron is (if you consider him one for leaving cleveland). With that said I don't think lebron is fake at all, the decision he made was a competitive one because it allowed him to become a contender instead of a pretender
ceohtt 1 year ago
DAMN 7 fuckin STEALS???
YashRamisetty 1 year ago
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its not fair that Lebron is 6'11, buff beyond proportion, and can shoot from outside the arc like a shooting guard.
joneshankyjones 1 year ago
its not fair that Lebron is 6'11, buff beyond proportion, and can shoot from outside the arc like a point guard.
joneshankyjones 1 year ago
lebron TORCHED the cavs a few nights ago!
razzle9438 1 year ago
The heat team is wade's cause he's the one with the ring and IF the heat had a legit center and point guard that team would win all the time thats why they struggle against above 500. teams with the best point guards.
Salm0nlikethefish 1 year ago
Miami is Lebrons team
And after a year it'll be hands down
ferrarimike23 1 year ago
@ferrarimike23 Well Lebron is good but Wade was there first so i say its Wade's team. I will say that Lebron can out score Wade but hey Wade was still there first.
1800peace 1 year ago
Lebron went to the heat cuz he wanted to win rings and cuz he has the choice to do so. So shut up.
Sportsfan4life88 1 year ago
@Sportsfan4life88 SHUT UP
2pacisthebest90 1 year ago
@Sportsfan4life88 he ain't winning no rings with the heat.
hawaiibodyboarderz 1 year ago
@Sportsfan4life88 yea, i agree with you. but i really wished lebron would have cared more about his legacy than winning rings. cause what good is winning rings if you do it in someone elses team? i mean i think lebron is better than wade because of his athletic ability, size, and ability to make the team better and score. but miami will always be wade's team
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname
what would you say about other greats HOF or potential HOF who did the same? Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Ray Allen, KG, etc.. Surely KG would've never won a ring in minnesota nor RAllen in seattle. I think everyone puts lebron in a class of "MJ" or the next best "kobe" cause of his popularity. I'm a huge lebron fan but his decision to leave his "team" and wanting to win championships by no means should hurt his legacy
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt dude theres a big difference. all the players that you named were either not as talented as lebron, or they switched teams once they passed their prime. lebron has to at least give it more time and try to win with a supporting cast. lebron is full capable of being one of the greatest SF of all time. he was only 25. mj won first ring at 27. it did hurt his legacy. his numbers go down, and miami wont win a championship without a better support cast and big men. miami is wade's team.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname
the point is, they switched teams, it doesn't matter when they do it. If I was lerbon i would've left too because i rather be in my prime when I have a chance to win.why would it hurt lebron's legacy because he changed teams? Everyone knows hes not the next michael jordan because no one ever will be. Stop comparing the man to the all time great and let him build upon his own legacy. the fact of the matter in sports when its all said and done is how many rings a player's got.
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt im just saying this because i was a lebron fan and i really wanted to see him becoming one of the all time greatest. of course no one will be mj, but lebron was so close. he was so athletic and talented he could have done it himself. 1 or 2 rings in cleveland is more meaningful than 5 or more in miami and i doubt they can do that. and you said the matter is how many rings someone has? well karl malone, dirk, charles barkley, and many others has not won a ring. so is kg better than them?
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname
i see your points man but i have to disagree on the fact he could've done it himself as you have said. cleveland tried man, they brought in shaq, jamison, parker who is underrated for his 3pt shot, moon, etc.. man. the fact that Cleveland still couldn't match up with an aging team such as bostom who has aging stars in allen, KG, pierce is an embarrassment to Lebron and fans like me. Who knows, it could've been the coach's fault for not changing up the match ups or it coulda
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt dude i think lebron could win a ring himself with a supporting cast. first off, the coaching was huge, because the way cleveland executed offense was terrible and when ur versing a boston defense you cant have a hero offense where lebron has the ball and 4 team mates just watch. and lebron just entered his prime so everything he did so far, he did it with his young still unexperienced years. and lebron didn't show huge effort in the boston series you have to admit that.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname and to clarify on the city of cleveland and how they are fake - seriously man did u watch lebron's return to cleveland? the most hatred i've ever seen from people all because he left them sports wise? It's not like he did somethin illegal like running a dogfight (on offense intended to vick), while the pregame introduction and throughout the game he endured nothing but boo's and profanity. loud synchronize chants of "akrn hates u".
