the word "God" comes from the anglosaxon (viking) term "Got" which refers to Odin or Wodin, the viking Father deity. see how screwed up English is? A more accurate term for the diety Creator might be 1) Elohim - which implies a plurality Creator or Oneness. But since the true name of the Creator has been lost, even though some ppl call It / Him / Them "Yahweh" or "Yehovah" (derived from the Tetragrammaton YHVH) - I prefer to use "ha Shem" (the Name) out of respect to not wrongly name 'Him'.
@VirginAthenA Well, it is pretty much accepted that the universe emerged from a singularity 13.7 billion years ago, referred to as the Big Bang. But it may not have only happened once, it may occur again and again, in cycles -- so there is no "beginning" as such -- is what I think you are getting at.
The universe having a quantifiable beginning, or not having a beginning -- either one it is quite an awe-inspiring mystery of wonder.
@StevenErnest According some scientists it takes a lot longer to shape a spiral galaxy as the universe is suposed to be old. My present believe is that the universe is endless in time and space and static. So no beginning and no end. In both time and space. Its in my nature to reject what is generally accepted as truth. I am a bit staborn :-) If not I would still be praying towards the mother of god.
@KingPiccoloDaimao My purpose was serious, but I was trying to have fun with an inherently deep subject.
Also, it was somewhat of an experiment, as it was my first serious video. You may notice that I am better groomed and better lighted as it goes along. I am still not comfortable on camera. Thanks for watching!
@kidflashII Heheh, I nice glib answer, and not without its merit.
However, the concept is much more complicated than that, and cannot be so easily dismissed. I do not believe in the Abrahamic creator God.
I like the take on it by Joseph Campbell, as representing the mystery of existence -- it is the poetic side to the important rational insights of science.
By the way, I know this may be a little off topic to the whold God thing, but what's that song at the end of the video? I've been seeing this video for three years, and I still don't know that that song at the very end of the video is.
if your god, i must be Jim Morrison! (being sarcastic) THE AWESOME FUCKIN POET! AND SINGER! And im basically saying shut up retard! Jim is still god, and you... are a fuckin retard:)
If matter hasn't always existed (according to the Big Bang Theory) then neither has time, because you can't have time without matter or matter without time.
Which just makes me think you'd have to have something that doesn't have matter, nor time... God.
To me, all the Big Bang is saying that nothing can create something? Like a water bottle is actually able to replicate itself.
You have a very perceptive insight there about time -- that is exactly what astrophysicists say: before the Big Bang, there was no time. Time only came into existence with the beginning of the universe.
The problem I have with saying God created everything, is: Who or What created God? They say God always existed -- but how is that possible? I respect people's rights to their religious beliefs, but I feel like that is "cheating" the answer.
That is the miracle of God. You can not explain it scientifically. It is beyond you. why can't you atheists accept it already and get over it? you tube alone is filled with all this science vs religion junk. useless nonsense for cynical assholes
which part of RELIGION DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF TO STAND don't you understand?! It's ignorant idiots like you that I made this video for : "Commandments for atheists" - by user scaleshchess.
In which case there is no knowledge value in religion. Absolute knowledge is only suitable for absolute idiots. This makes religion not only contradictory to science, and it makes religion an enemy of reason. That is if what you said is true. Whoever came up with commandments for atheists is trying to start a new religion and therefore all of the above applies to his/her religion as well.
That is perfect post. "That is the miracle of God" is a claim. It is almost certainly true that you cannot explain it scientifically. But that is where it stops. Rational position - you made a claim you provide evidence and test method for your claim. Religious position - anybody can make an unprovable claim and it is true until somebody explicitly proves it to be wrong. Most atheists are rational people and that is why they cannot "accept it".
Thank you your answer was predictably entertaining and moronic. As I said if you are not familiar with rational thinking you are unlikely to understand an atheist position. Your stupid question "why can't you atheists accept it ..." cannot be answered in terms you would understand.
Ah, okay, that is very interesting. Do you know of the modern Gnostic scholar, Stephan A. Hoeller? I've attended some of his talks. His website is gnosis(dot)org.
The main answer to who created "god" is always that he always was. he was never created, he has just been existing for eternity. many find this silly and foolish to be true. but if god does not exist, and the big bang theory is correct, what was before the big bang? what created the big bang? where did this matter and anti matter come from? it also had to have been without begging or end. so maybe there is a god or not, but the idea of something that hasnt been created and always wasmay be true
also despite what many say, allah is the same god of the christians and jews. Jah allah yaweh tons of names its all the same person. what makes islam different from christianity is they do not beleive Jesus to be god. or the son of god. and tend not to understand the trinity deal at all. but it is actually quite confusing.
I will check it out. So far the explanation i like the most is that It is all a cycle. A big bang like situation occurs in a loop. so before the big bang, there was something else, and before that something else, and it has been without beginning and will probably be without end. a complete loop. how could this possibly be? Well since it is the pinnacle of all things and how things exist, maybe it just has no explanation. it just always has been.
it makes sense sort of. The big bang occurs every so many years of course over a loooong time. and a new universe is born and everything starts over again. They gave a complete explanation as to how this happens over and over but i forgot it lol.
Relativity predicts the big bang and red shift confirms it. Relativity also contends that time and space are unified in a Spacetime continuum. All this means that there was no 'before' the big bang and there was no eternity for god to exist in. It is obvious that something has to escape causality and I don't think existing forever really explained the proposed nature of God. What we need, is a set of starting assumptions which don't require complexity and causality to be primitive qualities.
Uh oh, it's another paradox. I agree with JC that GOD is a thought, name, and idea, & beyond all "categories of thought", but....what of thought itself in reference to GOD? To my way of thinking, thoughts are things, since we think about GOD, GOD must be a thing, otherwise how could we form a thought about an abstraction having no basis of truth/reality about it? And what name are you going to call something that is nothing?
