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  • That Corvair looked pretty hot! And a handful in the corners. Is it still racing?

  • Now I know the reason.  Being the video is titled "Team Unsafe at any Speed earns their Name" kinda threw me off. No mention anywhere about (max) cost of cars. By the way, it's "LeMons", not lemons. If it's all in fun, why the sissy-fit when he hit the 'Vair? His B.M.W's value dropped down to $400?

  • Dirt on track from previous spin.

  • If the cars look crappy it's because they are supposed to cost 500 bucks max. It's called 24 hours of lemons for a reason.

  • There's a certain irony here. Early BMWs like the 2002 and 1600 borrowed heavily fron the first generation Corvair, (1960-1964).

    I'm curious what kind of crappy tires the 'Vair was running on. the car looks like it's level in the turn; no lean but the tires don't grip. May have hit a patch of dirt/sand on the track too...

  • @ Thelongmanable Please explain the following words you posted: "alot, assement, dont, perticapate, cause, and 'buy a gun you down own'" Get an 8 year old to do your typing. My school must have been gooder than yours.

  • ...at 00:19/00:20...is that a Mazder Me-atta hauling a load of plywood on the roof? Driver can't be serious! Is this race supposed to be comical? A Beemer ramming a 'Vair, Beemer driver having a sissy-fit, no 'Vair damage, B.M.W. pit crew w/a sledge hammer, a Jap-Scrapper with a sprint car contraption on it's roof...C'mon, guys. You all have to be putting on some sort of comedy race that is all in jest. What's the first place trophy? A bowling pin lamp? (sorry, Roger M.) I'd PAY to see this!

  • I look at it this way: You can flip any 4 wheel vehicle if you try hard enough. Notice how (in the video) the 'Vair, though spinning in BOTH directions, kept all four tires firmly planted. How's THAT for sure-footedness? Between 289mustangguy and I, we have owned 3 V.W. Type 1's and 2 early 'Vairs. I never flipped any of mine. You, 289? I think you said something about the front wheels of your Type 1 (Bugs, to the uninformed) getting a bit light around 100 m.p.h, though. It's all in the driver.

  • @289mustangguy Hi, Bro. For those who think the 'Vair is/was "unsafe" do some research. NHTSA and Texas A&M University tested the 'Vair(s) and said to effect of: "...has no greater potential for loss of control than it's contemporary competitors." Even the D.O.T. agreed. I'm not against foreign vehicles. As an American and Veteran, I'll back up any American car over any import. The 'Vair was a great handling/performing car. Not for everyone, though. Especiaaly B.M.W. drivers who can't pass one

  • Araulmazda 1) "I wasn't driving." That was obvious! 2) "the[sic] Corvair was/is slow..." I didn't see the 'Vair in YOUR mirror! Looks like the only way you can pass one is if the 'Vairs engine is stalled and facing the wrong way. High performance corvairs: You gotta love 'em. B.M.W's? Yawn...Penny-loafer nerd-mobiles. Takes a man to run a 'Vair.

  • @raulmazda By the way, who placed where? You anti-Corvair idiots need to do some research. The Corvair was an excellent car. More power to weight over a lot of "performance" cars. Don't hate them because of one small chapter in a book by an unqualified critic. Ralph Nader never owned/drove one. He just assumed they were "unsafe" 'cause owners didn't keep their tires inflated correctly and drove too fast for conditions. I'd take a 'Vair over most B.M.W's anyday. Mechknight73: U.R. full of shit!

  • @raulmazda Judging by the dirt and tire spin-out marks other(s) had spun out there. The 'Vair spun from powering through the dirt. His fault he spun. Maybe you should have known about the possibility of a spin and drove accordingly. Also, when someone is spinning out in front of you, the correct thing to do was take evasive action, not try to accellerate around him while he is still not in control. Your fault, there. I like the Corvair's minimal (if any) damage and you having to hammer yours.

  • Driver was an idiot

  • Love the burnout!

  • Corvair was a highly succesfull road raced car by many people like Don Yenko and one of his Yenko corvairs can go for upwards of 500 thousand dollars.

  • WOW That guy must be local law enforcment with that assement of the accident which is completely and 100 percent wrong. This is also why alot of people dont perticapate at the local drag strip or road courses cause some how they are a magnet for highring angry stupid people. What should be a day of fun turns into a day of wanting to buy a gun you down own and killing someone who you talked to for few seconds.

  • The question has to be asked, what kind of an idiot goes racing in a Corvair? That's asking for trouble on so many levels

  • didnt hurt the corvair

  • Is this an E30. WHat motor is this, sounds too high a rev line for a 318i

  • @NorkiddExo it's a 1990 325i with a cheap chip that raises the red line to 7k rpm

  • turner motorsprts knock off chip from ebay?

