sound like a bunch of bitches arguing over something so stupid stfU! its james singing and this is taken off a metallica megadeth bootleg with demos from the early 80s cuz i have it i know!
I dont understand all the talk about whether this is James or not. Its definitely a young James Helfied and a kinda poor quality recording. His voice has most definitely changed throughout the years. You cant compare THIS James to the James of today. I've been following Metallica since the mid 80's.....the Ride the Lighting days.
@CKSeeps7 Well, he was so young. About 18 or 19 years old. If you listen to some early live recordings you'll notice how much higher his voice was. It just changed with every album. The other thing to is the pitch may be a little higher on this video/recording.
@PlayTheVideoAlready He didn't write any part of the solo. That's all James and Kirk. I don't get why some people can't get that through their heads. They think just because Dave has a writing credit then that means he wrote the whole damn song.
I am a huge fan of Dave musitaine and Megadeth. and that is not Dave on vocals. he didnt even make the decision to sing for a band until he formed megadeth and couldnt find the right singer so he just said fuck it im gonna sing
@ua440jdog nahhh it's not dave, he was fired some 5 or 6 months before this, and I'm not just saying that, I'm a massive Mustaine and Megadeth fan, I prefer them to 'Tallica in a way, so I'm not just being a Hammett fanboy. Also, Mustaine NEVER sang with Metallica, he didn't sing with any band up until new years eve 1983, when a certain David Ellefson convinced him to stop looking for a singer and just sing for Megadeth himself.
@ua440jdog dude. dave was not the singer in Metallica. He was the guitarist. and i dont even think its dave playing guitar here cause i think he was already out of the band before they performed any ride the lightning songs. now i like dave and megadeth more than metallica but if dave sang on this he wouldve mentioned it in his book probably
@ua440jdog you have to be the dumbest person i've ever come across on the internet, the only time this song appeared on a demo was the ride the lightning demo which was cut on October 24, 1983 long after dave got fired on April 11, 1983, so the only way dave even appeared was through the riffs and the lyrics, but it's not him truly singing on this track which was what i had originally posted but you clearly don't have the brain capacity to comprehend that, but i'm a "young uninformed kid"
@ua440jdog also at least i can construct a basic sentence in the English language unlike exhibit A posted posted by a "informed person" like yourself
@BIGGLovin1 First off, Dave is about a million times better at guitar that Kirk in the technical sense. Which solo is better comes down to personal preferance but it is just a fact that Dave is more technically profficient and varied in his use of scales and modes than Kirk is. Also, 'owns' makes you sound like a 12 year old gamer, and I suggest you stop saying it. Rant rant rant - proper sentences, punctuation and grammar blah blah blah the end. Who's Dave Kirk?
@mdelair420 I'm right!!!! There's no way it could have been Dave Mustaine, how could he have ever sung on that track. Actually it could have been a 4track running slightly slowly, so on playback it sounded fast. IT is James Hetfield. Pitch shift it and you will see. When the doors of perception are cleaned, life will appear as it is - infinite!!!!
Listen to any of them 4 songs live in 83 and you will see the slight difference,or pick up your guitar and check for youself. also when listening to the live versions remember bootleg recording devices were awful back then, just like in the grainy videos the sound is distorted, thats not how good they would have sounded live. I still love raw footage.
To all of you who question the voice. I checked all four songs from the ride the lightning demo, Fight fire with fire, ride the lightning, creeping death, (Call of Ktulu) and found they are all in F tuning and slighly fast. Metallica would not have tuned there instruments up high and there are no other examples of them doing it any where else. Either cheep production-post production equiptment, the machine used to produce the copies or intentialy but thats why its kinda chipmunky.
guys even if this isnt Dave playing there very well couldve been a recording where dave played this because Dave had writing credits on this song and Call of Ktulu
This s hit is still going on? Check Megadeth's site and the Scorpion section and tell me if you stlill think it's Dave on the vocals:
10.31.2005 - Mustaine sang with Metallica?
"The reason why you can't find any recordings to confirm this, is because the book on Metallica is incorrect. Mr. Mustaine has answered this question before, so I will tell it to you straight from the horses mouth. He never sang lead on any Metallica songs, his voice can only be heard on backing vocals."
This s hit is still going on? Check Megeth's site and the Scorpion section and tell me if you stlill think it's Dave on the vocals:
10.31.2005 - Mustaine sang with Metallica?
"The reason why you can't find any recordings to confirm this, is because the book on Metallica is incorrect. Mr. Mustaine has answered this question before, so I will tell it to you straight from the horses mouth. He never sang lead on any Metallica songs, his voice can only be heard on backing vocals."
The music was credited in the name of Dave because in testing the music had been properly arranged and recorded, but this is the official of Ride the Lightning demo, with Kirk on the lead guitar
mustaine before was kicked out before kill'em all was even released, so no such as ride with dave mustaine, he was kicked out for drug addiction. just letting you know
@SensibleStan no if you watch the spider chord video you'll see mustaine say "when i did it in metallica..." plays riff from ride the lightning, so dave actually wrote that lick, but this isn't dave playing in this vid
@gingerlad8000 not what i mean, I learned the spider chord and hammetts version is slightly different, maybe he couldn't play daves, who knows, but in this vid its kirks version.
@SensibleStan im confused there are 2 versions of the spider chord in 2 different songs within metallica and megadeth, one in ride the lightning and one in wake up dead, they were both written by dave, look up spider chord on youtube, im pretty sure i could be wrong
@gingerlad8000 Yes there are two different versions. Dave's and Metallica's. Dave came up with the spider chord. When he left Metallica they used it in Ride the Lightning. (wanted to use it in Leper Messiah) For some reason though Metallica plays it different. Sounds the same to those who don't know any better, but to me Dave's way is more smooth sounding.
