@PIKAMONjake Don't you see the relationship? Child porn and postmodernism fit together like hand and glove. Thank you for pointing this out. One is physical, one is philosophical - same result!
@fuleng72 Your impression of the Bible comes from Marx and Lenin rather than the Bible itself. The Romans persecuted Christians and the Normans were Catholics, they barely used the Bible - it was banned in English and French both.
Job and the Torah, the first books, were written about 2000BC. Revelation, the last book, 90 AD. If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer. Perhaps you should look into biblical prophecy. The prophecy for America's near future isn't good. Cheers.
@fuleng72 The truth is that the Bible incites the people against tyrants. That's why it backfired on King Henry VIII for instance. Bible based governments like early America, Calvin's Geneva, and the Dutch Republic are free. Job and Abraham lived about 2000 BC, Job dates from this time. Moses penned the Torah about 1400 BC from sources dating back to Abraham's time. If you get your biblical knowledge from Lenin, of course you're going to see the Bible as "bad". I suggest you read it one time.
@BWFSabian I'd be happy to answer any Bible questions, or try to discuss philosophy as best I can (my background is science) but unfortunately I can't understand how it is that you acquaint a 4000-year-old book of prophecy and divinity with a a soft-soled, heelless shoe for infants. Perhaps I could defend the scripture more to your benefit if I knew why you think the Bible is like a child's shoe. Alfred Nobel? Nobel prize? You don't like prizes? I'll help you if I can!
Well, I have more of a science than a philosophical background, but try these: 1) The existence of anything at all implies a creator. Nothing does not produce something. 2) The fact that we are personal implies that we are not the product of material alone 3) Conscience. Recognition of good and evil imply a universal standard given by a creator. 4) Consciousness - how can the material produce it? 5) Miracles. A single violation of physical law proves the supernatural exists. Can you deny these?
@alyosha24601 you falsely assume personal truths translate into collective policies. i think i should be nice to be neighbor, so i will. i think religion is a sham designed to pacify the masses and ensure control remains with a few elites, so i don't recognize religion. postmodernism can only reveal the intent and effects of different beliefs, it is up to individuals to apply that knowledge. (i hate the character limit on comments....)
@shaeok True, that's what the Czar used religion for, but aren't you assuming all religion is a false product of a controller? What if there is a religion that actually came from your creator? Would you then not have an obligation to follow? Postmodernism assumes all worldviews are equally false - what if this assumption is wrong? It is completely man-centered!
@shaeok I WANT TO KNOW HOW A POSTMODERNIST ANSWERS THIS QUESTION: Hitler created a mobile killing squad which routinely hanged Jewish children in Poland, for instance, three-year-old little girls, ropes around their necks, from trees. Other toddlers were set on fire alive. Now here is the question: Was this wrong?
@alyosha24601 postmodernism has nothing to do with 'failed culture'. it is the natural movement towards a recognition of human motivations underlying claims to absolute truth. it's a false dichotomy to claim that the alternative to absolute truth is chaos: the alternative is difference and equality whereas absolute truth produces totalitarianism. modern biology shows that humans aren't self-serving, they've evolved to work in groups for the good of the community.
@shaeok says: "modern biology shows that humans aren't self-serving, they've evolved to work in groups for the good of the community." You're a smart fellow, probably smarter than me - but this is ridiculous. People are selfish. They don't work for others' good unless forced. Don't you lock your house? Haven't you ever met someone in the army? How many times has a stranger given you money? Tried to take your money? Let's leave this silly comment out. People are naturally selfish.
@alyosha24601 you have still failed to provide ANY evidence for the existence of god. molecules only prove that atoms form together in different combinations, it has nothing to do with god - it's called chemistry.
@shaeok says "you have still failed to provide ANY evidence for the existence of god." If you'll hang on, I'll get to science. But, may I ask, if you heard definitive proof, would you embrace a hated religion? Or still not?
@alyosha24601 similar to religion postmodernism deconstructs the role of science: what counts as evidence, what motivates particular scientific inquiry. nazi's were motivated to study genetics because of their racist beliefs. while many of their discoveries on genetics were scientific breakthroughs they were all motivated by a false belief in the superiority of aryan people. postmodernism deconstructs modern science in the same way: what political motivations are behind scientific endeavors.
@alyosha24601 no contradiction with postmodernism: you're conflating metaphysical truth with simple truisms. there is a difference between accepting the truism that 12in=1ft and claiming god exists and runs the world. the former is merely a case of definitions which no one contests whereas the latter is a mere assertion that people believe without evidence. postmodernism deconstructs the power relationship created by 'absolute truths' as a mechanism of regulating populations' actions.
