Kenjutsu, kyudo, Bujinkan/Ninjutsu, Kendo, Iaido etc. is material arts from the Japanese Samurai warriors many Japanese material arts/budo have a connection to the popular samurai warriors.
In a real fight to defending his own life, who has the winner's advantage:
A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). Who's the one that will survive?
Is there like some sham campaign going on against this style? In doing my research I've come a cross a fair amount of people who think this is a cult lol.
Is there like some sham campaign going on against this style? In doing my research I've come a cross a fair amount of people who think this is a cult lol.
this is a generalization, and an incorrect one at that.
" bushido is art of combat and way of life"
NO, it is NOT.
bushido is strictly the moral/ethical code... nothing to do with 'art of combat'
"bujinkan is what remain from the old school"
there is no link between takamatsu-den and any historical ninjutsu. this is a lie he came up with to help market himself when everyone wanted to learn kodokan judo, not koryu (like kukishin he had learned).
@britcockney ninjutsu is actually very little fighting. most of this is jujutsu and kenjutsu. and no, a kickboxer or street slugger isn't going to last long against a jujutsu man. an MMA fighter might, because they place more emphasis on newaza, are more physically fit, and do lots of randori. in other words, a professional fighter is going to have more success against a bujinkan guy that just goes to class from 7 to 9 every wednesday because it's his hobby
The last thing we see is the test for... 5th dan i think? 5 or 10 i think. Its a test if you can sense pure killer instinct. It can take everything from 10 seconds to 10 minutes before he strikes you and if you manage to dodge without seeing him you pass
@MusicnTricking It's for 5th dan. I beg that you don't talk about what you don't undersand. I am 10 years in and I still don' pretend to be a master of any kind. I ask for the respect of our family you keep your words to your self.
@niloneske Dude... The comment is 6 months old... DONT COMMENT ON IT! And btw i said i think. and i was just saying what came to my mind when i saw the video WHITCH is what the comments are for
#5 these technique have been created under the blood of many many warriors and family...there is no rules when you face a man with blood all over his face and decapitated heads fixed to his belt...yelling thath he will take your head to his master rape your decapitated body...rape your wife and your children and take over your land and house and everything you have.These techniques were created so you can see tommorow...there was no computer no referee no car...they were hunting their meal do ya
*sigh* so many people talk so much hype.. Yet I don't see any videos of them actually fighting any high ranked bujinkan members :-/ trash talk + no proof = lakes of bs. I have yet to see anyone challenge a shihan and post a video of it.
Man I got to wonder if even half of the people talking smack on bujinkan even train in a martial art or just troll on utube. If you did train you should know that just because a martial art does not have a big corporate bullshit televised fight league does not mean its not effective or a legit discipline.
whyy do people focus on "politics" instead of just training? you are missing the point and not learning anything of value-stop fooling and distracting yourselves...
@BujinkanJesus there lilttle fighting display does not impress me 0:17- 0:38 . i would just osoto gari these guys then collar strangle the shit out of them.
@BujinkanJesus Mr Bullshitkan, I know what I do, just ask Hatsumi-he's scared of my bite....I am offended as I am an american meathead so you'd better watch the treeline Mr Bullshitkan, as I've been working on my stealth and watching youtube's 'ninja parade' video for inspiration..........
we should be particularly scary since you are a compilation of 2 different works of fiction... the bujinkan AND jesus, both of which are the subject and origin for so much fraud, and both lacking any evidence beyond the contradictory testimony of men....
@Arteanor Yes exactly. It is impossible for knowing of ninja origin, they are hidden ninja. Much sneak.
Also you are right, much evidence for Jesus but none for prove against. Thanks.
Do not worry, I am not scary for a friend. Jesus put his love inside me and combine with wind energy, is much power. With training strong fisting for maximum damage.
Most American are meat head with a love for homosexual, but you're a good man. You understand real ninja.
my gf trained for two weeks and knew how to respond to that particular technique.. i've studied, like your average young western kid- TKD and two styles of japanese jujitsu, as i grew older. impress me with actual knowledge of japanese arts and i might believe you have a fleeting chance against hatsumi's direct disciples.
@bdkelevra given that they wouldn't attack in away that i would be ready to defend myself. but put me in a ring with one of them and i will defeat them, (those in the video), but u also have to consider that blue belt lvl now is like black belts 20 years ago, so the sport has evolved, and even further more hatsumee's major quote is fighting is least important of a ninjas skill (remember they were spies for info gathering, not warriors) so its irrelevant for us to debate there fighting arts.
ultimately, hasumi says a practitioner should "forget about the waza." this does not mean you unlearn the technique, but that you no longer focus on it, it becomes you as much as walking does. ninja served as much more than spies, especially before the tokugawa shoganate's rule. it was only in those times that the focus had to be shifted. don't doubt the real bujinkan. too many "phonies" out there skew the vision.
but, in a ring, maybe there's chance... killing/maming aren't allowed.
@bdkelevra unless you plan on incorporating eye gouging, biting, or attacking the groin into your fighting, mma and a real fight (unarmed) is the same thing. in a real fight i wouldent let go of an arm bar because they tap so they dont get there arm broke, and i wouldent let go of a strangle hold because they tap so the person dosent die. the only thing that seperates the ring and a real fight, is right befor the moment death/maiming, the reff will stop the fight.
@ph33ric it takes just *one* moment for that lethal strike. arm bars are reversable, choke holds are a coin flip of reassurance in the same way. bujinkan focuses on not being hit, and then, disabling (by whatever means). i'm not dismissing MMA. any form of training is worth-while. ninja have been at it for a very long time and had influenced such things as jujitsu, judo and karate (at least).
most of the favorites in the MMA world study these styles, which any high ranked ninja will know.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Ninjutsu and Bujutsu is closley connected and the deffinition is not crystal clear. Shinobi Happo Hiken (8 technics) involvs both Ninjutsu and Bujutsu. Togakure Juhakkei (18 forms) were conceald within the Bugie juhappa (18 forms of conventional Martial Art) witch tranform it in to 36 forms. Traditiona Bujutsu ryus such as Kukishin ryu, Shinden fudo ryu, Takagi yoshin ryu (as well as Kotoryu and Gyokkoryu) etc. all includes technics that could be considred Ninjutsu.
@BlackShinobiShozoku If you mean than little technics are thought - sure I fully agree with you. We fokus on the Budo part but the "strategies" and the mind set comes from Ninpo. I wonder why do you not agree that the combat techniques of Kumogakure, Gyokkushin and Togakure ryu to be legit? Very little has been thought about Kumogakure ryu and Gokkushin ryu so I realy wonder if you have enough knowledge to make that judgment? Togakure has a long history even outside Bujinkan so check that out.
@BlackShinobiShozoku In short you can't say "Ninjutsu is not Martial Art" and you can't say "Ninjutsu is Martial Art". Conventional or unconventional warfare is still warfare. Conventional or Unconvetional Martial Art - its still Martial Art". Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu or Taijutsu is still a part of Bujutsu (or Budo if you want) even though Bujutsu at the same time can be used as a cunter part to Ninjutsu if you like depending on if you mean "Technics of war" or "Conventional technics of war".
@BlackShinobiShozoku So Ninjutsu was also developed by Samurai is your conclusion? In that case I totally agree with you. But you are to narrow minded if you just think espionage. Unconventional warfare I would say would be mor correct - especially how you assault fortifications and make them fall with just small assault force. All historical record shows that that was what Iga and Koga-shu was hired to do most of the time. A elite strike force trained in unconventional warfare - including MA.
And I do not believe Kumogakure, Gyokkushin, and Togakure to be legit because their lineages have not been proven. Togakure has a claimed long history, but not proven. Some speculate that those three schools were created by Takamatsu. And that's why no one will accept them as Koryu. Most people refer to martial arts as art of combat. Which Ninjutsu was not combat. It was espionage and strategy
@BlackShinobiShozoku Of course they where samurai (at least some of them) and of course they where trained in what we today call jujutsu. But more important they where train in Shinobi happa Hiken and/or Ninpo Juhakkei wich include both what you call "Ninjutsu" and "Combat". Speculation none has proved. There are sources outside Takamatsu and Bujinkan that prove that at Togakure and Gyokkoshin ryu is legit and they are also in the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten.
@BlackShinobiShozoku According to documents of Oda Nobunagas comments on Iga and Koga-shu not all of them were Samurai and they did not pay same attention to social rank - and he did not like it!
I can repeat my self if you'd like: Ninjutsu was not thought independent of "combat" as Bugei Juhappa and Togakure Juhakkei was thought together. And Shinobi Happo Hiken (8 techniques) involves both Ninjutsu and "combat". Even other schools that has "Ninjutsu" teach them together with "combat".
@BlackShinobiShozoku I don't have the sources name in front of me at the time but the document is mention by Stephen Turnbull (well known east asian Historian) in one of his book in the subject - you can look for the firsthando source name there.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Togakure ryu has denshos of ju-jutsu (aka taijutsu) that is not a part of Bujinkan. Gyokkoshin ryu had a bransh school kalled Gyokkoshin ryu Koppojutsu that is not - and have never been - connected to Takamatsu or Bujinkan. Do your homework before you state your opinion as fact.
@BlackShinobiShozoku One Ryu was called Hontai Gyokkoshin ryu and its first soke was Suzuki Taro Kanomaza (aka Daizentaro Chikamaza) who had been student of Sougyoko Kan Ritsushi (Soke in Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu). The Ryu change it's name after 5 generations to Izumo Ryu Koppojutsu.