No, this is KIRK. DAVE was NO LONGER in the BAND at this stage of their career. He was kicked out in March and this was recorded 6 months later with KIRK. So you TOTALLY don't have a clue.
@Danimal300zx How do you know? Were you there in the studio with them? Did Kirk tell you this bullshit himself? Did Dave tell you anything himself? Probably not, so therefore, this is Dave. Now piss off. Cock face. Dick.
You're claiming this demo is fake? hahaha.. You do realize that THIS IS HOW JAMES sounded in ALL his live concerts until the end of 1983 right? His voice actually used to sound like this you piece of shit. This is Metallica and you are the one who is gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy kid.
If you want to keep this upload on YouTube, PLEASE change the title and the info in the 'show more' section. Cliff Burton replaced Ron McGovney at the end of '82, and Kirk Hammett replaced Dave Mustaine just prior to recording "Kill 'Em All" in April of '83. Neither Ron or Dave played on the first album, so why would they appear on the demos to the second album (released October '83)?! Also, if you think that's Dave singing, you have a serious hearing problem!!!
DEFINTELY a young james hetfield, how can anythink this is dave? guitar, i have to say, sounds like kirk, but they traded amp settings during kill em all and they weren't much different back then, truth
@doctorbasslayer I don't think there would be a Metallica at all if Dave had stayed. It's very hard to run a band if three out of four members are trying to be in charge. Now we have two awesome bands instead of none, so I think things worked out for the best in the end.
That's James on vocals and rhythm guitar and Kirk on lead guitar. I had this demo at some point. It has 4 songs from Ride The Lightening with all 4 songs with Kirk on lead because we all know Dave Mustaine didn't write Fight Fire With Fire and Creeping Death. It has the same sound the whole time so therefore Mustaine is not on it.
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@VitalSigns1 and there is no way dave couldve been in here. if ur a guitar player like me, you can TOTALLY TELL the difference between the way kirk solos (from the licks he plays) and the way dave plays, thats kirk on the guitar.
@VitalSigns1 nah man thats kirk playing the solo, dave just wrote the spider chord to the song which was his thing basically, but again thats kirk on the guitar . if u have been listening to all their records, you can tell an easy difference between dave's and kirk's lead playing.
@thojyout23 Kirk took Mustaine's solos and used them as his own. That's why when you listen to Ride the Lightning or The Four Horsemen it sounds like Dave, cause it was written by Dave, just played by Kirk
@VitalSigns1 dave never wrote a solo for this, again he just wrote the spider chords. what kirk DID INDEED take though were parts of the solos that Dave did on kill em all (for example you mention the four horsemen, true about that point), but dave never wrote a solo for RTL. and this is indeed kirk playing in the demo. and im not sure what your trying to say that it sounds like dave but that soloing is NOTHING like mustaine at all, dave tends to add the harmonic minor in some of his solos also
@thojyout23 Dave absolutely wrote the solo in Ride the Lightning, and Kirk used it. Making minor, insignificant changes doesn't make it yours. Kirk's not talented enough to write as good of solos as Dave. That's just a fact. I like em both though
@VitalSigns1 do u have a video taht shows dave's original RTL solo, and im not talking about THIS video because this one is Kirk, cuz i cant seem to find one with daves playing on the solo. but yeah, kinda true after listening to mustaines demo's on no life til leather, kirk didnt make much changes to the solos, oh well.
@thojyout23 The first recording of RTL came out before Kirk even joined the band. It's here on youtube. If it doesn't say Dave on it then whoever uploaded it is just getting it wrong.
@VitalSigns1 there is another different demo of RTL on youtube, but again its only kirk. and apparently they did the demo's 5 months after they kicked out mustaine and mustaine never wrote the solo for it. bah whatever, i dont think were gonna ever agree so i end here.
@dimezakkrandykirk Actually Dave is pretty much better than Kirk in every respect, plus he sings over top of leads. And secondly, they all drank like motherfuckers, it's just that Dave was too metal for them to handle, so they hired Kirk the pussy instead.
@VitalSigns1 yes, because doing nothing with your life besides drinking and doing drugs is metal. they all drank, but dave did it to an extreem and shot up heroin on top of that. none of dave's solos were as fast or as good as kirks.
@dimezakkrandykirk Kind of ironic you say Dave does less with his life seeing as though Megadeth has released 12 studio albums since 85 and Metallica has only released 9 albums since 83.
@VitalSigns1 yeah, but metallica's sold more albums then megadeth ever has or probably will. and it's pretty sad when you have to fire your preducer because you spent half the money the label gave you on drugs.
read a book or two mate. for a name such as dimesakkrandykirk you should perhaps pay attention to history.
Dave only divulged in heroin when he meet Gar Samuelson and Chris Poland back in '84. That was AFTER he was booted out of Metallica.
Take a look at past photos of metallica, any members, especially Lars, before the Re/Load era. Look for wide, dilated pupils. EVERYONE MEMBER OF METALLICA HAS DONE CLASS A DRUGS!
@sux0rz and dave did drugs well before metallica. he sold drugs when he was a teen and when one of his clients couldn't pay him, they just gave him iron maiden or judas priest albums. after that is when he started getting into metal.
I used to have that cassete, was prob a bootleg. I believe Mechanix is the only song Mustane can take credit for. Kicking Dave out was a great move we got two bands out of the deal.
@LibertyCityMayhem95 Yeah, but the First 4 albums and an ep are great from nearly beginning to end from one of them. and the other cant say that about any of there albums.
