Hard to believe, as soon as you let go of any control pressure a 150/152 will stop spinning instantly because they are so foolproof to fly. This makes demonstrating correct spin recovery techniques so difficult in these planes. Other planes however might and will actually kill you doing so.
When ever I do stalls I always wonder what it looks like from the ground, anybody have a link to a video of someone filming someone stalling/spinning??
What I meant was its very doubtful that a student pilot will be "practicing" spins. A CFI with almost 12000 flight hours and his student crashed a piper tomahawk about two weeks ago in my area demonstrating spins and they are both dead. So your CFI should be very careful ok'ING a student to practice spins
@hifkhockey90 your next lesson will not be practicing spins. The only flight training that is allowed to demonstrate spins is for a CFI. So if your instructor is teaching you how to spin your aircraft he is wrong
@shagy2shagy actually, the only time a pilot is REQUIRED to perform a spin in order to pass the check ride is CFI. An instructor is allowed to demonstrate, or ask his students to demonstrate a spin even in initial private pilot training. The Federal Aviation Regulations do not prohibit spins before CFI training. and most instructors demonstrate a spin to Private Pilot students. as long as the aircraft is certified, there is no law against it.
Spin recovery, say these three stops before every flight. 1. Stop the power 2. Stop the rotation. 3. Stop the stall. 3 Stops just might save a life someday. Till then keep practicing and don't forget this is supposed to be a TON of fun.
The instructor here is completely right. My instructor has taken me through a spin just like this, it was hard for me to pull it out and simply because I didn't break the stall. Just like he said. There was no danger here because he knew exactly what he was doing. Have some faith... Maybe take a look into spins a bit more, or even better... how about all you FSX pilots get a real license, then say shit.
You know why this video is crazy? because it is done at low altitude? Because it is 7 rotations? NO! It is crazy because spins are prohibited in cessna 150s because during the recovery the rudder can becaome locked int eh full deflection position! They could have been forced to make an emergency landing.
@Vyppaaa11 Wrong. Check your facts - A correctly installed rudder is NOT prone to lock.
"The AD requires owners to either install a placard in the airplane to prohibit spins [...] or to replace some parts of the rudder, which would cost about $500."
"AOPA says the aircraft in the 1998 accident was not airworthy [...] the aircraft in the 2005 accident had rudder bumpers installed incorrectly."
@Agouti WRONG! The bumpers can hep prevent the problem but the C-150 (note that I am reffering to the 150, the 152's problem has been solved but they are 2 different models) is still not rated tperform spins.
Spins are perfectly safe. I have the endorsement to teach spins and spin recovery. I had a 7.5 rotation spin a few days ago in a 172. A true spin will show your airspeed indicating 0 knts :)
Before I got my license a new instructor told me.. You balk at stalls. The worse thingt that can happen is a spin.. lets to a spin. so we did in a C-150.
I don't now what happended but the speed built up.. and after we got out
my instructor was shaken.. up.
I say don't get into them. And I understand in Mooney's it's really dangerous.
Awesome vid! Thanks for sharing. I am 10 hours into my license right now and still trying to keep from freezing during spins. I have to admit, once this is over its straight and level flight for me! lol
@101andrewj if you think it is gay then dont join :-) I am doing the course right now. I am actually getting paid to get my PPL! We do wear uniforms, and you do have to put if work and dedication ahead of time, but it is 100% worth it if you can earn your wings and get paid to do so!
@JamesHardingVideos so do you gotta like sell apples out side of grocery stores or sell cookies or some shit.. other then the gay uniforms.... like fuck if their gunna be that uptight i might as well join the air force
@JamesHardingVideos whatever... i was never one for formality, or dicipline... i probably would have got kicked out of air caddets... il jus get my ppl when i got a spare 10 grand
thats pretty stupid. Iam sure a good instructor finds use into showing students a 7 rotation spin...hmmm what does the poh say about spins? i am pretty sure it says go more than 7 rotations to properly demo that ex. idiot
I think it was more like 4 or 5 rotations because I know that in a 150 when you rotate 2 or 3 times you come out at 140+ knots, which at 160, you overspeed the aircraft. No way it was 7, the wings would've ripped off, or you reallllllly stressed out the airframe. Although great job getting yourself out of a spin with no rudder!
@novsierra While the aircraft is in a spin it is stalled. Keeping the control column full aft insures that your airspeed doesn't build as you spin. 2, 3 or 10 rotations shouldn't matter provided you're at a safe altitude.
I guarantee you that if you do get yourself into a spin and you have never practiced it before with a CFI, you can still get out of it no problem. You have to study how to get out of it, and many times you are asked how to get out of a spin on your oral exam.
Every single BFR I've gone through since 1998 also required the oral quiz on spin recovery. Its not rough to close the throttle, lower the nose, opposite rudder and live to write another check to AOPA and fly again some udder day.