There is also a Gyokkoshin ryu Koppo listed in Bugei Ryuha Daijiten and the first soke is Sasaki Gendayu Sadayasu (Kishu) who also had been a student of Sougyoko Kan Ritsushi (Soke in Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu).
@BlackShinobiShozoku Bugei Ryuha Daijiten does not mean it has proven lineage you are so right. But if it would be a fake ryu it wouldn't be there - they do a little bit more research than that and have access to Japanse historical record on whole diferent level than most has.
Do you know why they are not considered koryu? Because Bujinkan do not teach each ryu seperatly but mixed toghether and therefore it can not be considered a koryu.
It's just not koryu. I've heard that argument before... But actually Hatsumi was said to be rejected from koryu groups due to the densho not surviving japanese scrutiny. Although Hatsumi claims he never tried to join. But so far there hasn't been any evidence to support the three ninpo schools. All the other 6 ryuha do have grandmasters are completely independent of Bujinkan. And are accepted koryu.
@BlackShinobiShozoku And thats Gossip that, as far as I know, can't be verifyed. Where do you find completly independent Gikan ryu, Koto ryu and Gyokko ryu linages that do not involve Takamatsu Sensei?
The lineage does involve Takamatsu... BUT Densho for Gikan Ryu is provided by Tanemura Soke. Koto ryu and Gyokko ryu are both taught independent by Fumon Tanaka
@BlackShinobiShozoku usually the the ones that criticize the linages point at Takamatsu as the "critical" point just because he is the one that collects them all. I knew Fumon Tanaka teached Tenshin Shoden Kukamishin Ryû and a sort of Takagi Yoshin ryu but not Gyokko and Koto ryu. Ueno Takashi Chosui I did know but he was a student of Takamatsu. From where did Fumon Tanaka lineage for Gyokko and Koto ryu come - if not Takamatsu I mean?
Tanemura - who was a student of Hatsumi... yea I know.
@BlackShinobiShozoku As I said - you are to narrow minded if you say: "It was espionage and strategy" because it includes so much more then that. The best short translation you can do is "Unconventional warfare" - witch also includes combat in various forms. I makes sense; why should only the "strategy" be able to be unconventional and not the Taijutsu to?
@BlackShinobiShozoku As you might know I is sometimes hard to translate a term directly from one language to another - especially Japanese to english - as the do not use the same metaphors or communicate in the same way.
忍 (nin) can mean: bear, endure, put up with, resistances, patience, tolerate, secrete, conceal, sneak. So if we take it word by word it can also mean "the technique of patience" as the "technique of stealth". Stop being so categorical in you definition and open your mind.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Haha we do mean the same but say it two diffrent way then. Yes they were most likely samurai skilled in ninjutsu not ninja skilled in combat. Iga samurai was very famous for their bravery but also for there unconventional style of fighting... The region around Iga and Koga have allot of ryus and most of then focus on the "combat/samurai" part.
@BlackShinobiShozoku As I said "the best SHORT translation would be "unconventional warfare" I did not say the literal translation. The term is much wider than the literal translation.
Making eye pokes and groin kicks aren't really what you should basing your fighting style off of in the first place. If you do rely on those things... Then I'd say you won't survive long as a fighter or warrior. And Ninjutsu or should I say Taijutsu(Which is what Ninja were trained in) Does not rely on groin kicking and eye gouging. It focuses on joint locking and striking anywhere.
LOL! This kommisar-tard has been going to every Ninjutsu page to flame away. He lives in the world of UFC. He thinks that the UFC is where all the real fights happen, not in the streets. He thinks in the streets that after 5 minutes people will break you up to rest and then fight again. He thinks there are rules to fighting too! LOL!
Mark, please understand. That there aren't any BIG rules that would stop you from winning a fight in UFC over a street fight. The only thing that would really make a big difference is the introduction of weapons. Which is a whole different story since you're not talking about unarmed fighting anymore. And just about anyone can pick up a weapon or access a weapon.
@BlackShinobiShozoku my outburst is toward kommisar. All this piece of shit does is go from post to post connected to anything NOT UFC and bullshits it. BTW, there ARE big rules against Ninjutsu. If a Ninja isn't allowed to put his thumbs through someone's eyes, kick their groin, kick them in the head while they're down..etc then a Ninja isn't ALLOWED to truly compete.
@MarkFaust I understand your fustration with kommisar. He doesn't understand the purpose behind these traditional arts. Versus the modern arts(which are focused on fighting in present time).
Those same rules apply to everyone in UFC. The same way you can poke someone in the eye... They could poke you in the eye. And if you can't land a punch or a kick in the first place. Then you can't poke eyes or kick groins. So it's not unfair nor does it really stop anyone from winning.
Learn what he has to offer. He learned from the other soke / grand master. every peice of text and literature says he's learnt from the other grand master and he has learned and carried it on. Neither of u have studied in his dojo for years so I say unless you've lived it don't say your the so called expert.
I've read about 50 comments in. I think most of you have done alot of reading and think you know what ninjutsu is. From my reshearch while in japan before joining the navy and using the navy archives to further my reshearch I found over 12 clans that are still present day teaching. I think Hastsumi is frowned upon for breaking the 300 year old cold never discuss it or teach it to anyone not born into the clan. Well he's the last kuku or as we call living koga. If he is whilling to teach why not.
ninjutsu is not a sport and is not something to be used for personal gain.the art ensures safety in our society even in modern times.morons like Creation who have no clue about what the art is mock it.creation what is the matter? you cant fight your own battles so you get your brother to help you.your a sorry excuse for a human being.
"ninjutsu is not a sport and is not something to be used for personal gain."
And yet this fraudulent con men charges top dollar to teach this bullshit. You ninja cultists are always full of excuses why you never actually prove your nonsensical "art" works. Instead you offer bullshit inferences and far-fetched anecdotes: "Police forces train in it." "This was used on the battlefield hundreds of years ago!" "So-and-so beat 10 people at once with it." God, learn to live in reality, dork.
@kommisar 1st if this is creation or his alt or bro ur fail.2nd what the f*ck are you spewing here? we do what we do regardless of what you morons think and the art is what it is regardless of what you say about it.
The question is what the fuck are YOU spewing. You make absolutely no sense, you lunatic. Look at your post. It's a fucking mess. I can't even begin to comprehend it. You're a fucking loser. Get help, you freak.
What you don't understand is... This art is about maintaining tradition. Therefore it's not focused on making sure you can beat a guy up. If you want to take the techniques learned in Bujinkan and run with it. And add sparring to make the techniques more suitable to practical situations. That's all on you. If you're looking for what YOU'RE asking for. Do not join bujinkan. And i'm sure most bujinkan members will tell you the same thing.
What you just said is in direct contradiction to the bullshit claimed by every other ninja cultist. They claim this shit is meant for "killing". I don't see any "tradition" in grown men acting like a bunch of kids pretending to be pro wrestlers by climbing trees, doing pretend sword fights, playing tug-of-war, throwing themselves through the air and acting hurt when someone touches them. Jesus christ, if you want to do this shit, just join one of those renaissance groups.
That's because you're probably not speaking to legit practitioners of a Japanese ryuha. Because they should understand that. The techniques themselves were used by warriors. Most of the practitioners today are peaceful people who are just maintaining the tradition. They aren't guys going around making the claim that "I'll kill you with my techniques" etc etc. The training is compliant for educating purposes. Once again if someone want to take techniques and run with it... That's them
That doesn't seem to be the case judging by what losers like Faust are saying. I don't see how any of this bullshit is "tradition". Look at it -- grown men climbing trees, throwing themselves through the air, playing tug-of-war.... It reeks of bullshido. It's Oriental fantasy role playing.
Climbing trees is what little kids do. It's hardly a "skill" or a "technique". It's one of those things you just do because it's fun and other people are doing it.
There's nothing here that would help one in a real life-or-death situation. Having compliant "sword fights" and jumping around like a bunch of idiots will not help you in any serious life-threatening situation, past or present. They are simply jackasses who like to LARP.
@kommisar Climbing trees is what little kids do? I see you don't really do much in warrior training. Climbing trees is used by hunters as well. To grab vantage points. And climbing trees would also be a good way to develop climbing skills.(Which is necessary for being a warrior in pre meiji time period). Have compliant "sword fights" allows you to work on technique.(If you want to take it to the next level you can and spar you can.) Jumping around? You need brief lesson in Taijutsu
Any "martial arts class" that requires you to climb trees reeks of stupidity and bullshit, and those idiots never do anything close to a real sword fight. The ONLY way one will learn to really fight is with resistance. This has been well-established by now with all the pedantic TMA "masters" avoiding full-contact sparring only to get their asses kicked by boxers and such. Since there is none in ninjitsu, the obvious conclusion is that it's bullshit.
Why is it stupid? What do you have against climbing trees? It was a good skill to have for either escape or entrance. They say the same thing about other sword fighting. Because a lot of sparring "sword schools" Are tagging to score points. They're not delivering fatal blows. And TMA don't avoid sparring... They just don't compete much. My TMA school does sparring. And most master are up into their 50,60,70, and 80s. Unlike most modern arts where you have younger.
And you obviously don't know much about Bujinkan. A lot of the techniques being displayed here are not Ninjutsu. They're from many different traditional Samurai schools. Like I said earlier.... You don't understand what you're looking at.
Ninjutsu is ESPIONAGE techniques it's not a martial art. That's why it's not for you nor do you understand what they're doing. I told you it's about maintaining a tradition. If you want to learn self defense. It's not for you.