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt and i just want to clarify the fact that i am NOT a cleveland fan at all. im a player fan and i liked cleveland because of lebron and i believed he was the greatest player in the world right now and not cause of the bandwagon. i dont like how cleveland fans are acting, and i also wish lebron would have dont things a little differently. im saying this because i am a fan of lebron and only wish for him to be the best he can be, and being with wade and bosh and not being in control,
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname but yeah i enjoy debating with u bro, no doubt. I still hope ur a lebron fan because he truly is the best basketball player in the world today despite what he did to cleveland and the fact that he doesn't have rings yet. I could argue that kobe wouldn't win 1 ring if he didnt have shaq those 3 years and gasol/bynum the last 2 years
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt yeah man i enjoyed debating with you too. im glad you arent one of those dumb fans that just cuss at everything you say and start getting mad. and i agree with you about kobe v lebron. yes kobe can make tough shots and he's still the best closer, but thats the only thing he has on lebron. lebron beats kobe at every other category, and if lebron had the supporting cast tht kobe did, he could definately win a title. i mean kobe only has 2 finals mvp. the amount of rings dosnt matter.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@ceohtt the thing tht matters is the amount of finals mvp and the supporting cast you did it with. but yeah lebron is the best player in the world today and thts the only reason tht im a little disappointed with his move, because miami has been wade's team for 7 years and it just seems like lebron could do so much more having great role players around him and maybe one decent star like a boozer level.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@ceohtt like he could in cleveland, bothers me and it limits his opportunity to become the leader he is. and once again to you're other question, yes cleveland didnt do much to keep lebron and that ticks me off. and kobe's lakers couldnt get deep in the playoffs, but lebron was much different. i think lebron helps the team more than kobe did cause kobe shot the ball way too much and tried to force wins but lebron is better. 2 years in row of 60+ wins? i think it was a matter of time before
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@ceohtt lebron won. and if kobe did leave, than he would have been seen as a quitter and not have the legacy he has now, but i think the cleveland organization has alot of fault because superstars always want to win and they all think about leaving if they arent winning and the organization usually brings in key players, mj got scottie, the lakers had magic and kareem and someone else i forgot, kobe got bynum and gasol in the same summer. cleveland did nothing. however if cleveland
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname lebron found out about some rumors that delonte and his mom were sexually together, i mean if something like that happened to u, i wouldn't blame lebron for quitting either because for someone on ur team to do that is a low blow.
ceohtt 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname and lastly, if i recalled correctly, Kobe wanted a trade out of LA as well back in 06-07 or the summer of that year because his team was TERRIBLE. this coming from the BEST ACTIVE bball player in the world at the time. Why? because his team sucked, and he couldn't get past the first round of the playoffs let alone struggle to even make it. but LA's GM/PRESIDENT unlike cleveland made some nice acquisitions. My question - What if kobe had left? how would he be perceived???
