A bunch of nuts that know nothing about railroading making a bunch of idiotic comments. The engines coupled to the passenger train on purpose to help it get started. Amazing how stupid some people are!!! All this was no accident.
Also, did it ever cross anyone's mind that the guy saying he has a radio would have HEARD the locomotive crew and conductor talking to make sure the coupler on the rear was ready to be coupled if this were intentional. Railroads dont couple trains without communication. Now whose comments are stupid? Also, the conductor would have been sent outside to count the engineer of the UP locomotive down to the car to avoid a "Hard" coupling. All the "Intentional" theories are debunked.
I have seen plenty of Amtrak trains do the same thing, in fact, there are plenty of clips here on Youtube on this very subject. If this was a light power move sent to assist the Amtrak train, then you'll get a bump, or light jolt when they couple up
UP built and owns those tracks. I'm sure they didn't care. I'm also sure the Amtrak hadn't communicated their change in speed. It's not like these trains send out their absolute positions, very low resolution.
why am i not surprised a bunch of dumb asses are stating false information in this video... i bet when she told the story to her friends she made it soooo dramatic like bitches like her normally do...
If this was an accident, then can someone PLEASE post an up-to-date working link to the NTSB report? Two of the links I've tried that people have posted just fizzle out and go nowhere (not surprisingly).
Thats a helper locomotive. The delay was probably a air brake test. Looks like it was a bit of a down grade. Thats the jolt you felt when making the hook. Since its a passengers train they had to make a announcement so the passengers wont be alarmed.
To everyone saying that the Amtrak train was stalled and UP sent some power to help out, unfortunately, you are incorrect with your assumptions. The UP train was the ZG2LT 16 and it DID rear end the Zephyr at a very low speed. Copy and paste the url below for the news article:
Well...from what I gather from watching the entire video...which most failed to do I'm sure...the UP engine rearended the pasenger service Amtrak train...the employee even acknowledges this...
I find it so funny that all of you know what happened. The train was rear ended by a UP train that had cars. We were stopped because of snow removal in front of us. The tracks were closed. Train 5 (this train) was stopped behind our snow escort until the tracks south of switch 9 were cleared. I know this cause I was the engineer on 5. So all you shanty lawyers and so called experienced rails now know what really happened.
@1newhawg ya...and from another web site it looks like the conductor and engineer on the engine/train that rear-ended you hard enough to break the back-up hose line on #5 were held out of service...sure looked like their front platform was a long way under the vestibule of #5's last coach! What happened at the disciplinary hearing?
THATS UP 4571 a SD70M part of the 1000 unit order UP placed in 2000, it's DC traction and it's in the mountains bad place for a DC traction engine (CAUSE it would stall)
This is no collision...idiot...this is a pusher engine...not and entire train...look through the window of the locomotive and YOU WILL SEE NO TRAIN CARS behind it...look right through the window at the track behind it. The reason you felt a nudge is because we have to make sure the coupling is made before we push you through the snow...not to mention that engine weighs 439,000 pounds vs. that light passenger car. We always have to clear AMTRASH out of the way of freight in the snow...too light!
@longwhip Modern passenger rail cars are not light and they contain draft gear that cushions slack action...if the passengers felt a "jolt" then the coupling speed was too fast. The real question is whether or not the crew of the pusher engine stopped and notified the Amtrak on-board staff that they were about to couple to the loaded passenger car.
@tprdfh51 I am kinda sorta with you on that. I am a conductor and have moved passenger cars and even with the "ez-coupler" self lining types, you can have a mismatch of the sill step on either the engine or the passenger car that can cause some bumping and seemingly harder than normal coupling even if it is less than 4MPH which is the prefered coupling speed on freight,the diners we moved to a repair facility seemed that no matter how soft you tried to couple, is was a hard couple feeling
Oh here we go again, someone that thinks they are an expert draws thier own conclusion and basically slanders the railroad when they have no clue about the operations of the industry. I worked onboard the Zephyr for 13 years as an attendant and you felt nothing but a slight attatchment of a locomotive to the rear (532) sleeper. I'm sure you are simply trying to take advantage of this harmless situation in an effort to gain something, but you won't. But nice try Lena
I suspect someone at Union Pacific is going to be in big trouble over this. I would think that either this was caused by an engineer who did not follow signals or someone in signalling or dispatch did not tell the freight train to stop to allow Amtrak to get sufficient distance ahead, or possibly either the Amtrak train or the UP Freight Train was traveling at the wrong speed. It could also be to a switch that was set wrong too, but that is less likely
@niselat Actually, the only pushing the UP train did was a few inches. Then we spent a while getting unhooked from each other before finally being on our way. Read the news on the subject if you don't believe me.
@niselat You dont place a DPU (Distributed Power Unit) on passenger trains, genius. Its a brilliant way to derail the train. DPUs are only for longer and heavier freight trains. The breif amount of cars on a passenger train would be derailed by the unequivelance of pull vs push. The rear unit would push the cars with such might that the rear car would be lifted. You, sir know nothing of which you speak. I do. I rest my case. Any helpers needed, would be added to the front.
To everyone watching. You all just need to be quiet. Those of who think this was intentional, read my prior two comments. NO railway with any amount of intelligence would EVER place a DPU on a damn passenger train unless they wanted a derailment. Also, if this was "Intentional", there would be no need to await clearance and the passengers would have been alerted before the incident, not after. My entire family generation has worked for the railways and they agree with me on this. Get eduacated.
@nsrailfann4life91 so again you think that 1 they just happened stop with out any damage to the amtrack train. they wouldnt use the other train to push if they had to. You comment "pushing with such migh" sounds like somthing from thomas the tank engine. have you ever heard of ac locomotives. they have more control than the old power. all these comments are just stupid. alot of model railroaders playing with real trains on youtube.
@chopperdave309 Dude, it is called a low speed freight train that went into emergency and made contact at low speed. Also, I know what I speak of, two I know the difference between AC (Alternating Current) traction and DC (Direct Current) traction systems. Dont throw that at me. It is all physics. My 2nd cousin, whom WORKS for Amtrak, told me that they always add extra power to the front and not the rear. Also, the chaos on the train would not be caused if this were intentional. Thanks. Bye.
@niselat Sorry, bud, but that makes you no expert. Obviously not much of an expert if you think this was intentional. Sorry to say, but uh.. Your info is wrong, my friend. If you are such an expert, then tell me what the most commonly seen consist lineup is for the #19 Amtrak that runs from New Orleans and on up through the Northeast.
