I'm in to shin do...and we dont learn any chair defences...and only a few wall defences...I guess it might be that im only blue belt...but i'm almost red. A lot of the wall techniques are the same as ours, but not all...
I like this. Its not perfect but its better than many other systems I have analysed. Its not often I find any thing that I cant brake down and show how bad it really is, but this "To Shin Do" wasnt one of them. Thank you
Thanks for the comments. This is only a demo of basic techniques though, we don't actually train this way. If you want to see some more advanced stuff search around on youtube. We don't show the really advanced stuff for obvious reasons.
Sweettrolls: LOL what kind of life style do you lead that you keep getting into these altercations? lol It is the person who wins, not the art. Of course, the art has to give the individual technical knowledge. A brilliant doctor saves lives post medical school training. Not all doctors are the same (even the ones who had similar education). I dont know if there is a code for street fights as far as damage done is concerned. Guess each situation is unique and a good m artist should assess
I have met good and bad martial artists over the years (as I'm sure we all have). The main difference I think was that the good fighters (even MMA / NHB guys) always kept on open mind. They always kept searching for workable techniques and adjust them wall to their bodies. Look at Liyota Machida (strong point karate background). It is the closed mindedness of the instructor that hurts students. Most good instructors were students as well.
I have to totally agree with you mate. I also studied several arts with different variances of hard and soft, I now study aikido and aikijutsu. Yes I've been in actual fights, no I've not always won although I'm better prepared nowadays. The arts give you tools to use, experience and mentality gives you the ability to use them. Most arts of the same ilk teach very similar things, the grappling arts, the striking arts etc just with different philosophies.
I'm not trying to put down To-Shin Do at all. I don't know anything about it, so have no opinion. I'm saying that many traditional schools have to adjust training methods to adjust to modern times. Focus on the individual, conditioning, more than techniques. Open mindedness also helps. After 15 years of hard striking practice, I chuckled at grapplers. In mid 90s, I decided to try sparring with a Judoka. I was slammed more times on that mat than I was ever hit. It was an eye opener.
Yeah basically To-Shin Do is the modernisation of the classical style of ninpo taijutsu. So it is more applicable to modern situations. Not often that someone will strike a pose in a pub and start a fight with a very classical looking lunge punch!
To truly prepare someone for a fight, conditioning is key. The art has to provide full contact practice of strikes, take downs, clinch work, and ground/submission grappling. The simpler the art, the better. A proboxer can take out 99% of traditional martial arts masters because he only has 4 punches. He had been throwing them since he was a kid from every angle, direction and counter. He can use those 4 punches better than 100s of 'self-defense' techniques often taught in ma schools.
I think martial arts should be compared. Why not? Everyone else in life is. But more important, practitioners should be compared as well. A muay thai champ or an mma fighter would NOT GO DOWN as easy as the kid on the video. I dont care if Hatsumi himself is trying to take take an olympic wrestler down, it wont work. Weight, strength, conditioning, pain management, psychological readiness to inflict harm, cardio indurance, etc. all play a role in who wins a street fight or prize fight.
it also comes down to what type of damage you are ready to inflict, most of the guys who fights in the streets have some double moral rule saying ''i will hurt you, but i wont do any foul tricks''. well thats the main reason i dont get defeated in street fights, i use those foul tricks. if a guy comes up to me and starts punche me and i dont want him to, i kick him in the groin poke he's eyes and that stuff even if he thinks that's foul, he is still the coward for attacking a unwilling opponent
I think it's because you were too busy trying to teach everyone else muay thai. I'm at instructor level in muay thai, and I can say for sure that to-shin do techniques are waaay more useful in a self-defence situation, plus you do realise just how daft it is to be judging a martial art on a few sessions? You probably just did the hook punch defence, and it wasn't macho enough for you.