@shaeok Postmodernism is a worldview based on the erroneous foundation that there is no absolute truth. So, have another look at the video, perhaps you didn't quite understand my message.
@alyosha24601 first of all, your claim that postmodernism is erroneous is merely an assertion without a warrant. defenders of metaphysical truth have the burden of proof to show that absolute truth does exist. postmodernism only deconstructs what people believe to be absolute truth. second, rejecting absolute truth doesn't deny the value of tools like math and science to describe physical reality. third, diversity does not become god, god is dead. truth is defined at a personal level.
@shaeok It is the postmodernist that operates out of contradiction: How can you correct me about anything without violating your own creed? I will say I didn't know postmodernists recognize their philosophies do not apply to the physical world. If this is true, how is it the postmodern ethic keeps trying to slip into science?And, in reality, a postmodernist does not kill off God, he merely substitutes himself as god. Does God exist? The very existence of one molecule proves that he does.
@alyosha24601 part 2 of my response: you contradict yourself, if diversity is the "new god" then a dictatorship is not even possible. only under absolute truth does dictatorship become possible because it denies all other possibilities. you definitely don't understand postmodernism.
@shaeok I do understand postmodernism - but I do not agree with it. It is a philosophy spawned by a failed culture - (just look at the lives of those who cooked it up. In my opinion, it was an intellectual cover to justify their sexual abandon.) No, the dictator will not be an all-tolerant postmodernist, he will just take advantage of the chaos produced by it to impose his own, self-serving worldview. (The default human worldview) Billions of "personal truths" can not work in practice.
@PIKAMONjake Don't you see the relationship? Child porn and postmodernism fit together like hand and glove. Thank you for pointing this out. One is physical, one is philosophical - same result!
alyosha24601 1 month ago
romans and the normans used religon to control the masses and it has worked quite nicely.
bible is NOT 4000 yrs old dummy :p
fuleng72 3 months ago
@fuleng72 Your impression of the Bible comes from Marx and Lenin rather than the Bible itself. The Romans persecuted Christians and the Normans were Catholics, they barely used the Bible - it was banned in English and French both.
Job and the Torah, the first books, were written about 2000BC. Revelation, the last book, 90 AD. If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer. Perhaps you should look into biblical prophecy. The prophecy for America's near future isn't good. Cheers.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
@fuleng72 The truth is that the Bible incites the people against tyrants. That's why it backfired on King Henry VIII for instance. Bible based governments like early America, Calvin's Geneva, and the Dutch Republic are free. Job and Abraham lived about 2000 BC, Job dates from this time. Moses penned the Torah about 1400 BC from sources dating back to Abraham's time. If you get your biblical knowledge from Lenin, of course you're going to see the Bible as "bad". I suggest you read it one time.
alyosha24601 3 months ago
The bible is a book of cack and Nobel was a frenzy wanker. These are FACTS. Deal with them..
BWFSabian 4 months ago
@BWFSabian I'd be happy to answer any Bible questions, or try to discuss philosophy as best I can (my background is science) but unfortunately I can't understand how it is that you acquaint a 4000-year-old book of prophecy and divinity with a a soft-soled, heelless shoe for infants. Perhaps I could defend the scripture more to your benefit if I knew why you think the Bible is like a child's shoe. Alfred Nobel? Nobel prize? You don't like prizes? I'll help you if I can!
alyosha24601 4 months ago
Well, I have more of a science than a philosophical background, but try these: 1) The existence of anything at all implies a creator. Nothing does not produce something. 2) The fact that we are personal implies that we are not the product of material alone 3) Conscience. Recognition of good and evil imply a universal standard given by a creator. 4) Consciousness - how can the material produce it? 5) Miracles. A single violation of physical law proves the supernatural exists. Can you deny these?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 you falsely assume personal truths translate into collective policies. i think i should be nice to be neighbor, so i will. i think religion is a sham designed to pacify the masses and ensure control remains with a few elites, so i don't recognize religion. postmodernism can only reveal the intent and effects of different beliefs, it is up to individuals to apply that knowledge. (i hate the character limit on comments....)
shaeok 6 months ago
@shaeok True, that's what the Czar used religion for, but aren't you assuming all religion is a false product of a controller? What if there is a religion that actually came from your creator? Would you then not have an obligation to follow? Postmodernism assumes all worldviews are equally false - what if this assumption is wrong? It is completely man-centered!
