Neil gave out a ''black belt'' to Randy Couture in the cage after he'd choked a pro boxer with about 6 months MMA training. Make of that what you will.
@eltubster14 there are no belts in catch and neil doesnt teach bjj so he cant award anyone belt.Also randy is a great grappler but doesnt have a complete sub grappling game so therefore isnt a black belt standard even though he could hold almost any bjjer in the world to a draw.He wouldnt have the full repetoire of abjj black belt,top and bottom games.
@billysue2 fail of a post. Watch Couture vs Big Nog to see Randy's BJJ knowledge getting out of sub attempts and escaping from bad positions. Catch Wrestlers have just as much repertoire as BJJ guys they just do their stuff a bit differently as they are different philosophies on grappling.
BJJ and catch-wrestling are going to continue to feed off and learn from each other (as they have done for ages) and it's going to keep making both styles better.
I think eventually they'll just converge into one system - just with more options.
cofeild, you don't deserve to be in the same room with melanson, or anyone involved in this sport. Go back to baseball or football, whatever you want, just get the fuck out of combat sports, you don't belong here.
Wrestling from hold to hold -- or, in terms of catch, from hook to hook -- is something Tony Cecchine's Lost Art of Hooking was preaching over a decade ago. It's great that so many pro fighters these days have the wrestling background to be able to work with this philosophy; it's not about the submissions necessarily (though they can be made more efficient): it's about wrestling into and out of positions where to set up your submissions and catch them with a high percentage. That's catch.
@palindabomb +1, I've been training in catch wrestling for the past 3 months, and i have to say. I feel like i learn everything i've learned in BJJ and more. Other than highschool wrestling, I've never taken up a grappling style that works our positioning so much. GRRREEEEAT shit, plus the submissions are badass! V locks, neck cranks, and double wrist locks ALL DAY!!!
@Stigmableedingblack don't get caught up in rankings, the fact of the matter is that Randy has the ability to beat any man,in any weight class, on any given day. Vera is not very good, he should go to k1.
vera champ someday? hell no. Randy has looked bad against top fighters. Got beat by brock, nog and could barely do anything with vera. Randy only looks good against mid level fighters.
Yeah you are right: "wrong top UFC fighters" lol. How can you put Lesnar on the list? He has only fought 3 guys and 1 guy twice. Lesnar potentially can be a top UFC fighter but you give him too credit by saying he is a top fighter.
did machida really say that he should have lost the video , can you show me a video proving that , actually he said watch the fight and turn the sund off in order to not listen to joe rogger and you would see i was the legitime winner
Yea that would be pretty sweet, so would jon jones v phil davis (the pennstate national champ 2008). Phil Davis looked pretty good for his debut at ufc 109.
I don't think Randy is a top 5 fighter. Randy has to fight Jardine, T. Silva, Rampage, etc. before you call him a top five LWH contender. Of all time, Randy is a top 10 fighter but his struggle with Vera clearly shows it will be a tough ride to the top. In any case, I am still a fan of Randy and think he is great for a 46 year old guy. Makes you wanna go and exercise to the soundtrack of Rocky! lol.
No, Dana said Randy is a top 5 fighter in the UFC, which is Dana's justification for Randy if Randy gets a title shot without having to fight a couple of other LHWs. My point is that Randy is not a top 5 UFC OR LHW fighter because he has not proved it yet. Give Randy a couple more fights before the title bout.
I see, I agree with you, I just think he wants to market randy as much as possible since he is not getting any younger... but he definetly need a few more fights against some top LHW like rashad, silva, nate etc.
Neil gave out a ''black belt'' to Randy Couture in the cage after he'd choked a pro boxer with about 6 months MMA training. Make of that what you will.
eltubster14 1 year ago
@eltubster14 there are no belts in catch and neil doesnt teach bjj so he cant award anyone belt.Also randy is a great grappler but doesnt have a complete sub grappling game so therefore isnt a black belt standard even though he could hold almost any bjjer in the world to a draw.He wouldnt have the full repetoire of abjj black belt,top and bottom games.
billysue2 10 months ago
@billysue2 fail of a post. Watch Couture vs Big Nog to see Randy's BJJ knowledge getting out of sub attempts and escaping from bad positions. Catch Wrestlers have just as much repertoire as BJJ guys they just do their stuff a bit differently as they are different philosophies on grappling.
mmalegitimate 9 months ago
BJJ and catch-wrestling are going to continue to feed off and learn from each other (as they have done for ages) and it's going to keep making both styles better.
I think eventually they'll just converge into one system - just with more options.
Awesome.
