Voennoe Delo: SU-32, SU-34! Russian Airforce Jet Bomber! (English subtitles)

[aGentleUser]

great video and i am really very happy about the subtitles!! thx a lot!

[BitnikGr]

Latest declassified information discovered that SU-34 was used in Russian-Georgian war in August 2008.

It was used as counter-measure aircraft to suppress Georgian Air-Defence and it is claimed that SU-34 have destroyed a radar site near Gori.

[lilian20ful]

Во время ВОВ немцы создали танк который один на один легко мог замочить Т-34. Но тигров немцы сделали мало, поэтому проиграли войну.

Что толку от этих Су-32, 34, даже если они супер мега самолеты, если их будут производить в небольшом количестве.

[BitnikGr]

@lilian20ful Танковые дуэли один на один это сферовакуумная фантазия. Войны так не выигрываются. Что толку от такого танка если его невозможно производить в нужных количествах и что толку от такого танка если он своим ходом не может доехать до поля битвы. Потому и проиграли, потому что повелись Гитлеровской гигантоманией сложнейшей техники.

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Читай новости. Их уже 16, в след. году уже будет 32. В целом заказано 120 для формирования 5 эскадрилей по 24 в каждой.

[moonpiligrim]

Проблема в том что их мало, а авиазаводы подвержены ракетному удару. Россию спасёт целенапрваленное развитие ракетной техники. Сверхскоростных, умных, управляемых за тысячи км ракет.

[BitnikGr]

@moonpiligrim "Сверхскоростных, умных, управляемых за тысячи км ракет." - Это называется "ядерный щит" для обеспечения взаимного уничтожения в случае ядерной атаки. А в локальных войнах и конфликтах ядерными ракетами не пошвыряешься. Ударная авиация всегда была нужна. СУ-25/39, СУ-34 нужны обязательно!

[Evgeniy19800627]

Скоро авиация США потеряет статус самой сильной ВВС в мире!

[BitnikGr]

@Evgeniy19800627 Да не... думаю не скоро!

[Evgeniy19800627]

@BitnikGr Думаю лет 15-20...

[BitnikGr]

@Evgeniy19800627 Сейчас на дворе 2011. Российский ПАК-ФА войдет в строй к 2020году. Пока его наклепают хотя бы в тех же количествах что и Ф-22, пройдет еще лет 5. По самолетам поколений 4 и 4+ США имеет явное численное преимущество. Самое интересное, что Россия произвела примерно столько же, сколько и США, но больше половины ушли на экспорт. Т.е. если брать весь мир, то Россиских самолетов 4го поколения, может даже чуть больше чем американских.

График у Индии и Китая еще более поздний...

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[Evgeniy19800627]

@BitnikGr Я учитываю все факторы.И главный из них - это крах экономики США.ПАК-ФА гораздо дешевле и легче в серийном производстве.В серию его планируют запустить в 2015 году.За пять лет много можно будет наштамповать.Ди и Китай с Индией тоже не дремлют.Короче на фоне падения экономик Запада,в странах БИРИКС экономика ростет...

[BitnikGr]

@Evgeniy19800627 ...

Так что да, 20 лет до потери США господства в воздухе - это возможный сценарий, но слишком уж оптимистичный. Т.е. для России должно пойти все абсолютно классно на 150%, а США должны попасть в большую задницу... что пока не предвидится. Наклепать еще 200 Ф-22 они могут. 2 орбитальных Х-37Б уже запустили. Начали разработку истребителя 6го поколения...

Я даю лет 50... Это более реальные сроки, но опять же никто не может предсказать, что будет через 50 лет.

[Evgeniy19800627]

@BitnikGr Вы не правы!Именно крах экономики США уже очевиден.Нужно учитывать внешний долг,падение ВВП,идеологический и социальные кризисы...много чего короче.