Well spins are specifically prohibited in a C150 unless the Airworthiness Directive has been complied with. Not only that but a sticker must be placed on the dash noting that aerobatics are prohibited unless the AD is taken care of. I think this applies to the C150 aerobat as well. Spin recovery practical is not a part of US P/P SEL
AOPA states the airworthiness directive that must be complied with in order to spin a 150 runs about 500 bucks. ironically enough, one of the fatal accidents responsible for the AD (implemeted in May of 2009?) occured in a Canadian aircraft.
Why would you want to sit there and hold a spin that long? Spin training is meant to teach you how to get out of trouble, not go looking for it. Like the earlier posts, certain mechanical issues and ADs can cause you to possibly not to recover and then what??? One turn, kick the rudder and forward yoke is plenty for practice.
Why? Because training should include recovering from the fully developed stage, not just the incipient stage as you're familiar with. There is a world of difference and unless you go 2-3 rotations, its not a full spin. So without the proper training, if you accidently get yourself in one, you'll be that much less likely to recover.
Well then, once in a fully developed spin the airspeed, rotation rate and vertical speed have all stabilized, so 3,4,5,6 more rotations make no difference. I told my student to recover after 3, another turn he had the rudder in, 2 more and the rotations weren't slowing (at 6 now) so I took control, broke the stall and recovered safely. There is nothing unsafe about this if you are confident in your abilities and the aircraft is properly maintained.
Ok, now I understand. I did not know that you were instructing a student. I think one of my concerns was exceeding Vne. What was your IAS when you recovered?
All being said, i would now say GOOD JOB. I've been on the ground for 20+ years(marriage, divorce, single parenthood, etc) and am about to spread my wings again. Think i will go LSA and sport pilot now.
No disrespect was intended towards your abilities.
@collinskr Agreed! I am a 19 year CFII and spins, one or twenty rotations are the same in a 150,152. I always do a one turn spin to make sure the plane is responding correctly the always at least 3 tuns in both directions with even my private students...same in a 172 which is what I fly now...don't spin the Cirrus ( not approvedd) though....ouch!
If you want to see what I mean, check out the vid of a 50rotation spin on here....sounds crazy but its not really, 7 or 50, its all the same, as long as you have altitude to recover!
Well to one pilot to another, I thought it was a nice recovery that looked like fun.
As for the master pilots below>
I don't know what it is with a lot of pilots these days, but I find it humorous somewhat that all of them think they are Chuck Yeager and must put in their two cents. Anyhow keep it real!
Please get some upset/spin recovery training. It is entirely possible that the rudder will not stop the rotation, that's why cessna has a step after that in their "recovery" procedure. Really understanding and applying the last step could mean the difference in a given spin situation.
This is me teaching spin recovery training....the rudder did not stop the rotation, which is why I used the following step in the procedure, broke the stall and recovered from the spiral.
sigh....a fairly recent AD brought on by a few accidents has made the maneuver prohibited without getting mods to the rudder travel stop assembly...Seems as though if you push too hard on the rudder during the recovery process it can become jammed and also restrict elevator movement...
I quick search will should show what I'm referring to. It was an AD about the rudder stops being installed incorrectly and a few deaths were the result. I saw the placard on a c-152 I rented recently and the AD was dated around May.
It's been 10 years since I did spin training so I'm more than a little rusty on spins. A question to someone who knows...Do you continue to hold rudder in the direction of the spin until you are ready to recover? I understand full opposite rudder to stop the rotation but I'm referring to while you're in the spin.
depends on what type of a/c you are flying, but for the C150, yes you have to hold it into the spin (unless the a/c is bent lol) otherwise it will just recover on its own
Spins really are not as bad as they look. Some people need a barf bag, some people love it the first time. But once you've done them a few times, you won't mind them. In an aircraft like a Cessna 152, 172, etc spins are very easy to recover from, and there is nothing to worry about unless you are closer to the ground.
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Alright man listen, if you're just out there doing spins for the fun of it, then you really don't need to be in an airplane. It's good to practice spins as part of your training, but just flying around doing them for fun is irresponsible of you. This is why we read about small plane crashes so often. Having a pilot's license is a huge responsibility, and you need to be mature enough to handle it well.
If you aren't competent to do spins confident that you can recover, then you shouldn't be flying. Unless he is doing them from an irresponsibly low altitude there shouldn't be an issue. Flying is muscle memory, if you don't practice, you forget.
@ClancD Well technically unless you are a CFI and doing them for training purposes or you are certified for aerobatic flight intentional spins are prohibited.
@Vyppaaa11 Not sure about that, when I was flying 172s I could do them as long as the aircraft was in the utility weight and balance category and I was not in controlled airspace.
@ClancD My 172 (and pretty much all other 172s) was also rated to spin as long as it was in the utility category weight and balance class. But the C-150 has been prohibited from doing spins because the abrupt and sometimes full rudder deflection could cause the rudder to stay jammed in that position.
You are such a misguided fool. You have more responsibility with your driving license. I bet your not. Flying recreational is for fun asswipe. The 150 is rated for spins all day long and if the pilot is such then they can do them all they want.
