Police 'Engage' with Me at War Celebration/Anti-War Protest

[CowLunch]

I think "engage" is a euphemism lol

[2wheels88]

Has anybody found out wether it's illegal for the cops to film you? I have heard that it is because they are making a permanent record of you which should only be done after an arrest!!!! No police are welcome to answer this question I'd prefer the truth.

[AranSPEAKS]

@2wheels88 As far as I am aware it is legal for the police to film you, this is because they are exercising a non-specific right to film in a public place, the same right we use to film them. You are under no obligation to comply with their film of you however. As for storing your image, I believe that can be unlawful but this is on a case by case basis.

[2wheels88]

@AranSPEAKS I don't know if that's correct,you can bet that if they are filming you protesting, you are definately going into some government data base for future rounding up.They are meant to be concerned with terrorism not citizen dissent,that is very disconcerting.When free speach is attacked in this way you are heading into a dictorship in the future.The nazi's had their brown shirts and now we have police and cctv video watching our every move.I envy u if you're not concerned,I know better!

[AranSPEAKS]

@2wheels88 Oh I agree it is concerning, but it can be both legal and concerning. The law has no basis in morality, what Hitler did in Germany was legal under the Nazi government implemented laws. Look up FITwatch it is a tactic used to block police cameras on protests – I totally support that. The question 'is this legal' and the question 'is this right' should never be confused. Of course it is not right for the police to film protests and yes it does go into a database used to harrass people.

[2wheels88]

@AranSPEAKS There is a big difference between Legal and Lawful one deals with legislation the other with common law the law of the land not maritime commercial law which statutes come under,They cannot enforce a statute on you unless you unwittingly consent to it.The Nazi's followed orders that were legal in Germany but under common law and the law of war were not lawful and that's why they were trialed and sentenced to death after the war,simply following an unlawful order does'nt cut it!!!

[AranSPEAKS]

@2wheels88 I understand the arguments regarding lawful rebellion, common law, etc. however in the real world I think they can and will enforce statute law on you no matter if you consent or not. Try not paying council tax and not complying at court not for some proceedings like people have done but all the way and keep refusing forever – I think you will find statute law enforced on you! Many of the laws the Nazis were tried under were made up after WW2.

[2wheels88]

@AranSPEAKS If you understand lawful rebellion then you also understand the government scam and should not stand for it.I know your concern with not paying something they say you have to because they could lock u up and I have never been to jail but I think as more people rebel and perhaps join organisations for rebellion then we'll start to see changes it may take a while but we did'nt get into this mess in a day,so I'm optomistic even if chances r small right now.We do out number the Gov.

[AranSPEAKS]

@2wheels88 Yep I am all for rebellion but it is of no consequence to me if something is technically lawful but jail is still the consequence – in that case it matters not whether it is 'lawful rebellion' or 'unlawful rebellion'. Rebellion against repression is good whether it is against common law or statute law, whether unlawful or lawful! 

[PrincessMoonFeathers]

engage or intimidate?

[toptrichs]

go draw your pension,,, BITCH

[TheHairybaz]

156 of complete pish. standard cop

[sarnky2]

@AranSPEAKS Continued...

Because then we'd all be scared and terrorised in our own streets in our own country!. Why government just keeps you happy with your little protests, so they can then just forget you and get back to keeping out country safe.... enjoy your pointless little protests in the future sir.

[AranSPEAKS]

@sarnky2 Continued... I am no pacifist. Terror networks should be disrupted using violent force if needs be. But the wars play no part in this as they don’t stop terrorists. The reason we are allowed to protest is called Free Speech, a concept you seem to have a problem with.

[sarnky2]

For god sake, why the Police have to be wasting there time on you nut job protesters anyway surprises me!. There just doing there job and I think that you have the cheek to protest at the return of our armed forces is sick!.

[AranSPEAKS]

@sarnky2 I think it is sick that Britain sends our armed forces into harms way for no good reason. I think it is sick that a Soldier that refused to fight in these pointless wars was locked up. I think it is sick that others from the armed forces have not shown him solidarity. I clapped for the soldiers when they came by, but also I held a sign asking for them all to be brought home - that is truly supporting the troops!