If you listen to that quote closely, he's saying "God" is a metaphor, or mythic term, for the mystery of existence -- the great unknown of how or why there is anything.
Campbell had a very Eastern view of God, more of as the Tao, or the Universe, the All. He generally said that the three Abrahamic religions took their myths too literally, and only read them as historical events. Thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate it.
Most words are metaphors, e.g. the word 'dog' represents a thing that has "dog-ness". Does 'god' represent a mental phenomenon or does it attempt to identify an independently existing force? Both?
from starvation? Francis J. Collins(head of the human genome project) belives that there is a God, but that life was created through a process of evoloution, roughly 14.2 billion years ago. So who knows, perhaps there is some intelligence behind the universe, but I would never be bight enough to qualify or deny that position. Good work man, really love your stuff.
Hello Steven, very nice vids, I have been watching a few of them and I really enjoy your humor and skeptisism. Socrates said it best "All I know is that I know nothing at all". A woman was on a christian television station a while back, and she was saying she was so blessed because God had blessed her with a home loan, and a great job etc. My immediate thought was, "well ok, but why does god love you so much and give you a house when you prey for it, but cant even keep half of the other world
'Creation' is a myth, bc we are looking at it all from our temporal perspective... in reality there is no 'time'.. there is just an eternal mind that produces beings and things, who all have a certain degree of consciousness inside them... but we are like the leaves on the tree... for a while, we are totally filled with the life, and to some extent with the power of the tree... but ultimately, the life and the consciousness remains with the tree. So, 'God' is existence really, and we part of it.
I agree that there is no time -- all is now, happening now in a singularity point.
But how do you explain "an eternal mind...?" Where did it come from? To say, It always was, is not an answer.
I like your leaf metaphor, but I prefer the one that we -- all the objects in the universe -- are like waves in the ocean: apparently separate, but actually one with the ocean. We are the universe.
Mostly to the comments in this forum, though I have noticed similarities on some of your other vids too. I imagine it's to be expected when dealing with psychonautics, philosophy, et cetera, but it's always good to see a varied discussion from diverse perspectives.
As for Abrahamics, as long as they don't start threatening everyone with hell-fire & feverishly typing reams of scripture under the illusion that it passes for debate... Oh wait:
Moses is the delver of Egypt to the Hebrews, God is an energy matter that exist in space he created everything, for example in the movie 10 comments Moses talks to a burning bush on a mountain. Proving those God is an energy matter, in fact thus the ultimate matter, tho he could have chosen in other form to talk to Moses he choose a firey bush, also the fire pillar and the Red Sea parting are more evidence of this. Jesus is the son of God, whom was created by God, a so called perfect being
DaColt88: I respect your right to your belief, but it is only true if you accept the Bible as the inerrant word of God -- I don't. God talking as a burning bush? Come on, that's kind of hard to believe. The 10 Commandants may have served a purpose 2,000 years ago, but how does it deal with stem cells, cloning, etc.? I'm sure Jesus taught some good truths, but I doubt he was the son of God.
Read Joseph Campbell: these are myths mistankenly taken as literal historical events. Read.
Good question what is God?Even at its most basic understanding and purely scientific God exist as the source of creation. Regardless of faith we all ultimately worship the fact that we exist and are concuisly aware that we exist.So God would be The act of bringing Existence into Being. At this level God can be seen almost mechanical and completely inscapeable..So God is reduced to existence coming into existence ain sof 0+0=1
I know it is rediculous for you and that is EXACTLY what the bible says about you. It's foolish to those who persh(going to hell). Only if you r willing to listen, i can explain why you need a saviour ot a cure for your sickness. We all are sick of a deadly sickness - SIN. We need a cure. I know that cure.
But how could God create himself? An un-caused cause? How is that an explanation?
It is debated to what degree Jesus claimed to be the son of God; the Gospels contradict themselves. I don't think he proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.
God may have spoken through a person -- but what they heard and shared with the world, was INEVITABLY filtered through their individual nervous system. Did the prophets interpret God 100 percent correctly?
Thanks for you comment, I appreciate your feedback!
It's from Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth" written with Bill Moyers. The book is esentially a transcript of the PBS interview series, which is now on DVD. The quote is on page 49. As the pagination can vary with printings, etc., I'll add that it's from Chapter 2, The Journey Inward, about 2/3 of the way into the chapter. Thanks for asking. ^_^
Doesn't this video give you some idea of my belief? ^_^ I don't believe in the supernatural "Creator God" of the three Abrahamic religions. I lean more towards Eastern philosophies. "God" would be more akin to The Tao, The Universe. As per the quote I read from Joseph Campbell, God stands for the great mystery of the universe -- why and how are we here? We don't really know. Okay?
A praying man asks god "How did you create the universe in 6 days?" God answers "Well to me a second of your time is like a million years to me.", the man asks "While I have you God, can you make me a billionaire?" God replies, "Sure, um, just give me a minute."
Wow! Thanks for the reply. As to the topic "What is God?" hmmm very important question too. I sense that no definition is possible, like Baudrillard's "model of the world" problem, any model of the world becomes part of the world. Sadly 2007 brought us the end of the end of Baudrillard.
If you like Baudrillard, check out some of the videos of zorio, search for his channel under that name. He's done some vids discussing Baudrillard.
If you can't find him, look at the people I've subscribed to, or just message me and I will give you the link. He's helped me to better get my mind around simularcrum's, etc.
exactly! no body knows, and the few who realize this are relieved but still wonder!, wierd science, maybe there is no such thing as nothing, an thats the problem,theres no actual footage or documented cases of nothing, why do our minds except the word nothing!, what are you doing ? nothing, not exactly,your breathing, so when is nothing the truth!
Yes, if you like mythology, gods, etc., you'll love Joseph Campbell! He compares the myths of world cultures. Search here on YT for bits of the interview series he did with Bill Moyers.
