Who is an isolationist? What is isolationist about trade with all, entangling alliances with none. Care to document your assertion that Mises was a supporter of fascism? This should be good. He wasn't quite an anarchist, but he was a minarchist to an extreme degree.
@superhoga Ron Paul is an isolationist, in terms of military entanglements. Of course, in terms of neoliberalism, no one is more supportive of oppression
Mises said once "It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history."
So that makes him a non-interventionist. Crazy. By the way, what do you think makes for more peace? Influence through trade or going around slapping people because you think they might someday do something to you? I don't know for sure, but I would probably respond better to someone with whom I conducted mutually beneficial trade.
I'm sorry you typed out that long quote without remembering to provide the source. Such things are important for verification.
@superhoga Man I hate these short posting parameters but I guess it prevents us from pasting whole books, eh?.
Anyway, pg52 begins with, "As the liberal sees it, the task of the state consists solely
and exclusively in guaranteeing the protection of life, health, liberty, and private
property against violent attacks. Everything that goes beyond this is an evil." Ergo, Mises considered fascism evil. I think you'll agree calling something less evil than communism isn't much of a support.
@AndrewRayGorman Never mind, I found your quote. pg51 of Mises' book, Liberalism. In a chapter that attacks fascism. You can read it for yourself in pdf at mises org. To quote the sentence directly after your quote: "But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could
promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as
something more would be a fatal error." Mises was grateful for fascism's role in defeating Communism.
It is a myth that Hitler and Stalin were opponents. For much of Hitler's reign, they secretly worked hand in hand as documented in The Soviet Story. Regardless, Mises evidently thought they played a role and was grateful for it. Nevertheless, if you read that chapter from which the quote is taken, you'll see he is not remotely a supporter. It's only 5 pages. He was utilitarian enough to appreciate the lesser of two evils while still considering them evil.
There never was a "good" war. It's a myth. Praises to Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs, John Lennon, Tom Paxton & everyone who wrote & sang anti-war songs, and for those who fought with guns & suffered & died, and those who suffered & died carrying peace signs. When will we ever learn?
There is one error in this song I have to put out because almost everybody make it. Pete sings "It'll make our generals sad" and this is not true. Always remember that it is the politicians who start the war not the army.
I sang this in Crawford, TX 2003 for Veterans Against the War . Bush was in town. I had to go pee after driving a couple of hours, and mistakenly stopped at the regular Press tent - I barely escaped getting arrested just for wanting to use the portapotty. Luckily, the peace rally was just down the road. I changed the words to apply to Iraq, don't remember exactly how now. God bless Pete Seeger.
Obama argued with Hilary and promised to bring the soldiers home in 60 days after his election. We are so credulous and we believed him Stump promises and end to the credulous faith again and again take up your guitars raise your fists for freedom.
While you MAY be right, what does that have to do with anything the military is doing presently? We didn't lose our freedoms by invasion, our own government took them away.
Yeah, I've got no stomach whatsoever for brutally murdering innocent people. What a horrible person I am.
@superhoga You commie scumbag. You honestly believe your neighbor deserves respect. If it were up to people like you, we wouldn't be shelling out money to the banks, and the auto companies.
I just feel terrible about that whole non-agression axiom. The world would be a much safer place if I would just reflexively kill more random people on behalf of politicians, but as YorkGod1 says, I'm just too squeamish about depriving children of their parents. Why can't I see that maiming one more child makes me that much more free. I need to wise up and honor those brave heroes who toss candy in front of the truck so they can run over the children.
@superhoga Well since you mention candy ,children and a truck.... on July 13, 2005 12 children died in a suicide bomb car attack in Baghdad. The children were clustered near a small group of American Soldiers who ware giving away candy and small toys. 37 Iraqi people and 1 American soldier lost their lives, Yes you are quite right he died tossing candy in front of a truck. You know nothing about the men and women you attack and even less about the war they are fighting.
I know little about the war they are fighting because I've never invaded or occupied anyone else's property. Are you saying that the US gov soldier is just as bloodthirsty as who you would term the enemy? I would agree except that the US soldier has much more destructive tools at his disposal. It is a tragedy that 37 Iraqis died. But do you focus that same disgust on Madeliene Albright who said the death of 500,000 Iraqi children (due to sanctions) was "worth it"?
What would you do if an army invaded your land? Would you bow your knee or would you rally to your countrymen? Would you only fight in marching formation or would you resort to geurilla warfare? What would be your rules of engagement? Would you thank the invaders for the candy even though their depleted uranium munitions left your baby brother with horrible birth defects? What if they killed your parents while they were trying to find some food? What if they raped your sister?
@superhoga Are you seriously arguing that attacking children with bombs is just a lets say a more leisure look at the rules of engagement. Very well then let me speak to you as people like you should be spoken to. Maybe you ,being an idiot, have not noticed but the target of that attack were not just the american soldiers but the people around them as well. Maybe you have failed to notice but the vast majority of casualties are Iraqi killed by Iraqi.Its nothing like you describe...
@Morclaw No, I'm pretty sure that's not what I'm saying. And no, it's actually exactly as I describe. It's what happens when any people group is marginalized and propagandized to be less than people.
I have indeed noticed that many Iraqis are being killed. I just question why any of them are killed by the USG. Since it's wrong for an Iraqi to do it with his carbomb, it's wrong for a USG soldier to do it with his bomb.
@superhoga What are you, an idiot? It's only a crime if THEY do it...Hell, I just stabbed a Mexican baby today, 'cause I heard that it might grow up to stab me. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
@YorkGod1 Pete acknowledges your point at 01:44 - "if an army invaded this land of mine ... you'd find me up on the firing line." Viet Nam was not a threat to our national security. It was only a threat to our national pride--and misplaced pride at that. The side we supported inevitably lost after our withdrawal. Did our country collapse because of that? Obviously not. If we are on the brink of collapse, it's in large part because we wasted money on wars that were not worth fighting.
@YorkGod1 With all due respect, this reminds me of the klutz who, after a pratfall, dusts himself off, gets up, giggles nervously, and proclaims, "I did that on PURPOSE!" Not real convincing :)
@Hister333 'Because War does NOT effect those still stateside'? /:-| This country (USA) goes to war . . . or it USED to go-to-war based on the blessing(s) of her people.
BTW The Vietnam war is over, but it lasted for MANY years. So to will it have been when . . . IF we ever make it out of The Middle East.
@matthewmcneany That'sright, buddy. Indeed it is. But as long as the people allow corporatism an unrestrained rule in the US and the EU, nothing will ever change. Protest songs attacking a puppet president or a head of state will however never change anything. That is just like shooting at the piano player rather than the composers of the shitty music he is hired on to play. (But of course, having said that, BD aimed at the shadow government with his "Masters of War"... inherited from Woody?)