@steveymac69 know Mustaine has credit for Mechanix/4 horsemen, Jump in the Fire, Metal Militia, Phantom Lord. he wrote the main riffs and lyrics for those
@steveymac69 I feel sorry for you for thinking that. If you look into things more you'd find out that mustiane invented the spider chord, which is used many times in this song. You would also find out that most of metallica's first 2 albums music was written by him, and some of those songs cliff helped out. songs dave wrote for them:Ride the lightning, mechanix, seek and destroy, for whom the bell tolls(with cliff's help), Trapped under ice, creeping death and many others I can't name(nomoreroom
@gungutuzero I feel sorry for you fort thinking you have a life at all. 6 out of 18 "co-written" songs is hardly most of there first two albums, but you believe what you want, cheif. Mechanix being the only song he wrote entirely on his own, so metalica just changed the words, wich is a much better song since metalica wrote way better lyrics, making it co-written. He did not write "seek,for whom,trapped,creeping," if he did he'd say so cuz he claims to have written parts of leper.
@steveymac69 I meant wrote entirely on his own. but since they rewrote the lyrics after kicking him out, he only co-wrote the four hourseman, wich In my opinion is way better lyrics.
Dudes, Dave only did a little work on a few songs on the Killers album, which is the worst metallica album, so get over this fascination with Dave Mustaine.
@BBFOXHOUND And? Mustain left Metallica in like '83. Since then he basically has not done anything for metallica, let alone do 2008 shit. Kirk was on Death Magnetic. So what is exactly the shit I don't know, bad ass?
@Newsensation1978 Really I didn t know of this Metallica album called Killers thought that was a Maiden album but could be wrong lol itd Kill EM All and its a great album not only because Dave helped write 75% of the material. Kirk thought his solos were so good he recorded them almost note for note guess he new he couldn t improve on perfection
@panterabls1 My bad. meant kill em all. 4 out of 10 is not 75%. Its 40% dude. Yes, he co wrote 4 of the songs with lars and james. It's the worst Metallica album, anyway. May be second to worst. The new shit is not impressive at all. Kind of easy to see how I got confused though. Killers is not that impressive at all either. Each has 1 or 2 good songs. Thats it. Compared, they are the worst complete albums from Metallica and Maiden.
@Newsensation1978 you say kill em all is their worst album? dude that was one of first thrash metal album,thrash in their roots! you are just bloody waggermetalheads who think that a metal song should have thicker voice and guitar tuned down...fuck i hate people who miss the best thing >.<
@metalzombiebass Dude agreed. It's one of the first thrash metal albums, which is in their roots. How can you even compare a masterpiece like Master of Puppets to Kill em All??? OK. Kill em All is thrash. Master of Puppets is rock at its finest. If you rather bitch about people who have hearing abilities to distinguish beauty from unpleasantness, ok, but dont hate them.
@Newsensation1978 I thought the Killers is Iron maiden dude, oh and dude,kill em all is one of there best. So go listen to whiskey in a jar, 2x4 or some other crap, dude.
@steveymac69 I got both albums at a "nice price" in cassette format from Walmart or some shit like 25 years ago, and they are both are the worst piece of works from Metallica and Maiden, respectively, so its easy to see how I got confused.
@Newsensation1978 matter of opinion, not fact. I can listen to that album front to back. for true thrash fans, not the band wagon jumpers and fad chasers. This album was made with love for what they believed in, not money. Imo, its there third best album only edged out by Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. Puppets is a masterpiece in arraingment, but I personaly find Kill em to be a masterpiece in strip down rawness and aggression. The first Thrash album ever recorded.
@Newsensation1978 I also enjoy Killers and liked Paul Di'Anno, but cant argue that one being a great album, but can say it was an influence on all young thrash bands yet to be formed and an evolutoinary album in Harris' writing skills. Honestly the musicality and all the elements of what was to come. Metal and thrash was meant to be raw and aggresive, not pretty and pop freindly. there was a name for that fluffy metaland people who listened to it. POSERS.
@steveymac69 Master of Puppets I think is "pretty" and "pop friendly." Is that bad? Stop being a hater. I know it goes well with the bad ass metal attitude, but beauty is beauty. Master of Puppets will always be their best album ever, and probably the best musical compilation ever made.
@Newsensation1978 At the time it wasnt so pop freindly, walls still needed to brought down, wich puppets had a big part in that. Including the use of and evolution of the taboo guitar tab, wich led minions of people to pick up a guitar. We both agree its a masterpiece. Beautiful yes, It starts of pretty, but quickly turns pretty brutal, then chuggy, then epic, then maybe pretty, twisted and your only pop freindly moment, and then its just brutal brutal epic and brutal.Nothatin
@steveymac69 Man, I just heard all tracks on master of puppets. Like I thought, BLOWN away. Every track is solid gold. That album is everything. Man growing up I remember like 9 or 10 years old, snug in bed late at nIght and playing a master of puppets tape my sister had given me on my walkman over and over again, eventually falling asleep to Orion or Damage, Inc. or somethin...I AM SO SERIOUS.
I seen them with Mustaine, not knowing who the fuck they were, and not caring either. The band rocked, and later, I thanked the metal head I just met at work that asked me to drive him there that night. What an amazing performance.
Dave Mustaine had absolutely NOTHING to do with the "Ride" demos. These came out after KeA was released and he was kicked out before that album was recorded. Also, Dave never, ever sang one single song in Metallica, ever. Every demo you've ever heard from Metallica has James on vocals.
oke thats kirk
jorrit1192 2 days ago
The only thing i can be sure about dave it´s that he is on the lead guitar. Kirk would never played like that
Iron7Ice 5 days ago
its dave, he sings not so high as james did.
