I just find it AMAZING how people claim the high road to revelation as a strategy for talking about the issues surrounding Osteen, and then go about exposing themselves as the opposite of who they claim to be. What is very sad in the church today is the culture of dishonor, and I will admit it is very difficult to honor those given to dishonor. People, please talk objectively here about the issues and try to refrain from enthroning yourself as God who knows the hearts of people.
No Man can Come to Jesus by hearing men talk bible.Thats NOT Preaching its Parroting the bible and its dead.These men teach from their lord whos NOT Jesus but another.Only by The Spirit can you know these from the True.Get alone w/Jesus and shut yourself in w/Him.Stop particapating in dead religion you finance.Your as guilty as these frauds if you do.Trust Jesus to reveal Himself to you IF you truly wana Know Him.If not, just keep playing church w/these pretenders.Jesus is able, ask Him.
Why do otherwise intelligent adults flock to these motivational speakers who both claim to be represenitives of God so totally delude these people? Jesus did NOT Teach Prosrerity or positive energy.Neither did Jesus teach or suggest that we would be given bibles to know who Jesus is.Jesus cant be "known" apart from devine revelation of Him by The Spirit of Truth. and Yes, thats in your bible.What you Need is a relationship w/Jesus, not knowledge of the bible.Todays"Church"aint Church.
@demoinwa Joel Osteen will be attacked because he has the largest church in the US. I like Joel and our church is connected with his. Joel will be here Feb. 3 in Hawaii. I have looked into many accusations about Joel but all are baseless as far as I am concerned. Many would disagree with me but the only judge that matters is the Lord. Everyone should worry about themselves and follow after the Holy Spirit.
@Rotorcop12a Well, cool. I apologize for misunderstanding you. I dont follow Osteen much, but I do believe he is grounded in the GOODNESS of God, which I believe to be the main cause of persecution toward him. There is a growing division in the church today centered entirely on the GOODNESS of God. It is really ironic how people like Washer see persecution as affirmation and then go and persecute people like Osteen. Cherio.
@demoinwa What are you talking about? LOL! sorry I am not judging you. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE MONEY FOR KINGDOM PURPOSES. LOL! Are you responding to the right person? Maybe you can explain what I wrote to you because I don't understand. I don't even remember responding to you. ????
@Rotorcop12a Okay, I thought you were siding with the person I have been going on with, commending him for seeing into my my greedy heart like Jesus saw through the rich young ruler. Debating an issue is one thing, but imputing heart motives is quite another, including a claim to know what is in Osteen's heart. Why do you think he is so adamant about not judging hearts? I would guess it has to do with the flack he gets, most of it pure crap, from well-meaning people like yourself.
@TheRealChikezie LOL looks like your having a lot of fun on here! Yeah, Luke 12:33 is a great verse. Yes I want wealth to further the kingdom of God and help the poor. Yeah, have and will continue to give it all away! Praise God! The wealthy young man made his god his wealth and Jesus saw right through it.
@TheRealChikezie So Prosperity is from the pit of hell? You need to read the old testament a little more. The common theme of the OT is you obey you prosper, you disobey poverty will strike and protection is gone. I would hope and pray that we have lots of wealthy Christians to help pay to spread the Gospel and help the poor. Joel does not accept a salary at Lakewood because he is wealthy. More for the Church to spread the Gospel!!!!
@Rotorcop12a you seem to want so badly for the Word of God t justify your desire for wealth. Tell me, why would Christ ask the wealthy young man to sell all of his possessions and give all the money to the poor if He desires for him to be wealthy on earth? Or has Creflo not preached on that scripture yet? Luke 12:33 holds the only true prosperity gospel. You'd be wise to heed it.
@TheRealChikezie So Jesus was poor? He had wealth since he was a baby. What do you think the wise men gave him? If he was so poor why have a treasurer? Jesus had so much wealth that Judas was able to dip into it for his own use! Jesus poor?? I don't think so.....
@Rotorcop12a Wow... Creflo strikes again. If Christ always had wealth, then tell me why his parents could only afford 2 pigeons for their offering as opposed to a lamb and 2 turtle doves. Of course they had someone who held their money! Though they barely had any at all, it only makes sense to put a single person in charge of buying any necessary food, as he did! in addition, tell me why they didn't even have 4 drachmas to pay the temple tax. Please, enlighten me. and trust, there's MUCH more...
HAHAHAHA... wow, Creflo got you good. He's convinced you that God promised that if you follow Him, you'll be rich, and it was Christ who lived a life of poverty. And please don't try all of those weak wannabe explanations of "what Jesus MEANT was ..." And how did we get from the word "prosper" to the word "riches?" Is your mind truly that depraved? Have they gotten you that good? The point is to FORGET about earthly riches and seek the Lord only!
@TheRealChikezie The twisted mind is all yours. You have excluded money from prosperity as though money itself is evil, and you lump "prosperity gospel" into one ball of wax like an indiscriminate generalist. This is total ignorance. You then label "depraved" any emphasis on faith for a blessing. You then ASSUME that people who believe GOD BLESSES HIS PEOPLE are idolatrously seeking finances above HIM. You are FULL of sick, errant judgments.
@denoinwa through your protest, you only further prove your love of money, rather than to even attempt to understand the true doctrine of prosperity, you hold onto and rabidly defend your man-made heresies. Sadly, there is nothing I can do for you, for if this is your true heart, you never desired God in the first place, and no amount of proof or exegetical reasoning will convince you otherwise. Enjoy your money.
@TheRealChikezie Your man-made heresy is your putrid tendency to judge hearts, which is the worst of kind of self exhaltation possible and a stronghold beyond logic. Enjoy your rancid religiosity.
Even if Osteen's teaching is very flawed, I'm not sure that Paul Washer is all correct here either. Although the complete Gospel has crucial bits that often clash with what lots of people like, & it doesn't change, did Paul present it to the Athenian philosophers as he would have done to Jewish people? Same Gospel, but doesn't it matter how you present it? - If people have never heard of God (from China), I don't tell them in the same way I would to people who'd grown up among Christians.
@Stevewenhuang What is being referred to is not being diplomatic or tactful within the confines of the Word. What we're talking about is dropping the Word entirely in order to make the gospel "seeker-friendly" ... or just so you can make lots of money.
@TheRealChikezie I agree with you re. Osteen, but am talking about Washer's words. He says v. dramatically that the Gospel isn't acceptable to carnal man, & contradicts man's beliefs, so people prop it up & adapt it to culture to make it more palatable. True, & Gospel contents shouldn't be changed, but Paul didn't aggressively insult people when he introduced the Gospel everyday in Athens, & missionaries to other cultures don't either - they learn how to not offend them - Col.4:6.
Joel tries to do his best to spread God's word and help others. He tries to not judge any of his brothers and sisters. But still they do. Who are you to judge him? The spirit of judgement and jealousy is not of love and God. Instead of judging another person for trying to do good, highlight his/her good sides. And if you do not agree with someone and believe he/she is wrong pray for them and ask God to handle this.
Carnal, children of Satan who come up against, ridicule, curse, this man of God, God's "called and chosen" prophet, who preaches and exposes the "deeds and works " of modern day church leaders and their followers, you'll find yourself FIGHTING GOD when you talk about him and his prophetic ministry. Godless chatter one individual writes. Read 2 Tim. 3:16-17,"ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and IS profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
of the church world, who the masses flock to. Who DO NOT preach the "full gospel", of repentance, sin, adultery, discipleship as opposed to church membership. The model church in Acts 2;41-47; 4:32-37, the blueprint of God's spirit-filled church, where the people were together in "one accord" where there was none without need. Where those who had an abundance "shared" their wealth and belonging. Can you say that about these modern day church leaders? But, that is why God sends "strong delusion"
learn not to blaspheme". Obstinate, stiff-necked "church members" who are lovers and followers of these apostate, covetous, preachers of another gospel. Ear tickling, humanistic, seeker-friendly, motivation, talented (not anointed) charismatic (pulpit pimps), with their opulent churches, praise-choirs-teams with their brand of christiantainment. The Hymenaeus' and Alexanders' are the Osteens', Jakes', Dollars' Rick Warren', Fred Prices, Eddie (downlow) Long', and a slew of other church leaders
The BIBLE says in Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the UNFRUITFUL WORKS OF DARKNESS but rather EXPOSE THEM". As the apostle admonishes in 1 Tim. 1:18-20,"This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, THAT BY THEM YOU MAY WAGE THE GOOD WARFARE, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, who I delivered to Satan that they may
Well the downfall of apostate preachers and their opulent megachurches has begun as Scripture says in 1 Peter 4:17. The Crystal Cathedral, the Schuller Church in Orange Grove,Ca has declared bankruptcy and been bought for 56 million by the Catholic Diocese of Los Angeles. Bishop Eddie Long's Church in Lithonia, GA , just paid multimillion lawsuits to 4 homosexual young men who the church leader Eddie Long had consensual sex with. God will judge Osteen and other "pulpit pimps" soon. REPENT!
Minister Washer is one who preaches the word as stated in 2nd Timothy 4:2
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Joel Olsteen needs to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and how to be saved and how to live Holy and to talk about how the Christian life is not easy and will have struggles and hard times as stated in 2nd Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
i think that Joel Osteen is more an false bootlicker than a preacher...
Look at his magazines like this above in the video... It's a false illustration of the reality of the bible... It has nothing to do with a christian magazin/book but with a comercial one... This boy is definitly in the wrong place...
In this video, Osteen says that it doesn't bother him that there are other people listening that ore of other religions. WHAT!?!? It should cut you apart that there are souls out there that will perish in Hell, and if it did, you would use your voice to convict and bring them to Christ. But that would make him unpopular which would affect his bank balance so no can do. How sad.
@cj6732 ::: Carlton Pearson was very concerned about all the souls that had never heard of Jesus, that they were going to hell. It was revealed to him in prayer that is not what happens. He then realized that when Christ came to save everyone, he did just that. He calls it the gospel of inclusion. The bible has two main flaws: 1. A perfect God does not have hatred, wrath or jealousy-He is in control and has no need for these, they are human flaws. 2. God has no torture chamber for his creation
@k0smon 2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Comparing Washer and Osteen is a behavior chronicled in 1 Cor. 1. These immature believers thought it was important to follow Paul, Cephas, Apollos, and even Christ. Paul calls this behavior carnal and fleshly. So as much as these carnal believers want to quote scripture, brag about how knowledgable they are, etc, it is what it is. Pure fleshly, ignorant, immature behavior.
There are plenty of false teachers commenting here that I would, unfortunately, consider my brothers. They are babies steeped in complete stupidity, but I would nevertheless consider them my brothers. Only God knows if their righteousness surpasses the pharisees, but it certainly looks doubtful.
I´m not siding with anyone when I´m saying that, instead of throwing rocks at a brother, we should appeal to prayer for our brother. After all, isn´t that what the Bible teaches us to do? Mine does!
@doariertat Would you consider, a false teacher your brother? Scripture does not teach that they are. I agree, we should pray for those who are lost, but they are not our "brothers". Not until they are christians. And should we not call out their false teachings, or just pray for them? Scripture tells us, all scripture is breathed out by God, and profitable for teaching, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, and training in righteousness- 2Tim 3:16.
@doariertat Would you consider, a false teacher your brother? Scripture does not teach that they are. I agree, we should pray for those who are lost, but they are not our "brothers". Not until they are christians. And should we not call out their false teachings, or just pray for them? Scripture tells us, all scripture is breathed out by God, and profitable for teaching, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, and training in righteousness- 2Tim 3:16.
@doariertat We should pray for him, but also show others that what he is preaching is NOT the truth. With such big influence he has, would you not say that if we only prayed and not pick at his false doctrines, a lot of lost sheep will continue walking down the wrong path? Anyways, i don't think that he was throwing rocks at a 'brother', it's just punches at the false 'message'. There was not a reference to the person. Do you not agree?
