@ailingequation Perhaps if the Conservative Party had narrowly lost the 2010 election, as Labour did in 1992, then I would expect a similar landslide to the Tories in 2015. In addition, the Tory landslides in 1983 and 1987 were the result of the Alliance stealing votes from the Labour Party and, if the opinion polls are anything to go by, the Liberal Democrats are, finally, dead politically ... but good to you anyway! :D
The 2010 election should have been like this for the Torys, but they couldn't even get a majority and needed help from the sellout LibDems, what does that tell you?
I don't blame Labour for the market crash as it happened worldwide, I soley blame the banks, but a lot of people to blame Labour but yet they still can't trust Torys. We'll see Labour back in power soon.. I hope.
The 2010 election should have been like this for the Torys, but they couldn't even get a majority and needed help from the sellout LibDems, what does that tell you?
I don't blame Labour for the market crash as it happened worldwide, I soley blame the banks, but a lot of people to blame Labour but yet they still can't trust Torys. We'll see Labour back in power soon.. I hope.
@PThomason01 The fact that the Tories didn't achieve similar to 1997 shows just how much people lost trust in the Tories 13 years ago. I still think another Tory majority government is a LONG way off.
It wouldn't suprise me to see a Labour landslide in 2015 though. If the cuts are unpopular and if there's a double-dip recession, as Labour warned, people will have them back. Couple that with a collapsing Liberal party and, for Labour, the perfect storm is brewing as regards to the next election.
If someone ever wanted a definition of obliteration - refer back to this night for the Conservative Party. It's a sheer miracle they've been able to survive and could well be back in power on Thursday.
Stirring stuff. It was time for a change back then and the whole country was euphoric. I'm not sure the result on Thursday (whatever it is) will be quite the same. Politicians all appear to be disconnected from the rest of us. Does anyone know what was the theme music to this clip?
Abandon everything you believe in to get elected...some victory. What 1997 and New Labour showed was total victory for Thatcherism. We no longer have a socialist party in Britain, thanks to the Tories. It was their finest hour.
Remember the "Loads of Money" mentality of the Tories back in the 80's? Right, what they actually meant was "Loads of Debt"...
And we're still paying it back, plus interest, keeping relatively few people rich and the majority poorer.
As for Labour, they were TOO TIMID and TOO TORY. Give us a break... put some people in, of all parties and none, with common sense and decency- before it's too late for any of us. Please.
@papermariob going to Eton has nothing to do with anything. You are a BNP support by looking at your subscription and friend but anyway did you know nick griffin went to Cambridge university so does that make him a toff? But the fact of the matter is it doesnt matter what school you go to it matters what you stand for and Cameron stands for a lot of good unlike Griffin and Brown.
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I am a PROUD BNP supporter.
I want my country back. It is full of Paki,s
The Conservatives who are pretty sure to win (All be it a small majority) will do NOTHING to stem the tide of NON WHITES coming to the UK to either 1) Steal our Jobs.. British Jobs for BRITISH people. Or they will B) steal our benefit money which they are NOT entitled to, And will play the "Race" card if they are challenged.
OK Yes the BNP are only a small party.. BUT WATCH THIS SPACE... WE WILL GROW!!!!!!
@skjtand Yes Cameron will be the next PM unlike Brown who has never been a PM just a grumpy old chancellor who cant count up and just borrows until the country is broke.
Actually the marginal poll done by politicshome recently shows the Tories on course to win several Labour seats in Scotland. It still won't be huge but they aren't finished by any means.
It says that the Tories will in 4 seats while Labour will win 21. The fact that that is a particularly bad result for labour says a lot about the politics of Scotland.
How times have changed, this makes me cringe. Looks like its Labour who's going to get (rightfully) erased from the political spectrum, goodbye and good riddance!
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You think Britain is better now? Wake up, Labour ****ed us up worse than the Tories ever did and soon we'll have a general election and get rid of the labour scum!!!!!!! Remember, "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"!
Ashdown should have won this election! He'd have made a fantastic Prime Minister. Don't forget, all the good things Labour did in their first two years (devolution, constitutional reform) was only possible because of pressure from the Liberal Democrtas.
There is a fundamental difference between devolution and independence. Devolution is necessary because it brings power to a more local level, which seems logical and fair seeing as we live in a democracy. Independence would break up strong unity, but local and regional assemblies are a good thing.
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You think Britain is better now? Wake up, Labour fucked us up worse than the Tories ever did and soon we'll have a general election and get rid of the labour scum!!!!!!! Remember, "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"!
I don't know how you figure that out. Labour certainly fucked us up, but they did it with Tory policies, continuing with what the previous government started. Deregulation and destruction of civil iberties began under the Tories and have carried on ever since. Labour will probaly lose the next election, and David Cameron and co will be even worse.
What the fuck??? Where the hell are there any socialists in charge??? you don't have a bloody clue mate!!! Never trust a leader who favours FOX HUNTING!!
You are right, but i don't believe that it has anything to do with socialism. Authoritarianism and civil liberties erosion didn't start in 1997. The Tory government wanted ID cards, they came up with things like the prevention of terrorism act, police bill, bugging of homes etc. They were attempting to restrict freedoms and actually move the burden of proof onto the defendant. Much of it was resisted by the Labour opposition. It's been going on for years and must be fought every step of the way.
You think Britain is better now? Wake up, Labour ****ed us up worse than the Tories ever did and soon we'll have a general election and get rid of the labour scum!!!!!!! Remember, "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"!
I'm a Thatcherite but I agree that in 1997 the Tories were going to get blown out, it needed to happen for the Tories. in 2009/2010 Labour will get blown out and David Cameron will be PM.
