So the only way to get out of this "psychosis" is to go deeper into faith.....i.e deeper into psycosis?!? LOL! Whether strong atheist or religious fanatic, if they r close minded and refuse to discuss their "beliefs" especially with opposing views, they can go off the deep end which is why we ALL must lean toward religious tolerance. Sadly, I don't think most religious folks can do this.
Fiction book? whatever! I wouldn't waist my time trying to prove anything to a closed minded person that cannot see beyond there own self centered world. Atheism is the religion of the Anti-Christ that will grow and fester and cover the earth only to be destroyed by Jesus Christ.
This clip is the biggest crock of shit I've seen yet on YouTube. It's a condescending ad-hominem attack with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support it. Atheists have ranged from personalities as diverse as Carl Sagan, Ben Franklin, Frank Lloyd-Wright, Thomas Paine, Ayn Rand, Kurt Vonnegut, Arthur C Clarke, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson and Natalie Portman. Yet this moron tries to clump us all in with Hitler and Mussolini and they weren't even atheist, they were Roman-Catholic!
Don't be fooled.... This guy IS NOT STUPID. Oh, well, he IS stupid, but not when building his case. He is stupid AND dangerous. That's what I meant. Look at how he takes the viewers and deceives them all. This denotes planning, for sure. Slowly but surely, you (the viewer) are led to accept almost unconsciously that "atheists" are PSYCHOPATHS, and MURDERERS (Mussolini? Really?). Watch closely at 2:24 how he transitions from using words like "atheism", to "psychologycal profile" to "psychosis."
haha lmfao. what is it with religious idiots that are too weak to defend their nonsense on youtube. to date, the only times that I have ever encountered comment censoring on youtube is when it is posted by some religious moron such as yourself. I was going to be nice, but since you are the only one reading this. Go fuck yourself. If you want to start a dialog in the public sphere, be prepared for people to point out how foolish you are being to the rest of the viewers.
yes it is true, some people are incapable of rational thought; some start out atheists and become Christians, some Christians become atheists. Some even write books. It really doesn't matter. It makes no difference in the rational behind believing in something for which we have no evidence for
If I believe that blue pixies are creator gods will that suffice as an equally valid argument or does it have to be believed on-mass in order to be true? If so what are the rules?
If it is logically plausible that a creator must first exist - who created the creator? Or is this creator (who I assume doesn't apply to this rule) a way out of an infinite regress you have created? What stops the logic of "I believe in a God that created your creator God?" ad infinitum?
I find this hard to believe that an educated, research oriented, knowledgeable atheist, would just take an irrational change that would make him ignore his knowledge & experience, to accept what he's discovered to be delusion!
I know the atheists I know don't fit that "insane" class he's described here.
I really wonder, especially in the way this guy presented his case, just how much is made up! i tend to believe all of this was. For 1 thing, what they classify as atheists, is nothing like us!.
That is totally ignorant, I wonder if this guy even realized Mussoulini was not an atheist. So does that mean all religous people are deluded and crazy, becuase many claim god told them to do this and claim to see signs which are hallucinations. I'm an atheist, and most of the time I'm neutral, I'm neither sad, nor happy, and experience a full range of emotions based on what I do and and what happens to me. I assume most people of faith have high dopamine levels becuase there always happy.
Ohh noes, all atheists are sick individuals. Because everyone knows that stereotyping your opponent as mentally unstable means that you don't have to take anything of their well thought out criticisms of religion, just pray that they will get the help the so desperately need before they go on a bloody massacre.
Wow, just wow, I really hope the people making this video don't actually think this is going to convince anyone except the people who already believe in fairy tails. Wait, scratch that, most of them wouldn't even be stupid enough to believe this.
Freudian psych ??? Is he serious ... These people aren't out to change peoples minds with reason & , logical thought... They're feeding the gullible & the ignorant half-cooked psuedo-psycho bullshit ... Their ideas are dead in the water ...
i'm really loosing hope on human reason and beginning to think, that many religious people are mentally sick. Well you should try something more subtle than this feeble attempt to rationalize your crazytalk with some bookshelfs! And please stop always repeating the same evil atheist-man and forgetting the thousands of religious men that had killig billions of people over the last 2 or 3 thounsan of years....its too easy dont you think?
saying someone is mentally ill is just sooooo much easier to do than use that pesky science and evidence to back up my claims. thank god im an athiest
Atheism makes sense christianity doesnt. Give me proof Heaven or Hell exists. And dont use your fiction book. I grew up in a christian/ catholic home, people its basically the same thing, Religion is the basis of all the hate in the world. So join me in boycotting religion. Once religion is truly gone shall we have a peaceful planet.
Here is the question posted to Christians where did God come from, and don't give the same boring answer, "He was always here." Because that makes no sense. Also, I studied the bible for many years, as a Christian and the reason I don't believe anymore is because of the many contradictions. I'm not saying there is no god, just that "his" word is flawed.
Ever thought that our universe might have always been there? It doesn't need to have been created from nothing, it doesn't even need to have been created. Is that a bit to weird for you to comprehend?
And by the way.. is the lunatic in this video saying that I am like Stalin in every way just because both he and I was and are atheists?
I have thought of that, but I know from the laws of physics that in the beginning, the universe is total energy and at the end it is total entropy. The universe could not have existed in space-time prior to the point when it was total energy. The universe could not have been frozen in a state of total energy for very long. All matter and energy is movement and all movement converts energy into entropy.
That is why most physicists believe in the big bang theory.
And where did god come from? don't you laugh about a question science cannot yet answer and in the same time believe that god always existed, being created out of nothing by himself, before he had a "Himself" to create himself. Science at least doesn't fear to answer it, and when it does answer, it will be with some prove.
its not from nothing. maybe you should realy READ the bigbang theorie, or try to understand it. i think even you can. and as for evolution: you see evolution every year and every day, bakteria changing its genom, viruses getting resistent (thats why you have to reinoculate)... that are things that dont happen because some spirit told them to. in higher developed creatures, that change takes more time, because one individual does life longer and does not propagate so fast and often.
Alright then; give me proof of the theory of evolution and the Big Bang theory without the evidence of your scientists. You can't reference the theory and what it says at all, look to the world only and show me where you see the theory.
If religion is the basis of all hate, and it's so widespread how do you plan on getting rid of it? Genocide, taking away freedom? Taking away all religions will not make people better; if that's true, show me the perfect man, who has no hate or flaws.
did you ever try to stand and run without legs? well thats like prooving something without science.
And as you may know evolution takes it's time with higher developed creatures (e.g. Mammels, fish,trees, etc.) but you can watch it in bakteria and viruses. Maybe before refusing something as crazytalk, you should inform yourself, wouldnt that be a great idea. And please stop saying "your scientist" because they are individuals and not some priests or something like it.
I asked a atheist friend once if u have no beilife n this world is just so painful curropt and terriable y bother exsisting y not die now...he said self presevation(basically for the human race he ment) if u are the same wouldnt a life after death in heaven be a more self presavation)
certain species exist without a brain. and yet it is able to follow its instinct to survive. such are the jellyfishes. It needs none to tend to it and yet it exists. Does the absence of a brain prove that God doesn't exist? Of course it doesn't. This is in the same context and the same kind of argument that you're giving.
You share the same thoughts of eradication and cleansing like Hitler did with the jews. He also thought the jews were the source of all evil in the world and if they were only gone, the whole world would be a good place...
You're riding the same wave, son ... you only don't realise it.
Hmmm. I'm an atheist. By my reckoning the main, overaching similarity in profiles of atheists is that most haven't been indoctrinated into religion from a young age....
If you take two large groups and, in the first group, indoctrinate the children regularly and strongly that people come from aliens, and in the second group, don't....you'll find the main commonailty among members of the second group will simply be that they don't have strong beliefs that humans came from aliens.
interesting how he selected the most non-representative, and coincedentally atheist models of recent history. how many times must it be recited that stalin was not evil for the cause of atheism. its an enormous misunderstanding. the same applies for many others.
i am atheist and it offends me that this man believes this disgustingly prejudice profile. i am the friend of many people of faith, and i think it would offend THEM that people such as this man advertise this garbage.
You have to deny it continually because it is true.
Stalin was evil because he rejected God and persecuted the Church. He DID use the gulag to punish Orthodox priests and other religious people just for being religious.
He used the power of the state to try to stamp out religion. He DID indoctrinate many to be atheists, but the fact that we are missionaries to the former Soviet Union's Christians speaks of the failure of atheistic totalitarianism.
You are wrong. He punished priests, and religious people because of the fact that their religion was intervening with Stalin's desire for them to absorb his cult of personality.
Therefore, it was for the sake of his cult to be idolized that they were persecuted--NOT because for the sake of atheism. Read what I said over if you don't understand. There IS a distinction. If you study Stalin this fact is clear.
"Atheists want to be worshiped themselves, they are not truly atheists -- because they put themselves in the place of God."
Being that I do not have a belief in a god or any other figure of fantasy, I really can't make myself one can I? You choose to discriminate against a group of very individual people and label them with profiling and ignorant comments. I do not speak for all atheists but I am very tired of having religious nonsense shoved in mine and my families face everywhere I look.