I don't believe in the supernatural creator god of the three Abrahamic religions. They are always begging the question: Who created god? To say he always existed is not really an answer. In M Theory, it's two "membranes" colliding to form our universe. We may never know how it all got started. It is one vast and amazing mystery.
Imagine a woman, a Christian who lived each day by God's laws, so that one day she could be received into God's kingdom. Now imagine she had a son, who didn't believe in a God. He lived each day as his last, a pure hedonist.
How can the mother (in heaven) possibly be content knowing that her son is in hell? Heaven by definition is paradise, and hell eternal torment (or seperation from God).
Seems the drama in religion is of importance... the stories itself... to validate us and keep a centered focus on us... The Gods have us in mind more than other things.
Things that begin to exist require a cause. The universe began to exist. It's thus perfectly legitimate to ask, "What caused the universe?" Unless and until you can demonstrate that God likewise began to exist, there is no demand for a cause of his existence.
No, it is still begging the question: "Where did God come from, i.e., get started?" We know of nothing that has existed FOREVER. Everything we've seen has a cause. It is magical and supernatural to say that God didn't "begin to exist" because he/she/it always existed. Why is God exempted from having a first cause? And please don't say he IS the first cause -- that is putting off the answer -- not a real, satisfactory, answer.
Wrong. First, what we know is not determined by what "we've seen". So you've adopted a flimsy epistemology to begin with. Second, whatever caused the existence of spacetime must by definition transcend time and space, viz. be timeless and spaceless. Timeless. Think about that. To ask how a timeless cause got started, as you do, is a CATEGORY MISTAKE of the worst kind. Your objections are illogical and based on sloppy thinking.
hmmm.....you got me there, but some people say god has been around forever, and some ppl say that god was created by something else. no one will ever know who created god (if there was a creator)
I'm glad you're being honest. I know -- god or no god -- existence is one BIG MYSTERY. The three Abrahamic religions say god always was, the uncreated creator, but I feel that begs the question. Maybe an earlier god created god, and so on, but then that just puts off the first creator or origin into infinity, without really finally answering the question.
I don't blame people for settling for a Creator God explanation -- it is difficult living with the mystery, an unanwered question.
If you'd be interested, I could give you a link to an article called, "Why This Universe?" The author proposes like 27 possible theories for why there is anything. From God, to Big Bang, to mulitple-universes, etc. He has no particular belief to push. Thank you for your thoughtful comments!
it depends on what you believe. some ppl think god had parents, there is no god, or someting else. what i believe is that god has been around forever and he created every other planet. god is the answer to the unexplained
I think I can answer that. You see, not everything must be created, but I think we agree that everything that begins to exist has a cause. So, in order to prove or explain God's existence, we must first prove that the universe had a beginning.
I agree with your first statement, but if we prove that the universe had a cause or beginning, that doesn't necessarily prove or explain God's existence. Many Christians say God is the Uncreated Creator = he always existed. But that still begs the question, because as you said, everything has a cause -- a catalyst that brings it about. With or without a God, it's a big mystery: Why/How is there Something, rather than Nothing? So far, I don't think Science or Religion can answer this.
yea i agree that some science was involved, after God created earch, there had to be something involving scince, like all the plants and mountains forming
Oreceo, 1, there are other action figures, too: Edgar Allan Poe, Cleopatra, Benjamin Franklin, Shakespeare, Freud, and more! The company is called, Accoutrements.
2, Yes, Joseph Campbell spoke a lot about how the word God is for the mystery of existence. A name for the unknowable.
ok, the reason people say that god is the creator of all is because thats their faith. they cant prove that god created earth, but they believe that because they have faith. most really smart nerds go into detail by saying something about matter and gravity when we talk about the big bang, but most people dont want to go into detail like that so they use god as an answer because they have faith
Mikejustmike, I pretty much agree with you, but I can't tell if you are supporting faith or criticizing it...? I think faith in a supernatural Creator God is taking the easy way out. With science we have some idea of how things started -- but exactly how and why there is a universe at all may always remain a mystery.
Ya, i'd like to see how you big shots explain how humans were just created when carbon and shit formed together. There has to be something more to it. We didn't evolve from damn fish or anything, we had to have been made by something, were too complex. God is real, you nerds need physical proof, but we failthful people dont.
thats 13 attributes of god... im an athiest by the way
DXhardy831 3 months ago
@DXhardy831 Yes, there are the 13 attributes of god or mercy. It's an interesting metaphor. I'm essentially an atheist, too.
StevenErnest 3 months ago
cute.
God is within everything
regards from Israel :)
(you are invited to my channel)
JusticeVSpropaganda 11 months ago
@JusticeVSpropaganda Thanks.
I would say God IS everything, not just within everything. (Depending on how God is defined.) ^_^
StevenErnest 11 months ago
the word "God" comes from the anglosaxon (viking) term "Got" which refers to Odin or Wodin, the viking Father deity. see how screwed up English is? A more accurate term for the diety Creator might be 1) Elohim - which implies a plurality Creator or Oneness. But since the true name of the Creator has been lost, even though some ppl call It / Him / Them "Yahweh" or "Yehovah" (derived from the Tetragrammaton YHVH) - I prefer to use "ha Shem" (the Name) out of respect to not wrongly name 'Him'.
Madkre8tor 1 year ago
Just like everything else on earth God is misinterpreted.. Want the answer look within.
YOLT1952 1 year ago
@YOLT1952 That's the point: even when people look inside, they get a different answer. You will have to do better than that.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
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Nice vid, Steven. Aloha
directspirit 1 year ago
Nice vid, Steven. Aloha
directspirit 1 year ago
Maybe the bigbang never happend. Maybe it always existed.
VirginAthenA 1 year ago
@VirginAthenA Well, it is pretty much accepted that the universe emerged from a singularity 13.7 billion years ago, referred to as the Big Bang. But it may not have only happened once, it may occur again and again, in cycles -- so there is no "beginning" as such -- is what I think you are getting at.