I agree that we should combat the message, if it´s not in line with what the Bible teaches us. However, what I don´t agree with is the method being used. Instead of sarcasm the Bible teaches us at
Galatians 6 v 1 - Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
Please forgive me if I may say that I can hardy call this ... gentleness.
And if I may, here are a few more of the Bible´s teachings:
James 4 v 11 - Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
Hosea 6 v 6 - For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
So I ask you, my brothers, would it not be more biblical to rather than having this video slandering our brother in Christ all over the Internet, to contact our brother and confront him with these issues in private? We are all prone to falling, and God teaches us to be gentle and pray for one another.
James 5 v 16 - Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
No it would not be biblical, Joel Osteen has been confronted about his ministry on many occasions in private and in small groups and yet he still uses his ministry to lead Christians astray. Matthew 18:15-17
Psalm 25 v 8-9 - Good and upright is the LORD; therefore he instructs sinners in his ways. He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them his way.
John 17 v 3 - Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I salute you all with Ephesians 6 v 23-24 - Peace to the brothers and sisters, and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.
As mentioned, my issue with this video is in its approach and method used. Using sarcasm and making fun of anyone is not the method I believe the Bible teaches us to use. At 2 Timothy chapter 2, there is a passage entitled "Dealing With False Teachers", which perhaps we should read again.
2 Timothy 2 v 24-26 - is in the passage mentioned in my previous message, entitled "Dealing With False Teachers":
And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
And in order for myself to respect the Word which teaches us to avoid godless chatter, I will leave this subject at this: that we should in all things seek wisdom from God, so that we may do His will correctly.
@doariertat the question is whether or not Joel Osteen is a true teacher or not. MY BIBLE says not to tolerate false teaching. It also says to test what is said and taught.
@doariertat The Bible also says to stay away from false teachers, and Joel obviously is one. Who thinks mormons and Christians have the same Jesus. Joel doesn't have one ounce of theology in him. He preaches contrary to what Jesus preached. Should we pray for him? yes...should people continue to listen to his lies? Nope.
@25blue24 Joel Osteen is no more a false teacher than you are. It is a lie to assume that all Mormons are strict adherents of Mormon theology and should all be judged as a group accordingly. That is foolishness, and no one who calls themself a disciple of Jesus should think such a thing. If you are so misled to believe that Osteen doesnt know the difference between Mormon and Christian theology, you are simply ignorant. Please stop spreading your lies.
@denoinwa First off, I am not a teacher. Have you not watched the interview of Joel on Larry King? Watch it. Theguy doesn't know anything! He thinks any religion, whether it be mormons, buddhists, or islam, can be saved and that "he can't judge a person's heart". If you do not have the Judeo-Christian God, then you do not have Jesus Christ, or at least the correct one. It is very important to show the distinction of each religion. Mormons DO NOT worship the God of the bible.
If you do not have the right view of who Jesus is (according to mormons Jesus is a created being, that the Father has literal flesh and bones, that God is only one of countless god's, undermines the authority of scripture,etc. I could go on. Any one who calls themselves mormons affirm these things. They have to. Otherwise they are not mormons.Joel does not know the differences between any religion. He thinks that "if there heart is good" then God will save them. The man needs to study.
@25blue24 You missed the point. It is not a matter of Mormon doctrine, it is a matter of whether or not you want to assume that all Mormons in the Mormon church believe such doctrine. Mormons also read the Bible and teach the Bible, so to assume that no Mormon has found the real Jesus is wrong. Many have done just that.
@denoinwa It seems you are trying to reconcile mormonism and christianity. You can't it's impossible. You have to assume that if someone says they are mormon, they follow mormon doctrine. They cannot call themselves mormons and not follow what the LDS teaches. Perhaps the Lord led someone away from mormonism and to christianity, but they are no where near the same, doesn't matter if they read the same book. JW's and catholics read the bible and they are just as messed up in what they teach.
@25blue24 You are assuming the same things with me as you do with Joel Osteen. Osteen's priority is to stop with the gross generalizations about who is in and who is out of the Kingdom. I understand FULLY as does Osteen that Mormon doctrine in its totality is FALSE. Your priority is to underscore doctrinal differences, while Osteen's priority is to let God decide who is in the Kingdom. That is not our job.
@denoinwa I know it's God decision who inherits the kingdom. Jesus Christ said that He is the way, truth and the life. If someone, any religion, has the wrong view of who Jesus is, then they cannot be saved (unless God opens their eyes), not matter how many good works they do. Joel needs to give biblical answers, not just side step with a sweeping statement "that's not up for me to decide", the way he uses that in context is giving the meaning, "anyone can go if they have a good heart"
@25blue24 The context of some of Osteen's comments on Mormonism had to do with honoring a Mormon's claim to have recieved Christ as saviour. Osteen said if someone makes this claim it should be honored, Mormon or not Mormon. What is the alternative? Dishonoring people in the name of correct doctrine. If you do not have intimate knowledge of a person's life or their beliefs, it is NOT appropriate to assume a person has met a false Jesus. This is the basic biblical rule of love and honor.
@denoinwa but doesn't this cause even more problems? Say Mormonism is a false doctrine and it's followers are hellbound. Should we then close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope that they make it? Or should we break down the doctrine, and be assured that these are indeed out brothers and sisters and joint heirs in salvation?
@TheRealChikezie I would certainly encourage addressing the errant doctrines of Mormonism. I would discourage the presumption that they are all unsaved. I see you have a fondness for that tendency, but I dont think you will find it helpful. Let the Holy Spirit speak to them through the Word, and where possible, relate to Mormons as individuals who are coming from a wide range of perspective. They do not all believe the official church doctrine. That might actually require relationship.
@denoinwa Please don't speak out of your ignorance again. Not only have I attended Mormon churches, but one of my closest friends as well as the best man at my wedding is a Mormon elder. My wife grew up in the mormon church, but left the church as a teen. So please, discontinue your foolishness and ask questions before you assume anything.
@doariertat According to the Word, Joel is not a Christian and therefore not my brother. In fact, by biblical definition, he is antichrist. And since when is telling the truth "throwing stones?" Should we, instead, cover up the truth and just pray that he has a change of heart while millions are deceived? I'll pray for the man, but at the same time, I will tell the truth.
@TheRealChikezie No, it is only according to your own assumptions and errant judgements that you label your brother Joel "antichrist." What you are spouting here sounds pretty antichrist to me, but you wont find me labeling you an infidel. I just think you are sincerely clueless.
@denoinwa Then, and ONLY then, will you be within God's will, and He will bestow upon you that which He set aside from you before you were even born, the riches of His Spirit and provisions necessary to further His kingdom, not YOURS. Today's "prosperity gospel" is a new evil creation of man from the pits of hell. It is a blasphemous perversion of scripture that focuses on what God is gonna give you in exchange for your obedience... as if we deserve anything at all.
"Angels of light," could just as well mean religiophobes looking to undermine the character and nature of God according to their deplorable lack of knowledge of who He is. Martyrdom is a calling of God on a person's life, but the principle of humbling oneself under God's mighty hand and being raised up by God is more often one completed in this life, not the next.
Not even people with your view would nullify Jeremiah 29:11 on the basis of context. Read the promises of prosperity and blessings ALL THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT to God's people. Read Proverbs. Financial prosperity is INCLUDED as an integral part of faith and spiritual prosperity. This is FACT, even to those who like to puff themselves up as Bible scholars. KINGDOM first is the overall principle, and "all these things will be added." If you have no faith, that is not Osteen's problem.
@denoinwa LOL, you are pathetic. Jeremiah 29 was written to the Jews, not to you. That was the Old covenant. We are in the new covenant, in case you havent figured it out yet. Financial prosperity is not a draw card to come to Christ. I am not saying, that a christian might be blessed. But it has nothing to do with his or her faith. It is by Gods own purposes. As I stated, I guess, the disciples didnt have enough faith, since they all died poor and and were martyred.
You want to throw out the entire Old Testament because it was written to Jews Mr. Bible genius? Financial prosperity is but ONE dimension of the Kingdom, and Osteen simply sees it all combined. A general principle does not negate the reality of martyrdom and other factors regarding God's Kingdom. The idea of Kingdom prosperity flies in the face of false humility and poverty thinking all concealed in religion. Religious people who object the most are often the very ones who need it.
@denoinwa Speaking with you is a waste of time. You follow mystic David Crowder, and you have not even brought any relevant scriptures to the table here. Because there are none, that pertain to what you are trying to spew. Osteen, doesnt know the gospel. I wonder if you do.
@denoinwa - It is hilarious how so-called preachers take God's Word out of context and mangle it, like we would not do even to a secular novel, and re-invent truth to suit the materialistic gluttony of human beings. People these are "preachers" who cater to itching ears and give people just what they WANT to hear AND NOT what they NEED to hear!!
And YOU know what people need? Only GOD knows what a particular person needs. It is hilarious how self righteous people ASSUME that no one benefits from a particular message taken straight from scripture. Osteen's messages are weighted heavily in goodness and faith, and THIS IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO SOME. This is a fact, and if you dont see it you need to get out more. Let the Holy Spirit be the balance and quit persecuting this man for preaching what he is called to preach.
@denoinwa I don't think anyone needs to "nullify" the Word. Especially scripture as abused as Jeremiah 29:11. Creflo LOVES that one, while he also ignores ALL of the obvious context. How about Jeremiah 29:4 that tells who this promise was made to. And any TRUE bible scholar would know that every single mention of the word "prosper" is not referring to money. People that seek riches and "prosperity" are officially OUTSIDE of God's will, according to that very same scripture!! Jeremiah 29:13,14
@TheRealChikezie Any "true" Bible scholar knows you cannot exclude currency from references to "riches" in the Bible. Do you really think Abraham's flocks and herds were anything less? Get real. Who said anything about "every single reference"? And who in the heck are you to decide that someone who believes money is part and parcel to God's favor is seeking riches MORE than God? No, it is the sick, religious mindset that separates the two and embraces a poverty spirit.
@TheRealChikezie I am content with God first, and I believe for blessings. The two ARE NOT mutually exclusive. This is EXACTLY like saying a diseased person cannot be content in God yet believe God for healing simultaneously. The fact that you cannot see this is unconscionable blindness, not to mention a VERY sad commentary on the church.
@denoinwa I keep hearing you repeat this phrase "for blessings." This would be the second time you have said it. From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. At no point in the entire bible does this phrase appear. Why? Because the Word is NOT about what you receive from God outside of salvation. But, it is indeed the primary focus of both Creflo's (ad apparently your) doctrine. PLEASE stop showing your true colors, it's becoming embarrassing.
The fact that you cannot concieve of blessing outside of idolatry shows what an absolute ignoramous you are, speaking of EMBARRASING and RIDICULOUS. At no point in the Bible does blessing appear? WHY DO YOU THINK GOD BLESSED ABRAHAM?? Have you even cracked your Bible? Go back to square one and start over, and stop projecting your stone-cold ignorance on the body of Christ. Did I ever say blessings were the goal of faith? That is YOUR STUPIDITY. Be gone and be blessed.
@denoinwa Do you know all that happened to the apostle Paul during his ministry? The lash, cat of nine tails, shipwrecks? How about the other apostles and disciples? Did ANY of them end up rich? And yet, you believe that earthly riches are something you deserve? something God values? If so, you are both a fool and a heretic and you know not God. Blessings are a wonderful by-product of faith, but in no way the goal of it. We believe because we have been so transformed by the hearing of the Word.
@denoinwa You are hardly content with God if you still want more. That is called an oxymoron. Unless you believe your faith and circumstances are in some way separate, which would be a foolish thing to assume. Can you have money? of course! Does God allow it? Of course! But if that is why you have faith, then Creflo has you more lost than you know. You want to be rich. You want money. You justify your desires with the Word. Jesus was poor. Get over it. I'm done because you can't grasp the truth.
