Türkiye'nin babası modern Orta Asya. Bu orta Asya'nın zaman bir araya gelip ve. Pakistan bir yapı blok çünkü bu tarihi ve kan linkler Araplar'a, Iranlılar, Türkler, Afganların. Unutmayın Güney Asya onlar da her zaman güvenilmez Orta Asya. Biz dikkat Israil, USA ve Hindistan'a çalıştığını devam orta asya bölünmüş durumda.
@robertognolu biggest bullshit .. a minority can't established by minorities .. Alevi's and Sunni's are both TURKS, most Turks Sunni or Alevi are secular.
The Jewish scumbags at TIME better stop purposely causing upset by titling this piece of shit clip as something having to do with Islam. Islam does not call to idol worship. It was the same Jews who were responsible for the creation of the Shite religion.
@uqiimu Islamist retards like you make me laugh. Jews? You idiots love blaming everything on the Jews. Even TIME has said stuff against Israel retard. The owner of TIME is American-Italian. Alevi is part of Islam you like it or not, it is a Islamic sect like Shi'a. And if the Jews made up the Shi'a movement, Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad wouldn't be supporting Paleshit. Stupid puto. XD
Why is this titled "Turkey's Unconventional Muslim Minority" ? Just by calling these heretic deviants Muslim is an insult to the only true acceptable religion of God -Islam. There is only ONE God ONE type of Islam ; the Islam as shown literally by the Prophet Muhammad ., and ONE humanity. These pagan idol worshippers are NOT Muslim. As they are clearly not satisfied with the whole and complete teachings of Islam, of which NOTHING can be added or subtracted.
@LostLittlePoet Are you high? Ataturk from Saloniki, Greece and doesn't have any bounds with Alevis whatsoever. Actually in Dersim (a region dominantly Alevi), he personally himself directed a military operation against Alevi people. With all due respect to Alevi people, could you name an Alevi frontier on Turkish democratization? I am from a southern part of Turkey where Alevi and Sunni people live together in harmony. We respect their code of ethics and they respect Sunni traditions.
@bisiydegil ACTUALY ataturks father, Ali Riza WAS an alevi, his name is alevi, the way he was thinking of bringing up his son in a modern way instead of his wifes way of ataturk becoming an imam was modernly alevi, he is half alevi. And im from Dersim[Tunceli] and the whole operation is VERY debatable, the seyits didnt want the goverment to come because they were using the poppulation as their slaves, the turkish goverment would of gave every1 equal chances,so they tricked the unedcated poppul
@bisiydegil into thinking they were gonna come and take everything, so they shot any1 who came, theyre uneducated......how would they know the turkish goverment will do them any good? Theyre so uneducated they think their kurds when they aint, alevism is TURKISH, haci bektash was turkish......so the poppulation killed an army which entered, blew up any state buildings and bridges, so ataturk got pissed of and said with his own mouth ' bu isin kokunde bitir' thats how
@bisiydegil plus ataturks family came from macediona, theyre family were originaly their beacue the sultan gave lands to soldiers from anatolia who helped conquere newly invaded european land so the poppulation could mix with turks and ottomanise, and thats how they got their, if ur disagree ur denying that the father of the turks isnt turkish
@berkbbx3 thank you for sharing that perspective and information. Although I do not totally agree with them, I think these ideas and history overall should be discussed more. The origin of Ataturk, woeful events happened at Dersim should be discussed more. I can double that Ataturk was inspired by Alevi-Bektasi tradition, his upbringing and his religious views somewhat reflected that but the origin is another claim. Balkan Turks mostly descendants who migrated there from Central Anatolia ( Konya
@berkbbx3 and Karaman) which may have been Alevis or Bektasis at around 13th century. But it is a claim not a fact. It should be discussed and investigated. Some Nomad Turkmen tribes may have been Alevis for some time, were Alevi Turkmens majority, that's another question. The fact is, now these Turkmen people are Sunni and they don't claim any Alevi connection. Again, I respect Alevi people, I have many friends and neighbors at my home area and abroad. Nobody can deny Haci Bektas Veli, great
@berkbbx3 Melami culture and tradition, their effects like tolerance, love for God and human on Turkish culture and thinking. However, Ataturk's origin is another question which I love to see being discussed. Thank for your response and quality discussion.