@kommisar as i said in a different post you fucking brain dead fuck, "Ninjutsu being shown evidence of assassination techniques is a crime in Japan", which is why you don't see them doing it in the open outside of their dojo area because that is illegal too. You are the biggest piece of fucking shit. You're a waste of fucking human life. Put your brothers dick back in your mouth and shut up.
@MarkFaust Ninjutsu has only evidence of mostly of stealthy espionage techniques. There's no crime in Japan about that. The only part of ones training that could be a crime is sword training. Since sword laws are very strict in Japan. And that's exclusive to Ninjutsu techniques. But Ninja were also trained in taijutsu/kenjutsu/etc etc.
And you honestly think the ninjitsu 400 years ago is ANYTHING like this bullshit? Please, you watch too many fucking movies, you mystified, gullible idiot. None of this bullshit has any bearing in reality. Tug of war? Give me a fucking break, you douche. Grow up and learn to live in the real world. You'd get your ass handed to you if you tried any of this nonsense in an actual fight.
@kommisar The fact that you think it's plain ol tug-o-war going on in the video just goes to show you're don't know what you're seeing.
And to put it in terms you'll understand... It's the same way early UFC fans didn't understand ground movements/technique. So they just thought it was boring and pussy way of avoiding being struck.
And if you tried any of this "nonsense" in an actual fight without compliant training. Someone would be fatally injured. Because edged weapons are no joke.
Please, hardly anyone trains properly with "edged weapons". These guys are NOT sparring with them. They are doing these pussy little compliant sword "fight" drills that look nothing like the real thing. Look at 1:27. They pull their swings and the one guy falls on the ground without any resistance. It's fucking play acting. There's nothing here that would threaten anyone who knew how to fight. I guarantee these guys would be no better off with a real sword than someone with no training.
You wouldn't spar with edged weapons. That would cause fatal accidents on a normal bases. That's why it's compliant(like I previously told you).
And hes not falling to the ground. It was a display of taijutsu to off balance an opponent. And are you sure about that? Kommisar... because I guarantee ONE nukitsuke from these guys would be enough to cut your head off in less than a second due to technique. Like I said you just don't understand.. They practice technique to perfection.
ninja games = not BUDO. That is why the Koryu in Japan does not recognise hatsumi or any togakure ryu bujuinkan or whatever other name they may come up with.
@eliskander actually hatsumi is recognized. Im part of the bujinkan and all it is is a name change that hatsumi came up with for reasons mostly unknown. Most common one is that he felt ninjutsu has a lot of bad connotations so he came up with a more approachable one.
@Blazureokami Yes Blazureokami, that is true in a sense, I have a couple of close friends who are involved with the bujinkan, one just returned from a trip to japan to train there. Yet inclusion into the koryu is another matter, there are several points of contention that the governing body budo in Japan has, the name for one, the existance of the mystery scroll proving the 34 generation existence of the togagkure ryu. Everything in japan is very formal and official, so its normal there.
" ninja games = not BUDO. That is why the Koryu in Japan does not recognise hatsumi or any togakure ryu bujuinkan or whatever other name they may come up with."
Do your research and find out why. It has more to do with politics and bullshit than actual lineage. And this method has nothing to do with " games". It has to do with enduring , even when every hand in the world is against you. True BUDO .
@eliskander Although the existence of Daisuke Nishina has been verified, in that a person by that name was found by Koyama Ryutaro in a period work[citation needed], the history of the system has not been independently verified. It must, however be noted that the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten recognises Togakure-ryū as a legitimate koryu bujutsu school
@kookdeville79 Everybody says Daisuke was found--- no body has provided the alleged record. He does not exist on any Nishina family lineage charts. So, until the Bujinkan members actually say WHICH book and where (and then that is verified by a third party) You CANNOT claim that Daisuke was real is a fact. Well, you can.. but it would be either a lie or ungrounded claim (again..as noone has produced the name of this alleged text which has his name in it)
@shigakusha1336 Or .. in short : Daisuke existing in some text is a RUMOR until that exact work is named and page number (if a book) or line number (if a scroll) is given. Numerous Nishina Lineage charts, dating back to BEFORE 1180s and into the Edo period---- NONE of them contain a Nishina Daisuke.
@kookdeville79 Also.. the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten is NOT a record of Authenticated koryu--- it is a record of REPORTED koryu. There is a difference... as a Reported Koryu CAN be a false ryu.
Thus... Togakure Ryu has been RECORDED.. but has not be authenticated.
@Arteanor the validity togakure ryu has been independently verified by Yumio Nawa, soke of Masaki Ryu, and Okuse Heishichiro, Founder of the Iga Ryu Ninja Museum in Japan, both of whom are essentially the only two Japanese ninja historians that matter.
you do realize that okuse heishichiro is also the FOUNDER of a story that places him as the soke of iga ryu ninjutsu as taught to him by fujita seiko... who we know was an authenticated practitioner of koka ryu wada ha ninjutsu...
"essentially the only two Japanese ninja historians that matter. "
now who is being closed minded? simply assert your position, and then declare all other sources but those that agree with you as irrelevant?
@eliskander togakure ryu is not recognized. some of the other schools in the buinkan umbrella are legitimate koryu. togakure is a very, very small part of the curriculum, despite what you see in stephen hayes books from 1985.
@pacificimporters finally! Someone who knows what they're talking about. Check out chikaraken dot (com) one of the few koryu left in America... don't know of any other except in Japan. Do you? I'd like to know if there are others dojo's here in America as far as Ju Taijutsu or Ju Jutsu (same thing)
sounds almost as if you think this school is actually koryu or something....
don't kid yourself... there are 2 schools that are proven real in this organization... 2 old samurai koryu tagaki yoshin ryu and kukishin ryu. the rest are more than a little hazy... and it is quite clear that this school has absolutely no connection to any sort of ninjutsu.....
@Arteanor youre making statements as absolutes without anything to back it up...fairly easy to post on the internet under a pseudonym and speak as an authority while offering nothing of substance to back your statements. You should leave Youtube and seek work in D.C. :) drinking the KoolAid goes both ways.
@Arteanor I was referring to the link to the dojo I mentioned in my previous post. This dojo is koryu JuJutsu ... the info about the one of instructors there reads: "This decision led him to Japan and Satoshi Goda-Sensei, a Japanese master of Ju Jutsu, in the mid 1970's and the study of Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu. He studied under Goda-Sensei until Sensei's death in 1991. Goda-Sensei promoted Mr. Speakman to 7th degree."
@Arteanor also from the link: "JUJUTSU is a term used by Japanese military historians to describe combat arts that were practiced primarily by the samurai. In the 17th and 18th centuries there were some 750 styles of Jujutsu. Today there may be half a dozen of the old combat styles (called "ko-ryu") still actively taught. "
I agree. Why would that make anyone a hypocrate? You obviously have not studied at a Bujinkan Dojo or you would know this...Stop watching cheesy 80's movies.
he would have to have been taught it to be keeping it alive... and the closest he has come is what takamatsu made up from and i quote "ninja-gokko"(childhood ninja games).
its only in the third edition of the bugei ryuha daijiten, it was removed in subsequent versions as personal anecdotes (especially unciteable ones) have no place in a budo encyclopedia...
its worth noting that the brd only acknowledges claims.. it doesnt verify them like the koryu societies..
i think a likely story is outline in an article found here:
sustainedreaction. yuku. com /topic/5540
it was about being marketable, it also was never called ninjutsu until the ninja boom. and who was anyone to argue? its a reasonably effective mix of techniques, tho they are from many different areas...
im not arguing its not good, simply that it is in fact, not ninjutsu
ninjutsu is a historical term dating back to the 1700s atleast, we know this since its kanji is located in the scrolls we have acquired.
to say there is no such thing takes a lot of ignorance,,,,
and no, it is not just a general term, it is specifically the espionage and survival skillset used by shinobi soldiers during the warring period of feudal japan
just because you dont like my argument doesnt mean you can redefine historical terms, get real.
so you admit defeat on your previous point and now want to argue my choice of words?
im dealing with a character cap, i try to keep comments as short as possible to maximize the amount of pwnage i can lay on you..
thank you for reciting basics while diverting from my point on the more advanced side of this discussion, when you actually have a historical source for ninjutsu even being a martial art,... look me up, but i dont think you will ever manage that...
likethesunshine you have yet to account for your blatant lies when you said this : "ninjutsu is just a general term.."
"there's no such thing as "ninjutsu" there were schools of teachings that varied in techni " ( not cut off, thats really all he wrote)
i have cited a historical source which uses the word ninjutsu, and you still want to argue you even know the basics? i think you need to seriously step it up if you think you got this.
YOU CAN learn ninjutsu... or atleast, what we have left of it... in several of the koryu schools that include it in a larger samurai curriculum. that is to say, the remnants of what was ninjutsu are still known to us...
the reason people SHOULDNT believe THIS to be ninjutsu, is because it directly contradicts ALL of those schools, the scrolls we have found, AND Authenticated ninja like Fujita Seiko, that it isnt a MA.
Sorry to bother you again, but weren't many of the scrolls passed down through family?
I have read the biography on Takamatsu. I don't see why I would not believe it is true any more than how I don't see why I would not believe that the biography of Da Vinci is true or not.
yes so what? i would rather actually if you would be more specific are you refering to densho possessed by takamatsu? or the scrolls i am referring to ( the manuals)
that is the same as saying the bible is a biography of jesus so it must all be true...
as for da vinci, we have plenty of evidence for all of the claims he made... ( and that he made them) for takamatsu, the only evidence for his tale ( a tall tale at that) is HIS say-so, thats what kuden means.