I really do hate to be a troll but, this is the most unpatriotic BS. You don't have the perspective to see that it was the American people's fear that started the Vietnam and Korean war, and that we cannot start or end wars on a whim of the American people.
@mr8mahatta as one who has studied the war and lived through that generation, it was a combination of Red Scare and economics. You can bet the French were in Vietnam for resources, and post WWII, when things were shifting politically, we started angling in to take over Vietnam. The Domino Theory claimed that if one country fell to Communism, the others would topple like dominoes. Of course, Americans are totally innocent of Ulterior motives.
@sabymoon Red Scare was the puppet US government ulterior. The real reason was the enormous off-shore oil and gas reserves, which are being exploited at present (Started some 20 years after the reunification). And it is the same corporatism, shadow government, running the US today, waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan (pipelines). Hence, when you say "economics", you are right. All those killed back then, wasting their lives for the corporate pockets. Iraq/Afghanistan is a repeat of the same.
@josephpatrickhealey What you said. Too many Americans have brought their loved ones home in flag-draped caskets and have been left to pick up the pieces. I would know...my family is one of them.
Amazing how this song keeps on being relevant. OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST NOW! Bring them HOME! I voted for Obama for nothing - CLOSES GITMO! STOP BREAKING UP THE UNIONS, STOP THE WAR MACHINE AND THE BILLIONS. Don't join the armed forces, there is NO draft. Stop WAR NOW.
We people have to realize that Obama's change wont happen instantly we stupidly put our foot in under the republicans and now we have to fix it we cant just leave we have screwed up their country.
War will never end, its the economic system that creates them and hidden faces that support them. No terrorism,no religion porpuses, no saviors no nothinq, just money for weapon to create debt and oil. What is sad is that most american dont even see it! They believe that by bringing their ass to the war and killing them selves is just ''serving tha nation'' and heroic acts. Fuck me, just open your eyes..thats the fucking world we live in
@josephpatrickhealey what you expected? obama has nothinq to do whith it, everyone behind him do. They have no economic interest in bringing them home..
Loved the song and the video and Pete! Have embedded it at my site GreatProtestSongsDOTcom/protest-music/ Can you check you are happy with this. If not, leave a comment at the bottom of that page and I will remove. Click on the 'support the troops bring em home' icon under the feature. If you like the site and it is OK, leave a comment anyway and Like it on FB ;-) Thanks !
friends of mine went to vientam in the begining of 1970. Because they made some stupid things. And they got the decison to go to prison or to vietnam..Not because they believed in that stupid war.So they went to vietnam......They came home - but never slept a whole night without nightmare.....
Never forget Vietnam. Never forget the war. And tell everyone: WE DON'T WANT A WAR! WE WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE
It seems that music and poetry was a very large part of the anti-war movements of the 60s and 70s, and in more contemporary times, we have few voices who will truly say anything outspoken; they are all concerned with making money and being 'politically correct'. Everyone is concerned with what lady gaga or lindsey lohan or justin bieber is doing. We need a voice, and many of us, including myself, feel lost in all the shouting and misdirection being done in the world.
I want to start a war with North Korea, China so we wont have to pay them, so much simpler, invade Europe so we can have BMW and Mercedes for free, also africa so we can have gorillas and lions for free, Latin American for we can get chilis, and Iran and Kuwait for oil prices will go down. Damn war makes thinks more simpler, or we should just nuke everybody that will be simpler.
A pamphlet, no matter how good, is never read more than once. But a song is learned by heart and repeated over and over.
So I sing this for India, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Mexico, Sudan, N&S Korea, Burma, Israel, Spain, France, Colombia, Indonesia,Philippines, Laos, Turkey, Uganda, DR Congo, Central African Republic, Senegal, Ethiopia, Algeria, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco,Nigeria, Thailand, Chad, Cote d'Ivoire BRING EM HOME!
GenBanks in years of counter recruiting work I was pretty much forced to read and research into the various segments of rectuits and why they enlist, i.e. their motives. If you take the effort, you will emerge from the process sadder but wiser, Google for "propensity to enlist" and "youth attitudes" esp. the books at nap.edu.
@lilifyre So let's insult the Viet Minh by comparing them to theocratic,ultra right wing,ultra reactionary,genocidal,chauvinist,LGBT hating,mass murdering scum like the Taliban.
Bravo for the post-modern "anti-war" movement.Bravo.
@Christian121y They're both pointless and unwinnable. If I remember right, we went in there to find Bin Laden. Now we're trying to "liberate" a people who love killing each other.
@Hister333 Excuse me sir,but the Afghan people have suffered for and fought for your own freedom(and theirs)in far morestruggle than history illiterate,idle Americans such as yourself have done in perhaps decades.Every war one disagrees with is "unwinnable".Iraq was unwinnable,Korea was unwinnable,the Phillipines were unwinnable,the American south was unwinnable,and as a matter of fact the entire American continent was "unwinnable".Just because you're not bright enough to imagine a successful
@Hister333 Just like the South during the American Civil War right?There were only fair elections for blacks where there were substantial numbers of federal troops.Therefore it would have been "unwinnable" to ever try to give blacks free elections in the South right?Well this nation listened to your equivalents in 1877 when the North pulled out all federal troops from the south and you know what happened?Black people were lynched for the next century.Good job man.
@Hister333 But I suppose they wouldn't have mattered to you either being that black people voting ha dnothing to do with our freedoms either.Also do you consider the Second World War to still be in a state of contention?"We" still have occupation troops in all of the Axis countries."We" also have troops stationed all over the American continent.Are the Indian Wars still in a state of vendetta?
@Hister333 "If I remember right, we went in there to find Bin Laden" First of all,cut with this "we" shit.YOU have NOT been at war during the War on Terror.You've been at the mall or at the club like 99% of all Americans who HAVE NOT even had a family member who's served anywhere during the GWOT.And no idiot,"we" did not go into Afghanistan just to "find" Bin Laden anymore than "we" went into the Civil War to find the soldiers who fired the shots on Fort Sumpter.
@Christian121y Actually, my brother was there, and I can honestly say I did more for the "GWOT" pointing out Bin Laden at the mall than my brother did. Yes, because Afghanistan was "firing" on us. "YAWN."
@Christian121y My brother might kick my ass, but he's too much of an emotional wreck from mental problems the Army denies he could have gotten from being in a war zone.
@Hister333 Believe it or not there was this whole NETWORK of people and an IDEOLOGY that spanned the globe that were responsible for numerous terror attacks not only against us but the entire world's population as well.Hence why "we" kill them,because they want to kill us.
@Hister333 No "we" never gave "them" (Al-Qaeda and the Talibs) money in the same way Louis 16nth never gave money to the Ku Klux Klan(damn that man for giving those pesky American rebels foreign aid,doesn't he know you have to learn to fight your own wars?).There was a reason Ahmad Shah Massoud was CIA's favorite recipient of aid and not Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
@Christian121y Well, if Louis 16th had spent more time worrying about his own country's problems instead of ours, he might've been buried with his head attached to his body.