@niselat Of course there is a crew on board the locomotive. ALL trains operate with a crew, even yard jobs. So that comment makes absolutely no sense or point. Who cares what railroad it is. Amtrak runs off of shared trackage rights from most Class 1s. UP has used freight locomoties to help stranded P trains before, but the power is always added to the front end, unless you see another P42DC rear facing on the back, which is not that common anymore due to the high use of Cab Cars & Cabbages.
@niselat No, you are a dumbass. I have railway experience and look at the frontal platform of the UP SD70, you will see that the frontal platform is BURIED into the rear of the Amtrak. This was no intentional coupling as the coupler is broken on the front of that locomotive. Otherwise, it would not be shoved up against the car. Also, if it was "Needed to get the train through the snow" it would be coupled to the front end to avoid causing the power distribution to be un-equal.
it reallly is sad how you sit and make commets about something you now nothing about. you were not rearend or crashed into! how many times must you here that. you were being pushed. but since you know the railroad industry so well why should i tell you anything. i have only been around it 36 years
@chopperdave309 If you are i the business then you probably should have heard about this. People were fired, etc. No one pushed us, it was an accidental coupling. We had to sit there for a while while they unhooked us.
@deviantLena first off you what you saw was a crew change. second. check the ntsb web site for the accident report. the is none. There is also not an open case. you were not hit. no one was fired.
@chopperdave309 NO railway places a DPU high torque freight locomotive on the rear end of such a short passenger train. Extra power is always added to the FRONT for P trains. The passenger cars are too light and the rear car would be lifted by the un-equal distribution of power. Also, if this were to occur "Intentionally" they would alert the passengers before hand. I have ridden Amtrak MANY times and whenver we were to experience such a change, we were made aware AHEAD of time, not after.
If you listen to the end, you hear something about spreaders clearing the track. To me, this points to you guys were either stuck or stalled out. Those locomotives would have been nowhere near you under any circumstance, especially under those conditions, unless if he got permission from the dispatcher to proceed at a speed in which he could have stopped in half of his line of sight, which is usually 15MPH or less. But 400+ tons moving at 5 mph will bounce you around.
Despite the things i said before, i will admit, if somehow those engines lost there brakes (nearly impossible), and was traveling over the speed limit, i kid you not everybody in that last car would have been very seriously injured if not killed, thankfully u just experienced a minor bump, he may have been traveling over 5 mph which is standard coupling speed, perhaps ice or the weather, this was at Nordon correct?
@NJTCOMET It was an unexpected JOLT... on top of the mountain, next to the cliff and yes it could have been a LOT worse. We are all lucky that all we experienced was a LONG delay while they unhooked the trains from each other.
@NJTCOMET don't know where you get your standard coupling speed from nutcomet but the proper coupling speed for for freight equipment is one that does not damage lading or equipment - for passenger equipment coupling speed is one that does not disturb the passengers...obviously that was not the case in this incident.
Oh my god, this whole thing was just HILARIOUS, that lady, "oh he was sleeping and he hit his head". Lady are you kidding me, REALLY? All this was just a helper move to help Amtrak out of the snow or to help Amtrak up the grade, this was no accident, WOW, and that 1 guy with the radio "oh this subject has not come up yet" BECAUSE IT WAS A HELPER MOVE, the signal system was working fine, the dispatcher indeed clear him to proceed at a restricted speed until he coupled.
@NJTCOMET Conductor: "I'm sure everybody felt alittle bump there, we were just COUPLED ONTO by the freight engine behind us". People this was all routine! And didn't you notice that you continued on with the Union Pacific engines coupled on behind you? Yea we just had a collision between a Union Pacific freight train and an Amtrak train train....we are gonna keep goin.. SURE "And the next question is why wasn't the signal system protecting him" It was, he was given clearance to couple to you...
@NJTCOMET Again, NOT A HELPER! It was an UNEXPECTED CRASH into the back of the train. He was using the word "coupled" because we became connected when they hit us. People were fired over this, it wasnt planned.
You guys were NOT rear ended... They sent a light engine movement of two Union Pacific engines, the Amtrak was stuck in snow, so they got some engines to help push you guys out.
@deviantLena You guys are dumb. Ride a frickin' air plane next time......less likely for a set of light engines to tie onto you to push you out, when you're up in the the air.
@bnsf4 Hopefully the foamer idiots, rushed right home, called their attornies to prepare the mother of all lawsuits---and after their investigation, the attornies LTAO and sent the foamers a bill for $5,000 for all the nothingness..
Little Dobie the faggot loves to post comments like this because he has failed at social skills, that would leave him more of the man he claims to be. You should hear this Dobie crybaby whine and wimper when he can't find something to bitch about and berate. What would you be doing in this situation ? Uh Dobie Faggot? If you ever get into a situation like this, douche bag, I hope someone posts it to Youtube so everybody can ream your ass for being such a pussy.
I was on this train, and this was quite the experience. I was also in the rear sleeper car, in the family bedroom, right behind the trailing bogie. This (and the delay at Roseville, CA afterwards) was a really interesting twist to the trip.
@bsquiklehausen My original destination was Sacramento but I made arrangements to be picked up in Colfax. I just couldn't bare to stay on the train any longer.
@deviantLena Because of the delay from UP's "kiss", the engine crew's time in the cab expired, and a new crew had to be driven in from Emeryville. We had to wait another hour and a half or so, and we eventually arrived in Emeryville about 7 hours late.
@bsquiklehausen OH! Well at least the crew was taken care of!!! What about the passengers? Such bullshit. They could have very well made that 10 minute ride into Sacramento to relieve their guests!! =(
@gp40mc That's sucky. They should definitely put their passengers ahead of the staff. I pay the cost of a cruise to the carribean for my train ticket across country. It would be nice to be treated with respect. It's all about customer relations.
@deviantLena yes amtrak has some ridiculous prices, its too bad they cant make it more affordable because i think more people would consider taking the train across the country if it was cheaper. You can see way more scenery by taking the train than by flying, but flying is a fraction of the price when you add sleepers on!!
All hours of service regulations allow for the operator (airline pilot, train crew, truck driver, etc) to proceed to the closest point of safe harbor with their goods. And sitting on a mainline rail in the Sierras in a snow storm is not safe harbor. As several have explained the UP engines are "helpers" to assist the Zephyr our of the mess it was in. And most likely to get the Amtrak crew to their hotel since they were out of hours since they needed their "nappy time".