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I wounder how much trouble you'd get in by the Ninjutsu society to lift the scrolls from the Dojo at hatsumi's dojo? Just hypothetically speaking people keep talking respect this respect that, what action would the mighty ninja take if they had some cat burgler attack them would they attack back or would they get police invovlement thus sounding hypocritical?
Even if the scrolls were stolen, the party responsible wouldn't be able to understand it. Its written in such a way that every secret written in them can only be understood by someone who's been doing this art for a long time.
How would calling the police be hypocritical? Why should Hatsumi or anyone waste their time when professionals are around to handle it? Everyone at the dojo should just continue to teach. Not that the scrolls would ever be stolen since they're HIDDEN.
and if thats the case... why does hatsumi only claim kuden (oral transmission) if he has scrolls?
and why does hatsumi fail to present these densho if they are so valuable... it was the only reason they refused him entry into the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai...
he knows he doesnt know ninjutsu... but it makes him stupidly rich... i would probably do it too... course i wouldnt be able to live with myself lying like that... kudos to him..
There were 53 koga families. Large families. Do you honestly believe that only one person inherited the Koga mantle? This is foolish. Further, it is well documentated that other Koga Ninja existed, and taught - some even at the Nakano Spy School.
Further, the ONLY Ninja school recognized by the Japanese government is a Koga Ninja school - that of Jiniji Kawakami. You are mistaken to buy into the propoganda of an specific organization - who wants to corner the subject and market.
don't spread bullshit. kawakami isn't recognized by the government. fujita taught at nakano but said ninjutsu has no point in the modern world and explained specifically he would not teach it and it was dying with him. if you don't know jinichi kawakami's name don't act as if you can speak on facts.
Some of the unarmed stuff seems a touch theatricalized, but hey, it's a demonstration.
I'm with Khrafstra on those naginata--I've never seen anyone wield naginata that large or that broad-bladed.
Do Bujinkan-style naginata practitioners compete in atarashii-naginata-do competitions? (Obviously I'm assuming they wouldn't use that exact type of naginata there.)
Oh, ok. I'm assuming that bisento is a variant form of that weapon then?
Are you familiar with the weapons used in that group's system? Do you know if people in Bujinkan compete with that or similar weapons (such as naginata) in atarashii-naginata or similar tournaments?
kissrdbc and ElectricEnergyKing, please try to act your age and be real martial artists by not insulting each other like 2 year olds. Hatsumi says to not teach people with bad hearts.
There was a guy in japan that was a practicioner of ninjutsu who went on mission ni WWII and taught after the war. He also delivered lectures at japanese military academies. Anyone know his name?
I think you are refering to Hatsumi-sensei's teacher, Toshitsugu Takamatsu. He went on missions for the gov. and taught some to the Japanese military. Hope that helps.
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Kenjutsu, kyudo, Bujinkan/Ninjutsu, Kendo, Iaido etc. is material arts from the Japanese Samurai warriors many Japanese material arts/budo have a connection to the popular samurai warriors.
ZZaiBoT2011 3 months ago
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(Quiz on empty hands combat) Hi,
I always would like to know this answer:
In a real fight to defending his own life, who has the winner's advantage:
A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). Who's the one that will survive?
TheWolfjr 3 months ago
This was so cool! Thanks for posting this video! Barry Cupp, 5th Dan.
sininjutsu 3 months ago
Now I see where the anime Naruto got their movements from
bennettalston 7 months ago
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Is there like some sham campaign going on against this style? In doing my research I've come a cross a fair amount of people who think this is a cult lol.
GeneralArrow 7 months ago
Is there like some sham campaign going on against this style? In doing my research I've come a cross a fair amount of people who think this is a cult lol.
GeneralArrow 7 months ago
@GeneralArrow
that is most likely due to the entirely made up nature of this school's connection to ninja shinobi and ninjutsu...
way back in the 50's takamatsu was frustrated no young people wanted to learn kukishin ryu that he had learned, kodokan judo was VERY popular.
so he sought to increase the curriculum by adding kata from 'karate todejutsu' (since shortend to karate).
now he had a kukishin karate hybrid, and he started refering to it as ninpo.
the closest it comes is him saying it.
Arteanor 7 months ago
samourai mean to serve and to serve the people unfortunately politic is inn
ninja are peasant samourai, bushido is art of combat and way of life
bujinkan is what remain from the old school
QcCarlito 7 months ago
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@QcCarlito
"ninja are peasant samourai,"
this is a generalization, and an incorrect one at that.
" bushido is art of combat and way of life"
NO, it is NOT.
bushido is strictly the moral/ethical code... nothing to do with 'art of combat'
"bujinkan is what remain from the old school"
there is no link between takamatsu-den and any historical ninjutsu. this is a lie he came up with to help market himself when everyone wanted to learn kodokan judo, not koryu (like kukishin he had learned).
Arteanor 7 months ago
samourai mean to serve and to serve the people unfortunately politic is inn
QcCarlito 7 months ago
Truth about Hatsumi & Bujinkan can be found at TSOAS2008
MrOphachew 8 months ago
Ninjutsu masters actually don't exist. No one is a ninjutsu master nowadays.
I'm sure these so called "Ninjutsu Masters" would easily be beaten up by just an average street fighter or a kickboxing or MMA fighter.
britcockney 10 months ago
@britcockney ninjutsu is actually very little fighting. most of this is jujutsu and kenjutsu. and no, a kickboxer or street slugger isn't going to last long against a jujutsu man. an MMA fighter might, because they place more emphasis on newaza, are more physically fit, and do lots of randori. in other words, a professional fighter is going to have more success against a bujinkan guy that just goes to class from 7 to 9 every wednesday because it's his hobby
pacificimporters 9 months ago
The last thing we see is the test for... 5th dan i think? 5 or 10 i think. Its a test if you can sense pure killer instinct. It can take everything from 10 seconds to 10 minutes before he strikes you and if you manage to dodge without seeing him you pass
MusicnTricking 1 year ago 2
@MusicnTricking It's for 5th dan. I beg that you don't talk about what you don't undersand. I am 10 years in and I still don' pretend to be a master of any kind. I ask for the respect of our family you keep your words to your self.
niloneske 5 months ago
@niloneske Dude... The comment is 6 months old... DONT COMMENT ON IT! And btw i said i think. and i was just saying what came to my mind when i saw the video WHITCH is what the comments are for
MusicnTricking 5 months ago
#5 these technique have been created under the blood of many many warriors and family...there is no rules when you face a man with blood all over his face and decapitated heads fixed to his belt...yelling thath he will take your head to his master rape your decapitated body...rape your wife and your children and take over your land and house and everything you have.These techniques were created so you can see tommorow...there was no computer no referee no car...they were hunting their meal do ya
ManabeRokuro 1 year ago
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@ManabeRokuro
"#5 these technique have been created under the blood of many many warriors and family..."
uh, no they haven't...
there is no evidence for these techniques ever existing before takamatsu... or atleast as part of any sort of ninjutsu curriculum...
Arteanor 1 year ago
*sigh* so many people talk so much hype.. Yet I don't see any videos of them actually fighting any high ranked bujinkan members :-/ trash talk + no proof = lakes of bs. I have yet to see anyone challenge a shihan and post a video of it.
AceDelta101 1 year ago
@AceDelta101 I no rite bro..
computron808 1 year ago
Man I got to wonder if even half of the people talking smack on bujinkan even train in a martial art or just troll on utube. If you did train you should know that just because a martial art does not have a big corporate bullshit televised fight league does not mean its not effective or a legit discipline.
23mavcat 1 year ago
@23mavcat Bujinkan in Australia is Bullshitkan fullstop.
JAIJAI0 1 year ago
whyy do people focus on "politics" instead of just training? you are missing the point and not learning anything of value-stop fooling and distracting yourselves...
kokumaru 1 year ago 20
I bashed Hatsumi back in the 80's.
JAIJAI0 1 year ago
@JAIJAI0 Since this day you live in a wheel chair...I apologize, sir you got some balls.
ManabeRokuro 1 year ago
@ManabeRokuro It was still worth it though
JAIJAI0 1 year ago
hoe
StarfireEKS 1 year ago
Well you Retard if you remember Ninja's were not very well looked upon in history but just go to your Wikipedia and look it up Duh..
Tutonic1979 1 year ago
And furthermore in the future I'll probably join Genbukan.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
0:33 This happened to me one day, The difference is, I do Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Because I am Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I got rape.
But because I am Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I also like it.
(really Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu I not do, I am not gay haha)
This prove the ninja is the best and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is the gay.
BujinkanJesus 1 year ago
@BujinkanJesus there lilttle fighting display does not impress me 0:17- 0:38 . i would just osoto gari these guys then collar strangle the shit out of them.
ph33ric 1 year ago
@ph33ric These people are real ninja, using strong wind power.
When you are "strangle the shit", they will simply bite you in the testicles off.
Real ninja is invincible fight for American meathead.
You cannot know what do.
BujinkanJesus 1 year ago
@BujinkanJesus Mr Bullshitkan, I know what I do, just ask Hatsumi-he's scared of my bite....I am offended as I am an american meathead so you'd better watch the treeline Mr Bullshitkan, as I've been working on my stealth and watching youtube's 'ninja parade' video for inspiration..........
JAIJAI0 1 year ago
@JAIJAI0 哈!
You can not sneak to me, gay Americans. You think you can, but once you're near, you realise I shave your mother as bait.
What is that behind you? You're dead.
Twice.
Stupid meat head.