OUR fantasy? You don't know a damned thing about atheists, only what your filth want to believe. We disbelieve in all gods, including your completely fictional one. So what makes you in your tiny christian brain think that we want to become gods ourselves? It's ludicrous, just like your completely fictional religion.
Not believing in your god has nothing to do with knowing everything there is to know. There are many people all over the world who don't believe in your boogie man in the sky. Are you claiming they ALL think they know everything? You're a shithead. But given that you're religious and take things based on stupidity (or faith) rather than Physical Evidence and Reasoned Logic, as many atheists are, that's kind of a given. It's a shame your kind are as burdensome as the aids virus.
I say your god as it is the god you believe in, not like you own him. Just because I'm an atheist does not automatically mean that I claim he doesn't exist. But until he actually shows his omnicidal face in this world I ain't believing in the uncaring fuck.
@jcr4runner Hes not expressing rage at the idea of God. He is expressing rage at who you believe is God. Your God is angry, jealous, and full rage for anyone that doesnt believe in him.
I can demonstrate that the property of "omnipotence" is logically incoherent. In a logical universe no omnipotent thing can exist as a matter of logical fact. Thus any object defined as having such a property is akin to a 4 sided triangle - utterly logically impossible.
I can therefore say with absolute certainty that no omnipotent God exists.
For gods with limited power I agree that we can not absolutely deny their existence. I just think such entities are very inlikely.
By your own argument you can not disbvelieve in them unless you know everything, which you clearly don't so therefore you must believe in blue pixies. In fact the conclusion of your argument is you believe in everything and are unable to disbelieve anything. That being the case I need to inform you that unless you pay me £100 right now the world will end. Come one cough up its a small price to pay! You can't disbelieve me can you?
Blue Pixies are not objects of universally believed transcendent truth. They are imaginary beings. No one believes in Blue Pixies. They are known by everyone -- including primitive people who invented the idea -- to be fantasy. They are not "real."
A Creator God is not a made-up fantasy, but is believed to be a transcendent Being of the ultimate reality.
Ok then substitute blue pixies for Thor or Zeus or Unicorns or the loch ness monster, or grey aliens or any other thing you care to mention.
Your God is not universally believed in, in fact only about a 5th of the worlds population believe in your particular God. So that means that majority of people do not believe in your God. So much being universally believed in.
As for "transcendent truth" that just sounds like a bullshit phrase that theists wheel out when they have no actual argument.
@jcr4runner A few questions for you. Who are you to say that Blue Pixies are imaginary? Why does your god get to be an object of universally believed transcendent truth and blue fairies don't? What are the qualifications to be an object of universally believed transcendent truth. Does Zeus qualify? How about Odin and Thor? What about Ra? Certainly many people believed in these deities at one point. By your definition doesn't that make them as real as your god?
@orion1anon To believe in a transcendent Creator God as an explanation as to how the universe came into being is not irrational. Since nothing cannot create everything, it is logically plausible that a Creator exists.
Existence proves that a Creator exists.
To believe in a Blue Pixie or a god who is not transcendent or all powerful, such as Zeus or Thor, is not relevant to the question. By definition they are not Creator Gods, so they cannot be real unless there is some other evidence.
I see you are using a low level of argumentation here. But let me explain anyway.
We may conceive of a God who fits the description of being both transcendent and all powerful. In fact, such a Creative God by nature would be unseen and unfathomable in many of His attributes.
Blue Pixies are not thought of in this way. It doesn't PROVE they do not exist, but their non-existence requires a different argument altogether.
You are using reducto ad absurdum. It is a poor argument.
@jcr4runner "We may conceive of a God who fits the description of being both transcendent and all powerful." My point is that we can conceive lots of intangible things, but just because we can conceive them does not make them true/real. (e.g. the transcendent and all powerful "insert deity here"-- I happen to have latched on to Blue Pixies in my argument)
"In fact, such a Creative God by nature would be unseen and unfathomable in many of His attributes" How very convenient!
@jcr4runner And yet you have as much verfiable proof for your "transcendent Being of the ultimate reality" as you do for blue pixies. You are cherry picking your truth requirements which is incredibly dishonest.
This is an amazing piece of non sense. Similar psychological profiles? Hmn.. I don't thnk Richard Dawkins fits in here. Nor Sam Harris. Nor Christopher Hitchens. Nor Daniel Dennent.
Nor me. And countless other youtube atheists.
I could mention the Christian Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler, Martin Luther (had people burned at the stake for heresy and was equal to anything said in this clip.)
Was Stalin any worse than Christian Hernando Cortez, conqueror of Mexico?
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians.
I think him & Adolf would have got on just dandily.
Yes I have indeed read that while Luther may not have actually sentenced people himself to the torch, he was most assuredly in high approval of such punishments for heretics. Tho I did read this many years ago and duly wish I could cite the book......I must confess the memory of such book escapes me!
Does it make it any better that he did not actually light the torch himself, or merely approved such punishment?
I don't defend Luther in places where I think he was wrong. Protestants don't wring their hands at the mistakes of the Reformers. The Reformation teaching is the total depravity of man and Christ as our only mediator. We don't look to popes or to Christian heroes as infallible. They can only give us examples where they followed Christ.
Hebrews 11 is full of people who were the worst sinners, but who God justified by their faith. Only in Christianity can bad people be called ""just" by God.
Stalin an Musolinis problem was not too much rational thinking and sceptisism, but dogmatic ideology, wich is quote simelar to religious dogma and ideology.
What this guy is doing with regards to the "atheism syndrom" i would say is the informal logical fallacy of projecting.
That many atheist (rejecters of theism, nothing more) have a simelar psycology i do not doubt very much, most are humanists, rationalists, sceptics, and freethinkers.
Of course, one could also say that the Spanish Inquisition's problem was not religious dogma, but a disregard for the mandates of brotherly love taught by Jesus. Instead they anticipated the irrational murderous insanity of modern atheist tyrants.
The problem with the spanish inquisition was that it went from enforcing dogmatic concistency among its followers to prosecuting apostacy, herecy, "witchcraft" and simelar things. As far as i can tell this was because of spanish monarchs greed for totalitarian power over his people as the head of the church in his country.
I'm really weary of overgeneralization, and attributing dictators and totalitarian leaders violence to atheism (really the answer NO to the question of theism).
(part 2). Dictators and totalitarian leaders (tyrants) have been both theists and atheists, just like you have sadists and psycopaths, as well as humanitarians and philosophers belonging to both groups. Also to mention homosexuals and bisexuals. I think there is reasonable to suspect all these occur in nature, and their faith or lack thereof is not the cause for their behaviour, but may guide how they go about things. What i don't like is lack of independent critical thinking, for both groups.
You note that "great atheists" have "similar psychological profiles." Perhaps it's the potential for greatness, not atheism, that causes the link between their psyches.
Why can't christians just accept that some people just don't want to be brainwashed and just don't fit this mold that probably the majority of americans fit into....it's called critical thinking..lol
Awesome. What a fair portrayal of atheists. The three examples are Stalin, Mussolini, and Margaret Sanger. As if there aren't any normal atheists. LOL @ the mention of Paul Johnson too. Referencing that book disqualifies you off the bat.
So no Christian has ever been promiscuous, depressed, subject to frenetic highs?
And the "conclusion" is that all atheists are the same. So if you are an atheist, you'll want to purge your friends and business associates, killing millions doing so, just like Stalin.
wow we have the same theory - I noticed that atheists have the same or very similar personality traits - I think they suffer mentally that's why they can't break free from their own psychosis. Thank you! Great video!
Hitler was not a Christian. he worshipped the Norse gods and claimed Christ was an Aryan superman, not the Son of God.
This tells me only that are using a partial sampling -- one that only backs up your hypothesis. I noticed you didn't include the societies of atheistic China and the Soviet Union in your examples. The greatest mass murderers of history were all atheists!
The greatest mass murderers of all time were atheists. There have been atheist dictators who executed tens of millions of their own people for dissident views.
The examples you mention here are all either events that biblical Christianity forbade or killings that took place during a just war (such as the Crusades and Old Testament wars).
"The bible says it's alright to murder in these instances, therefore it's alright! But the bible says not to murder in these instances, which is also alright!"
lol.
Sounds like a book written by confused warmongering humans. Not some perfect, unchanging, merciful and just (paradox?) deity.
No. Obviously even without the Bible we know murder is wrong. But is it okay to use deadly force to defend your own life AGAINST someone who would murder you? Is it okay to serve in the armed forces? What about capital punishment.
Written over a period of almost 2000 years, from the time of Moses to Jesus, the Bible consistently answers these questions. The problem is that cynics like to generalize and dismiss the facts rather than taking a thoughtful look.
So what threat were those people who worked on the sabbath and later stoned to death? That is defense? Oh and the Crusades were purely defensive too.. right?
"The problem is that cynics like to generalize and dismiss the facts rather than taking a thoughtful look."