  • @Mrjoeycrandall they wouldn't say which chip they knocked off ... but I went with the cheapest chip I could find and it worked out ok :)

  • That's what happens when someone tries to race a car in something it wasn't meant for...take that damn thing back to where it can only go in a straight line, where it belongs.

  • @Deetroiter

    Maybe you should do your homework on the LATE model Corvair before you make an uneducated statement like that.

  • @Deetroiter

    Do a little research. Look up which car won the Sports Car Club of America D Production championship for 1967. It was Jerry Thompson with the Yenko/Gulf CORVAR Stinger. They went up against the previously unbeatable Bob Tullius's Group 44 Team.

  • What type of car was this? Before it had the crap modded out of it of course...

  • lol we were in the penelty box when you were there in the 280 "rice rocket racing". the Corvair was pitted next to us. Loked like there was no damage to the corvair. That race probly had more yellow flag laps then green.

  • lol we were in the penelty box when you were there in the 280 "rice rocket racing". the Corvair was pitted next to us. Loked like there was no damage to the corvair

  • LOVED the burnout... haha. nice..

  • bwahaha bimmer got too aggressive... poor thing...

  • what dose two feet in mean?

  • @CrazyDave650 push in the clutch and brake simultaneously. It stops the car in a predictable manner, and with the clutch in the car doesn't stall when it stops, so you can get it out of harm's way quickly.

  • @raulmazda i should have known that! getting too used to driving automatics.

  • @raulmazda yeah, ive spun out a few times but the car seems to shut itself off magically in the heat of the moment even if i punch the clutch in with the brakes. its so embarassing that i have to restart the car in the agricultural aspect of the track from silence. gotta do some magical clutch in brakes in gas up a bit. if you are a master spinner, you can turn deadly moments into things described with 4 letter words.

  • That rear engine corvair has the same problems on the corners as the Porsche. The engines weight is just too much!

  • @AzBirdDog they say the porsche was designed to be driven with the back end out a little bit. rear engines are good because when you gettem where you want them to be, you slam the gas in and its like pinning the tail on the donkey, stays right wher you want it. :)

  • @severrnijKGU Your kind of right on underpowered rear engined cars.

  • @AzBirdDog

    The majority of the Corvair engine is aluminum. It is very light. But the placement creates a rear weight bias and oversteer. Same thing with a 911.

  • Mmmmm BMW sixers sound good

  • Just love mechanics with big hammers !

  • The other Corvair racers certainly earned their name too: "Team Trailing Throttle Oversteer"

    I like how the old GM compact seems completely undamaged by the accident.

  • I love the engine sound of the camera car. Epic obligatory angry burnout.

  • some stuff in the LeMons rules. "Compensation for Loss: There are none. Forget it. It ain't gonna happen. You get zip. Squat. Nada. Can't get your act together? Tough nuts. T-boned on Lap One? Listen to the crickets. Abducted by space aliens? Boo-hoo, L. Ron. Jay ran you over in his RV? Then you shouldn't have been...wait a minute...okay, that actually might be our fault."

    "the organizer--and nobody else, you lazy, better-car-wantin' bastids-may elect to purchase any vehicle..."

    brilliance

  • lol, as soon as i put it in hd and full screen i noticed the panda in the top right corner. im guessing that isnt an air freshener. you may well have avoided hat accident had you not had the panda on board. they weigh a lot you know...

  • 0:10-0:18 been there, Done that lol

  • loos like the corvair won that one

  • He's going off the track... 0:04 OHAI. NVMD KTHXLOL

  • Wow, epic correction by the guy in the Corvair. The tires gained adhesion, and he just didn't straighten out soon enough; not that I would have done much better, though.

  • I think everyone needs to calm down a bit.

    I was driving #43. I did back off, but I didn't back off enough (I was on the brakes as soon as #65 cut into my line). I did go wide, but I didn't go wide enough. I thought the corvair was going to go off the track on the inside and I would continue on my merry way (as you can see it comes within inches of doing so). Instead it snapped back and spun into me before I could dodge it.

    It's racing, crashes happen. I'm glad everyone drove away unhurt.

  • Yup. I'm also glad your car wasn't seriously fucked up. We get tire rubbing when the wheel is turned all the way to the left, but other than that, no problems. Gotta love that old Detroit Iron. Fuel pumps driven directly off the camshaft - no relays to go on the fritz!

    The baiting is all in good fun from this end. Of course, it's easy for us to say that, given the final standings...

  • Rob, thanks for stepping in as the voice of reason. I was driving #65. As you said, it's racing, crashes happen. I'm glad no drivers or cars were hurt.