BujinkanJesus 1 year ago
@BujinkanJesus
we should be particularly scary since you are a compilation of 2 different works of fiction... the bujinkan AND jesus, both of which are the subject and origin for so much fraud, and both lacking any evidence beyond the contradictory testimony of men....
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Yes exactly. It is impossible for knowing of ninja origin, they are hidden ninja. Much sneak.
Also you are right, much evidence for Jesus but none for prove against. Thanks.
Do not worry, I am not scary for a friend. Jesus put his love inside me and combine with wind energy, is much power. With training strong fisting for maximum damage.
Most American are meat head with a love for homosexual, but you're a good man. You understand real ninja.
BujinkanJesus 11 months ago
@BujinkanJesus
firstly, thank you. i have tried very hard to neuter my mind of all the preconceptions i have made....
it has lead to a rather amazing brain, MINE! :D
but i have a problem with what you have said, "Also you are right, much evidence for Jesus but none for prove against."
this is A) not true B) a logical fallacy C) you are putting words in my mouth. words i oppose. not cool man. i won't pick yours, don't pick mine.
lets be fair and reasonable adults if we can.
Arteanor 11 months ago
@ph33ric
"o soto geri?"
my gf trained for two weeks and knew how to respond to that particular technique.. i've studied, like your average young western kid- TKD and two styles of japanese jujitsu, as i grew older. impress me with actual knowledge of japanese arts and i might believe you have a fleeting chance against hatsumi's direct disciples.
bdkelevra 1 year ago
@bdkelevra given that they wouldn't attack in away that i would be ready to defend myself. but put me in a ring with one of them and i will defeat them, (those in the video), but u also have to consider that blue belt lvl now is like black belts 20 years ago, so the sport has evolved, and even further more hatsumee's major quote is fighting is least important of a ninjas skill (remember they were spies for info gathering, not warriors) so its irrelevant for us to debate there fighting arts.
ph33ric 1 year ago
@ph33ric
ultimately, hasumi says a practitioner should "forget about the waza." this does not mean you unlearn the technique, but that you no longer focus on it, it becomes you as much as walking does. ninja served as much more than spies, especially before the tokugawa shoganate's rule. it was only in those times that the focus had to be shifted. don't doubt the real bujinkan. too many "phonies" out there skew the vision.
but, in a ring, maybe there's chance... killing/maming aren't allowed.
bdkelevra 1 year ago
@bdkelevra unless you plan on incorporating eye gouging, biting, or attacking the groin into your fighting, mma and a real fight (unarmed) is the same thing. in a real fight i wouldent let go of an arm bar because they tap so they dont get there arm broke, and i wouldent let go of a strangle hold because they tap so the person dosent die. the only thing that seperates the ring and a real fight, is right befor the moment death/maiming, the reff will stop the fight.
ph33ric 1 year ago
@ph33ric it takes just *one* moment for that lethal strike. arm bars are reversable, choke holds are a coin flip of reassurance in the same way. bujinkan focuses on not being hit, and then, disabling (by whatever means). i'm not dismissing MMA. any form of training is worth-while. ninja have been at it for a very long time and had influenced such things as jujitsu, judo and karate (at least).
most of the favorites in the MMA world study these styles, which any high ranked ninja will know.
bdkelevra 1 year ago
@ph33ric except we have an easy counter for osoto gari, which is probably banned in judo.
pacificimporters 11 months ago
@pacificimporters Well put. If it's banned or not allowed in the ring, write that down! As you already know, it might just save your life someday ;)
BlackBeltNumber3 9 months ago
And if you think Ninjutsu is not a martial art than you are a complete idiot and you need to go back to school and learn your history.
Tutonic1979 1 year ago
@Tutonic1979
Oh?
So you must know Japanese?
Can you point me in the direction of historical documentation that shows Ninjutsu being martial arts?
Or can you tell me why Iga Museum also says Ninjutsu is not martial arts?
If not I promise not to shove your words back down your throat.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Ninjutsu and Bujutsu is closley connected and the deffinition is not crystal clear. Shinobi Happo Hiken (8 technics) involvs both Ninjutsu and Bujutsu. Togakure Juhakkei (18 forms) were conceald within the Bugie juhappa (18 forms of conventional Martial Art) witch tranform it in to 36 forms. Traditiona Bujutsu ryus such as Kukishin ryu, Shinden fudo ryu, Takagi yoshin ryu (as well as Kotoryu and Gyokkoryu) etc. all includes technics that could be considred Ninjutsu.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan I believe Bujinkan only has little ninjutsu techniques within it.
So I agree.
But I do not agree with the combattive ninpo techniques of Kumogakure, Gyokushin and Togakure to be legit.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku If you mean than little technics are thought - sure I fully agree with you. We fokus on the Budo part but the "strategies" and the mind set comes from Ninpo. I wonder why do you not agree that the combat techniques of Kumogakure, Gyokkushin and Togakure ryu to be legit? Very little has been thought about Kumogakure ryu and Gokkushin ryu so I realy wonder if you have enough knowledge to make that judgment? Togakure has a long history even outside Bujinkan so check that out.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku In short you can't say "Ninjutsu is not Martial Art" and you can't say "Ninjutsu is Martial Art". Conventional or unconventional warfare is still warfare. Conventional or Unconvetional Martial Art - its still Martial Art". Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu or Taijutsu is still a part of Bujutsu (or Budo if you want) even though Bujutsu at the same time can be used as a cunter part to Ninjutsu if you like depending on if you mean "Technics of war" or "Conventional technics of war".
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
Ok Kenjutsu schools are developed by Samurai
and Taijutsu is Jujutsu which is developed by samurai.
Ninja were Samurai who were instructed in Ninjutsu. Which would most likely be espionage techniques.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku So Ninjutsu was also developed by Samurai is your conclusion? In that case I totally agree with you. But you are to narrow minded if you just think espionage. Unconventional warfare I would say would be mor correct - especially how you assault fortifications and make them fall with just small assault force. All historical record shows that that was what Iga and Koga-shu was hired to do most of the time. A elite strike force trained in unconventional warfare - including MA.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
They were trained in samurai jujutsu.
Because they were samurai.
And I do not believe Kumogakure, Gyokkushin, and Togakure to be legit because their lineages have not been proven. Togakure has a claimed long history, but not proven. Some speculate that those three schools were created by Takamatsu. And that's why no one will accept them as Koryu. Most people refer to martial arts as art of combat. Which Ninjutsu was not combat. It was espionage and strategy
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Of course they where samurai (at least some of them) and of course they where trained in what we today call jujutsu. But more important they where train in Shinobi happa Hiken and/or Ninpo Juhakkei wich include both what you call "Ninjutsu" and "Combat". Speculation none has proved. There are sources outside Takamatsu and Bujinkan that prove that at Togakure and Gyokkoshin ryu is legit and they are also in the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
All of them were samurai.
Ninja were trained in Bugei Juhappan.
But they also learned Ninjutsu. Which is independent of combatic arts.
Bugei Ryuha Daijiten does not mean it has proven lineage.
Those ryu where not considered koryu by many of the best koryu groups. Those ryu also do not have independent schools outside bujinkan.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku According to documents of Oda Nobunagas comments on Iga and Koga-shu not all of them were Samurai and they did not pay same attention to social rank - and he did not like it!
I can repeat my self if you'd like: Ninjutsu was not thought independent of "combat" as Bugei Juhappa and Togakure Juhakkei was thought together. And Shinobi Happo Hiken (8 techniques) involves both Ninjutsu and "combat". Even other schools that has "Ninjutsu" teach them together with "combat".
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
Which documents did Nobunaga comment on Koka and Iga?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku I don't have the sources name in front of me at the time but the document is mention by Stephen Turnbull (well known east asian Historian) in one of his book in the subject - you can look for the firsthando source name there.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
Ah, I know Stephen Turnbull.
But all I know about Oda Nobunaga was that he attacked Iga merely because of his sons failure.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Togakure ryu has denshos of ju-jutsu (aka taijutsu) that is not a part of Bujinkan. Gyokkoshin ryu had a bransh school kalled Gyokkoshin ryu Koppojutsu that is not - and have never been - connected to Takamatsu or Bujinkan. Do your homework before you state your opinion as fact.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
Gyokushin ryu is a style of koshijutsu.
Who was the Soke of this Gyokushin ryu koppojutsu?
Because the only recorded Gyokushin ryu I know about is koshijutsu which was claimed by Bujinkan org to be created by Sasaki Goeman Teruyoshi.
Do you have any proof other wise?
Boku ga shitte iru kagiri, uso da
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku One Ryu was called Hontai Gyokkoshin ryu and its first soke was Suzuki Taro Kanomaza (aka Daizentaro Chikamaza) who had been student of Sougyoko Kan Ritsushi (Soke in Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu). The Ryu change it's name after 5 generations to Izumo Ryu Koppojutsu.
There is also a Gyokkoshin ryu Koppo listed in Bugei Ryuha Daijiten and the first soke is Sasaki Gendayu Sadayasu (Kishu) who also had been a student of Sougyoko Kan Ritsushi (Soke in Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu).
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
To be honest i'm not saying Hatsumi is fraudulent in his claims of Ninjutsu...
but I'm just waiting for japanese expert scrutiny of his densho. For those three Ninpo schools.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Bugei Ryuha Daijiten does not mean it has proven lineage you are so right. But if it would be a fake ryu it wouldn't be there - they do a little bit more research than that and have access to Japanse historical record on whole diferent level than most has.
Do you know why they are not considered koryu? Because Bujinkan do not teach each ryu seperatly but mixed toghether and therefore it can not be considered a koryu.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
What do you mean fake ryu?