The Crusades were almost purely defensive. The Arabs and Turks first invaded Christian Europe. It is true that over the centuries that Europeans committed war atrocities, but it's from the Bible we know that rape and pillaging during war is a crime.
Sabbath breaking and idolatry were singled out by God himself capital crimes.
If God gave it it is just. No excuses need to be made.
Our disagreement isn't over the punishment itself as much as the source of authority, that is, whether God himself gave the commandment.
For instance, a barbarian might make the argument that rape in warfare should be legal and say that the Bible's punishment for rape is invalid. Here again, the disagreement has to do with the source of authority.
No, dumb is following a god who makes laws, doesn't go by his own laws, then expect his followers to obey them. The point is, if god exists he is evil by his own definitions of evil.
ORIGINS OF GOD(s): 600,000 years ago when man became aware that he was more intelligent than the animals he was hunting. He created a God to explain things he did not understand. When migration took man to all parts of the Earth, each branch created their own God(s) That's why you have so many different ones to this day! To put it more simply: IMAGINATION CREATED GOD(s)
Ironically you have used your IMAGINATION to describe how and when gods came into existence.
First, no anthropologists has homo sapiens 600,000 years ago, more like 70,000.
Second, there are no record of religion from this time -- no archaeological artifacts that bear it out.
The oldest evidence we have of religious worship is 5000 to 6000 years old. So the evidence bears out a recent emergence of religion -- not half a million years ago.
jcr4runner-- 600,000 years ago that's when scientists believe the branch that made us began. Early man didn't have thoughts of "civilzation" he was too busy hunting food and not being eaten by the animals he was hunting and breeding. :)
The span of secular human history goes back about 5000 years.
The Bible's history goes back over 6000 years.
If we had a history that was older than that, it would refute the Bible. But we don't.
To say that human beings invented gods in 600,000 BC is without any record or any proof. It's only in your imagination that such a statement can be made.
Well, not exactly. In China also, written history does not go back much further than about 4,700 years.
However, on the Huang Loess Plateau, the cradle of Chinese civilization, is the settlement site of Banpo, near Xian, some have estimated it to be over 6,000 years old. But there is no written history to confirm that.
jcr4runner-- So the bible pre-dates the chinese by a thousand years. Wow. Having that in mind, What about god(s) that existed before the written word? :)
PS: You would think a skilled negotiator like Moses, would have come up with a better story. Good thing he was teaching those fables to Hewbrew slaves that were half crazed from malnutrition and a hundred plus years being mentally torn down by slavery. lol :)
The HISTORY of the Bible predates Chinese history.
It's moot whether people worshiped false gods prior to Moses. Biblical testimony has polytheism as a secondary perversion of the truth revealed prior to that time.
"Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things" (Romans 1:22,23).
Hebrews being slaves of Egyptians is a cultural myth, as is Moses. Jew mythologies are held to as fact to justify their politics & bullshit to this day. It's sad western ideals were swept aside for superstitions & GEnociDAL MINSET OF sEMEtic philosophy...
How could they be at war witha nation that didn't exist yet?All cultural myths attempt to set themselves apart from everyone else. Hebrews (Egyptians who held a 1 god belief)derived their religion from an Egyptian heresy established by Akhenaten.There is no Egyptian record of an Exodus. There's a very simple reason for that. It didn't happen."Solid evidence",?"set in stone"?from a Christian?Are you serious?Leave the"solid evidence thing" to scholars>You stick with imaginary friends & fairy tales
Archaeologists have discovered the Stele of Mernptah that contains the following inscription:
Israel is wasted, bare of seed,
Khor is become a widow for Egypt.
All who roamed have been subdued
By the King of Upper and Lower Egypt.
Rameses II, is considered to be a pharaoh with whom Moses squabbled - either the 'Pharaoh of the Exodus' himself, or the preceding 'Pharaoh of the Oppression' who is said to have commissioned the Hebrews to "(build) for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses."
These cities are known to have been built under both Seti I and Rameses II, possibly making his successor Merneptah 'Pharaoh of the Exodus.'
This is considered plausible by those who view the famed stele of Merneptah's 5th year (ca. 1208 BC), claiming that 'Israel is wasted, bare of seed,' as propaganda covering up his own loss of an army (or of his predecessors) in the sea.
We make our own laws and we decide what is moral, and it is forever changing. If mankind decides to redifine murder then he will do so and there is no god or primitve religion to stop him.
Of course they are immoral, but no more so than god, I really can't tell the difference between Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or God. Hitler and God have much in common, they are genocidal, megalomaniacal, homophobic, and sadomasochistic.
I feel nothing but pitty for you my friend, you have been properly brainwashed. Step out of the darkages and into the light. Your god was created by primitive people trying to scare and control other primitive people.
Um, ok you do realize the bible does condem homosexuals and apparently slavery is ok with god also, but we have decided god is wrong with these issues. You seem to think you know what an atheist thinks you are wrong in suggesting survival of the fittest is the natural order, survival of the species is.
The point I have been trying to make is simply this, there is no god, we have decided what is right and wrong all along.
Yes, the Bible condemns all forms of sin and God is just to punish sin. Indentured servitude is permitted, but chattel slavery and kidnapping is condemned. Human beings are commanded to respect life and to protect judicially innocent life.
"""Hence the policies of Nazis, Stalin, Pol Pot?""" No, hence a world without a god> You worship something that would allow this shit?It was secular western values, vitues, & ideals that took those animals to task. Not fathers who are their sons (& vice versa)& holy ghosts. Besides, Nazis are atheists? I think not.
So anyone who doesn't worship the Christian god is an atheist? What you seem to be referring to is not atheists but instead non-christians. With China the majority are actually Buddhist, and with Russia Communism took the role of religion.
In addition, you seem to be omitting many other atheists, such as Douglas Adams, Warren Buffett, Sean Penn and Uma Thurman who have actually contributed to humanitarian and environmentalist efforts. Finally, if you want to make a video, use fact, not fiction.
I don't think it matters what, if any thing, Stalin believed. He was a mass murderer. That does not describe every atheist. There are atheists who are not only charitable, reasonable people, but also think that Jesus actually existed. What about them?
The more 'libertarian' an atheist is, the less hatred against religion that person tends to have.
Not every atheist thinks the same way, or has the same opinions that other atheists do. Not every atheist hates religion or religious people.
and all the rest of us "not-so-great" or "mediocre" atheists remain unaccounted for? I also like how manic-depression and sexual deviancy is associated, a not so subtle appeal to morality. Clearly morality and religion are dependent on each other, which is why all atheists run around pillaging and raping and murdering. . . . . oh wait, I think I found a flaw . . .
So, "The Atheist Syndrome" was suppressed? Using freudian psychology, it appears that this person is buying into a potential conspiracy theory and suffers from something of a persecution complex.
I'll agree that many of the big dictators had similar personality traits. They all used personality cults and were primarily atheist simply because they could envision no greater being than themselves. They weren't really atheist, they believed themselves to be gods.
Intersting theory, but also consider that apart from Mussolini, atheist dictators tend to be communists, considering that they find this system to be one of the most efficient ways of controlling people. Since irreligion is built into the system, they naturally must appear to be atheistic to maintain credibility.
Consider this, can our cells talk to us, can those cells talk to the atoms which compose them, can those atoms talk to the sub-atomic particles which compose them? It works the other way too, meaning, YOU CANNOT TALK TO GOD & IT CANNOT TALK TO YOU! In all likelihood our existence is probably comparable to cancer for god. Whether or not you realize it yet, there will come a time where we either are destroyed by this god or we destroy it, I can only hope its the latter.
Has anybody ever responded to you before? Hmmm. I wonder why not.
The thing is we can communicate, cells can't, not with themselves, not with other cells, not with anything bigger or smaller. Atoms can't communicate. subatomic particles can't. What is stopping God from communicating with all of us, all the time? So apart from the fact that it's total bollocks I have to say that's an interesting theory you have. Don't quit the day job, I don't think you'll make it as a freelance theologist.
Actually, your life right now is pathetic and wasted. When Jesus gets hold of you it will become vibrant and exciting. That's what I've seen in everyone God has changed.
I appear to have athiest syndrome, the one were you like to be free of a non existant blight of people trying futily to put a meaning to existance when in reality should not be worshipping for the sake of it, but enjoying life.
I have athiest syndrome, At least its not creationist Racist bullshit out the mouth syndrome like yourself
Sorry sir - He believed in Jesus christ - you want to ignore facts go ahead.
The daily life of a Nazi (National Socialist) where still CONFESSING CATHOLICS.
Not one SS member was ever ex-communicated - Now you may say the Catholic church was being un-chrisitan fine... still doesn't get your any close to your point.
Dr. Reinholdt Krause ... proposed the abandonment of the Old Testament, with its tales of cattle merchants and pimps and the revision of the New Testament with the teaching of Jesus corresponding entirely with the demands of National Socialism. Resolutions were drawn up demanding One People, One Reich, One Faith, requiring all pastors to take an oath of allegiance to Hitler and insisting that all churches institute the Aryan paragraph and exclude converted Jews.
Not many Germans lost much sleep over the arrests of a few thousand pastors and priests or over the quarreling of Protestant sects. Under Rosenberg, Borman and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said in 1941, National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.