Я не спорю что перед Россией множество трудностей и опасностей,в том числе и всякого рода "бархатные" революции.Но если все будет так-же стабильно развиваться в России,то очевидно мы сможем выйти в лидеры.

[BitnikGr]

@Evgeniy19800627 Крах то очевиден. Но время этого краха еще не предвидится в ближайшем будущем. Можно принять много мер, которые только продлевают агонию и оттягивают неизбежное.

[Evgeniy19800627]

@BitnikGr Согласен,эти меры они сейчас активно использут.Но рынок уже перенасыщен их бумажным долларом,ВВП и социалка неуклонно падают,идеологический кризисс...Нет,не долго им осталось.Как бы очередную войну они не начали.

[2alegatora]

@Evgeniy19800627 давай-давай, молись :))) Комики, блин

[Evgeniy19800627]

@2alegatora Шо?

[daniyar331313]

@Evgeniy19800627 Hui vi stanete liderami!

Zachem zavidovat amreikancom ?

Oni umnee vas i silnee!

daje yaponci -u nih net nihuya resursov no vse ravno oni silnee vas!

Menshe nado pit vodku!

[BitnikGr]

@daniyar331313 Это плохой комментарий!

Во-первых, материтесь не зная человека, а беседа у нас была на уровне.

Во-вторых, Евгений представитель великой страны и глупо отрицать, что Россия не великая страна.

Даже если Россия нигде не первая по сравнению с США, а везде вторая, вы то и ваша страна где в этом списке? Технологии? Инновации? Прогресс? В России хоть и говневенькие но есть свои ВАЗ, ГАЗ, Урал, Камаз... у вас что-нибудь свое есть?

Так что, чья бы корова мычала...

[moonpiligrim]

@BitnikGr Уже даже УВЫ не вторая.и пятая даже. Доедаем советское наследие.

[BitnikGr]

@moonpiligrim Период разрухи закончен. Развивайтесь... этому нет никаких преград. Мир экономически теперь объединен. Недостаточные технологии теперь можно просто купить и развивать свои продукты. Еще раз повторю. В мире около 220 стран. Даже нахождение в 5ке лучших в любой области это большое достижение. Граждане таких стран могут гордиться своей страной и могут критиковать своих конкурентов. Это нормально. Меня бесит когда маймуны из какой-то дыры обсирают страны-лидеры. Например т. daniyar.

[BitnikGr]

@daniyar331313 В будущем, пожалуйста, воздержитесь от мата если хотите быть услышанным.

[SovjetPhoenix]

@daniyar331313 Amerikancy v orgomnyx dolgax zastrjali a yaposhki pomirajut ot katastrofi v Fukushima. V Evrope tozhe hujna, tut im nada podumat kak pomo4 grekam z dengami.

[daniyar331313]

@SovjetPhoenix A u vas nikogda problem ne bilo da?

Krizis vas toje kasnulis -u vas v Rossi dohuya sokrashenie bila!

Vasha armya sokrashyaetsya ti teper podumai ot chego eto?

[BitnikGr]

@daniyar331313 Продолжаешь страдать дебилизмом? Ну-ну.

Все европейские страны сокращают свои танковые войска до 1/10! Голландия, Швейцария, Австрия... даже Великобритания, которая вообще свернуло производство Челенджеров и остановила заводы. Неужели из-за кризиса?

А то что современенные армии воюют с конфликтах малой активности никак не причина, да? Спрашивается нафиг иметь 3000 танков если используются 200-300? Тем более когда роль бронетехники на поле боя сегодня меняется.

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[BitnikGr]

@daniyar331313 ...

Сокращение в РА тоже проходит тоже только в бронетанковых войсках. Остальные виды наоборот только наращиваются. До 2020 в сухопутных войсках мало что изменится. Приоритет бюджета РВСН, авиация и флот. Что из всего этого есть в твоей стране?

С 2012 даже военный бюджет США начнет сокращаться. Неужто из-за кризиса? Или просто когда суммы превосходят нужды, можно и сократить... независимо от кризисов?