@bisiydegil He's half alevi :D before selanik he came from macedonia, and before macedonia he came from anatolia, macedonia because the sultan gave turks nearly conquered lands in order to poppulate, especially from the east due to the fact that was the main recruiting area [like kurds, but alevi's are orignaly turkish, so he's turkish] his dad's name is Ali Riza, an obvious alevi name, and his idea of science and philosophy is very alevi like, even after the dersim massacare, we still like him!
@LostLittlePoet I went a little too far with my last remark. You're right, there isn't much interest in Alevism or Bektashism in the mass media. It's just that the tone of the video sounded like they were trying to co-opt the Alevis as a Muslim ally for the "war on terror." Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that Alevis don't consider themselves Muslims. I look forward to learning more about Alevism, because I think you and your community are very good and kind. Peace.
@LostLittlePoet I respect and love the Alevis, but I am getting suspicious of the sudden interest in Bektashism, Alevism, and Sufism in the mass media.
even in this short shoot they have involve sex! in cemevi we do not flirt becaause soon as we entry from the door we leave are gender outside in cemevi we are CAN no sex matter going there even if you want because there is 4 person who keeps eye on everyone (gozcu)
yes kawaigardiner i agree with you but what i cant stand is that a lot people in the west are seeing themselves as the inventors of democracy and the so called "western values" are their creations so they have the right to be called modern. i think rather that every human can reach modernity or thruth by using their brains no matter what you are. and all that doesnt have to counteract with religion, because alevis are afterall muslims and they believe that god gave them brains so why dont use it
this man said: "as it turns out alevis are doing it (democratic "western" values) for hundreds of years". You see the contradictions in that. So in fact Alevis are the real enlightened people so Turkey is the crattle of civilization muahaha GO TUrkey
RE: deouwehoer, the Alevi's were faced with two options; reconcile Islam with modernity or rebel against it. Alevi have decided to reconcile their beliefs. The majority of Muslims, however, have decided to rebel and undermine democracy, secular government etc.
Flirting? Wow. These reporters still have a lot to learn. Please do your research before jumping to conclusions. One does not enter the 'Cem Evi' with a gender, a key principal of the Bektashi order of Sufis/ Alevis. These people treat each other like they are brothers and sisters. There and outside for that matter.
asghtafillah, fear allah for when the day of rekonning is apparent, you will be accounted for the secularism and disassociation from the true muslim ummah.This is not islam.
Interesting to see within the Muslim Ummah it is riddled to the brim with hatred by the likes of GGunouluvme. GGunouluvme is the reason why there is hatred and suspicion of Muslims. Its time that Muslims took the likes of GGunouluvme around the back of the wood shed and put him in his place.
Individuals like GGunouluvme need to be ignored. The Prophet Mohammed was a very tolerant man. He was sympathetic towards Christians, Jews, and other faiths. He wasn't the type to demand a religion to end all religions. Believing in God was his main focal belief.
I agree. All too often, humans are obsessed with imposing their beliefs on others. People should find strength through religion, not act aggressive towards others through religion.
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Türkiye'nin babası modern Orta Asya. Bu orta Asya'nın zaman bir araya gelip ve. Pakistan bir yapı blok çünkü bu tarihi ve kan linkler Araplar'a, Iranlılar, Türkler, Afganların. Unutmayın Güney Asya onlar da her zaman güvenilmez Orta Asya. Biz dikkat Israil, USA ve Hindistan'a çalıştığını devam orta asya bölünmüş durumda.
DevilishhhhGuy 1 month ago
@cypriot1965 You realize no better than ignorant Sunni's, why even bother answering such an idiot ..Sunni Turk
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
@robertognolu biggest bullshit .. a minority can't established by minorities .. Alevi's and Sunni's are both TURKS, most Turks Sunni or Alevi are secular.