The Amtrak train was obviously told to hold at a designated mile marker by the dispatcher while snow was bieng cleared ahead. The frieght likely had a pemissable signal displaying a restricting indication or told by the dispatcher to proceed at restricting so the train would not stall due to the weather if on an uphill grade. The freight crew was probably trying to keep at a speed to not loose momentum (max 15mph) but should have known the location of the Amtrak train from the dispatcher.
@MrZkr123 You have to take into account that trains don't stop quickly. There are several factors such as reaction time (the time the operator sees the train and applys the brakes), brake lag (the time it takes for the brakes to apply throughout the train), train wieght and momentum, and less friction between wheel and rail from snow or ice.
@inteldell01 Dude don't use such large terms as "Brake Lag" and Momentum.... the douche who posted this is too much of a dick head too understand Railroad terminology.......
@MrZkr123 You have to take into account that trains don't stop quickly. There are several factors such as reaction time (the time the operator sees the train and applys the brakes), brake lag (the time it takes for the brakes to apply throughout the train), train wieght and momentum, and less friction between wheel and rail from snow or ice.
@inteldell01 no bud...a diesal locomotive develops it's maximum tractive effort at low speed - it's an old wives tale from the steam era that somehow a diesal electric locomotive must have speed to make the grade...sand is far more important. And the crew of the freight train must proceed on a restricting signal indication at a speed that will allow them to stop within halfthe rangeision - even if it means crawling along a 1 - 2 mph.
If the train was really "snowbound", then this is probably a helper. The helper may have made a rough hitch. When the brake shoes are caked with snow, the brakes sometimes don't grab too well.
It woulda been funny if you WERE on in the rear car of the train and you were at the door and the freight hit and you fell out the door and got hit! It shoulda happened because the world would have 1 less dick head!!!
The maker of this film obviously is not a railfan like one knowledgable viewer may think by the "termage" and/or "knowledge" used in the filming. A real railfan would have not put this on youtube. A real railfan wouldnt be bashing the crew of a class 1 freight RR, mistake or not. The engineer is not a retard, he is an operator. The conductor is the retard.
@unkonshus they are jointly responsible I'm a UP Conductor from the Roseville Service Unit, the conductor or any crew member can stop the train if the engineer fails to comply with the rules, plus I think moving a train at restricted speed and coupling it to the rear of an Amtrak train is not an option... Both were pulled out of service
@unkonshus Conductor and engineer are jointly responsible for the safety and protection of their train. They are equally responsible and thus equally retarded
@benbattles I dont like they way that came out sounding now that i read it. Neither crew member is a retard but there was a lapse in judgement somewhere along the line for sure. Whether it was on the UP crew, DS74, or perhaps the AMTK crew's fault(and it is possible), I have no idea. I have only run light power thru snow on grades of 1% and only image coming down Donner w/ 8000 trailing tons at freezing temps in near white out conditions. All i know is that u can single out the condr of the frt
@coborn35 FYI I work this territory on a regular basis, on real live trains believe it or not. I have personally been disciplined due to this engineer being a retard. Another good conductor was fired from this incident because yes, this engineer is a retard. And to the guy with the comment about stopping 5000 tons of train, 5000 tons ain't shit. You've seen Unstopable too many times... OMG it's 29 cars!
@hawggernaut Yeah, that Z is always small its not like it was a 14,000 ton grainer. Besides that I can back you up on this subject as I have fired with this dude and and he was trying to get me to soft set em up at switch 9!
@christopher9030 doesn't matter--if it wasn't working, then it's restricted speed after being reported in. Dark signals, play out as displayed as a red.
What the hell "My sleeper car was the caboose" learn better English that is like saying my helicopter was my boat. The correct way to say what you are trying to say would be My car was on the rear of the train.
@Ham549 Alright, so the last car on a freight train is called a caboose. This is how we referred to being the last car on the train. Before you go insulting someone's English, you should try taking some punctuation lessons online.
No the rear of a train is not called the caboose! It is called.... well the end of the train or last car. Go to Wikipedia look up "Caboose" then look up "Superliner (railcar)" and tell me which one you were in.
I'm a licensed engineer and know the GCOR. I just wouldn't have flagged a block in snow conditions, even after Amtrak stated on the radio they were stopped (I know the engineer personally on Amtrak). I've stopped between signals after someone said they were stopped--then they would announce they are on the move. Tough situation and I know how it's blinding in the snow.
If the engineer did his job traveling a speed that was able to stop 1/2 the distance of travel (GCOR 6.27), then that would have NOT HAPPENED! When Amtrak engineer said on the radio "we're stopped here" as they heard the UPRR Z-train calling out signals and passing the red number plated signal, they should have stopped. Amtrak engineer have done in the past as well as any other railroad "we're on the move, come on down!" was the safe way and has always been done that way.
@handcar we don't have to stop at a number plated signal. It's called Restricted Proceed. But granted the Z engineer should have flagged up a lot slower then he did.
the idiot recording this, could have spared us his foamer/armchair ntsb inspector bullshit. just another idiot foamer, without a clue, running his mouth like he has a clue. then fat assed bitch complains from her room, that the bump caused her 13 pies and 9 cakes to shift slightly on the bed, causing her fat assed kid to bump his head as he lunged for the moving treats. i wish i could find the loudmouthed narrator, i'd love to punch him in the face. idiot foamer railfag fan.
Betcha there wasn't any need for exlax in Omaha when this little ditty came over the speakers in the dispatch office.
Hoghead will get a UPgrade alright at Level 5++ fer shure.
Restriced speed, short version: you have to be able to stop the equipment you are on within half the sight distance of your vison. And, if you can't see aroud a curve, send out the conductor. That's what they're for.
Being an engineer and running in snow with 5000 tons and going restricted speed in the snow you better be going very slow because snow and ice will build up on the brake shoes and when you apply the brakes you are smashing down on snow instead of the brake material and until that is all gone you are not getting the stopping power you would expect on a non snowy day. That really adds to the stopping distance required from normal.
The freight train was most likely "cleared" by the dispatcher. The signal system then displays a stop signal at "home" signals and a Restricting at intermediate signals. It appears that this area is between home signals. Therefore the Freight was probably running on a restricting, meaning at Restricted Speed. Restricted speed-Proceed prepared to stop in half the range of vision, at a speed not to exceed 15. So most likely the freight was obeying that rule yet due to the snow was unable to stop
@ns9805 Your explanation sounds like the most logical situation. CTC. Those "home" signals are Absolute Signals or Control Points by GCOR. 6.27 Restricted Speed: When required to move at Restricted Speed, movement must be made at a speed that allows for stopping within half the range of vision short of TERMS D. When trains and engines that are required to move at RS, crews must keep a lookout for broken rail and not exceed 20mph.