[BitnikGr]

@daniyar331313 ...

"В будущем, пожалуйста, воздержитесь от мата если хотите быть услышанным." - Это я тебе писал месяц назад. Обращаясь к тебе на Вы, с уважением, и убедительной просьбой. Тебе видимо наплевать...

По-этому, мы прощаемся с дебилом, тролем, провокатором ну и просто безграмнотным, малообразованным быдлом.

[SovjetPhoenix]

@daniyar331313 Ya zhyl v Kazakhstane, ya pomnu 4to tam bylo. No v etom byl Yelcin venovat a ne russki narod. A kak Putin stal Presidentom Rossij vso izmenilos i stala lu4e. Ya znaju 4to u nas est problemi v rossij no ne tak' ush bolshyi kak v ameriki ili v evrope. V rossij hotja'by esho bablo est a v ameriki im skora prijdetsa kopejki shitat.

[shammy63]

@daniyar331313 ne ebi mozgi,

ya sam kazah/tatarin iz almaty.

rossiya nash samyi glavnyi soyuznik, i vsegda za nas vstryanet.

esli by ne rossiya to tvoi amerikosy davno uzhe by u nas vysosali vsyu neft'.

rasspostranili by svoi mcdonaldsy is sdelalili iz nas marionetku pod tipa pol'shi tam, ili latvii...

[Herculait]

Да да пендосы.... пиздец вам. 

[BitnikGr]

Russian Air Force will receive 6 more of these planes till the end of 2010. (in 1.5 months)

[69freeman]

I lived and grew up in a soviet sattellite, and when i came to canada i saw the giant gap in the technology, and i had the benefit of a completely free press and any book i wanted to form an opinion-I'm not gullible, i'm well educated, i think critically and the differences in advancement between the west and russia are still huge-russia is still struggling with the horrible residue of totalitarianism-it will take decades to fix, if ever...my opinion, sorry

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman It is all true considering everyday life and civilian technologies.

All of your comments are politically centered and you preffer to speak about evil KGB and bad totalitarism and sucker Stalinists etc. While most of my translated videos are purely about military hardware without political dimension.

All you said is correct... with military industry being the only exception. The gap here is not so giant as many like to beleive. And who has to catch whom is an arguable subject.

[69freeman]

russian technology has definitely had some interesting and unique design elements, but something that doesn't get mentioned much is the fact that russia achieved technological advancement in the soviet years thru stealing technology from the western european countries and USA-one of the main goals of USSR espionage was industrial/military-now that Putin has oil and gas money he's flexing the totalitarian muscle-with the help of the russian church this time-hmmm.

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman You explained why you are so anti-russian everything... but it is not right way to see at things. Why do you beleive that American industrial espionage was less than Soviet one? Why do you beleive that USSR stole-copied-reverseengineered everything, and US didn't?

Both countries benefited a lot from German technologies and scientists and their researches after WW II. US always had examples of Soviet fighter planes (MiG-21/25/27/29, SU-27). USSR never had in possesion F-4/14/15/16...

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr I don't hate everything russian-i hate what russia did to my country and my family, i hate that i had to escape and leave everything because i might end up in jail for telling a joke...i hate hypocrites-decades of soviet rule and a forced belief in a cynical system that, as soon as ussr collapsed, all former "believers" turned capitalist and raped the country's wealth. USSR was not much different than Nazi Germany

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman ... Despite that they were still producing great fighters.

Not everything captured by Soviets was adopted and reverse-engineered. Many examples of western technology were dropped as insufficient and worse than Soviet analogues. Both countries had advantages in different areas of military industry and their secret services was doing everything possible to reveal secrets of the "supposed enemy".

