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  • if the wife asked him to leave her there and not help her up, and he respected her wishes, i dont see how he is to blame. why are we so obsessed with helping people against their will?

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  • I agree with the decision but man ana looks pissed at the end

  • this is a case for authorities this guy is either culpable or criminally negligent

  • I agree, this is not a criminal thing. Let him go!

  • she's fallen and she cant get up, urkel called this

  • nah, Anas just being a stupid feminist. The dumb old woman told the man not to pick her up and would get violent and scream when he helped her, so what the fuck was he to do? If he helped her she wouldve gotten pissed and killed him or herself, and if he followed her instructions and let her be and let her get up then hes in trouble? no way, thats bullshit, and if it was a woman getting in trouble instead of a woman, then this feminist wouldve forgiven ithe man f it was a woman instead of a man

  • I gotta say I agree with the verdict. If she was stubborn enough to lie there and die maybe that's what should have happened. But on the other hand we don't know if the man was lying about all this.

  • hate to disagree with you guys. but in reality the guy killed his wife. He has to get some kind of punishment it may be severe or light but he needs a shmack upside his old stuipid head.

  • if hes innocent he needs to be put in a home. he'd let himself die

  • If she can't get up she probably didn't move much on the bed either.

  • jailtime for this cat.

  • damn I love it when Anna gets frustrated, and because of that

    her tits jiggle a bit.. Yum Yum.

    I wish I could impregnate her and then suck on the milk from those jugs

  • i just... this comment its just... whatever

  • yes, Ana, hmmm... Licky2x~

  • Ana needs to shut the fuck up. Who cares if shes naked or how long shes lying on the floor. The old man offered to help and every time he did she would scream at him to leave her be and get up on her own. Stop framing it as letting her die, or killing her and letting her die on purpose when thats not what the reported story is, thats what Ana's making up. Just because theres a death doesnt mean theres someone to hang

  • He should've called 911. IT's that frciking simple.

  • 10 weeks? Did I hear 10 weeks!?

  • I think its because if he would have told his daughter hey your mom fell on this date and has been lying on the floor for the past week naked... I dont know her daughter might have called 911 the police would have came she would have been hospitalized & told her side of the story... & actualy lived! While he rotted in jail for not doing the logical thing in the first place after 24 hours of no 911 & you have a spouse laying in the floor in pain with no aid its abuse. Which also carries jailtime.

  • According to the report she told HIM not to mess with her and to leave her alone not to not call for help thats the key statement. Why when his daughter called he did not tell her your mom is on the floor and doesnt want me to help her & shes laying there naked & in pain? His daughter lived out of the city so logic says he is a murderer. He waited till she had no pulse till he called the doctor... why? why not the first week? or second? why did he wait till she died to CHOA?(Cover his own ass)

  • I like the way you say hes JUST her husband as though this somehow automaticaly gives him a pass get out of jail free card. Did I say he owned her? no, Did I say he was responsible for her? no, but unless your a moron & see your SPOUSE injure & not give them aid and this results in their death well buddy guess who else I would say time for jail time. Meanwhile he spoke to neighbors to his own daughter saying his wife told her to tell their kid she was sick for 10 weeks. Its deliberate murder.

  • Look it up befor you decide to argue. He was outside working according to him so he obviously isnt without his wits about him. Imashak its your JOB as you put it to be there for your partner hence why its a partnership to say you would leave someone to die naked on the floor for 10 weeks somone you claim to love dearly is moronic & evil. Would you have the same view knowing his 52 year old wife left his 82 year old ass on the ground to die because according to her he didnt want help? mmhmm

  • ima1shake , were not talking about a stranger were talking about his wife and she was in pain so basicaly you would leave your wife if she fell or hubby on the ground for 10 weeks? He was told by her for him not to lift her she cried in pain not for emergency crew assistance. and The womans age rsnic you got it wrong she was 52 look at the actual police report which is online... and which I cut and pasted per verbadum. So who knows better the detectives that wrote the report or some you.