3choBlast3r 1 year ago
The Jewish scumbags at TIME better stop purposely causing upset by titling this piece of shit clip as something having to do with Islam. Islam does not call to idol worship. It was the same Jews who were responsible for the creation of the Shite religion.
uqiimu 1 year ago
@uqiimu Islamist retards like you make me laugh. Jews? You idiots love blaming everything on the Jews. Even TIME has said stuff against Israel retard. The owner of TIME is American-Italian. Alevi is part of Islam you like it or not, it is a Islamic sect like Shi'a. And if the Jews made up the Shi'a movement, Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad wouldn't be supporting Paleshit. Stupid puto. XD
Argento1853 2 months ago
Why is this titled "Turkey's Unconventional Muslim Minority" ? Just by calling these heretic deviants Muslim is an insult to the only true acceptable religion of God -Islam. There is only ONE God ONE type of Islam ; the Islam as shown literally by the Prophet Muhammad ., and ONE humanity. These pagan idol worshippers are NOT Muslim. As they are clearly not satisfied with the whole and complete teachings of Islam, of which NOTHING can be added or subtracted.
uqiimu 1 year ago
essege altin kemerde vursan essek yine essek. kari saklamaya calisior ama bi turlu gileyemior aksaanini:)
prettiyman 1 year ago
@LostLittlePoet Are you high? Ataturk from Saloniki, Greece and doesn't have any bounds with Alevis whatsoever. Actually in Dersim (a region dominantly Alevi), he personally himself directed a military operation against Alevi people. With all due respect to Alevi people, could you name an Alevi frontier on Turkish democratization? I am from a southern part of Turkey where Alevi and Sunni people live together in harmony. We respect their code of ethics and they respect Sunni traditions.
bisiydegil 1 year ago
@bisiydegil ACTUALY ataturks father, Ali Riza WAS an alevi, his name is alevi, the way he was thinking of bringing up his son in a modern way instead of his wifes way of ataturk becoming an imam was modernly alevi, he is half alevi. And im from Dersim[Tunceli] and the whole operation is VERY debatable, the seyits didnt want the goverment to come because they were using the poppulation as their slaves, the turkish goverment would of gave every1 equal chances,so they tricked the unedcated poppul
berkbbx3 1 year ago
@bisiydegil into thinking they were gonna come and take everything, so they shot any1 who came, theyre uneducated......how would they know the turkish goverment will do them any good? Theyre so uneducated they think their kurds when they aint, alevism is TURKISH, haci bektash was turkish......so the poppulation killed an army which entered, blew up any state buildings and bridges, so ataturk got pissed of and said with his own mouth ' bu isin kokunde bitir' thats how
berkbbx3 1 year ago
@bisiydegil plus ataturks family came from macediona, theyre family were originaly their beacue the sultan gave lands to soldiers from anatolia who helped conquere newly invaded european land so the poppulation could mix with turks and ottomanise, and thats how they got their, if ur disagree ur denying that the father of the turks isnt turkish
berkbbx3 1 year ago
@berkbbx3 thank you for sharing that perspective and information. Although I do not totally agree with them, I think these ideas and history overall should be discussed more. The origin of Ataturk, woeful events happened at Dersim should be discussed more. I can double that Ataturk was inspired by Alevi-Bektasi tradition, his upbringing and his religious views somewhat reflected that but the origin is another claim. Balkan Turks mostly descendants who migrated there from Central Anatolia ( Konya
bisiydegil 1 year ago
@berkbbx3 and Karaman) which may have been Alevis or Bektasis at around 13th century. But it is a claim not a fact. It should be discussed and investigated. Some Nomad Turkmen tribes may have been Alevis for some time, were Alevi Turkmens majority, that's another question. The fact is, now these Turkmen people are Sunni and they don't claim any Alevi connection. Again, I respect Alevi people, I have many friends and neighbors at my home area and abroad. Nobody can deny Haci Bektas Veli, great
bisiydegil 1 year ago
@berkbbx3 Melami culture and tradition, their effects like tolerance, love for God and human on Turkish culture and thinking. However, Ataturk's origin is another question which I love to see being discussed. Thank for your response and quality discussion.