You say that Soviets were stealing everything... but they had raised their own scientists

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[69freeman]

@BitnikGr on this topic see "Victor Belenko" who escaped with a MIG 25 in the 70's-when examined, the americans were astonished at how primitive the technology was-50's tech in the 70's-vacuum tubes ans a steel plane, but boy, it could go mach 3, then the engines melted...strikes me as typical russian-lots of power-not much finesse.

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman "Thanks to the use of vacuum tubes, the MiG-25P's original Smerch-A (Tornado, NATO reporting name "Foxfire") radar had enormous power — about 600 kilowatts.

As with most Soviet aircraft, the MiG-25 was designed to be as rugged as possible. Moreover, the use of vacuum tubes makes the aircraft's systems more resistant to an electromagnetic pulse, for example after a nuclear blast."

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman "Whether this design was a result of technology decades behind the West or was a deliberate attempt to harden the aircraft against a nuclear blast is open to debate, as it is speculated that the Soviet Union knew about EMP effects of nuclear blasts long before Western governments did."

"However it is worth noting that vacuum tubes are arguably more resistant, perhaps by a factor of thousands, to electromagnetic interference than transistors."

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman "Currently, the MiG-25 holds the following records: * Altitude with no payload: 37,650m or 124,245ft, set on August 31, 1977. * Altitude with a 1000kg payload: 37,650m or 124,245ft,set on July 25, 1973. * Altitude with a 2000kg payload: 37,650m or 124,245ft, set on July 25, 1973. * Absolute altitude: 37,650m or 124,245ft, set on July 25, 1973.

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[BitnikGr]

@69freeman --- * Time to climb to 30,000m or 99,000ft: 3 minutes 10 seconds, set on May 17, 1975. As a comparison, the Streak Eagle reached 29,825m or 98,425ft in 3 minutes 27.8 seconds. Pretty close. * Average speed over a 100km closed circuit with no payload: 2,605.10km/h or 1,628.19mph, set on April 8, 1975.

Records from Fédération Aéronautique Internationale."

35years old records to be beaten!

Not bad for 70s rogue and mass production plane with technologies of 50s, huh?

[69freeman]

Respond to this video...lets take the most powerful of the weapons-the atomic bomb-russia had an exact copy from the stolen plans taken by the rosenbergs-would any of the other scary nuclear players in the world today be nuclear without that theft? Russia armed and spread communism,,,as Kchruschev said while banging the podium with his shoe, that the world would be communist soon-you think this was worth fighting?

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman I dind't get you here. Whom do you call scary nuclear players? China, India, Pakistan?

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To the end of WW II there was not a single ready atomic bomb yet. If the first Soviet atomic bomb was a result of EXACT captured German plans... yes it might be. Same goes to US first atomic bombs also. They used everything they could what they captured in Germany. I can't see how is it any different.

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr If you caqn find the book where you are-read Orlov's memoirs of his time as the second in command of the USSR next to Stalin-you will understand why the west looks at russia as messed up place-everything now flows from then, and the same attitudes are returning, only the KGB have learned how to manipulate the people and the media better.

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman Yes... it is true and in September of 2008 Putin actually admitted this. That Western media are better manipulated and people are misleaded and brainwashed with more neet techniques. FSB and Russian media has a lot to learn yet from their Western colleagues.

From whom do you think KGB learned to manipulate media better?

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr absolutely true, but here we don't kill people for telling truth to power, and everybody has a choice of multiple forms of info. The US has done some really nasty things, but freedom of speach is a law, and heavily defended, so the system corrects itself because the govt actually answers to voters-if the govt does something stupid, criminal etc, say goodbey. Bush is a joke here now, after 8 yrs of stupidity, hence Obama, and so on

[69freeman]

Respond to this video...freedom of speach is the most important law here, next to seperation of church and state, altho that is a constant battle, as the forces of the religious are a real threat to freedom here. religion is the biggest enemy of the people in the US at the moment.