[sarnky2]

@AranSPEAKS Our boys know they have a job to do, and they do it great! This is a war on terror and its needed, you think there pleased and happy that your there with your fucking sign?. You'd rather leave it and have us all blowed up wouldn't you?. I think our government knows what there doing and why there doing it more than some little loner who spends his days with old women protesting a such events as these, don't you?.

[AranSPEAKS]

@sarnky2 You clearly lack the basic analytical skills necessary to evaluate anything and therefore leave it to the Government to do it for you. You do realise not even the US government uses the term ’war on terror’ anymore? The wars are putting Britain at risk unnecessarily.

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[AranSPEAKS]

@AranSPEAKS Continued from above...

You cannot have a war on terrorism - terrorist do not fight in conventional armies, are not located in any one country and can move undetected. Before the invasion of Iraq there was no al-Qaeda forces in the country - because the coalition forces destabilised the country now there is. Only domestic/homeland security, education and not provoking people by bombing them can reduce the risk of terror attacks - not war.

[sarnky2]

@AranSPEAKS Not provoking them? They should have thought of that before they flew a fucking plane into the World Trade Centre huh? You want us to sit back and just wait for the next time they try to blow us all up? It's cowards like you who will always be standing on a street corner dressed in a sandwich board being allowed your bit of "freedom of speech" to protest, and will get no further because we can't have cowards like you making the decisions. Continued...

[AranSPEAKS]

@sarnky2 You clearly are not aware of American involvement in the middle east before September 11th . You also fail to understand that attacking these countries does not stop the terrorists as they are mobile and not attached to any one country. The war will not prevent one single terrorist attack. I do not advocate sitting back and allowing an attack, I advocate using some of the money being wasted on the wars on domestic security and spying on terror networks. Continued...

[AmboGuy]

Yeah you did speak to her to say that you had no comment. I can't see what she was doing wrong at all but the woman with you came across as very immature - "oh this is really unfair". The fact that you've put her work mobile number on the internet means that you wanted to cause trouble for her - why else would you do that? Would you like it if someone put your mobile number on YouTube? I don't support the war but I have more respect for our troops than to protest at a homecoming parade.

[AranSPEAKS]

@AmboGuy As you pointed out it is her work mobile i.e. her mobile that the public have a right to have as her employer. She made two unsolicited telecommunications to the same number in the same day to my personal number, if it have been the other way round I would probably be arrested.

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[AranSPEAKS]

@AranSPEAKS Continued from above...

I told her I had no comment to make as that was the case, I had nothing of interest to communicate to her – if I had I would have said it. There was no reason to specifically speak to me other than a comment I made to the local press – most police will speak to demonstrators as a group. I was there in support of the troops and bringing them home -union jack in hand!

[AmboGuy]

@AranSPEAKS Yes the Police do sometimes give their mobile numbers out as taxpayers do pay her wages (sadly not too many protesters seem to be taxpayers). What I'm saying is why would you put it on YouTube? Were you hoping that other people might want to 'engage' with her re the protest or trying to cause trouble? Just seems an odd thing to do. Everyone DOESN'T have an automatic right to know her mobile number . I'm won't reply again - I just saw that you had no comments so felt sorry for you.

[AmboGuy]

Oh god forbid the Police would want to talk to you the fascist pigs! You really are a twat Aran. If you don't like the Police trying to talk to you then maybe you should move to somewhere like Iran where they'll shoot first and ask questions later.

[AranSPEAKS]

@AmboGuy As you see in the video, I spoke to her. But there is no need for them to call and text my private phone because I made a comment to the press – I am not an organizer just a protester. In any case making a comparison between a regime like Iran and British police is stupid, sure British police are a hell of a lot better but that isn't hard! I can't see the police using that as a tagline 'British Police... well at least we ain't as bad as the Iranian ones' somehow1