  • FUCK YOU ANA, you bitchy cunt

  • i think i would punch this bitch right in her face. she i sfucking cunt

  • According to the affidavit, Klein said he came in from working outside and found his wife lying next to the bed. He said she cried out in pain but told him to leave her alone when he tried to help her up. So she told HIM to leave her alone not to not call for emrgency help like I dont know 911 so this guy is a total douche bag!

    GUILTY he should rott in jail this is plain murder.

  • Lets also take into account the woman was only 52 years old not old at all by todays standards. The woman had no significant medical problems, Klein told detectives. When Klein was asked whether his wife had asked him to summon help for her, "he looked down for about five or six seconds, then said, 'No,". The woman apparently had been lying naked on the stained, carpeted floor he told her to exercise while she was lying on the floor. yeah he doesnt sound so inocent to me

  • rsnic, if you as a person who works in a hospital were to leave a person on the floor 10 weeks what would happen to you if you did the exact thing to an elderly person or say your mom or father? what would happen to you legaly? yeah you would be rotting in jail... and the family would sue your hospital in the millions. Age doesnt make a murder less of what it is a murder.

  • Actually, it's a job... so, that makes it REQUIRED that you get them help. He is just her husband, he didn't own her, he is NOT responsible for her. If someone has been shot in the street and you see it, you do NOT have to help them we just do it because of our "morals"! She was 52, much younger than he was... how was he supposed to know she was going to die... what, is he going to be jailed for not being psychic?

  • Its a sad story and I'm not saying I would do the same but when you have lived, loved and relied on someone for 52 years of marriage you become incredible loyal to their wishes despite how misguided they may be. Its tragic but humans are dysfunctional animals. Also you got it wrong on the woman's age, she was 73(He is 82) and the had been married 52 years.

  • Rsnic why would you do the same... I mean really ask yourself that because... go ahead say it ... ( let the oxygen go to your brain ) cuz whyyy riiight its wrong and its...m..m..m...m..murderrrr! Yeah thought so the guy is guilty end of story now lets move on.

  • NOT* do the same (typo)

  • Lets just agree to disagree, you're either dyslexic or purposely misinterpreting me.

  • You were correct on the age of the woman I reread the report. Yet this does not negate the actions he took. Which is on so many lvls wrong.

  • Hospice

  • It would be easy to see the circumstances that existed, we start out as babies and end as babies, from working at a hospital its amazing how much elderly people will put up with before they complain even though it can usually be pretty easily remedied. I think a mixture of pride and life long dedication was probably the culprit here, 53 years with someone is not something you give up easily, it'll be interesting to hear more.

  • I think they need to evaluate his competency first. Jesus insists it would have been reported if the man had some sort of dementia. I'd have to ask why he thinks this is so. News reports leave out details like this all the time. Who hasn't known an elderly person who clearly wasn't always "all there" but wasn't formally diagnosed as such? It just doesn't seem to make sense if there weren't something wrong with him. It made the news because his behavior is bizarre.

  • these are the snippets that make me think JR and Cenk are semiretarded

  • After having a friend in the hospital - I'm thinking she probably lasted longer on the floor.

  • Provided that he can find a reasonable level of evidence that they had a good marriage and he didn't have a motive for her to die then I think it ought to be not guilty.

    Yes he should have manned up and called an ambulance but couples that have been together to their 80th birthday can sometimes develop really weird patterns.

    I know plenty of people who can be ridiculously impractical about really important things, it's a human failing.

    Not guilty without malice and definitely no jail!

  • When your poor and you call an ambulance once and they charge you $5000 for hospital treatment and ambulance, you learn for the rest of your life just to cast that option out.

  • Give him a criminal charge but no probation or jail time. The justice system shouldn't waste its resources and time with someone that's unlikely to re-offend and has probably learned from this.

  • nah, you gotta call your wife an ambulance

  • Chief Justice Dauoo: Although Justices Coller, Unger and Jackson make strong points they both seem to omit one key piece of evidence that probably is the whole reason why he was charged. The wife died from what are essentially "bed sores" from not being moved. If he was indeed cleaning her there would have been no ulcers, no soiled carpet or pillow. Justice Jesus and Ana, I stand with you.