I'm glad they lost. Major betrayed the legacy of Lady Thatcher. They reneged on a manifesto pledge not to raise taxes. And now under Cameron, they are now a social democratic party and not a market conservative party anymore.
didn't amount to much; while her rheotoric could be good, the performance of the 1979/1990 government was poor,
and Mr. Major had to do his best clearing things up. Tony Blair was a disappointment. And Gordon Brown a disaster! I hope Mr. Cameron will do better than these, and wish him all success, if a true One Nation Conservative governing in the best interests of all our people, not just the greedy ones!- I fondly remember a Man called Edward Heath.
didn't amount to much; while her rheotoric could be good, the performance of the 1979/1990 government was poor,
and Mr. Major had to do his best clearing things up. Tony Blair was a disappointment. And Gordon Brown a disaster! I hope Mr. Cameron will do better then any of them, and wish him all success, if a true One Nation Conservative and governing in the best interests of all our people, like a real Man called Edward Heath.
She was the most successful and greatest peacetime PM in our history. Privitisation worked wonders. All of our privatised industries were in the world's top 50. Our living standards tripled. She killed inflation before Lawson's stupidity by wedding the pound to the DM and loosening monetary policy let it back in again. 2 million new jobs were created in the private sector. Taxes were lowered for all income levels. Home ownership was increased by 22%. Heath sold us out to the monster EU
Mr. Heath didn't "sell us out" to the EEC/EU. - certainly less than we "sold out" to am unholy mixture of the banks,
Murdoch and American investment houses!
By the way, 'though I wouldn't claim that Euroland is any paradise, the vast majority of it and its' people are in a lot better shape than Thatcher, Blair and Brown have left this once great country!
He took us into the EEC. We have suffered with that for 3 decades. Europe is in a much worse shape than us. The monetary union is crippling the countries that need to devalue their currencies and lower their interest rates to accodomate their unique needs. The PIGS are in dire shape. Germany has no room to stimulate its export markets because the ECB has to take into account the conditions of 16 other countries. The only way a monetary union can work is if fiscal policy is harmonised
Well, at least I agree with your last sentence... yet more reason why Britain should have joined the Euro at the outset. If you join a club, it's always a good idea to join at the outset, if possible, as with both the EEC and the Euro;
otherwise you tend to get prejudicial results later. Devaluation is no economy at anytime (e.g. Wilson's in the 60's), least of all with "globalisation".
Go to Holland/Germany/Sweden/Austria,
see better public services, living standards- don't believe the Sun.
We weren't convergent with the Euro in 1999 at all. When the Euro was launched, it was launched at $1.17. It dropped to $0.80 and rose to $.90. It is not a stable currency. It is incredibly overvalued at the minute. Around 75% of our global investments are outside Euroland and denominated in dollars, and most of our trade is in dollars. If anything, we'd be better off joining the dollar. Along with currency volatility, we'd have demand cycle volatility.
Floating exchange rates are good things. Speculators can attack fixed exchange rates as easily as floating exchange rates. George Soros did this very well on White Wednesday. Its why the world abandoned the Gold Standard in 1971, although I am becoming more open to a partial gold standard in order to impose some fiscal discipline on countries that take too much advantage of fiat currencies
Also, unemployment in Europe as a whole has been higher than it was in America and Britain since the EU was created. And economic growth has been faster in Britain and America, and all other English speaking nations than in Euroland.
I'd like to know what all this "economic growth" in Britain and America is?... rising debt and insolvency? unsustainably high property prices and rents? rising poverty, social degradation and crime? rising segregation of the population? RISING FEAR? rising environmental damage? I'm no Socialist. I'm not a Green. I agree with private enterprise. I believe that people should be self-reliant, whenever and wherever possible. If Maggie's stated words and were genuine, I'm THATCHERITE!
Like I said before, if you'd bothered to read my previous comments, you'd realise that in 1997, after 18 years of Tory rule, Britain's banks' lending capacity was matched by the amount they held on deposit, because under Thatcher, the Bank of England's role to monitor the balance sheets of banks' was strengthened. Banks were required to hold lots of capital and cash. They were required to have high levels of capital adequacy. The explosion in private debt occured after 2001.
Devaluation isn't politically viable, but the devulation of the pound after White Wednesday sewed the seeds for the economic recovery and subsequent 16 years of growth.
That is why Thatcher was the best peace time PM. Money supply control was central to her economic policy. Since 2001, money supply M4 has been growing at around 14% per annum. Interest rates were held high through the 80's to squeeze inflation out of the system, and high interest rates discourage borrowing. One of the causes of this crisis has been the artificially low interest rates created by the Fed, the BoE and the ECB over the last 10 years.
Nor do I give a stuff about rude anti-semite idiots think or say... or, for that matter, two-faced British zealots who would justify the false promises made to both Arabs and Jews during the British mandate in the former Palastine...
'Our' Irgun shot to break the deadlock.
The United Nations, supported by the USA/Canada/Australia/France/Soviet Union!, decided on the formation of Israel in 1948.
Only a prat would/should call us a bastards. Most of us, myself included,
In July 2006, Israelis, including former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun, attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre.
The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem protested, saying "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated."
Thatcher's market policies did not lead to our debt problems. Mrs Thatcher's regulatory framework required the banks to hold lots of cash and capital. They had to have high levels of capital adequacy. The Bank of England ensured this. In 1997, the amount the banks were collectively lending was matched by the amount they held on deposit, and some banks were in surplus. In the 2007, there was an £800 billion deficit because Brown took the Bank of England's power to monitor debt in the banks
Mrs. Thatcher's policies involved market i.e. low wages for many people; yet soaring property prices and rents plus huge and ever rising consumer debt (people using credit cards to buy groceries and petrol for example)...