@ismasamov55 WRONG! The Cessna 150 is prohibited from doing spins. THe rudder can become locked in the full deflection position. It was even on a placard in my 150.
The best way to learn spin control is to fly a glider (sail plane). Glider is slow and spin can be controlled with precision. Many shuttle pilots in Houston get glider license too.
3) Apply and _HOLD_ full rudder opposite to the direction of rotation.
4) Just _AFTER_ the rudder reaches the stop, move the control wheel _BRISKLY_ forward far enough to break the stall. Full down elevator may be required at aft center of gravity loadings.
5) _HOLD_ these control inputs until rotation stops.
6) As rotation stops, neutralize rudder, and make a smooth recovery from the resulting dive.
welcome to a fully developed spin in a cessna....stall horn going off the whole time=spin...thats what it looks like passed 3 rotations...i think ur comparing it to a sprial, plane wouldn't be stalled in a spiral dive.
I believe that practicing spins are good just incase you ever do encounter one and if you have practiced them you can get out of it quicker with a lesser loss of altitude. However you would most likely encounter a stall and a spin when you are about to land and if you spin it when you are that low you are not going to survive.
Of course it's good to practise. If you have it you won't need it and if you need it you won't have it. The accident you prepare for is the accident you're less likely to have...and die from.
Spins, however, are prohibited in the POH of all Grumman American aircraft.
POH is the pilot operating hand book, its like the airplane manual. Every airplane has its very own manual specific to that airplane. PIM-- pilot information manual has common procedures for all airplanes of that make and model.
The Cessna 152 has a 3.8 positive, 1.52 negative rating in the normal category. The Cessna 150 and 152 are approved for spins. Seek instruction and get it done, it could save your life. Unless you allow excessive airspeed to build after stopping the rotation you'll be fine. Don't jerk on the controls, ease on them. Especially when above VA.
My flight instructor Mark.. complained that I baulked too much at my impending stalls and said. you have to overcome your reluctance to stall the plane.. the worse thing which could happen was a spin. Well he put us in a spin
and when we got out his was visibly shaken.
Apparently EAA Chapter 73 lost two memebers while practicing spins in a cessna 150.
And there is no recomended spin recovery in a mooney.
one more thing, 7 spins is a little too much in the textbook it says you should recover before it gets to 6 rotations or else you risk going beyond the VNE of the aircraft and compromise the structure. besides the purpose of the spin exercise is to recover asap with minimal altitude loss.
The biggest differance between a spin and spiral dive, Spin, speed remains low, One or two wings stalled, descent is thru a fixed axis down, spiral dive, Bank angle increases, speed increases, and no wing over critical AoA
Yes your right about the speed. I was thinking what makes spirals dangerous and its going pass your VNE. I guess what makes spins dangerous is that it can get out of control real fast especially if aircraft is not certified for it.
Your not required to do them for your PPL. But i recomend doing them anyway before you solo to keep ur self safe in the event you mess up a stall manuever or something of the sort.
Maybe I fly like a girl but I practice both power on and power off stalls when I do my solo flights and never once have I come into a spin condition. As long as you keep the ball centered during high AoA flights at or near stall speeds the aircraft will never spin.
It would be good to go up with a CFI and do some spins, if nothing else to get the feel of what they are like and to actually go through the recovery procedure.
it's not required for commercial, only for CFI. And by the way, doing 7 rotations isn't helping anything, it just says you don't know how to recover from a spin.
but they are allowed if they are within utility category, some other small acrobatics are also allowed, its so written on a placecard at my local airport.
A plane does not have to be aerobatic to be authorized for spins, it is clear in most 150's POHs that spins are not prohibited, and they are practiced for CFI checkride.
Nice videos...allways wanted to flim one of there during my trg days....CHEERS
choothish 1 month ago
Aha i love to do spins in WNX! The stall horn is not as annoying as other aircraft
01CanaDutschland10 2 months ago
howd u put it into a spiral from a spin?
sailesh2001 2 months ago
Your not supposed to do more than 2 rotations man, read the FTM and POH.
ScientificExploits 3 months ago
this is madness!!!
HugoRez 3 months ago
Hard to believe, as soon as you let go of any control pressure a 150/152 will stop spinning instantly because they are so foolproof to fly. This makes demonstrating correct spin recovery techniques so difficult in these planes. Other planes however might and will actually kill you doing so.
MrPeagee 3 months ago 2
rather poor airmanship.
beergut111 4 months ago
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
rorschachstiffocate 4 months ago
When ever I do stalls I always wonder what it looks like from the ground, anybody have a link to a video of someone filming someone stalling/spinning??