The universe having a quantifiable beginning, or not having a beginning -- either one it is quite an awe-inspiring mystery of wonder.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest According some scientists it takes a lot longer to shape a spiral galaxy as the universe is suposed to be old. My present believe is that the universe is endless in time and space and static. So no beginning and no end. In both time and space. Its in my nature to reject what is generally accepted as truth. I am a bit staborn :-) If not I would still be praying towards the mother of god.
VirginAthenA 1 year ago
It has the feel of a local furniture store commercial. Was that the intent?
KingPiccoloDaimao 1 year ago
@KingPiccoloDaimao My purpose was serious, but I was trying to have fun with an inherently deep subject.
Also, it was somewhat of an experiment, as it was my first serious video. You may notice that I am better groomed and better lighted as it goes along. I am still not comfortable on camera. Thanks for watching!
StevenErnest 1 year ago
The real question is " What is love?"
Baby don't hurt, don't hurt me, no more....
Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!
Rattricks 1 year ago
What is god? A storybook character.
kidflashII 1 year ago
@kidflashII Heheh, I nice glib answer, and not without its merit.
However, the concept is much more complicated than that, and cannot be so easily dismissed. I do not believe in the Abrahamic creator God.
I like the take on it by Joseph Campbell, as representing the mystery of existence -- it is the poetic side to the important rational insights of science.
The idea of the god, IS the god.
StevenErnest 1 year ago
still enjoy your videos though.
CMKify 1 year ago
@CMKify Thank you. ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
SO dull...
xanzus 1 year ago
By the way, I know this may be a little off topic to the whold God thing, but what's that song at the end of the video? I've been seeing this video for three years, and I still don't know that that song at the very end of the video is.
BrokenChair88 2 years ago
@BrokenChair88 How DARE you go off topic -- J/K around. ; )
I'm flattered and appreciate that you've watched this video again over 3 years, thanks!
The music at the end is a brief excerpt of:
"Decollage" by Les Balayeurs du Desert.
I used a bit more of it in my video, "Where Do I Tube From?"
Search YouTube for "Little Giant Girl" and there's a cool video with more of that music.
I will add the credit to this sidebar, which I should have before. Thanks again! ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Thanks man! I love you!!!...But I'm not gay...
BrokenChair88 2 years ago
The more you talk about the tao the less you know about it!
hartejoseph 2 years ago
@hartejoseph "The Tao that is spoken of, is not the Tao itself."
But then the Tao te Ching goes on talking about the Tao for 2,500 words, lol. ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
what about blow jobs?
Princesspony252 2 years ago
What is God? It's a sound people make when they are to tired to think for themselves any more.
That is actually a quote paraphrased by the late atheist thinker of all time, Edward Abbey.
Well doesn't it make sense? If humankind would take the effort to just think more, there wouldn't be any need for God.
nogogma 2 years ago
Which God? the christian God? if so, he's a delusion pulled over scared peoples eyes to control them into behaving.
Religion is false and deluded!
robbiegta 2 years ago
if your god, i must be Jim Morrison! (being sarcastic) THE AWESOME FUCKIN POET! AND SINGER! And im basically saying shut up retard! Jim is still god, and you... are a fuckin retard:)
lindensteinc 2 years ago
If you say your God now, you would be called a singularitarian
particleion 2 years ago
Amen!
regardsfrom 2 years ago
What would the J Man do? I don't think he's too concerned with my little YT vid. ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
So are you saying a super-being that created everything doesn't have a sense of humor? Hmm, that might explain a lot. ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
As a 14 yr old I just look at it this way;
If matter hasn't always existed (according to the Big Bang Theory) then neither has time, because you can't have time without matter or matter without time.
Which just makes me think you'd have to have something that doesn't have matter, nor time... God.
To me, all the Big Bang is saying that nothing can create something? Like a water bottle is actually able to replicate itself.
I don't know... I'm a teenager. >.>
AudreyxChristine 2 years ago
5/5 :D
AudreyxChristine 2 years ago
Nice book collection too. Sorry I keep reposting, lol.
AudreyxChristine 2 years ago
Yeah, I have a bunch of books on all kinds of subjects, I know a little bit about a lot, lol.
If you are thinking about these things at your age, then you are already a smart gal!
There are all kinds of videos on these subjects here -- many by college students who are smarter than me.
Thank you for your intelligent and thoughtful comments, I really appreciate it.
Nothing wrong with reposting, lol.
Keep thinking and have fun! ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
Thank you very much. :)!
I'll google "Why This Universe?" right now actually.
AudreyxChristine 2 years ago
So did you read it a bit?
Any thoughts?
StevenErnest 2 years ago
You have a very perceptive insight there about time -- that is exactly what astrophysicists say: before the Big Bang, there was no time. Time only came into existence with the beginning of the universe.
The problem I have with saying God created everything, is: Who or What created God? They say God always existed -- but how is that possible? I respect people's rights to their religious beliefs, but I feel like that is "cheating" the answer.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
That is the miracle of God. You can not explain it scientifically. It is beyond you. why can't you atheists accept it already and get over it? you tube alone is filled with all this science vs religion junk. useless nonsense for cynical assholes
regardsfrom 2 years ago
So you say, the discussion of science versus religion is "junk," and "useless nonsense for cyncical assholes."...?
Your uncivil, nasty, and consdescending comment is a perfect example of some believer's poor manners and lack of intelligence.
Exactly as I said, you answered nothing: "That is the miracle of God" explains NOTHING. Again:
Who or What created God? How could ANYTHING always exist? You are cheating a real answer.
You Fail.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
which part of RELIGION DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF TO STAND don't you understand?! It's ignorant idiots like you that I made this video for : "Commandments for atheists" - by user scaleshchess.