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt wait nvm, but also if kobe left he wouldnt have been as hated as lebron is now, because first of all he told LA that he would leave if they didnt do something. lebron didnt warn cleveland and therefore they werent as pressured to make a move quick and didnt prepare to rebuild if they did loose their player. also lebron said it on national television. i dont think its a big deal but many ppl do. also kobe wouldnt have joined 2 superstars especially 1 top 3 player in his team.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname yeah bro, you got some great points and i agree. i'm also a lebron fan, and have been ever since i followed him since he was a senior in highschool. and i do agree that lebron could win a ring by himself but with stacked teams like boston, LA, magics, there was no way lebron could've won even if they added another superstar to cleveland like Bosh. I also agree that their offense was bad but their defense was even worse. I wonder why Mike Brown never put Ilgauskas on garnett
ceohtt 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname because jamison couldn't physically matched up strength or hieght wise and garnett was just abusing him in the post up match. although that was not the sole reason why they lost. they lost because they didn't have an offensive strategy like u said with lebron having the ball and 4 other guys just watching. Whereas boston was abusing their pick and rolls with rondo/garnett, rondo/pierce. Screens for shooters like allen etc.. Even though cleveland had shaq, they failed to
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt yeah i know, man the stacked teams really made it tough for lebron but still even by himself, with a bunch of average supporting cast he was able to hold his ground. i will always be a lebrons fan because no matter what he does, its his talent and skill that makes him so fun to watch. and yeah mike brown made some mistakes and i didnt like how they gave shaq the ball in the post so much. shaq is there for the presence and for dwight and occasionaly dunk the ball. thts about it.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@ceohtt and i didnt like how rondo was able to just chug the ball to garnett in the paint cause jamison was too small. i really think cleveland could have done alot better and possibly maybe even won the championship if they exectued offense better and put better matchups cause playoffs are all about matchups and everyone except for lebron was a mismatch for boston. ppl say coaching dosnt effect much but mike brown is a huge part in clevelands loss.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname to your point about quitting on cleveland and how he handled his summer transition. Yeah it was wrong that he didn't tell cleveland and insulted them by going on National television to make his decision but like he said, he did it to raise money for boys n girls club. His intentions were good but the consequences as a result were terrible. however, i can reward him for his good heart intentions. but he didn't really quit on cleveland til game 4 when speculation was that
ceohtt 1 year ago
@ceohtt and about the national television thing, i doubt he did it for the soul purpose of the children, but i dont see anything negative about it either. i mean obviously his decision was one of the biggest in sports history, but the only thing tht i can feel clevelands pain is tht if they knew lebron was leaving, they could have made some kind of deal to get a decent replacement for him but yet they were dumb to rely on lebrons return and not make any moves.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@ceohtt joining another team after their prime is reasonable because they did all they could and now at that point in their careers they cant do it themselves, and they need help. yes i know no one can do it themselves and they need a supporting cast and thts why i think lebrons so under rated for those back to back 60+ wins seasons with the support he had compared to kobes supporting cast.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname
however I do agree that Miami needs a true all-star center and a better bench to win a championship. I also believe that LeBron's chances in cleveland would have been better off than in Miami because of the chemistry that they had. Another route lebron could've taken was to Chi-town because the bulls would have (Lebron, Rose, Noah, Boozer) 4 all stars center and a decent bench in (Gibson, Korver, Either Brewer or Price, I always get them mixed up)
ceohtt 1 year ago
WADE SHOULD HAVE DEFINITELY WON MVP THAT SEASON
Dunkmaster3333 1 year ago
Outside Bron and Wade both these teams sucked when it came playoff time. Niether one was more of a contender than Boston Orlando and LA. Orlando destroyed Cleveland because of its size and bad matchups between the guards.
kingovharts 1 year ago
7 steals??? WOWWWW
martin789789 1 year ago
7 steals ..???? Are you fucking kidding me..???
theanonymousphil413 1 year ago
miami heat baby
Solidkillax24 1 year ago
1 point difference and yet wade got 7 steals, 9 assists with lebron having 6 turnovers... you tell me who played better
iamdadodo 1 year ago
Very nice block by Dwade
FeeltheVibe0 1 year ago
lmfao 2:17 lebrons thinking " ehhh ahh fuck lemme jus ahh GET THE FUCK OFF ME" fak.
PlaidSoxs 1 year ago
Fucking 7 steals.. You say Lebron had no help??
Look at the stat sheet, mo williams had 30 points 7 asts 7 rebs.
He has tons of help, D wade on the other hand was the only player over 20 points..
And he had 7 fucking steals. 7!!!
p00rguy 1 year ago
Wade almost had a quadruple-double with 41 pts, 7 rebs, 9 asts, and 7 stls.
JoeBaylor2013 1 year ago
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3haterz 1 year ago
lebron runs faster
wade moves quicker
rolandroiroi 1 year ago 18
@rolandroiroi Lebron Stronger but Wade is Faster..
Dithzify 1 year ago
the media is crying that LeBron left Cleveland.
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Harvey1358 1 year ago
the both on the same time now...but kobe still topss em .....lolzz kobe is kobe ..u cant do anything abt it...
nomitata 1 year ago
No more games like this anymore. They're on the same team ;_;
Mystline18 1 year ago
n they on the same team guys!!!!
2101986chevy 1 year ago
yeah fuck Kobe. Its all about Dwade and LBJ.
