@6400az Sorry, the only Duane Thomas that Oscar Reed could resemble is the 1974 Duane Thomas. Also, anything seen here is against a bad NY Giants team that just wanted the game and the season to end. I'll take the Giants RB, though, Ron Johnson, who caught that TD @ 1:00 over Oscar Reed, and it's nothing necessarily even against Reed.
I thought his style of running looked like Thomas'. Reed in No way resembled a 74' Thomas...............You do have some knowledge of the 73' playoffs??
Johnson caught the pass over Nate Wright and Paul Krause. Ayone who thinks that's a feather in their cap, must have a hat full of feathers.
@6400az If you pause it @ 0:59, you will see it's a picture perfect catch. Yes, I am fully aware of the playoff game against the Redskins, just like I'm aware of Reed getting stopped in Super Bowl 8 on 4th & 1, deep in Miami territory right before halftime, despite good blocking from Chuck Foreman on the play. You're selling Ron Johnson short right now
Ummm, yes. I still havent't forgotten Reed or Mclanahan for their fumbles. But just for the record, Duane Thomas aslo fumbled at the one, and in critical situation. Also, our hero Foreman ALSO fumbled at the 1 in SB IX, sure it led to the Blair blocked punt, but a fumble at the 1 is still a as bad as it gets. Johnson was a good player.....your not being too nice to Mr. Reed either.
@6400az Hey timeout,in SB 9,it wasn't a dry football,as Franco & Bill Brown fumbled as well, & there was that Steelers TE #87 who fumbled late but it was overturned.I know I'd have my mind on insane Ernie Holmes about to annihilate me as I'm taking this handoff,a fumble that was not costly.Now HERE,this game,@0:59,that looks like classic pose by RB Johnson,resembling WR Reggie Rucker for Cleveland in 1978 home game vs Cincy.As for Oscar Reed,his nickname was "The Seed",oh geez,beware of the seed
Ok, how about the Duane Thomas fumble, was nice and sunny in the Orange Bowl that day. Reed did have a couple of good games, not that you could do too much with him as he was fumbler.
One would'nt have to beware of any seed. Reeds' nickname was " The Sea".
@6400az ...and even though this is hindsight, & Coach Bud Grant was a great one, they got everything reversed. In SB 9, (though it didn't cost them any points), against that insane run defense Steel Curtain on one-yard line,somebody has to block them,Foreman should have been lead blocker. In SB 8 & 11, whatever the No Name Defense & Raiders were,their D-Line run defenses were not Steel Curtain,so in those short yardages, Foreman should have been given football,not lead blocking.
No, no. You give that ball to the guy who got you there in the first place and thta guy was Forman. If your gonna run the ball you give it to your best RB, you don't have Foreman back there because of his blocking. If anything,you take out Mclanahan and put a guard to lead block.
@6400az Well you obviously agree with Foreman should have been the one to get the ball in those short yardage situations in SB 8 & 11 (SB 11 was goalline at beginning of game). We do know Foreman's blocking was reliable and you might see where I'm coming from about SB 9. Somebody had to block Arrowhead Ernie Holmes, and I think the thought of putting in a Guard in backfield to lead block was 10 years away (1984 NFC Title game Bears at 49ers-Guy McCyntire was the first game I know of with that)
@6400az Well you obviously agree with Foreman should have been the one to get the ball in those short yardage situations in SB 8 & 11 (SB 11 was goalline at beginning of game). We do know Foreman's blocking was reliable and you might see where I'm coming from about SB 9. Somebody had to block Arrowhead Ernie Holmes, and I think the thought of putting in a Guard in backfield to lead block was 10 years away (1984 NFC Title game Bears at 49ers-Guy McCyntire was the first game I know of with that)
Foreman should have gotten the ball, yes. In both SB 9 and 11 the defenses got so much penetration it would have been difficult for him to get airborne.Maybe a power sweep around the corner, cause they were'nt going to get anywhere up the middle.