Enough already.
regardsfrom 2 years ago
In which case there is no knowledge value in religion. Absolute knowledge is only suitable for absolute idiots. This makes religion not only contradictory to science, and it makes religion an enemy of reason. That is if what you said is true. Whoever came up with commandments for atheists is trying to start a new religion and therefore all of the above applies to his/her religion as well.
cheburashka1326 2 years ago
That is perfect post. "That is the miracle of God" is a claim. It is almost certainly true that you cannot explain it scientifically. But that is where it stops. Rational position - you made a claim you provide evidence and test method for your claim. Religious position - anybody can make an unprovable claim and it is true until somebody explicitly proves it to be wrong. Most atheists are rational people and that is why they cannot "accept it".
cheburashka1326 2 years ago
I don't think you know what rational means!
regardsfrom 2 years ago
Do you care to elaborate? Or is it one of those religious claims that I have to (dis)prove?
cheburashka1326 2 years ago
I don't have to elaborate because my religion is not debatable, it is not arguable it is not questionable!
Do what you want, it has nothing to do with me.
regardsfrom 2 years ago
Thank you your answer was predictably entertaining and moronic. As I said if you are not familiar with rational thinking you are unlikely to understand an atheist position. Your stupid question "why can't you atheists accept it ..." cannot be answered in terms you would understand.
cheburashka1326 2 years ago
GO TO HELL WHERE YOU SHOULD BE.
regardsfrom 2 years ago
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See you there.
cheburashka1326 2 years ago
Has time always existed?
No... not excatly. XD
Has matter always existed? Well, no because you would need time to have matter...
AudreyxChristine 2 years ago
Right! We don't think that time has always existed. It may have started when the universe began: 13.7 billion years ago.
If you want to read a very interesting article, Google: "Why This Universe?" The author lists 27 possible explanations for the universe existing.
Someone said, "Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once." ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
I like the early gnostic idea,
"the father of the universe is called forefather, the fore thought of everything before it came into being"
seems simular to your cambells description at the end of the video :)
IMBUED 2 years ago
I like that, forefather/forethought. Cool! ^_^ But I don't quite see how it is gnostic?
StevenErnest 2 years ago
"The Sophia of Jesus Christ" found in the Nag Hammadi scrolls described it this way :)
IMBUED 2 years ago
Ah, okay, that is very interesting. Do you know of the modern Gnostic scholar, Stephan A. Hoeller? I've attended some of his talks. His website is gnosis(dot)org.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
god is gay as fuck
jimcrow6969 2 years ago
You don't sound very intelligent.
StevenErnest 2 years ago
The main answer to who created "god" is always that he always was. he was never created, he has just been existing for eternity. many find this silly and foolish to be true. but if god does not exist, and the big bang theory is correct, what was before the big bang? what created the big bang? where did this matter and anti matter come from? it also had to have been without begging or end. so maybe there is a god or not, but the idea of something that hasnt been created and always wasmay be true
pesadilla38 2 years ago
also despite what many say, allah is the same god of the christians and jews. Jah allah yaweh tons of names its all the same person. what makes islam different from christianity is they do not beleive Jesus to be god. or the son of god. and tend not to understand the trinity deal at all. but it is actually quite confusing.
pesadilla38 2 years ago
i mean the same "being"
pesadilla38 2 years ago
Yes, the three Abrahamic religions are mutually contradictory: they cannot all be true. I don't think any are.
The definition of God I prefer, is in the quote by Joseph Campbell in the vid:
God is a metaphor for the mystery of existence. The three religions mainly focus on the history, and ingore the deeper meanings.
I prefer Eastern philosophy as in Taoism or Zen. The Tao is the Way, or Flow of nature. Not a "He."
StevenErnest 2 years ago
I like the many points you make here!
To me, saying God is the uncaused cause -- that God always was -- is begging the question: Where did God come from? How can anything always be?
How the heck the Big Bang happened is the same currently unknowable question.
Why is there something instead of nothing? Answer: because you can't have nothing without something.
For a fantastic article, google: Why This Universe? He gives 48 possible explanations. I gaurantee it will get you thinking!
StevenErnest 2 years ago
I will check it out. So far the explanation i like the most is that It is all a cycle. A big bang like situation occurs in a loop. so before the big bang, there was something else, and before that something else, and it has been without beginning and will probably be without end. a complete loop. how could this possibly be? Well since it is the pinnacle of all things and how things exist, maybe it just has no explanation. it just always has been.
pesadilla38 2 years ago
it makes sense sort of. The big bang occurs every so many years of course over a loooong time. and a new universe is born and everything starts over again. They gave a complete explanation as to how this happens over and over but i forgot it lol.
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skepticoz 2 years ago
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Relativity predicts the big bang and red shift confirms it. Relativity also contends that time and space are unified in a Spacetime continuum. All this means that there was no 'before' the big bang and there was no eternity for god to exist in. It is obvious that something has to escape causality and I don't think existing forever really explained the proposed nature of God. What we need, is a set of starting assumptions which don't require complexity and causality to be primitive qualities.
skepticoz 2 years ago
LOL LOVE IT !!!
you are to cute ....
I Am Actually Learning From You.
Thank You.
RavenousTree 2 years ago
RavenousTree, thank you very much! I really appreciate it. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I meant to.
To say that you have learned something from me is the highest compliment. Thanks again! ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
LOL I want those action figures
generaldesor 3 years ago
Heheh, thanks. They do kind of block the books on the shelves, though. Jim Morrison and Promethea are probably on eBay. ^_^
StevenErnest 3 years ago
Where you got the Jesus and Moses one? x,D
generaldesor 3 years ago
Oh, yeah. A company called Accouterments, you can google them. I don't think they mail order, but there are places that do, and some novelty stores.