TheMattyccc 4 months ago
What I meant was its very doubtful that a student pilot will be "practicing" spins. A CFI with almost 12000 flight hours and his student crashed a piper tomahawk about two weeks ago in my area demonstrating spins and they are both dead. So your CFI should be very careful ok'ING a student to practice spins
shagy2shagy 5 months ago
@shagy2shagy the clue is in the name piper tombhalk as they are now called never spin a tomahawk
spud1252 2 months ago
cessnas recover so well that you actually have to MAINTAIN the spin.
mangajo 5 months ago
@hifkhockey90 your next lesson will not be practicing spins. The only flight training that is allowed to demonstrate spins is for a CFI. So if your instructor is teaching you how to spin your aircraft he is wrong
shagy2shagy 5 months ago
@shagy2shagy actually, the only time a pilot is REQUIRED to perform a spin in order to pass the check ride is CFI. An instructor is allowed to demonstrate, or ask his students to demonstrate a spin even in initial private pilot training. The Federal Aviation Regulations do not prohibit spins before CFI training. and most instructors demonstrate a spin to Private Pilot students. as long as the aircraft is certified, there is no law against it.
witcherdude 5 months ago
OHHH man..that shit is sick! In my next lesson im gona do that.
xterrasesc 6 months ago
man that looks like fun
2Aug2 6 months ago
Spin recovery, say these three stops before every flight. 1. Stop the power 2. Stop the rotation. 3. Stop the stall. 3 Stops just might save a life someday. Till then keep practicing and don't forget this is supposed to be a TON of fun.
AKDominate 7 months ago
The instructor here is completely right. My instructor has taken me through a spin just like this, it was hard for me to pull it out and simply because I didn't break the stall. Just like he said. There was no danger here because he knew exactly what he was doing. Have some faith... Maybe take a look into spins a bit more, or even better... how about all you FSX pilots get a real license, then say shit.
TheMeslava 8 months ago 2
I learn stall today, when my instructor did an exemple, we entered in a spin. We did just a quater of a turn, but I was totally scared...
Skayzifly 8 months ago
this is my next lesson , can't wait :P
HIFKhockey90 9 months ago
Damn, that some scary shit!
PIECE2YOURMOTHA 10 months ago
It that suppose to happen? Isn't that dangerous? Is it part of the training?
SJ9495 1 year ago
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kingkalc 1 year ago
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kingkalc 1 year ago
cool!
The5iveTibetans 1 year ago
fuck that shit
Na8ters 1 year ago
You know why this video is crazy? because it is done at low altitude? Because it is 7 rotations? NO! It is crazy because spins are prohibited in cessna 150s because during the recovery the rudder can becaome locked int eh full deflection position! They could have been forced to make an emergency landing.
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
@Vyppaaa11 Wrong. Check your facts - A correctly installed rudder is NOT prone to lock.
"The AD requires owners to either install a placard in the airplane to prohibit spins [...] or to replace some parts of the rudder, which would cost about $500."
"AOPA says the aircraft in the 1998 accident was not airworthy [...] the aircraft in the 2005 accident had rudder bumpers installed incorrectly."
That was not low altitude for an instructor.
Agouti 1 year ago
@Agouti WRONG! The bumpers can hep prevent the problem but the C-150 (note that I am reffering to the 150, the 152's problem has been solved but they are 2 different models) is still not rated tperform spins.
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
ooooo the altimeters feelin that one haha nice recovery
12rosster 1 year ago
is this easy to do? How hard is it to pull out of this spin?
xterrasesc 1 year ago
Spins are perfectly safe. I have the endorsement to teach spins and spin recovery. I had a 7.5 rotation spin a few days ago in a 172. A true spin will show your airspeed indicating 0 knts :)
Therealpilot88 1 year ago
pmsfl ya mad c**t's hahahahahahahahha
TheL94e 1 year ago
Before I got my license a new instructor told me.. You balk at stalls. The worse thingt that can happen is a spin.. lets to a spin. so we did in a C-150.
I don't now what happended but the speed built up.. and after we got out
my instructor was shaken.. up.
I say don't get into them. And I understand in Mooney's it's really dangerous.
josephdupont 1 year ago
Awesome vid! Thanks for sharing. I am 10 hours into my license right now and still trying to keep from freezing during spins. I have to admit, once this is over its straight and level flight for me! lol
waynehowie 1 year ago
Mention spins and the arm chairs come out in full force.
Great video, what kind of camera was this?
dearthpanda 1 year ago
talk about shitting your pants.
umahuma4 1 year ago
I hate practicing spins, it's such an un-natural flight feeling....lol
Thesupersmith79 1 year ago
i wana get my licence... but this shit costs nearly 10000
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj join cadets if you are in Canada :-) Make the taxpayers pay it for you ;-)
JamesHardingVideos 1 year ago
@JamesHardingVideos air cadets is gay tho... but if i do join, its free? and do u gotta wear gay uniforms and shit
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj if you think it is gay then dont join :-) I am doing the course right now. I am actually getting paid to get my PPL! We do wear uniforms, and you do have to put if work and dedication ahead of time, but it is 100% worth it if you can earn your wings and get paid to do so!
JamesHardingVideos 1 year ago
@JamesHardingVideos so do you gotta like sell apples out side of grocery stores or sell cookies or some shit.. other then the gay uniforms.... like fuck if their gunna be that uptight i might as well join the air force
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj nope...that "shit" is boy scouts. :p
How old are you?