  • The black dude seems to be a smart and think correctly

  • Ana is wrong. Again.

    *adjusts monocle*

  • No purpose is served by punishing this man.

  • anna looked so mad after that one

  • not enuff details to make a call.

  • jayar jackson.....

    supreme court justice nominee!!!!

  • Here's the thing, totally different generation. Total Independents. Many many people that age, (I live in SW. Florida, I see many of then), refuse to take any sort of "Handout" from the government. when I worked in stores, there were 80 year olds who'd refuse help putting stuff in their cars, even though I could tell they couldn't handle it. seriously it has a lot to do with age and mind set. I also don't think he understood the physical ramifications.

  • He could have helped her with a pillow over her face after the first few refusals of help.

  • __If he tried to help her and she didn't want anyone else to see her in this state then he's not negligent nor criminal. 80 years old. He probably didn't have enough masculine assertiveness to just ignore her negative insistence and simply got used to the situation and dealt with it the best he knew. This is FEEBLE MINDED NEGLIGENCE which is not purposeful nor criminal.

  • Its a hard call.

    Too me hes age is irrelevant, but hes state of mind is not. Be it plain stupid of the fact that lying in the same spot for 10 weeks being lethal, or having Alzheimer etc.

    But on the flip side I really think other crimes, like crazy people with mental issues committing killings, should be judge and not get away on the "insane" argument. Insane, or stupid, the result of the action is still the same. The person died.

    He should be trailed, but the circumstance should weigh heavy.

  • Why didn't she try to get up herself or at least crawl to a phone. It's pretty clear she had no interest in helping herself, why should he help her if she doesn't want him too...

    This idea that he has some fiduciary duty to her is ludicrous

  • Yeah, if he tried to help her and she didn't want anyone else to see her in this state then he's not negligent nor criminal. 80 years old. He probably didn't have enough masculine assertiveness to just ignore her negative insistence and simply got used to the situation and dealt with it the best he knew. This is FEEBLE MINDED NEGLIGENCE which is not purposeful nor criminal. My God he's 80!

  • I think the important point was that she told him not to do anything.

    Personally, I would have brought her to the hospital anyways because my decision would override her's, but I can see how in their relationship he may have been the type to do whatever she wanted and so it seems kind of odd to punish him for doing what she wanted.

    Plus he is old and probably not all there mentally. It would be like punishing a small child mentally.

  • Let her go. If she really wanted help she probably crawled to a phone. Maybe she just really wanted to die and that was her way to go. And if he respects her wished how is it different if she was literally dieing of cancer, and wanted to refuse treatment.

  • LET HIM GO!

    Not only that but give him a hot young nurse to give him sponge baths.

    Poor guy.

    Imagine having a screeching pooping peeing harpie mashing her teeth at you for ten weeks everytime you tried to help her.

    He should dance on her grave (just don't fall down pops!).

  • He was doing right by her the best way he knew how. And yes he would have delayed help for ten weeks--not denied help. He tried to do his best before asking others for help. He knew no better, or maybe he did. He didn't want others to take over the care of someone he loved for so long and had always cared for over years.

  • NO, NO JAIL TIME!!!!! poor bloke is too old and its bad enough he had to cleanup after her and give her everything

  • That's why you let him go, it doesn't make any sense. He probably didn't realize there was going to be medical consequences.

    Even younger people don't think stuff through.

    If they can prove some kind of malice behind this, then yeah, maybe some kind of neglect charges can be made.

    Seriously though, how do you plan to punish an 82 year old man?

  • Ana is such a hardass.. So if someone asks me to let them die and I don't force them to get help that makes me a murderer? That's such BS.

  • I see your point, but by law its different.

    EG:

    You walk by a accident. There is a man there badly hurt, but conscious and he tells you when you ask not to get help. The result being he dies.

    If the court can prove that you had enough knowledge to see that this man would die if you didnt call help(considering if you had the means to of course) you could be facing charges if you didnt do so.

    These laws are more towards people that dont care, I think. People that would walk by and not even ask.