I hope at some point you have the integrity and honesty to admit to a desire for blessing on this earth. In all of Jacob's longing for a blessing, did God ever abuse him with stupid, ridiculous accusations of greed? You have no idea who you are in Christ, and you have no idea of the nature of salvation, and YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS IN MY HEART REGARDING MY GOD WHO IS MY EXCEEDINGLY GREAT REWARD. Stop being an incorrigible, ignorant imp, and quit abusing yourself and the body of Christ.
@denoinwa Are you aware of the fact that "prosperity" did NOT refer to money in this scripture? It refers to food, shelter, fertility, and other essentials of life. Currency would only be recognized within their own community, and therefore would be null and void if made as a promise to an entire community. Please don't let Creflo Dollar and his people deceive you any longer.
If we hold to othodoxy, which is a "faith only" salvation message, we understand that the first act of repentence is turning TO Christ by faith. That is where salvation begins. Receiving the love and grace of God IS the transforming power of the gospel to all who believe. The "repent from sin first," then accept Christ, is a PERVERSION of the gospel based in LAW, and it is an approach that slams the door on salvation for many. If there are FALSE BROTHERS, they use this approach.
@denoinwa "The "repent from sin first," then accept Christ, is a PERVERSION of the gospel based in LAW, " Thats why, repentance along with faith, is a fruit of salvation, not something we do to be saved. But the command to repent and believe, still stands.
Larry King:"so what if your a muslim, will you go to heaven"? Osteen: "Well...I dont know if I believe they are wrong.... I have spent alot of time in India ...I dont know about their religion, but I know they love god". Sheesh.
@Haukman66 Are you aware that Osteen admitted that he wiffed on that one to his congregation? Peter himself gave in to Judaizers and was rebuked by Paul. Is it not possible to look at a man and think, "this guy needs correction," rather than descending into "false brother" charges? And incredibly, according to you, "false teacher" really doesnt go far enough because that just isnt false enough. Do you not see how church culture has bred an orientation of dishonor?
@denoinwa I have read Osteens book, and heard his preaching. He is not preaching the gospel. He is preaching, "come to Jesus, and your life will be better". Quit sticking up for him. He is of the teachers spoken of in 2Tim. 4:3.
@Haukman66 If your life isnt better after coming to Jesus, then you havent met Jesus. Osteen's message is, "don't settle for anything less than what God would want for your life." And NO, he is not preaching discontentment and greed. He is challenging people to BELIEVE for the best. You should quit blaspheming righteous people, and you should stop projecting SIN under every point of disagreement. You should start looking for contributions to honor and stop looking for an excuse to condemn.
@denoinwa "If your life isnt better after coming to Jesus, then you havent met Jesus. " Oh yeah, you better tell the Apostle Paul that. He spent all his time in prison, being stoned, and shipwrecked. But golly, Osteen says, we all should have a better life. FALSE!! Of course there are certain blessings God may bestow on his children, but that is never promised to us. And I am condemning a false teacher as scripture tells us to do. Read Galatians for a clue on this.
@Haukman66 It takes a real work of art to project Osteen's message of hope, faith, encouragement, daring to dream, etc. into something sinister. Unfortunately, there is a disease in the church that makes this kind of fundamental misinterpreation commonplace. Osteen says to dream a dream and trust the Lord in following that dream, and you construe it to mean an absence of difficult circumstances. There is truly something offensive about a dare to have faith, isnt there?
@denoinwa Hmm. well 2 Cor. 11:14 states even satan disguises himself as an angel of light. You are decieved, as Osteen is preaching a false gospel, which is no gospel at all.
@Haukman66 It is "the GOODNESS of God that leads to repentence." Osteen preaches the goodness and grace of God, which IS the gospel. The message of sin, damnation, and the fear of God is truth, but it is NOT the gospel. You are decieved about what constitutes the GOOD NEWS. The "scandal" is how good God is, not how damning He is.
@denoinwa LOL, how can they know what Grace is, if they dont even know they are lost?! Luke 5:31-32 says, it is not those who are well that need a physician, but the sick. And Jesus did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. So, to leave off, that people are sinners, which Joel has explicitly said, is only half of the message. Paul stated he preached the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD!
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Todd says, "You must be humbled so that God can save you." My question is, BY WHO? It is our job as believers to "humble" others so they can receive GOOD NEWS? Absolutely NOT. This is a ONE DIMENSIONAL view of salvation. Let's not consider the FACT that people come to Christ for MANY reasons, forgiveness of SIN being ONE. Let's just ASS U ME that all people need to be beat in to the Kingdom... Did Jesus confront EVERY person he met with SIN? Absolutely NOT. Follow the HOLY SPIRIT!!!!
I know what Osteen lacks in his sermons, but I don't ONLY watch his show, I go to my own church, and listen to the word my pastor has to say also. Osteen talks about uplifting things, and just that. Pastors are supposed to talk about everything, good and bad.
Paul Washer has said "Who appears at the face of a book?", watch it, it's a man, that is not the Jesus face, that is not a representative image of a man who has died at the cross to gives the life
Paul Washer ha dicho "¿Quien aparece en la portada de un libro?", míralo, es unhombre, no es el rostro de Jesucristo, no es una imagen representativa de un hombre que murió en la cruz para darnos vida
Do you wanna have a easy life and your best life now? Become an atheist... Being a christian is a waiste of time for you! Because, if you ever read the books of Shaul (Paul), you will see that being a devoted christian is NOT about your best life now and heaven on earth and that kind of crap, it's really hard to be a christian. Look at the christians who are not sure if they still live tomorrow. or at Shauls life. Yeshua Himself told that if you follow Him, you WILL be prosecuted. No easy life.
@Cocinelleify "My burden is easy and my yoke is light." --- Jesus. You need to take this up with Jesus. Joel Osteen exalts Christ, and his preaching exalts faith. That is a fact. Life is VERY DIFFICULT without faith. The message of the gospel is abundant life in the midst of difficulty. Faith is the goal, not EASY. That is your pathetic interpretation in step with Paul Washer and this well-meaning but clueless radio host.
@denoinwa No, not true. Living without faith is easy. Believe me. I lived that way. Read your bible, it;s written that believing in Yeshua is nothing but easy. Or you will tell me that Paul did something wrong, because he had a really hard life...
@Cocinelleify I quoted you the Bible. You ignored it. "My burden is easy and my yoke is light..." Take this up with Jesus, not me. The fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, JOY, AND PEACE..... This is not the fruit of a grind. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." Liberty is not LABOR...... Yes, there is perseverence, patience, and endurance. That is also Biblical. The truth is, if we give our burdens, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE, we find they are light. Read your Bible.
@denoinwa So you say Paul had it all wrong, you will say? He had a tough life, but he could have an easy life? and how about the christians who got killed because they followed YEshua? Or are in jail? Explain that to me. Didn't Yeshua say that you WILL got prossecuted because of Him? And you can take everything out of context. The bible doesn't meanyour whole life is in peace, your heart is in peace, cause you believe inHim! Praise Him in the storm we say, but do we? Mostly not.
@Cocinelleify Dont put words in my mouth, or in Osteens's.. Paul was persecuted AND had "learned to be content in both lack and in plenty." I did not say, NOR HAS OSTEEN ever said that a believer will be exempted from persecution! You are doing what this jughead radio host is doing: making ALL KINDS OF FALSE ASSUMPTIONS. Quit reading your Bible with a FALSE template, and GET OUT MORE.
@denoinwa Wow, what a kind of temper do you have... Man, getting angry at a discussion? Yes, Osteen is about having no persecution. Matter of fact, he believes in an abunded life now and a little bit of heaven on earth. He never talks about sins or about Jesus (not from what i have heard) and i bet he is as rich as all the false prophets. Sorry hun, but that's no what the bible teaches, how beautiful and how wonderful it maybe sounds.
@denoinwa God will be most glorified if you praise Him trough the darkest periodsin your life.Not when you have a big carand everything goes just fine. NO, He will be glorified the most, when you praise Him through the biggest pain of your life. When you still trust Him. Even when you lost your baby, your beloved ones died, you lose everything you have, you cant walk anymore and go on. Not when everything goes so well.
Please read your bible and watch the video of John Piper - Prosperity Gospel.
@Cocinelleify I quite AGREE with what you have said. I agree that a person can have victory in praise through dark circumstances, and SO DOES OSTEEN. You have a FALSE idea of what OSTEEN believes, and YOU HAVE A FALSE IDEA what I believe. "With presumption comes nothing but strife."
@denoinwa What you do believe, i don't know. But i know what Joel Osteen does tell us in his video's and i may judge him by his teachings. He believes in a perfect life in this world, no suffering, totally health, wealth and prosperity. You must agree that this is not a true gospel, for nowhere in the bible is written that you as christian will not suffer. But it is clear in the bible that yo will suffer as christian more than all the other people. Not only in your body, but also inside you.
@Cocinelleify most pentacostal preachers believe that Jesus will deliver you from it all and the bible teaches the same thing....many are the afflictions of a righteous man but the Lord delivers them out of them all...any way this calvinism stuff is not encouraging at all it is condemnation preaching and it is legalism and works we are to believe God to deliver us...Joel has a gift of encouragement!
@Cocinelleify how do you reckon that what Joel Osteen preaches is not of the true gospel I mean come on now he preaches about life which Jesus says that He came to give us life and y'all are doing is condemn Joel Osteen for what he preaches on Jesus didnt even condemn anyone also in Proverbs it talks about how soft words is health to the bones... all of us knows that this world hurting so why cause more pain if you have your bible when your reading this then please look up Isaiah chapter 40
@Cocinelleify Paul had HARD CIRCUMSTANCES. Paul learned to function IN THEM with "exceeding joy." READ YOUR BIBLE. Now please, please tell me where Joel Osteen has said a Christian will not face hard circumstances? YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THIS MAN, AND SO IS THIS RADIO JERK, AND SO IS PAUL WASHER. Jesus said, "I have come to give life abundantly." Once again, you need to take this up with JESUS. READ YOUR BIBLE.
@denoinwa Its about how you place that word. Jesus said indeed that He came to give life abundantly, very much life. Not abundantly life, what means having a great life. A big difference, i think. And yes, Paul learnes to live in them with very much joy, but that doesn't mean it will not happen. And nowhere does Washer tells us that you may not be happy.
LISTEN to what YAHUVEH GOD has to say about a man who said JESUS CHRIST is gay and also HE speaks about the Great Tribulation which is a breath away HE says in this link below. Repent, the Kingdom of YAH is at hand!
I think people OVERTHINK Joel!!!! He believes that if he is kind as Jesus was that GOD with do the work. What do you think he is GOD. He is drawing people in the direction of the Lord. THEN GOD WILL DO THE WORK
PW's brand of gospel, which of course is the ONLY gospel to PW, will reach a certain demographic, but that is it. It is a gospel heavy on sin awareness and repentence. Try preaching this gospel to Muslims for instance and see what this reaps. Muslims already believe they are sinners and virtually crap before God. I find it repugnant that a so-called educated person like Washer cannot distinguish between "another gospel" and simply approaching people differently with the same gospel.
@denoinwa No, the message of Osteen is great... All about wealth, money and good life. Than i'm doing something so wrong, i have none of them. Osteens gospel is false. I NEVER heard him quoting a verse from the bible. He believes in a sweet Jesus, which is your best buddy. Since when is the real Yeshua a sweet buddy? Isn't the gospel about that you are a sinner and you MUST repents your sins? Lay down yourown life and praise God, through EVERYTHING? Ofcourse it is. You can read that in the bible
Paul Washer in context is a man doing his best to deal with cultural Christianity in the Southern Baptist denomination. He has a one dimensional mission to awaken people of the seriousness of sin and to bring a sense of urgency for people to discover their own salvation. Insofar as this context extends to American Christianity, that is where Washer is relevant, but a "shock jock" ministry has its limitations, and Washer's are gapping. A message of fear does not water or empower.
@denoinwa you're right. after having first opened my eyes to the truth of Jesus, his message doesn't help me grow past that, but yet other's preaching would help do that. regardless, it is a preaching that is well needed in america today.