DaniBlue92 1 week ago
definetly james with audio mess ups or something
GoGoLoneRanger 2 weeks ago
James when he was tenor men after he drank too much and he is now baritone :P
megorian4 3 weeks ago
sound like a bunch of bitches arguing over something so stupid stfU! its james singing and this is taken off a metallica megadeth bootleg with demos from the early 80s cuz i have it i know!
neil54life 3 weeks ago
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neil54life 3 weeks ago
Obviously James on vocals...
RevolverOcelotMFKD 1 month ago
Theres no way that's Dave. Compely different.
BluntAnim 1 month ago
shit what tuning was that!
staff702 1 month ago
what's wrong with you, son? That's James.. straight up xD
anarulez94 1 month ago
Believe me, PLEASE. That is NOT Dave Mustaine on vocals. It's young James.
muuuuaaaaraaawwwr 1 month ago 18
it's james on vocals ;X
LoveThrashMetal666 1 month ago
it is not not even dave on the lead.forget the vocals.
cona420 1 month ago
egg foo old
maniacle 1 month ago
this is not dave you retard
heavytom89 1 month ago
I dont understand all the talk about whether this is James or not. Its definitely a young James Helfied and a kinda poor quality recording. His voice has most definitely changed throughout the years. You cant compare THIS James to the James of today. I've been following Metallica since the mid 80's.....the Ride the Lighting days.
cfwilkins2003 1 month ago
If youre telling me that james is singing this then you need hearing aids.
CKSeeps7 2 months ago
@CKSeeps7 This IS Hetfield singing.
ColdHeartedMan1979 2 months ago
@ColdHeartedMan1979 that sounds nothing like him. im suprised.
CKSeeps7 2 months ago
@CKSeeps7 Well, he was so young. About 18 or 19 years old. If you listen to some early live recordings you'll notice how much higher his voice was. It just changed with every album. The other thing to is the pitch may be a little higher on this video/recording.
ColdHeartedMan1979 2 months ago
@ColdHeartedMan1979 ya... did you listen to life after leather?
CKSeeps7 1 month ago
@CKSeeps7 Yes.
ColdHeartedMan1979 1 month ago
@ColdHeartedMan1979 their original album? anywayyyy he sounds like really high pitched in that too haha.
CKSeeps7 1 month ago
No fuckin way Dave wrote the beginning to the solo?
PlayTheVideoAlready 2 months ago
@PlayTheVideoAlready He didn't write any part of the solo. That's all James and Kirk. I don't get why some people can't get that through their heads. They think just because Dave has a writing credit then that means he wrote the whole damn song.
mseals29 2 months ago in playlist Metallica
that's james on vocals......fail
GeorgeTheJoker780 2 months ago
I am a huge fan of Dave musitaine and Megadeth. and that is not Dave on vocals. he didnt even make the decision to sing for a band until he formed megadeth and couldnt find the right singer so he just said fuck it im gonna sing
bravesfan528 2 months ago
If thats dave on vocals , im Donald Duck.
10deathman10 2 months ago 35
@10deathman10 Hi Donald Duck
TheArthuryk 1 month ago
@10deathman10 Hello Donald.
bobcat224 1 month ago
@10deathman10 He was only lead guitar when he was in Metallica. James Hetfeild was on vocals
wertyuioman 2 weeks ago
@wertyuioman dude i know that , im just trolling people
10deathman10 2 weeks ago
Without Dave they would NEVER be here...IT IS DAVE on vocals you young uninformed kid.
ua440jdog 2 months ago
@ua440jdog nahhh it's not dave, he was fired some 5 or 6 months before this, and I'm not just saying that, I'm a massive Mustaine and Megadeth fan, I prefer them to 'Tallica in a way, so I'm not just being a Hammett fanboy. Also, Mustaine NEVER sang with Metallica, he didn't sing with any band up until new years eve 1983, when a certain David Ellefson convinced him to stop looking for a singer and just sing for Megadeth himself.
skiiddo 2 months ago
@ua440jdog dude. dave was not the singer in Metallica. He was the guitarist. and i dont even think its dave playing guitar here cause i think he was already out of the band before they performed any ride the lightning songs. now i like dave and megadeth more than metallica but if dave sang on this he wouldve mentioned it in his book probably
bravesfan528 2 months ago
@bravesfan528 Actually, two songs on the album are credited to Dave. Ride the Lightning and Call of Ktulu.
Just letting you know.
Xenodemic 2 months ago
@Xenodemic i know i thought i had said that. i think in the top comment i only listed the ones he had credits on in kill em all
bravesfan528 2 months ago
you could tell off the bat thats james hetfield, why does it say mustaine is on vocals
ogmudboneyeah 2 months ago
@ogmudboneyeah CAUSE HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ua440jdog 2 months ago
@ua440jdog you have to be the dumbest person i've ever come across on the internet, the only time this song appeared on a demo was the ride the lightning demo which was cut on October 24, 1983 long after dave got fired on April 11, 1983, so the only way dave even appeared was through the riffs and the lyrics, but it's not him truly singing on this track which was what i had originally posted but you clearly don't have the brain capacity to comprehend that, but i'm a "young uninformed kid"
ogmudboneyeah 2 months ago
the*
pobodysnerfect100 2 months ago
sorry to spoil it for ya, but this was the lineup at this point in he band:
james hetfield - vocals/rhythm guitar
kirk hammett - lead guitar
cliff burton - bass guitar/ some backing vocals
lars ulrich - drums
pobodysnerfect100 2 months ago 2
That's obviously Hetfield singing. That was probably pointed out several times though.