@Locomotive450 Not very fast; I can't really judge it. It felt like a JOLT that no one was prepared for. I was standing by the coffee machine talking to an older gentleman when it happened. I had to grab onto his arm to stop us both from falling.
Interesting those that know very little about railroading make up the dumbest comments and treat there assumptions as being fact. "oh it's gotta be that way." Oh well. At least nobody was hurt.
A bunch of nuts that know nothing about railroading making a bunch of idiotic comments. The engines coupled to the passenger train on purpose to help it get started. Amazing how stupid some people are!!! All this was no accident.
Tex5x5 13 hours ago
Also, did it ever cross anyone's mind that the guy saying he has a radio would have HEARD the locomotive crew and conductor talking to make sure the coupler on the rear was ready to be coupled if this were intentional. Railroads dont couple trains without communication. Now whose comments are stupid? Also, the conductor would have been sent outside to count the engineer of the UP locomotive down to the car to avoid a "Hard" coupling. All the "Intentional" theories are debunked.
nsrailfann4life91 2 days ago
I have seen plenty of Amtrak trains do the same thing, in fact, there are plenty of clips here on Youtube on this very subject. If this was a light power move sent to assist the Amtrak train, then you'll get a bump, or light jolt when they couple up
greywolf45 5 days ago
UP built and owns those tracks. I'm sure they didn't care. I'm also sure the Amtrak hadn't communicated their change in speed. It's not like these trains send out their absolute positions, very low resolution.
leejo2011 1 week ago
why am i not surprised a bunch of dumb asses are stating false information in this video... i bet when she told the story to her friends she made it soooo dramatic like bitches like her normally do...
xxHaloVidsxx 1 week ago
Somebody was Terminated for this. They teach us all better.
WLeasure2109 2 weeks ago
"youll have to look at the incident report" so that company rep said theres an incident. thats all you can say.
choppersilver 2 weeks ago
Nobody died, no one was hurt and these people are complaining, bunch of fucking babies.
Vintage1976 1 month ago
funny how the guys think they know what they are talking about lol
alexander1485 1 month ago
If this was an accident, then can someone PLEASE post an up-to-date working link to the NTSB report? Two of the links I've tried that people have posted just fizzle out and go nowhere (not surprisingly).
culveyhouse 1 month ago
Like everyone else said. It's a helper you twit
dafrog55 1 month ago
Thats a helper locomotive. The delay was probably a air brake test. Looks like it was a bit of a down grade. Thats the jolt you felt when making the hook. Since its a passengers train they had to make a announcement so the passengers wont be alarmed.
Argosyband 1 month ago
probably just a pusher that came in too fast...and couldn't stop and made a sudden jolt highly doubt you were rear ended.....
TrainHornsInTheNight 2 months ago
To everyone saying that the Amtrak train was stalled and UP sent some power to help out, unfortunately, you are incorrect with your assumptions. The UP train was the ZG2LT 16 and it DID rear end the Zephyr at a very low speed. Copy and paste the url below for the news article:
kolotv.com/home/headlines/Amtrak_Train_Bumped_On_its_Way_Over_Donner_Summit_116513093.html
jordanism22 2 months ago
Crazy. Too bad you werent filming when it hit! still great stuff!
OmahaTom 2 months ago
FRA/NTSB does not have a investigation on this. It was not a accident.
superjohndeere4450 2 months ago
Well...from what I gather from watching the entire video...which most failed to do I'm sure...the UP engine rearended the pasenger service Amtrak train...the employee even acknowledges this...
vettelover2009 2 months ago
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NJTCOMET 2 months ago
wow everybody is an expert..especially the guy giving the play by play.....geee judge, jury and executioner!
TheSeabiscuit39 2 months ago
I love how the poster blows this out of proportion, kind of like the news. Get real.
GRS504videos 2 months ago
I would love to get a love tap from an EMD SD70M any day of the week :) Much luv for ya Union Pacific!!!
iRECKONER 2 months ago
I find it so funny that all of you know what happened. The train was rear ended by a UP train that had cars. We were stopped because of snow removal in front of us. The tracks were closed. Train 5 (this train) was stopped behind our snow escort until the tracks south of switch 9 were cleared. I know this cause I was the engineer on 5. So all you shanty lawyers and so called experienced rails now know what really happened.
1newhawg 2 months ago
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tprdfh51 2 months ago
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@1newhawg ya...and from another web site it looks like the conductor and engineer on the engine/train that rear-ended you hard enough to break the back-up hose line on #5 were held out of service...sure looked like their front platform was a long way under the vestibule of #5's last coach! What happened at the disciplinary hearing?
tprdfh51 2 months ago
THATS UP 4571 a SD70M part of the 1000 unit order UP placed in 2000, it's DC traction and it's in the mountains bad place for a DC traction engine (CAUSE it would stall)
sd70m2man 2 months ago
Its a helper unit not a freight train!
njtcoastline 2 months ago
This is why the Chinese are gonna take us over
stormrider620331 3 months ago
Amtrak does not use A caboose's
lakflo 3 months ago 2
Morons, typical 'sheeple'.... the engineer even notified everyone what was happening....and stil you think hes 'rear-ended' you...
4Mr2ThC0 3 months ago
This is no collision...idiot...this is a pusher engine...not and entire train...look through the window of the locomotive and YOU WILL SEE NO TRAIN CARS behind it...look right through the window at the track behind it. The reason you felt a nudge is because we have to make sure the coupling is made before we push you through the snow...not to mention that engine weighs 439,000 pounds vs. that light passenger car. We always have to clear AMTRASH out of the way of freight in the snow...too light!
longwhip 3 months ago
@longwhip Modern passenger rail cars are not light and they contain draft gear that cushions slack action...if the passengers felt a "jolt" then the coupling speed was too fast. The real question is whether or not the crew of the pusher engine stopped and notified the Amtrak on-board staff that they were about to couple to the loaded passenger car.
tprdfh51 2 months ago
@tprdfh51 I am kinda sorta with you on that. I am a conductor and have moved passenger cars and even with the "ez-coupler" self lining types, you can have a mismatch of the sill step on either the engine or the passenger car that can cause some bumping and seemingly harder than normal coupling even if it is less than 4MPH which is the prefered coupling speed on freight,the diners we moved to a repair facility seemed that no matter how soft you tried to couple, is was a hard couple feeling
longwhip 2 months ago
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The people talking in this video are soooo fucking stupid...