JamesHardingVideos 1 year ago
@JamesHardingVideos 20, and i live in toronto
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj too late for cadets anyway :p
JamesHardingVideos 1 year ago
@JamesHardingVideos whatever... i was never one for formality, or dicipline... i probably would have got kicked out of air caddets... il jus get my ppl when i got a spare 10 grand
101andrewj 1 year ago
i'm curious as to what you actually did to recover because opposite rudder wasn't working :)
mrdistraction 1 year ago
50rotation spin
basimpsn 1 year ago
what was your airspeed on recovery?
strangemarley 1 year ago
What was the piolot thinking
MEGA COCK !!!!!
whoisyourmumME 1 year ago
I would
whoisyourmumME 1 year ago
I wouldn't laugh after this.
jofus2019 1 year ago
Wooo....this is the most scary spin i ever seen with a C150 !!!! you were lucky man...this is a very bad spin,i saw it since the first rotation!
palla78 1 year ago
is spinning scarier than a roller coaster?
fsC130J 1 year ago
@fsC130J I'd say it's like being on a roller coaster, it's good fun. But I like roller coasters.
JonB83 1 year ago
ok, thanks for the reply
fsC130J 1 year ago
Did ya land the plane? Walked away from it right? Good job! Carry on. No sweat!
graycloud057 1 year ago
thats pretty stupid. Iam sure a good instructor finds use into showing students a 7 rotation spin...hmmm what does the poh say about spins? i am pretty sure it says go more than 7 rotations to properly demo that ex. idiot
gilipichiairways 1 year ago
I think it was more like 4 or 5 rotations because I know that in a 150 when you rotate 2 or 3 times you come out at 140+ knots, which at 160, you overspeed the aircraft. No way it was 7, the wings would've ripped off, or you reallllllly stressed out the airframe. Although great job getting yourself out of a spin with no rudder!
novsierra 1 year ago
@novsierra While the aircraft is in a spin it is stalled. Keeping the control column full aft insures that your airspeed doesn't build as you spin. 2, 3 or 10 rotations shouldn't matter provided you're at a safe altitude.
RangerRaider 1 year ago
Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by "put it into a spiral to recover". Thanks.
Pathtith 1 year ago
The first spin is the most fun! When my instructor did this for the first time i realized there was nothing to hold on to! about craped myself...
Bruette44 1 year ago
So right! There is NOTHING to hold onto.
jofus2019 1 year ago
That's awesome! I remember my first spin. When my instructor started it I was terrified. After recovering--I wanted to do it again!
LateNightTaxi 2 years ago
what would you compare this to is it really that scary?
jvlinks 1 year ago
It is pretty scary, but moderate rollar coasters scare me,so....
My spin demonstration only lasted about 5 seconds compared to this 15 second one. I would be terrified on this one!
jofus2019 1 year ago
i want to see that from the ground...
myrandomspaces 2 years ago
I have actually done this near a highway, I wonder how the drivers would have reacted to a plane falling from the sky like a leaf from a tree.
unusmultorumm 1 year ago
is this on all flight lessons because I'm 8hrs in and I don't think im brave enough to handle that
skatergmail 2 years ago
Face your fears.
What happens if you are all alone in the air and you get into a spin without ever having practiced with a CFI? There's a good chance you'd be dead.
I don't know if it is required training in the US, but up here in Canada, it must be done to acquire your license.
GhostOfPaley 2 years ago 2
I guarantee you that if you do get yourself into a spin and you have never practiced it before with a CFI, you can still get out of it no problem. You have to study how to get out of it, and many times you are asked how to get out of a spin on your oral exam.
djdecember 2 years ago
Every single BFR I've gone through since 1998 also required the oral quiz on spin recovery. Its not rough to close the throttle, lower the nose, opposite rudder and live to write another check to AOPA and fly again some udder day.
flapsdwn 2 years ago
Well spins are specifically prohibited in a C150 unless the Airworthiness Directive has been complied with. Not only that but a sticker must be placed on the dash noting that aerobatics are prohibited unless the AD is taken care of. I think this applies to the C150 aerobat as well. Spin recovery practical is not a part of US P/P SEL
flapsdwn 2 years ago
AOPA states the airworthiness directive that must be complied with in order to spin a 150 runs about 500 bucks. ironically enough, one of the fatal accidents responsible for the AD (implemeted in May of 2009?) occured in a Canadian aircraft.
flapsdwn 2 years ago
It's illegal to undertake any spins when working on your PPL or Instrument. For CFI spins are legal only for training purpose.
t0xy 1 year ago
@t0xy thats not true at all, if your plane is rated for spins then you can spin it.
lunchbag08 1 year ago
For PPL it is optional.
lowcostvideos 1 year ago
@skatergmail yes it is required but dont worry i felt the same way
rockdoon2 1 year ago
Why would you want to sit there and hold a spin that long? Spin training is meant to teach you how to get out of trouble, not go looking for it. Like the earlier posts, certain mechanical issues and ADs can cause you to possibly not to recover and then what??? One turn, kick the rudder and forward yoke is plenty for practice.