At the time,I don't remembr anyon ever putting a blocker ( o-lineman) in the backfield next to the RB, but in the late 60's the Vikings DID use Carl Eller on the offense line for short yardage situations.
@6400az Also,in SB 9,NFL Fims said once Steeler MLB Jack Lambert was injured,running plays should have been called exploiting that,instead of continuing to run at Jack Ham,making Foreman look bad.But we know unfortunately,that Steelers were going to win that regardless, because to exploit the middle meant running at Mean Joe Green and Arrowhead Ernie Holmes,good luck.Coach Grant had everything to do with Viking success& a good but not great coach would not have gotten them to those Super Bowls.
@6400az No, I promise, Coach Bud Grant's forte was knowing personnel and utlizing it to ikts fullest. He was a master strategist, and had a keen instinct for the game. His teams would exploit opponent's weaknesses, and his teams would play within their limitations, and took what they could get. His teams would have dignity and stability. But he was also a resourceful coach, I promise.
Yes, I know.The dignity and class of the Vikings is what I admire most about them at it's one of the things that set them apart from all the others. He did know what to do with the talent he had. I don't know about him being a master strategist though. You mean like an X's and O's type of coach?
@6400az EXACTLY. It was from all directions and I thought it was great that when he retired before 1984, and the team collapsed to 3-13, he came back and got them back on their feet and headed them in the right direction one last time.
@6400az We also know that a good but not great RB would not have gotten them to those Super Bowls, and I'm obviously not referring to The Seed or McClownahan. Now in SB 5, Duane Thomas's fumble was after being tackled by THREE Colt dfenders, the last one being legendary Mike Mad Dog Curtis who forced the fumble. Duane Thomas was so good he flowed above the game of football. The thought of comparing The Seed to vintage Duane Thomas is...let's just say I disagree.The Seed is lower than Ron Johnson
Do you mean that the Vikings needed a great RB to get to the Superbowls, that's what you mean?....without Foreman they go home for the holidays.
Curtis did'nt cause the fumble.Thomas was'nt hit very hard,although he was hit by Mike Curtis and Jerry Logan it was'nt until Ron Gardine #35 joined in the tackle that Thomas dropped the ball.
Never said Reed was as good as Thomas, just that he had a similar running style.
@6400az: Regarding the "non-celebrations", I can recall Jeff Siemon sacking John Hadl near the end of a 10-9 win over the Rams in '73, and simply walking back to the bench, and sitting down very quietly, no fuss or fanfare; typical Bud Grant Vikings...
@6400az: I think that Cuozzo had retired:I know that he played for the Cards in '72, but that experience may have given him the final push to his dental practice..Snead got another chance in San Fran, but that was it for him...
Yea, I think Cuozzo was out of football after 1972. Went to the Cardinals in the Gilliam trade. After his stint with the Cardinals ,that must have completed the cycle......... playing for every team in the league !
GIants suffered through an abysmal '73 season; Snead was not the answer, again..
Have to comment about Marshall's weight; toward the end of his career, he was a liability, as he was at least 30 lbs lighter than at his peak ( around 1970), and he was easily pushed around, as was Page in his last 2 years with the Vikings. Both could get QB sacks, but they were overrun against good ground games, which made their accomplishments basically a wash..
Jim Marshall...What a player, just what a player !!. I guess the reason he's not in the HOF is in part because of the 4 SB losses, but also, they probably figure if they got the other D-lineman, why bother with a third one.
Have tons of old Vikings footage, the man make splay, after play. Unquestionably, every bit as good a Eller and Page. Look at him shoot the gap @ 2:00 !!
Also,check out the celebration after the play,what pros these guys where!
@6400az Yeah, I wish Karl Kassulke would not have had that accident right before 1973 season. He would have taken Zoink the Oink in SB 8, and Franco's Italian Sausage in SB 9, and obliterated both of them.
Yes, I thought Hannon was good player, as was Autry Beamon whom they lost to Seattle in the expansion draft.
I really don't blame Krause for his play.He played the S position all through his career the way as he started in 64'..... as center fielder.