TheyCallMeAce17 1 year ago
Lebrons quicker then Wade from one end of the court to the other
Wade has good acceleration but lebrons topspeed is higher
Why do you think he gets all those chase down blocks?
ferrarimike23 1 year ago
@ferrarimike23 Lebron is not "Quicker" he may have more speed but he's far from "Quicker" then wade.
NBA1529 1 year ago
@NBA1529 agreed, lebron just has that explosion when he goes for the dunk, wade is just fast. Lebron just has that never gives up on a play idea all the time
Helitack47 1 year ago
Lebrons better
And give wade the hight and he wouldn't move aswell
That's why lebrons diff when people are that big they can't move good but lebron can
ferrarimike23 1 year ago
lebron is real good. but give dwyane the height and i think wade is overall better.
zaxos 1 year ago
i wish lebron would have shook carmelo's hand after they ended that streak they were on it was a good game and could have went anyway he need to work on his sportmans ship lol but he good
lbpmrb 1 year ago
D-wade is a little quicker then james imo only by like a .040 or some close shit like that all around they are the top 3 best scoring players in the nba right along with kobe right now
lbpmrb 2 years ago
@lbpmrb NBA's top 3 scorers right now are..
LeBron James tied with Kevin durant with 29.7 points per game and Carmelo Anthony with 28.9 ppgs
rambox2222 1 year ago
@rambox2222 o well thx for the correction that kevin durant dude is a beast so is melo
lbpmrb 1 year ago
I think stats are actually is legit evidence. I mean lebron does have god given atheltics and a basketball body, but give him credit, he has worked hard. Stats dont say everything about a player, but seriously averaging 28ppg, 7 rpg, 8 apg, 1.6 spg, 1 blk, shooting 50% this season shouldnt be over looked by no means. Also if you took lebron off the cavs they would be a scrub team. Same with d wade with the heat, but the cavs are front runners with basically no other superstar. except mo.
llcrazyaznll 2 years ago
nobody is quicker than FLASH !!
MiamiHEAT2302 2 years ago
dwyan wade is quicker lebron I THINK is a better defender and scorer
fkastrataj 2 years ago
j. oneal a wrong place wrong time at the wrong guy
pampahify 2 years ago
wade had 2 50 point games so stfu you
h8ers and go suck a coc!! wade>lbj!!!!!!!!!! fuc u bches!!!
superhiman99 2 years ago
HE SAID HEAT AND WADE LOL
ShyamWow 2 years ago
People need to stop comparing Wade and Lebron. Lebron doesn't have to work near as hard as Wade does for points. Wade has to use finesse and skill whilst Lebron can just abuse isolation and use his big size and speed for an easy dunk. Lets see how good Lebron would be at Wade's size.
xxxhottie123 2 years ago 10
@xxxhottie123 you're retarded. that's like saying shaq's not that good let's see how good he would be if he was Amare's size. You can't control how tall you are or how big you are, but you control how skilled you are. And to say Lebron doesn't use skill just says you don't know anything about basketball. you get zero points. sit down child
UnderTheMoonICP6 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 its not lebrons fault hes that size. Size is an asset and his body is one of the reason he is better than wade.
Lebronkobe06280 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 lol youre an idiot...yeah and vice versa lets see how good wade would be at lebrons size...lebron weighs fuckin 250 yet is the quickest player on the floor...lebron obviously toys with the defense and doesnt pick it up until its time...if you watched any lebron game against any team you would know that...even watching this vid and the highlights you would see how the cavs were down by 10 until lebron decided to takeover....wade puts his 100 all the damn time on the other hand...
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 learn the game btw...