It's just not koryu. I've heard that argument before... But actually Hatsumi was said to be rejected from koryu groups due to the densho not surviving japanese scrutiny. Although Hatsumi claims he never tried to join. But so far there hasn't been any evidence to support the three ninpo schools. All the other 6 ryuha do have grandmasters are completely independent of Bujinkan. And are accepted koryu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku And thats Gossip that, as far as I know, can't be verifyed. Where do you find completly independent Gikan ryu, Koto ryu and Gyokko ryu linages that do not involve Takamatsu Sensei?
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
The lineage does involve Takamatsu... BUT Densho for Gikan Ryu is provided by Tanemura Soke. Koto ryu and Gyokko ryu are both taught independent by Fumon Tanaka
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku usually the the ones that criticize the linages point at Takamatsu as the "critical" point just because he is the one that collects them all. I knew Fumon Tanaka teached Tenshin Shoden Kukamishin Ryû and a sort of Takagi Yoshin ryu but not Gyokko and Koto ryu. Ueno Takashi Chosui I did know but he was a student of Takamatsu. From where did Fumon Tanaka lineage for Gyokko and Koto ryu come - if not Takamatsu I mean?
Tanemura - who was a student of Hatsumi... yea I know.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku As I said - you are to narrow minded if you say: "It was espionage and strategy" because it includes so much more then that. The best short translation you can do is "Unconventional warfare" - witch also includes combat in various forms. I makes sense; why should only the "strategy" be able to be unconventional and not the Taijutsu to?
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
Ninjutsu does not translate as "Unconventional"
Nin translate as preservation of endurance or stealth.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku As you might know I is sometimes hard to translate a term directly from one language to another - especially Japanese to english - as the do not use the same metaphors or communicate in the same way.
忍 (nin) can mean: bear, endure, put up with, resistances, patience, tolerate, secrete, conceal, sneak. So if we take it word by word it can also mean "the technique of patience" as the "technique of stealth". Stop being so categorical in you definition and open your mind.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@sirseigan
True, but there's nothing really to say that there's Ninja created combat techniques or Ninja specialized warriors.
They were most likely Samurai skilled in NInjutsu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Haha we do mean the same but say it two diffrent way then. Yes they were most likely samurai skilled in ninjutsu not ninja skilled in combat. Iga samurai was very famous for their bravery but also for there unconventional style of fighting... The region around Iga and Koga have allot of ryus and most of then focus on the "combat/samurai" part.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku As I said "the best SHORT translation would be "unconventional warfare" I did not say the literal translation. The term is much wider than the literal translation.
sirseigan 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku
My definition of the term used is:
Bujutsu = Techniques/Art of war
Kenjutsu = Techniques of the sword
Taijutsu = Techniques of the body
Ninjutsu = Techniques of unconventional warfare ("Black ops"?)
sirseigan 1 year ago
Making eye pokes and groin kicks aren't really what you should basing your fighting style off of in the first place. If you do rely on those things... Then I'd say you won't survive long as a fighter or warrior. And Ninjutsu or should I say Taijutsu(Which is what Ninja were trained in) Does not rely on groin kicking and eye gouging. It focuses on joint locking and striking anywhere.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
LOL! This kommisar-tard has been going to every Ninjutsu page to flame away. He lives in the world of UFC. He thinks that the UFC is where all the real fights happen, not in the streets. He thinks in the streets that after 5 minutes people will break you up to rest and then fight again. He thinks there are rules to fighting too! LOL!
MarkFaust 1 year ago
Hmm, funny how we've yet to see your bitch ass in any "real" fights....
kommisar 1 year ago
@MarkFaust
Mark, please understand. That there aren't any BIG rules that would stop you from winning a fight in UFC over a street fight. The only thing that would really make a big difference is the introduction of weapons. Which is a whole different story since you're not talking about unarmed fighting anymore. And just about anyone can pick up a weapon or access a weapon.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku my outburst is toward kommisar. All this piece of shit does is go from post to post connected to anything NOT UFC and bullshits it. BTW, there ARE big rules against Ninjutsu. If a Ninja isn't allowed to put his thumbs through someone's eyes, kick their groin, kick them in the head while they're down..etc then a Ninja isn't ALLOWED to truly compete.
MarkFaust 1 year ago
@MarkFaust I understand your fustration with kommisar. He doesn't understand the purpose behind these traditional arts. Versus the modern arts(which are focused on fighting in present time).
Those same rules apply to everyone in UFC. The same way you can poke someone in the eye... They could poke you in the eye. And if you can't land a punch or a kick in the first place. Then you can't poke eyes or kick groins. So it's not unfair nor does it really stop anyone from winning.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
Thank you very much for sharing this beautiful video with all of us!
7 ******* and favorited!
*bow*
angela
tayounorise 1 year ago
Priceless footage.
opeth867 1 year ago
Learn what he has to offer. He learned from the other soke / grand master. every peice of text and literature says he's learnt from the other grand master and he has learned and carried it on. Neither of u have studied in his dojo for years so I say unless you've lived it don't say your the so called expert.
privateer013 1 year ago
I've read about 50 comments in. I think most of you have done alot of reading and think you know what ninjutsu is. From my reshearch while in japan before joining the navy and using the navy archives to further my reshearch I found over 12 clans that are still present day teaching. I think Hastsumi is frowned upon for breaking the 300 year old cold never discuss it or teach it to anyone not born into the clan. Well he's the last kuku or as we call living koga. If he is whilling to teach why not.
privateer013 1 year ago
ninjutsu is not a sport and is not something to be used for personal gain.the art ensures safety in our society even in modern times.morons like Creation who have no clue about what the art is mock it.creation what is the matter? you cant fight your own battles so you get your brother to help you.your a sorry excuse for a human being.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
"ninjutsu is not a sport and is not something to be used for personal gain."
And yet this fraudulent con men charges top dollar to teach this bullshit. You ninja cultists are always full of excuses why you never actually prove your nonsensical "art" works. Instead you offer bullshit inferences and far-fetched anecdotes: "Police forces train in it." "This was used on the battlefield hundreds of years ago!" "So-and-so beat 10 people at once with it." God, learn to live in reality, dork.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar 1st if this is creation or his alt or bro ur fail.2nd what the f*ck are you spewing here? we do what we do regardless of what you morons think and the art is what it is regardless of what you say about it.
fardisghomeshi 1 year ago
The question is what the fuck are YOU spewing. You make absolutely no sense, you lunatic. Look at your post. It's a fucking mess. I can't even begin to comprehend it. You're a fucking loser. Get help, you freak.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar
What you don't understand is... This art is about maintaining tradition. Therefore it's not focused on making sure you can beat a guy up. If you want to take the techniques learned in Bujinkan and run with it. And add sparring to make the techniques more suitable to practical situations. That's all on you. If you're looking for what YOU'RE asking for. Do not join bujinkan. And i'm sure most bujinkan members will tell you the same thing.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
What you just said is in direct contradiction to the bullshit claimed by every other ninja cultist. They claim this shit is meant for "killing". I don't see any "tradition" in grown men acting like a bunch of kids pretending to be pro wrestlers by climbing trees, doing pretend sword fights, playing tug-of-war, throwing themselves through the air and acting hurt when someone touches them. Jesus christ, if you want to do this shit, just join one of those renaissance groups.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar
That's because you're probably not speaking to legit practitioners of a Japanese ryuha. Because they should understand that. The techniques themselves were used by warriors. Most of the practitioners today are peaceful people who are just maintaining the tradition. They aren't guys going around making the claim that "I'll kill you with my techniques" etc etc. The training is compliant for educating purposes. Once again if someone want to take techniques and run with it... That's them
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
That doesn't seem to be the case judging by what losers like Faust are saying. I don't see how any of this bullshit is "tradition". Look at it -- grown men climbing trees, throwing themselves through the air, playing tug-of-war.... It reeks of bullshido. It's Oriental fantasy role playing.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar
Climbing a tree is a good skill to have.
So is climbing mountains and other objects.
And climbing skills was necessary back in the past.
So that is apart of tradition.
Ninjutsu is not a martial art.
Everything they're doing played a role in being a successful warrior pre meji.
Where you had tons of life and death situations.
It's maintaing a tradition. And it's not role playing because no one is playing the role anyone. They're just training in technique.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
Climbing trees is what little kids do. It's hardly a "skill" or a "technique". It's one of those things you just do because it's fun and other people are doing it.
There's nothing here that would help one in a real life-or-death situation. Having compliant "sword fights" and jumping around like a bunch of idiots will not help you in any serious life-threatening situation, past or present. They are simply jackasses who like to LARP.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar Climbing trees is what little kids do? I see you don't really do much in warrior training. Climbing trees is used by hunters as well. To grab vantage points. And climbing trees would also be a good way to develop climbing skills.(Which is necessary for being a warrior in pre meiji time period). Have compliant "sword fights" allows you to work on technique.(If you want to take it to the next level you can and spar you can.) Jumping around? You need brief lesson in Taijutsu
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
Any "martial arts class" that requires you to climb trees reeks of stupidity and bullshit, and those idiots never do anything close to a real sword fight. The ONLY way one will learn to really fight is with resistance. This has been well-established by now with all the pedantic TMA "masters" avoiding full-contact sparring only to get their asses kicked by boxers and such. Since there is none in ninjitsu, the obvious conclusion is that it's bullshit.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar
Why is it stupid? What do you have against climbing trees? It was a good skill to have for either escape or entrance. They say the same thing about other sword fighting. Because a lot of sparring "sword schools" Are tagging to score points. They're not delivering fatal blows. And TMA don't avoid sparring... They just don't compete much. My TMA school does sparring. And most master are up into their 50,60,70, and 80s. Unlike most modern arts where you have younger.
