@anestBannedagain Carved out of the same wood? Why? Because of the suspiciously similar propaganda posters? Because the Nazis used the word "socialist" in the name of their party? Because that is the only evidence I can see in the Soviet Story.
The british colonial regime in India wasn't bad either, as it caused 30 million deaths by starvation in 1877! They exported grains even though the indigenous population was starving to death. Hitler and Stalin were not the only devils.
When will this DVD be available to buy in the United Kingdom? I keep waiting for amazon or someone else to have it for sale. Get your act together, you're loosing customers here, who are possibly dowloading the torrent of the film as they got fed up waiting.
I can't understand why people blaim Russians for the crimes that were commited by Stalin. Stalin gave the orders and Stalin wasn't even Russian !!! He was Georgian ! He deported and killed millions of Russians. In fact it were Latvian Rifleman who suppressed anti-Bolshevik uprisings in Moscow and Yaroslavl in 1918 and changed the course of the civil war. If Latvians (who by the way created this movie) wouldn't help the communists at that time, they would never come to power in Russia !!!
@Rufusoide I didn't get the impression that this film was anti-Russian but anti-communist. Also, it points the finger at the Western collaborators with the ideology like B. Shaw and other idiots, which had a hand in deceiving the West into accepting the Soviet monstrosity, before, during, and for many years after the WWII. Having said that, it cannot be denied that many thousands of Russians collaborated with Stalin, out of fear or ideology.
@pedroinlondonvideos You are correct, the primary purpose of this film is to demonize Communism. That's because the Soviet Story was funded entirely by Right-wing political parties. The title is SOVIET Story yet most of it is dedicated to comparing Nazism to the USSR, of course without the slightest consideration of context, established facts, checked historical evidence instead comparing propaganda posters. On the other hand, actual atrocities like Stalin's purges are almost completely ignored.
@pedroinlondonvideos However, the SS is also extremely hateful towards Russians.
Here is a direct quote from the Soviet Story:
"Turning human tragedy into a farce has become a norm in Russia. Ridiculing the Ukrainian famine or the Jewish holocaust is the norm."
Present-day Russia is portrayed as a country run by neo-Nazis and Putin branded as following in Stalin's footsteps all without even the slightest shred of objectivity. It could hardly be more bigoted and slanderous. It disgusts me!
@pedroinlondonvideos I'm not trying to defend Shaw but a regard to hindsight wouldn't hurt. Consider for a moment what your opinion would be if you were living in early 20th century, before the horrors of the Holocaust became apparent. Would you be a Fascist or a Communist? Back then thousands of people in the UK and USA were ardent Nazi or Communist (Bolshevik) supporters. These people weren't necessarily evil, they simply weren't aware of what these false ideologies really meant.
@JD12ish If I were a German in early 30's Germany, after witnessing the wave of communism that had been sweeping through Europe, I would had been a Nazi sympathizer, very probably.
@pedroinlondonvideos Admirable honesty. But why would you want to be a Nazi not a Communist? Are you an anti-Semite? Weren’t they in actual fact both the same according to the Soviet Story? Besides, most Stalin’s atrocities had only become known after the fall of the Berlin Wall. And how would you know Communism would have been as bad in Germany as it was in Russia (Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht were fierce critics of Stalin)? Or maybe you just prefer black/brown colour to red.
@JD12ish It's fantastic that someone who accused the makers of the film of historical ignorance can say that "most Stalin’s atrocities had only become known after the fall of the Berlin Wall". The truth had been known by anyone with a brain (those Right-wing political nuts) almost from day one. I don't know what antisemitism is, but am Anti-jewish without a doubt. And how could anyone living in 30's Europe not be one, after the judeo-communist epidemic had spread through the land, is beyond me.
@pedroinlondonvideos I'm curious: How would you explain the rather frequent violent pogroms against Jews in the Soviet Union and even before in tzarist Russia (the very word "pogrom" is Russian in origin)? Did you know Stalin was an antisemite himself?
@JD12ish An Israeli student finishes school without hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda implemented Stalin's is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.
@thegreatfearblog His Jewish deputies established the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was ... replaced as chief hangman by Yezhov. Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian S. Montefiore writes that when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by young Jewish women. So much for your fabled Stalinistic antisemitism
@thegreatfearblog Wait, are you saying all 10 million people killed were Jews? Because that is what is implied from your comment.