They make historical action figures, also like Benjamin Franklin, Cleopatra, Edgar Allen Poe, Freud, .. I still need to get Einstein, lol.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
HAHA!
generaldesor 3 years ago
whoa you have alot of dolls
thebuzzed1 3 years ago
Yes, but um, I prefer to call them "Action Figure." Heheh. ;)
StevenErnest 3 years ago
Uh oh, it's another paradox. I agree with JC that GOD is a thought, name, and idea, & beyond all "categories of thought", but....what of thought itself in reference to GOD? To my way of thinking, thoughts are things, since we think about GOD, GOD must be a thing, otherwise how could we form a thought about an abstraction having no basis of truth/reality about it? And what name are you going to call something that is nothing?
alchemistra 3 years ago
The Quote from Joseph Campbell sounds like just another rationalization.
vindog34 3 years ago
If you listen to that quote closely, he's saying "God" is a metaphor, or mythic term, for the mystery of existence -- the great unknown of how or why there is anything.
Campbell had a very Eastern view of God, more of as the Tao, or the Universe, the All. He generally said that the three Abrahamic religions took their myths too literally, and only read them as historical events. Thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate it.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
I tend to agree with this.
Besides that, you're one funny mother fucker. I'm glad I found this channel.
Taors 3 years ago
Most words are metaphors, e.g. the word 'dog' represents a thing that has "dog-ness". Does 'god' represent a mental phenomenon or does it attempt to identify an independently existing force? Both?
Nice video.
ontochallenge 3 years ago
Yes, ontochallenge. I think all words are metaphors, in that they are symbols of, and not the thing itself.
As for God(s)... perhaps the IDEA of a God IS the God.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
from starvation? Francis J. Collins(head of the human genome project) belives that there is a God, but that life was created through a process of evoloution, roughly 14.2 billion years ago. So who knows, perhaps there is some intelligence behind the universe, but I would never be bight enough to qualify or deny that position. Good work man, really love your stuff.
skyydawg123 3 years ago
Hello Steven, very nice vids, I have been watching a few of them and I really enjoy your humor and skeptisism. Socrates said it best "All I know is that I know nothing at all". A woman was on a christian television station a while back, and she was saying she was so blessed because God had blessed her with a home loan, and a great job etc. My immediate thought was, "well ok, but why does god love you so much and give you a house when you prey for it, but cant even keep half of the other world
skyydawg123 3 years ago
Hmmmmmmmmmm. A thing?
BrokenChair88 3 years ago
Hmmm... What are you asking?
StevenErnest 3 years ago
What is God?
BrokenChair88 3 years ago
The Joseph Campbell quote at the end basically answers that.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
'Creation' is a myth, bc we are looking at it all from our temporal perspective... in reality there is no 'time'.. there is just an eternal mind that produces beings and things, who all have a certain degree of consciousness inside them... but we are like the leaves on the tree... for a while, we are totally filled with the life, and to some extent with the power of the tree... but ultimately, the life and the consciousness remains with the tree. So, 'God' is existence really, and we part of it.
7plus77 3 years ago
I agree that there is no time -- all is now, happening now in a singularity point.
But how do you explain "an eternal mind...?" Where did it come from? To say, It always was, is not an answer.
I like your leaf metaphor, but I prefer the one that we -- all the objects in the universe -- are like waves in the ocean: apparently separate, but actually one with the ocean. We are the universe.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
God is love.
iwanttoknowgod 3 years ago
I like that, I can accept it!
But not the Creator God of the three Abrahamic religions; that's just my personal opinion, I intend no disrespect to your belief.
To me, God is a metaphor for the mystery of existence.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
No, I am not into any religion. I believe that God is fair to everyone.
iwanttoknowgod 3 years ago
What is your definition of God?
StevenErnest 3 years ago
The source of all life.
iwanttoknowgod 3 years ago
Mostly to the comments in this forum, though I have noticed similarities on some of your other vids too. I imagine it's to be expected when dealing with psychonautics, philosophy, et cetera, but it's always good to see a varied discussion from diverse perspectives.
As for Abrahamics, as long as they don't start threatening everyone with hell-fire & feverishly typing reams of scripture under the illusion that it passes for debate... Oh wait:
"We all are sick of a deadly sickness - SIN"
Ho-hum.
catalyst8 3 years ago
Great video, I imagine you'd make an excellent teacher.
It's also gratifying to see references to Ain Sof Aur, the Hermetics, & the occasional rabid Bible thumper sticking their oar in. Brilliant!
catalyst8 3 years ago
Wow, thank you! I like to think I can pass new info on to others, as they can to me.
Are you referring to other vids of mine, or probably to some of the comments here...?
Yeah, this vid didn't go down well with some of an Abrahamic religion bent. ^_^
StevenErnest 3 years ago
nice video
diekontrolleure 3 years ago
Thanks!
StevenErnest 3 years ago
Moses is the delver of Egypt to the Hebrews, God is an energy matter that exist in space he created everything, for example in the movie 10 comments Moses talks to a burning bush on a mountain. Proving those God is an energy matter, in fact thus the ultimate matter, tho he could have chosen in other form to talk to Moses he choose a firey bush, also the fire pillar and the Red Sea parting are more evidence of this. Jesus is the son of God, whom was created by God, a so called perfect being
DaColt88 3 years ago
DaColt88: I respect your right to your belief, but it is only true if you accept the Bible as the inerrant word of God -- I don't. God talking as a burning bush? Come on, that's kind of hard to believe. The 10 Commandants may have served a purpose 2,000 years ago, but how does it deal with stem cells, cloning, etc.? I'm sure Jesus taught some good truths, but I doubt he was the son of God.
Read Joseph Campbell: these are myths mistankenly taken as literal historical events. Read.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
well I keep in open mind when it comes to God, after all anything is possible
DaColt88 3 years ago
Everything in the universe is within the mind of The All(God).
"While All is in The All, it is equally true that The All is in All."
Tusek420 3 years ago
Yes, that is what the Perennial Philosophy, Mysticism, and Hermeticism teaches us.