The number of people in tax-paying work diminished. The welfare bill went up.
Would you like to explain where all the money to finance this fundamentally flawed sum was ultimately going to come from?
Markets don't automatically involve low wages. Wages drop during market reforms because the state pays more than inflation when it owns the means of production. Consumer debt exploded in this country after 2001. Money comes from taxation as always, or borrowing. If unemployment goes up and welfare bills increase, the automatic stabilisers kick in, and Keynesians would have us borrow it. It's why she set so much stock by controlling the money supply.
That's why I agree with control of the money supply, though I am an advocate of the Austrian School. I am far from being a monetarist. I believe in very low taxes and a very small state. Wages should be determined by supply and demand. I don't agree with exploitation. We have laws and institutions that strength civic life. I believe the principal role of the state is to keep civil order and punish those who bring that order into disrepute. If businesses exploit, they should be destroyed.
don't like to shatter other people's illusions or delusions, unlike "our" beloved Margaret, but I'm afraid "there's no alternative"...
In 1972, one pound sterling would buy
more than DM8 (EUR4.09 today). The
newly privatised industries dabbled in the international market speculation and debt at the root of our economic problems today. Sure, some people got richer...
and a lot more heavily in debt... And, remember, it's not only government that can tax people too much but also greed
Well, I don't know about '97 being the "worst result ever" for the Conservatives or that they "should have won." I mean, look at the 1945 election - the Conservatives had Winston Churchill as leader, fresh from having led Britain in WWII, and Labour still won a landslide victory similar to '97. I don't think anybody will contest that Churchill was a politician of much greater quality than Major, which made that result much more of a shock than '97. So, put in context not the "worst result ever"
Well I agree the Tories should have won, but lets be honest here after 18 years of rule, there were just too much baggage and people were fed up so a "House Cleaning" had to be done but in 2009/2010 the Tories will be back in power
I agree...I live in Scotland, and I remember that night, how much hope there was here - and not just here, but everywhere in Britain. Even everyone Have I Got News For You was in raptures about the result. I'll know that I'll come under attack from the Maggie Fan Club for saying this, but it was obvious that Britain was just sick of the Conservatives by 1997, and it seems to be going that way now, only with Labour instead. Britain has see-saw'd like this so many times, it's now a formality!
On a general note steps, why are your posts so vacuous? You say brown has 'bankrupted' the country' but you don't explain how you arrive at that conclusion. Do you know what bankruptcy is?
Edinburgh Pentlands was not such a shock as Enfield Southgate. Hove also fell that evening but was not held by a prominant MP so did not get as much coverage. Putney result was brilliant televison. St Albans, Wimbledon, Crawley, Hastings all fell like a deck of cards that night....!
The thing that everyone seems to forget about this election is that the Liberal Democrats more than doubled their seats thanks to Paddy Ashdown's success! (somethig that is too often overshadowed by Blair's landslide.)
I was 13 when Labour got elected in '97. I remember watching the election coverage with my Mum and Dad. They couldn't believe the Tories were gone, they were so happy. I remember them saying how they felt like crying the morning they woke up in '92 and found they'd got in again. I didn't know anything about politics at the time but I felt so optimistic the next day, it was such a hopeful time.
Now look at where we are and all that's gone since then...
David Dimbleby, Peter Snow and Jeremy Paxman all make election night a great event. It's a shame Peter Snow is no longer involved, but i really will miss David when he leaves. But not yet, he's got a good few left
It must be said, the 1997 election was a HUGE defeat for the Tories. Whichever way you look at it I can't see Labour doing as badly in 2009/10. Losing half the Cabinet's seats, under 200 seats, lowest share of the vote since the early 19th century...
John Major was at least an honest, down-to-earth and likeable man. He didn't have dozens of people to manipulate the media, he didn't tax us to the wall, he didn't bring in ban after ban, he didn't lose 25m people's data, he didn't raid pension funds, he didn't start an illegal war, he didn't bankrupt the country with unprecidented waste and pointless quangos...
...If Labour isn't truly smashed in 18 months time, I will be very surprised.
I highly doubt a Labour landslide to happen again, more likely another Hung Parliament!
Steviebond2 7 months ago
John Major watchs this video 5 times.
alexander1998100 7 months ago
@ailingequation Perhaps if the Conservative Party had narrowly lost the 2010 election, as Labour did in 1992, then I would expect a similar landslide to the Tories in 2015. In addition, the Tory landslides in 1983 and 1987 were the result of the Alliance stealing votes from the Labour Party and, if the opinion polls are anything to go by, the Liberal Democrats are, finally, dead politically ... but good to you anyway! :D
CybderDude93 8 months ago
@CybderDude93 ... *good luck to you, I meant :S
CybderDude93 8 months ago
Wisfull thinking by Dimbleby!!
TomSanderson100 9 months ago
At the rate things are going now, expect a repeat performance in oh, say 2011 or 2012...
chrispythegull 1 year ago 2
those words "virtual wipeout of the tory party in britain" literally send a happy shiver down my spine, especially when spoken by dimbleby.
ellisbaker93 1 year ago 8
this was a loss not a defeat
SirOneoneselfandone 1 year ago
This is my porn.
Beechy5000 1 year ago 3
so much promise... so many disappointments ever since. I can never forgive Labour for their betrayal of all I, and once they, held so dear.
mtheadedwally 1 year ago 2
@mtheadedwally
so true but then again i always did think that the labour party would finally crumble.
dirty bastards :)
Droid979 1 year ago
I can't wait to see this again. The way things are going with the Con-Dems so far it should be a wipe out yet again.
mrflibble101 1 year ago
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The 2010 election should have been like this for the Torys, but they couldn't even get a majority and needed help from the sellout LibDems, what does that tell you?