Itsnattatooma 1 year ago
cofeild, you don't deserve to be in the same room with melanson, or anyone involved in this sport. Go back to baseball or football, whatever you want, just get the fuck out of combat sports, you don't belong here.
mrua888 1 year ago
melanson is a smart guy. got most of his knowledge from Karo and Gokor
khaking02 1 year ago
yea neil melanson is sick. iv trained with robert drysdale and Scott Bieri but neil is the best. way waayy beter
jackiechavez7 1 year ago
@jackiechavez7 Wow! That's saying a lot! I was gonna go to Vegas and train at both places as well as Cobra Kai. Can't wait!
WhtMike2006 1 year ago
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AmericanCombatAssoc 2 years ago
Great interview and explination.
AmericanCombatAssoc 2 years ago
Melanson is friggin huge, I wanna see some videos of what exactly he teaches
QBBlair16 2 years ago
Neil Melanson is a smart dude, there should be more interviews with him. Thoroughly enjoyed this interview.
region1111 2 years ago
Wrestling from hold to hold -- or, in terms of catch, from hook to hook -- is something Tony Cecchine's Lost Art of Hooking was preaching over a decade ago. It's great that so many pro fighters these days have the wrestling background to be able to work with this philosophy; it's not about the submissions necessarily (though they can be made more efficient): it's about wrestling into and out of positions where to set up your submissions and catch them with a high percentage. That's catch.
palindabomb 2 years ago 5
@palindabomb +1, I've been training in catch wrestling for the past 3 months, and i have to say. I feel like i learn everything i've learned in BJJ and more. Other than highschool wrestling, I've never taken up a grappling style that works our positioning so much. GRRREEEEAT shit, plus the submissions are badass! V locks, neck cranks, and double wrist locks ALL DAY!!!
JustinThoj 1 year ago
Couture isnt even top 10 and neither is Vera.
Coleman is not top 100.
Stigmableedingblack 2 years ago
@Stigmableedingblack don't get caught up in rankings, the fact of the matter is that Randy has the ability to beat any man,in any weight class, on any given day. Vera is not very good, he should go to k1.
mrua888 1 year ago
this douche is so full of himself, seriously Randy would submit Vera? this guy is delusional
snakerattle79 2 years ago
vera champ someday? hell no. Randy has looked bad against top fighters. Got beat by brock, nog and could barely do anything with vera. Randy only looks good against mid level fighters.
potyunbe 2 years ago
"It's not about me and who I am, it's about the information."
I love it.
region1111 2 years ago
wrong top UFC fighters
Shogun
A. Silva
BJ Penn
GSP
Lesnar
Machida- maybe his win was bull even he said he should have lost the belt
coralspringsmsheen 2 years ago
Yeah you are right: "wrong top UFC fighters" lol. How can you put Lesnar on the list? He has only fought 3 guys and 1 guy twice. Lesnar potentially can be a top UFC fighter but you give him too credit by saying he is a top fighter.
votumseparatum1 2 years ago
@coralspringsmsheen
did machida really say that he should have lost the video , can you show me a video proving that , actually he said watch the fight and turn the sund off in order to not listen to joe rogger and you would see i was the legitime winner
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gizzmo11477 2 years ago
Randy vs jon jones that a dream match iight there
lamont20 2 years ago
u mean jon the snitch jones?
MixedTracialArtist 2 years ago
JOn Jones by death
bettzeug 2 years ago
Yea that would be pretty sweet, so would jon jones v phil davis (the pennstate national champ 2008). Phil Davis looked pretty good for his debut at ufc 109.
rons2021 2 years ago
I don't think Randy is a top 5 fighter. Randy has to fight Jardine, T. Silva, Rampage, etc. before you call him a top five LWH contender. Of all time, Randy is a top 10 fighter but his struggle with Vera clearly shows it will be a tough ride to the top. In any case, I am still a fan of Randy and think he is great for a 46 year old guy. Makes you wanna go and exercise to the soundtrack of Rocky! lol.
Top 5 UFC fighters:
A. Silva
GSP
B.J. Penn
Machida
Close call between a few others.
votumseparatum1 2 years ago
Don't they mean top 5 in the 205 division? Not in the whole ufc?
TheBigSmurf88 2 years ago
No, Dana said Randy is a top 5 fighter in the UFC, which is Dana's justification for Randy if Randy gets a title shot without having to fight a couple of other LHWs. My point is that Randy is not a top 5 UFC OR LHW fighter because he has not proved it yet. Give Randy a couple more fights before the title bout.
votumseparatum1 2 years ago
I see, I agree with you, I just think he wants to market randy as much as possible since he is not getting any younger... but he definetly need a few more fights against some top LHW like rashad, silva, nate etc.
TheBigSmurf88 2 years ago