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman Since you live in Canada I think that you know that more than almost all state of art US technologies today are developed by "imported" minds. Why? Cause being an engineer or designer or material researcher is not prestigious in US. Only children of first generation American immigrants go to such areas. From second generation and later everyone want's to become a lawyer, a doctor, a plastic surgeary, or pop star celebrity or psychologist etc...

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[69freeman]

@BitnikGr yes, I agree, but that is the beauty of Canada and the USA-everybody is an immigrant-in the 80's/90's was eastern european, now its asian, previous decades it was polish, italian, german etc-the society is about inclusion and assimilation while retaining your own cultural identity...I hate some aspects of this society, but they are trivial-in general there is no rabid nationalism-we don't have a huge Nazi party, or anything of the kind-they're marginal.

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr is this so bad? we have an endless influx of hungry minds looking for success and wealth-every culture that comes here gets along in general, and embraces the idea of the american drea-that if you work hard enough you can achieve anything you want, and even tho harder, that is still very possible-there is choice in everything, and endless opportunity if you want it-if you want to be a fat lazy american, you can do that too-anything wrong with that?? See you soon

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman No, nothing wrong with this. Actually it is great! My point wasn't there.

My point is that one country cannot accuse other on stealing, when itself produces everything with help of "imported" minds and nothing 100% pure American.

Despite the huge leak of brilliant minds from Soviet Union and separation into 15 countries, Russia still manages to produce high-tech with their own raised scientists. And is some areas it is still ahead of US and Europe.

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr is this so bad? we have an endless influx of hungry minds looking for success and wealth-every culture that comes here gets along in general, and embraces the idea of the american dream-that if you work hard enough you can achieve anything you want, and even tho harder, that is still very possible-there is choice in everything, and endless opportunity if you want it-if you want to be a fat lazy american, you can do that too-anything wrong with that?? See you soon

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman Just couple of weeks ago World Olympics for junior programmers have took place. First place was won by China, second by US and 3rd by Russia. Interesting fact was that more than half of kids in US team had chinese origin.

[vanvideo9]

Man, I love the "Platypus." It even has a galley. It's amazing the access we now have to Russia's military hardware. US and NATO intelligence agencies would have killed for this video 20 years ago. Now, it's up on YouTube for all the world to see.

[AlexanderSigal]

This plane is great. i dont think its outdated in any way. yes, it was long ago when they started building these, but this is totally different plane now. it has new radars, new electronics, new weapons and new everything. everyone says how American planes are so advanced and super dooper. but most important thing about any military hardware is reliability and Russians are best at that. Why do you think whole world buys russian stuff?

[alexalva27]

@AlexanderSigal I think that many countries buy Russian stuff because it is easy to purchase. Usually the U.S. only sells military equipment to its allies and even then most of this equipment is not the latest, while Russia usually sells military equipment to anyone that can pay for it, including modern equipment. As far as quality they are both good, yet Russian weapons are much easier to acquire. Many countries are not allowed to buy U.S. weapons.

[AlexanderSigal]

@alexalva27 I really don't think that is the reason.

[alexalva27]

@AlexanderSigal The latest US technology is not available on the market such as the F-22. Most countries that are capable of purchasing weapons from the United States usually do such as the NATO allies. If you look at US allies, most of them prefer to use U.S. weapons and in many cases such as Israel they have done so with much success. Another reason is price, American weapons are often more expensive. Many countries like Iran, Venezuela and NK cannot buy weapons from US so they buy from Russia

[BitnikGr]

@alexalva27 Hmm... only one point here. Many ppl talks about how greatly and fast Israel military industry developed since 1948... But they ommit to mention that Israel receives annually about $3billions from the USA for their military budget.

Couple of days ago there were news that Israel will by 20 F-35, without weapons at total price of $2.8bils. Actually, they will get them for free.

Hell, my country wouldn't have to cut military budget if we were receiving $3bils each year!