@denoinwa I respectfully must disagree, I was given a violent shove into the Kingdom through his ministry, for there are those of us to whom he speaks directly... and if the sandal fits, who are we to despise or deny the Foot Locker attendant? Many more will walk away before receive it, the malady is with us, not the message or the messenger. Sincerely, a watered and empowered, convert through the Shocking Youth Sermon of Paul Washer.
@CrucifiedKing "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Proverbs 9:10. Why do you seek to divide the gospel? The division of law, judgment, and sin from love, mercy, and grace is why this country boasts an 83% Christian population, and is yet the most immoral and ungodly country in the history, and on the face, of the earth. I love Jesus, and in His entirety, not just the parts that are easy to swallow. God be with you my friend.
@CrucifiedKing LISTEN to what YAHUVEH GOD has to say about a man who said JESUS CHRIST is gay and also HE speaks about the Great Tribulation which is a breath away HE says in this link below. Repent, the Kingdom of YAH is at hand!
@CrucifiedKing Washer thinks it is more important to preach SIN than to preach Christ, as if no one can receive Jesus without being pounded to dust first. There is no faith in the HOLY SPIRIT to do His work except by a good, sound Bible beating. PW, however, does preach Christ, and I will not pull a Paul Washer and CLASSIFY people as false teachers based on a disgreement as to how the cross is to be preached. He is probably driving away 9 for every one he reaches, but I leave him to God.
@denoinwa Jesus healed 10 lepers but only came back...let´s assume that what you say its true that he drives away 9 for every one he reaches...but that ONE will be a solid christian, ready to resemble Jesus with his life. God Bless you bro.
@Frankcr001 It is obvious PW has a heart for true conversions, which I can applaud. God is an opportunist and will use a person anyway He can. There are MANY broken people who fully understand their sinfulness, imperfections, and struggle constantly with a lack of worth. Paul Washer will not reach these people, nor does he have any understand whatsoever of these people. "Teaching people to despise themselves" is not the gospel. Its really ridiculous how this is lauded as gospel at all.
@denoinwa I agree. Christians tearing down other Christians must make the enemy laugh himself senseless.
I agree, I abhor PW's contempt for some lovers of Jesus who try to win others to Christ, but since he preaches Christ crucified, I would never want to tear down his ministry or slander him. We should give him the grace he denies others.
@patty7beth Amen. It is pretty sad how people accuse a person of not preaching a harsh message, then judge his motive as money grubbing. This is a watermark for where much of the church is today. The TRUTH? These people treat "sinners" who dont know Christ just like they treat their brother Osteen. God have mercy on them for shutting the door to the Kingdom in the face of many people.
@denoinwa Osteen is not a "brother", he is a false teacher. He doesnt even know the gospel. Makes you wonder, why the cross is not even displayed in his church. Its because he doesnt preach Christ crucified. God has a wonderful plan for your life? Where is that in the bible?
@Haukman66 You are WRONG. He DOES preach Christ crucified. Not enough for you? SO WHAT. Get over it.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
@denoinwa "He DOES preach Christ crucified. Not enough for you? SO WHAT. Get over it." Yep, your attitude shows, you probably dont even know the gospel yourself. And I asked you to show one verse that says God has a wonderful plan for your life, and you used Jeremiah 29:11? You ever look at who those words are written to? Not to you. It was written to the exiles whom God sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon. (vs. 4) So, unless you have spent time in Babylon recently, its not to you.
@Haukman66 I guess you dont get that you can explain away most of the Bible by comparing contexts and finding one not exactly like the other. This is the Word. All of us who believe have come out of Babylon. You are leaving grace out of the GOOD NEWS, and the GOOD NEWS is grace extended to all of humanity. And you think you have an inside track to the meaning of gospel? I think not.
@denoinwa Again, you are showing your severe lack of biblical knowledge. The verses do all have a context, in which you took that verse WAY out of context. If God has a wonderful plan to prosper everyone, I wonder why all the disciples were tortured, and martyred? And also why Jesus told his disciples, that they would be persecuted, because no student is better than his teacher. Again, Osteens gospel, is no gospel at all. He never ever even uses the word SIN!
@Haukman66 Not even people with your view would nullify Jeremiah 29:11 on the basis of context. It is you who is ignorant. Read the Old Testament. Trace the favor and blessing of God from the promises of Abraham and throughout. Read the promises of prosperity and blessings ALL THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT to God's people. Proverbs does not distinguish between spiritual and physical prosperity. The heart of God is to prosper His people in every dimension of life in His time.
OSTEEN DOES NOT PREACH AGAINST SIN...EVER HEARD HIM SAY "REPENT?" IN HIS SERMONS? EVER HEARD HIM WARN LOST MANKIND OF HELL? EVER HEARD HIM PREACH THAT SINNERS ARE GOING TO HELL? NO........HE IS A FALSE PROPHET AND DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE HIS CHURCH MILLIONS BY OFFENDING HIS CONGREGATION....OFFEND? HE CARES MORE ABOUT HIS MONEY AND STATUS THAN SERVING JESUS AND PREACHING THE TRUTH. FALSE PROPHET!
@justcruzzinn You are absolutely correct. Remember Matthew 24:4 clearly says that don't be deceived. Osteen is leading many Christian people astray. I feel sorry for those who fall for his messages. Person like Osteen is the one the Bible has warned about. If you listen to his massages, there is no Christ. His messages are not about GOD at all. All of his messages are man-centered. He's not a pastor who preaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He should have been a motivational speaker.
@kahngskp thanks for the confirmation of these false prophets..You know, it is amazing that mankind continues to follow "men" and not "GOD." GOD GIVES US HIS WORD: THE BIBLE...AND WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GUIDE US..AND WITH "PRAYER" WE HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH GOD ALMIGHTY...SO, WE HAVE HIS "WORD," HIS "HOLY SPIRIT," AND "GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF THROUGH DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH PRAYER." BUT, yet the millions and millions look to Joel and other false prophets for direction...amazing
the gospel takes all of five minutes to tell someone and 98% of the people in the world are already familiar with it. Joel is providing encouragement and helpful advice and witnessing. Joel is about the only preacher I can tolerate on TV. The rest are really all whack jobs. The way most preachers carry on about Jesus you'd think the Gospel (that by the way for those who forgot, means Good News) was the worst news in the world.Thank God for Joel. Paul is a total nut job, sorry, but he is.
@blessedwithoutmeasur I have heard osteen over and over...he is the "smiling" preacher....He will NOT offend his congregation. That is why on Larry King Live he opened and made sure that he would NOT preach against sin. He didn't want to offend...Why do you think he has every person buying YES BUYING TICKETS TO HIS CHURCH SERVICES? because he wants as much MONEY as possible. HE IS AN ABOMINATION. HE WILL ANSWER TO GOD ALMIGHTY. BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS. HE IS THE KING OF THEM ALL!
@justcruzzinn as you also will stand before God ,we all will!!!!! joel isn't afraid to stand before God Are You? the reation should be no we are justified before God because of what Jesus did on the cross!!!!
@blessedwithoutmeasur Yes, you must be "born again" to enter the kingdom of heaven...Joel doesn't appear by His SPEECH AND ACTIONS to be "born again."
Did you even WATCH the larry King interview? Obviously you DID NOT....If you DID, you would see the Wolf inside the sheeps clothing...WAKE UP PEOPLE. STOP DEFENDING THIS COWARDLY MAN WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY...YOU CAN CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HIM JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS DO....OR YOU CAN CHOOSE TO FOLLOW JESUS ALONE. ITS YOUR CHOICE
@justcruzzinn yes you must be born again , and yes joel osteen is born of God through grace by faith, no man is just by there own , , if you are a judge and God chose you to Judge no one would get to heaven , but on the other hand God knows the heart of man he judges joel a faithfull man, he also said that a man is justified not by the works of the law but by faith, for no man is justified by the works of the law for he has fallen from grace, thats in galations
@blessedwithoutmeasur I am NOT a judge of Joel...Just warning from the FACTS of what he preaches and DOESN'T preach. I am a voice in the wilderness. Thats all........and good old Joel stated what he believes is the ticket to heaven right on Larry King Live before millions on TV...So, I am very thankful that good old Joel stated his beliefs, and how he "interprets" Gods Words.......It was Point Blank...AND, he did the believers in Christ a HUGE favor by clarifying his anti-christian beliefs.
I'm not a supporter of Joel Osteen, but let me say this.. What is the difference between Joel and Paul? One focuses on teaching of Jesus and the other focuses on teaching people about men who are suspected to be tools of Satan. Seriously, will Paul, for once, shut up about bashing other people that he doesn't agree with, and just talking about Jesus alone. That guy seems to be more zealous about attacking others who don't believe like him, then teaching people to be like Jesus. He needs a hug..
@MissedTheMark Paul teaches obedience to God's word. Joel does not teach that. What makes Paul difficult to listen to is that he teaches the difficulties of the Bible, which fewer and fewer are doing that. I for one do not want him to shut up but rather continue proclaiming the truth. Do not preachers who have so watered down the message that you cannot tell if you are at a church sermon or a motivational talk need to be called out?
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AprilandWayneShow 4 days ago
I just find it AMAZING how people claim the high road to revelation as a strategy for talking about the issues surrounding Osteen, and then go about exposing themselves as the opposite of who they claim to be. What is very sad in the church today is the culture of dishonor, and I will admit it is very difficult to honor those given to dishonor. People, please talk objectively here about the issues and try to refrain from enthroning yourself as God who knows the hearts of people.
denoinwa 6 days ago
No Man can Come to Jesus by hearing men talk bible.Thats NOT Preaching its Parroting the bible and its dead.These men teach from their lord whos NOT Jesus but another.Only by The Spirit can you know these from the True.Get alone w/Jesus and shut yourself in w/Him.Stop particapating in dead religion you finance.Your as guilty as these frauds if you do.Trust Jesus to reveal Himself to you IF you truly wana Know Him.If not, just keep playing church w/these pretenders.Jesus is able, ask Him.
randywatchingbush 6 days ago
Why do otherwise intelligent adults flock to these motivational speakers who both claim to be represenitives of God so totally delude these people? Jesus did NOT Teach Prosrerity or positive energy.Neither did Jesus teach or suggest that we would be given bibles to know who Jesus is.Jesus cant be "known" apart from devine revelation of Him by The Spirit of Truth. and Yes, thats in your bible.What you Need is a relationship w/Jesus, not knowledge of the bible.Todays"Church"aint Church.
randywatchingbush 6 days ago
@demoinwa Joel Osteen will be attacked because he has the largest church in the US. I like Joel and our church is connected with his. Joel will be here Feb. 3 in Hawaii. I have looked into many accusations about Joel but all are baseless as far as I am concerned. Many would disagree with me but the only judge that matters is the Lord. Everyone should worry about themselves and follow after the Holy Spirit.
Rotorcop12a 1 week ago
@Rotorcop12a Well, cool. I apologize for misunderstanding you. I dont follow Osteen much, but I do believe he is grounded in the GOODNESS of God, which I believe to be the main cause of persecution toward him. There is a growing division in the church today centered entirely on the GOODNESS of God. It is really ironic how people like Washer see persecution as affirmation and then go and persecute people like Osteen. Cherio.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@demoinwa What are you talking about? LOL! sorry I am not judging you. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE MONEY FOR KINGDOM PURPOSES. LOL! Are you responding to the right person? Maybe you can explain what I wrote to you because I don't understand. I don't even remember responding to you. ????
Rotorcop12a 1 week ago
@Rotorcop12a Okay, I thought you were siding with the person I have been going on with, commending him for seeing into my my greedy heart like Jesus saw through the rich young ruler. Debating an issue is one thing, but imputing heart motives is quite another, including a claim to know what is in Osteen's heart. Why do you think he is so adamant about not judging hearts? I would guess it has to do with the flack he gets, most of it pure crap, from well-meaning people like yourself.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie LOL looks like your having a lot of fun on here! Yeah, Luke 12:33 is a great verse. Yes I want wealth to further the kingdom of God and help the poor. Yeah, have and will continue to give it all away! Praise God! The wealthy young man made his god his wealth and Jesus saw right through it.