  • nah thts ageism, you can't let him go without no evidence tht he's got dementia or summin

  • akfhome27, reguardless if he had any issues mentaly "MAY HAVE" isnt a get out of jail free card... I may have PMS does that give me the right to do the same? I'm sick & tired of the lets bring mental illness into play if he is mental then stick his happy ass in a mental facility where he can die with his own kind if hes not then stick his happy ass in jail & let him rott! No one has the right to make someone suffer till their death & get away with some bullshizz excuse. Reguardless of age.

  • There is this thing about enduring a certain kind of aggravation over a lifetime. It is cumulative. On way to deal is with avoidance of the abusive interface with a desire to allow the aggravating person to go their own way. The bad stuff stays and a sense of aggravation is a kind of shielding. Respect is mutual, and it does not seem to matter if disrespect is a symptom of belief based mental illness. Disrespect is disrespect no matter who it comes from especially if it is status based.

  • hypnofan, everyone ages one day you will be old & karma is a sumnabitch. If I could have my dad alive I could care less emotional whatever problems I would be happy just to see him again & have him in my life even for a day, after 20 plus years I would give anything to have your problem... or what you see as a problem... I would see as a gift. The only dweeb I see is the one complaining about his STILL alive dad ranting while someone like myself giving anything just to hear one word again.

  • He should go to jail for a short amount of time.

  • All I can say to the folks who say they should let him go because of some lame excuse put yourself in the other persons shoes... just because the old bastage is 80 n change doesnt mean they cant be guilty of commiting murder. So basicaly all you who say let him go if it was YOU who fell at that age reguardless of gender, would want to fall and be left for 10 weeks on the ground and that the person who left you there to die should NOT spend one day in jail because they themselves are old 2?

  • Listen to the story... She told him not to do anything. I believe in freedom of choice and she chose to be left alone. The guy feed and cleaned her for months. This shows that he certainly cared deeply for her. The easy thing to have done would be to disobey her. Have you ever seen old couples where the man can only say yes dear. Well after over 50 years of marriage to a controlling woman i dont blame him for not know how to act without her permission. In the end she chose her own fate.

  • I couldn't agree more. Exactly what I was thinking.

  • No in the end he choose her fate by leaving her on the ground for ten weeks. Give me a break you mean to tell me that if somone hurt themselves and they fell you would leave them there? He could care less for her dont give me he cared for her deeply bullshit if he gave a ratz ass about her he would have dialed 911 not left her there who cares what she wanted bullony what it comes down to it is he acted irresponsible and his actions speak of that of an asshole not someone who gave a shit.

  • And hello who said leave her there thats what hes saying the woman is dead she cant defend herself & say hes lying and how the hell do you know SHE was controling? Do you have some youtube super powers I am not aware of? To know all this with the victim dead & some old asshole who said well she told me to leave her there story? The point is u dont know if he was some douche to this woman and she was the victim. You assume love where I see murder actions speak louder than words buddy.

  • And my final comment to you is what if the dead woman was your mom/dad would you still feel the same? would you be okay if your other parent said well she/he told me to so i left them there would you be okay with it? Within the 10 weeks you would have thought he would have come to the realisation maybe shes off mentaly and its time for me as a human being needs to react accordingly and make the decision for her. I know people who show more empathy for a dayum dog than what this woman endured.

  • you are correct we dont know what happened and we wont without a full investigation. My assumptions are based on the only story we have - his. You are just making stuff up. She is controlling based on her telling him not to do anything when he offers help. Now maybe thats not how it went but thats the only story we have. If he cleaned and feed her, then he was either torturing her to death or he really cared but all that remains to be seen

  • and black one more thing .. not everybody knows that lying down on the floor can kill you. This guy has been around 80 years he probably grow up sleeping on the floor at times. He may never have used the internet or has access to the kind of info we are constantly swamped with.

  • Yeah but foto to lay for 10 weeks straight is just not logical. According to the report she had soars from laying on her side I would put you to the test lay down for week straight on one side & on the floor naked. Now picture yourself 10 weeks day after day naked on this floor & knowing no help is comming. Thats 70 days. Would you see the person who is giving you food & water & medications they dont know according to them exactly what were as a loving person? Would you want them set free?