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 how about people liek you stop comparing lebron to kobe cuz kobe will embarres lebron and if lebron is sooooo good then why did he come and run to d wades team?
armobeast24 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 point is .. he has that size.. so why wouldnt he use it?!
thats like saying, lets see how many boards KG would get if he was 5 inches shorter, or let see how good shaq wouldve been without so much strength in the early 2000s...
point is, lebron has that size and speed, so he uses it to his advantage ...
beauwilliams 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 i understand what you saying but i disagree......i mean basically what you sayin is.....is that lebron can score easily because of his athleticsm and size.....but d wade doesnt have to work harder then lebron....he`s more clutch...and he`s not small......he only 4 inches smaller......but he 6ft 4......so both are sick....lebron just a bit better....but d-wade is more clutch...so really..both sick!
razzle9438 1 year ago
@xxxhottie123 he would be able to jump a foot higher
jumpman1233 1 year ago
how lazy was wade with that first pass? if that was kobe he would have raced down on defense and tried everything to stop the shot
Roadrunnerz45 2 years ago
mvp is not about stats it's about carrying your team and improving the record last season and making it to the playoffs
east12340 2 years ago
1 kobe
2a. wade
2b. lebron
MTAR786 2 years ago
i mean this is wade's best season of his career and lebron had an off year compared to previous years. if u think wade should have won mvp this year then lebron should have 3 because he's had better seasons than this and put up better numbers than wade
broli720 2 years ago
Lebron didn't have an off year...just seeing you type that shows how stupid you are.
He finally had a great team, so he didn't have to work that hard putting up incredible numbers like the years past.
Wade on the other hand, has never been in this position, he usually had help, so he was forced to go out and put up the insane numbers he did.
Surround them with equal talent and I wouldn't be surprised to see Wade's team finish with a better record.
D3v0luTi0nX 2 years ago 2
well your pretty stupid for that. he put up record breaking numbers in the playoffs man. he almost outscored his team in the orlando series. not to mention that besides lebron the cavs shot under 40% in that series. cleveland did have a better team last year but lebron made them look better than they really are. his team didnt' show up for him when it mattered. plus kobe had better talent around him and cavs still had the best record.
broli720 2 years ago
kobe? did I mention him? don't think so
D3v0luTi0nX 2 years ago
now if u call wade's number insane (30,5,7) then u probably haven't been watching lebron for the past few years. he is the only player since oscar robinson to average at least 26, 7, 7 his whole career. so ljb does what u call an insane since for wade on the regular. don't get me wrong wade is a great player and is there in the top 3 or 4 but 1 and 2 go to lebron and kobe respectively. the numbers don't lie. i've filled this page with all sorts of stats. can't argue statistics man.
broli720 2 years ago
the sport is more than just numbers...so yes you can argue statistics
you're probably some weird no life that spends too much time looking up numbers, so I won't bring up stats because you'll get on my nerves.
ignore the numbers and look at their games, the only thing Lebron really has over Wade is size, if they were the same size this probably wouldn't even be a debate
D3v0luTi0nX 2 years ago
ok it literally takes 5 secs to pull up their stats. its called the internet your using it right now. u can't even compare the two because lebron is literally unstoppable and almost unguardable. i mean 70% of the head coaches and gms in the league think lebron is the best player followed by kobe. lebron passes, rebounds, scores, and can carry a team for a whole series. like what he did in detriot the year they went to the finals. so your only defense is size. thats weak. jordan 6'6 = best in nba
broli720 2 years ago
yeah see you just took what I said and flipped it,
and no it doesn't take 5 secs to pull up stats, the fact that you even look up stats during debates like this is weak.
look at all you just said, he's unstoppable and unguardable(same thing by the way) but because of his size, imagine trying to stop someone who's what 6'8 280 or 300 maybe idk running with guard speed, give Wade that size he becomes just as unstoppable, especially since he has a greater skill set
D3v0luTi0nX 2 years ago
Wade carried HIS miami team to the finals and averaged better # than anyone in the history of the finals, that performance is listed the greatest of all time
3dwayne3wade 2 years ago 5
how did he carry them to the finals. check the stats he had the flu during the eastern conference finals and averaged less the 25 in the first and second round. he didn't show up until the 3rd game of the finals. plus shaq carried to the finals
broli720 2 years ago
"check the stats" hahahaha
get off the stats kid, you can't keep basing your basketball knowledge off of numbers.
go back and watch the games.
how dare you say Shaq carried them to the finals...