I don't blame Labour for the market crash as it happened worldwide, I soley blame the banks, but a lot of people to blame Labour but yet they still can't trust Torys. We'll see Labour back in power soon.. I hope.
PThomason01 1 year ago
The 2010 election should have been like this for the Torys, but they couldn't even get a majority and needed help from the sellout LibDems, what does that tell you?
I don't blame Labour for the market crash as it happened worldwide, I soley blame the banks, but a lot of people to blame Labour but yet they still can't trust Torys. We'll see Labour back in power soon.. I hope.
PThomason01 1 year ago
@PThomason01 The fact that the Tories didn't achieve similar to 1997 shows just how much people lost trust in the Tories 13 years ago. I still think another Tory majority government is a LONG way off.
It wouldn't suprise me to see a Labour landslide in 2015 though. If the cuts are unpopular and if there's a double-dip recession, as Labour warned, people will have them back. Couple that with a collapsing Liberal party and, for Labour, the perfect storm is brewing as regards to the next election.
ToManyPhones 1 year ago
Labour failed this country
GamerYetPolitical92 1 year ago
this gives me goose bumbs we'll see this again one day!
harrow233 1 year ago 3
I would have rubbed Kinnock's face in it. 'Major was pretty easy to beat.'
PrimaIScream 1 year ago
What a glorious night for Labour!
uziTGC 1 year ago
@uziTGC
It was but it was an empty glory as the electorate has to be disenfranchised ever since.
bismuthcadmium 1 year ago
@bismuthcadmium regretfully, I can't disagree.
uziTGC 1 year ago
May 2015. We'll see this again.
ToManyPhones 1 year ago
@ToManyPhones i hope so but probably till atleast till 2020.
harrow233 1 year ago
Ah, the good old days...
hugoegbert79 1 year ago
1:16 It still is! WOO
ToManyPhones 1 year ago
Did you see the crap tonight? tory + libdem coalition now? LOL
FixedNewsChannel 1 year ago
The music is very good, shame they got rid of it.
skyguy13 1 year ago
If someone ever wanted a definition of obliteration - refer back to this night for the Conservative Party. It's a sheer miracle they've been able to survive and could well be back in power on Thursday.
Rascasseman 1 year ago 5
Stirring stuff. It was time for a change back then and the whole country was euphoric. I'm not sure the result on Thursday (whatever it is) will be quite the same. Politicians all appear to be disconnected from the rest of us. Does anyone know what was the theme music to this clip?
nes1966 1 year ago
@nes1966 Arthur by Rick Wakeman
alexanderbutler91 1 year ago
wow tony Blur did sooo well back then
TayZondayi 1 year ago
The Tories did well not to fall apart after this drubbing. They could easily have gone the way of the old Liberal party.
stupidjunk878 1 year ago
Fuck Labour
BritishSexComedy 1 year ago
I remember watching this live all the way from America (via C-SPAN). Man, Labour fucked themselves big time in those 13 years.
shaunnol 1 year ago
VOTE LIB DEM
flyingtoilet1 1 year ago 3
An amazing night! I was at an election count & saw Tories sloping off home with tears and unopened botlles of champers - bloody priceless!
Jlepub 1 year ago
I was never as glad to see an MP go as i was when that vicious little arch-thatcherite Michael Forsyth got booted out!
Especially after the damn smarm he showed when he somehow clung on in 1992!
RutgerHauerRules 1 year ago
18 years of Tory failure, followed by 13 years of Labour incompetence and failure.
Time for a real change - Vote Liberal Democrat
GeeGee3374 1 year ago 3
Tories = Awful. Labour = Good, LibDems = Very Good But Never Will Get In, Im Voting Labour
gimptutorials1000 1 year ago 3
What an amazing night! Tony Blair swept to power and celebrations in the streets
Jlepub 1 year ago 10
Vote Labour
falkirkbairn01 1 year ago 5
What an exciting election! They don't make'm like that anymore.
evanquads 2 years ago 5
Abandon everything you believe in to get elected...some victory. What 1997 and New Labour showed was total victory for Thatcherism. We no longer have a socialist party in Britain, thanks to the Tories. It was their finest hour.
robbbyb1976 2 years ago 4
Labour's General Election song in 1997 was "Things can only get better" by D-Ream.... The Tories should have been "Ready to go" by Republica!
Kevinasp 2 years ago
Remember the "Loads of Money" mentality of the Tories back in the 80's? Right, what they actually meant was "Loads of Debt"...
And we're still paying it back, plus interest, keeping relatively few people rich and the majority poorer.
As for Labour, they were TOO TIMID and TOO TORY. Give us a break... put some people in, of all parties and none, with common sense and decency- before it's too late for any of us. Please.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago 3
I remember watching this historic moment and punching the air with glee as we kicked out the Tory scum!!!!
Sadly it will be all change at the next election!!! ALL GOOD THINGS MUST COME TO AN END.
papermariob 2 years ago
@papermariob HAHAHAHA all good things must come to an end, you think Brown is good? yeah hes so good hes given us all debt as a gift from Labour.
MrTORYTOM 2 years ago 3
Well Mr. Tory tom
What do you think that bastard Cameron will do for the Country..
Is he going to "Wave his magic wand" He is an Eton educated slimy Toff who has NO understanding of REAL people in the UK.
papermariob 2 years ago
@papermariob going to Eton has nothing to do with anything. You are a BNP support by looking at your subscription and friend but anyway did you know nick griffin went to Cambridge university so does that make him a toff? But the fact of the matter is it doesnt matter what school you go to it matters what you stand for and Cameron stands for a lot of good unlike Griffin and Brown.