Rotorcop12a 1 week ago
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denoinwa 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie So Prosperity is from the pit of hell? You need to read the old testament a little more. The common theme of the OT is you obey you prosper, you disobey poverty will strike and protection is gone. I would hope and pray that we have lots of wealthy Christians to help pay to spread the Gospel and help the poor. Joel does not accept a salary at Lakewood because he is wealthy. More for the Church to spread the Gospel!!!!
Rotorcop12a 1 week ago
@Rotorcop12a you seem to want so badly for the Word of God t justify your desire for wealth. Tell me, why would Christ ask the wealthy young man to sell all of his possessions and give all the money to the poor if He desires for him to be wealthy on earth? Or has Creflo not preached on that scripture yet? Luke 12:33 holds the only true prosperity gospel. You'd be wise to heed it.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie So Jesus was poor? He had wealth since he was a baby. What do you think the wise men gave him? If he was so poor why have a treasurer? Jesus had so much wealth that Judas was able to dip into it for his own use! Jesus poor?? I don't think so.....
Rotorcop12a 1 week ago
@Rotorcop12a Wow... Creflo strikes again. If Christ always had wealth, then tell me why his parents could only afford 2 pigeons for their offering as opposed to a lamb and 2 turtle doves. Of course they had someone who held their money! Though they barely had any at all, it only makes sense to put a single person in charge of buying any necessary food, as he did! in addition, tell me why they didn't even have 4 drachmas to pay the temple tax. Please, enlighten me. and trust, there's MUCH more...
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
HAHAHAHA... wow, Creflo got you good. He's convinced you that God promised that if you follow Him, you'll be rich, and it was Christ who lived a life of poverty. And please don't try all of those weak wannabe explanations of "what Jesus MEANT was ..." And how did we get from the word "prosper" to the word "riches?" Is your mind truly that depraved? Have they gotten you that good? The point is to FORGET about earthly riches and seek the Lord only!
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie The twisted mind is all yours. You have excluded money from prosperity as though money itself is evil, and you lump "prosperity gospel" into one ball of wax like an indiscriminate generalist. This is total ignorance. You then label "depraved" any emphasis on faith for a blessing. You then ASSUME that people who believe GOD BLESSES HIS PEOPLE are idolatrously seeking finances above HIM. You are FULL of sick, errant judgments.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@denoinwa through your protest, you only further prove your love of money, rather than to even attempt to understand the true doctrine of prosperity, you hold onto and rabidly defend your man-made heresies. Sadly, there is nothing I can do for you, for if this is your true heart, you never desired God in the first place, and no amount of proof or exegetical reasoning will convince you otherwise. Enjoy your money.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie Your man-made heresy is your putrid tendency to judge hearts, which is the worst of kind of self exhaltation possible and a stronghold beyond logic. Enjoy your rancid religiosity.
denoinwa 1 week ago
Even if Osteen's teaching is very flawed, I'm not sure that Paul Washer is all correct here either. Although the complete Gospel has crucial bits that often clash with what lots of people like, & it doesn't change, did Paul present it to the Athenian philosophers as he would have done to Jewish people? Same Gospel, but doesn't it matter how you present it? - If people have never heard of God (from China), I don't tell them in the same way I would to people who'd grown up among Christians.
Stevewenhuang 1 month ago in playlist Joel Osteen - Another Gospel, Another Jesus ?
@Stevewenhuang What is being referred to is not being diplomatic or tactful within the confines of the Word. What we're talking about is dropping the Word entirely in order to make the gospel "seeker-friendly" ... or just so you can make lots of money.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie I agree with you re. Osteen, but am talking about Washer's words. He says v. dramatically that the Gospel isn't acceptable to carnal man, & contradicts man's beliefs, so people prop it up & adapt it to culture to make it more palatable. True, & Gospel contents shouldn't be changed, but Paul didn't aggressively insult people when he introduced the Gospel everyday in Athens, & missionaries to other cultures don't either - they learn how to not offend them - Col.4:6.
Stevewenhuang 1 week ago
Joel tries to do his best to spread God's word and help others. He tries to not judge any of his brothers and sisters. But still they do. Who are you to judge him? The spirit of judgement and jealousy is not of love and God. Instead of judging another person for trying to do good, highlight his/her good sides. And if you do not agree with someone and believe he/she is wrong pray for them and ask God to handle this.
royalsteven 2 months ago
Carnal, children of Satan who come up against, ridicule, curse, this man of God, God's "called and chosen" prophet, who preaches and exposes the "deeds and works " of modern day church leaders and their followers, you'll find yourself FIGHTING GOD when you talk about him and his prophetic ministry. Godless chatter one individual writes. Read 2 Tim. 3:16-17,"ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and IS profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
truth1disciple 2 months ago
of the church world, who the masses flock to. Who DO NOT preach the "full gospel", of repentance, sin, adultery, discipleship as opposed to church membership. The model church in Acts 2;41-47; 4:32-37, the blueprint of God's spirit-filled church, where the people were together in "one accord" where there was none without need. Where those who had an abundance "shared" their wealth and belonging. Can you say that about these modern day church leaders? But, that is why God sends "strong delusion"
truth1disciple 2 months ago
learn not to blaspheme". Obstinate, stiff-necked "church members" who are lovers and followers of these apostate, covetous, preachers of another gospel. Ear tickling, humanistic, seeker-friendly, motivation, talented (not anointed) charismatic (pulpit pimps), with their opulent churches, praise-choirs-teams with their brand of christiantainment. The Hymenaeus' and Alexanders' are the Osteens', Jakes', Dollars' Rick Warren', Fred Prices, Eddie (downlow) Long', and a slew of other church leaders
truth1disciple 2 months ago
The BIBLE says in Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the UNFRUITFUL WORKS OF DARKNESS but rather EXPOSE THEM". As the apostle admonishes in 1 Tim. 1:18-20,"This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, THAT BY THEM YOU MAY WAGE THE GOOD WARFARE, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, who I delivered to Satan that they may
truth1disciple 2 months ago
Well the downfall of apostate preachers and their opulent megachurches has begun as Scripture says in 1 Peter 4:17. The Crystal Cathedral, the Schuller Church in Orange Grove,Ca has declared bankruptcy and been bought for 56 million by the Catholic Diocese of Los Angeles. Bishop Eddie Long's Church in Lithonia, GA , just paid multimillion lawsuits to 4 homosexual young men who the church leader Eddie Long had consensual sex with. God will judge Osteen and other "pulpit pimps" soon. REPENT!
truth1disciple 2 months ago
Minister Washer is one who preaches the word as stated in 2nd Timothy 4:2
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Joel Olsteen needs to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and how to be saved and how to live Holy and to talk about how the Christian life is not easy and will have struggles and hard times as stated in 2nd Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
jddrew1000 2 months ago
youtu(DOT)be/9IFVo8FOjpk
BEWARE of Faulty Doctrine! You MUST watch this video and share it with your friends!
andrecookhi5 3 months ago
i think that Joel Osteen is more an false bootlicker than a preacher...
Look at his magazines like this above in the video... It's a false illustration of the reality of the bible... It has nothing to do with a christian magazin/book but with a comercial one... This boy is definitly in the wrong place...
Paul Washer is a real preacher
peri0603 3 months ago
In this video, Osteen says that it doesn't bother him that there are other people listening that ore of other religions. WHAT!?!? It should cut you apart that there are souls out there that will perish in Hell, and if it did, you would use your voice to convict and bring them to Christ. But that would make him unpopular which would affect his bank balance so no can do. How sad.
cj6732 4 months ago
@cj6732 ::: Carlton Pearson was very concerned about all the souls that had never heard of Jesus, that they were going to hell. It was revealed to him in prayer that is not what happens. He then realized that when Christ came to save everyone, he did just that. He calls it the gospel of inclusion. The bible has two main flaws: 1. A perfect God does not have hatred, wrath or jealousy-He is in control and has no need for these, they are human flaws. 2. God has no torture chamber for his creation
k0smon 3 months ago
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@k0smon Nice theory, but it contradicts the Bible, so either you don't know the Bible, or you don't believe it.
cj6732 3 months ago
@k0smon 2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
cj6732 3 months ago 2
@cj6732 good one!!! you hit the nail on the head!!!
desamania 3 months ago
Comparing Washer and Osteen is a behavior chronicled in 1 Cor. 1. These immature believers thought it was important to follow Paul, Cephas, Apollos, and even Christ. Paul calls this behavior carnal and fleshly. So as much as these carnal believers want to quote scripture, brag about how knowledgable they are, etc, it is what it is. Pure fleshly, ignorant, immature behavior.
denoinwa 4 months ago
There are plenty of false teachers commenting here that I would, unfortunately, consider my brothers. They are babies steeped in complete stupidity, but I would nevertheless consider them my brothers. Only God knows if their righteousness surpasses the pharisees, but it certainly looks doubtful.
denoinwa 4 months ago 2
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denoinwa 4 months ago
i dont know why theres ''VS'' because for us that are saved know the truth so its so clear .paul washer is a mighty man of god
1JOHNBOY213 4 months ago
@1JOHNBOY213 ::: Yes, Washer is 'mighty' negative.
k0smon 3 months ago
todd friel
1JOHNBOY213 4 months ago
I´m not siding with anyone when I´m saying that, instead of throwing rocks at a brother, we should appeal to prayer for our brother. After all, isn´t that what the Bible teaches us to do? Mine does!
doariertat 4 months ago 11
@doariertat Would you consider, a false teacher your brother? Scripture does not teach that they are. I agree, we should pray for those who are lost, but they are not our "brothers". Not until they are christians. And should we not call out their false teachings, or just pray for them? Scripture tells us, all scripture is breathed out by God, and profitable for teaching, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, and training in righteousness- 2Tim 3:16.
Haukman66 4 months ago
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@doariertat Would you consider, a false teacher your brother? Scripture does not teach that they are. I agree, we should pray for those who are lost, but they are not our "brothers". Not until they are christians. And should we not call out their false teachings, or just pray for them? Scripture tells us, all scripture is breathed out by God, and profitable for teaching, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, and training in righteousness- 2Tim 3:16.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@doariertat We should pray for him, but also show others that what he is preaching is NOT the truth. With such big influence he has, would you not say that if we only prayed and not pick at his false doctrines, a lot of lost sheep will continue walking down the wrong path? Anyways, i don't think that he was throwing rocks at a 'brother', it's just punches at the false 'message'. There was not a reference to the person. Do you not agree?
Clarium 3 months ago
@Clarium
I agree that we should combat the message, if it´s not in line with what the Bible teaches us. However, what I don´t agree with is the method being used. Instead of sarcasm the Bible teaches us at
Galatians 6 v 1 - Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
Please forgive me if I may say that I can hardy call this ... gentleness.
doariertat 3 months ago
@Clarium
And if I may, here are a few more of the Bible´s teachings:
James 4 v 11 - Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
Hosea 6 v 6 - For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
1 Corinthians 16 v 14 - Do everything in love.
doariertat 3 months ago
@Clarium
So I ask you, my brothers, would it not be more biblical to rather than having this video slandering our brother in Christ all over the Internet, to contact our brother and confront him with these issues in private? We are all prone to falling, and God teaches us to be gentle and pray for one another.
James 5 v 16 - Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
doariertat 3 months ago 2
@doariertat
No it would not be biblical, Joel Osteen has been confronted about his ministry on many occasions in private and in small groups and yet he still uses his ministry to lead Christians astray. Matthew 18:15-17
edspy000 2 months ago
@Clarium
Psalm 25 v 8-9 - Good and upright is the LORD; therefore he instructs sinners in his ways. He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them his way.