AsianPerson3 3 months ago 2
Oh here we go again, someone that thinks they are an expert draws thier own conclusion and basically slanders the railroad when they have no clue about the operations of the industry. I worked onboard the Zephyr for 13 years as an attendant and you felt nothing but a slight attatchment of a locomotive to the rear (532) sleeper. I'm sure you are simply trying to take advantage of this harmless situation in an effort to gain something, but you won't. But nice try Lena
trackboi27 3 months ago
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C60AC 3 months ago
I suspect someone at Union Pacific is going to be in big trouble over this. I would think that either this was caused by an engineer who did not follow signals or someone in signalling or dispatch did not tell the freight train to stop to allow Amtrak to get sufficient distance ahead, or possibly either the Amtrak train or the UP Freight Train was traveling at the wrong speed. It could also be to a switch that was set wrong too, but that is less likely
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Lol. If you had been rear-ended you sure as heck would know. -MAYBE- they coupled a bit rough, and considering the weather I'm not really suprised.
LoneSniperSG 3 months ago
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LoneSniperSG 3 months ago
Lena you are a dumbass. That locomotive was intentionally coupled onto the back of the train to push it through the snow.
"I'd suspect that thar was a discplin'ry off-fense"
"Speshully after'n I put this on that thar You'insTube"
niselat 4 months ago 6
@niselat Actually, the only pushing the UP train did was a few inches. Then we spent a while getting unhooked from each other before finally being on our way. Read the news on the subject if you don't believe me.
deviantLena 4 months ago 2
@deviantLena Well said. And for all of the self-proclaimed know-it-alls, LOOK IT UP!! It was all over the railroad forums and discussion boards.
emd70mac 2 months ago
@emd70mac What about the FRA/NTSB report show me the facts please .
superjohndeere4450 2 months ago
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nsrailfann4life91 5 days ago
@niselat You dont place a DPU (Distributed Power Unit) on passenger trains, genius. Its a brilliant way to derail the train. DPUs are only for longer and heavier freight trains. The breif amount of cars on a passenger train would be derailed by the unequivelance of pull vs push. The rear unit would push the cars with such might that the rear car would be lifted. You, sir know nothing of which you speak. I do. I rest my case. Any helpers needed, would be added to the front.
nsrailfann4life91 5 days ago
To everyone watching. You all just need to be quiet. Those of who think this was intentional, read my prior two comments. NO railway with any amount of intelligence would EVER place a DPU on a damn passenger train unless they wanted a derailment. Also, if this was "Intentional", there would be no need to await clearance and the passengers would have been alerted before the incident, not after. My entire family generation has worked for the railways and they agree with me on this. Get eduacated.
nsrailfann4life91 4 days ago
@nsrailfann4life91 so again you think that 1 they just happened stop with out any damage to the amtrack train. they wouldnt use the other train to push if they had to. You comment "pushing with such migh" sounds like somthing from thomas the tank engine. have you ever heard of ac locomotives. they have more control than the old power. all these comments are just stupid. alot of model railroaders playing with real trains on youtube.
chopperdave309 4 days ago
@chopperdave309 Dude, it is called a low speed freight train that went into emergency and made contact at low speed. Also, I know what I speak of, two I know the difference between AC (Alternating Current) traction and DC (Direct Current) traction systems. Dont throw that at me. It is all physics. My 2nd cousin, whom WORKS for Amtrak, told me that they always add extra power to the front and not the rear. Also, the chaos on the train would not be caused if this were intentional. Thanks. Bye.
nsrailfann4life91 3 days ago
@nsrailfann4life91 my COUSIN works for Amtrak so I am an EXPERT
niselat 2 days ago
@niselat Sorry, bud, but that makes you no expert. Obviously not much of an expert if you think this was intentional. Sorry to say, but uh.. Your info is wrong, my friend. If you are such an expert, then tell me what the most commonly seen consist lineup is for the #19 Amtrak that runs from New Orleans and on up through the Northeast.
nsrailfann4life91 1 day ago
@nsrailfann4life91 maybe on the NS but the UP is a higher class railroad with a better standard of operations
plus there was a crew in it
duh
niselat 2 days ago
@niselat Of course there is a crew on board the locomotive. ALL trains operate with a crew, even yard jobs. So that comment makes absolutely no sense or point. Who cares what railroad it is. Amtrak runs off of shared trackage rights from most Class 1s. UP has used freight locomoties to help stranded P trains before, but the power is always added to the front end, unless you see another P42DC rear facing on the back, which is not that common anymore due to the high use of Cab Cars & Cabbages.
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@niselat No, you are a dumbass. I have railway experience and look at the frontal platform of the UP SD70, you will see that the frontal platform is BURIED into the rear of the Amtrak. This was no intentional coupling as the coupler is broken on the front of that locomotive. Otherwise, it would not be shoved up against the car. Also, if it was "Needed to get the train through the snow" it would be coupled to the front end to avoid causing the power distribution to be un-equal.
nsrailfann4life91 4 days ago
@niselat Love the accent haha
edj66 3 days ago
and how do you know anyone was fired
chopperdave309 4 months ago
it reallly is sad how you sit and make commets about something you now nothing about. you were not rearend or crashed into! how many times must you here that. you were being pushed. but since you know the railroad industry so well why should i tell you anything. i have only been around it 36 years
chopperdave309 4 months ago 7
@chopperdave309 If you are i the business then you probably should have heard about this. People were fired, etc. No one pushed us, it was an accidental coupling. We had to sit there for a while while they unhooked us.
deviantLena 4 months ago
@deviantLena first off you what you saw was a crew change. second. check the ntsb web site for the accident report. the is none. There is also not an open case. you were not hit. no one was fired.
chopperdave309 4 months ago
@chopperdave309 hate to tell ya we were rear ended. I was running number 5 that day. don't listen to this knucklehead foamer talking.
1newhawg 2 months ago
@1newhawg seems like everyone was the engineer one this train. i call bs on the whole dam deal. you should punch the guy with the camera in the face.
chopperdave309 1 month ago
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nsrailfann4life91 4 days ago
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@chopperdave309 NO railway places a DPU high torque freight locomotive on the rear end of such a short passenger train. Extra power is always added to the FRONT for P trains. The passenger cars are too light and the rear car would be lifted by the un-equal distribution of power. Also, if this were to occur "Intentionally" they would alert the passengers before hand. I have ridden Amtrak MANY times and whenver we were to experience such a change, we were made aware AHEAD of time, not after.
nsrailfann4life91 4 days ago
If you listen to the end, you hear something about spreaders clearing the track. To me, this points to you guys were either stuck or stalled out. Those locomotives would have been nowhere near you under any circumstance, especially under those conditions, unless if he got permission from the dispatcher to proceed at a speed in which he could have stopped in half of his line of sight, which is usually 15MPH or less. But 400+ tons moving at 5 mph will bounce you around.