[alexalva27]

@BitnikGr Yes Israel does receive a considerable amount of aid from its allies however they are also very dedicated to maintaining and developing a strong military. If you look at their Budget they are just behind Spain and Turkey, yet they have developed their military industry much more than these two countries. Obviously aid from their allies makes a big difference but so does their will to create and maintain a strong military. Israel's budget might be small but they are very dedicated.

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr something else you fail to mention:America has been in existance for roughly 300 yrs and in that time has sold its music, culture, arms, cars, technology etc to most of the world. Other than weapons tech, I don't see anyone rushing out to adopt russian "culture" let alone tech, music or much business. Having a gas monopoly doesn't make you likeable-rather more hated. free competition, communication+press=success-no­t KGB run govts.

[MrSLAVA39]

@alexalva27 And the Russian weapon isn't worse than the American

[MrSLAVA39]

@MrSLAVA39 ты кто такой чтобы по Русски говорить?в рот я ебал твою америку! сука !да и тебя тоже ! приезжай ко мне , выебу тебя пидор!

[BitnikGr]

@MrSLAVA39 Это ты сам себе? :)))

Обычно я удаляю матовые комментарии... но этот случай оставлю специально :)))

[AlexanderSigal]

@alexalva27 dude, USA has like half of the world of allies. Other countries buy Russian weapons because its smarter to spend $300 mil for 3 su-35 than just 1 f-22. Russian weapons might not look like toys, but they work well on the battlefields. Reliability is a very important factor when you talking about people's lives.

[alexalva27]

@AlexanderSigal American weapons are also very reliable. In terms of quality they are both good like I said, but to say that an Su-35 is more reliable than an F-22 is a stretch. If anything this has to do with price and not reliability or quality. Russia sells more weapons because their prices are lower and the U.S. doesn't sell it's latest technology, and won't even sell old technology to certain countries. I understand that you like your planes, but that doesn't mean that their quality is best

[AlexanderSigal]

@alexalva27 I understand that you trying to promote your country's achievements, and understand that for you American planes are better. I respect your loyalty, so please be so kind and try to understand, that for me, my planes are the best ones.

[alexalva27]

@AlexanderSigal Ok agreed. Different planes have different advantages as well as disadvantages and it depends on the preference and skill of pilots.

[BitnikGr]

@alexalva27 "the U.S. only sells military equipment to its allies and even then most of this equipment is not the latest," - It was kinda the same during Cold War Era. Very seldom the latest equipment was sold or givven to other countries. Usually it was also a very downgraded versions very well known today as "monkey models".

Today Russia also sells many weapon systems with addition of letter "E" to the official index. This "E" stands for Export.

Kornet-E is not as good as Kornet.

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[BitnikGr]

@alexalva27 Iskander-E is not as good as Iskander.

When T-90S were sold to India, it was the best available T-90 version. Just after couple of years Russian T-90A surpasses export version (T-90S) in many critical parameters.

From the other hands, in world of Free Market today Russia cannot sell vastly downgraded monkey models and they go to Market with their latest platforms. T-90, SU-35, MiG-35 etc...

[MrSLAVA39]

@alexalva27 Has as though arrived the USA on a place of Russia? From Russia зделали a harm citadel! Than Russia never was! Your lie isn't less than in Russia! Think that I to you have told!

[alexalva27]

@MrSLAVA39 I don't understand what you are trying to say. скажите мне на русском языке. Я понимаю вас лучше. I'm sorry but I don't understand your English.

[BitnikGr]

@alexalva27 :)))

Translation from Google Russian-to-English to normal English:

"Has the USA been in place of Russia? The US made from Russia a cradle of all evils, which Russia never was. Lies in your country are not less than in Russia. Think about that I have told you."