John 17 v 3 - Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I salute you all with Ephesians 6 v 23-24 - Peace to the brothers and sisters, and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.
doariertat 3 months ago 2
@doariertat Throwing rocks?? Judging in truth is not throwing rocks. It's required to those who stand up right before God.
ARMYFIRE777 2 months ago
@ARMYFIRE777
As mentioned, my issue with this video is in its approach and method used. Using sarcasm and making fun of anyone is not the method I believe the Bible teaches us to use. At 2 Timothy chapter 2, there is a passage entitled "Dealing With False Teachers", which perhaps we should read again.
doariertat 2 months ago
@ARMYFIRE777
2 Timothy 2 v 24-26 - is in the passage mentioned in my previous message, entitled "Dealing With False Teachers":
And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
doariertat 2 months ago
@ARMYFIRE777
And in order for myself to respect the Word which teaches us to avoid godless chatter, I will leave this subject at this: that we should in all things seek wisdom from God, so that we may do His will correctly.
Be blessed!
doariertat 2 months ago
@doariertat the question is whether or not Joel Osteen is a true teacher or not. MY BIBLE says not to tolerate false teaching. It also says to test what is said and taught.
kreezy22 2 months ago
@doariertat The Bible also says to stay away from false teachers, and Joel obviously is one. Who thinks mormons and Christians have the same Jesus. Joel doesn't have one ounce of theology in him. He preaches contrary to what Jesus preached. Should we pray for him? yes...should people continue to listen to his lies? Nope.
25blue24 2 months ago
@25blue24 Joel Osteen is no more a false teacher than you are. It is a lie to assume that all Mormons are strict adherents of Mormon theology and should all be judged as a group accordingly. That is foolishness, and no one who calls themself a disciple of Jesus should think such a thing. If you are so misled to believe that Osteen doesnt know the difference between Mormon and Christian theology, you are simply ignorant. Please stop spreading your lies.
denoinwa 2 months ago
@denoinwa First off, I am not a teacher. Have you not watched the interview of Joel on Larry King? Watch it. Theguy doesn't know anything! He thinks any religion, whether it be mormons, buddhists, or islam, can be saved and that "he can't judge a person's heart". If you do not have the Judeo-Christian God, then you do not have Jesus Christ, or at least the correct one. It is very important to show the distinction of each religion. Mormons DO NOT worship the God of the bible.
25blue24 2 months ago
If you do not have the right view of who Jesus is (according to mormons Jesus is a created being, that the Father has literal flesh and bones, that God is only one of countless god's, undermines the authority of scripture,etc. I could go on. Any one who calls themselves mormons affirm these things. They have to. Otherwise they are not mormons.Joel does not know the differences between any religion. He thinks that "if there heart is good" then God will save them. The man needs to study.
25blue24 2 months ago
@25blue24 You missed the point. It is not a matter of Mormon doctrine, it is a matter of whether or not you want to assume that all Mormons in the Mormon church believe such doctrine. Mormons also read the Bible and teach the Bible, so to assume that no Mormon has found the real Jesus is wrong. Many have done just that.
denoinwa 2 months ago
@denoinwa It seems you are trying to reconcile mormonism and christianity. You can't it's impossible. You have to assume that if someone says they are mormon, they follow mormon doctrine. They cannot call themselves mormons and not follow what the LDS teaches. Perhaps the Lord led someone away from mormonism and to christianity, but they are no where near the same, doesn't matter if they read the same book. JW's and catholics read the bible and they are just as messed up in what they teach.
25blue24 2 months ago
@25blue24 You are assuming the same things with me as you do with Joel Osteen. Osteen's priority is to stop with the gross generalizations about who is in and who is out of the Kingdom. I understand FULLY as does Osteen that Mormon doctrine in its totality is FALSE. Your priority is to underscore doctrinal differences, while Osteen's priority is to let God decide who is in the Kingdom. That is not our job.
denoinwa 2 months ago 2
@denoinwa I know it's God decision who inherits the kingdom. Jesus Christ said that He is the way, truth and the life. If someone, any religion, has the wrong view of who Jesus is, then they cannot be saved (unless God opens their eyes), not matter how many good works they do. Joel needs to give biblical answers, not just side step with a sweeping statement "that's not up for me to decide", the way he uses that in context is giving the meaning, "anyone can go if they have a good heart"
25blue24 2 months ago
@25blue24 The context of some of Osteen's comments on Mormonism had to do with honoring a Mormon's claim to have recieved Christ as saviour. Osteen said if someone makes this claim it should be honored, Mormon or not Mormon. What is the alternative? Dishonoring people in the name of correct doctrine. If you do not have intimate knowledge of a person's life or their beliefs, it is NOT appropriate to assume a person has met a false Jesus. This is the basic biblical rule of love and honor.
denoinwa 1 month ago
@denoinwa but doesn't this cause even more problems? Say Mormonism is a false doctrine and it's followers are hellbound. Should we then close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope that they make it? Or should we break down the doctrine, and be assured that these are indeed out brothers and sisters and joint heirs in salvation?
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie I would certainly encourage addressing the errant doctrines of Mormonism. I would discourage the presumption that they are all unsaved. I see you have a fondness for that tendency, but I dont think you will find it helpful. Let the Holy Spirit speak to them through the Word, and where possible, relate to Mormons as individuals who are coming from a wide range of perspective. They do not all believe the official church doctrine. That might actually require relationship.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@denoinwa Please don't speak out of your ignorance again. Not only have I attended Mormon churches, but one of my closest friends as well as the best man at my wedding is a Mormon elder. My wife grew up in the mormon church, but left the church as a teen. So please, discontinue your foolishness and ask questions before you assume anything.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@doariertat According to the Word, Joel is not a Christian and therefore not my brother. In fact, by biblical definition, he is antichrist. And since when is telling the truth "throwing stones?" Should we, instead, cover up the truth and just pray that he has a change of heart while millions are deceived? I'll pray for the man, but at the same time, I will tell the truth.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie No, it is only according to your own assumptions and errant judgements that you label your brother Joel "antichrist." What you are spouting here sounds pretty antichrist to me, but you wont find me labeling you an infidel. I just think you are sincerely clueless.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@denoinwa Then, and ONLY then, will you be within God's will, and He will bestow upon you that which He set aside from you before you were even born, the riches of His Spirit and provisions necessary to further His kingdom, not YOURS. Today's "prosperity gospel" is a new evil creation of man from the pits of hell. It is a blasphemous perversion of scripture that focuses on what God is gonna give you in exchange for your obedience... as if we deserve anything at all.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
"Angels of light," could just as well mean religiophobes looking to undermine the character and nature of God according to their deplorable lack of knowledge of who He is. Martyrdom is a calling of God on a person's life, but the principle of humbling oneself under God's mighty hand and being raised up by God is more often one completed in this life, not the next.
denoinwa 4 months ago
Not even people with your view would nullify Jeremiah 29:11 on the basis of context. Read the promises of prosperity and blessings ALL THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT to God's people. Read Proverbs. Financial prosperity is INCLUDED as an integral part of faith and spiritual prosperity. This is FACT, even to those who like to puff themselves up as Bible scholars. KINGDOM first is the overall principle, and "all these things will be added." If you have no faith, that is not Osteen's problem.
denoinwa 4 months ago 11
@denoinwa LOL, you are pathetic. Jeremiah 29 was written to the Jews, not to you. That was the Old covenant. We are in the new covenant, in case you havent figured it out yet. Financial prosperity is not a draw card to come to Christ. I am not saying, that a christian might be blessed. But it has nothing to do with his or her faith. It is by Gods own purposes. As I stated, I guess, the disciples didnt have enough faith, since they all died poor and and were martyred.
Haukman66 4 months ago
You want to throw out the entire Old Testament because it was written to Jews Mr. Bible genius? Financial prosperity is but ONE dimension of the Kingdom, and Osteen simply sees it all combined. A general principle does not negate the reality of martyrdom and other factors regarding God's Kingdom. The idea of Kingdom prosperity flies in the face of false humility and poverty thinking all concealed in religion. Religious people who object the most are often the very ones who need it.
denoinwa 4 months ago 2
@denoinwa Speaking with you is a waste of time. You follow mystic David Crowder, and you have not even brought any relevant scriptures to the table here. Because there are none, that pertain to what you are trying to spew. Osteen, doesnt know the gospel. I wonder if you do.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@denoinwa - It is hilarious how so-called preachers take God's Word out of context and mangle it, like we would not do even to a secular novel, and re-invent truth to suit the materialistic gluttony of human beings. People these are "preachers" who cater to itching ears and give people just what they WANT to hear AND NOT what they NEED to hear!!
srilankan59 2 months ago
And YOU know what people need? Only GOD knows what a particular person needs. It is hilarious how self righteous people ASSUME that no one benefits from a particular message taken straight from scripture. Osteen's messages are weighted heavily in goodness and faith, and THIS IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO SOME. This is a fact, and if you dont see it you need to get out more. Let the Holy Spirit be the balance and quit persecuting this man for preaching what he is called to preach.
denoinwa 2 months ago
@denoinwa I don't think anyone needs to "nullify" the Word. Especially scripture as abused as Jeremiah 29:11. Creflo LOVES that one, while he also ignores ALL of the obvious context. How about Jeremiah 29:4 that tells who this promise was made to. And any TRUE bible scholar would know that every single mention of the word "prosper" is not referring to money. People that seek riches and "prosperity" are officially OUTSIDE of God's will, according to that very same scripture!! Jeremiah 29:13,14
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie Any "true" Bible scholar knows you cannot exclude currency from references to "riches" in the Bible. Do you really think Abraham's flocks and herds were anything less? Get real. Who said anything about "every single reference"? And who in the heck are you to decide that someone who believes money is part and parcel to God's favor is seeking riches MORE than God? No, it is the sick, religious mindset that separates the two and embraces a poverty spirit.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@denoinwa If God gave you only what you needed, would you consider that poverty or prosperity? Simple question.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@TheRealChikezie I am content with God first, and I believe for blessings. The two ARE NOT mutually exclusive. This is EXACTLY like saying a diseased person cannot be content in God yet believe God for healing simultaneously. The fact that you cannot see this is unconscionable blindness, not to mention a VERY sad commentary on the church.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@denoinwa I keep hearing you repeat this phrase "for blessings." This would be the second time you have said it. From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. At no point in the entire bible does this phrase appear. Why? Because the Word is NOT about what you receive from God outside of salvation. But, it is indeed the primary focus of both Creflo's (ad apparently your) doctrine. PLEASE stop showing your true colors, it's becoming embarrassing.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
The fact that you cannot concieve of blessing outside of idolatry shows what an absolute ignoramous you are, speaking of EMBARRASING and RIDICULOUS. At no point in the Bible does blessing appear? WHY DO YOU THINK GOD BLESSED ABRAHAM?? Have you even cracked your Bible? Go back to square one and start over, and stop projecting your stone-cold ignorance on the body of Christ. Did I ever say blessings were the goal of faith? That is YOUR STUPIDITY. Be gone and be blessed.
denoinwa 1 week ago
@denoinwa Do you know all that happened to the apostle Paul during his ministry? The lash, cat of nine tails, shipwrecks? How about the other apostles and disciples? Did ANY of them end up rich? And yet, you believe that earthly riches are something you deserve? something God values? If so, you are both a fool and a heretic and you know not God. Blessings are a wonderful by-product of faith, but in no way the goal of it. We believe because we have been so transformed by the hearing of the Word.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
@denoinwa You are hardly content with God if you still want more. That is called an oxymoron. Unless you believe your faith and circumstances are in some way separate, which would be a foolish thing to assume. Can you have money? of course! Does God allow it? Of course! But if that is why you have faith, then Creflo has you more lost than you know. You want to be rich. You want money. You justify your desires with the Word. Jesus was poor. Get over it. I'm done because you can't grasp the truth.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
I hope at some point you have the integrity and honesty to admit to a desire for blessing on this earth. In all of Jacob's longing for a blessing, did God ever abuse him with stupid, ridiculous accusations of greed? You have no idea who you are in Christ, and you have no idea of the nature of salvation, and YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS IN MY HEART REGARDING MY GOD WHO IS MY EXCEEDINGLY GREAT REWARD. Stop being an incorrigible, ignorant imp, and quit abusing yourself and the body of Christ.
denoinwa 1 week ago 2
@denoinwa Are you aware of the fact that "prosperity" did NOT refer to money in this scripture? It refers to food, shelter, fertility, and other essentials of life. Currency would only be recognized within their own community, and therefore would be null and void if made as a promise to an entire community. Please don't let Creflo Dollar and his people deceive you any longer.