That quote sounds like it is from the Kybalion. Thanks for your good comment.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
Good question what is God?Even at its most basic understanding and purely scientific God exist as the source of creation. Regardless of faith we all ultimately worship the fact that we exist and are concuisly aware that we exist.So God would be The act of bringing Existence into Being. At this level God can be seen almost mechanical and completely inscapeable..So God is reduced to existence coming into existence ain sof 0+0=1
particleion 3 years ago
Very true, particleion!
I like that: 0 + 0 = 1.
...The great mystery of existence.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
If someone created God, that prooves He is not God.
Why don't you ask God Himself who He is?
Jesus made this outrageous claim. NO ONE comes to God BUT THROUGH ME.NOT Muhammed,Budda,Sheikh or whatever. Only Jesus.
It's either true or not. Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh and also prooved it.
God Himself also said: I AM the 1st and the LAST. There is NO other God besides Me....
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
And you're talking about a god that YOU created.
I don't think god "sent his only begotten son to die for our sins." That is simply ridiculous on the face of it.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
I know it is rediculous for you and that is EXACTLY what the bible says about you. It's foolish to those who persh(going to hell). Only if you r willing to listen, i can explain why you need a saviour ot a cure for your sickness. We all are sick of a deadly sickness - SIN. We need a cure. I know that cure.
worrierofgod4ever 3 years ago
But how could God create himself? An un-caused cause? How is that an explanation?
It is debated to what degree Jesus claimed to be the son of God; the Gospels contradict themselves. I don't think he proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.
God may have spoken through a person -- but what they heard and shared with the world, was INEVITABLY filtered through their individual nervous system. Did the prophets interpret God 100 percent correctly?
Thanks for you comment, I appreciate your feedback!
StevenErnest 3 years ago
"J.C., that's Joseph Campbell the mythologist."
Lol.
Rrabra 3 years ago
Heheh.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
would it be possible to tell me the book and page reference of the qoute please
grolsh1adams 3 years ago
It's from Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth" written with Bill Moyers. The book is esentially a transcript of the PBS interview series, which is now on DVD. The quote is on page 49. As the pagination can vary with printings, etc., I'll add that it's from Chapter 2, The Journey Inward, about 2/3 of the way into the chapter. Thanks for asking. ^_^
StevenErnest 3 years ago
lmao, jesus and moses action figures. what do you believe in? do u believe in his so called god, all mighty creator.
justinkrz1992 4 years ago
Doesn't this video give you some idea of my belief? ^_^ I don't believe in the supernatural "Creator God" of the three Abrahamic religions. I lean more towards Eastern philosophies. "God" would be more akin to The Tao, The Universe. As per the quote I read from Joseph Campbell, God stands for the great mystery of the universe -- why and how are we here? We don't really know. Okay?
StevenErnest 3 years ago
makes sence.
justinkrz1992 3 years ago
This is irrelavent, but what music was playing at the very end? It sounds familiar.
NormaJean337 4 years ago
Why do you think this is irrelevant?
The music is "Decollage" by Les Balayeurs du Desert.
Search YouTube for "Little Giant Girl" for a popular video with more of that music.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Oh, you meant your question about the music was irrelevant to the discussion of god... sorry, sometimes I'm a bit dense. ^_^
StevenErnest 3 years ago
Hahaha great vid, I love your sense of humor.
ryanisfootdrums 4 years ago
Thanks, I appreciate the nice feedback! :D
StevenErnest 4 years ago
do u live with ur mother? :P
dhikr 4 years ago 2
You must be psychic! Actually, my mother lives with me. ;)
StevenErnest 4 years ago
A praying man asks god "How did you create the universe in 6 days?" God answers "Well to me a second of your time is like a million years to me.", the man asks "While I have you God, can you make me a billionaire?" God replies, "Sure, um, just give me a minute."
noliketoregister 4 years ago
Haahaa! I've heard that one, it's great! XD
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Wow! Thanks for the reply. As to the topic "What is God?" hmmm very important question too. I sense that no definition is possible, like Baudrillard's "model of the world" problem, any model of the world becomes part of the world. Sadly 2007 brought us the end of the end of Baudrillard.
noliketoregister 4 years ago
A very good example!
If you like Baudrillard, check out some of the videos of zorio, search for his channel under that name. He's done some vids discussing Baudrillard.
If you can't find him, look at the people I've subscribed to, or just message me and I will give you the link. He's helped me to better get my mind around simularcrum's, etc.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Thought-provoking video and well put together, I thoroughly enjoyed it ;)
TheRavenOfPoe 4 years ago
Thank you very much! ^_^
StevenErnest 4 years ago
exactly! no body knows, and the few who realize this are relieved but still wonder!, wierd science, maybe there is no such thing as nothing, an thats the problem,theres no actual footage or documented cases of nothing, why do our minds except the word nothing!, what are you doing ? nothing, not exactly,your breathing, so when is nothing the truth!
gralien 4 years ago
Thanks for your comments!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
strange but quite interesting :-)
natasha4u2c 4 years ago
Thank you, I appreciate it! ^_^
(This was my first serious vid.)
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Ooo...I like the JC thought - Will have to find some of his writings :)
MsDiscord 4 years ago
Yes, if you like mythology, gods, etc., you'll love Joseph Campbell! He compares the myths of world cultures. Search here on YT for bits of the interview series he did with Bill Moyers.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
The question "What is God" is answered outright in the "Urantia Book".
digital3michael 4 years ago
Well, it is if you believe it. Personally, I think that book is a goofy collection of weird stuff.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Why does the first cause have to be God, an intelligent and all-powerful supernatural being?
Maybe the first cause is something entirely natural.