Oh! The music is only on so you don't get distracted by the football players and really loud music from the bodybuilders downstairs, and as for the tabi (split-toed shoes) and uniform, thats just so you don't rip your own clothes when you're training and to give your feet good grip. It's all practical, Japanese construction workers all wear tabi. Also, when it comes to uniforms, I'd say A black Gi has shiny boxer shorts beat. :D
This comment is mainly to bizarrebob. i've practiced kyokushinkai karate for 13 years now, along with a number of other martial arts especially To Shin Do wich i've practiced for 7 years, and i haven't been defeated in a real fight where i had to defend myself for a very long time. No im not bragging all i want to prove is martial arts works just fine. much of my knowledge about martial arts have been come in handy in real situations.
But don't you think the martial art works for you because you had years of training in a very hard contact style like kyokunshinkai. I studied Kyokunshinkai, muay thai, brazilian jiujitsu, boxing and kung fu. I have been practicing martial arts for over 25 years now. If for example, Aikido, works for me, is it Aikido working in a street fight or is it years of prior training? My aikidoka friend is 6'1 and 210. He also boxed before. He can fend for himself but will it be aikido?
well i think it's both, personally i often apply to shin do instead of kyu kushin kai in a street fight since i want to disable my opponent with minimum damage caused, i dont know what you're aim is in a street fight but i know mine is the least violent one and you cant really be gentle with kyu kushin kai karate. i cant really say how your fellow aikidoka will fend for himself since it's his choise and you can't really tell yourself until the second the fight starts.
I studied martial arts for approx 6 years overall and i can honestly say that studying and practising ANY martial art wont make you a good fighter. In fact, it could make you worse.
In a fight, your heart is pumping, you might be a bit scared cos in front of you, there's someone who wants to do SERIOUS damage and you can practise til you're blue in the face, but you can be destroyed by someone who isn't a martial artist just because they're used to REAL fights not training in their comfort zone
Thanks for the comment, but I have to say that in the fights I've been in, I've always thanked my lucky stars that I'd done training afterwards. It's true that if ALL OUR TRAINING was like this then yeah, it might not prepare you for real life, but fortunately as it says in the description, this is just a demo of some basics.
You're right if you train to gain stamina, gain some fight experience. The point i was trying to make is just that a real fight is so much different than a training session. I studied Kung Fu alone for approx 5 years and i had a fight (through no fault of my own) with some guy and i got one good kick on him, but he levelled me with lots of punched. It's impossible to be prepared for a fight but if your martial arts helps you stick with it, sadly, i lost belief after that fight.
so it looks to me as if this works on a 160 lbs young student with set up moves. The student is not resisting any of your techniques nor is he using any force to muscle you around. I believe that stronger opponents could out muscle you. Its hard to believe this would work in real life, no fighter would let you do this to them nor would they telegraph. If you hit them in the eyes or throat you would go to jail. even if you did take them down they would get back up
Another person who doesn't read the video descriptions... :( This is just DISPLAYING some BASIC techniques, we don't train like this in the classes, it's just to show others some techniques, in class we do resist against techniques and although the dynamic changes, the techniques still work.
so basically in the dojo, its set up and telegraphed and in real life it will turn into a wrestling match. If your at a disadvantage hit them in the throat or the eyes and then go to jail. Plus why does quest think they are the shit for claiming this is modern ninjutsu? Its a joke to think that quest markets it as modern... what so different from the Bujinkan of Genbukan? Quest = americanized ego-ninjutsu.
I don't know what it's like in America but we don't parade anything or think we are "the shit" we just learn self defence and have one hell of a bad politics problem.
This is quite different from Genbukan training. The techniques are the same or similar. Most of the taijutsu comes from Gyokko and Koto ryu so of course techniques will be similiar. Training methodology is quite different though.
From what I can tell, the Bujinkan aims to teach high-level principles through the techniques at all levels although every dojo is unique. In the Genbukan, we have a set organization-wide curriculum that aims to teach a standardized kihon which is then put together into high-level principles after all of the kihon is mastered.
To Shin Do seems to me to attempt to teach students useful responses to the most common types of attacks first in a much more informal, Americanized teaching method, much different from the classical Japanese training.
It isn't that it's inferior, it's just that the curriculum is taught so that more basic techniques/common situations are taught earlier and more advanced, later, whereas in other systems the curriculum is less strict and (In my opinion) seems to focus more on "classical" aspects of Taijutsu, whereas To-Shin Do was "modernised" by Anshu Hayes, and I agree with him when he says for it to be true Ninjutsu it has to be modernised to some extent or it will no longer be relevant. Hope that helps.