Krause played for such a long time, his career overlapped a new style of playing safety. By the time he retired in 79' the position had morphed to includ elements of linebacking. Something he just was'nt suited for.
@6400az You will occasionally see people talking about how, in big games, good teams were able to neutralize him (and to some extent Page) by running right at them. It is almost like the Krause curse rubbed off on Marshall, with people wrongly viewing him as a weak link/weakling. In that context, they even use his game streak against him. It really does stink.
Presisely Dr. Wayne, I simpley could'nt stand it..." You can run right at Minnesota". Over and over the announcers would say...... How could that be, If you run at someone, they'll tackle you!!
That the Vikings gave up big chunks of yards, yes.... especially towards the end of the Purple People Eaters reign, but even then they consistently where atop ( or near the top) for fewest point's allowed.In the eyes pf the media, the Krause syndrome did rub off on other players.
@6400az The Viking's strategy on defense was to penetrate, disrupt, attack the quarterback, and play the run on the move. The mistake people make is assuming that their attacking style was a product of players who didn't want to hit, in some senses almost viewing them as the football version of the "Showtime" Lakers.
Good point 6400az. Note that Terry Brown, after returning the Int for a touchdown turns.......and flips the ball to the official. So classy and professional.
Simpley have no recolection of ever seein this one. An absolute beauty !! At 1:44... the master of the big play, non other than the great Bobby Bryant. Why would'nt he get credit fo blocking the kick, he DID !
He got back there pretty quick, no chance to get that kick off. Notice how the Vikings virtually ignore Bryant as he walks back to the sidelines, I'm sure they let him know about the great play , but no hooting and hollering.Classic Vikings.
How strange was the QB carousel in this game? First Tarkenton gets back at the Giants. Randy Johnson winds up on Washington in '75; Norm Snead is traded to San Fransisco in '74 the same day the Giants acquired Craig Morton.
Was this game played at the Yale Bowl? I know that the Giants were out of Yankee Stadium as soon as baseball season was over, as the Stadium was closed for renovations.
At 1:30...Although I feared him, because he was prone to fumbling, you gotta like Oscar Reeds' slashing, running style....... a Duane Thomas maybe ??
6400az 1 week ago
@6400az Sorry, the only Duane Thomas that Oscar Reed could resemble is the 1974 Duane Thomas. Also, anything seen here is against a bad NY Giants team that just wanted the game and the season to end. I'll take the Giants RB, though, Ron Johnson, who caught that TD @ 1:00 over Oscar Reed, and it's nothing necessarily even against Reed.
plntntvzn 14 hours ago
@plntntvzn
I thought his style of running looked like Thomas'. Reed in No way resembled a 74' Thomas...............You do have some knowledge of the 73' playoffs??
Johnson caught the pass over Nate Wright and Paul Krause. Ayone who thinks that's a feather in their cap, must have a hat full of feathers.
6400az 10 hours ago
@6400az If you pause it @ 0:59, you will see it's a picture perfect catch. Yes, I am fully aware of the playoff game against the Redskins, just like I'm aware of Reed getting stopped in Super Bowl 8 on 4th & 1, deep in Miami territory right before halftime, despite good blocking from Chuck Foreman on the play. You're selling Ron Johnson short right now
plntntvzn 8 hours ago
@plntntvzn
Ummm, yes. I still havent't forgotten Reed or Mclanahan for their fumbles. But just for the record, Duane Thomas aslo fumbled at the one, and in critical situation. Also, our hero Foreman ALSO fumbled at the 1 in SB IX, sure it led to the Blair blocked punt, but a fumble at the 1 is still a as bad as it gets. Johnson was a good player.....your not being too nice to Mr. Reed either.