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@shaeok I WANT TO KNOW HOW A POSTMODERNIST ANSWERS THIS QUESTION: Hitler created a mobile killing squad which routinely hanged Jewish children in Poland, for instance, three-year-old little girls, ropes around their necks, from trees. Other toddlers were set on fire alive. Now here is the question: Was this wrong?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 postmodernism has nothing to do with 'failed culture'. it is the natural movement towards a recognition of human motivations underlying claims to absolute truth. it's a false dichotomy to claim that the alternative to absolute truth is chaos: the alternative is difference and equality whereas absolute truth produces totalitarianism. modern biology shows that humans aren't self-serving, they've evolved to work in groups for the good of the community.
shaeok 6 months ago
@shaeok says: "modern biology shows that humans aren't self-serving, they've evolved to work in groups for the good of the community." You're a smart fellow, probably smarter than me - but this is ridiculous. People are selfish. They don't work for others' good unless forced. Don't you lock your house? Haven't you ever met someone in the army? How many times has a stranger given you money? Tried to take your money? Let's leave this silly comment out. People are naturally selfish.
alyosha24601 6 months ago
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acr08807 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 you have still failed to provide ANY evidence for the existence of god. molecules only prove that atoms form together in different combinations, it has nothing to do with god - it's called chemistry.
shaeok 6 months ago
@shaeok says "you have still failed to provide ANY evidence for the existence of god." If you'll hang on, I'll get to science. But, may I ask, if you heard definitive proof, would you embrace a hated religion? Or still not?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 similar to religion postmodernism deconstructs the role of science: what counts as evidence, what motivates particular scientific inquiry. nazi's were motivated to study genetics because of their racist beliefs. while many of their discoveries on genetics were scientific breakthroughs they were all motivated by a false belief in the superiority of aryan people. postmodernism deconstructs modern science in the same way: what political motivations are behind scientific endeavors.
shaeok 6 months ago
@shaeok Let me get this right though: You are not questioning math or reproducible experiment are you? That you accept as absolute truth, correct?
alyosha24601 6 months ago
@alyosha24601 no contradiction with postmodernism: you're conflating metaphysical truth with simple truisms. there is a difference between accepting the truism that 12in=1ft and claiming god exists and runs the world. the former is merely a case of definitions which no one contests whereas the latter is a mere assertion that people believe without evidence. postmodernism deconstructs the power relationship created by 'absolute truths' as a mechanism of regulating populations' actions.
shaeok 6 months ago
you clearly have no idea what postmodernism is
shaeok 7 months ago
@shaeok Postmodernism is a worldview based on the erroneous foundation that there is no absolute truth. So, have another look at the video, perhaps you didn't quite understand my message.
alyosha24601 7 months ago
@alyosha24601 first of all, your claim that postmodernism is erroneous is merely an assertion without a warrant. defenders of metaphysical truth have the burden of proof to show that absolute truth does exist. postmodernism only deconstructs what people believe to be absolute truth. second, rejecting absolute truth doesn't deny the value of tools like math and science to describe physical reality. third, diversity does not become god, god is dead. truth is defined at a personal level.
shaeok 7 months ago
@shaeok It is the postmodernist that operates out of contradiction: How can you correct me about anything without violating your own creed? I will say I didn't know postmodernists recognize their philosophies do not apply to the physical world. If this is true, how is it the postmodern ethic keeps trying to slip into science?And, in reality, a postmodernist does not kill off God, he merely substitutes himself as god. Does God exist? The very existence of one molecule proves that he does.
alyosha24601 7 months ago
Yes, please do tell me: is there agreement among postmodernists that this philosophy does not indeed apply to the physical world?
alyosha24601 7 months ago
@alyosha24601 part 2 of my response: you contradict yourself, if diversity is the "new god" then a dictatorship is not even possible. only under absolute truth does dictatorship become possible because it denies all other possibilities. you definitely don't understand postmodernism.
shaeok 7 months ago
@shaeok I do understand postmodernism - but I do not agree with it. It is a philosophy spawned by a failed culture - (just look at the lives of those who cooked it up. In my opinion, it was an intellectual cover to justify their sexual abandon.) No, the dictator will not be an all-tolerant postmodernist, he will just take advantage of the chaos produced by it to impose his own, self-serving worldview. (The default human worldview) Billions of "personal truths" can not work in practice.
alyosha24601 7 months ago
@shaeok Big question: So, tell me, is there such a thing as absolute truth?
alyosha24601 7 months ago