Kingddd333 2 months ago
Kirks solo owns Dave Kirk is way better
BIGGLovin1 2 months ago
@BIGGLovin1 stop moaning
MrWWEThemeSongs1V2 2 months ago
@BIGGLovin1 only in your world
CalebePriester 2 months ago
@BIGGLovin1 Thats why Dave is smart enough to own is master cuts.......he is 7x'S of the gay boy!!!!!!!!!!
ua440jdog 2 months ago
@ua440jdog also at least i can construct a basic sentence in the English language unlike exhibit A posted posted by a "informed person" like yourself
ogmudboneyeah 2 months ago
@BIGGLovin1 First off, Dave is about a million times better at guitar that Kirk in the technical sense. Which solo is better comes down to personal preferance but it is just a fact that Dave is more technically profficient and varied in his use of scales and modes than Kirk is. Also, 'owns' makes you sound like a 12 year old gamer, and I suggest you stop saying it. Rant rant rant - proper sentences, punctuation and grammar blah blah blah the end. Who's Dave Kirk?
skiiddo 2 months ago
It sounds like it has been pitch shifted, maybe a semitone. Re shift the pitch, and I think you will find it is James on vocals.
hoppinonabronzeleg 3 months ago
@hoppinonabronzeleg Pass that shit it must be good..
mdelair420 2 months ago
@mdelair420 I'm right!!!! There's no way it could have been Dave Mustaine, how could he have ever sung on that track. Actually it could have been a 4track running slightly slowly, so on playback it sounded fast. IT is James Hetfield. Pitch shift it and you will see. When the doors of perception are cleaned, life will appear as it is - infinite!!!!
hoppinonabronzeleg 2 months ago
@hoppinonabronzeleg Never said it was dave singing..James has a certain dialect in his early days.i.e [awayeh] trying to take it all awayeh..lmao
mdelair420 2 months ago
Listen to any of them 4 songs live in 83 and you will see the slight difference,or pick up your guitar and check for youself. also when listening to the live versions remember bootleg recording devices were awful back then, just like in the grainy videos the sound is distorted, thats not how good they would have sounded live. I still love raw footage.
steveymac69 3 months ago
To all of you who question the voice. I checked all four songs from the ride the lightning demo, Fight fire with fire, ride the lightning, creeping death, (Call of Ktulu) and found they are all in F tuning and slighly fast. Metallica would not have tuned there instruments up high and there are no other examples of them doing it any where else. Either cheep production-post production equiptment, the machine used to produce the copies or intentialy but thats why its kinda chipmunky.
steveymac69 3 months ago
Just chek wikipedia metallica
TheStarDeth 3 months ago
actauly its james on vocals thats not daves voice
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steveymac69 3 months ago
guys even if this isnt Dave playing there very well couldve been a recording where dave played this because Dave had writing credits on this song and Call of Ktulu
bravesfan528 3 months ago
This s hit is still going on? Check Megadeth's site and the Scorpion section and tell me if you stlill think it's Dave on the vocals:
10.31.2005 - Mustaine sang with Metallica?
"The reason why you can't find any recordings to confirm this, is because the book on Metallica is incorrect. Mr. Mustaine has answered this question before, so I will tell it to you straight from the horses mouth. He never sang lead on any Metallica songs, his voice can only be heard on backing vocals."
badtuco 3 months ago
This s hit is still going on? Check Megeth's site and the Scorpion section and tell me if you stlill think it's Dave on the vocals:
10.31.2005 - Mustaine sang with Metallica?
"The reason why you can't find any recordings to confirm this, is because the book on Metallica is incorrect. Mr. Mustaine has answered this question before, so I will tell it to you straight from the horses mouth. He never sang lead on any Metallica songs, his voice can only be heard on backing vocals."
badtuco 3 months ago
ohh long time no see REAL metallica
headbanner666 3 months ago
The music was credited in the name of Dave because in testing the music had been properly arranged and recorded, but this is the official of Ride the Lightning demo, with Kirk on the lead guitar
netopows 3 months ago
mustaine before was kicked out before kill'em all was even released, so no such as ride with dave mustaine, he was kicked out for drug addiction. just letting you know
RoLaNdDrUmZ 3 months ago
its Kirks shit version of the spider chord, so it is Kirk. I like kirk but his spider chord version isnt half as good.
SensibleStan 3 months ago
@SensibleStan no if you watch the spider chord video you'll see mustaine say "when i did it in metallica..." plays riff from ride the lightning, so dave actually wrote that lick, but this isn't dave playing in this vid
gingerlad8000 3 months ago
@gingerlad8000 not what i mean, I learned the spider chord and hammetts version is slightly different, maybe he couldn't play daves, who knows, but in this vid its kirks version.
SensibleStan 3 months ago
@SensibleStan im confused there are 2 versions of the spider chord in 2 different songs within metallica and megadeth, one in ride the lightning and one in wake up dead, they were both written by dave, look up spider chord on youtube, im pretty sure i could be wrong
gingerlad8000 3 months ago
@gingerlad8000 Yes there are two different versions. Dave's and Metallica's. Dave came up with the spider chord. When he left Metallica they used it in Ride the Lightning. (wanted to use it in Leper Messiah) For some reason though Metallica plays it different. Sounds the same to those who don't know any better, but to me Dave's way is more smooth sounding.
mseals29 3 months ago in playlist Metallica
Totally Dave on guitar. Wow, didn't even know he wrote the solo to this song, thought it was just most of the riffs.
MrHoopla 3 months ago
@MrHoopla
No, this is KIRK. DAVE was NO LONGER in the BAND at this stage of their career. He was kicked out in March and this was recorded 6 months later with KIRK. So you TOTALLY don't have a clue.