Msts196 4 months ago
Question for the Engineer of the UP Train. If you see this video and comment in addition I have a question for you, "U MAD, BRO?"
BigJ782011 4 months ago
may i have your drivers licence and you regestration pleas
Survivor1547 4 months ago
A goddam fender bender with lawyers on board! What a load of carp!
2906Sarge 4 months ago
Lucky you were just bumped at a low speed.
justkiddin08 5 months ago
Despite the things i said before, i will admit, if somehow those engines lost there brakes (nearly impossible), and was traveling over the speed limit, i kid you not everybody in that last car would have been very seriously injured if not killed, thankfully u just experienced a minor bump, he may have been traveling over 5 mph which is standard coupling speed, perhaps ice or the weather, this was at Nordon correct?
NJTCOMET 5 months ago 3
@NJTCOMET It was an unexpected JOLT... on top of the mountain, next to the cliff and yes it could have been a LOT worse. We are all lucky that all we experienced was a LONG delay while they unhooked the trains from each other.
deviantLena 5 months ago
@NJTCOMET don't know where you get your standard coupling speed from nutcomet but the proper coupling speed for for freight equipment is one that does not damage lading or equipment - for passenger equipment coupling speed is one that does not disturb the passengers...obviously that was not the case in this incident.
tprdfh51 2 months ago
@NJTCOMET If you make many joints at 5 mph, you're going to be out of a job pretty darn quick.
jasfromoz 1 month ago
Oh my god, this whole thing was just HILARIOUS, that lady, "oh he was sleeping and he hit his head". Lady are you kidding me, REALLY? All this was just a helper move to help Amtrak out of the snow or to help Amtrak up the grade, this was no accident, WOW, and that 1 guy with the radio "oh this subject has not come up yet" BECAUSE IT WAS A HELPER MOVE, the signal system was working fine, the dispatcher indeed clear him to proceed at a restricted speed until he coupled.
NJTCOMET 5 months ago 10
@NJTCOMET Conductor: "I'm sure everybody felt alittle bump there, we were just COUPLED ONTO by the freight engine behind us". People this was all routine! And didn't you notice that you continued on with the Union Pacific engines coupled on behind you? Yea we just had a collision between a Union Pacific freight train and an Amtrak train train....we are gonna keep goin.. SURE "And the next question is why wasn't the signal system protecting him" It was, he was given clearance to couple to you...
NJTCOMET 5 months ago
@NJTCOMET Again, NOT A HELPER! It was an UNEXPECTED CRASH into the back of the train. He was using the word "coupled" because we became connected when they hit us. People were fired over this, it wasnt planned.
deviantLena 5 months ago
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At 4:13 the whining complaining Cow has a second chin! LOL!!!
hobbeekid 5 months ago
You guys were NOT rear ended... They sent a light engine movement of two Union Pacific engines, the Amtrak was stuck in snow, so they got some engines to help push you guys out.
bnsf4 6 months ago 16
@bnsf4 Thanks for that imaginary story. We were there and know exactly what happened. Thanks =)
deviantLena 6 months ago
@deviantLena You guys are dumb. Ride a frickin' air plane next time......less likely for a set of light engines to tie onto you to push you out, when you're up in the the air.
trainman2816 4 months ago
@bnsf4 Hopefully the foamer idiots, rushed right home, called their attornies to prepare the mother of all lawsuits---and after their investigation, the attornies LTAO and sent the foamers a bill for $5,000 for all the nothingness..
FireCaptE9 5 months ago
@bnsf4 we Were rear-ended. no helpers were sent. I think I should now being the engineer on number 5. but reading all these comments makes me laugh.
1newhawg 2 months ago
u cant spell stupid with out UP
nickelback303 6 months ago
Someone should shake the UP engineers hand. I hope he got a Medal for this!
starguard 6 months ago 3
you should have waved too them lol
saintangerinc 6 months ago
Somebody's got a crush!
Applachia0928 6 months ago
All I can say is, WAK, WAK WAK. Really, I would think UP is better than this.
panamcunard 6 months ago
All I can say is, WAK, WAK WAK.
panamcunard 6 months ago
Nothing funnier then the commentary made by someone with no knowledge of the current situation
Arniek95 6 months ago 4
Little Dobie the faggot loves to post comments like this because he has failed at social skills, that would leave him more of the man he claims to be. You should hear this Dobie crybaby whine and wimper when he can't find something to bitch about and berate. What would you be doing in this situation ? Uh Dobie Faggot? If you ever get into a situation like this, douche bag, I hope someone posts it to Youtube so everybody can ream your ass for being such a pussy.
Starfield1959 7 months ago
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Starfield1959 7 months ago
locomotive love tap
Webber362 7 months ago
the first ever mixed consist DPU :P
MrZkr123 7 months ago
icy steel rails...slick as grease snot...he might have locked every thing up, and been dumping sand and still slide down the hill
horseguy1 7 months ago
i was on this train to! @bsquiklehausen is my brother(:
soccerfizz 8 months ago
@soccerfizz Well isn't it becoming a reunion in here, lol
deviantLena 8 months ago
I was on this train, and this was quite the experience. I was also in the rear sleeper car, in the family bedroom, right behind the trailing bogie. This (and the delay at Roseville, CA afterwards) was a really interesting twist to the trip.
bsquiklehausen 8 months ago 9
@bsquiklehausen My original destination was Sacramento but I made arrangements to be picked up in Colfax. I just couldn't bare to stay on the train any longer.
deviantLena 8 months ago
@bsquiklehausen So what was the hold up in Roseville?
deviantLena 8 months ago
@deviantLena Because of the delay from UP's "kiss", the engine crew's time in the cab expired, and a new crew had to be driven in from Emeryville. We had to wait another hour and a half or so, and we eventually arrived in Emeryville about 7 hours late.
bsquiklehausen 8 months ago
@bsquiklehausen OH! Well at least the crew was taken care of!!! What about the passengers? Such bullshit. They could have very well made that 10 minute ride into Sacramento to relieve their guests!! =(
deviantLena 8 months ago
@deviantLena if the crews hrs expired, they cant work anymore. Its the law. Not even just a 10 minute ride.