@Christian121y And do we do that in places like Pakistan, that harbor the leader of Al-Qaeda, and then arrest people for telling us where he is? No, we give them money.
@Hister333 Who says we shouldn't have more raids in Pakistan?Who says we shouldn't put aid out as a reward for dead Caliphatists?Who says we shouldn't attack the Pakistani ISI in self defense for attacking us?
@Hister333 "Now we're trying to "liberate" a people who love killing each other."
First of all I already got done with you on this "we" shit.Second of all,if ending the medieval oppression of women,ending genocide,ending enforced poverty and extirpation,and holding free elections in Afghanistan do NOT count as liberation in your book,then please refer yourself to my previous post about the "unwinnable" epithet.Once again,please look up the definition of liberation please and develop critical
@Christian121y Um...we didn't go in there to liberate women. That was back in the '90s, and about two years into Bush's Presidency, and we didn't care. If we "liberated" them, then why are we still there? We're pushing ten years now.
@Hister333 "Um...we didn't go in there to liberate women. That was back in the '90s, and about two years into Bush's Presidency, and we didn't care. If we "liberated" them, then why are we still there?"
The American Civil War was also "not" fought for the rights of African Americans.You just had Jef Davis talking about how the Confederate struggle was formed on the cornerstone of slavery and all.Same thing with Mullah Omar and the international caliphate.Nothing important here.
@Christian121y The Civil War was not fought for the rights of African Americans. That wasn't even an issue until halfway through the war. You want a quote? How about I paraphrase Abraham Lincoln: "I will win this war if it means freeing all the slaves, or freeing none of them." And if we cared about those poor Afghani women, we would have gone in there almost ten years before.
@Hister333 "The Civil War was not fought for the rights of African Americans."
Yes it was.Read what the Confederates themselves wrote again.Read what John Brown and the militant abolitionist freedom fighters provoked in the North and South.Look at the state motto of Kansas and the strife of Missouri. I could go all day with this,man.
@Christian121y Or I could just look at the writings of Abraham Lincoln who didn't even mention slavery until two years into it, instead talking about the importance of preserving the Union. Of course, he was just the president. Who cares what he says?
@Hister333 "You want a quote? How about I paraphrase Abraham Lincoln: "I will win this war if it means freeing all the slaves, or freeing none of them."
That was Lincoln refusing to alienate the border states lest the entire war effort would have been for naught.The Radical Republicans certainly didn't think the war wasn't about slavery either.
@Hister333 "And if "we" cared about those poor Afghani women, we would have gone in there almost ten years before."
What did I tell already you about the "we" fallacy and the shameless referencing to one's self in the third person?This is ignoring the fact that 10 years before 9/11 the Talibs weren't even in control of Afghanistan you dolt.
@Christian121y I said almost ten years before, and two years into Bush's presidency. Maybe it was 1997. How petty would you like to be? Being a US citizen, I feel perfectly comfortable referring to us as we.
@Christian121y If we cared about liberating Aghanistan, we would have allowed the Russians to do it almost 30 years ago, instead of creating Moslem Extremist Super-Soldiers that eventually decided to destroy our country,.
@Hister333 "If we cared about liberating Aghanistan, we would have allowed the Russians to do it almost 30 years ago,:
Yes,by burning the top soil and forests of the country away and forcibly converting the local population from Islam(form usually of the Sufi variety) to bureaucratic collectivism.
@Christian121y I went on wikipedia, and couldn't find anything about the Soviets destroying top soil, and forests. Are you sure you weren't reading about what the US did in Vietnam? As for the Soviets forcing them to not be moslem, I don't see that either, but would happily read it from a reliable source.
@Hister333 "instead of creating Moslem Extremist Super-Soldiers that eventually decided to destroy our country,."
The vast majority of the Mujaheddin were not "Muslim extremists" in the same way that most of the Founding Fathers were not Native Genocideers.And so to characterize freedom fighters who actually earned their freedom without just being born into as something evil to behold is just insulting to far better men than you.
@Christian121y I guess for me to be a "better" man, I'd have to be part of an islamist army, working to end the equality of women and the abolition of poverty.
@Hister333 Oh lord.Please don't tell me you're one of these silly people who think "we"(I already told you about that shit) went into Afghanistan for some material gain or something.It's now officially the exact same line you idiots had with the Balkans.Drugs and the alleged profit motive from that and what not.Ridiculous.
@Christian121y Well, get back to me when you can explain why the US has no military presence in Burma, Zimbabwe, Rwanda (okay, we showed up for five seconds fifteen years ago), the Congo, and any other country that doesn't have anything we think we can easily steal.
@Hister333 "Well, get back to me when you can explain why the US has no military presence in Burma, Zimbabwe, Rwanda (okay, we showed up for seconds fifteen years ago), the Congo, and any other country that doesn't have anything we think we can easily steal."
I hate it when people refer to themselves in the third person.The reason we don't have a genocide staving presence in any of those countries is because knuckledraggers like you would be the first to complain if we actually did.(Iraq?)
@Hister333 You were still wrong then.Someone who claims a thesis when all evidence currently available points to the contrary who is only proven right by a conspiracy is never really scientifically right you know.You claiming Saddam didn't have WMD's in 2003(all the while he was plotting to restart his production lines) when he was pretending to the world he was,when he actually didn't doesn't make you right at all.It just makes you a fortuneteller.With all the consistency of one too.
@Hister333 "Now we're trying to "liberate" a people who love killing each other."
Congratulations sir,you are now a racist and a cultural imperialist.Afghans love "fighting" (and this is the real kicker) "each other" in the exact same way "Negroes" love savagery and picking cotton,hence why the American Civil War was "unwinnable and pointless" to your intellectual equivalents during the Civil War,the Copperheads.
@Christian121y I love the way you can magically compare the Northern US Army being fired on with us travelling halfway across the world to complain about being fired on.
@Hister333 Thank God you weren't there at Pearl Harbor either,buddy.
This is ignoring the fact that our presence alone does NOT necessitate firing upon per international law(Otherwise per this simpleminded thinking it'd be alright for the U.S. Navy to fire upon the Iranian Navy right off the East Coast just because we felt like it)especially when you have a mandate to be at the location in question(along with a request er begging from the host government in question).
Abrahamus Africanus Lincoln didn't deserve support during the Civil War in the exact same way Barack Obama and his predecessor George W Bush don't deserve now.Do you really want to fall in this historical tradition,sir?If,so then you can be proud of yourself.
@Christian121y I'm afraid you're talking to a southerner. The southerners fired on a military base in the middle of negotiations for withdrawal. I think retaliation is perfectly justified.
@Hister333 Per natural law,it was wholesale ridiculous for the Southerners to cry State's Right's for Slavery during Succession.Per Civil Law,it was illegal for any entity to leave the United States and usurp it's sovereignty period,what with the taking of land and "property" and all.