Danimal300zx 3 months ago
@Danimal300zx How do you know? Were you there in the studio with them? Did Kirk tell you this bullshit himself? Did Dave tell you anything himself? Probably not, so therefore, this is Dave. Now piss off. Cock face. Dick.
MrHoopla 3 months ago
The vocal is unmistakably Hetfield
brengf 3 months ago
fake and gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
pirubiru88 4 months ago
@pirubiru88
You're claiming this demo is fake? hahaha.. You do realize that THIS IS HOW JAMES sounded in ALL his live concerts until the end of 1983 right? His voice actually used to sound like this you piece of shit. This is Metallica and you are the one who is gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy kid.
Danimal300zx 3 months ago
@Danimal300zx
ok man you are a Metallica fan from yesterday.
pirubiru88 3 months ago
If you want to keep this upload on YouTube, PLEASE change the title and the info in the 'show more' section. Cliff Burton replaced Ron McGovney at the end of '82, and Kirk Hammett replaced Dave Mustaine just prior to recording "Kill 'Em All" in April of '83. Neither Ron or Dave played on the first album, so why would they appear on the demos to the second album (released October '83)?! Also, if you think that's Dave singing, you have a serious hearing problem!!!
rejapgee 4 months ago
James is singing!! Not dave! By the way! James voice is way better than Dave's! James haves a hot voice!
Hardstylechic663 4 months ago
@Hardstylechic663
He "haves" a hot voice? HAS...NOT HAVES..
Danimal300zx 3 months ago
DEFINTELY a young james hetfield, how can anythink this is dave? guitar, i have to say, sounds like kirk, but they traded amp settings during kill em all and they weren't much different back then, truth
rokvidfan 4 months ago
@doctorbasslayer I don't think there would be a Metallica at all if Dave had stayed. It's very hard to run a band if three out of four members are trying to be in charge. Now we have two awesome bands instead of none, so I think things worked out for the best in the end.
ZamCronos 4 months ago
That's James on vocals and rhythm guitar and Kirk on lead guitar. I had this demo at some point. It has 4 songs from Ride The Lightening with all 4 songs with Kirk on lead because we all know Dave Mustaine didn't write Fight Fire With Fire and Creeping Death. It has the same sound the whole time so therefore Mustaine is not on it.
xxxCarnesxxx 4 months ago 19
@xxxCarnesxxx It IS pretty obvious Mustaine didn't write Fight Fire With Fire, because it has a shitty, almost non-existant rythym and no appeal
LibertyCityMayhem95 3 months ago
@LibertyCityMayhem95
Do you know what else has no appeal? Your opinion.
Danimal300zx 3 months ago
@Danimal300zx Care to actually put some thought into your response? Instead of juvenile charades?
LibertyCityMayhem95 3 months ago
Dave? LOL It is James. Also, yep. Dave's guitar.
GustavoOliveiraTLWPB 4 months ago
Yeah it's totally Hetfield on vocals, but that jackhammer verse gives away that it is Mustaine on guitar. It sounds like a Megadeth song...hahaha.
desdemona222b 4 months ago
has no one caught that James is the one singing here?
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peopledick 4 months ago
@doctorbasslayer Maybe he would be out anyway, they weren't the best friends ever you know...
WMGsuck 4 months ago
heavy!
sonicsteev 4 months ago
thats not mustaine on vocals, it´s hetfield :D but with his younger voice
HeRoSeNsEi 4 months ago
this just sounds like the regular version but with crappier equipment and james hasn't really developed his RTL voice
dimezakkrandykirk 4 months ago
damn look at u fuckers go
dare4distance69 4 months ago
Actually it IS dave singing here. He did vocals in Metallica for a short time in their early days until James took over.
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 no its james on vocals
thojyout23 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 and there is no way dave couldve been in here. if ur a guitar player like me, you can TOTALLY TELL the difference between the way kirk solos (from the licks he plays) and the way dave plays, thats kirk on the guitar.
thojyout23 4 months ago
@thojyout23 Obviously you can't tell because this demo came out before Kirk even joined the band
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 nah man thats kirk playing the solo, dave just wrote the spider chord to the song which was his thing basically, but again thats kirk on the guitar . if u have been listening to all their records, you can tell an easy difference between dave's and kirk's lead playing.
thojyout23 4 months ago
@thojyout23 Kirk took Mustaine's solos and used them as his own. That's why when you listen to Ride the Lightning or The Four Horsemen it sounds like Dave, cause it was written by Dave, just played by Kirk
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 dave never wrote a solo for this, again he just wrote the spider chords. what kirk DID INDEED take though were parts of the solos that Dave did on kill em all (for example you mention the four horsemen, true about that point), but dave never wrote a solo for RTL. and this is indeed kirk playing in the demo. and im not sure what your trying to say that it sounds like dave but that soloing is NOTHING like mustaine at all, dave tends to add the harmonic minor in some of his solos also
thojyout23 4 months ago
@thojyout23 Dave absolutely wrote the solo in Ride the Lightning, and Kirk used it. Making minor, insignificant changes doesn't make it yours. Kirk's not talented enough to write as good of solos as Dave. That's just a fact. I like em both though
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 do u have a video taht shows dave's original RTL solo, and im not talking about THIS video because this one is Kirk, cuz i cant seem to find one with daves playing on the solo. but yeah, kinda true after listening to mustaines demo's on no life til leather, kirk didnt make much changes to the solos, oh well.
thojyout23 4 months ago
@thojyout23 The first recording of RTL came out before Kirk even joined the band. It's here on youtube. If it doesn't say Dave on it then whoever uploaded it is just getting it wrong.