hltibbs 2 years ago
Why? Because training should include recovering from the fully developed stage, not just the incipient stage as you're familiar with. There is a world of difference and unless you go 2-3 rotations, its not a full spin. So without the proper training, if you accidently get yourself in one, you'll be that much less likely to recover.
collinskr 2 years ago 33
Actually I am familiar with more than an incipient spin. I will agree 2-3 turns, but 7?
hltibbs 2 years ago
Well then, once in a fully developed spin the airspeed, rotation rate and vertical speed have all stabilized, so 3,4,5,6 more rotations make no difference. I told my student to recover after 3, another turn he had the rudder in, 2 more and the rotations weren't slowing (at 6 now) so I took control, broke the stall and recovered safely. There is nothing unsafe about this if you are confident in your abilities and the aircraft is properly maintained.
collinskr 2 years ago 12
Ok, now I understand. I did not know that you were instructing a student. I think one of my concerns was exceeding Vne. What was your IAS when you recovered?
All being said, i would now say GOOD JOB. I've been on the ground for 20+ years(marriage, divorce, single parenthood, etc) and am about to spread my wings again. Think i will go LSA and sport pilot now.
No disrespect was intended towards your abilities.
hltibbs 2 years ago
@collinskr Agreed! I am a 19 year CFII and spins, one or twenty rotations are the same in a 150,152. I always do a one turn spin to make sure the plane is responding correctly the always at least 3 tuns in both directions with even my private students...same in a 172 which is what I fly now...don't spin the Cirrus ( not approvedd) though....ouch!
builder2b 2 years ago
If you want to see what I mean, check out the vid of a 50rotation spin on here....sounds crazy but its not really, 7 or 50, its all the same, as long as you have altitude to recover!
collinskr 2 years ago 2
Do you have the URL for this one?
hltibbs 2 years ago
I've tried looking for it a couple of times but can't seem to find it anymore.....anybody else have any luck finding the 50 rotation spin video??
collinskr 2 years ago
@collinskr
Try cessna crash doing 50 stall spins
basimpsn 1 year ago
@collinskr youtube dot com/ + watch?v=eFI0ZXAWrsc&feature=related
tbmavengerstuka 1 year ago
@collinskr ?v=eFI0ZXAWrsc&feature=related
tbmavengerstuka 1 year ago
@collinskr Not 50, but 29... Something like that...
JetlinerXPilotXFSX 11 months ago
@JetlinerXPilotXFSX WOAH! Its Slade! no way man
fsC130J 9 months ago
@collinskr watch?v=iQkk0JLjEJY
There is 60 spins.
VaughnLittle 5 months ago
@hltibbs youtube dot com/ + watch?v=eFI0ZXAWrsc&feature=related
tbmavengerstuka 1 year ago
@hltibbs or just search "Insane Stunt: Plane Spins 52 1/2 times in a row!"
tbmavengerstuka 1 year ago
@collinskr Apart from 50 spins will make you feel much more sick!
TheTenderhooligan 1 year ago
@collinskr you are so right man!
Best regards from Argentina!
fedeaer737 6 months ago
Because doing spins is fun!
Years ago I did 15 turns in a 150, did 20 turns in a Taylorcraft a few years after that.
parafan 2 years ago
Well to one pilot to another, I thought it was a nice recovery that looked like fun.
As for the master pilots below>
I don't know what it is with a lot of pilots these days, but I find it humorous somewhat that all of them think they are Chuck Yeager and must put in their two cents. Anyhow keep it real!
WarCowboy 2 years ago
Please get some upset/spin recovery training. It is entirely possible that the rudder will not stop the rotation, that's why cessna has a step after that in their "recovery" procedure. Really understanding and applying the last step could mean the difference in a given spin situation.
JamesNoBrakes 2 years ago
This is me teaching spin recovery training....the rudder did not stop the rotation, which is why I used the following step in the procedure, broke the stall and recovered from the spiral.
collinskr 2 years ago
sigh....a fairly recent AD brought on by a few accidents has made the maneuver prohibited without getting mods to the rudder travel stop assembly...Seems as though if you push too hard on the rudder during the recovery process it can become jammed and also restrict elevator movement...
masterchiefgtx 2 years ago
Its not that recent, every cessna i've every flow in has had the proper rudder stop.
collinskr 2 years ago
I quick search will should show what I'm referring to. It was an AD about the rudder stops being installed incorrectly and a few deaths were the result. I saw the placard on a c-152 I rented recently and the AD was dated around May.
masterchiefgtx 2 years ago
It's been 10 years since I did spin training so I'm more than a little rusty on spins. A question to someone who knows...Do you continue to hold rudder in the direction of the spin until you are ready to recover? I understand full opposite rudder to stop the rotation but I'm referring to while you're in the spin.
palabras50 2 years ago
depends on what type of a/c you are flying, but for the C150, yes you have to hold it into the spin (unless the a/c is bent lol) otherwise it will just recover on its own
ConAirProductions 2 years ago
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rabidduck458 2 years ago
just did my first spin in a cessna 172. I'm still not sure if i liked it!
moroll 2 years ago
have you seen the AD prohibiting spins in a 150?
ernstkessler 2 years ago
yes, its on all C150/152 models inc. aerobats, still no mod has been certified yet!