gp40mc 6 months ago
@gp40mc That's sucky. They should definitely put their passengers ahead of the staff. I pay the cost of a cruise to the carribean for my train ticket across country. It would be nice to be treated with respect. It's all about customer relations.
deviantLena 6 months ago
@deviantLena yes amtrak has some ridiculous prices, its too bad they cant make it more affordable because i think more people would consider taking the train across the country if it was cheaper. You can see way more scenery by taking the train than by flying, but flying is a fraction of the price when you add sleepers on!!
gp40mc 6 months ago
All hours of service regulations allow for the operator (airline pilot, train crew, truck driver, etc) to proceed to the closest point of safe harbor with their goods. And sitting on a mainline rail in the Sierras in a snow storm is not safe harbor. As several have explained the UP engines are "helpers" to assist the Zephyr our of the mess it was in. And most likely to get the Amtrak crew to their hotel since they were out of hours since they needed their "nappy time".
basketmaker1 4 months ago
This was my train the day before. Dayum. Good thing old man winter knows everything about railroading. ever.
furryfurball1221 8 months ago
The Amtrak train was obviously told to hold at a designated mile marker by the dispatcher while snow was bieng cleared ahead. The frieght likely had a pemissable signal displaying a restricting indication or told by the dispatcher to proceed at restricting so the train would not stall due to the weather if on an uphill grade. The freight crew was probably trying to keep at a speed to not loose momentum (max 15mph) but should have known the location of the Amtrak train from the dispatcher.
inteldell01 8 months ago
@inteldell01 but couldn't he have seen the train far enough for him not to hit, the corner wasn't that sharp.
MrZkr123 7 months ago
@MrZkr123 You have to take into account that trains don't stop quickly. There are several factors such as reaction time (the time the operator sees the train and applys the brakes), brake lag (the time it takes for the brakes to apply throughout the train), train wieght and momentum, and less friction between wheel and rail from snow or ice.
inteldell01 6 months ago
@inteldell01 Dude don't use such large terms as "Brake Lag" and Momentum.... the douche who posted this is too much of a dick head too understand Railroad terminology.......
MilwaukeeSDman 6 months ago
@MilwaukeeSDman That's why I put a brief explaination in brackets.lol. And what people don't understand I'm sure an online dictionary would help.
inteldell01 5 months ago
@inteldell01 XD
MilwaukeeSDman 5 months ago
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@MrZkr123 You have to take into account that trains don't stop quickly. There are several factors such as reaction time (the time the operator sees the train and applys the brakes), brake lag (the time it takes for the brakes to apply throughout the train), train wieght and momentum, and less friction between wheel and rail from snow or ice.
inteldell01 6 months ago
@inteldell01 no bud...a diesal locomotive develops it's maximum tractive effort at low speed - it's an old wives tale from the steam era that somehow a diesal electric locomotive must have speed to make the grade...sand is far more important. And the crew of the freight train must proceed on a restricting signal indication at a speed that will allow them to stop within halfthe rangeision - even if it means crawling along a 1 - 2 mph.
tprdfh51 2 months ago
It definitely wasn't a helper.
deviantLena 9 months ago
If the train was really "snowbound", then this is probably a helper. The helper may have made a rough hitch. When the brake shoes are caked with snow, the brakes sometimes don't grab too well.
DHEngineerSpike1700 9 months ago
@DHEngineerSpike1700 I have never seen a helper with a full stack train attatched.
bsquiklehausen 8 months ago
That guy talking in the background is the real retard!
ew0124 9 months ago
Someone wasn't going restricted speed. Luckily no one got hurt.
itsjustmattie 10 months ago
I'M SURPRISED THAT IT WASN'T A BNSF FREIGHT TRAIN
airplanebuilderman 10 months ago
That doesn't even make sense.
deviantLena 10 months ago
It woulda been funny if you WERE on in the rear car of the train and you were at the door and the freight hit and you fell out the door and got hit! It shoulda happened because the world would have 1 less dick head!!!
MilwaukeeSDman 10 months ago
The maker of this film obviously is not a railfan like one knowledgable viewer may think by the "termage" and/or "knowledge" used in the filming. A real railfan would have not put this on youtube. A real railfan wouldnt be bashing the crew of a class 1 freight RR, mistake or not. The engineer is not a retard, he is an operator. The conductor is the retard.
unkonshus 11 months ago
@unkonshus Nope! Im not a railfan in the slightest, you are so on point. I only travel by train because I have a fear of flying so go suck it.
deviantLena 10 months ago
@unkonshus they are jointly responsible I'm a UP Conductor from the Roseville Service Unit, the conductor or any crew member can stop the train if the engineer fails to comply with the rules, plus I think moving a train at restricted speed and coupling it to the rear of an Amtrak train is not an option... Both were pulled out of service
helloween1987 8 months ago
@unkonshus You are obviously a foamer and are naive. Yes, the engineer is a tard, and I can say this because I work for UP
rippdogg156 8 months ago
@unkonshus Conductor and engineer are jointly responsible for the safety and protection of their train. They are equally responsible and thus equally retarded
benbattles 8 months ago
@benbattles I dont like they way that came out sounding now that i read it. Neither crew member is a retard but there was a lapse in judgement somewhere along the line for sure. Whether it was on the UP crew, DS74, or perhaps the AMTK crew's fault(and it is possible), I have no idea. I have only run light power thru snow on grades of 1% and only image coming down Donner w/ 8000 trailing tons at freezing temps in near white out conditions. All i know is that u can single out the condr of the frt
benbattles 8 months ago
@coborn35 FYI I work this territory on a regular basis, on real live trains believe it or not. I have personally been disciplined due to this engineer being a retard. Another good conductor was fired from this incident because yes, this engineer is a retard. And to the guy with the comment about stopping 5000 tons of train, 5000 tons ain't shit. You've seen Unstopable too many times... OMG it's 29 cars!
hawggernaut 11 months ago
@hawggernaut Yeah, that Z is always small its not like it was a 14,000 ton grainer. Besides that I can back you up on this subject as I have fired with this dude and and he was trying to get me to soft set em up at switch 9!
rippdogg156 8 months ago
@hawggernaut was the engineer on the freight train fired as well? If not...why not?
tprdfh51 2 months ago
aww a caboose.. im sure none of these trains had a "caboose"
TEMPLE7D 11 months ago
Was the block signals working.
christopher9030 1 year ago
@christopher9030 doesn't matter--if it wasn't working, then it's restricted speed after being reported in. Dark signals, play out as displayed as a red.
handcar 11 months ago
Should've been a gevo
lespaulguy32 1 year ago
What the hell "My sleeper car was the caboose" learn better English that is like saying my helicopter was my boat. The correct way to say what you are trying to say would be My car was on the rear of the train.