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 there is another different demo of RTL on youtube, but again its only kirk. and apparently they did the demo's 5 months after they kicked out mustaine and mustaine never wrote the solo for it. bah whatever, i dont think were gonna ever agree so i end here.
thojyout23 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 kirk's a lot better soloist then dave is. besides all the drugs and alcohol that dave did thats one of the reasons y they got kirk.
dimezakkrandykirk 4 months ago
@dimezakkrandykirk Actually Dave is pretty much better than Kirk in every respect, plus he sings over top of leads. And secondly, they all drank like motherfuckers, it's just that Dave was too metal for them to handle, so they hired Kirk the pussy instead.
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 yes, because doing nothing with your life besides drinking and doing drugs is metal. they all drank, but dave did it to an extreem and shot up heroin on top of that. none of dave's solos were as fast or as good as kirks.
dimezakkrandykirk 4 months ago
@dimezakkrandykirk Kind of ironic you say Dave does less with his life seeing as though Megadeth has released 12 studio albums since 85 and Metallica has only released 9 albums since 83.
VitalSigns1 4 months ago
@VitalSigns1 yeah, but metallica's sold more albums then megadeth ever has or probably will. and it's pretty sad when you have to fire your preducer because you spent half the money the label gave you on drugs.
dimezakkrandykirk 4 months ago
@dimezakkrandykirk
LOL! youre such a fucking noob!
read a book or two mate. for a name such as dimesakkrandykirk you should perhaps pay attention to history.
Dave only divulged in heroin when he meet Gar Samuelson and Chris Poland back in '84. That was AFTER he was booted out of Metallica.
Take a look at past photos of metallica, any members, especially Lars, before the Re/Load era. Look for wide, dilated pupils. EVERYONE MEMBER OF METALLICA HAS DONE CLASS A DRUGS!
Maybe go ask your mum, fool
sux0rz 4 months ago
@sux0rz do people actually say noob still?
dimezakkrandykirk 4 months ago
@sux0rz and dave did drugs well before metallica. he sold drugs when he was a teen and when one of his clients couldn't pay him, they just gave him iron maiden or judas priest albums. after that is when he started getting into metal.
dimezakkrandykirk 4 months ago
better than the new one \m/ (> . < ) \m/
DominicRocksStudios 4 months ago
I used to have that cassete, was prob a bootleg. I believe Mechanix is the only song Mustane can take credit for. Kicking Dave out was a great move we got two bands out of the deal.
steveymac69 5 months ago 14
@steveymac69 Yeah, but only one of them is worth listening to after the first 5 albums...
LibertyCityMayhem95 4 months ago
@LibertyCityMayhem95 Yeah, but the First 4 albums and an ep are great from nearly beginning to end from one of them. and the other cant say that about any of there albums.
steveymac69 3 months ago
@steveymac69 Call of Ktulu?
ManiacFromGreece 4 months ago
@steveymac69 know Mustaine has credit for Mechanix/4 horsemen, Jump in the Fire, Metal Militia, Phantom Lord. he wrote the main riffs and lyrics for those
bravesfan528 3 months ago 13
@bravesfan528 Mustaine has credit for this song too.
Torgeytits 2 months ago
@Torgeytits i know. he also has credit for call of ktulu. i was just mentioning Kill em all stuff
bravesfan528 2 months ago
@bravesfan528 +Call of Ktulu
ManiacFromGreece 2 months ago
@ManiacFromGreece i know dave had credits on ride the lightning for this song and ktulu
bravesfan528 2 months ago
@steveymac69 I feel sorry for you for thinking that. If you look into things more you'd find out that mustiane invented the spider chord, which is used many times in this song. You would also find out that most of metallica's first 2 albums music was written by him, and some of those songs cliff helped out. songs dave wrote for them:Ride the lightning, mechanix, seek and destroy, for whom the bell tolls(with cliff's help), Trapped under ice, creeping death and many others I can't name(nomoreroom
gungutuzero 3 months ago
@gungutuzero I feel sorry for you fort thinking you have a life at all. 6 out of 18 "co-written" songs is hardly most of there first two albums, but you believe what you want, cheif. Mechanix being the only song he wrote entirely on his own, so metalica just changed the words, wich is a much better song since metalica wrote way better lyrics, making it co-written. He did not write "seek,for whom,trapped,creeping," if he did he'd say so cuz he claims to have written parts of leper.
steveymac69 3 months ago
@steveymac69 I meant wrote entirely on his own. but since they rewrote the lyrics after kicking him out, he only co-wrote the four hourseman, wich In my opinion is way better lyrics.
steveymac69 3 months ago
Dudes, Dave only did a little work on a few songs on the Killers album, which is the worst metallica album, so get over this fascination with Dave Mustaine.
Newsensation1978 5 months ago
@Newsensation1978 you dont know shit so go listen to death magnetic.
BBFOXHOUND 5 months ago
@BBFOXHOUND And? Mustain left Metallica in like '83. Since then he basically has not done anything for metallica, let alone do 2008 shit. Kirk was on Death Magnetic. So what is exactly the shit I don't know, bad ass?
Newsensation1978 5 months ago
@Newsensation1978 Really I didn t know of this Metallica album called Killers thought that was a Maiden album but could be wrong lol itd Kill EM All and its a great album not only because Dave helped write 75% of the material. Kirk thought his solos were so good he recorded them almost note for note guess he new he couldn t improve on perfection
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panterabls1 4 months ago
@panterabls1 My bad. meant kill em all. 4 out of 10 is not 75%. Its 40% dude. Yes, he co wrote 4 of the songs with lars and james. It's the worst Metallica album, anyway. May be second to worst. The new shit is not impressive at all. Kind of easy to see how I got confused though. Killers is not that impressive at all either. Each has 1 or 2 good songs. Thats it. Compared, they are the worst complete albums from Metallica and Maiden.