6400az 2 hours ago
@6400az Hey timeout,in SB 9,it wasn't a dry football,as Franco & Bill Brown fumbled as well, & there was that Steelers TE #87 who fumbled late but it was overturned.I know I'd have my mind on insane Ernie Holmes about to annihilate me as I'm taking this handoff,a fumble that was not costly.Now HERE,this game,@0:59,that looks like classic pose by RB Johnson,resembling WR Reggie Rucker for Cleveland in 1978 home game vs Cincy.As for Oscar Reed,his nickname was "The Seed",oh geez,beware of the seed
plntntvzn 2 hours ago
@plntntvzn
Ok, how about the Duane Thomas fumble, was nice and sunny in the Orange Bowl that day. Reed did have a couple of good games, not that you could do too much with him as he was fumbler.
One would'nt have to beware of any seed. Reeds' nickname was " The Sea".
6400az 1 hour ago
@6400az ...and even though this is hindsight, & Coach Bud Grant was a great one, they got everything reversed. In SB 9, (though it didn't cost them any points), against that insane run defense Steel Curtain on one-yard line,somebody has to block them,Foreman should have been lead blocker. In SB 8 & 11, whatever the No Name Defense & Raiders were,their D-Line run defenses were not Steel Curtain,so in those short yardages, Foreman should have been given football,not lead blocking.
plntntvzn 1 hour ago
@plntntvzn
No, no. You give that ball to the guy who got you there in the first place and thta guy was Forman. If your gonna run the ball you give it to your best RB, you don't have Foreman back there because of his blocking. If anything,you take out Mclanahan and put a guard to lead block.
6400az 1 hour ago
@6400az Well you obviously agree with Foreman should have been the one to get the ball in those short yardage situations in SB 8 & 11 (SB 11 was goalline at beginning of game). We do know Foreman's blocking was reliable and you might see where I'm coming from about SB 9. Somebody had to block Arrowhead Ernie Holmes, and I think the thought of putting in a Guard in backfield to lead block was 10 years away (1984 NFC Title game Bears at 49ers-Guy McCyntire was the first game I know of with that)
plntntvzn 1 hour ago
@6400az Well you obviously agree with Foreman should have been the one to get the ball in those short yardage situations in SB 8 & 11 (SB 11 was goalline at beginning of game). We do know Foreman's blocking was reliable and you might see where I'm coming from about SB 9. Somebody had to block Arrowhead Ernie Holmes, and I think the thought of putting in a Guard in backfield to lead block was 10 years away (1984 NFC Title game Bears at 49ers-Guy McCyntire was the first game I know of with that)
plntntvzn 1 hour ago
@plntntvzn
Foreman should have gotten the ball, yes. In both SB 9 and 11 the defenses got so much penetration it would have been difficult for him to get airborne.Maybe a power sweep around the corner, cause they were'nt going to get anywhere up the middle.
At the time,I don't remembr anyon ever putting a blocker ( o-lineman) in the backfield next to the RB, but in the late 60's the Vikings DID use Carl Eller on the offense line for short yardage situations.
6400az 1 hour ago
@6400az Also,in SB 9,NFL Fims said once Steeler MLB Jack Lambert was injured,running plays should have been called exploiting that,instead of continuing to run at Jack Ham,making Foreman look bad.But we know unfortunately,that Steelers were going to win that regardless, because to exploit the middle meant running at Mean Joe Green and Arrowhead Ernie Holmes,good luck.Coach Grant had everything to do with Viking success& a good but not great coach would not have gotten them to those Super Bowls.
plntntvzn 1 hour ago
@plntntvzn
Lambert was injured and some guy named Bradley filled in ok... # 38. I like Grant, but today, I'm very concerned about his approach to the game.
The Vikings O-line sismpley did not match up very good to the Steelers d-line. It wa slike going up against 4 Curly Culps.
6400az 53 minutes ago
@6400az No, I promise, Coach Bud Grant's forte was knowing personnel and utlizing it to ikts fullest. He was a master strategist, and had a keen instinct for the game. His teams would exploit opponent's weaknesses, and his teams would play within their limitations, and took what they could get. His teams would have dignity and stability. But he was also a resourceful coach, I promise.
plntntvzn 46 minutes ago
@plntntvzn
Yes, I know.The dignity and class of the Vikings is what I admire most about them at it's one of the things that set them apart from all the others. He did know what to do with the talent he had. I don't know about him being a master strategist though. You mean like an X's and O's type of coach?