  • She was on her back for over two months.

    Wow.

  • My dad is king of dweeb world. It is a kind of personal/ social/rule based degeneration. Rules become more important than the right thing, money becomes more important than life, money becomes more important than respect. It's status disease or status mental illness. I only know about it because i cannot seem to handle it. Everyone else seems to believe that dishonesty is God based or some crap. In fact "God" seems to be a basis for most dishonesty. It's called religion!

  • Old people have strange emotional problems. Sometimes they live through an entire life of despair and bitter co dependence, and when their bodies start to fail all that is left is bitter belief based complaints. My dad has always thrown tantrums. Stupid dad nonsense. The aggavation is not buffered by reasonable times and good memories. You would like to help, but the situation is at an impasse because of bitter regretful memories and lack of ability to give respect. Personalized war.

  • No official laws can actually apply. These people are old, but most laws are written for steady state reality. I gave my dad a cell phone, because i have never been able to listen to his adverse and demented string of false accusations. To him it is kind of a game. He does not want to use a walker because hanging on other people seems like the only thing for him. He cannot figure anything out, but he is right enough to accuse everyone else of doing bad. He will die before spending a dime.

  • You can get in trouble for anything. Justice is something of an ideal. A person can be ruined socially while becoming a criminal because of justice as it is being applied locally. My dad was ruinous because he was the local bully and would not get caught, because the society supported this, and he would not get caught. i have never been able to be this fellows friend or company. He thinks destructive jabbing at and punishing people is a social skill. He has never been arrested.

  • My thumbs up was about the quote"Justice is something of an ideal" My God! so true......

  • We have to consider his mental stats. He is 80 plus. He him self may suffer from Dementia, alzheimer's etc. My point, until a psychologist determines his mental state of mind and capabilities I think NO ONE she judge.

  • Let him go too.. I mean, what's he gonna do.. go on a negligent manslaughter spree?

    Well.. unless he gets 70 million in insurance payoffs... then I'd worry.

  • I think he loved her, and they should let him go. I think he was insane.

  • I guess this all depends on where one stands on Good Samaritan laws, although her state of mind was clearly unhealthy. I suppose it would be just as neglectful if he allowed her to drive if he knew her eyesight was completely gone.

  • I think they both knew she was dying.

    If she got "help" then she would have been taken to hospital and died there.

    This way she got to die at home.

    Not Guilty.

  • This is a REALLY hard case. It's so bizarre... I totally get Jayar's argument and think it's great but the two things working against this dude is that she was naked and it was 10 WEEKS. That's a long-ass time to leave somebody laying there.

    Maybe the woman was the one that had basically lost her mind over this. In the end I don't think you can prosecute him unless he has some really bad testimony used against him.

  • not guilty - if they can prove that he intentionally did it then maybe and even then...82 whats the point its not like he murdered her

  • Let him go. Cased Dismissed.

  • i think that the man thought that his wife was fighting a battle of pride. and that if he helped her her pride would never heal. he thought he was doing the right thing and letting her win her battle of pride and in the meantime he helped her best he could by feeding her and cleaning her.

  • Ana looks PISSED!!

  • he waited 60 years to take her out.....what happened to her necklace that calls the authorities......"I've fallen and can't get up - but don't want my husband to get me up"

  • Holy typos... sorry about my last post.. my keyboard is shot.

  • NOT guilty - Jayar was dead on in this one. He w his wifas doing what he thoughte wanted. She didn't WANT to go to the hospital. He thought he was respecting her wishes and carrying on the best he could. I feel awful for both of them. Leave the poor man alone.

  • There is no debate here other that the plight of the elderly and the providing for their needs. The poor guy was clearly mentally deficient in some way and needs help rather than to be punished.

  • its possible he is just fucking stupid. you would have to prove that he wanted to harm her or that he didn't care.

  • does it really matter that she was on the floor, she would have died from the same thing if she was bed riden for 10 weeks.

  • I agree with ana.

  • Ana is so angry towards the end

  • oh come on! 1 there is no evidence he was mentally ill therefore his age has nothing to do with it

    2 she was the floor for 10 WEEKS!