TheRealChikezie 1 week ago
If we hold to othodoxy, which is a "faith only" salvation message, we understand that the first act of repentence is turning TO Christ by faith. That is where salvation begins. Receiving the love and grace of God IS the transforming power of the gospel to all who believe. The "repent from sin first," then accept Christ, is a PERVERSION of the gospel based in LAW, and it is an approach that slams the door on salvation for many. If there are FALSE BROTHERS, they use this approach.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa "The "repent from sin first," then accept Christ, is a PERVERSION of the gospel based in LAW, " Thats why, repentance along with faith, is a fruit of salvation, not something we do to be saved. But the command to repent and believe, still stands.
Larry King:"so what if your a muslim, will you go to heaven"? Osteen: "Well...I dont know if I believe they are wrong.... I have spent alot of time in India ...I dont know about their religion, but I know they love god". Sheesh.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 Are you aware that Osteen admitted that he wiffed on that one to his congregation? Peter himself gave in to Judaizers and was rebuked by Paul. Is it not possible to look at a man and think, "this guy needs correction," rather than descending into "false brother" charges? And incredibly, according to you, "false teacher" really doesnt go far enough because that just isnt false enough. Do you not see how church culture has bred an orientation of dishonor?
denoinwa 4 months ago 2
@denoinwa I have read Osteens book, and heard his preaching. He is not preaching the gospel. He is preaching, "come to Jesus, and your life will be better". Quit sticking up for him. He is of the teachers spoken of in 2Tim. 4:3.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 If your life isnt better after coming to Jesus, then you havent met Jesus. Osteen's message is, "don't settle for anything less than what God would want for your life." And NO, he is not preaching discontentment and greed. He is challenging people to BELIEVE for the best. You should quit blaspheming righteous people, and you should stop projecting SIN under every point of disagreement. You should start looking for contributions to honor and stop looking for an excuse to condemn.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa "If your life isnt better after coming to Jesus, then you havent met Jesus. " Oh yeah, you better tell the Apostle Paul that. He spent all his time in prison, being stoned, and shipwrecked. But golly, Osteen says, we all should have a better life. FALSE!! Of course there are certain blessings God may bestow on his children, but that is never promised to us. And I am condemning a false teacher as scripture tells us to do. Read Galatians for a clue on this.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 It takes a real work of art to project Osteen's message of hope, faith, encouragement, daring to dream, etc. into something sinister. Unfortunately, there is a disease in the church that makes this kind of fundamental misinterpreation commonplace. Osteen says to dream a dream and trust the Lord in following that dream, and you construe it to mean an absence of difficult circumstances. There is truly something offensive about a dare to have faith, isnt there?
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa Hmm. well 2 Cor. 11:14 states even satan disguises himself as an angel of light. You are decieved, as Osteen is preaching a false gospel, which is no gospel at all.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 It is "the GOODNESS of God that leads to repentence." Osteen preaches the goodness and grace of God, which IS the gospel. The message of sin, damnation, and the fear of God is truth, but it is NOT the gospel. You are decieved about what constitutes the GOOD NEWS. The "scandal" is how good God is, not how damning He is.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa LOL, how can they know what Grace is, if they dont even know they are lost?! Luke 5:31-32 says, it is not those who are well that need a physician, but the sick. And Jesus did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. So, to leave off, that people are sinners, which Joel has explicitly said, is only half of the message. Paul stated he preached the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD!
Haukman66 4 months ago
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YAHsHolyMinistry 4 months ago
Todd says, "You must be humbled so that God can save you." My question is, BY WHO? It is our job as believers to "humble" others so they can receive GOOD NEWS? Absolutely NOT. This is a ONE DIMENSIONAL view of salvation. Let's not consider the FACT that people come to Christ for MANY reasons, forgiveness of SIN being ONE. Let's just ASS U ME that all people need to be beat in to the Kingdom... Did Jesus confront EVERY person he met with SIN? Absolutely NOT. Follow the HOLY SPIRIT!!!!
denoinwa 4 months ago
I thank God for the Paul Washers of MY time..
MsTee7475 4 months ago
wait till they find out their both wrong.
erictheactorsactor 5 months ago
round 1 Paul washer!
pappyforyou 5 months ago
Osteen is a satanic wolf in sheep's clothing. Anyone having even the slightest grasp on the true gospel of Christ should be able to see that.
Brythepilgrim 5 months ago
Thank you God for using Paul Washer to kick Joel Osteen's behind.
H0tkebab 5 months ago 2
I know what Osteen lacks in his sermons, but I don't ONLY watch his show, I go to my own church, and listen to the word my pastor has to say also. Osteen talks about uplifting things, and just that. Pastors are supposed to talk about everything, good and bad.
isaiahledz 5 months ago
Paul Washer has said "Who appears at the face of a book?", watch it, it's a man, that is not the Jesus face, that is not a representative image of a man who has died at the cross to gives the life
Paul Washer ha dicho "¿Quien aparece en la portada de un libro?", míralo, es unhombre, no es el rostro de Jesucristo, no es una imagen representativa de un hombre que murió en la cruz para darnos vida
latinbooker 5 months ago
Do you wanna have a easy life and your best life now? Become an atheist... Being a christian is a waiste of time for you! Because, if you ever read the books of Shaul (Paul), you will see that being a devoted christian is NOT about your best life now and heaven on earth and that kind of crap, it's really hard to be a christian. Look at the christians who are not sure if they still live tomorrow. or at Shauls life. Yeshua Himself told that if you follow Him, you WILL be prosecuted. No easy life.
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
@Cocinelleify "My burden is easy and my yoke is light." --- Jesus. You need to take this up with Jesus. Joel Osteen exalts Christ, and his preaching exalts faith. That is a fact. Life is VERY DIFFICULT without faith. The message of the gospel is abundant life in the midst of difficulty. Faith is the goal, not EASY. That is your pathetic interpretation in step with Paul Washer and this well-meaning but clueless radio host.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa No, not true. Living without faith is easy. Believe me. I lived that way. Read your bible, it;s written that believing in Yeshua is nothing but easy. Or you will tell me that Paul did something wrong, because he had a really hard life...
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
@Cocinelleify I quoted you the Bible. You ignored it. "My burden is easy and my yoke is light..." Take this up with Jesus, not me. The fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, JOY, AND PEACE..... This is not the fruit of a grind. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." Liberty is not LABOR...... Yes, there is perseverence, patience, and endurance. That is also Biblical. The truth is, if we give our burdens, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE, we find they are light. Read your Bible.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa So you say Paul had it all wrong, you will say? He had a tough life, but he could have an easy life? and how about the christians who got killed because they followed YEshua? Or are in jail? Explain that to me. Didn't Yeshua say that you WILL got prossecuted because of Him? And you can take everything out of context. The bible doesn't meanyour whole life is in peace, your heart is in peace, cause you believe inHim! Praise Him in the storm we say, but do we? Mostly not.
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
@Cocinelleify Dont put words in my mouth, or in Osteens's.. Paul was persecuted AND had "learned to be content in both lack and in plenty." I did not say, NOR HAS OSTEEN ever said that a believer will be exempted from persecution! You are doing what this jughead radio host is doing: making ALL KINDS OF FALSE ASSUMPTIONS. Quit reading your Bible with a FALSE template, and GET OUT MORE.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa Wow, what a kind of temper do you have... Man, getting angry at a discussion? Yes, Osteen is about having no persecution. Matter of fact, he believes in an abunded life now and a little bit of heaven on earth. He never talks about sins or about Jesus (not from what i have heard) and i bet he is as rich as all the false prophets. Sorry hun, but that's no what the bible teaches, how beautiful and how wonderful it maybe sounds.
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
@denoinwa God will be most glorified if you praise Him trough the darkest periodsin your life.Not when you have a big carand everything goes just fine. NO, He will be glorified the most, when you praise Him through the biggest pain of your life. When you still trust Him. Even when you lost your baby, your beloved ones died, you lose everything you have, you cant walk anymore and go on. Not when everything goes so well.
Please read your bible and watch the video of John Piper - Prosperity Gospel.
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
@Cocinelleify I quite AGREE with what you have said. I agree that a person can have victory in praise through dark circumstances, and SO DOES OSTEEN. You have a FALSE idea of what OSTEEN believes, and YOU HAVE A FALSE IDEA what I believe. "With presumption comes nothing but strife."
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa What you do believe, i don't know. But i know what Joel Osteen does tell us in his video's and i may judge him by his teachings. He believes in a perfect life in this world, no suffering, totally health, wealth and prosperity. You must agree that this is not a true gospel, for nowhere in the bible is written that you as christian will not suffer. But it is clear in the bible that yo will suffer as christian more than all the other people. Not only in your body, but also inside you.
Cocinelleify 6 months ago 6
@Cocinelleify most pentacostal preachers believe that Jesus will deliver you from it all and the bible teaches the same thing....many are the afflictions of a righteous man but the Lord delivers them out of them all...any way this calvinism stuff is not encouraging at all it is condemnation preaching and it is legalism and works we are to believe God to deliver us...Joel has a gift of encouragement!
lucy9359 3 months ago
@Cocinelleify how do you reckon that what Joel Osteen preaches is not of the true gospel I mean come on now he preaches about life which Jesus says that He came to give us life and y'all are doing is condemn Joel Osteen for what he preaches on Jesus didnt even condemn anyone also in Proverbs it talks about how soft words is health to the bones... all of us knows that this world hurting so why cause more pain if you have your bible when your reading this then please look up Isaiah chapter 40
Josef3386 3 months ago
@Cocinelleify and if you have any comments on what i said that come to my page and leave me a message :0)
Josef3386 3 months ago
@Cocinelleify Paul had HARD CIRCUMSTANCES. Paul learned to function IN THEM with "exceeding joy." READ YOUR BIBLE. Now please, please tell me where Joel Osteen has said a Christian will not face hard circumstances? YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THIS MAN, AND SO IS THIS RADIO JERK, AND SO IS PAUL WASHER. Jesus said, "I have come to give life abundantly." Once again, you need to take this up with JESUS. READ YOUR BIBLE.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa Its about how you place that word. Jesus said indeed that He came to give life abundantly, very much life. Not abundantly life, what means having a great life. A big difference, i think. And yes, Paul learnes to live in them with very much joy, but that doesn't mean it will not happen. And nowhere does Washer tells us that you may not be happy.