Newsensation1978 4 months ago
@Newsensation1978 you say kill em all is their worst album? dude that was one of first thrash metal album,thrash in their roots! you are just bloody waggermetalheads who think that a metal song should have thicker voice and guitar tuned down...fuck i hate people who miss the best thing >.<
metalzombiebass 4 months ago
@metalzombiebass Dude agreed. It's one of the first thrash metal albums, which is in their roots. How can you even compare a masterpiece like Master of Puppets to Kill em All??? OK. Kill em All is thrash. Master of Puppets is rock at its finest. If you rather bitch about people who have hearing abilities to distinguish beauty from unpleasantness, ok, but dont hate them.
Newsensation1978 4 months ago
@Newsensation1978 I thought the Killers is Iron maiden dude, oh and dude,kill em all is one of there best. So go listen to whiskey in a jar, 2x4 or some other crap, dude.
steveymac69 3 months ago
@steveymac69 I got both albums at a "nice price" in cassette format from Walmart or some shit like 25 years ago, and they are both are the worst piece of works from Metallica and Maiden, respectively, so its easy to see how I got confused.
Newsensation1978 3 months ago
@Newsensation1978 matter of opinion, not fact. I can listen to that album front to back. for true thrash fans, not the band wagon jumpers and fad chasers. This album was made with love for what they believed in, not money. Imo, its there third best album only edged out by Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. Puppets is a masterpiece in arraingment, but I personaly find Kill em to be a masterpiece in strip down rawness and aggression. The first Thrash album ever recorded.
steveymac69 3 months ago
@Newsensation1978 I also enjoy Killers and liked Paul Di'Anno, but cant argue that one being a great album, but can say it was an influence on all young thrash bands yet to be formed and an evolutoinary album in Harris' writing skills. Honestly the musicality and all the elements of what was to come. Metal and thrash was meant to be raw and aggresive, not pretty and pop freindly. there was a name for that fluffy metaland people who listened to it. POSERS.
steveymac69 3 months ago
@steveymac69 Master of Puppets I think is "pretty" and "pop friendly." Is that bad? Stop being a hater. I know it goes well with the bad ass metal attitude, but beauty is beauty. Master of Puppets will always be their best album ever, and probably the best musical compilation ever made.
Newsensation1978 3 months ago
@Newsensation1978 At the time it wasnt so pop freindly, walls still needed to brought down, wich puppets had a big part in that. Including the use of and evolution of the taboo guitar tab, wich led minions of people to pick up a guitar. We both agree its a masterpiece. Beautiful yes, It starts of pretty, but quickly turns pretty brutal, then chuggy, then epic, then maybe pretty, twisted and your only pop freindly moment, and then its just brutal brutal epic and brutal.Nothatin
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Newsensation1978 3 months ago
@Newsensation1978 It just doesnt get better than that, even if we dont agree on kill 'em all.
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@steveymac69 Man, I just heard all tracks on master of puppets. Like I thought, BLOWN away. Every track is solid gold. That album is everything. Man growing up I remember like 9 or 10 years old, snug in bed late at nIght and playing a master of puppets tape my sister had given me on my walkman over and over again, eventually falling asleep to Orion or Damage, Inc. or somethin...I AM SO SERIOUS.
Newsensation1978 3 months ago
@Newsensation1978 your a pop fag
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Newsensation1978 3 months ago
@JayT851 Your one mean bad ass fucking retard.
Newsensation1978 3 months ago
There is no way Dave played those solos.
mattman1127 5 months ago
@mattman1127 He did he wrote all of these song basically.
kingdiamondtheeye 5 months ago
That's obviously not Dave on vocals lmao
GeorgeTheJoker780 5 months ago
did anyone else notice that the solos backing rhythm is way cooler on this than on the record?
jojothedemolisher 5 months ago
NOT DAVE! i heard the "eeeaah" Dave doesn't have a "eeeaah" not Dave.
jojothedemolisher 5 months ago
This was NOT with Mustain and McGovney... Morons..
greg0rius 5 months ago
@09TexasTitan Ron Mcgoverney or something bro :)
ripboco 5 months ago
@09TexasTitan Cliff was in the band long before they got rid of Mustaine, so no.
Morbutt 5 months ago
This is the mighty James much younger
StefanPribagu 5 months ago
Those who said this isnt James have not listen to any pre-Justice Metallica songs.....
TeacherLegendary 5 months ago
Is this really dave on this solos because if it is kirk really stole his solo and style.
megadeth1056 5 months ago
Is this really dave on this solos because if it is kirk really stole his solo and style.
megadeth1056 5 months ago
BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Fuck this garbage band!!!!!!! BOOOO!!!
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MrWWEThemeSongs1V2 5 months ago
I seen them with Mustaine, not knowing who the fuck they were, and not caring either. The band rocked, and later, I thanked the metal head I just met at work that asked me to drive him there that night. What an amazing performance.
TheCozybear65 5 months ago
Dave Mustaine had absolutely NOTHING to do with the "Ride" demos. These came out after KeA was released and he was kicked out before that album was recorded. Also, Dave never, ever sang one single song in Metallica, ever. Every demo you've ever heard from Metallica has James on vocals.
pleasuretokill 5 months ago
@pleasuretokill Dave wrote this song too ¬¬ Call of Ktulu too or Hangar 18 is just a dad copy that song! ¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
mariodik 5 months ago
@pleasuretokill But i agree with you, this is not dave
mariodik 5 months ago
It's James, you can tell from the first second he starts singing
WMGsuck 5 months ago
@WMGsuck probably because dave is on guitar not vocals!! dumbass!
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