Hitler believed Jesus was an Aryan god, but he didn't believe in the teachings of historic Christianity, in fact, he tried to do away entirely with Christian orthodoxy and morality.
In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer describes Hitler's religion.
On July 25 [1933], the German government promulgated a sterilization law, which particularly offended the Catholic Church. Five days later the first steps were taken to dissolve the Catholic Youth League. During the next years, thousands of Catholic priests, nuns and lay leaders were arrested, many of them on trumped up charges of immorality or of smuggling foreign currency.
Ok - what about all the slaughters of the Amalakites?
This isn't a contest - i don't care which side has more deaths on it, it doesn't detract from the fact that Religion influenced holy wars - secular dictatorships are based in greed ( Which by the way is much easier to find people to fight )
Mention Religion and all kinds of messed up base-instinct emotions and reactions happen.
The Amelakites practiced child sacrifice as part of their religion. So God ordered their destruction. I have no problem with that anymore than I have a problem with killing Saddam or Hitler.
Sooo kill all their babies too? Take their virgins for yourselves? All the livestock wtf did any of those animals do to piss god off ( apparently they have no soul )
Anyway keep thinking of things to justify insane and shallow ideas.
I mean seriously - have you seen anything in this day in the age to make you believe thats true?
Oh dont mention israel because the crusaders thought they were bringing back Jesus too - look how they ended up :P
The commandment was to kill everyone and the reasoning was that any came of age, they would be "pricks in your eyes and thorns in your sides."
Israel actually disobeyed and later the pagan people living among them led them into the practice of child sacrifice and other abominations. Then Israel was wiped out forever and Judah was taken captive for 70 years.
I don't fully understand the commandment about killing the livestock. It may have been a symbolic action -- but some have thought that since they often sacrificed to pagan gods and even practiced bestialism in rituals, it was considered unclean to eat these animals.
It may too have been that these animals carried diseases due to poor husbandry practices.
If God chooses to execute vengeance on an entire nation, then He is holy God and can do that righteously.
We are all born as sinners and worthy of death.
Modern theology and humanism says that people are born with a clean moral slate. But scripture tells us that we are born enemies of God.
Only God's grace can justify us. A cruel murderer is a worse sinner than a new born baby, but a baby is still guilty and worthy of death unless he is one of God's elect.
The SCRIPTURAL reason for Israel putting ALL to death is that even the children -- not being part of God's elect -- would eventually grow up and lead Israel into idolatry and the abomination of child sacrifice.
Moses prophesied that Israel would NOT obey and they WOULD BE led into idolatry and WOULD BE destroyed by God -- and this is exactly what happened -- only the southern tribes in Judah were saved.
Only if you believe in God's sovereignty and predestination does this make sense.
I find that most extremist Christians fit a narrow psychological profile, or fundamentalist proponents of any cause whether it religious or not.
jordanthurlow 1 year ago 3
So the only way to get out of this "psychosis" is to go deeper into faith.....i.e deeper into psycosis?!? LOL! Whether strong atheist or religious fanatic, if they r close minded and refuse to discuss their "beliefs" especially with opposing views, they can go off the deep end which is why we ALL must lean toward religious tolerance. Sadly, I don't think most religious folks can do this.
julzabro 1 year ago
Ok, two guys wrote a book and became christians. How many people became an atheist because they read the bible? Millions?
shanew7777777 1 year ago 7
"rabid atheists"? A strange expression when you compare recent theist extremists and (?) "radical atheists" as named by FoxNews et al.
okuradani 1 year ago
Fiction book? whatever! I wouldn't waist my time trying to prove anything to a closed minded person that cannot see beyond there own self centered world. Atheism is the religion of the Anti-Christ that will grow and fester and cover the earth only to be destroyed by Jesus Christ.
ravish4real 1 year ago
This clip is the biggest crock of shit I've seen yet on YouTube. It's a condescending ad-hominem attack with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support it. Atheists have ranged from personalities as diverse as Carl Sagan, Ben Franklin, Frank Lloyd-Wright, Thomas Paine, Ayn Rand, Kurt Vonnegut, Arthur C Clarke, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson and Natalie Portman. Yet this moron tries to clump us all in with Hitler and Mussolini and they weren't even atheist, they were Roman-Catholic!
DandAinTac 1 year ago 3
Don't be fooled.... This guy IS NOT STUPID. Oh, well, he IS stupid, but not when building his case. He is stupid AND dangerous. That's what I meant. Look at how he takes the viewers and deceives them all. This denotes planning, for sure. Slowly but surely, you (the viewer) are led to accept almost unconsciously that "atheists" are PSYCHOPATHS, and MURDERERS (Mussolini? Really?). Watch closely at 2:24 how he transitions from using words like "atheism", to "psychologycal profile" to "psychosis."
nicoterradas 1 year ago
I had a vision of a blue pixie, it told me to kill my son ... lol
musicalgenius1234 1 year ago
haha lmfao. what is it with religious idiots that are too weak to defend their nonsense on youtube. to date, the only times that I have ever encountered comment censoring on youtube is when it is posted by some religious moron such as yourself. I was going to be nice, but since you are the only one reading this. Go fuck yourself. If you want to start a dialog in the public sphere, be prepared for people to point out how foolish you are being to the rest of the viewers.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
yes it is true, some people are incapable of rational thought; some start out atheists and become Christians, some Christians become atheists. Some even write books. It really doesn't matter. It makes no difference in the rational behind believing in something for which we have no evidence for
KIINZEY 1 year ago
If I believe that blue pixies are creator gods will that suffice as an equally valid argument or does it have to be believed on-mass in order to be true? If so what are the rules?
If it is logically plausible that a creator must first exist - who created the creator? Or is this creator (who I assume doesn't apply to this rule) a way out of an infinite regress you have created? What stops the logic of "I believe in a God that created your creator God?" ad infinitum?
skyjen 1 year ago
I find this hard to believe that an educated, research oriented, knowledgeable atheist, would just take an irrational change that would make him ignore his knowledge & experience, to accept what he's discovered to be delusion!
I know the atheists I know don't fit that "insane" class he's described here.
I really wonder, especially in the way this guy presented his case, just how much is made up! i tend to believe all of this was. For 1 thing, what they classify as atheists, is nothing like us!.
Cootabux 1 year ago
Many Christian apologists, like those at the Christian Research Institute, have rejected the all this as nonsense.
YOURINQUIRER 1 year ago
That is totally ignorant, I wonder if this guy even realized Mussoulini was not an atheist. So does that mean all religous people are deluded and crazy, becuase many claim god told them to do this and claim to see signs which are hallucinations. I'm an atheist, and most of the time I'm neutral, I'm neither sad, nor happy, and experience a full range of emotions based on what I do and and what happens to me. I assume most people of faith have high dopamine levels becuase there always happy.
slicingwater 1 year ago
Paul Syndrome? Epilepsy?
And I beleive in blue pixies. I think blue pixies created everything, that's why the universe's physical constants are so fine tuned for life.
jacobromu 1 year ago
Ohh noes, all atheists are sick individuals. Because everyone knows that stereotyping your opponent as mentally unstable means that you don't have to take anything of their well thought out criticisms of religion, just pray that they will get the help the so desperately need before they go on a bloody massacre.
piprod01 1 year ago
Demonizing whole categories of people smells like Hitlers tactics.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Oh my god, this is hilarious. Promiscuity, the occult, etc? & Mussoulini...?
Yeah, that doesn't fit really any atheists I've known... This is just, frankly, dishonest, and extremely arrogant.
atheistworstenemy 1 year ago
1:28 rabid atheists.lol
TheLunarmonkey 1 year ago
you guys are faggots.
darkpojox 2 years ago
Being shredded over at atheist network
rob18767 2 years ago
Wow, just wow, I really hope the people making this video don't actually think this is going to convince anyone except the people who already believe in fairy tails. Wait, scratch that, most of them wouldn't even be stupid enough to believe this.
skulllord125 2 years ago
Why not put together the profile of a suicide bomber & those that sanction it ??? That may be a little uncomfy , huh ???
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago
Freudian psych ??? Is he serious ... These people aren't out to change peoples minds with reason & , logical thought... They're feeding the gullible & the ignorant half-cooked psuedo-psycho bullshit ... Their ideas are dead in the water ...
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago
i'm really loosing hope on human reason and beginning to think, that many religious people are mentally sick. Well you should try something more subtle than this feeble attempt to rationalize your crazytalk with some bookshelfs! And please stop always repeating the same evil atheist-man and forgetting the thousands of religious men that had killig billions of people over the last 2 or 3 thounsan of years....its too easy dont you think?
bobinska 2 years ago 2
You say the big bang theory says that something else was preexisting that created the material universe and you call religious people crazy.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
saying someone is mentally ill is just sooooo much easier to do than use that pesky science and evidence to back up my claims. thank god im an athiest
moreopiumplz 2 years ago
Athiests? You can talk big now, but if you don't change you'd be in hell for eternity by your own choice. Why drag others?
usrss 2 years ago
Atheism makes sense christianity doesnt. Give me proof Heaven or Hell exists. And dont use your fiction book. I grew up in a christian/ catholic home, people its basically the same thing, Religion is the basis of all the hate in the world. So join me in boycotting religion. Once religion is truly gone shall we have a peaceful planet.