6400az 37 minutes ago
@6400az EXACTLY. It was from all directions and I thought it was great that when he retired before 1984, and the team collapsed to 3-13, he came back and got them back on their feet and headed them in the right direction one last time.
plntntvzn 33 minutes ago
@6400az We also know that a good but not great RB would not have gotten them to those Super Bowls, and I'm obviously not referring to The Seed or McClownahan. Now in SB 5, Duane Thomas's fumble was after being tackled by THREE Colt dfenders, the last one being legendary Mike Mad Dog Curtis who forced the fumble. Duane Thomas was so good he flowed above the game of football. The thought of comparing The Seed to vintage Duane Thomas is...let's just say I disagree.The Seed is lower than Ron Johnson
plntntvzn 1 hour ago
@plntntvzn
Do you mean that the Vikings needed a great RB to get to the Superbowls, that's what you mean?....without Foreman they go home for the holidays.
Curtis did'nt cause the fumble.Thomas was'nt hit very hard,although he was hit by Mike Curtis and Jerry Logan it was'nt until Ron Gardine #35 joined in the tackle that Thomas dropped the ball.
Never said Reed was as good as Thomas, just that he had a similar running style.
6400az 43 minutes ago
@6400az: Regarding the "non-celebrations", I can recall Jeff Siemon sacking John Hadl near the end of a 10-9 win over the Rams in '73, and simply walking back to the bench, and sitting down very quietly, no fuss or fanfare; typical Bud Grant Vikings...
MultiNewEnglander 1 week ago
@6400az: Ironically, both Clint Jones and Bob Grim had career years in 1971, when the Viking offense hit rock bottom..
MultiNewEnglander 1 week ago
@6400az: And then Grim was traded back to the Vikings for the 1977 season,when he became basically the Vikes' 3rd receiver for the playoffs..
MultiNewEnglander 1 week ago
@MultiNewEnglander
Actually Grim first ended up in Chicago from the Giants, and then back to the Vikings starting in 76'.
Same thing with Joe Blahak, Tarkenton, Bob Berry, couple other players Grant brought back.
6400az 1 week ago
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6400az 1 week ago
Forgot to say---in all fairness, Snead had a great year in'72 with the Giants, but the effects didn't last very long...
MultiNewEnglander 1 week ago
@MultiNewEnglander
His favorite target was that year was former Vikings Bob Grim.I think they all went to the Giants in the Tarkenton trade.
I also forgot about another Giant journeyman QB..... Randy Jonhson.
6400az 1 week ago
@6400az: I think that Cuozzo had retired:I know that he played for the Cards in '72, but that experience may have given him the final push to his dental practice..Snead got another chance in San Fran, but that was it for him...
MultiNewEnglander 1 week ago
@MultiNewEnglander
Yea, I think Cuozzo was out of football after 1972. Went to the Cardinals in the Gilliam trade. After his stint with the Cardinals ,that must have completed the cycle......... playing for every team in the league !
6400az 1 week ago
@drwayne88:
GIants suffered through an abysmal '73 season; Snead was not the answer, again..
Have to comment about Marshall's weight; toward the end of his career, he was a liability, as he was at least 30 lbs lighter than at his peak ( around 1970), and he was easily pushed around, as was Page in his last 2 years with the Vikings. Both could get QB sacks, but they were overrun against good ground games, which made their accomplishments basically a wash..
MultiNewEnglander 1 week ago
@MultiNewEnglander
Later they brought in feared gun slinger Craig Morton. I'm surprised they did'nt give Gary Cuozzo a try.
6400az 1 week ago
Before there was Micheal Vick...there was Fran Tarkenton!
pga1under 1 month ago
Krause tackling clinic at :46 seconds
tknippe 2 months ago
Note that late in the game Lurtzema is in for Marshall, and Sutherland is in for Larsen
drwayne88 3 months ago
Paul Krauss never could tackle.
boogerholewv1 3 months ago
Jim Marshall...What a player, just what a player !!. I guess the reason he's not in the HOF is in part because of the 4 SB losses, but also, they probably figure if they got the other D-lineman, why bother with a third one.