Have you seen the Soviet Story? In it, it is directly implied that during WW2 the Soviets were in actual fact the ones responsible for the Shoah because they supposedly helped the Nazis build concentration camps and the NKVD supposedly trained Gestapo (which is utter nonsense!). Therefore the Soviet Story in a way tries to exonerate the Nazis of their inhumane crime.
@JD12ish The comment, which is not mine, does not imply that in the slightless. It is completely beyond me how you can read that.
I haven't and prob won't. I was looking to see if it's worth doing it.
I won't debate the veracity of the "inhumane crime" you refer to, and I don't think I wish to debate anything with you, unless you were drunk when you posted your last (first paragraph of) comment. If you weren't, you are an idiot.
@thegreatfearblog Calm down Mr schizophrenia. I guess that comment was written by the “other you”. You could have responded rationally and calmly, perhaps even with some historical facts which I would have loved, but instead you insult me. I guess REASON is asking too much, especially given your serious mental condition.
@thegreatfearblog I have never denied or belittled any Soviet crimes but I simply can’t stand it when people blow these out of proportion and start saying the Soviets were worse than the Nazis (because in many ways that exonerates the Nazis!). I especially hate it when simple people attribute atrocities to “evil” (apparently stemming from Communism or being Slavic or something), disregarding historical context and background (of course, that is NOT to say that context justifies atrocities!).
@JD12ish So you simply cannot stand me, then. I agree, as most people with a brain or even half of one do, that Stalin' crimes greatly exceed Hitler's, even if you accept the 6 million and the gas chambers...
@thegreatfearblog No, actually after your latest posts it's quite the opposite. You see, unlike the overwhelming majority of simpletons here, you do not claim to know something you don't.
I don't have a problem with you, instead I have a HUGE problem with the film Soviet Story (SS) for reasons that I have tried to put forward in my comments under the dozens of SS videos here on YouTube. A film that claims to be a “documentary” but is really nothing more than a vile slandering propaganda film.
@thegreatfearblog Some estimates even claim SEVENTEEN MILLION souls perished in Nazi death-camps!
Think about that for a second and then check it yourself if you don't believe me. Why have these people been forgotten? Why is their death any different from that of the Jews?
A mantra of remembering Shoah is to "never forget". Apparently, we have already failed.
@JD12ish How do I know that...? Does one leave a wound to fester because one cannot possibly know if it will cause gangrene? You must be either mad or a communist. I mean, you must be a communist. And yes, I would choose the lesser evil of black/brown anytime; I do prefer imaginary holocausts to very real Gulags and engineered famines.
It's one of the wost lies in modern history that while Hitler was rightly condemned for his barbaric regime. Stalin (who imho was worse than Hitler) is being taught of as a great statesman and hero in Russian schools now
The number and composition of the imprisoned changed again in summer 1943, when the Germans brought Latvian families to Salaspils who were suspected of acts of resistance. The guards of the camp locked children up to the age of five in a special shack, several hundred of these infants died during their custody.
During the first months Salaspils was managed solely as a death camp for Jewish men from Germany. Since May 1942 together with these thousands of "Reichsjuden" - Jews from the German Reich - several thousand Latvian political prisoners were kept in the camp.
After their arrival in Riga in April 1944 Helfsgott and his men were accommodated near the concentration camp Salaspils. There, Jewish men who had been deported from Germany to Riga, were forced to build the first shacks for prisoners in December 1941. Approximately more than 25.000 people were kept there at the same time in a total of 45 shacks.
@anestBannedagain Carved out of the same wood? Why? Because of the suspiciously similar propaganda posters? Because the Nazis used the word "socialist" in the name of their party? Because that is the only evidence I can see in the Soviet Story.
JD12ish 1 year ago
The british colonial regime in India wasn't bad either, as it caused 30 million deaths by starvation in 1877! They exported grains even though the indigenous population was starving to death. Hitler and Stalin were not the only devils.
Scorpitarios 1 year ago 4
When will this DVD be available to buy in the United Kingdom? I keep waiting for amazon or someone else to have it for sale. Get your act together, you're loosing customers here, who are possibly dowloading the torrent of the film as they got fed up waiting.
pedroinlondonvideos 2 years ago
I can't understand why people blaim Russians for the crimes that were commited by Stalin. Stalin gave the orders and Stalin wasn't even Russian !!! He was Georgian ! He deported and killed millions of Russians. In fact it were Latvian Rifleman who suppressed anti-Bolshevik uprisings in Moscow and Yaroslavl in 1918 and changed the course of the civil war. If Latvians (who by the way created this movie) wouldn't help the communists at that time, they would never come to power in Russia !!!