I often see defense in martial arts against an attack that would never occur, but the practicality of these techniques is evident; nice work.
KataForYou 7 months ago
I'm in to shin do...and we dont learn any chair defences...and only a few wall defences...I guess it might be that im only blue belt...but i'm almost red. A lot of the wall techniques are the same as ours, but not all...
1714SammyH 1 year ago
@1714SammyH Does this stealth stuff work in bars...
...I mean for getting chicks?
mofotax 1 year ago
@mofotax
Haha, well I dont know about getting girls, I didnt have to use any martial arts for that, but it definately works in bars :P
brycemaster 1 year ago
@1714SammyH
Heya I also train in To-shin do, i actually train with Mr Hesketh in England.
Im Currently a blue/black belt and i've only worked on it once or twice, but i wouldn't worry about it if i were you you'll learn some eventually ^^
Happy training =]
Abbster07 1 year ago
good stuff,
not that kind of circus exploits you usually see on youtube about martial arts ^^
dimebag108 2 years ago
Not bad.....
michaelsama28 2 years ago
I like this. Its not perfect but its better than many other systems I have analysed. Its not often I find any thing that I cant brake down and show how bad it really is, but this "To Shin Do" wasnt one of them. Thank you
SelfDefenceExpert 2 years ago 3
Thanks for the comments. This is only a demo of basic techniques though, we don't actually train this way. If you want to see some more advanced stuff search around on youtube. We don't show the really advanced stuff for obvious reasons.
brycemaster 2 years ago
i like very much youre technics
TheChipendale 2 years ago
haha. I notice your Tap - Outs !!!
Funny as it is to see an attacker get "whooped on," tap-out's are a very safe way of practicing with a partner realistically.
I can't wait to learn more To-Shin Do
MikeyPresents 2 years ago
Sweettrolls: LOL what kind of life style do you lead that you keep getting into these altercations? lol It is the person who wins, not the art. Of course, the art has to give the individual technical knowledge. A brilliant doctor saves lives post medical school training. Not all doctors are the same (even the ones who had similar education). I dont know if there is a code for street fights as far as damage done is concerned. Guess each situation is unique and a good m artist should assess
MAfanatic 2 years ago
I have met good and bad martial artists over the years (as I'm sure we all have). The main difference I think was that the good fighters (even MMA / NHB guys) always kept on open mind. They always kept searching for workable techniques and adjust them wall to their bodies. Look at Liyota Machida (strong point karate background). It is the closed mindedness of the instructor that hurts students. Most good instructors were students as well.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
I have to totally agree with you mate. I also studied several arts with different variances of hard and soft, I now study aikido and aikijutsu. Yes I've been in actual fights, no I've not always won although I'm better prepared nowadays. The arts give you tools to use, experience and mentality gives you the ability to use them. Most arts of the same ilk teach very similar things, the grappling arts, the striking arts etc just with different philosophies.
aikifan77 2 years ago
I'm not trying to put down To-Shin Do at all. I don't know anything about it, so have no opinion. I'm saying that many traditional schools have to adjust training methods to adjust to modern times. Focus on the individual, conditioning, more than techniques. Open mindedness also helps. After 15 years of hard striking practice, I chuckled at grapplers. In mid 90s, I decided to try sparring with a Judoka. I was slammed more times on that mat than I was ever hit. It was an eye opener.