Scarfaceisnumba1 2 years ago 21
Atheism: "Everything was created from nothing by nothing."
Yes, that makes perfect sense.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Here is the question posted to Christians where did God come from, and don't give the same boring answer, "He was always here." Because that makes no sense. Also, I studied the bible for many years, as a Christian and the reason I don't believe anymore is because of the many contradictions. I'm not saying there is no god, just that "his" word is flawed.
vdeleon1 2 years ago
Ever thought that our universe might have always been there? It doesn't need to have been created from nothing, it doesn't even need to have been created. Is that a bit to weird for you to comprehend?
And by the way.. is the lunatic in this video saying that I am like Stalin in every way just because both he and I was and are atheists?
LaxorSharkLikeFlaw 2 years ago
I have thought of that, but I know from the laws of physics that in the beginning, the universe is total energy and at the end it is total entropy. The universe could not have existed in space-time prior to the point when it was total energy. The universe could not have been frozen in a state of total energy for very long. All matter and energy is movement and all movement converts energy into entropy.
That is why most physicists believe in the big bang theory.
But where did this come from?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
And where did god come from? don't you laugh about a question science cannot yet answer and in the same time believe that god always existed, being created out of nothing by himself, before he had a "Himself" to create himself. Science at least doesn't fear to answer it, and when it does answer, it will be with some prove.
bobinska 2 years ago
"God" is defined as the only eternal Being.
Matter and energy CANNOT be eternal according to the PROVEN laws of physics. So logically something had to create the natural universe.
A logical solution to this problem is that something SUPERNATURAL created the natural universe.
Granted, this does not PROVE God, but it is a logical position where you have no answers to counter this position.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
its not from nothing. maybe you should realy READ the bigbang theorie, or try to understand it. i think even you can. and as for evolution: you see evolution every year and every day, bakteria changing its genom, viruses getting resistent (thats why you have to reinoculate)... that are things that dont happen because some spirit told them to. in higher developed creatures, that change takes more time, because one individual does life longer and does not propagate so fast and often.
bobinska 2 years ago 2
Alright then; give me proof of the theory of evolution and the Big Bang theory without the evidence of your scientists. You can't reference the theory and what it says at all, look to the world only and show me where you see the theory.
If religion is the basis of all hate, and it's so widespread how do you plan on getting rid of it? Genocide, taking away freedom? Taking away all religions will not make people better; if that's true, show me the perfect man, who has no hate or flaws.
Sickopath333 2 years ago
Cool beans.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
did you ever try to stand and run without legs? well thats like prooving something without science.
And as you may know evolution takes it's time with higher developed creatures (e.g. Mammels, fish,trees, etc.) but you can watch it in bakteria and viruses. Maybe before refusing something as crazytalk, you should inform yourself, wouldnt that be a great idea. And please stop saying "your scientist" because they are individuals and not some priests or something like it.
bobinska 2 years ago
We can't prove something without science?
How then did the scientific method come about in the first place?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
through reason.
mushu144 2 years ago
So reason must have existed prior to science?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Nature existed prior to science.
The will to learn more gave birth to reason and science.
Reason being the tool the one to establish and justify the scientific method.
Science and the scientific method are two different things.
mushu144 2 years ago
I asked a atheist friend once if u have no beilife n this world is just so painful curropt and terriable y bother exsisting y not die now...he said self presevation(basically for the human race he ment) if u are the same wouldnt a life after death in heaven be a more self presavation)
MyThoughtsfromMrward 2 years ago
Wow !!! Now their lying about "athiest friends" ... It's a bad fake because athiests have coherant thoughts ...
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago
certain species exist without a brain. and yet it is able to follow its instinct to survive. such are the jellyfishes. It needs none to tend to it and yet it exists. Does the absence of a brain prove that God doesn't exist? Of course it doesn't. This is in the same context and the same kind of argument that you're giving.
mushu144 2 years ago
@Scarfaceisnumba1
You share the same thoughts of eradication and cleansing like Hitler did with the jews. He also thought the jews were the source of all evil in the world and if they were only gone, the whole world would be a good place...
You're riding the same wave, son ... you only don't realise it.
sooperfukker 1 year ago
i am so vehemently anti-christian i almost sympathize with Stalin for promoting atheism and anti-christian sentiment
Jarut195 2 years ago
I'm an atheist and I know that that is a horrible thing to say. Stalin was evil.
TatersChoice 2 years ago
Hmmm. I'm an atheist. By my reckoning the main, overaching similarity in profiles of atheists is that most haven't been indoctrinated into religion from a young age....
If you take two large groups and, in the first group, indoctrinate the children regularly and strongly that people come from aliens, and in the second group, don't....you'll find the main commonailty among members of the second group will simply be that they don't have strong beliefs that humans came from aliens.
GetMeThere1 2 years ago
interesting how he selected the most non-representative, and coincedentally atheist models of recent history. how many times must it be recited that stalin was not evil for the cause of atheism. its an enormous misunderstanding. the same applies for many others.
i am atheist and it offends me that this man believes this disgustingly prejudice profile. i am the friend of many people of faith, and i think it would offend THEM that people such as this man advertise this garbage.
blah148 2 years ago
I don't know.
You have to deny it continually because it is true.
Stalin was evil because he rejected God and persecuted the Church. He DID use the gulag to punish Orthodox priests and other religious people just for being religious.
He used the power of the state to try to stamp out religion. He DID indoctrinate many to be atheists, but the fact that we are missionaries to the former Soviet Union's Christians speaks of the failure of atheistic totalitarianism.
That's a historical fact.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
You are wrong. He punished priests, and religious people because of the fact that their religion was intervening with Stalin's desire for them to absorb his cult of personality.
Therefore, it was for the sake of his cult to be idolized that they were persecuted--NOT because for the sake of atheism. Read what I said over if you don't understand. There IS a distinction. If you study Stalin this fact is clear.
blah148 2 years ago
I agree.
Atheists want to be worshiped themselves, they are not truly atheists -- because they put themselves in the place of God.
They are theocrats in that they put their law in the place of God's law.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
"Atheists want to be worshiped themselves, they are not truly atheists -- because they put themselves in the place of God."
Being that I do not have a belief in a god or any other figure of fantasy, I really can't make myself one can I? You choose to discriminate against a group of very individual people and label them with profiling and ignorant comments. I do not speak for all atheists but I am very tired of having religious nonsense shoved in mine and my families face everywhere I look.
MirthfulAcumen 2 years ago
There is no neutrality. You deny God. You make yourself a god and shove YOUR fantasy down our throats.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
OUR fantasy? You don't know a damned thing about atheists, only what your filth want to believe. We disbelieve in all gods, including your completely fictional one. So what makes you in your tiny christian brain think that we want to become gods ourselves? It's ludicrous, just like your completely fictional religion.
pyrix 2 years ago
To disbelieve in God, you would have to know everything there is to know.
In claiming to know everything, you claim knowledge that only an omniscient being can have.
To believe oneself to be a like God is to live in a fantasy world.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Not believing in your god has nothing to do with knowing everything there is to know. There are many people all over the world who don't believe in your boogie man in the sky. Are you claiming they ALL think they know everything? You're a shithead. But given that you're religious and take things based on stupidity (or faith) rather than Physical Evidence and Reasoned Logic, as many atheists are, that's kind of a given. It's a shame your kind are as burdensome as the aids virus.
pyrix 2 years ago
For the moment, forget about "your god" -- He is not "my god" -- He doesn't belong to me.
Think logically for a moment.
Let's say "God" is an eternal omnipotent Being.
If your knowledge is limited, then this God COULD exist somewhere in the universe outside the limits of your knowledge.
Stating certainly that there is no eternal omnipotent Being in the universe is saying you know all there is to know in the universe.
If you state He does not exist, you claim to have unlimited knowledge.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
I say your god as it is the god you believe in, not like you own him. Just because I'm an atheist does not automatically mean that I claim he doesn't exist. But until he actually shows his omnicidal face in this world I ain't believing in the uncaring fuck.
pyrix 2 years ago
While you are in the midst of making your argument, you express rage at the very idea of God and you claim you don't deny He exists.
I am skeptical of your atheism.
I think you are a convicted unbeliever.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
@jcr4runner Hes not expressing rage at the idea of God. He is expressing rage at who you believe is God. Your God is angry, jealous, and full rage for anyone that doesnt believe in him.
hargabyte 1 year ago
same goes if you say he does... its absolute knowledge, wich is not practical since no-one has absoluto knowledge about anything.
Zuurkool1 2 years ago
@jcr4runner
I can demonstrate that the property of "omnipotence" is logically incoherent. In a logical universe no omnipotent thing can exist as a matter of logical fact. Thus any object defined as having such a property is akin to a 4 sided triangle - utterly logically impossible.
I can therefore say with absolute certainty that no omnipotent God exists.