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I am a PROUD BNP supporter.
I want my country back. It is full of Paki,s
The Conservatives who are pretty sure to win (All be it a small majority) will do NOTHING to stem the tide of NON WHITES coming to the UK to either 1) Steal our Jobs.. British Jobs for BRITISH people. Or they will B) steal our benefit money which they are NOT entitled to, And will play the "Race" card if they are challenged.
OK Yes the BNP are only a small party.. BUT WATCH THIS SPACE... WE WILL GROW!!!!!!
papermariob 2 years ago
hear hear
lowestoftbus 2 years ago
So true!! Go Labour!! Cameron knows NOTHING about the ordinary working class citizen whats that going to do for our country? VOTE LABOUR
gimptutorials1000 2 years ago
Neither do Labour lol
both are useless............
JCVDbaby 1 year ago 2
@papermariob
We're all real people...
BrokenCrockery 2 years ago
It's a WONDERFUL FEELING I get everytime I listen to the BBC election night recording of Arthur: King of the Britons!
And, indeed, we are a WONDERFUL
COUNTRY... at our Best, a Hopeful,
resourceful and tolerant
People, seeking mutually beneficial Change-
You can see that here on the faces of
some nice people OF ALL PARTIES who win through-
Unfortunately too we see here, on blogs and in the current House and everyday life: greed, hatred, lies and selfishness
LET'S GET REAL AND NICER!
nicholasisrael 2 years ago 2
Wipeout of the Tory party??? I WISH!!
mellowNdark 2 years ago 3
cameron is the next PM
skjtand 2 years ago
@skjtand Sadly....
mellowNdark 2 years ago
@skjtand Yes Cameron will be the next PM unlike Brown who has never been a PM just a grumpy old chancellor who cant count up and just borrows until the country is broke.
MrTORYTOM 2 years ago
yes it is great seeing all of those Cameron billboard posters put up, they have all been ripped off in Lowestoft
lowestoftbus 2 years ago
@lowestoftbus
By Labour activists I imagine. They like to do that sort of thing.
BrokenCrockery 2 years ago
or by people with taste?
binstig 1 year ago
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The Tories and Labour are two cheeks of the same arse. England is welcome to them both. Idiots.
globaltraveller 2 years ago
let me guess bnp or ukip loser
juices233 2 years ago 18
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No, neither.
globaltraveller 2 years ago
Well vote lib dem....
fakweet 2 years ago
No. The LibDems were in coalition government in Scotland for 8 years and they were just as bad as Labour. If not worse.
globaltraveller 2 years ago
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But that was the Scottish lib dems. The national lib dems are much better....
fakweet 2 years ago
Holy shit.
Talk about a landslide.
Your 1980 moment, perhaps.
kefkaROX 2 years ago 17
1984 moment too
garethbutler 2 years ago
The tories are finished in Scotland only 1 Scottish tory mp in the commons doesn't that tell you something?
tich302001 2 years ago
Actually the marginal poll done by politicshome recently shows the Tories on course to win several Labour seats in Scotland. It still won't be huge but they aren't finished by any means.
More likely Labour are due to the SNP.
theredraven 2 years ago
It says that the Tories will in 4 seats while Labour will win 21. The fact that that is a particularly bad result for labour says a lot about the politics of Scotland.
slimes23 2 years ago
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Enough people there want to vote for Labour still?
Do they have no shame?
theredraven 2 years ago
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The Scots are idiots...
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Straight out of the Kelvin Mackenzie handbook.
flymogram 2 years ago 4
How times have changed, this makes me cringe. Looks like its Labour who's going to get (rightfully) erased from the political spectrum, goodbye and good riddance!
tris7 2 years ago 5
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You think Britain is better now? Wake up, Labour ****ed us up worse than the Tories ever did and soon we'll have a general election and get rid of the labour scum!!!!!!! Remember, "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"!
JAYROX1969 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this video. It makes me happy to watch it; it brings back good memories and it reminds me how much I dislike the Tories.
narrowboatboy 2 years ago 3
Agreed!
mellowNdark 2 years ago 4
Ashdown should have won this election! He'd have made a fantastic Prime Minister. Don't forget, all the good things Labour did in their first two years (devolution, constitutional reform) was only possible because of pressure from the Liberal Democrtas.
lelvish1 2 years ago
How was devolution a good thing?! Its the beginning of the end to Britain, Scotland is going to suffer big time if we vote for independence.
tris7 2 years ago 5
There is a fundamental difference between devolution and independence. Devolution is necessary because it brings power to a more local level, which seems logical and fair seeing as we live in a democracy. Independence would break up strong unity, but local and regional assemblies are a good thing.
lelvish1 2 years ago
wow god i remember watchin this on an old tape
im not telling what my parents voted for lol
LANbritain 2 years ago
The day Britain died!
JAYROX1969 2 years ago
Bollocks
flymogram 2 years ago
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You think Britain is better now? Wake up, Labour fucked us up worse than the Tories ever did and soon we'll have a general election and get rid of the labour scum!!!!!!! Remember, "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"!