Ham549 1 year ago
@Ham549 Alright, so the last car on a freight train is called a caboose. This is how we referred to being the last car on the train. Before you go insulting someone's English, you should try taking some punctuation lessons online.
deviantLena 1 year ago
@deviantLena
No the rear of a train is not called the caboose! It is called.... well the end of the train or last car. Go to Wikipedia look up "Caboose" then look up "Superliner (railcar)" and tell me which one you were in.
Ham549 1 year ago
@Ham549
ca·boose (k-bs)
n.
1. The last car on a freight train, having kitchen and sleeping facilities for the train crew.
2. Obsolete
a. A ship's galley.
b. Any of various cast-iron cooking ranges used in such galleys during the early 19th century.
c. An outdoor oven or fireplace.
deviantLena 1 year ago
@Ham549 "My sleeper car was the caboose." is just a figure of speech. Don't bash other people just because they say something their own way. Sheesh.
trinityct 11 months ago
Rear ended? The guy on the intercom said coupled into, obviously they are a helper loco...jeez
jaredkelly930 1 year ago
@jaredkelly930 It was NOT a planned "coupling" lol
deviantLena 1 year ago
was that a DDA40X?
GordonFreemanD40 1 year ago
@GordonFreemanD40- No, that was an SD70M. *Stupid Engineer*
UPRR11 10 months ago
@GordonFreemanD40- No, that was an SD70M with a stupid engineer who didn't take a permissive signal with caution.
UPRR11 10 months ago
I'm a licensed engineer and know the GCOR. I just wouldn't have flagged a block in snow conditions, even after Amtrak stated on the radio they were stopped (I know the engineer personally on Amtrak). I've stopped between signals after someone said they were stopped--then they would announce they are on the move. Tough situation and I know how it's blinding in the snow.
handcar 1 year ago
If the engineer did his job traveling a speed that was able to stop 1/2 the distance of travel (GCOR 6.27), then that would have NOT HAPPENED! When Amtrak engineer said on the radio "we're stopped here" as they heard the UPRR Z-train calling out signals and passing the red number plated signal, they should have stopped. Amtrak engineer have done in the past as well as any other railroad "we're on the move, come on down!" was the safe way and has always been done that way.
Don't blame the VDO
handcar 1 year ago
@handcar we don't have to stop at a number plated signal. It's called Restricted Proceed. But granted the Z engineer should have flagged up a lot slower then he did.
nvsteve 1 year ago
Did the fright train run the red block signal.
christopher9030 1 year ago
the idiot recording this, could have spared us his foamer/armchair ntsb inspector bullshit. just another idiot foamer, without a clue, running his mouth like he has a clue. then fat assed bitch complains from her room, that the bump caused her 13 pies and 9 cakes to shift slightly on the bed, causing her fat assed kid to bump his head as he lunged for the moving treats. i wish i could find the loudmouthed narrator, i'd love to punch him in the face. idiot foamer railfag fan.
DOBIES4ME69 1 year ago 9
@DOBIES4ME69 Well, everyone certainly has the right to run their mouth, including you.
deviantLena 1 year ago 4
@deviantLena
stupid cunt.
DOBIES4ME69 1 year ago
@DOBIES4ME69 Lovely, you sound very professional.. you must work on a train.
deviantLena 1 year ago
@DOBIES4ME69 Wow, this is the best anti-foamer rant I've ever read. "armchair NTSB inspector" = pure gold.
wirerail 1 year ago
Betcha there wasn't any need for exlax in Omaha when this little ditty came over the speakers in the dispatch office.
Hoghead will get a UPgrade alright at Level 5++ fer shure.
Restriced speed, short version: you have to be able to stop the equipment you are on within half the sight distance of your vison. And, if you can't see aroud a curve, send out the conductor. That's what they're for.
RRGary 1 year ago
Also, the crew probably will serve some time off with their train shown on You Tube being too cozy with the Zephyr.
bnsfeng 1 year ago
Being an engineer and running in snow with 5000 tons and going restricted speed in the snow you better be going very slow because snow and ice will build up on the brake shoes and when you apply the brakes you are smashing down on snow instead of the brake material and until that is all gone you are not getting the stopping power you would expect on a non snowy day. That really adds to the stopping distance required from normal.
bnsfeng 1 year ago
hahahaha
ninendowii2000 1 year ago
The freight train was most likely "cleared" by the dispatcher. The signal system then displays a stop signal at "home" signals and a Restricting at intermediate signals. It appears that this area is between home signals. Therefore the Freight was probably running on a restricting, meaning at Restricted Speed. Restricted speed-Proceed prepared to stop in half the range of vision, at a speed not to exceed 15. So most likely the freight was obeying that rule yet due to the snow was unable to stop
ns9805 1 year ago
@ns9805 the snow makes the SD70M's wheels become a bit slippery to stop so the freight bumps the last car, luckily, not hitting the last car.
CSXSD70ACe4842 1 year ago
@ns9805 Your explanation sounds like the most logical situation. CTC. Those "home" signals are Absolute Signals or Control Points by GCOR. 6.27 Restricted Speed: When required to move at Restricted Speed, movement must be made at a speed that allows for stopping within half the range of vision short of TERMS D. When trains and engines that are required to move at RS, crews must keep a lookout for broken rail and not exceed 20mph.
Does NS amend any of these rules?
est86leo 11 months ago
@ns9805 its 20MPH
helloween1987 8 months ago
Who is the moron who thinks he is an NTSB investigator? Signal system? Ever here of restricting ?
Eng8492 1 year ago
WHOOPS!!!
Looks like this crew will be looking for work elsewhere.
kybuddy 1 year ago
Looks like a restricted speed violation. That is level 4c or 5.
hoghead44 1 year ago
Oh wow, that's Union Pacific for you. How fast would you say the UP was going when it hit the Amtrak?
Locomotive450 1 year ago
@Locomotive450 Not very fast; I can't really judge it. It felt like a JOLT that no one was prepared for. I was standing by the coffee machine talking to an older gentleman when it happened. I had to grab onto his arm to stop us both from falling.
deviantLena 1 year ago
@Locomotive450 Only going slow for the stalled POS Amtrak...
wirerail 1 year ago
Interesting those that know very little about railroading make up the dumbest comments and treat there assumptions as being fact. "oh it's gotta be that way." Oh well. At least nobody was hurt.
spcascades 1 year ago