For gods with limited power I agree that we can not absolutely deny their existence. I just think such entities are very inlikely.
evilreligion 1 year ago
@jc4runner: Can i take you permission to download this video and post it in my christian community group on facebook?
chrisdusn 1 year ago
and what is it that you do when you disbelieve all the other gods out there
Zuurkool1 2 years ago
@jcr4runner
Really? So you believe in blue pixies do you?
By your own argument you can not disbvelieve in them unless you know everything, which you clearly don't so therefore you must believe in blue pixies. In fact the conclusion of your argument is you believe in everything and are unable to disbelieve anything. That being the case I need to inform you that unless you pay me £100 right now the world will end. Come one cough up its a small price to pay! You can't disbelieve me can you?
evilreligion 1 year ago
Blue Pixies are not objects of universally believed transcendent truth. They are imaginary beings. No one believes in Blue Pixies. They are known by everyone -- including primitive people who invented the idea -- to be fantasy. They are not "real."
A Creator God is not a made-up fantasy, but is believed to be a transcendent Being of the ultimate reality.
jcr4runner 1 year ago
Ok then substitute blue pixies for Thor or Zeus or Unicorns or the loch ness monster, or grey aliens or any other thing you care to mention.
Your God is not universally believed in, in fact only about a 5th of the worlds population believe in your particular God. So that means that majority of people do not believe in your God. So much being universally believed in.
As for "transcendent truth" that just sounds like a bullshit phrase that theists wheel out when they have no actual argument.
evilreligion 1 year ago
@jcr4runner Universally believed transcendent truth?
Sorry, but a "creator god" is almost solely a western concept. It's FAR from universal.
atheistworstenemy 1 year ago
@jcr4runner A few questions for you. Who are you to say that Blue Pixies are imaginary? Why does your god get to be an object of universally believed transcendent truth and blue fairies don't? What are the qualifications to be an object of universally believed transcendent truth. Does Zeus qualify? How about Odin and Thor? What about Ra? Certainly many people believed in these deities at one point. By your definition doesn't that make them as real as your god?
orion1anon 1 year ago
@orion1anon To believe in a transcendent Creator God as an explanation as to how the universe came into being is not irrational. Since nothing cannot create everything, it is logically plausible that a Creator exists.
Existence proves that a Creator exists.
To believe in a Blue Pixie or a god who is not transcendent or all powerful, such as Zeus or Thor, is not relevant to the question. By definition they are not Creator Gods, so they cannot be real unless there is some other evidence.
jcr4runner 1 year ago
@jcr4runner Blue Pixies are in fact transcendent and all powerful beings, prove to me that they are not.
orion1anon 1 year ago
@orion1anon
I see you are using a low level of argumentation here. But let me explain anyway.
We may conceive of a God who fits the description of being both transcendent and all powerful. In fact, such a Creative God by nature would be unseen and unfathomable in many of His attributes.
Blue Pixies are not thought of in this way. It doesn't PROVE they do not exist, but their non-existence requires a different argument altogether.
You are using reducto ad absurdum. It is a poor argument.
jcr4runner 1 year ago
@jcr4runner "We may conceive of a God who fits the description of being both transcendent and all powerful." My point is that we can conceive lots of intangible things, but just because we can conceive them does not make them true/real. (e.g. the transcendent and all powerful "insert deity here"-- I happen to have latched on to Blue Pixies in my argument)
"In fact, such a Creative God by nature would be unseen and unfathomable in many of His attributes" How very convenient!
orion1anon 1 year ago
@jcr4runner And yet you have as much verfiable proof for your "transcendent Being of the ultimate reality" as you do for blue pixies. You are cherry picking your truth requirements which is incredibly dishonest.
captwasabi 1 year ago
This is an amazing piece of non sense. Similar psychological profiles? Hmn.. I don't thnk Richard Dawkins fits in here. Nor Sam Harris. Nor Christopher Hitchens. Nor Daniel Dennent.
Nor me. And countless other youtube atheists.
I could mention the Christian Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler, Martin Luther (had people burned at the stake for heresy and was equal to anything said in this clip.)
Was Stalin any worse than Christian Hernando Cortez, conqueror of Mexico?
Very selective reasoning!
HisTruthbeUNKOWN 2 years ago
Martin Luther did not have people burned at the stake for heresy.
Hitler's religion was neo-paganism into which he mixed some Christian symbolism. He wanted to abolish the Old Testament because it was Jewish.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Martin Luther on the Jews:
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians.
I think him & Adolf would have got on just dandily.
Yep, true Christian love.
HisTruthbeUNKOWN 2 years ago
You wrote that Luther had people burned at the stake for heresy. He did not.
This quotation is from "On the Jews and their Lies" Luther was wildly inconsistent on some things.
n his 1523 essay "That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew," Luther condemned the inhuman treatment of the Jews and urged Christians to treat them kindly.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Yes I have indeed read that while Luther may not have actually sentenced people himself to the torch, he was most assuredly in high approval of such punishments for heretics. Tho I did read this many years ago and duly wish I could cite the book......I must confess the memory of such book escapes me!
Does it make it any better that he did not actually light the torch himself, or merely approved such punishment?
HisTruthbeUNKOWN 2 years ago
I don't defend Luther in places where I think he was wrong. Protestants don't wring their hands at the mistakes of the Reformers. The Reformation teaching is the total depravity of man and Christ as our only mediator. We don't look to popes or to Christian heroes as infallible. They can only give us examples where they followed Christ.
Hebrews 11 is full of people who were the worst sinners, but who God justified by their faith. Only in Christianity can bad people be called ""just" by God.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Stalin an Musolinis problem was not too much rational thinking and sceptisism, but dogmatic ideology, wich is quote simelar to religious dogma and ideology.
What this guy is doing with regards to the "atheism syndrom" i would say is the informal logical fallacy of projecting.
That many atheist (rejecters of theism, nothing more) have a simelar psycology i do not doubt very much, most are humanists, rationalists, sceptics, and freethinkers.
gulllars 2 years ago
I like the way you turned that one around.
Of course, one could also say that the Spanish Inquisition's problem was not religious dogma, but a disregard for the mandates of brotherly love taught by Jesus. Instead they anticipated the irrational murderous insanity of modern atheist tyrants.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
The problem with the spanish inquisition was that it went from enforcing dogmatic concistency among its followers to prosecuting apostacy, herecy, "witchcraft" and simelar things. As far as i can tell this was because of spanish monarchs greed for totalitarian power over his people as the head of the church in his country.
I'm really weary of overgeneralization, and attributing dictators and totalitarian leaders violence to atheism (really the answer NO to the question of theism).
gulllars 2 years ago
(part 2). Dictators and totalitarian leaders (tyrants) have been both theists and atheists, just like you have sadists and psycopaths, as well as humanitarians and philosophers belonging to both groups. Also to mention homosexuals and bisexuals. I think there is reasonable to suspect all these occur in nature, and their faith or lack thereof is not the cause for their behaviour, but may guide how they go about things. What i don't like is lack of independent critical thinking, for both groups.
gulllars 2 years ago
You note that "great atheists" have "similar psychological profiles." Perhaps it's the potential for greatness, not atheism, that causes the link between their psyches.
greeneified 2 years ago
Why can't christians just accept that some people just don't want to be brainwashed and just don't fit this mold that probably the majority of americans fit into....it's called critical thinking..lol
123Larra 2 years ago
Awesome. What a fair portrayal of atheists. The three examples are Stalin, Mussolini, and Margaret Sanger. As if there aren't any normal atheists. LOL @ the mention of Paul Johnson too. Referencing that book disqualifies you off the bat.
PublickStews 2 years ago
"rabid Atheists" Roll eyes.
So no Christian has ever been promiscuous, depressed, subject to frenetic highs?
And the "conclusion" is that all atheists are the same. So if you are an atheist, you'll want to purge your friends and business associates, killing millions doing so, just like Stalin.
QuisletEsq 2 years ago
Freuds ideas have been discredited. Koster's book was never suppressed. No body read it because his ideas were embarassingly out dated.
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago 9
I didn't understand what he meant when he said the book was suppressed. I'll ask George to explain that.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
none of his profile applies to me :(
not even hardworking
earfetish 2 years ago
wow we have the same theory - I noticed that atheists have the same or very similar personality traits - I think they suffer mentally that's why they can't break free from their own psychosis. Thank you! Great video!
availabillity1 2 years ago
Stalin might have been an Atheist, but Hitler was a Christian.
Two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religion is about 1/10 of 1%
During 10 years in Sing-Sing executed prisoners were 65% Catholics and less than 1/3 of 1% atheist.
In Joliet, there were 2,888 Catholics 0 atheist.
Surveyed Massachusetts reformatories found every inmate religious.
I could go on like this for a while.
What does this tell you about claims that religion is the guardian of morals?
carrotsan 2 years ago 2
Hitler was not a Christian. he worshipped the Norse gods and claimed Christ was an Aryan superman, not the Son of God.
This tells me only that are using a partial sampling -- one that only backs up your hypothesis. I noticed you didn't include the societies of atheistic China and the Soviet Union in your examples. The greatest mass murderers of history were all atheists!