    We will try to keep our car pointed forward, you guys try to keep your car running, and everyone will have a good time.

  • Are you telling me that if you were driving the Corvair you wouldn't of tried to save it? You think he was looking in his rearview at where you were right in the middle of the turn? He was in a rear engine car. The rear goes out and snaps back. That's what happens in a old rear engine car. But even a front end car generally snaps back. The cars momentum was going right and you went too close right. Glad you got back in the race.

  • This is wheel to wheel racing.

    You must be aware of the cars around you at all times.

    Surely the Corvair's driver was aware of the cars behind it, as it was taking a "faster cars please pass me to the inside" line.

    If I was out of control enough to shoot to the inside of the turn, I would've unwound the wheel and taken the car off track under control. I think you'd agree, it's better to lose 15 seconds in the dirt than to collide with a competitor that you know is behind you.

  • I agree that 15 sec is better. But n this race if you went off track you were black flagged & penalized. So it's not 15 seconds. It's laps & 1 of 4 allowed black flags. So, he wanted to save it. You really should've backed off more & gone wide out. His car was torquing up the rear wheels with engine decompression. This is not a pro race. U with the experience should be more defensive & give xtra room.

    Also, that was when there was a bunch of dirt on the inside of that turn, making it slick.

  • You add some fine data to why the bad decisions were made.

    Sure, it's easy to say what someone should have done in hindsight. When I do this exercise, my list starts with "every driver should take steps to not face oncoming traffic in turn 2".

    Or maybe it's easier to just blame the car?

  • @raulmazda hey man where is this located i would like to get into this myself

  • @raulmazda Or maybe you could have hit the brakes? Instead you sped up to take him on the outside where you knew the car would be careening when he over-corrected. Spin outs happen all of the time, you should have seen the situation developing. Just like skiing, you're expected to look down mountain. The swearing and burnout were childish. Intentionally laying down rubber/hazards on the track? If you'd have thrown a rod or something in the burnout, you'd be an even greater hazard, right?

  • @Streetracingpunk72

    1) I wasn't driving

    2) the Corvair was/is slow, overtaking it on the outside of every turn is standard practice

    3) being called childish by someone whose nickname is "street racer" is awesome

  • @raulmazda 3.) Afraid that's the consequence of opening a Youtube account before you know what's going on in life. You only addressed one of my points, and instead you felt the need to make excuses and take a personal jabs at my five year old user name. I'd continue this conversation, but the markets just opened for the day and I have more important things to do that sit here and talk to a invalid. Have fun at LeMons, being unsafe and losing.

  • @Streetracingpunk72 The thing about racing is that it's not a good idea to brake behind someone fucking up - then BOTH of you become hazards for everyone else behind you. Now, of course, with something like this god-forsaken Corvair careening in either direction I think anyone would be screwed in either case.

  • Gettimg caught on the recovery isn't a lack of talent, it's a lack of experience.

    Not being able to pass a car going seventeen seconds a lap slower than you when he leaves that much room on the inside isn't the most impressive display of racecraft since Zanardi at the Corkscrew either, you know.

  • I agree, it's all about lack of experience. Nobody is born with car control skills, they're learned. A large part of that learning is experience.

    T2 at THill is a skidpad. There's no skill to it mid-corner. Get all 4 tires at the limit of adhesion with a proper slip angle and you're done. Rest assured, if the Corvair didn't come headfirst into traffic, it was only a matter of time before the pass happened in T2. It's a basic differential in grip kind of turn. Stupid simple, and quite boring.

  • That's what Corvairs do, plus their team name is a warning in itself. Don't take it so seriously and next time go wide around any rear-engine, swing-axle cars in a drift.

  • The car in question does not have a swing axle since it is a '65. Thanks for playing Jesse.

  • Dude- They were in a Corvair. You should've seen that coming. He was drifting and spinning in a left hand turn and you drove right down the middle on the right of the spin. Plus you didn't back off when he started to slide out. You have your self to blame. Should've backed off a bit and let his spin happen. What car were you in?

  • This was Team Pandamonium, car 43. I think they hate YT and are mostly on Vimeo.

  • Haha, yes. We were Pandamonium Racing in car #43.

    I personally prefer Vimeo to YT, but that did not cause the Corvair to spin :)

  • Yes, in the video you could see the spin coming. I wasn't driving, but my instinct would have the same: dive to the right. The corvair should've gone to the inside of the turn with no drama if the driver realized he had lost control and given it up. Instead he played hero and tried to save it, then encountered ridiculous snap oversteer. Again, lack of skill. It's a rookie move, live and learn.

    "in a spin, 2 feet in"

  • awesome footage. :D

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