bisiydegil 1 year ago
@bisiydegil He's half alevi :D before selanik he came from macedonia, and before macedonia he came from anatolia, macedonia because the sultan gave turks nearly conquered lands in order to poppulate, especially from the east due to the fact that was the main recruiting area [like kurds, but alevi's are orignaly turkish, so he's turkish] his dad's name is Ali Riza, an obvious alevi name, and his idea of science and philosophy is very alevi like, even after the dersim massacare, we still like him!
berkbbx3 1 year ago
@LostLittlePoet I went a little too far with my last remark. You're right, there isn't much interest in Alevism or Bektashism in the mass media. It's just that the tone of the video sounded like they were trying to co-opt the Alevis as a Muslim ally for the "war on terror." Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that Alevis don't consider themselves Muslims. I look forward to learning more about Alevism, because I think you and your community are very good and kind. Peace.
MatthewMuhammad 1 year ago
@LostLittlePoet I respect and love the Alevis, but I am getting suspicious of the sudden interest in Bektashism, Alevism, and Sufism in the mass media.
MatthewMuhammad 1 year ago
why did they say sunday though?? Sunday sucks and is the devil day
EhliBeyt12 2 years ago
even in this short shoot they have involve sex! in cemevi we do not flirt becaause soon as we entry from the door we leave are gender outside in cemevi we are CAN no sex matter going there even if you want because there is 4 person who keeps eye on everyone (gozcu)
beria2007 2 years ago 3
yes kawaigardiner i agree with you but what i cant stand is that a lot people in the west are seeing themselves as the inventors of democracy and the so called "western values" are their creations so they have the right to be called modern. i think rather that every human can reach modernity or thruth by using their brains no matter what you are. and all that doesnt have to counteract with religion, because alevis are afterall muslims and they believe that god gave them brains so why dont use it
deouwehoer 2 years ago
this man said: "as it turns out alevis are doing it (democratic "western" values) for hundreds of years". You see the contradictions in that. So in fact Alevis are the real enlightened people so Turkey is the crattle of civilization muahaha GO TUrkey
deouwehoer 2 years ago
RE: deouwehoer, the Alevi's were faced with two options; reconcile Islam with modernity or rebel against it. Alevi have decided to reconcile their beliefs. The majority of Muslims, however, have decided to rebel and undermine democracy, secular government etc.
kawaiigardiner 2 years ago
Flirting? Wow. These reporters still have a lot to learn. Please do your research before jumping to conclusions. One does not enter the 'Cem Evi' with a gender, a key principal of the Bektashi order of Sufis/ Alevis. These people treat each other like they are brothers and sisters. There and outside for that matter.
laamek 2 years ago
asghtafillah, fear allah for when the day of rekonning is apparent, you will be accounted for the secularism and disassociation from the true muslim ummah.This is not islam.
GGunouluvme 2 years ago
Interesting to see within the Muslim Ummah it is riddled to the brim with hatred by the likes of GGunouluvme. GGunouluvme is the reason why there is hatred and suspicion of Muslims. Its time that Muslims took the likes of GGunouluvme around the back of the wood shed and put him in his place.
kawaiigardiner 2 years ago
Individuals like GGunouluvme need to be ignored. The Prophet Mohammed was a very tolerant man. He was sympathetic towards Christians, Jews, and other faiths. He wasn't the type to demand a religion to end all religions. Believing in God was his main focal belief.
EndlessChris 2 years ago
EndlessChris; I wish every Christian, Jew and Muslim were like that - then the world would be a lot better place than it is now.
kawaiigardiner 2 years ago
I agree. All too often, humans are obsessed with imposing their beliefs on others. People should find strength through religion, not act aggressive towards others through religion.
EndlessChris 2 years ago
im proud to be a alevi we are human
KANGALONE 2 years ago 2
I'm Alevi and I'm so tankfull that I have a religiion like that.
SekerCikx3 2 years ago 3
excellent, thanks for this! beautiful religion
tanitatheterrible 3 years ago 4
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time is propagandist media!!!
hammadthegreat 3 years ago
omg thats soo cool religion
netcharm 3 years ago 2
very interesting
krphl31 3 years ago 2
Thanks for this Video.
CocaColas1 3 years ago