JAYROX1969 2 years ago
I don't know how you figure that out. Labour certainly fucked us up, but they did it with Tory policies, continuing with what the previous government started. Deregulation and destruction of civil iberties began under the Tories and have carried on ever since. Labour will probaly lose the next election, and David Cameron and co will be even worse.
flymogram 2 years ago
Exactly.
hugoegbert79 2 years ago
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David Cameron will be great im sure, better than these socialist twats!
tris7 2 years ago
What the fuck??? Where the hell are there any socialists in charge??? you don't have a bloody clue mate!!! Never trust a leader who favours FOX HUNTING!!
mellowNdark 2 years ago 4
David Cameron will not be great, and if you think the people we have now are socialists you must be mad.
flymogram 2 years ago 5
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Oh but they socialists. The USSR style ones. Very authoritarian and taking away civl rights and such.
theredraven 2 years ago
You are right, but i don't believe that it has anything to do with socialism. Authoritarianism and civil liberties erosion didn't start in 1997. The Tory government wanted ID cards, they came up with things like the prevention of terrorism act, police bill, bugging of homes etc. They were attempting to restrict freedoms and actually move the burden of proof onto the defendant. Much of it was resisted by the Labour opposition. It's been going on for years and must be fought every step of the way.
flymogram 2 years ago 4
You think Britain is better now? Wake up, Labour ****ed us up worse than the Tories ever did and soon we'll have a general election and get rid of the labour scum!!!!!!! Remember, "THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER"!
sk8allo 2 years ago
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I agree. Labour betrayed us all and I look forward to them being shot to pieces at the next election.
theredraven 2 years ago
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Your nation chooses to celebrate their terrorist acts, then condemns others for acting against them.
Does that not make them hypocrites ?
And for the record, I am English not British, there is a world of difference.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
Your a prat
endlessraining 2 years ago 12
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And you are a cocksucking shit streak, your point is ?
Seems sticking up for one's country is wrong according to you.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
He is right, you really are a prat.
narrowboatboy 2 years ago
Better than being a cunt like you are.
Oh wait, a cunt is useful, which is more than you have ever been.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
@endlessraining No YOU'RE a prat.
ajuk1 1 year ago
@ajuk1 ssshh racists are naughty, that's why they never an MP elected
Lab356 1 year ago
I'm a Thatcherite but I agree that in 1997 the Tories were going to get blown out, it needed to happen for the Tories. in 2009/2010 Labour will get blown out and David Cameron will be PM.
gopconservative78 2 years ago
Dreamam , dream dream!
won't be an election this year mate!
llanberis100 2 years ago
I'm glad they lost. Major betrayed the legacy of Lady Thatcher. They reneged on a manifesto pledge not to raise taxes. And now under Cameron, they are now a social democratic party and not a market conservative party anymore.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
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nicholasisrael 2 years ago
The so-called: "legacy of Lady Thatcher".
didn't amount to much; while her rheotoric could be good, the performance of the 1979/1990 government was poor,
and Mr. Major had to do his best clearing things up. Tony Blair was a disappointment. And Gordon Brown a disaster! I hope Mr. Cameron will do better than these, and wish him all success, if a true One Nation Conservative governing in the best interests of all our people, not just the greedy ones!- I fondly remember a Man called Edward Heath.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
The so-called: "legacy of Lady Thatcher".
didn't amount to much; while her rheotoric could be good, the performance of the 1979/1990 government was poor,
and Mr. Major had to do his best clearing things up. Tony Blair was a disappointment. And Gordon Brown a disaster! I hope Mr. Cameron will do better then any of them, and wish him all success, if a true One Nation Conservative and governing in the best interests of all our people, like a real Man called Edward Heath.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
She was the most successful and greatest peacetime PM in our history. Privitisation worked wonders. All of our privatised industries were in the world's top 50. Our living standards tripled. She killed inflation before Lawson's stupidity by wedding the pound to the DM and loosening monetary policy let it back in again. 2 million new jobs were created in the private sector. Taxes were lowered for all income levels. Home ownership was increased by 22%. Heath sold us out to the monster EU
Mickmars90 2 years ago
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nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Mr. Heath didn't "sell us out" to the EEC/EU. - certainly less than we "sold out" to am unholy mixture of the banks,
Murdoch and American investment houses!
By the way, 'though I wouldn't claim that Euroland is any paradise, the vast majority of it and its' people are in a lot better shape than Thatcher, Blair and Brown have left this once great country!
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
He took us into the EEC. We have suffered with that for 3 decades. Europe is in a much worse shape than us. The monetary union is crippling the countries that need to devalue their currencies and lower their interest rates to accodomate their unique needs. The PIGS are in dire shape. Germany has no room to stimulate its export markets because the ECB has to take into account the conditions of 16 other countries. The only way a monetary union can work is if fiscal policy is harmonised
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Well, at least I agree with your last sentence... yet more reason why Britain should have joined the Euro at the outset. If you join a club, it's always a good idea to join at the outset, if possible, as with both the EEC and the Euro;
otherwise you tend to get prejudicial results later. Devaluation is no economy at anytime (e.g. Wilson's in the 60's), least of all with "globalisation".
Go to Holland/Germany/Sweden/Austria,
see better public services, living standards- don't believe the Sun.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
We weren't convergent with the Euro in 1999 at all. When the Euro was launched, it was launched at $1.17. It dropped to $0.80 and rose to $.90. It is not a stable currency. It is incredibly overvalued at the minute. Around 75% of our global investments are outside Euroland and denominated in dollars, and most of our trade is in dollars. If anything, we'd be better off joining the dollar. Along with currency volatility, we'd have demand cycle volatility.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
One thing's certain: the £ is unstable, and has been for a long time. Before the
Callaghan devaluation in 1967, when I was 8, it bought USD2.67. It went to 2.45.
It's been swinging around since- today,
I vaguely recall from Newsnight earlier,
USD1.30 or thereabouts. Currencies are not toys for speculators to play with-
lining their pockets at a given time.
The Euro is a well supported currency
and it won't be failing. Those who foolishly predicted its' early doom should account...