Have tons of old Vikings footage, the man make splay, after play. Unquestionably, every bit as good a Eller and Page. Look at him shoot the gap @ 2:00 !!
Also,check out the celebration after the play,what pros these guys where!
6400az 5 months ago
@6400az Yeah, I wish Karl Kassulke would not have had that accident right before 1973 season. He would have taken Zoink the Oink in SB 8, and Franco's Italian Sausage in SB 9, and obliterated both of them.
plntntvzn 4 months ago
@plntntvzn
Certainly would have helped, although Jeff Wright was a pretty good tackler in his own right, but not a Kassulke.
6400az 4 months ago
@6400az You probably have to go to Tommy Hannon to get someone in the same kind of hitting league are Karl.
drwayne88 3 months ago
@drwayne88
Yes, I thought Hannon was good player, as was Autry Beamon whom they lost to Seattle in the expansion draft.
I really don't blame Krause for his play.He played the S position all through his career the way as he started in 64'..... as center fielder.
Krause played for such a long time, his career overlapped a new style of playing safety. By the time he retired in 79' the position had morphed to includ elements of linebacking. Something he just was'nt suited for.
6400az 3 months ago
@6400az You will occasionally see people talking about how, in big games, good teams were able to neutralize him (and to some extent Page) by running right at them. It is almost like the Krause curse rubbed off on Marshall, with people wrongly viewing him as a weak link/weakling. In that context, they even use his game streak against him. It really does stink.
drwayne88 3 months ago
@drwayne88
Presisely Dr. Wayne, I simpley could'nt stand it..." You can run right at Minnesota". Over and over the announcers would say...... How could that be, If you run at someone, they'll tackle you!!
That the Vikings gave up big chunks of yards, yes.... especially towards the end of the Purple People Eaters reign, but even then they consistently where atop ( or near the top) for fewest point's allowed.In the eyes pf the media, the Krause syndrome did rub off on other players.
6400az 3 months ago
@6400az The Viking's strategy on defense was to penetrate, disrupt, attack the quarterback, and play the run on the move. The mistake people make is assuming that their attacking style was a product of players who didn't want to hit, in some senses almost viewing them as the football version of the "Showtime" Lakers.
drwayne88 3 months ago
Good point 6400az. Note that Terry Brown, after returning the Int for a touchdown turns.......and flips the ball to the official. So classy and professional.
drwayne88 5 months ago
@drwayne88 everyone flipped the ball to official in those days or simply spiked it. also no dances in the end zone
bobbollu 3 months ago
Ray Scott and Brookie called this game for CBS
IowaRocker1 6 months ago
HOF safety Paul Krause provides one of his clinics on how to tackle @ :45 seconds
tknippe 6 months ago
Simpley have no recolection of ever seein this one. An absolute beauty !! At 1:44... the master of the big play, non other than the great Bobby Bryant. Why would'nt he get credit fo blocking the kick, he DID !
6400az 6 months ago
@6400az He almost had to wait for it to be kicked to block it...
drwayne88 5 months ago
@drwayne88
He got back there pretty quick, no chance to get that kick off. Notice how the Vikings virtually ignore Bryant as he walks back to the sidelines, I'm sure they let him know about the great play , but no hooting and hollering.Classic Vikings.
6400az 5 months ago
How strange was the QB carousel in this game? First Tarkenton gets back at the Giants. Randy Johnson winds up on Washington in '75; Norm Snead is traded to San Fransisco in '74 the same day the Giants acquired Craig Morton.
Panthers11222 6 months ago
I think that coach Webster had resigned just prior to this game. If not, then this was his last game as coach in the NFL.
1974NFL 6 months ago
Was this game played at the Yale Bowl? I know that the Giants were out of Yankee Stadium as soon as baseball season was over, as the Stadium was closed for renovations.
1974NFL 6 months ago