Rufusoide 2 years ago
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pedroinlondonvideos 2 years ago
@Rufusoide I didn't get the impression that this film was anti-Russian but anti-communist. Also, it points the finger at the Western collaborators with the ideology like B. Shaw and other idiots, which had a hand in deceiving the West into accepting the Soviet monstrosity, before, during, and for many years after the WWII. Having said that, it cannot be denied that many thousands of Russians collaborated with Stalin, out of fear or ideology.
pedroinlondonvideos 2 years ago
@pedroinlondonvideos You are correct, the primary purpose of this film is to demonize Communism. That's because the Soviet Story was funded entirely by Right-wing political parties. The title is SOVIET Story yet most of it is dedicated to comparing Nazism to the USSR, of course without the slightest consideration of context, established facts, checked historical evidence instead comparing propaganda posters. On the other hand, actual atrocities like Stalin's purges are almost completely ignored.
JD12ish 1 year ago
@pedroinlondonvideos However, the SS is also extremely hateful towards Russians.
Here is a direct quote from the Soviet Story:
"Turning human tragedy into a farce has become a norm in Russia. Ridiculing the Ukrainian famine or the Jewish holocaust is the norm."
Present-day Russia is portrayed as a country run by neo-Nazis and Putin branded as following in Stalin's footsteps all without even the slightest shred of objectivity. It could hardly be more bigoted and slanderous. It disgusts me!
JD12ish 1 year ago
@pedroinlondonvideos I'm not trying to defend Shaw but a regard to hindsight wouldn't hurt. Consider for a moment what your opinion would be if you were living in early 20th century, before the horrors of the Holocaust became apparent. Would you be a Fascist or a Communist? Back then thousands of people in the UK and USA were ardent Nazi or Communist (Bolshevik) supporters. These people weren't necessarily evil, they simply weren't aware of what these false ideologies really meant.
JD12ish 1 year ago
@JD12ish If I were a German in early 30's Germany, after witnessing the wave of communism that had been sweeping through Europe, I would had been a Nazi sympathizer, very probably.
pedroinlondonvideos 1 year ago
@pedroinlondonvideos Admirable honesty. But why would you want to be a Nazi not a Communist? Are you an anti-Semite? Weren’t they in actual fact both the same according to the Soviet Story? Besides, most Stalin’s atrocities had only become known after the fall of the Berlin Wall. And how would you know Communism would have been as bad in Germany as it was in Russia (Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht were fierce critics of Stalin)? Or maybe you just prefer black/brown colour to red.
JD12ish 11 months ago
@JD12ish It's fantastic that someone who accused the makers of the film of historical ignorance can say that "most Stalin’s atrocities had only become known after the fall of the Berlin Wall". The truth had been known by anyone with a brain (those Right-wing political nuts) almost from day one. I don't know what antisemitism is, but am Anti-jewish without a doubt. And how could anyone living in 30's Europe not be one, after the judeo-communist epidemic had spread through the land, is beyond me.
pedroinlondonvideos 11 months ago
@pedroinlondonvideos I'm curious: How would you explain the rather frequent violent pogroms against Jews in the Soviet Union and even before in tzarist Russia (the very word "pogrom" is Russian in origin)? Did you know Stalin was an antisemite himself?
JD12ish 11 months ago
@JD12ish An Israeli student finishes school without hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda implemented Stalin's is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.
thegreatfearblog 11 months ago
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@thegreatfearblog His Jewish deputies established the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was ... replaced as chief hangman by Yezhov. Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian S. Montefiore writes that when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by young Jewish women. So much for your fabled Stalinistic antisemitism
thegreatfearblog 11 months ago
@thegreatfearblog Wait, are you saying all 10 million people killed were Jews? Because that is what is implied from your comment.
Have you seen the Soviet Story? In it, it is directly implied that during WW2 the Soviets were in actual fact the ones responsible for the Shoah because they supposedly helped the Nazis build concentration camps and the NKVD supposedly trained Gestapo (which is utter nonsense!). Therefore the Soviet Story in a way tries to exonerate the Nazis of their inhumane crime.