D3v0luTi0nX 2 years ago
@3dwayne3wade yes but he had alonzo mourning and shaq to back him up. he had a great supporting cast. lebron led his group of bench level players to the finals in 2007
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname dwade did carry his team shaq was hurt....he only averagd 15 points i think bu it is somewhere in the teens....wade average 35 POINTS in the FINALS.....alonzo didnt show up every night ....Wade had 7 plus boards.....and they started off 0-2 in the FINALS
bmatthews3 1 year ago
@bmatthews3 but dwade had more help than lebron did in 2007. and the playoffs are all about matchups. one player alone cannot carry a team to the finals. the greatest of all time MJ couldn't do it. so unless wade's the greatest basketball player the world has ever seen, then i doubt that. its either the mavericks weren't tough, or dwade had enough help. I think after many nba playoffs, we can see that one great player no matter how good, can carry a team. kobe couldnt do it without gasol.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname everyone left and the celtics became a big 3 lakers got pau now its like u need a good big and we didnt have that for years......now they re a big 3
bmatthews3 1 year ago
@bmatthews3 so are you saying that if there werent the celtics and the lakers, dwade could carry his team to the finals? he could beat the orlando magic, the cleveland cavaliers, atlanta hawks, spurs, mavericks, OKC, by himself? look man i know wade is a great player and i like to put him as top 5 SG of all time but all im saying is that lebron is better than him. lebron is top 3 SF of all time.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname nope im saying if all the teams where not so big nd if wade had a DECENT big man then maybe wade could carr his team to easter confrence finals..
bmatthews3 1 year ago
@bmatthews3 you see i dont believe in any player carrying his team to anything. basketball is a team sport and yes its fun to watch a superstar dominate but they cant do that to carry their team all the way to the finals. thats just too much to overcome. why does wade need a decent big men if he's gonna carry them? no if dwade gets a decent big man, then it will be him and the big man and also the contribution of everyone as a role. no one can carry a team to win a ring and whoever does,
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname Im pretty sure Dwyane Wade carried the HEAT to a championshp back in 06. Watch the footage, check the stats. He had one of the greatest Finals performances of all time, if not the greatest! He averaged around 35 points a game along with 8 rebounds per game. He single handedly brought the heat back from an 0-2 deficit (which no team in nba history had ever previously done). It boggles my mind that people never seem to acknowledge that.
fatmomma91 1 year ago
@fatmomma91 look he had one of the greatest finals performances ever, but if he could really carry the team, why couldnt he carry them to more championships? why did they have a 20 win season? he had help in miami. he had shaq who could still put up decent double doubles and alonzo mourning who is probably one of the greatest players that have played in the miami heat organization. Dwade has helped the heat more than any other player, but he had alot of help that isnt given credit
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@northcarolinaname There not given credit because the same team didn't do anything while he was injured.
muffinman18 11 months ago
@muffinman18 but what about when he wasnt injured. if apparently ppl say that wade carried heat to the finals and won it, then why couldnt he do that again? why in 2009 could he not get away from the first round against hawks? why in 2010 could he not carry the team against celtics? cause he didnt have any help. but obviously he had the help to win in 2006. thats all im saying., ppl need to stop saying wade carried the team the whole way. yes he was amazing, but he wasnt everything.
northcarolinaname 11 months ago
@bmatthews3 will be the greatest of all time. but thats why im saying lebron is such a fantastic player. not only did he carry cleveland for 7 years but he made his pathetic supporting cast look alot better. of course though he couldnt win a ring because he had to carry them.
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@bmatthews3 so there was something about the team that helped dwade. i mean if dwade can just carry a team to the finals and win, then why couldnt he do it the following years?
northcarolinaname 1 year ago
@D3v0luTi0nX is definately right, Tell me how lebron is 4 inches taller yet wade has way more blocks
3dwayne3wade 2 years ago
I feel you... but lebron didnt choose his size and he is also a better passer 2.... dont get me wrong though dwade a monster though i just like lebrons game better... but its a lose lose debate cuz no one is gonna change their opinion
tay1544 2 years ago
Wade had equal talent and won MVP finals
JohnMUTDMazzawi 2 years ago
smh wade had no help look at the stat sheet lebron had 41 and mo had 30 wade was the only player to have over 20 on his team
bkzfinestz18 2 years ago 12
@bkzfinestz18 chill dude his team lost by 6 points, it wasn't a massive difference in points, just d wade had more people able to score, where as lebron had to depend on mo williams more often. if anything dwade had more help, its not like its a blow out.
jonnieos 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 yea but the rest of wades team had balanced high scoring...