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Floating exchange rates are good things. Speculators can attack fixed exchange rates as easily as floating exchange rates. George Soros did this very well on White Wednesday. Its why the world abandoned the Gold Standard in 1971, although I am becoming more open to a partial gold standard in order to impose some fiscal discipline on countries that take too much advantage of fiat currencies
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Also, unemployment in Europe as a whole has been higher than it was in America and Britain since the EU was created. And economic growth has been faster in Britain and America, and all other English speaking nations than in Euroland.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Like I said before, if you'd bothered to read my previous comments, you'd realise that in 1997, after 18 years of Tory rule, Britain's banks' lending capacity was matched by the amount they held on deposit, because under Thatcher, the Bank of England's role to monitor the balance sheets of banks' was strengthened. Banks were required to hold lots of capital and cash. They were required to have high levels of capital adequacy. The explosion in private debt occured after 2001.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Devaluation isn't politically viable, but the devulation of the pound after White Wednesday sewed the seeds for the economic recovery and subsequent 16 years of growth.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Any old fool can try and cook the books and raid the larder to put off the day of reckoning...
Facts:-
This country is living on borrowed money.
This country lives beyond its' means.
This country has had very weak leaders.
This country doesn't work hard enough.
This country offers many a poor deal.
THIS IS ALSO A GREAT COUNTRY WHICH DESERVES SO MUCH BETTER THAN CONTINUED LIES, SELF-DELUSION, PROFITEERING FROM THE MASSES AND OPINION MANIPULATION.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
That is why Thatcher was the best peace time PM. Money supply control was central to her economic policy. Since 2001, money supply M4 has been growing at around 14% per annum. Interest rates were held high through the 80's to squeeze inflation out of the system, and high interest rates discourage borrowing. One of the causes of this crisis has been the artificially low interest rates created by the Fed, the BoE and the ECB over the last 10 years.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Yeah, like we care what the damn jews think.
You bastards still celebrate the murders at the King David Hotel in 1946 when British troops were killed.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
Nor do I give a stuff about rude anti-semite idiots think or say... or, for that matter, two-faced British zealots who would justify the false promises made to both Arabs and Jews during the British mandate in the former Palastine...
'Our' Irgun shot to break the deadlock.
The United Nations, supported by the USA/Canada/Australia/France/Soviet Union!, decided on the formation of Israel in 1948.
Only a prat would/should call us a bastards. Most of us, myself included,
have mother and father!
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Did isreal or did they not celebrate the 60th anniversary of that terrorist outrage in 2006 ?
Did Irgun not hang British troops, and boobytrap the bodies so they would explode when cut down.
Don't you dare comment on our nation when your nation is the biggest shithole ever created.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
read carefully you ignorant and
rude excuse for a British Man...
1 Israel celebrated its' 60th anniversary in 2008.
2 I'm British.
3 Irgun did hang British troops. British hung Zionist fighters.
4 I'm not necessarily a fan of Israel. Israel has made many mistakes. but has a right to defend itself like any legitimate country.
5 As for shitholes, Britain itself has much to answer for - including very rude people like you!
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Once again we have the jew & the lies..
Wikipedia says...
In July 2006, Israelis, including former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun, attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre.
The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem protested, saying "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated."
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
And, once again, we have the hatred...
on both sides. I'm no supporter of Bibi Netanyahu or the late Menachem Begin.
British - and not only British -Ambassadors are, in their words and ,
particularly with regard to Israel, deeds.
I don't condone deceit or lies or rudeless or still less violence from either or any side...
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nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Me asking you a direct question is hatred ?
Boy, you have paranoia down to a fine art.
DoctorScrumpy 2 years ago
You didn't ask me a direct question...
If you had done, I would have answered it,
even if I didn't like the implication or reality. I don't lack balls or courage; have no need to resort to abuse or nonsense,
and won't be prolonging this correspondence, unless it starts getting interesting...
Yes, Israel can be faulted...
Yes, it makes and has made mistakes...
If you have something objective to say,
then say it...
If you haven't, well, that's your problem,
not mine.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Thatcher's market policies did not lead to our debt problems. Mrs Thatcher's regulatory framework required the banks to hold lots of cash and capital. They had to have high levels of capital adequacy. The Bank of England ensured this. In 1997, the amount the banks were collectively lending was matched by the amount they held on deposit, and some banks were in surplus. In the 2007, there was an £800 billion deficit because Brown took the Bank of England's power to monitor debt in the banks
Mickmars90 2 years ago
Perhaps you can explain to me a mystery:
Mrs. Thatcher's policies involved market i.e. low wages for many people; yet soaring property prices and rents plus huge and ever rising consumer debt (people using credit cards to buy groceries and petrol for example)...
The number of people in tax-paying work diminished. The welfare bill went up.
Would you like to explain where all the money to finance this fundamentally flawed sum was ultimately going to come from?
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Markets don't automatically involve low wages. Wages drop during market reforms because the state pays more than inflation when it owns the means of production. Consumer debt exploded in this country after 2001. Money comes from taxation as always, or borrowing. If unemployment goes up and welfare bills increase, the automatic stabilisers kick in, and Keynesians would have us borrow it. It's why she set so much stock by controlling the money supply.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I don't think all this government or corporate or individual borrowing is a good thing.
I believe that you earn a collective pie;
divide some of it fairly, and save the rest for a rainy day.
You have as many people possible in
work. You take a fair rate of tax from them.
Businesses should not exploit people with high prices and low wages.
People should have incentives to work hard and spend their own money wisely.
Not be induced to borrow what they can't afford, nor waste money on crap.