JD12ish 10 months ago
@JD12ish The comment, which is not mine, does not imply that in the slightless. It is completely beyond me how you can read that.
I haven't and prob won't. I was looking to see if it's worth doing it.
I won't debate the veracity of the "inhumane crime" you refer to, and I don't think I wish to debate anything with you, unless you were drunk when you posted your last (first paragraph of) comment. If you weren't, you are an idiot.
thegreatfearblog 10 months ago
@thegreatfearblog Calm down Mr schizophrenia. I guess that comment was written by the “other you”. You could have responded rationally and calmly, perhaps even with some historical facts which I would have loved, but instead you insult me. I guess REASON is asking too much, especially given your serious mental condition.
JD12ish 10 months ago
@JD12ish I could not respond calmly to your first paragraph, no. I can't certainly give you historical facts to prove that absurdity.
The comment was not written by my "other me", but by the israeli journalist Sever Plocker, at ynetnews.
thegreatfearblog 10 months ago
@thegreatfearblog I have never denied or belittled any Soviet crimes but I simply can’t stand it when people blow these out of proportion and start saying the Soviets were worse than the Nazis (because in many ways that exonerates the Nazis!). I especially hate it when simple people attribute atrocities to “evil” (apparently stemming from Communism or being Slavic or something), disregarding historical context and background (of course, that is NOT to say that context justifies atrocities!).
JD12ish 10 months ago
@JD12ish So you simply cannot stand me, then. I agree, as most people with a brain or even half of one do, that Stalin' crimes greatly exceed Hitler's, even if you accept the 6 million and the gas chambers...
thegreatfearblog 10 months ago
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@thegreatfearblog No, actually after your latest posts it's quite the opposite. You see, unlike the overwhelming majority of simpletons here, you do not claim to know something you don't.
I don't have a problem with you, instead I have a HUGE problem with the film Soviet Story (SS) for reasons that I have tried to put forward in my comments under the dozens of SS videos here on YouTube. A film that claims to be a “documentary” but is really nothing more than a vile slandering propaganda film.
JD12ish 10 months ago
@thegreatfearblog Some estimates even claim SEVENTEEN MILLION souls perished in Nazi death-camps!
Think about that for a second and then check it yourself if you don't believe me. Why have these people been forgotten? Why is their death any different from that of the Jews?
A mantra of remembering Shoah is to "never forget". Apparently, we have already failed.
JD12ish 10 months ago
@JD12ish How do I know that...? Does one leave a wound to fester because one cannot possibly know if it will cause gangrene? You must be either mad or a communist. I mean, you must be a communist. And yes, I would choose the lesser evil of black/brown anytime; I do prefer imaginary holocausts to very real Gulags and engineered famines.
pedroinlondonvideos 11 months ago
@pedroinlondonvideos I'm sorry but what exactly do you mean by " IMAGINARY Holocaust " ?
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say, please elaborate.
JD12ish 11 months ago
It's one of the wost lies in modern history that while Hitler was rightly condemned for his barbaric regime. Stalin (who imho was worse than Hitler) is being taught of as a great statesman and hero in Russian schools now
1919k 2 years ago
(1) Bellow (1977): 129.
(2) Lanzmann (1988): 20.
(3) See Weliczker-Wells (1963): 194p.
(4) See Angrick/Klein (2006): 416.
(5) Informations about Salaspils from Verstermanis (2002): 478pp.
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hloja2009 2 years ago
The number and composition of the imprisoned changed again in summer 1943, when the Germans brought Latvian families to Salaspils who were suspected of acts of resistance. The guards of the camp locked children up to the age of five in a special shack, several hundred of these infants died during their custody.
hloja2009 2 years ago
During the first months Salaspils was managed solely as a death camp for Jewish men from Germany. Since May 1942 together with these thousands of "Reichsjuden" - Jews from the German Reich - several thousand Latvian political prisoners were kept in the camp.
hloja2009 2 years ago
This film ir propaganda:
After their arrival in Riga in April 1944 Helfsgott and his men were accommodated near the concentration camp Salaspils. There, Jewish men who had been deported from Germany to Riga, were forced to build the first shacks for prisoners in December 1941. Approximately more than 25.000 people were kept there at the same time in a total of 45 shacks.
hloja2009 2 years ago
Looks to be the film of the 21st century
dave777blaster 2 years ago 6