And it's Ninjutsu
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
I wasn't generalizing TMA. I was speaking specifically about the "too deadly for competition" ones.
I would take the "sport" sword guys over the ones that simply LARP.
So if ninjutsu is espionage, then what the hell are we watching here? There's certainly no spying here.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar
You are watching what techniques Ninja were trained in.
Most of Bujinkan is actually from Samurai schools. Which is why Bujinkan calls itself Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu.
I would take any sword guys who actually take it and run with it. /watch?v=D7nUFpznK7E
I myself take Bujinkan techniques and run with it.
They're good techniques... Taijutsu is a form of Jujutsu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@kommisar
And you obviously don't know much about Bujinkan. A lot of the techniques being displayed here are not Ninjutsu. They're from many different traditional Samurai schools. Like I said earlier.... You don't understand what you're looking at.
Ninjutsu is ESPIONAGE techniques it's not a martial art. That's why it's not for you nor do you understand what they're doing. I told you it's about maintaining a tradition. If you want to learn self defense. It's not for you.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@kommisar as i said in a different post you fucking brain dead fuck, "Ninjutsu being shown evidence of assassination techniques is a crime in Japan", which is why you don't see them doing it in the open outside of their dojo area because that is illegal too. You are the biggest piece of fucking shit. You're a waste of fucking human life. Put your brothers dick back in your mouth and shut up.
MarkFaust 1 year ago
@MarkFaust Ninjutsu has only evidence of mostly of stealthy espionage techniques. There's no crime in Japan about that. The only part of ones training that could be a crime is sword training. Since sword laws are very strict in Japan. And that's exclusive to Ninjutsu techniques. But Ninja were also trained in taijutsu/kenjutsu/etc etc.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
And you honestly think the ninjitsu 400 years ago is ANYTHING like this bullshit? Please, you watch too many fucking movies, you mystified, gullible idiot. None of this bullshit has any bearing in reality. Tug of war? Give me a fucking break, you douche. Grow up and learn to live in the real world. You'd get your ass handed to you if you tried any of this nonsense in an actual fight.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar The fact that you think it's plain ol tug-o-war going on in the video just goes to show you're don't know what you're seeing.
And to put it in terms you'll understand... It's the same way early UFC fans didn't understand ground movements/technique. So they just thought it was boring and pussy way of avoiding being struck.
And if you tried any of this "nonsense" in an actual fight without compliant training. Someone would be fatally injured. Because edged weapons are no joke.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
Please, hardly anyone trains properly with "edged weapons". These guys are NOT sparring with them. They are doing these pussy little compliant sword "fight" drills that look nothing like the real thing. Look at 1:27. They pull their swings and the one guy falls on the ground without any resistance. It's fucking play acting. There's nothing here that would threaten anyone who knew how to fight. I guarantee these guys would be no better off with a real sword than someone with no training.
kommisar 1 year ago
@kommisar
You wouldn't spar with edged weapons. That would cause fatal accidents on a normal bases. That's why it's compliant(like I previously told you).
And hes not falling to the ground. It was a display of taijutsu to off balance an opponent. And are you sure about that? Kommisar... because I guarantee ONE nukitsuke from these guys would be enough to cut your head off in less than a second due to technique. Like I said you just don't understand.. They practice technique to perfection.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
ninja games = not BUDO. That is why the Koryu in Japan does not recognise hatsumi or any togakure ryu bujuinkan or whatever other name they may come up with.
eliskander 1 year ago 2
@eliskander actually hatsumi is recognized. Im part of the bujinkan and all it is is a name change that hatsumi came up with for reasons mostly unknown. Most common one is that he felt ninjutsu has a lot of bad connotations so he came up with a more approachable one.
Blazureokami 1 year ago
not 1 koryu society recognizes hatsumi.
the name change you are referring to i assume to be the shift from "buj ninpo taijutsu" to buj budo taijutsu...
i have a great reason he changed the name...
he isnt a ninja, and he got sick of people asking him to prove his claims.... easy answer... stop calling what you do ninjutsu..
but let me be a little more clear for you... ninjutsu is in no way, budo, a martial art, composed or comprised of MAs... none of it...
didnt u kno?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Blazureokami Yes Blazureokami, that is true in a sense, I have a couple of close friends who are involved with the bujinkan, one just returned from a trip to japan to train there. Yet inclusion into the koryu is another matter, there are several points of contention that the governing body budo in Japan has, the name for one, the existance of the mystery scroll proving the 34 generation existence of the togagkure ryu. Everything in japan is very formal and official, so its normal there.
eliskander 1 year ago
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@eliskander
" ninja games = not BUDO. That is why the Koryu in Japan does not recognise hatsumi or any togakure ryu bujuinkan or whatever other name they may come up with."
Do your research and find out why. It has more to do with politics and bullshit than actual lineage. And this method has nothing to do with " games". It has to do with enduring , even when every hand in the world is against you. True BUDO .
BrokenTengu99 1 year ago
@eliskander Although the existence of Daisuke Nishina has been verified, in that a person by that name was found by Koyama Ryutaro in a period work[citation needed], the history of the system has not been independently verified. It must, however be noted that the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten recognises Togakure-ryū as a legitimate koryu bujutsu school
kookdeville79 1 year ago
@kookdeville79 Are u sure??Where did u hear that from..Cause so many people talk shit n say that takamatsu made it all up..
computron808 1 year ago
@kookdeville79 Everybody says Daisuke was found--- no body has provided the alleged record. He does not exist on any Nishina family lineage charts. So, until the Bujinkan members actually say WHICH book and where (and then that is verified by a third party) You CANNOT claim that Daisuke was real is a fact. Well, you can.. but it would be either a lie or ungrounded claim (again..as noone has produced the name of this alleged text which has his name in it)
shigakusha1336 1 year ago
@shigakusha1336 Or .. in short : Daisuke existing in some text is a RUMOR until that exact work is named and page number (if a book) or line number (if a scroll) is given. Numerous Nishina Lineage charts, dating back to BEFORE 1180s and into the Edo period---- NONE of them contain a Nishina Daisuke.
shigakusha1336 1 year ago
@kookdeville79 Also.. the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten is NOT a record of Authenticated koryu--- it is a record of REPORTED koryu. There is a difference... as a Reported Koryu CAN be a false ryu.
Thus... Togakure Ryu has been RECORDED.. but has not be authenticated.
shigakusha1336 1 year ago
@kookdeville79
"Although the existence of Daisuke Nishina has been verified,"
this is a lie.
"in that a person by that name was found by Koyama Ryutaro in a period work[citation needed], "
this citation needed means they don't have a source, they are making shit up.
"the history of the system has not been independently verified'
TRUE
"It must, however be noted that the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten recognises Togakure-ryū as a legitimate koryu bujutsu school"
no, the BRD lists CLAIMS, no verification.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor the validity togakure ryu has been independently verified by Yumio Nawa, soke of Masaki Ryu, and Okuse Heishichiro, Founder of the Iga Ryu Ninja Museum in Japan, both of whom are essentially the only two Japanese ninja historians that matter.
chucknorrispranks 1 year ago
@chucknorrispranks
you do realize that okuse heishichiro is also the FOUNDER of a story that places him as the soke of iga ryu ninjutsu as taught to him by fujita seiko... who we know was an authenticated practitioner of koka ryu wada ha ninjutsu...
"essentially the only two Japanese ninja historians that matter. "
now who is being closed minded? simply assert your position, and then declare all other sources but those that agree with you as irrelevant?
what about ninjutsu manuals?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@eliskander togakure ryu is not recognized. some of the other schools in the buinkan umbrella are legitimate koryu. togakure is a very, very small part of the curriculum, despite what you see in stephen hayes books from 1985.
pacificimporters 11 months ago
@pacificimporters finally! Someone who knows what they're talking about. Check out chikaraken dot (com) one of the few koryu left in America... don't know of any other except in Japan. Do you? I'd like to know if there are others dojo's here in America as far as Ju Taijutsu or Ju Jutsu (same thing)
BlackBeltNumber3 9 months ago
@BlackBeltNumber3
woah there bessy...
getting ahead of yourself there...
sounds almost as if you think this school is actually koryu or something....
don't kid yourself... there are 2 schools that are proven real in this organization... 2 old samurai koryu tagaki yoshin ryu and kukishin ryu. the rest are more than a little hazy... and it is quite clear that this school has absolutely no connection to any sort of ninjutsu.....
just a friendly reminder
Arteanor 9 months ago
@Arteanor youre making statements as absolutes without anything to back it up...fairly easy to post on the internet under a pseudonym and speak as an authority while offering nothing of substance to back your statements. You should leave Youtube and seek work in D.C. :) drinking the KoolAid goes both ways.
qeslah 7 months ago
@qeslah
"youre making statements as absolutes without anything to back it up.."
funny, you didn't start by asking for my sources... you instead ASSumed i had no sources...
as for the history of takamatsu it comes FROM A LETTER HE WROTE to kukishin ryu.
this letter is detailed in the Kukishinden Zensho, a book that records the many important documents regarding kukishin ryu.
while i do not have the book, the bujinkan member i learned this from does, and i have the original kanji
want it?