ConAirProductions 2 years ago
I do 15 turn with Cessna 150
It take 1 and half turn to stop the rotation.
So I belive this one
Phi750 2 years ago
lol could have been a death right there.
anonymousstormchaser 2 years ago
pfft, cessnas are easy. i learnt to fly in the piper tomahawk. now that spins
The1AV8or 2 years ago
collinskr, don't lie. rudder did plenty. Its a 150...
c150l 2 years ago
Spins really are not as bad as they look. Some people need a barf bag, some people love it the first time. But once you've done them a few times, you won't mind them. In an aircraft like a Cessna 152, 172, etc spins are very easy to recover from, and there is nothing to worry about unless you are closer to the ground.
calliopeyacht 2 years ago
hnizdil93 stop lieing
mattyccc2009 2 years ago
spins are ace lol.
BrokenWarrior92 2 years ago
fuck that shit lol
jacksvids 2 years ago
were you wearing your parachute?
goodgamejackass 2 years ago
parachutes are for old people...
the1bigace 2 years ago 2
I'm gonna shit my pants tomorrow when I'm flying with my uncle and he does this spin!!!!
hnizdil93 2 years ago
that was bad ass.
keep up the great work. it got intense half way thru the spins.
sniperserg 2 years ago
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Alright man listen, if you're just out there doing spins for the fun of it, then you really don't need to be in an airplane. It's good to practice spins as part of your training, but just flying around doing them for fun is irresponsible of you. This is why we read about small plane crashes so often. Having a pilot's license is a huge responsibility, and you need to be mature enough to handle it well.
jeremyc311709 2 years ago
If you aren't competent to do spins confident that you can recover, then you shouldn't be flying. Unless he is doing them from an irresponsibly low altitude there shouldn't be an issue. Flying is muscle memory, if you don't practice, you forget.
ClancD 2 years ago 8
@ClancD Well technically unless you are a CFI and doing them for training purposes or you are certified for aerobatic flight intentional spins are prohibited.
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
@Vyppaaa11 Not sure about that, when I was flying 172s I could do them as long as the aircraft was in the utility weight and balance category and I was not in controlled airspace.
ClancD 1 year ago
@ClancD My 172 (and pretty much all other 172s) was also rated to spin as long as it was in the utility category weight and balance class. But the C-150 has been prohibited from doing spins because the abrupt and sometimes full rudder deflection could cause the rudder to stay jammed in that position.
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
You are such a misguided fool. You have more responsibility with your driving license. I bet your not. Flying recreational is for fun asswipe. The 150 is rated for spins all day long and if the pilot is such then they can do them all they want.
ismasamov55 2 years ago 6
@ismasamov55 WRONG! The Cessna 150 is prohibited from doing spins. THe rudder can become locked in the full deflection position. It was even on a placard in my 150.
Vyppaaa11 1 year ago
I agree so much,You can not be more right......
GirlE715 2 years ago
How do you know he was just doing them for fun. It could be that he was practicing them.
crashdog5866 2 years ago
now what was your airspeed at the end of this
DITMN 2 years ago
wonderful vid!
StarZiggy3 2 years ago
The best way to learn spin control is to fly a glider (sail plane). Glider is slow and spin can be controlled with precision. Many shuttle pilots in Houston get glider license too.
fellowindividual 2 years ago
lol why didnt you use the rudder?
victorh1414 2 years ago 4
Read the description.
salemcripple 2 years ago 2
Read the POH...
1) Retard throttle to idle position
2) Place Ailerons in neutral position
3) Apply and _HOLD_ full rudder opposite to the direction of rotation.
4) Just _AFTER_ the rudder reaches the stop, move the control wheel _BRISKLY_ forward far enough to break the stall. Full down elevator may be required at aft center of gravity loadings.
5) _HOLD_ these control inputs until rotation stops.
6) As rotation stops, neutralize rudder, and make a smooth recovery from the resulting dive.
BobMarkeyUGT 2 years ago
Really OK
bacioccone 2 years ago
nice. i did spins today, but nothing like that. Harv's air! woot woot.
AngusWilson6 2 years ago
In the early days of flight a lot of the pre instrument old farts used a spin as a safe (airframe) way to go through an overcast layer
pemgolf 2 years ago
nice work
TopFlight028 3 years ago
welcome to a fully developed spin in a cessna....stall horn going off the whole time=spin...thats what it looks like passed 3 rotations...i think ur comparing it to a sprial, plane wouldn't be stalled in a spiral dive.
collinskr 3 years ago
looked like a diving aileron roll to me, the nose was pointed almost straight down the whole time.
beddog 3 years ago
good job gettin out of it though....:)
beddog 3 years ago
I believe that practicing spins are good just incase you ever do encounter one and if you have practiced them you can get out of it quicker with a lesser loss of altitude. However you would most likely encounter a stall and a spin when you are about to land and if you spin it when you are that low you are not going to survive.