MAfanatic 2 years ago 2
Yeah basically To-Shin Do is the modernisation of the classical style of ninpo taijutsu. So it is more applicable to modern situations. Not often that someone will strike a pose in a pub and start a fight with a very classical looking lunge punch!
brycemaster 2 years ago 2
To truly prepare someone for a fight, conditioning is key. The art has to provide full contact practice of strikes, take downs, clinch work, and ground/submission grappling. The simpler the art, the better. A proboxer can take out 99% of traditional martial arts masters because he only has 4 punches. He had been throwing them since he was a kid from every angle, direction and counter. He can use those 4 punches better than 100s of 'self-defense' techniques often taught in ma schools.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
You pretty much just described To-Shin Do.
brycemaster 2 years ago
I think martial arts should be compared. Why not? Everyone else in life is. But more important, practitioners should be compared as well. A muay thai champ or an mma fighter would NOT GO DOWN as easy as the kid on the video. I dont care if Hatsumi himself is trying to take take an olympic wrestler down, it wont work. Weight, strength, conditioning, pain management, psychological readiness to inflict harm, cardio indurance, etc. all play a role in who wins a street fight or prize fight.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
it also comes down to what type of damage you are ready to inflict, most of the guys who fights in the streets have some double moral rule saying ''i will hurt you, but i wont do any foul tricks''. well thats the main reason i dont get defeated in street fights, i use those foul tricks. if a guy comes up to me and starts punche me and i dont want him to, i kick him in the groin poke he's eyes and that stuff even if he thinks that's foul, he is still the coward for attacking a unwilling opponent
sweetrolls016 2 years ago
Nice going Dale, Ian :D.
Missing you all ):
Ben (:
tobo2506 2 years ago
I went to a couple of these lessons and was not impressed AT ALL
14mm2 2 years ago
I think it's because you were too busy trying to teach everyone else muay thai. I'm at instructor level in muay thai, and I can say for sure that to-shin do techniques are waaay more useful in a self-defence situation, plus you do realise just how daft it is to be judging a martial art on a few sessions? You probably just did the hook punch defence, and it wasn't macho enough for you.
brycemaster 2 years ago
No, it was just the way they had the japanese music on and the cheesy 'ninja' uniforms and boots etc.
14mm2 2 years ago
Oh! The music is only on so you don't get distracted by the football players and really loud music from the bodybuilders downstairs, and as for the tabi (split-toed shoes) and uniform, thats just so you don't rip your own clothes when you're training and to give your feet good grip. It's all practical, Japanese construction workers all wear tabi. Also, when it comes to uniforms, I'd say A black Gi has shiny boxer shorts beat. :D
brycemaster 2 years ago
This comment is mainly to bizarrebob. i've practiced kyokushinkai karate for 13 years now, along with a number of other martial arts especially To Shin Do wich i've practiced for 7 years, and i haven't been defeated in a real fight where i had to defend myself for a very long time. No im not bragging all i want to prove is martial arts works just fine. much of my knowledge about martial arts have been come in handy in real situations.
sweetrolls016 3 years ago
Excellent, good to hear someone with a similar outlook.
brycemaster 3 years ago
just wanna thank you brycemaster for the vid, hope it will help me refine my technique, Mr Dale is truly skillful.
keep it up!
sweetrolls016 3 years ago
But don't you think the martial art works for you because you had years of training in a very hard contact style like kyokunshinkai. I studied Kyokunshinkai, muay thai, brazilian jiujitsu, boxing and kung fu. I have been practicing martial arts for over 25 years now. If for example, Aikido, works for me, is it Aikido working in a street fight or is it years of prior training? My aikidoka friend is 6'1 and 210. He also boxed before. He can fend for himself but will it be aikido?
MAfanatic 2 years ago
well i think it's both, personally i often apply to shin do instead of kyu kushin kai in a street fight since i want to disable my opponent with minimum damage caused, i dont know what you're aim is in a street fight but i know mine is the least violent one and you cant really be gentle with kyu kushin kai karate. i cant really say how your fellow aikidoka will fend for himself since it's his choise and you can't really tell yourself until the second the fight starts.
sweetrolls016 2 years ago
That was a great demonstration.
steelemoon 3 years ago
Thanks very much.
brycemaster 3 years ago
I studied martial arts for approx 6 years overall and i can honestly say that studying and practising ANY martial art wont make you a good fighter. In fact, it could make you worse.