[69freeman]

@BitnikGr it may not be a "cradle" but it was a grave for thousands of dissidents for decades-i got to grow up in a Russian dominated eastern bloc country and had to escape soa as not to get killed or jailed for thinking the wrong thing-don't try to downplay Stalin, Khruschev, Brezchnev, Chernyenko, and all the old invisible fuckers of the politbureau. Nobody was motivated to escape a western country for any reason. the difference is always having a choice-which is still a Russian problem

[BitnikGr]

@69freeman :) Don't say it to me. Say it to @MrSLAVA, because I just translated what he wanted to say with help of Google translator.

I don't have any sentimental feelings for that harsh regime and I agree with you here. Having a choice probably wasn't a problem. Problem was consequences if you haven't made "the right choice".

From all post Soviet countries today Baltic states and Russian Federation has probably the highest level of democracy than any other Soviet Republic.

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[BitnikGr]

@69freeman ...

Election results show it clearly. Medvedev was nominated by 5 of 8 parties and gathered 70+% of votes. While most of Asiatic, Caucasus countries have some kind of life-time presidents with 95+% votes for one candidate. Belorusia is going in same pattern. Democracy of Ukraine is a joke.

Democracy of Russian Federation is somewhere in transitional stage today. It can evolve in modern democracy or drop back to Stalinism-like regime with same probabilities. 50/50.

[BitnikGr]

@AlexanderSigal Buying anyone's stuff is usually a political matter, than economical or matter of effectiveness. It was even more clear during Cold War Era.

[goodspeedy666]

"this increases co-operation and reduces fatigue" - BS, dezinformation. They did choose this scheme because of need for more space for bigger and specific radar. My friend works in Leninez, he says this radar is masterpiece.

[BitnikGr]

Ok... so, because of bigger radar they made so spacious cabin. Is it bad? Or which layout is really more comfortable? One behind another or arm-to-arm?

If new AESA radar had same dimensions, would Sukhoi designers put pilots one behind another as usual or why not to try this kind of layout? Or does it have a negative effect to overall flying characteristics and maneuverability?

I suppose for medium and long range bombers, comfort isn't last parameter to take in mind...

[BitnikGr]

One of great things of being president of Russian Federation.

/watch?v=Vs6kxk-8U78

He can have a ride with SU-32!!!

[PKSnsk]

If they ever make a civilian version of it, I bet Travolta will immediately buy one :)

[BitnikGr]

@PKSnsk Well, one Canadian AF pilot bought a decommisioned MiG-21 and spent 3 years in order to make it flyable again. Unfortunately, I guess John is not able to wait for 25-30years to buy one "old" Su-32.

[psq007]

skoree zdet "bolshoe budushee" - ww3.

[Eikel66]

What a fantastic plane!! Beautifull! Fuck the American F15 or F18. The're nothing but shit!!

[BitnikGr]

I wouldn't say that. F-15 is the first 4th generation plane in the world. At its time it was really superb... and now almost 30years later it is still admitable opponent for every aircraft.

Direct comparision might also not be correct. F-15 was designated as air superiority fighter and ground strike capabilities were added later.

Meanwhile SU32, 34 is a jet bomber and air-to-air missiles are added to give him some defensive level from enemy fighters.

[BitnikGr]

What I want to say is that no one will send SU32, 34 on CAP mission or to escort other bombers. It is a bomber by itself.

[Catchaspoon]

@Eikel66 lol ok fag.

[alexalva27]

@Eikel66 the F-15 is almost 30 years older and the F-18 is also much older than the Su-32. Of course the Su-32 is better, Russia wouldn't spend the money and resources to develop a crappy plane. Instead of comparing modern Russian planes to old American ones, you should be comparing planes from the same time period. I mean anyone can diss on an outdated model just like I could say that the p-51 mustang or the IL-2 Sturmovik suck but that is only because they are outdated.

[BitnikGr]

@alexalva27 good point...

[KristianPIVARAC]

Phenomenal

[BitnikGr]

Beautifull plane! Full of grace! I wish I coudn't just sit in that cockpit once!

[380800]

You can actually "walk around" in that fighter. :O

[BitnikGr]

eeeh... bomber :)