@Hister333 Oh and Pete Seeger actually felt the exact same way about WW2 at first(before the invasion of the motherland naturally) that you now feel about Afghanistan.Read up Songs for John Doe.Don't get me wrong,I agree with most of the man's feelings and enjoy his music but that doesn't mean he was never a factional line holding idiot.
@Christian121y "Invasion of the Motherland." That would be a good reason, yeah. But when 18 of the 23 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, and we don't invade Saudi Arabia, then there's a blatant hypocrisy.
@Hister333 Those hijackers were not envoys of the Saudi government,despite all the jihadist blowback that 'His Royal Highness's Government" indirectly provokes and sponsors with their Wahabi rhetoric.Why is it that I could very easily imagine you complaining about our non invasion of Iraq in a historical timeline where we instead invade "Saudi" Arabia?I can already see the slogans now........
@ToddBoyle it's not about "what" they're doing it's "why" they're doing it... We should support them because of the "why" those ordinary people risk their lives and safety. Not because of what they knew they would have to do when signing up (I think many join out of good intentions, even though they might not agree with the politics of middle eastern involvement.)
My guess is the Weavers probably would have gone on to mediocre success, without the interference- but adversity became Pete's tool to even greater success. The lesson to us might be to welcome adversity as destiny's message, that we deserve even more than what we see as success.
I'm a republican, but people I meet think I'm a democrat. I'm anti-war, but my dad and brother are part of the military. I'm for gay rights and hate abortion....... and I just want the right leader. What am I? One confused person, that's what I am
Hey Pete I am still wearing my POW bracelet. My guy was captured in 1968 and I still wear it in memory of him. What the HELL
LeeMike233 1 week ago
This is one of the most powerful songs i have ever heard .. and relevant to every war...
"the world's got hunger and ignorance.... bring em home, bring em home....
you can't beat that with bombs and guns ..."
"the world needs housing and food and schools ....
and learning a few universal rules"...
these timeless lines really stir up ones emotions irrespective of country, race, religious, social, or political beliefs....
thesixtiesmusic 4 weeks ago
just shows u that there will always be a grey area between liberalism and conservatism....that can never be defined.
martindjm1 1 month ago
"Support the troops, bring 'em home, bring 'em home"
missionaryhollywood 2 months ago 4
@RovingCounter Go back to your fascist hole.
JosephDavison100 2 months ago
@JosephDavison100 You mean America? It's a fascist country now. Owned by the CFR.
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RovingCounter 3 months ago
@RovingCounter IF ya dont like him dont fucking listen to him you tool
allenshepard 3 months ago 3
Ron Paul 2012!
HalfBornUnicornFetus 6 months ago
Why isnt this the national anthem of the United States?
Awesome song.
MrJihadJesus 6 months ago
Bruce Springsteen made a great version of this
B0zz3 6 months ago
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There are many of us. We read mises org, lewrockwell com and support Ron Paul 2012.
superhoga 7 months ago
@superhoga If only every American would read those sites... Ron Paul 2012.
93mgobluefan 7 months ago
@superhoga There is a difference between an isolationist, and an advocate of peace. Also, Mises was a supporter of fascism.
AndrewRayGorman 6 months ago
@AndrewRayGorman
Who is an isolationist? What is isolationist about trade with all, entangling alliances with none. Care to document your assertion that Mises was a supporter of fascism? This should be good. He wasn't quite an anarchist, but he was a minarchist to an extreme degree.
superhoga 6 months ago
@superhoga Ron Paul is an isolationist, in terms of military entanglements. Of course, in terms of neoliberalism, no one is more supportive of oppression
Mises said once "It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history."
AndrewRayGorman 6 months ago
@AndrewRayGorman
So that makes him a non-interventionist. Crazy. By the way, what do you think makes for more peace? Influence through trade or going around slapping people because you think they might someday do something to you? I don't know for sure, but I would probably respond better to someone with whom I conducted mutually beneficial trade.
I'm sorry you typed out that long quote without remembering to provide the source. Such things are important for verification.
superhoga 6 months ago
@superhoga Man I hate these short posting parameters but I guess it prevents us from pasting whole books, eh?.
Anyway, pg52 begins with, "As the liberal sees it, the task of the state consists solely
and exclusively in guaranteeing the protection of life, health, liberty, and private
property against violent attacks. Everything that goes beyond this is an evil." Ergo, Mises considered fascism evil. I think you'll agree calling something less evil than communism isn't much of a support.
superhoga 6 months ago
@AndrewRayGorman Never mind, I found your quote. pg51 of Mises' book, Liberalism. In a chapter that attacks fascism. You can read it for yourself in pdf at mises org. To quote the sentence directly after your quote: "But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could
promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as
something more would be a fatal error." Mises was grateful for fascism's role in defeating Communism.
superhoga 6 months ago
@superhoga And through the rise of Hitler, his biggest opponents were the communists. Fascism is not to be commended for defeating communism.
AndrewRayGorman 6 months ago
@AndrewRayGorman
It is a myth that Hitler and Stalin were opponents. For much of Hitler's reign, they secretly worked hand in hand as documented in The Soviet Story. Regardless, Mises evidently thought they played a role and was grateful for it. Nevertheless, if you read that chapter from which the quote is taken, you'll see he is not remotely a supporter. It's only 5 pages. He was utilitarian enough to appreciate the lesser of two evils while still considering them evil.
superhoga 6 months ago
Pete is one of the best political singers, and best singers in general, and I will love him as long as I still have a mind.
snarlacarla 7 months ago
The "20 responses" guy shut the fuck up. It's about time.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Well look who came back from vacation you non-interventionist asshole ;)
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y Dude, when you go on vacation, we ALL go on vacation...
Hister333 5 months ago
There never was a "good" war. It's a myth. Praises to Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs, John Lennon, Tom Paxton & everyone who wrote & sang anti-war songs, and for those who fought with guns & suffered & died, and those who suffered & died carrying peace signs. When will we ever learn?
VJ254 7 months ago
There is one error in this song I have to put out because almost everybody make it. Pete sings "It'll make our generals sad" and this is not true. Always remember that it is the politicians who start the war not the army.
Morclaw 7 months ago
I love America. God Bless Pete Seeger for keeping it in check...
Hister333 7 months ago
When was this concert?
himweproclaim 8 months ago
I sang this in Crawford, TX 2003 for Veterans Against the War . Bush was in town. I had to go pee after driving a couple of hours, and mistakenly stopped at the regular Press tent - I barely escaped getting arrested just for wanting to use the portapotty. Luckily, the peace rally was just down the road. I changed the words to apply to Iraq, don't remember exactly how now. God bless Pete Seeger.
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vastell 8 months ago
@josephpatrickhealey Well, he seems to be moving them from Iraq to Afghanistan. Is that enough?