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Crusades, Inquisition, colonial conquests, African slave trade, even 9/11. How about the Old Testament?
fentruck 2 years ago
The greatest mass murderers of all time were atheists. There have been atheist dictators who executed tens of millions of their own people for dissident views.
The examples you mention here are all either events that biblical Christianity forbade or killings that took place during a just war (such as the Crusades and Old Testament wars).
jcr4runner 2 years ago
"The bible says it's alright to murder in these instances, therefore it's alright! But the bible says not to murder in these instances, which is also alright!"
lol.
Sounds like a book written by confused warmongering humans. Not some perfect, unchanging, merciful and just (paradox?) deity.
fentruck 2 years ago
No. Obviously even without the Bible we know murder is wrong. But is it okay to use deadly force to defend your own life AGAINST someone who would murder you? Is it okay to serve in the armed forces? What about capital punishment.
Written over a period of almost 2000 years, from the time of Moses to Jesus, the Bible consistently answers these questions. The problem is that cynics like to generalize and dismiss the facts rather than taking a thoughtful look.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
So what threat were those people who worked on the sabbath and later stoned to death? That is defense? Oh and the Crusades were purely defensive too.. right?
"The problem is that cynics like to generalize and dismiss the facts rather than taking a thoughtful look."
What's up kettle?
fentruck 2 years ago
The Crusades were almost purely defensive. The Arabs and Turks first invaded Christian Europe. It is true that over the centuries that Europeans committed war atrocities, but it's from the Bible we know that rape and pillaging during war is a crime.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Sabbath breaking and idolatry were singled out by God himself capital crimes.
If God gave it it is just. No excuses need to be made.
Our disagreement isn't over the punishment itself as much as the source of authority, that is, whether God himself gave the commandment.
For instance, a barbarian might make the argument that rape in warfare should be legal and say that the Bible's punishment for rape is invalid. Here again, the disagreement has to do with the source of authority.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
"If God gave it it is just. No excuses need to be made."
zero depth to this moral argument. If your moral compass comes entirely from this, you're missing out a lot.
earfetish 2 years ago
"The greatest mass murderers of all time were atheists". Funny, I thought god was the greatest mass murderer of all time.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago 2
Only God can give us the correct definition of murder.
You don't know it.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
thats probably the dumbest arguement ive ever heard
ilikecakemorethanu 2 years ago
No, dumb is following a god who makes laws, doesn't go by his own laws, then expect his followers to obey them. The point is, if god exists he is evil by his own definitions of evil.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago
Which laws does God not follow?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
jcr4runner--
ORIGINS OF GOD(s): 600,000 years ago when man became aware that he was more intelligent than the animals he was hunting. He created a God to explain things he did not understand. When migration took man to all parts of the Earth, each branch created their own God(s) That's why you have so many different ones to this day! To put it more simply: IMAGINATION CREATED GOD(s)
:)
12monkeys5 2 years ago
Ironically you have used your IMAGINATION to describe how and when gods came into existence.
First, no anthropologists has homo sapiens 600,000 years ago, more like 70,000.
Second, there are no record of religion from this time -- no archaeological artifacts that bear it out.
The oldest evidence we have of religious worship is 5000 to 6000 years old. So the evidence bears out a recent emergence of religion -- not half a million years ago.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
jcr4runner- What was man 600,000 years ago?, MAN was thinking then.
No records of religion, prior to 6000 years. Ofcourse not, God is in the IMAGINATION. :)
12monkeys5 2 years ago
How do you know man was thinking 600,000 years ago? Where are this "man's" records of his thought or civilization?
The oldest records of man's civilization date to the time the Bible says man was created.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
jcr4runner-- 600,000 years ago that's when scientists believe the branch that made us began. Early man didn't have thoughts of "civilzation" he was too busy hunting food and not being eaten by the animals he was hunting and breeding. :)
12monkeys5 2 years ago
The span of secular human history goes back about 5000 years.
The Bible's history goes back over 6000 years.
If we had a history that was older than that, it would refute the Bible. But we don't.
To say that human beings invented gods in 600,000 BC is without any record or any proof. It's only in your imagination that such a statement can be made.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
jcr4runner-- Chinese records go back 6000 years, Who's god made who? :)
12monkeys5 2 years ago
Well, not exactly. In China also, written history does not go back much further than about 4,700 years.
However, on the Huang Loess Plateau, the cradle of Chinese civilization, is the settlement site of Banpo, near Xian, some have estimated it to be over 6,000 years old. But there is no written history to confirm that.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
jcr4runner-- So the bible pre-dates the chinese by a thousand years. Wow. Having that in mind, What about god(s) that existed before the written word? :)
PS: You would think a skilled negotiator like Moses, would have come up with a better story. Good thing he was teaching those fables to Hewbrew slaves that were half crazed from malnutrition and a hundred plus years being mentally torn down by slavery. lol :)
12monkeys5 2 years ago
The HISTORY of the Bible predates Chinese history.
It's moot whether people worshiped false gods prior to Moses. Biblical testimony has polytheism as a secondary perversion of the truth revealed prior to that time.
"Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things" (Romans 1:22,23).
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Hebrews being slaves of Egyptians is a cultural myth, as is Moses. Jew mythologies are held to as fact to justify their politics & bullshit to this day. It's sad western ideals were swept aside for superstitions & GEnociDAL MINSET OF sEMEtic philosophy...
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago
According to the Egyptians themselves they engaged Israel in a war at about the time of the Exodus.
There is solid evidence set in stone that they were enemies.
How then can you say there is evidence of the slavery of Hebrews being a "cultural myth."
jcr4runner 2 years ago
How could they be at war witha nation that didn't exist yet?All cultural myths attempt to set themselves apart from everyone else. Hebrews (Egyptians who held a 1 god belief)derived their religion from an Egyptian heresy established by Akhenaten.There is no Egyptian record of an Exodus. There's a very simple reason for that. It didn't happen."Solid evidence",?"set in stone"?from a Christian?Are you serious?Leave the"solid evidence thing" to scholars>You stick with imaginary friends & fairy tales
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago
Archaeologists have discovered the Stele of Mernptah that contains the following inscription:
Israel is wasted, bare of seed,
Khor is become a widow for Egypt.
All who roamed have been subdued
By the King of Upper and Lower Egypt.
Rameses II, is considered to be a pharaoh with whom Moses squabbled - either the 'Pharaoh of the Exodus' himself, or the preceding 'Pharaoh of the Oppression' who is said to have commissioned the Hebrews to "(build) for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses."
jcr4runner 2 years ago
These cities are known to have been built under both Seti I and Rameses II, possibly making his successor Merneptah 'Pharaoh of the Exodus.'
This is considered plausible by those who view the famed stele of Merneptah's 5th year (ca. 1208 BC), claiming that 'Israel is wasted, bare of seed,' as propaganda covering up his own loss of an army (or of his predecessors) in the sea.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Your fairy tales have your bronze-age deity commanding genocide, the wholsale slaughter of children,& capture of "virgins" ( for what, I wonder???)
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago
Only man can give us the correct definition of murder, because man created god.
But you don't know it.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago 2
And if man decides murder should be legal when it suits him?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
We make our own laws and we decide what is moral, and it is forever changing. If mankind decides to redifine murder then he will do so and there is no god or primitve religion to stop him.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago 2
Hence the policies of Nazis, Stalin, Pol Pot?
According to t he atheists, these regimes were not immoral, since they simply redefined murder?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Of course they are immoral, but no more so than god, I really can't tell the difference between Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or God. Hitler and God have much in common, they are genocidal, megalomaniacal, homophobic, and sadomasochistic.
I feel nothing but pitty for you my friend, you have been properly brainwashed. Step out of the darkages and into the light. Your god was created by primitive people trying to scare and control other primitive people.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago 2
Well of course the Bible condemns these as sins. So I won't even argue this point by point.
But you still do not address the point!
Without God, who is to say what is right or wrong?
What if a society decided Jews, blacks, homosexuals, political prisoners, the unborn, etc. were "subhuman" and did not deserve human rights.
Who is to say they are wrong? From an atheistic perspective, isn't "survival of the fittest" and "might makes right" the most natural order?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Um, ok you do realize the bible does condem homosexuals and apparently slavery is ok with god also, but we have decided god is wrong with these issues. You seem to think you know what an atheist thinks you are wrong in suggesting survival of the fittest is the natural order, survival of the species is.
The point I have been trying to make is simply this, there is no god, we have decided what is right and wrong all along.
Evil men will do evil things with or without god.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago 2
Yes, the Bible condemns all forms of sin and God is just to punish sin. Indentured servitude is permitted, but chattel slavery and kidnapping is condemned. Human beings are commanded to respect life and to protect judicially innocent life.
You admit the existence of evil?
So what do you do with your guilt?
jcr4runner 2 years ago
Numbers 15:32-36, thats your god commanding human beings to respect life.
As for guilt, I have the emotional maturity to process my own feelings.