    3 he must have been aware she was getting worse ulcers are visable and ugly

    verdict - GUILTY

  • when a couple has been together for 50 yrs, they obviously know how to control and even manipulate each other extremely well - usually one more than the other. the wife wanted to die or she just did not want any extraordinary interventions and he responded to her real desires, not the 'shoulda' values of our stupid society. of course you should let him go. lots of people are working on half a deck and he probably has even less. so what? if we jail him, we should jail everyone who voted for bush

  • You had me til the last sentence.

  • i guess i just think that if someone voted for bush, they can't be operating on more than half a deck. probably not true, but it's honestly how i have felt for a very long time.

  • Jesus has spoken,

    enough said

  • Oh, if the guy has a medical issue himself then he should not be prosecuted.

  • Anna - it's likely he was pretty far gone around the bend himself. Two old ladies in my neighborhood let their house collapse around them. The roof went bad, then the upstairs bedroom ceiling rotted, and eventually the whole center of the house was in the basement. When police finally broke into the house, alerted by a meals on wheels volunteer, one of the ladies had been dead for a long time - but the other lady kept piling her food around her and writing notes to her on paper plates.

  • why waste taxpayer money to put someone in prison who's gonna croak at any second

  • About the age issue, If a man his age rapes and murders a 6 year old girl he should get life in prison just like any other murderer.

    If the evidence says he wasn't suffering from a mental disorder, and it is possible for someone of that age to not have a mental disorder, then he should be punished. Negligent homicide.

  • Ever actually SEE a decubitus ulcer? I used to work in the medical industry and saw someone die from one of these, and if you're cleaning them up every day you can't miss it. It's an excruciatingly painful way to go. Hope someone gave this guy a mental health eval, 'cause I'm betting he wouldn't pass.

  • You guys are the most bloodthirsty, prison-loving, shoot a terrorist type LIBS on the planet! I love it! Go TYT!!!

  • I see a frail old guy who's probably a little gone, and whenever he approached his wife, she apparently started screaming at him not to call the hospital. Not guilty.

  • I agree with Jayar too. I mean us, the people living in the US know how expensive going to the hospital can be when more then half the county dosent have any health insurance. Maybe she thought she rather have him take care of her then the hospital. Maybe both never thought she would eveltuarly die from being there. I mean look I have a friend who had minor pains in his lungs, but didnt go to the doctor cause it would cost, but when he did he found out it was lung cancer and it was too late.

  • Maybe he was a super genius and he planned to get away with it by acting senile?! But I still say let him go, it's not worth the prison investment, cells need to be opened for way too many politicians. Go TYT MSNBC!

  • If this criminal is let out on the streets again, who knows who he may leave lying on the floor for 10 weeks...it could be YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN!

  • oh good lord. hehe <_<

  • ahahahaha old fucks

  • The TYT supreme court is the fairest Court in the world.

    Let him go!

  • Death by senility. Let the man go.

  • I wonder how long they were married? Can you imagine being married for something like forty years, and then letting this happen... All those happy memories, then remembering: "Oh yeah, then she died after ten weeks on the bedroom floor." Does not compute...

    He probably should get some sort of punishment...

  • even if one is 100% mental after 2 weeks MAX call 911

  • Ana is young and perhaps she doesn't understand yet how age can really effect one's faculties. I'm only 44 and hell, I can sometimes notice that I'm not the man I used to be..

  • How many weeks your wife was on the floor?

  • To be honest the man should just be placed into state hospital care.

    He was negligent, though it can only be faulted to him if he was in a proper mental state and not suffering from dementia or alzheimers etc. Odds are with his advanced age he isn't firing on all pistons and his meager attempt to feed and clean her shows he wasn't trying to hurt her.

    And I bet that the knowledge that you lead to your wifes death is enough to punish you for the rest of your life.

  • LET HIM GO!!

  • JUSTICE DEADEYES RULING-----conviction with suspended sentence.

  • The old lady was obviously senile, he should've called 911, he's probably also senile.

  • He shoulda just call the police...

    wut's she gonna do, rite?

  • people who say first suck... first

  • second....WHooo!

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