Vydio 8 months ago
It's really sad that this song is still relevant.
ThrashMetal84 8 months ago
Obama argued with Hilary and promised to bring the soldiers home in 60 days after his election. We are so credulous and we believed him Stump promises and end to the credulous faith again and again take up your guitars raise your fists for freedom.
HEADSUPBERKELEY 9 months ago
Pete Seeger: Killing you with a smile
superhoga 9 months ago
Sometimes you have to fight! The thing that loses wars is people having no stomach for the fight freddom aint free!
YorkGod1 9 months ago
@YorkGod1
While you MAY be right, what does that have to do with anything the military is doing presently? We didn't lose our freedoms by invasion, our own government took them away.
Yeah, I've got no stomach whatsoever for brutally murdering innocent people. What a horrible person I am.
superhoga 9 months ago 10
@superhoga You commie scumbag. You honestly believe your neighbor deserves respect. If it were up to people like you, we wouldn't be shelling out money to the banks, and the auto companies.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333
I just feel terrible about that whole non-agression axiom. The world would be a much safer place if I would just reflexively kill more random people on behalf of politicians, but as YorkGod1 says, I'm just too squeamish about depriving children of their parents. Why can't I see that maiming one more child makes me that much more free. I need to wise up and honor those brave heroes who toss candy in front of the truck so they can run over the children.
superhoga 7 months ago
@superhoga God bless you, Lt. Calley.
Hister333 7 months ago
@superhoga Well since you mention candy ,children and a truck.... on July 13, 2005 12 children died in a suicide bomb car attack in Baghdad. The children were clustered near a small group of American Soldiers who ware giving away candy and small toys. 37 Iraqi people and 1 American soldier lost their lives, Yes you are quite right he died tossing candy in front of a truck. You know nothing about the men and women you attack and even less about the war they are fighting.
Morclaw 6 months ago
@Morclaw
I know little about the war they are fighting because I've never invaded or occupied anyone else's property. Are you saying that the US gov soldier is just as bloodthirsty as who you would term the enemy? I would agree except that the US soldier has much more destructive tools at his disposal. It is a tragedy that 37 Iraqis died. But do you focus that same disgust on Madeliene Albright who said the death of 500,000 Iraqi children (due to sanctions) was "worth it"?
superhoga 6 months ago
@Morclaw
What would you do if an army invaded your land? Would you bow your knee or would you rally to your countrymen? Would you only fight in marching formation or would you resort to geurilla warfare? What would be your rules of engagement? Would you thank the invaders for the candy even though their depleted uranium munitions left your baby brother with horrible birth defects? What if they killed your parents while they were trying to find some food? What if they raped your sister?
superhoga 6 months ago
@superhoga Are you seriously arguing that attacking children with bombs is just a lets say a more leisure look at the rules of engagement. Very well then let me speak to you as people like you should be spoken to. Maybe you ,being an idiot, have not noticed but the target of that attack were not just the american soldiers but the people around them as well. Maybe you have failed to notice but the vast majority of casualties are Iraqi killed by Iraqi.Its nothing like you describe...
Morclaw 6 months ago
@Morclaw No, I'm pretty sure that's not what I'm saying. And no, it's actually exactly as I describe. It's what happens when any people group is marginalized and propagandized to be less than people.
I have indeed noticed that many Iraqis are being killed. I just question why any of them are killed by the USG. Since it's wrong for an Iraqi to do it with his carbomb, it's wrong for a USG soldier to do it with his bomb.
superhoga 6 months ago
@superhoga What are you, an idiot? It's only a crime if THEY do it...Hell, I just stabbed a Mexican baby today, 'cause I heard that it might grow up to stab me. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Hister333 6 months ago
@superhoga You don't wanna kill brown people? Yeah, that's Un-American. Go to Canada, with the better health care...
Hister333 6 months ago
@YorkGod1 just repeating bumper stickers doesn't mean you are smart or even know what you are saying.
gmwonder 9 months ago
@YorkGod1 Pete acknowledges your point at 01:44 - "if an army invaded this land of mine ... you'd find me up on the firing line." Viet Nam was not a threat to our national security. It was only a threat to our national pride--and misplaced pride at that. The side we supported inevitably lost after our withdrawal. Did our country collapse because of that? Obviously not. If we are on the brink of collapse, it's in large part because we wasted money on wars that were not worth fighting.
Seasass 9 months ago in playlist Phil Ochs and others
@Seasass lecture after lecture due to my comment.......hmmm its interesting lol
YorkGod1 9 months ago
@YorkGod1 Yeah, it is interesting. Perhaps it's a indicator of how lame your original comment was LOL :)
Seasass 9 months ago
@Seasass i do like to inspire a debate :)
YorkGod1 9 months ago
@YorkGod1 That's admirable. Do you think maybe next time you can inspire it by making an intelligent remark instead of a lame one? :)
Seasass 9 months ago
@Seasass haha part of what i wrote was intended was to get a reaction :)
YorkGod1 9 months ago
@YorkGod1 With all due respect, this reminds me of the klutz who, after a pratfall, dusts himself off, gets up, giggles nervously, and proclaims, "I did that on PURPOSE!" Not real convincing :)
Seasass 8 months ago
7 people need to have actually SERVED in Vietnam...
Hister333 9 months ago
@Hister333 'Because War does NOT effect those still stateside'? /:-| This country (USA) goes to war . . . or it USED to go-to-war based on the blessing(s) of her people.
BTW The Vietnam war is over, but it lasted for MANY years. So to will it have been when . . . IF we ever make it out of The Middle East.
jimithingjames 9 months ago
@jimithingjames And this has WHAT to do with the fact that I think that the 7 people that disliked this video need to experience war first-hand?
Hister333 9 months ago
If you love Revolution or The Man,
Bring them home, bring them home.
Support our boys in Afghanistan,
Bring them home, bring them home.
International chorus.
ISAF/NATO's been in Afghanistan longer than the Soviets, I'm not sure any more needs to be said. It wasn't right when they were there it isn't now.
matthewmcneany 10 months ago
@matthewmcneany That'sright, buddy. Indeed it is. But as long as the people allow corporatism an unrestrained rule in the US and the EU, nothing will ever change. Protest songs attacking a puppet president or a head of state will however never change anything. That is just like shooting at the piano player rather than the composers of the shitty music he is hired on to play. (But of course, having said that, BD aimed at the shadow government with his "Masters of War"... inherited from Woody?)
brandulph 10 months ago
...support the boys in Afghanistan
Fantoft666Aske 10 months ago
Keep singing the truth, Pete. Maybe, someday we all really WILL sing along.
Happy 92nd birthday!
tigrepants 10 months ago
what year was this?
PineGroveBird 10 months ago
I really do hate to be a troll but, this is the most unpatriotic BS. You don't have the perspective to see that it was the American people's fear that started the Vietnam and Korean war, and that we cannot start or end wars on a whim of the American people.
mr8mahatta 10 months ago
@mr8mahatta
You're right; we have to be much more careful when starting wars.