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
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LISTEN to what YAHUVEH GOD has to say about a man who said JESUS CHRIST is gay and also HE speaks about the Great Tribulation which is a breath away HE says in this link below. Repent, the Kingdom of YAH is at hand!
youtube.com /watch?v=QWVk912cZQE&feature=player_embedded#at=171
YAHsHolyMinistry 6 months ago
I think people OVERTHINK Joel!!!! He believes that if he is kind as Jesus was that GOD with do the work. What do you think he is GOD. He is drawing people in the direction of the Lord. THEN GOD WILL DO THE WORK
musichead12345 6 months ago
PW's brand of gospel, which of course is the ONLY gospel to PW, will reach a certain demographic, but that is it. It is a gospel heavy on sin awareness and repentence. Try preaching this gospel to Muslims for instance and see what this reaps. Muslims already believe they are sinners and virtually crap before God. I find it repugnant that a so-called educated person like Washer cannot distinguish between "another gospel" and simply approaching people differently with the same gospel.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa No, the message of Osteen is great... All about wealth, money and good life. Than i'm doing something so wrong, i have none of them. Osteens gospel is false. I NEVER heard him quoting a verse from the bible. He believes in a sweet Jesus, which is your best buddy. Since when is the real Yeshua a sweet buddy? Isn't the gospel about that you are a sinner and you MUST repents your sins? Lay down yourown life and praise God, through EVERYTHING? Ofcourse it is. You can read that in the bible
Cocinelleify 6 months ago
watch Joseph Prince on youtube! for knowing grace ppl
ilSomli 6 months ago
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Gadelha1344 7 months ago
Paul Washer in context is a man doing his best to deal with cultural Christianity in the Southern Baptist denomination. He has a one dimensional mission to awaken people of the seriousness of sin and to bring a sense of urgency for people to discover their own salvation. Insofar as this context extends to American Christianity, that is where Washer is relevant, but a "shock jock" ministry has its limitations, and Washer's are gapping. A message of fear does not water or empower.
denoinwa 7 months ago
@denoinwa you're right. after having first opened my eyes to the truth of Jesus, his message doesn't help me grow past that, but yet other's preaching would help do that. regardless, it is a preaching that is well needed in america today.
MrPs103 6 months ago
@denoinwa I respectfully must disagree, I was given a violent shove into the Kingdom through his ministry, for there are those of us to whom he speaks directly... and if the sandal fits, who are we to despise or deny the Foot Locker attendant? Many more will walk away before receive it, the malady is with us, not the message or the messenger. Sincerely, a watered and empowered, convert through the Shocking Youth Sermon of Paul Washer.
mrjdoggy 6 months ago
@mrjdoggy Well, thanks for the input. I am glad you came into the Kingdom through PW's ministry.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@mrjdoggythe question is do u actually like jesus or are you just afraid of him?
CrucifiedKing 6 months ago
@CrucifiedKing "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." Proverbs 9:10. Why do you seek to divide the gospel? The division of law, judgment, and sin from love, mercy, and grace is why this country boasts an 83% Christian population, and is yet the most immoral and ungodly country in the history, and on the face, of the earth. I love Jesus, and in His entirety, not just the parts that are easy to swallow. God be with you my friend.
mrjdoggy 6 months ago
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@CrucifiedKing LISTEN to what YAHUVEH GOD has to say about a man who said JESUS CHRIST is gay and also HE speaks about the Great Tribulation which is a breath away HE says in this link below. Repent, the Kingdom of YAH is at hand!
youtube.com /watch?v=QWVk912cZQE&feature=player_embedded#at=171
YAHsHolyMinistry 6 months ago
@denoinwa amen , a message of fear does not empower!
CrucifiedKing 6 months ago
@CrucifiedKing Washer thinks it is more important to preach SIN than to preach Christ, as if no one can receive Jesus without being pounded to dust first. There is no faith in the HOLY SPIRIT to do His work except by a good, sound Bible beating. PW, however, does preach Christ, and I will not pull a Paul Washer and CLASSIFY people as false teachers based on a disgreement as to how the cross is to be preached. He is probably driving away 9 for every one he reaches, but I leave him to God.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa Jesus healed 10 lepers but only came back...let´s assume that what you say its true that he drives away 9 for every one he reaches...but that ONE will be a solid christian, ready to resemble Jesus with his life. God Bless you bro.
Frankcr001 6 months ago
@Frankcr001 It is obvious PW has a heart for true conversions, which I can applaud. God is an opportunist and will use a person anyway He can. There are MANY broken people who fully understand their sinfulness, imperfections, and struggle constantly with a lack of worth. Paul Washer will not reach these people, nor does he have any understand whatsoever of these people. "Teaching people to despise themselves" is not the gospel. Its really ridiculous how this is lauded as gospel at all.
denoinwa 6 months ago
@denoinwa I agree. Christians tearing down other Christians must make the enemy laugh himself senseless.
I agree, I abhor PW's contempt for some lovers of Jesus who try to win others to Christ, but since he preaches Christ crucified, I would never want to tear down his ministry or slander him. We should give him the grace he denies others.
patty7beth 4 months ago
@patty7beth Amen. It is pretty sad how people accuse a person of not preaching a harsh message, then judge his motive as money grubbing. This is a watermark for where much of the church is today. The TRUTH? These people treat "sinners" who dont know Christ just like they treat their brother Osteen. God have mercy on them for shutting the door to the Kingdom in the face of many people.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa Osteen is not a "brother", he is a false teacher. He doesnt even know the gospel. Makes you wonder, why the cross is not even displayed in his church. Its because he doesnt preach Christ crucified. God has a wonderful plan for your life? Where is that in the bible?
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 You are WRONG. He DOES preach Christ crucified. Not enough for you? SO WHAT. Get over it.
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
denoinwa 4 months ago 2
@denoinwa "He DOES preach Christ crucified. Not enough for you? SO WHAT. Get over it." Yep, your attitude shows, you probably dont even know the gospel yourself. And I asked you to show one verse that says God has a wonderful plan for your life, and you used Jeremiah 29:11? You ever look at who those words are written to? Not to you. It was written to the exiles whom God sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon. (vs. 4) So, unless you have spent time in Babylon recently, its not to you.
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 I guess you dont get that you can explain away most of the Bible by comparing contexts and finding one not exactly like the other. This is the Word. All of us who believe have come out of Babylon. You are leaving grace out of the GOOD NEWS, and the GOOD NEWS is grace extended to all of humanity. And you think you have an inside track to the meaning of gospel? I think not.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa Again, you are showing your severe lack of biblical knowledge. The verses do all have a context, in which you took that verse WAY out of context. If God has a wonderful plan to prosper everyone, I wonder why all the disciples were tortured, and martyred? And also why Jesus told his disciples, that they would be persecuted, because no student is better than his teacher. Again, Osteens gospel, is no gospel at all. He never ever even uses the word SIN!
Haukman66 4 months ago
@Haukman66 Not even people with your view would nullify Jeremiah 29:11 on the basis of context. It is you who is ignorant. Read the Old Testament. Trace the favor and blessing of God from the promises of Abraham and throughout. Read the promises of prosperity and blessings ALL THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT to God's people. Proverbs does not distinguish between spiritual and physical prosperity. The heart of God is to prosper His people in every dimension of life in His time.
denoinwa 4 months ago
OSTEEN DOES NOT PREACH AGAINST SIN...EVER HEARD HIM SAY "REPENT?" IN HIS SERMONS? EVER HEARD HIM WARN LOST MANKIND OF HELL? EVER HEARD HIM PREACH THAT SINNERS ARE GOING TO HELL? NO........HE IS A FALSE PROPHET AND DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE HIS CHURCH MILLIONS BY OFFENDING HIS CONGREGATION....OFFEND? HE CARES MORE ABOUT HIS MONEY AND STATUS THAN SERVING JESUS AND PREACHING THE TRUTH. FALSE PROPHET!
justcruzzinn 7 months ago 27
@justcruzzinn AMEN!..Osteen will have a price to pay
PATBASKIN 6 months ago
@justcruzzinn Please turn off the "Caps Lock", it's hard to read and and it means that you are yelling
KahnXP2 5 months ago
@justcruzzinn You are absolutely correct. Remember Matthew 24:4 clearly says that don't be deceived. Osteen is leading many Christian people astray. I feel sorry for those who fall for his messages. Person like Osteen is the one the Bible has warned about. If you listen to his massages, there is no Christ. His messages are not about GOD at all. All of his messages are man-centered. He's not a pastor who preaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He should have been a motivational speaker.
kahngskp 5 months ago
@kahngskp thanks for the confirmation of these false prophets..You know, it is amazing that mankind continues to follow "men" and not "GOD." GOD GIVES US HIS WORD: THE BIBLE...AND WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GUIDE US..AND WITH "PRAYER" WE HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH GOD ALMIGHTY...SO, WE HAVE HIS "WORD," HIS "HOLY SPIRIT," AND "GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF THROUGH DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH PRAYER." BUT, yet the millions and millions look to Joel and other false prophets for direction...amazing
justcruzzinn 5 months ago
@justcruzzinn Joel I assure is not a "false prophet," but you my uppercase loving, holier than thou, hate monger are a true idiot.
dukehen78 5 months ago
the gospel takes all of five minutes to tell someone and 98% of the people in the world are already familiar with it. Joel is providing encouragement and helpful advice and witnessing. Joel is about the only preacher I can tolerate on TV. The rest are really all whack jobs. The way most preachers carry on about Jesus you'd think the Gospel (that by the way for those who forgot, means Good News) was the worst news in the world.Thank God for Joel. Paul is a total nut job, sorry, but he is.
dukehen78 5 months ago
@justcruzzinn then you havent heard Him then ?
blessedwithoutmeasur 4 months ago
@blessedwithoutmeasur I have heard osteen over and over...he is the "smiling" preacher....He will NOT offend his congregation. That is why on Larry King Live he opened and made sure that he would NOT preach against sin. He didn't want to offend...Why do you think he has every person buying YES BUYING TICKETS TO HIS CHURCH SERVICES? because he wants as much MONEY as possible. HE IS AN ABOMINATION. HE WILL ANSWER TO GOD ALMIGHTY. BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS. HE IS THE KING OF THEM ALL!
justcruzzinn 4 months ago 2
@justcruzzinn as you also will stand before God ,we all will!!!!! joel isn't afraid to stand before God Are You? the reation should be no we are justified before God because of what Jesus did on the cross!!!!
blessedwithoutmeasur 4 months ago
@blessedwithoutmeasur Yes, you must be "born again" to enter the kingdom of heaven...Joel doesn't appear by His SPEECH AND ACTIONS to be "born again."
Did you even WATCH the larry King interview? Obviously you DID NOT....If you DID, you would see the Wolf inside the sheeps clothing...WAKE UP PEOPLE. STOP DEFENDING THIS COWARDLY MAN WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY...YOU CAN CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HIM JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS DO....OR YOU CAN CHOOSE TO FOLLOW JESUS ALONE. ITS YOUR CHOICE
justcruzzinn 4 months ago 2
@justcruzzinn yes you must be born again , and yes joel osteen is born of God through grace by faith, no man is just by there own , , if you are a judge and God chose you to Judge no one would get to heaven , but on the other hand God knows the heart of man he judges joel a faithfull man, he also said that a man is justified not by the works of the law but by faith, for no man is justified by the works of the law for he has fallen from grace, thats in galations
blessedwithoutmeasur 4 months ago
@blessedwithoutmeasur I am NOT a judge of Joel...Just warning from the FACTS of what he preaches and DOESN'T preach. I am a voice in the wilderness. Thats all........and good old Joel stated what he believes is the ticket to heaven right on Larry King Live before millions on TV...So, I am very thankful that good old Joel stated his beliefs, and how he "interprets" Gods Words.......It was Point Blank...AND, he did the believers in Christ a HUGE favor by clarifying his anti-christian beliefs.
justcruzzinn 4 months ago
@justcruzzinn He is not a false prophet! He is a false brother.Of which we are told that are among us.2ndCor11:26,Gal2:4,2nd pet 2:1 and so on
TheRandallraplee 4 months ago
I'm not a supporter of Joel Osteen, but let me say this.. What is the difference between Joel and Paul? One focuses on teaching of Jesus and the other focuses on teaching people about men who are suspected to be tools of Satan. Seriously, will Paul, for once, shut up about bashing other people that he doesn't agree with, and just talking about Jesus alone. That guy seems to be more zealous about attacking others who don't believe like him, then teaching people to be like Jesus. He needs a hug..
MissedTheMark 7 months ago 2
@MissedTheMark Paul teaches obedience to God's word. Joel does not teach that. What makes Paul difficult to listen to is that he teaches the difficulties of the Bible, which fewer and fewer are doing that. I for one do not want him to shut up but rather continue proclaiming the truth. Do not preachers who have so watered down the message that you cannot tell if you are at a church sermon or a motivational talk need to be called out?
scottshelley5 6 months ago