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
That's why I agree with control of the money supply, though I am an advocate of the Austrian School. I am far from being a monetarist. I believe in very low taxes and a very small state. Wages should be determined by supply and demand. I don't agree with exploitation. We have laws and institutions that strength civic life. I believe the principal role of the state is to keep civil order and punish those who bring that order into disrepute. If businesses exploit, they should be destroyed.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
I'm going to bed now, so I'll reply to any replies over the weekend as I never go on a computer on a Friday for some reason.
Mickmars90 2 years ago
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don't like to shatter other people's illusions or delusions, unlike "our" beloved Margaret, but I'm afraid "there's no alternative"...
In 1972, one pound sterling would buy
more than DM8 (EUR4.09 today). The
newly privatised industries dabbled in the international market speculation and debt at the root of our economic problems today. Sure, some people got richer...
and a lot more heavily in debt... And, remember, it's not only government that can tax people too much but also greed
nicholasisrael 2 years ago
Worst election result ever. The Conservatives should have won.
Davidruffle2 3 years ago
Well, I don't know about '97 being the "worst result ever" for the Conservatives or that they "should have won." I mean, look at the 1945 election - the Conservatives had Winston Churchill as leader, fresh from having led Britain in WWII, and Labour still won a landslide victory similar to '97. I don't think anybody will contest that Churchill was a politician of much greater quality than Major, which made that result much more of a shock than '97. So, put in context not the "worst result ever"
Mikey10368 3 years ago
Well I agree the Tories should have won, but lets be honest here after 18 years of rule, there were just too much baggage and people were fed up so a "House Cleaning" had to be done but in 2009/2010 the Tories will be back in power
gopconservative78 2 years ago
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Davidruffle2 3 years ago
Best night ever!!
llanberis100 3 years ago 5
thatcher would have won
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
its sad to watch really
chuckmonkey7337 3 years ago 5
It is. All that hope and now 11 years down the line the country is falling apart around us,
theredraven 3 years ago 3
Have Labour actually achieved any of what they promised?
cjr897 3 years ago 3
Outside of some (unwanted) reforms to the Lords I don't think they have.
theredraven 3 years ago
Minimum wage.
053bss 3 years ago 2
Wow, not a great education system, being tough on crime or great infrastructure, or being careful with our money?
cjr897 3 years ago
I agree...I live in Scotland, and I remember that night, how much hope there was here - and not just here, but everywhere in Britain. Even everyone Have I Got News For You was in raptures about the result. I'll know that I'll come under attack from the Maggie Fan Club for saying this, but it was obvious that Britain was just sick of the Conservatives by 1997, and it seems to be going that way now, only with Labour instead. Britain has see-saw'd like this so many times, it's now a formality!
Mikey10368 3 years ago
On a general note steps, why are your posts so vacuous? You say brown has 'bankrupted' the country' but you don't explain how you arrive at that conclusion. Do you know what bankruptcy is?
SERVANTOFSET 3 years ago
Edinburgh Pentlands was not such a shock as Enfield Southgate. Hove also fell that evening but was not held by a prominant MP so did not get as much coverage. Putney result was brilliant televison. St Albans, Wimbledon, Crawley, Hastings all fell like a deck of cards that night....!
jasetheaceukuk 3 years ago
I remember this night very well. Was only 18 at the time, and I remember everyone in Edinburgh celebrating a stunning victory.
fabioramsay 3 years ago
The thing that everyone seems to forget about this election is that the Liberal Democrats more than doubled their seats thanks to Paddy Ashdown's success! (somethig that is too often overshadowed by Blair's landslide.)
lelvish1 3 years ago
This gives me goosebumps, such an amazing event. Pity that Blair made the mistakes he did later on.
flymogram 3 years ago
Hubble, Bubble, Toil and Trouble, the Tory Party's reduced to rubble!!
2627006 3 years ago
I was 13 when Labour got elected in '97. I remember watching the election coverage with my Mum and Dad. They couldn't believe the Tories were gone, they were so happy. I remember them saying how they felt like crying the morning they woke up in '92 and found they'd got in again. I didn't know anything about politics at the time but I felt so optimistic the next day, it was such a hopeful time.
Now look at where we are and all that's gone since then...
They're all a bunch of fucking crooks.
billybudd94 3 years ago 2
i can only hope the republicans get as roundly defeated as the tories did that evening come this november...
pucklusti10 3 years ago 17
We'll find out tomorrow. And I completely agree. I hope they get slaughtered like the Tories did here.
mdhookey 3 years ago 4
where did you get these videos thier verry nice!
citroenfanatic 3 years ago 4
David Dimbleby, Peter Snow and Jeremy Paxman all make election night a great event. It's a shame Peter Snow is no longer involved, but i really will miss David when he leaves. But not yet, he's got a good few left
Lab355 3 years ago 18
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david dimbleby killing the mood there, he's a right Tory, bullingdom club and everything.
danny88101 3 years ago
It must be said, the 1997 election was a HUGE defeat for the Tories. Whichever way you look at it I can't see Labour doing as badly in 2009/10. Losing half the Cabinet's seats, under 200 seats, lowest share of the vote since the early 19th century...
The Tories really were smashed that night.
Octavium 3 years ago 12
The current polls show the tories on 49% with Labour 26%..if that's repeated in 2010 believe me 1997 will pale into insignificance
steps1 3 years ago 11
John Major was at least an honest, down-to-earth and likeable man. He didn't have dozens of people to manipulate the media, he didn't tax us to the wall, he didn't bring in ban after ban, he didn't lose 25m people's data, he didn't raid pension funds, he didn't start an illegal war, he didn't bankrupt the country with unprecidented waste and pointless quangos...
...If Labour isn't truly smashed in 18 months time, I will be very surprised.
moshabee 3 years ago 13
Yes, still happily sitting on the board of the Carlyle Group and personally profiting from an illegal war.
Silly Cunt.