Theshakesupreme 10 months ago
@mr8mahatta as one who has studied the war and lived through that generation, it was a combination of Red Scare and economics. You can bet the French were in Vietnam for resources, and post WWII, when things were shifting politically, we started angling in to take over Vietnam. The Domino Theory claimed that if one country fell to Communism, the others would topple like dominoes. Of course, Americans are totally innocent of Ulterior motives.
sabymoon 10 months ago
@sabymoon Red Scare was the puppet US government ulterior. The real reason was the enormous off-shore oil and gas reserves, which are being exploited at present (Started some 20 years after the reunification). And it is the same corporatism, shadow government, running the US today, waging war in Iraq and Afghanistan (pipelines). Hence, when you say "economics", you are right. All those killed back then, wasting their lives for the corporate pockets. Iraq/Afghanistan is a repeat of the same.
brandulph 10 months ago
Amen Bring them home alive now right now.Mr obama start keeping one promise you made pre election!!
LetArtsLive 10 months ago
God bless Pat Tillman. I'm an atheist. I just hope for the best.
Hister333 10 months ago
@josephpatrickhealey What you said. Too many Americans have brought their loved ones home in flag-draped caskets and have been left to pick up the pieces. I would know...my family is one of them.
BettinaBalser 11 months ago
replace Vietnam with Afghanistan and we have modern protest song, go Pete!
ganjaganja879 11 months ago
Amazing how this song keeps on being relevant. OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST NOW! Bring them HOME! I voted for Obama for nothing - CLOSES GITMO! STOP BREAKING UP THE UNIONS, STOP THE WAR MACHINE AND THE BILLIONS. Don't join the armed forces, there is NO draft. Stop WAR NOW.
Courtneymister 11 months ago
replace vietnam with afghanistan and its the same shit today
shruberz 11 months ago
@josephpatrickhealey
We people have to realize that Obama's change wont happen instantly we stupidly put our foot in under the republicans and now we have to fix it we cant just leave we have screwed up their country.
iducatifan1 11 months ago
War will never end, its the economic system that creates them and hidden faces that support them. No terrorism,no religion porpuses, no saviors no nothinq, just money for weapon to create debt and oil. What is sad is that most american dont even see it! They believe that by bringing their ass to the war and killing them selves is just ''serving tha nation'' and heroic acts. Fuck me, just open your eyes..thats the fucking world we live in
StefanosArapoglou 11 months ago
@josephpatrickhealey what you expected? obama has nothinq to do whith it, everyone behind him do. They have no economic interest in bringing them home..
StefanosArapoglou 11 months ago
Take the word "Vietnam" and simply change it too "Afghanistan" and then sadly this song will still have relevance... :-/
Baddie922 11 months ago
Please, Bring 'em Home Obama.
danceoncardboardd 11 months ago
Loved the song and the video and Pete! Have embedded it at my site GreatProtestSongsDOTcom/protest-music/ Can you check you are happy with this. If not, leave a comment at the bottom of that page and I will remove. Click on the 'support the troops bring em home' icon under the feature. If you like the site and it is OK, leave a comment anyway and Like it on FB ;-) Thanks !
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greatprotestsongs 1 year ago
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friends of mine went to vientam in the begining of 1970. Because they made some stupid things. And they got the decison to go to prison or to vietnam..Not because they believed in that stupid war.So they went to vietnam......They came home - but never slept a whole night without nightmare.....
Never forget Vietnam. Never forget the war. And tell everyone: WE DON'T WANT A WAR! WE WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE
Zedisch 1 year ago
It seems that music and poetry was a very large part of the anti-war movements of the 60s and 70s, and in more contemporary times, we have few voices who will truly say anything outspoken; they are all concerned with making money and being 'politically correct'. Everyone is concerned with what lady gaga or lindsey lohan or justin bieber is doing. We need a voice, and many of us, including myself, feel lost in all the shouting and misdirection being done in the world.
dloera 1 year ago
I like to ask questions to improve my understanding, not to flame people.
Why do hippies appear to be hated by so many people?
MattSm130 1 year ago
I love you, Pete Seeger.
TheWonderfulWombat 1 year ago
I want to start a war with North Korea, China so we wont have to pay them, so much simpler, invade Europe so we can have BMW and Mercedes for free, also africa so we can have gorillas and lions for free, Latin American for we can get chilis, and Iran and Kuwait for oil prices will go down. Damn war makes thinks more simpler, or we should just nuke everybody that will be simpler.
Kawp123 1 year ago
@josephpatrickhealey actually Obama ran on a campaign of winning the Afghan war soooo yeah. Wrong! =)
InviktusK 1 year ago
@josephpatrickhealey
I was pro War, and I am anti Obama, but I hope he listens to you!
HalfBornUnicornFetus 1 year ago
A pamphlet, no matter how good, is never read more than once. But a song is learned by heart and repeated over and over.
So I sing this for India, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Mexico, Sudan, N&S Korea, Burma, Israel, Spain, France, Colombia, Indonesia,Philippines, Laos, Turkey, Uganda, DR Congo, Central African Republic, Senegal, Ethiopia, Algeria, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco,Nigeria, Thailand, Chad, Cote d'Ivoire BRING EM HOME!
Giavannanow 1 year ago
Pete!!!
justclassicalguitar 1 year ago 2
whats a vietnaanm war?
Sliceofcheesewithegg 1 year ago
@Sliceofcheesewithegg Now I'm embarassed for you.
TheKarakoran 1 year ago 3
If you love your Uncle Sam (Bring 'Em Home, Bring 'Em Home) / Support our boys around Iran (Bring 'Em Home Bring 'Em Home)
Tragically, that's all you need to do to update the song for recent times.
burntheretic 1 year ago 6
5 dislikes...how tragic. It wasn't the song that touched me as much as the blind stupidity some people have..who could not like this??really??
itchynose99 1 year ago 2
GenBanks in years of counter recruiting work I was pretty much forced to read and research into the various segments of rectuits and why they enlist, i.e. their motives. If you take the effort, you will emerge from the process sadder but wiser, Google for "propensity to enlist" and "youth attitudes" esp. the books at nap.edu.
WashingtonPSR 1 year ago
Let's change the words "Viet Nam" to "Afghanistan."
lilifyre 1 year ago 14
@lilifyre So let's insult the Viet Minh by comparing them to theocratic,ultra right wing,ultra reactionary,genocidal,chauvinist,LGBT hating,mass murdering scum like the Taliban.
Bravo for the post-modern "anti-war" movement.Bravo.
Christian121y 8 months ago
@Christian121y Were you making a point?