ZarcroftZ 2 years ago
Yes, I make no apologies for what God himself commands.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
"""Hence the policies of Nazis, Stalin, Pol Pot?""" No, hence a world without a god> You worship something that would allow this shit?It was secular western values, vitues, & ideals that took those animals to task. Not fathers who are their sons (& vice versa)& holy ghosts. Besides, Nazis are atheists? I think not.
HallowsEveJack 2 years ago 2
ummmmmm, not true at all
Mastafly7 2 years ago
So anyone who doesn't worship the Christian god is an atheist? What you seem to be referring to is not atheists but instead non-christians. With China the majority are actually Buddhist, and with Russia Communism took the role of religion.
In addition, you seem to be omitting many other atheists, such as Douglas Adams, Warren Buffett, Sean Penn and Uma Thurman who have actually contributed to humanitarian and environmentalist efforts. Finally, if you want to make a video, use fact, not fiction.
Azraelmaximilian 2 years ago
I don't think it matters what, if any thing, Stalin believed. He was a mass murderer. That does not describe every atheist. There are atheists who are not only charitable, reasonable people, but also think that Jesus actually existed. What about them?
The more 'libertarian' an atheist is, the less hatred against religion that person tends to have.
Not every atheist thinks the same way, or has the same opinions that other atheists do. Not every atheist hates religion or religious people.
Silam81 2 years ago 2
What evidence do you have that Stalin was into the "Occult"?
Harpakhrad11 2 years ago
and all the rest of us "not-so-great" or "mediocre" atheists remain unaccounted for? I also like how manic-depression and sexual deviancy is associated, a not so subtle appeal to morality. Clearly morality and religion are dependent on each other, which is why all atheists run around pillaging and raping and murdering. . . . . oh wait, I think I found a flaw . . .
kalin666 2 years ago 2
I like how these ridiculous apologists just lead you on a chain of appeals to authority and won't actually give you any facts themselves, lol.
WindOwl 2 years ago
So, "The Atheist Syndrome" was suppressed? Using freudian psychology, it appears that this person is buying into a potential conspiracy theory and suffers from something of a persecution complex.
I'll agree that many of the big dictators had similar personality traits. They all used personality cults and were primarily atheist simply because they could envision no greater being than themselves. They weren't really atheist, they believed themselves to be gods.
Elitistb616 2 years ago
Intersting theory, but also consider that apart from Mussolini, atheist dictators tend to be communists, considering that they find this system to be one of the most efficient ways of controlling people. Since irreligion is built into the system, they naturally must appear to be atheistic to maintain credibility.
Azraelmaximilian 2 years ago
Consider this, can our cells talk to us, can those cells talk to the atoms which compose them, can those atoms talk to the sub-atomic particles which compose them? It works the other way too, meaning, YOU CANNOT TALK TO GOD & IT CANNOT TALK TO YOU! In all likelihood our existence is probably comparable to cancer for god. Whether or not you realize it yet, there will come a time where we either are destroyed by this god or we destroy it, I can only hope its the latter.
GoinkProductions 2 years ago
Has anybody ever responded to you before? Hmmm. I wonder why not.
The thing is we can communicate, cells can't, not with themselves, not with other cells, not with anything bigger or smaller. Atoms can't communicate. subatomic particles can't. What is stopping God from communicating with all of us, all the time? So apart from the fact that it's total bollocks I have to say that's an interesting theory you have. Don't quit the day job, I don't think you'll make it as a freelance theologist.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
dear god i cant believ the shit im hearing, you ran out of argument so you turn to the conclusion that an idea with proof has got to be a sickness?
well excuse me for wanting evidence before i waste my life
chairehead 2 years ago
Actually, your life right now is pathetic and wasted. When Jesus gets hold of you it will become vibrant and exciting. That's what I've seen in everyone God has changed.
jcr4runner 2 years ago
If my life is pathetic and wasted excuse me.
I appear to have athiest syndrome, the one were you like to be free of a non existant blight of people trying futily to put a meaning to existance when in reality should not be worshipping for the sake of it, but enjoying life.
I have athiest syndrome, At least its not creationist Racist bullshit out the mouth syndrome like yourself
chairehead 2 years ago
"Good people do good things. Evil people do evil things. For good people to do evil things it takes religion."
frilans 3 years ago
"There is no God."--Josef Stalin, Atheist Mass Murderer
InfiniteMusic 3 years ago
Shall we bring up the Crusades?
Zxceelxuz 3 years ago
There is a god - Adolf Hitler
Got any other gems?
lord69z 3 years ago
Hitler believed man was a god -- or could become one.
But then the atheist has man as God too.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
Sorry sir - He believed in Jesus christ - you want to ignore facts go ahead.
The daily life of a Nazi (National Socialist) where still CONFESSING CATHOLICS.
Not one SS member was ever ex-communicated - Now you may say the Catholic church was being un-chrisitan fine... still doesn't get your any close to your point.
PEOPLE DO EVIL shit RELIGIOUS OR NOT.
fuck you imbeciles annoy me.
lord69z 3 years ago
Dr. Reinholdt Krause ... proposed the abandonment of the Old Testament, with its tales of cattle merchants and pimps and the revision of the New Testament with the teaching of Jesus corresponding entirely with the demands of National Socialism. Resolutions were drawn up demanding One People, One Reich, One Faith, requiring all pastors to take an oath of allegiance to Hitler and insisting that all churches institute the Aryan paragraph and exclude converted Jews.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
Not many Germans lost much sleep over the arrests of a few thousand pastors and priests or over the quarreling of Protestant sects. Under Rosenberg, Borman and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said in 1941, National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
Hitler believed Jesus was an Aryan god, but he didn't believe in the teachings of historic Christianity, in fact, he tried to do away entirely with Christian orthodoxy and morality.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer describes Hitler's religion.
On July 25 [1933], the German government promulgated a sterilization law, which particularly offended the Catholic Church. Five days later the first steps were taken to dissolve the Catholic Youth League. During the next years, thousands of Catholic priests, nuns and lay leaders were arrested, many of them on trumped up charges of immorality or of smuggling foreign currency.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
That all that spammed text change the fact that the vatican allied themselves with him?
NO.
Does that mean that once hitler got power he used it to relieve himself some problem?
Maybe.
DOESNT change 1 thing - that christians helped in WWII on the good side .. and the bad.
Thus the argument - Atheism was responsible is null.
Power corrupts.Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
lord69z 3 years ago
Tell it to atheists Josef Stalin. Pol Pot and Chairman Mao. I think they killed more people than all the other murders in history.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
Ok - what about all the slaughters of the Amalakites?
This isn't a contest - i don't care which side has more deaths on it, it doesn't detract from the fact that Religion influenced holy wars - secular dictatorships are based in greed ( Which by the way is much easier to find people to fight )
Mention Religion and all kinds of messed up base-instinct emotions and reactions happen.
lord69z 3 years ago
The Amelakites practiced child sacrifice as part of their religion. So God ordered their destruction. I have no problem with that anymore than I have a problem with killing Saddam or Hitler.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
Sooo kill all their babies too? Take their virgins for yourselves? All the livestock wtf did any of those animals do to piss god off ( apparently they have no soul )
Anyway keep thinking of things to justify insane and shallow ideas.
I mean seriously - have you seen anything in this day in the age to make you believe thats true?
Oh dont mention israel because the crusaders thought they were bringing back Jesus too - look how they ended up :P
Srsly guy the dark ages are over for a reason.
lord69z 3 years ago
The commandment was to kill everyone and the reasoning was that any came of age, they would be "pricks in your eyes and thorns in your sides."
Israel actually disobeyed and later the pagan people living among them led them into the practice of child sacrifice and other abominations. Then Israel was wiped out forever and Judah was taken captive for 70 years.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
I don't fully understand the commandment about killing the livestock. It may have been a symbolic action -- but some have thought that since they often sacrificed to pagan gods and even practiced bestialism in rituals, it was considered unclean to eat these animals.
It may too have been that these animals carried diseases due to poor husbandry practices.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
You addressed the question quit well - the only problem is you tend to justify the easier answer.
Why the babies? - just remember if you plan on thinking of a reason. *You are justifying the killing of babies*
lord69z 3 years ago
If God chooses to execute vengeance on an entire nation, then He is holy God and can do that righteously.
We are all born as sinners and worthy of death.
Modern theology and humanism says that people are born with a clean moral slate. But scripture tells us that we are born enemies of God.
Only God's grace can justify us. A cruel murderer is a worse sinner than a new born baby, but a baby is still guilty and worthy of death unless he is one of God's elect.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
The SCRIPTURAL reason for Israel putting ALL to death is that even the children -- not being part of God's elect -- would eventually grow up and lead Israel into idolatry and the abomination of child sacrifice.
Moses prophesied that Israel would NOT obey and they WOULD BE led into idolatry and WOULD BE destroyed by God -- and this is exactly what happened -- only the southern tribes in Judah were saved.
Only if you believe in God's sovereignty and predestination does this make sense.
jcr4runner 3 years ago
so kill the killers, i cannot see justice doesnt that make a chain that make sense for your destruction in the same way
chairehead 2 years ago