Afterburner245 3 years ago
Of course it's good to practise. If you have it you won't need it and if you need it you won't have it. The accident you prepare for is the accident you're less likely to have...and die from.
Spins, however, are prohibited in the POH of all Grumman American aircraft.
SenorSpode 3 years ago 2
what is POH
cjracer1000 3 years ago
Pilot Operating Handbook.
deeringdeluxe 2 years ago 2
thanks dude
cjracer1000 2 years ago 2
POH is the pilot operating hand book, its like the airplane manual. Every airplane has its very own manual specific to that airplane. PIM-- pilot information manual has common procedures for all airplanes of that make and model.
jmitterii2 2 years ago
Thanks!
cjracer1000 2 years ago
there are reasons why i don't do spins in a 152. it is not a good plat form to learn. need something a little more heavy and more predictable. XD
SWH0188720 3 years ago
its one of the best to learn on and the most popular training aircraft ever. very predictable if you know your plane and what you're doing
collinskr 3 years ago
The 152 (not 150) that I train in has a positive g rating of 3.... note to self don't get to it :)
freshyrocks 3 years ago
The Cessna 152 has a 3.8 positive, 1.52 negative rating in the normal category. The Cessna 150 and 152 are approved for spins. Seek instruction and get it done, it could save your life. Unless you allow excessive airspeed to build after stopping the rotation you'll be fine. Don't jerk on the controls, ease on them. Especially when above VA.
OnePilotsVideoLog 3 years ago
did my spin training a couple of weeks ago. Good fun : )
freshyrocks 3 years ago
It's helpful to have good landmarks when you are trying to count the revs! Great video!
pdutube 3 years ago
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!
klez1201 3 years ago
My flight instructor Mark.. complained that I baulked too much at my impending stalls and said. you have to overcome your reluctance to stall the plane.. the worse thing which could happen was a spin. Well he put us in a spin
and when we got out his was visibly shaken.
Apparently EAA Chapter 73 lost two memebers while practicing spins in a cessna 150.
And there is no recomended spin recovery in a mooney.
josephdupont 3 years ago
one more thing, 7 spins is a little too much in the textbook it says you should recover before it gets to 6 rotations or else you risk going beyond the VNE of the aircraft and compromise the structure. besides the purpose of the spin exercise is to recover asap with minimal altitude loss.
dabambz 3 years ago
WRONG,,,
The biggest differance between a spin and spiral dive, Spin, speed remains low, One or two wings stalled, descent is thru a fixed axis down, spiral dive, Bank angle increases, speed increases, and no wing over critical AoA
crosswindaviator 3 years ago
Yes your right about the speed. I was thinking what makes spirals dangerous and its going pass your VNE. I guess what makes spins dangerous is that it can get out of control real fast especially if aircraft is not certified for it.
dabambz 3 years ago
OMG, thats dam scari, hope i dont do that in my 1st lesson lol
britanniaairlines12 3 years ago
Your not required to do them for your PPL. But i recomend doing them anyway before you solo to keep ur self safe in the event you mess up a stall manuever or something of the sort.
jfreak91 3 years ago
Maybe I fly like a girl but I practice both power on and power off stalls when I do my solo flights and never once have I come into a spin condition. As long as you keep the ball centered during high AoA flights at or near stall speeds the aircraft will never spin.
jochenheiden 3 years ago
It would be good to go up with a CFI and do some spins, if nothing else to get the feel of what they are like and to actually go through the recovery procedure.
da40flyer 3 years ago
yea but the more you know the better
keeevan 3 years ago
fuck you cow 32....it was fun
juicebox232 3 years ago
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Barbraossa85 3 years ago
great video!
rals90 3 years ago
I hate doing spins, too bad its required for commercial
kenshinvin 3 years ago
it's not required for commercial, only for CFI. And by the way, doing 7 rotations isn't helping anything, it just says you don't know how to recover from a spin.
BarnstormingFilms 3 years ago
When you are doing your commercial licenses in canada im pretty sure u must know how to recover form a spin
kenshinvin 3 years ago
well, thats Canada... in the U.S., you have to KNOW how to recover from a spin for Private through Commercial, but it is only demonstrated for CFI
BarnstormingFilms 3 years ago
my instructor said he has to see me initiate a spin and recover from it, but it's not required for the flight test, only for the commercial.
dabambz 3 years ago
same in EU. Just have to know a theory not a practical tests, simply because spins are prohibited on planes without acrobatic certifications.
602780573 3 years ago
but they are allowed if they are within utility category, some other small acrobatics are also allowed, its so written on a placecard at my local airport.
keeevan 3 years ago
A plane does not have to be aerobatic to be authorized for spins, it is clear in most 150's POHs that spins are not prohibited, and they are practiced for CFI checkride.
aviador1982 3 years ago
How on earth did you get it to spin so much i can only get 2 or 3 out of it that with some power :P
erm1123 3 years ago