Arteanor 7 months ago
@Arteanor I was referring to the link to the dojo I mentioned in my previous post. This dojo is koryu JuJutsu ... the info about the one of instructors there reads: "This decision led him to Japan and Satoshi Goda-Sensei, a Japanese master of Ju Jutsu, in the mid 1970's and the study of Yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu. He studied under Goda-Sensei until Sensei's death in 1991. Goda-Sensei promoted Mr. Speakman to 7th degree."
BlackBeltNumber3 6 months ago
@Arteanor also from the link: "JUJUTSU is a term used by Japanese military historians to describe combat arts that were practiced primarily by the samurai. In the 17th and 18th centuries there were some 750 styles of Jujutsu. Today there may be half a dozen of the old combat styles (called "ko-ryu") still actively taught. "
BlackBeltNumber3 6 months ago
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@BlackBeltNumber3
"Today there may be half a dozen of the old combat styles (called "ko-ryu") still actively taught"
this shows that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about...
there are DOZENS of different koryu arts, you can find listings of them at places like koryu. com
spouting off like an expert when you are hypothesizing is pretty juvenile,,, may wanna tone that down a bit.
Arteanor 6 months ago
The last scene is amazing!
muledeer1976 2 years ago
It's a black-belt level test of a student's skills.
NinjaWolfHybrid 2 years ago
I agree. Why would that make anyone a hypocrate? You obviously have not studied at a Bujinkan Dojo or you would know this...Stop watching cheesy 80's movies.
ISAPIDLL 2 years ago
Hatsumi sensei is so cool. He's a great influence.
ILOVESPEED25 2 years ago
i love this art. i thank hatsumi for keeping this art alive till now
ionfreak93 2 years ago
@ionfreak93
more than keeping it alive i thank him for making it public!
go hatsumi!
anirudhkrishnamani 2 years ago
what art? ninjutsu?
he would have to have been taught it to be keeping it alive... and the closest he has come is what takamatsu made up from and i quote "ninja-gokko"(childhood ninja games).
its only in the third edition of the bugei ryuha daijiten, it was removed in subsequent versions as personal anecdotes (especially unciteable ones) have no place in a budo encyclopedia...
its worth noting that the brd only acknowledges claims.. it doesnt verify them like the koryu societies..
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
if they were only playing ninja-games, they must've been little anatomists eh? =)
likethesunshine 1 year ago
who says its honest?
its simply a record of what he said it was from.
i think a likely story is outline in an article found here:
sustainedreaction. yuku. com /topic/5540
it was about being marketable, it also was never called ninjutsu until the ninja boom. and who was anyone to argue? its a reasonably effective mix of techniques, tho they are from many different areas...
im not arguing its not good, simply that it is in fact, not ninjutsu
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
there's no such thing as "ninjutsu" there were schools of teachings that varied in techni
likethesunshine 1 year ago
ninjutsu is just a general term..
likethesunshine 1 year ago
that is a blatant lie...
ninjutsu is a historical term dating back to the 1700s atleast, we know this since its kanji is located in the scrolls we have acquired.
to say there is no such thing takes a lot of ignorance,,,,
and no, it is not just a general term, it is specifically the espionage and survival skillset used by shinobi soldiers during the warring period of feudal japan
just because you dont like my argument doesnt mean you can redefine historical terms, get real.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
check your facts...
the word ninja is VERY new considered to what you call "ninja".. the kanji actually reads "shinobi". ninja is the japanese way of reading it.
ninjutsu is what we call now in reference to the skills they used back then..
likethesunshine 1 year ago
so you admit defeat on your previous point and now want to argue my choice of words?
im dealing with a character cap, i try to keep comments as short as possible to maximize the amount of pwnage i can lay on you..
thank you for reciting basics while diverting from my point on the more advanced side of this discussion, when you actually have a historical source for ninjutsu even being a martial art,... look me up, but i dont think you will ever manage that...
continued.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
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likethesunshine you have yet to account for your blatant lies when you said this : "ninjutsu is just a general term.."
"there's no such thing as "ninjutsu" there were schools of teachings that varied in techni " ( not cut off, thats really all he wrote)
i have cited a historical source which uses the word ninjutsu, and you still want to argue you even know the basics? i think you need to seriously step it up if you think you got this.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown
Nin is a compound meaning something along the lines of stealth, patience, and perseverance. Jutsu is quite obvious to anyone who knows basic japanese.
Whether or not the ancient shinobi legitimately practiced this or not is irrelevant.
Also, I've always wondered.. Why would people not believe this is not a ninja art? You can still learn samurai arts..
Cagedand3nRaged 1 year ago
@Cagedand3nRaged
good question... i have the answer too...
YOU CAN learn ninjutsu... or atleast, what we have left of it... in several of the koryu schools that include it in a larger samurai curriculum. that is to say, the remnants of what was ninjutsu are still known to us...
the reason people SHOULDNT believe THIS to be ninjutsu, is because it directly contradicts ALL of those schools, the scrolls we have found, AND Authenticated ninja like Fujita Seiko, that it isnt a MA.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown
Sorry to bother you again, but weren't many of the scrolls passed down through family?
I have read the biography on Takamatsu. I don't see why I would not believe it is true any more than how I don't see why I would not believe that the biography of Da Vinci is true or not.
Cagedand3nRaged 1 year ago
@Cagedand3nRaged
yes so what? i would rather actually if you would be more specific are you refering to densho possessed by takamatsu? or the scrolls i am referring to ( the manuals)
that is the same as saying the bible is a biography of jesus so it must all be true...
as for da vinci, we have plenty of evidence for all of the claims he made... ( and that he made them) for takamatsu, the only evidence for his tale ( a tall tale at that) is HIS say-so, thats what kuden means.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown
Hm. Fair arguement. No worries I hold no bias for either side of the arguement. I'm just a curious individual xP
Cagedand3nRaged 1 year ago
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I wounder how much trouble you'd get in by the Ninjutsu society to lift the scrolls from the Dojo at hatsumi's dojo? Just hypothetically speaking people keep talking respect this respect that, what action would the mighty ninja take if they had some cat burgler attack them would they attack back or would they get police invovlement thus sounding hypocritical?
ameriann1 2 years ago
Even if the scrolls were stolen, the party responsible wouldn't be able to understand it. Its written in such a way that every secret written in them can only be understood by someone who's been doing this art for a long time.
How would calling the police be hypocritical? Why should Hatsumi or anyone waste their time when professionals are around to handle it? Everyone at the dojo should just continue to teach. Not that the scrolls would ever be stolen since they're HIDDEN.
LeonFuego 2 years ago
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yes very true, hatsumi cousin stole some of the denshos from him and called himself the soke of the art.
fardisghomeshi 2 years ago
cite a source for that please...
and if thats the case... why does hatsumi only claim kuden (oral transmission) if he has scrolls?
and why does hatsumi fail to present these densho if they are so valuable... it was the only reason they refused him entry into the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai...
he knows he doesnt know ninjutsu... but it makes him stupidly rich... i would probably do it too... course i wouldnt be able to live with myself lying like that... kudos to him..
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
im pretty sure being hatsumi he would be like take it , then leave for ur safety cuz all the other guys would be gunning for u
beewax1 2 years ago
@ameriann1 they proberly have an alarm system.
xxxKINGFROGxxx 2 years ago
to even a plot like that..our Grandmaster have your head..plus Ninjas around the world would be after you if you escaped! Dont do that..
IgaNinja91 2 years ago
There were 53 koga families. Large families. Do you honestly believe that only one person inherited the Koga mantle? This is foolish. Further, it is well documentated that other Koga Ninja existed, and taught - some even at the Nakano Spy School.
Further, the ONLY Ninja school recognized by the Japanese government is a Koga Ninja school - that of Jiniji Kawakami. You are mistaken to buy into the propoganda of an specific organization - who wants to corner the subject and market.
smauner 2 years ago
don't spread bullshit. kawakami isn't recognized by the government. fujita taught at nakano but said ninjutsu has no point in the modern world and explained specifically he would not teach it and it was dying with him. if you don't know jinichi kawakami's name don't act as if you can speak on facts.
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
thank you.
humble regards
keep up the budo
budoispeace 2 years ago
Some of the unarmed stuff seems a touch theatricalized, but hey, it's a demonstration.
I'm with Khrafstra on those naginata--I've never seen anyone wield naginata that large or that broad-bladed.
Do Bujinkan-style naginata practitioners compete in atarashii-naginata-do competitions? (Obviously I'm assuming they wouldn't use that exact type of naginata there.)
Vodkakinesis 2 years ago
they're not naginata they're bisento.
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
Oh, ok. I'm assuming that bisento is a variant form of that weapon then?
Are you familiar with the weapons used in that group's system? Do you know if people in Bujinkan compete with that or similar weapons (such as naginata) in atarashii-naginata or similar tournaments?
Vodkakinesis 2 years ago
we don't compete. bisento is the japanese version of the kwan dao. it's similar to the onaginata used in other ryu ha
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
kissrdbc and ElectricEnergyKing, please try to act your age and be real martial artists by not insulting each other like 2 year olds. Hatsumi says to not teach people with bad hearts.
Ninpo
ninpo4life 2 years ago 10
@ninpo4life
well said (*_*)
*bow*
angela
tayounorise 1 year ago
These are probably the largest naginata I have ever seen on 1:25...
khrafstra 2 years ago
There was a guy in japan that was a practicioner of ninjutsu who went on mission ni WWII and taught after the war. He also delivered lectures at japanese military academies. Anyone know his name?
londinio 2 years ago
I think you are refering to Hatsumi-sensei's teacher, Toshitsugu Takamatsu. He went on missions for the gov. and taught some to the Japanese military. Hope that helps.
Ninpo
ninpo4life 2 years ago 4