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 That it's fucking moronic to even think of the Afghanistan War as anything remotely similar to the Vietnam War?Why yes.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y They're both pointless and unwinnable. If I remember right, we went in there to find Bin Laden. Now we're trying to "liberate" a people who love killing each other.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Excuse me sir,but the Afghan people have suffered for and fought for your own freedom(and theirs)in far morestruggle than history illiterate,idle Americans such as yourself have done in perhaps decades.Every war one disagrees with is "unwinnable".Iraq was unwinnable,Korea was unwinnable,the Phillipines were unwinnable,the American south was unwinnable,and as a matter of fact the entire American continent was "unwinnable".Just because you're not bright enough to imagine a successful
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Um...no. The Afghan people have not affected my freedom in any way, shape, or form. Get back to me when John Hancock was an Afgan...
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 By shooting people who want to attack you,the Afghan people do nothing to contribute to you.
What an internationalist you are.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Hister333 conclusion to a certain conflict does NOT mean the rest of us have to suffer with your mental failure either
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Yes, I'm stupid because you interpret "succesful" as "Unwinnable, but we can't pull out."
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Just like the South during the American Civil War right?There were only fair elections for blacks where there were substantial numbers of federal troops.Therefore it would have been "unwinnable" to ever try to give blacks free elections in the South right?Well this nation listened to your equivalents in 1877 when the North pulled out all federal troops from the south and you know what happened?Black people were lynched for the next century.Good job man.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Hister333 But I suppose they wouldn't have mattered to you either being that black people voting ha dnothing to do with our freedoms either.Also do you consider the Second World War to still be in a state of contention?"We" still have occupation troops in all of the Axis countries."We" also have troops stationed all over the American continent.Are the Indian Wars still in a state of vendetta?
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Hister333 "If I remember right, we went in there to find Bin Laden" First of all,cut with this "we" shit.YOU have NOT been at war during the War on Terror.You've been at the mall or at the club like 99% of all Americans who HAVE NOT even had a family member who's served anywhere during the GWOT.And no idiot,"we" did not go into Afghanistan just to "find" Bin Laden anymore than "we" went into the Civil War to find the soldiers who fired the shots on Fort Sumpter.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Actually, my brother was there, and I can honestly say I did more for the "GWOT" pointing out Bin Laden at the mall than my brother did. Yes, because Afghanistan was "firing" on us. "YAWN."
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Your brother should kick your ass for being such an isolationist and anti-internationalist hack
Just saying.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y My brother might kick my ass, but he's too much of an emotional wreck from mental problems the Army denies he could have gotten from being in a war zone.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Well God bless your brother.And be sure to tell him that the good he did will live far beyond the lifetimes of his harshest critics.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y Yeah, and we'll make the same mistake over and over again, YAY.
Hister333 5 months ago
@Hister333 Believe it or not there was this whole NETWORK of people and an IDEOLOGY that spanned the globe that were responsible for numerous terror attacks not only against us but the entire world's population as well.Hence why "we" kill them,because they want to kill us.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y It's a good thing we didn't put them together, and give them all that money. OH WAIT, WE DID...
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 No "we" never gave "them" (Al-Qaeda and the Talibs) money in the same way Louis 16nth never gave money to the Ku Klux Klan(damn that man for giving those pesky American rebels foreign aid,doesn't he know you have to learn to fight your own wars?).There was a reason Ahmad Shah Massoud was CIA's favorite recipient of aid and not Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Well, if Louis 16th had spent more time worrying about his own country's problems instead of ours, he might've been buried with his head attached to his body.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Christian121y And do we do that in places like Pakistan, that harbor the leader of Al-Qaeda, and then arrest people for telling us where he is? No, we give them money.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Who says we shouldn't have more raids in Pakistan?Who says we shouldn't put aid out as a reward for dead Caliphatists?Who says we shouldn't attack the Pakistani ISI in self defense for attacking us?
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y UGH. What we need to do is blow up the city of Detroit, 'cause the last hijacker came from there.
Hister333 5 months ago
@Hister333 "Now we're trying to "liberate" a people who love killing each other."
First of all I already got done with you on this "we" shit.Second of all,if ending the medieval oppression of women,ending genocide,ending enforced poverty and extirpation,and holding free elections in Afghanistan do NOT count as liberation in your book,then please refer yourself to my previous post about the "unwinnable" epithet.Once again,please look up the definition of liberation please and develop critical
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Um...we didn't go in there to liberate women. That was back in the '90s, and about two years into Bush's Presidency, and we didn't care. If we "liberated" them, then why are we still there? We're pushing ten years now.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 "Um...we didn't go in there to liberate women. That was back in the '90s, and about two years into Bush's Presidency, and we didn't care. If we "liberated" them, then why are we still there?"
The American Civil War was also "not" fought for the rights of African Americans.You just had Jef Davis talking about how the Confederate struggle was formed on the cornerstone of slavery and all.Same thing with Mullah Omar and the international caliphate.Nothing important here.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y The Civil War was not fought for the rights of African Americans. That wasn't even an issue until halfway through the war. You want a quote? How about I paraphrase Abraham Lincoln: "I will win this war if it means freeing all the slaves, or freeing none of them." And if we cared about those poor Afghani women, we would have gone in there almost ten years before.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 "The Civil War was not fought for the rights of African Americans."
Yes it was.Read what the Confederates themselves wrote again.Read what John Brown and the militant abolitionist freedom fighters provoked in the North and South.Look at the state motto of Kansas and the strife of Missouri. I could go all day with this,man.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y Or I could just look at the writings of Abraham Lincoln who didn't even mention slavery until two years into it, instead talking about the importance of preserving the Union. Of course, he was just the president. Who cares what he says?
Hister333 5 months ago
@Hister333 "You want a quote? How about I paraphrase Abraham Lincoln: "I will win this war if it means freeing all the slaves, or freeing none of them."
That was Lincoln refusing to alienate the border states lest the entire war effort would have been for naught.The Radical Republicans certainly didn't think the war wasn't about slavery either.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y Or that's Abraham admitting the war had nothing to do with slavery.
Hister333 5 months ago
@Hister333 "And if "we" cared about those poor Afghani women, we would have gone in there almost ten years before."
What did I tell already you about the "we" fallacy and the shameless referencing to one's self in the third person?This is ignoring the fact that 10 years before 9/11 the Talibs weren't even in control of Afghanistan you dolt.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y I said almost ten years before, and two years into Bush's presidency. Maybe it was 1997. How petty would you like to be? Being a US citizen, I feel perfectly comfortable referring to us as we.
Hister333 5 months ago
@Christian121y If we cared about liberating Aghanistan, we would have allowed the Russians to do it almost 30 years ago, instead of creating Moslem Extremist Super-Soldiers that eventually decided to destroy our country,.