In a fight, your heart is pumping, you might be a bit scared cos in front of you, there's someone who wants to do SERIOUS damage and you can practise til you're blue in the face, but you can be destroyed by someone who isn't a martial artist just because they're used to REAL fights not training in their comfort zone
bizarrebob 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment, but I have to say that in the fights I've been in, I've always thanked my lucky stars that I'd done training afterwards. It's true that if ALL OUR TRAINING was like this then yeah, it might not prepare you for real life, but fortunately as it says in the description, this is just a demo of some basics.
brycemaster 3 years ago
You're right if you train to gain stamina, gain some fight experience. The point i was trying to make is just that a real fight is so much different than a training session. I studied Kung Fu alone for approx 5 years and i had a fight (through no fault of my own) with some guy and i got one good kick on him, but he levelled me with lots of punched. It's impossible to be prepared for a fight but if your martial arts helps you stick with it, sadly, i lost belief after that fight.
bizarrebob 3 years ago
Sorry to hear that, but still at least you improved from it, even failure has it's benefits.
brycemaster 3 years ago
Thanx very Helpful :P
Shinobiriz 3 years ago
You're welcome.
brycemaster 3 years ago
so it looks to me as if this works on a 160 lbs young student with set up moves. The student is not resisting any of your techniques nor is he using any force to muscle you around. I believe that stronger opponents could out muscle you. Its hard to believe this would work in real life, no fighter would let you do this to them nor would they telegraph. If you hit them in the eyes or throat you would go to jail. even if you did take them down they would get back up
rileygs 3 years ago
Another person who doesn't read the video descriptions... :( This is just DISPLAYING some BASIC techniques, we don't train like this in the classes, it's just to show others some techniques, in class we do resist against techniques and although the dynamic changes, the techniques still work.
brycemaster 3 years ago
so basically in the dojo, its set up and telegraphed and in real life it will turn into a wrestling match. If your at a disadvantage hit them in the throat or the eyes and then go to jail. Plus why does quest think they are the shit for claiming this is modern ninjutsu? Its a joke to think that quest markets it as modern... what so different from the Bujinkan of Genbukan? Quest = americanized ego-ninjutsu.
rileygs 3 years ago
I don't know what it's like in America but we don't parade anything or think we are "the shit" we just learn self defence and have one hell of a bad politics problem.
brycemaster 3 years ago
thats cool, i was just kidding anyway, i like the video. Best of luck to you.
rileygs 3 years ago
Thanks, you too.
brycemaster 3 years ago
This is quite different from Genbukan training. The techniques are the same or similar. Most of the taijutsu comes from Gyokko and Koto ryu so of course techniques will be similiar. Training methodology is quite different though.
kurzweilfreak 3 years ago
interesting: what are the differences in methodology per bujinkan, genbukan, and quest?
rileygs 3 years ago
From what I can tell, the Bujinkan aims to teach high-level principles through the techniques at all levels although every dojo is unique. In the Genbukan, we have a set organization-wide curriculum that aims to teach a standardized kihon which is then put together into high-level principles after all of the kihon is mastered.
kurzweilfreak 3 years ago
To Shin Do seems to me to attempt to teach students useful responses to the most common types of attacks first in a much more informal, Americanized teaching method, much different from the classical Japanese training.
Just my observations.
kurzweilfreak 3 years ago
cool. thanks for your input
rileygs 3 years ago
i see no reason why people call it inferior to ninjutsu, somebody explain please?
wolfamongsheep50 3 years ago 2
It isn't that it's inferior, it's just that the curriculum is taught so that more basic techniques/common situations are taught earlier and more advanced, later, whereas in other systems the curriculum is less strict and (In my opinion) seems to focus more on "classical" aspects of Taijutsu, whereas To-Shin Do was "modernised" by Anshu Hayes, and I agree with him when he says for it to be true Ninjutsu it has to be modernised to some extent or it will no longer be relevant. Hope that helps.
brycemaster 3 years ago
ah thank you, it does. thats what i was wondering
wolfamongsheep50 3 years ago 2
Excellent as usual. The 'nagare' of his technique is uncanny sometime! Keep it up.
To-Shin!
-Scott
scotttealey 3 years ago 2
Very nice guys (Y)
some of the wall ones we did on thursday lol ^^
looking forward to seein more videos soon :D
xoxox
Abbster07 3 years ago 2
Thanks.
brycemaster 3 years ago