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@kingjamessolja balanced?? where idk what game you was watching
bkzfinestz18 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 do you know what balance scoring means??...do you see at the end the stat sheet...how 3 other players besides wade were in double figures....meaning they scored over 10 points and how only 2 other players on the cavs scored above 10 points
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 again i dont know what youre trying to argue...but its not even a debate...jus shut the fuck up before you start talking basketball blasphemy...wade has been owned by lebron time after time...and is no where near lebron on the PER...thats the anchor in any debate when regarding individual players...besides wade even with all the opportunity to score as much as he wants still has never avgd. more ppg in a single season then lebron...jus shut the fuck up before you dare say it..shhhh
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@kingjamessolja wooo before you let your trap talk bullshit wade led the leauge in scoring uhh lets see a season ago? so yea you sound like a dickhead one...two wade has a championship lebron uhh none... you sound like an asshole so before you take the scrotum out your mouth think..you dumbass
bkzfinestz18 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 oh god..LOL...youre an idiot...oh and my bad i forogt wade got a scoring title cuz lebron just doesnt care to lead the league in scoring every year...its not important to him....wade barely scored 30 a game...thing with wade is...he goes 100....lebron doesnt...he doesnt need too...hes that good....and wade has a ring? lol yeah ala shaq idiot...right after shaq left the heat went 15 and 60 something...thats like the nets of last season lol...lebron never did that
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@kingjamessolja your a ignorant person OMG if you know the game of basketball you would realize that lebron had way more help then wade...so you saying that because of shaq wade got that ring? well hold on there buddy lebron had shaq too and antwan jamison and what happened? second round exit jackass lebron doesnt need to go 100 you right but thats because he has a better team so if you would shut your trap and analyze basketball you would realize what im trying to say...
bkzfinestz18 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 lebron got to the 2nd round the year before without an over the hill 400lb shaq as well as without antawn jamison...and no lebron doesnt need to go 100% cuz lebrons 90% is still above everybody elses 100% u dumbfuck....theres no way lebron had a better team...if wade being on the heat had a 15-60 something season after shaq left...once lebron made the playoffs they just got better and better...y are we even comparing? lebron is so much better than wade...not even a debate
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@kingjamessolja oo and one more thing lebron going to the finals and getting swept?...something wade didnt do he actually got the job done 36ppg asshole
bkzfinestz18 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 so before shaq got him to the finals and won it for him like he did kobe youre telling me that wade carried a shit team to the finals like lebron did? lol...its like youre proving my point for me...thank you idiot...youre so ignorant you ignored that fact and didnt realize you just shot yourself in the foot as usual
kingjamessolja 1 year ago
@kingjamessolja if you can see that wade averaged 36 ppg you tell me who carried the team more? are you that stupid? you mad cause when shaq went to cleveland they aint go nowhere? lol o well nigga lebron shoulda been more of a team player n stop taking 30 shots a game
bkzfinestz18 1 year ago
@kingjamessolja who won finals mvp?
3haterz 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 Thats true but hopefully with lebron chris and more new players that will never happen agian
MegaCoolaid123 1 year ago
@bkzfinestz18 but look ilgauskas and west scored less than chalmers and moon, the prime players each had more than 10+ points.
k001k1dzm4n14 1 year ago
lebron leads the nba in the most 30 point games in the playoffs among active players. and hes only been in the league for 6 years....
punkpop8689 2 years ago
i hate it when people say Lebron is not clutch at last minute situation. Sure he might not have a lot of game winners, but in the 4th quarter, he gets the stuff done, willing his team to a run.
worldofvideos 2 years ago
wade got a ring. lebron doesn't. Wade needed shaq to do it and now lebron has him. Let's see if lebron can do it. ( i bet he can't cause orlando's gonna kill them again).
cyriacchaz 2 years ago
yeah and the bulls...hopefully if we get carlos boozer which we probably will
cubsfan104 2 years ago
dude shaq aint worth ANYTHING now. He is old and lazy. Phoeniz regrets trading shawn marion and marcus banks for him. Why do you think they traded him so quickly?
happykristals 2 years ago