RescueMich 4 years ago
I don't believe in the supernatural creator god of the three Abrahamic religions. They are always begging the question: Who created god? To say he always existed is not really an answer. In M Theory, it's two "membranes" colliding to form our universe. We may never know how it all got started. It is one vast and amazing mystery.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
In my opinion, God does exist. But through man, and in the good that man does!
fruitmousse 4 years ago
Imagine a woman, a Christian who lived each day by God's laws, so that one day she could be received into God's kingdom. Now imagine she had a son, who didn't believe in a God. He lived each day as his last, a pure hedonist.
How can the mother (in heaven) possibly be content knowing that her son is in hell? Heaven by definition is paradise, and hell eternal torment (or seperation from God).
fruitmousse 4 years ago
Seems the drama in religion is of importance... the stories itself... to validate us and keep a centered focus on us... The Gods have us in mind more than other things.
Censeo 4 years ago
Things that begin to exist require a cause. The universe began to exist. It's thus perfectly legitimate to ask, "What caused the universe?" Unless and until you can demonstrate that God likewise began to exist, there is no demand for a cause of his existence.
WilliamHawthorne1 4 years ago
No, it is still begging the question: "Where did God come from, i.e., get started?" We know of nothing that has existed FOREVER. Everything we've seen has a cause. It is magical and supernatural to say that God didn't "begin to exist" because he/she/it always existed. Why is God exempted from having a first cause? And please don't say he IS the first cause -- that is putting off the answer -- not a real, satisfactory, answer.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Wrong. First, what we know is not determined by what "we've seen". So you've adopted a flimsy epistemology to begin with. Second, whatever caused the existence of spacetime must by definition transcend time and space, viz. be timeless and spaceless. Timeless. Think about that. To ask how a timeless cause got started, as you do, is a CATEGORY MISTAKE of the worst kind. Your objections are illogical and based on sloppy thinking.
WilliamHawthorne1 4 years ago
hmmm.....you got me there, but some people say god has been around forever, and some ppl say that god was created by something else. no one will ever know who created god (if there was a creator)
mikejustmike 4 years ago
I'm glad you're being honest. I know -- god or no god -- existence is one BIG MYSTERY. The three Abrahamic religions say god always was, the uncreated creator, but I feel that begs the question. Maybe an earlier god created god, and so on, but then that just puts off the first creator or origin into infinity, without really finally answering the question.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
I don't blame people for settling for a Creator God explanation -- it is difficult living with the mystery, an unanwered question.
If you'd be interested, I could give you a link to an article called, "Why This Universe?" The author proposes like 27 possible theories for why there is anything. From God, to Big Bang, to mulitple-universes, etc. He has no particular belief to push. Thank you for your thoughtful comments!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
thats definately the best explanation of God that i have heard.
bijosn 4 years ago
Thanks!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
it depends on what you believe. some ppl think god had parents, there is no god, or someting else. what i believe is that god has been around forever and he created every other planet. god is the answer to the unexplained
btw, joe campbell is amazing XD
mikejustmike 4 years ago
But if "god has been around forever," how is than an explanation? If everything needs a creator, how can god not have been created as well?
Yes, Joseph Campbell is great! ^_^
StevenErnest 4 years ago
I think I can answer that. You see, not everything must be created, but I think we agree that everything that begins to exist has a cause. So, in order to prove or explain God's existence, we must first prove that the universe had a beginning.
ThatChristian 4 years ago
I agree with your first statement, but if we prove that the universe had a cause or beginning, that doesn't necessarily prove or explain God's existence. Many Christians say God is the Uncreated Creator = he always existed. But that still begs the question, because as you said, everything has a cause -- a catalyst that brings it about. With or without a God, it's a big mystery: Why/How is there Something, rather than Nothing? So far, I don't think Science or Religion can answer this.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
[]because as you said, everything has a cause -- a catalyst that brings it about.[]
That actually is not what I said, I said that anything that BEGINS to exist has a cause. There's a big difference there.
[]but if we prove that the universe had a cause or beginning, that doesn't necessarily prove or explain God's existence.[]
Well, it certainly raises some questions that I believe are best explained by a personal, infinite, supernatural... Something.
ThatChristian 4 years ago
yea i agree that some science was involved, after God created earch, there had to be something involving scince, like all the plants and mountains forming
mikejustmike 4 years ago
Okay, but who created God?
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Oreceo, 1, there are other action figures, too: Edgar Allan Poe, Cleopatra, Benjamin Franklin, Shakespeare, Freud, and more! The company is called, Accoutrements.
2, Yes, Joseph Campbell spoke a lot about how the word God is for the mystery of existence. A name for the unknowable.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
ok, the reason people say that god is the creator of all is because thats their faith. they cant prove that god created earth, but they believe that because they have faith. most really smart nerds go into detail by saying something about matter and gravity when we talk about the big bang, but most people dont want to go into detail like that so they use god as an answer because they have faith
mikejustmike 4 years ago
Mikejustmike, I pretty much agree with you, but I can't tell if you are supporting faith or criticizing it...? I think faith in a supernatural Creator God is taking the easy way out. With science we have some idea of how things started -- but exactly how and why there is a universe at all may always remain a mystery.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Simple and to the point.
rapidflex 4 years ago
Rapidflex, Thanks! ^_^
StevenErnest 4 years ago
lol allah cannot be photographed haha *silence* a shape. well um thats allah
ZoltanKH 4 years ago
Zoltan, yes, I was being a bit humorous re Allah "preferring not to be photographed."
It actually makes sense to me that a supernatural being can not be depicted visually, other than abstract, or geometric patterns.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
I wanted to hate this, but its pretty enjoyable. The allah stuff was new to me too!
Taintgun 4 years ago
Taintgun, thanks! I appreciate it. Why did you want to hate it? Are you an atheist? I am when it comes to the three Abrahamic religions.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Ya, i'd like to see how you big shots explain how humans were just created when carbon and shit formed together. There has to be something more to it. We didn't evolve from damn fish or anything, we had to have been made by something, were too complex. God is real, you nerds need physical proof, but we failthful people dont.
Caler93 4 years ago