Hister333 7 months ago
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@Hister333 "If we cared about liberating Aghanistan, we would have allowed the Russians to do it almost 30 years ago,:
Yes,by burning the top soil and forests of the country away and forcibly converting the local population from Islam(form usually of the Sufi variety) to bureaucratic collectivism.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y I went on wikipedia, and couldn't find anything about the Soviets destroying top soil, and forests. Are you sure you weren't reading about what the US did in Vietnam? As for the Soviets forcing them to not be moslem, I don't see that either, but would happily read it from a reliable source.
Hister333 5 months ago
@Hister333 "instead of creating Moslem Extremist Super-Soldiers that eventually decided to destroy our country,."
The vast majority of the Mujaheddin were not "Muslim extremists" in the same way that most of the Founding Fathers were not Native Genocideers.And so to characterize freedom fighters who actually earned their freedom without just being born into as something evil to behold is just insulting to far better men than you.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y I guess for me to be a "better" man, I'd have to be part of an islamist army, working to end the equality of women and the abolition of poverty.
Hister333 5 months ago
@Hister333 thinking skills.Pretend for a moment that your pre-conceived notion isn't true and you just might get somewhere.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Well, pretend that Afghanistan has no oil, and no trade routes, and has no formidable army like Iran, and YOU might get somewhere.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Oh lord.Please don't tell me you're one of these silly people who think "we"(I already told you about that shit) went into Afghanistan for some material gain or something.It's now officially the exact same line you idiots had with the Balkans.Drugs and the alleged profit motive from that and what not.Ridiculous.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y Well, get back to me when you can explain why the US has no military presence in Burma, Zimbabwe, Rwanda (okay, we showed up for five seconds fifteen years ago), the Congo, and any other country that doesn't have anything we think we can easily steal.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 "Well, get back to me when you can explain why the US has no military presence in Burma, Zimbabwe, Rwanda (okay, we showed up for seconds fifteen years ago), the Congo, and any other country that doesn't have anything we think we can easily steal."
I hate it when people refer to themselves in the third person.The reason we don't have a genocide staving presence in any of those countries is because knuckledraggers like you would be the first to complain if we actually did.(Iraq?)
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Christian121y Don't worry. I was accused of having "pre-conceived notions" back in 2003 when I said Saddam didn't have WMDs. I'm used to it.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 You were still wrong then.Someone who claims a thesis when all evidence currently available points to the contrary who is only proven right by a conspiracy is never really scientifically right you know.You claiming Saddam didn't have WMD's in 2003(all the while he was plotting to restart his production lines) when he was pretending to the world he was,when he actually didn't doesn't make you right at all.It just makes you a fortuneteller.With all the consistency of one too.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Hister333 "Now we're trying to "liberate" a people who love killing each other."
Congratulations sir,you are now a racist and a cultural imperialist.Afghans love "fighting" (and this is the real kicker) "each other" in the exact same way "Negroes" love savagery and picking cotton,hence why the American Civil War was "unwinnable and pointless" to your intellectual equivalents during the Civil War,the Copperheads.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y I love the way you can magically compare the Northern US Army being fired on with us travelling halfway across the world to complain about being fired on.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Thank God you weren't there at Pearl Harbor either,buddy.
This is ignoring the fact that our presence alone does NOT necessitate firing upon per international law(Otherwise per this simpleminded thinking it'd be alright for the U.S. Navy to fire upon the Iranian Navy right off the East Coast just because we felt like it)especially when you have a mandate to be at the location in question(along with a request er begging from the host government in question).
Christian121y 5 months ago
Abrahamus Africanus Lincoln didn't deserve support during the Civil War in the exact same way Barack Obama and his predecessor George W Bush don't deserve now.Do you really want to fall in this historical tradition,sir?If,so then you can be proud of yourself.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y I'm afraid you're talking to a southerner. The southerners fired on a military base in the middle of negotiations for withdrawal. I think retaliation is perfectly justified.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Per natural law,it was wholesale ridiculous for the Southerners to cry State's Right's for Slavery during Succession.Per Civil Law,it was illegal for any entity to leave the United States and usurp it's sovereignty period,what with the taking of land and "property" and all.
Christian121y 5 months ago
@Hister333 Oh and Pete Seeger actually felt the exact same way about WW2 at first(before the invasion of the motherland naturally) that you now feel about Afghanistan.Read up Songs for John Doe.Don't get me wrong,I agree with most of the man's feelings and enjoy his music but that doesn't mean he was never a factional line holding idiot.
Christian121y 7 months ago
@Christian121y "Invasion of the Motherland." That would be a good reason, yeah. But when 18 of the 23 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, and we don't invade Saudi Arabia, then there's a blatant hypocrisy.
Hister333 7 months ago
@Hister333 Those hijackers were not envoys of the Saudi government,despite all the jihadist blowback that 'His Royal Highness's Government" indirectly provokes and sponsors with their Wahabi rhetoric.Why is it that I could very easily imagine you complaining about our non invasion of Iraq in a historical timeline where we instead invade "Saudi" Arabia?I can already see the slogans now........
Christian121y 5 months ago
also he played with woody guthrie so i hear
gunneddowninglory 1 year ago 2
Excellent.
excursustoo 1 year ago
Does anyone know the chords to this song, I can only find the Springsteen version.
RevNTheogen 1 year ago
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TheRantingBrit 1 year ago
@RevNTheogen D, Bm, G, D, G, D, A, D =]
TheRantingBrit 1 year ago
@TheRantingBrit Cheers man. Very, very much appreciated.
RevNTheogen 1 year ago
Help Pete Seeger getting the Nobel peace prize! Join the facebook group "Give Pete Seeger the Nobel Peace Prize".
And spread the words LET a man who deserves the price win it!
uzb1 1 year ago
I don't "support the troops". They're not that stupid. they know what they're doing.
ToddBoyle 1 year ago
@ToddBoyle it's not about "what" they're doing it's "why" they're doing it... We should support them because of the "why" those ordinary people risk their lives and safety. Not because of what they knew they would have to do when signing up (I think many join out of good intentions, even though they might not agree with the politics of middle eastern involvement.)
GenBanks 1 year ago
My guess is the Weavers probably would have gone on to mediocre success, without the interference- but adversity became Pete's tool to even greater success. The lesson to us might be to welcome adversity as destiny's message, that we deserve even more than what we see as success.
skydog70 1 year ago
Pete Seeger is one of Americas most passionate and patriotic citizens ever. Everyone should watch the recent documentary about him The Power of Music
yournameislimitless 1 year ago 4
BRING THEM HOME, and if you love Uncle Sam and our boys from the UK, BRING THEM HOME
gazrobbo53 1 year ago
I'm a republican, but people I meet think I'm a democrat. I'm anti-war, but my dad and brother are part of the military. I'm for gay rights and hate abortion....... and I just want the right leader. What am I? One confused person, that's what I am
dancinfoo1001 1 year ago
@dancinfoo1001 Try Ralph Nader. His book 'The Good Fight' may be up your alley.
zxc545454 1 year ago
@josephpatrickhealey Right On! End this madness now!
Houdini774 1 year ago 2