Why did Jesus have to die for our sins? Part 1 of 2

[MrCraniumExplosion]

Why is the wages of sin death??

if I look at a woman with lust why should I be murdered by god?

that is not infinite justice that is just punishment multiplied by infinity!

If the wages of sin is death then god is not just

If the wages of sin is not death then god might be just however the bible would not be true.

[RandyRapozo]

If God is so Powerfull, then why there is Hell?

[MuslimPerspective786]

and your bible is false

[MuslimPerspective786]

Jesus is not God and he did not die for anybody's ins

[rsalmon63]

Those teeth are an abomination!!!!

[JimmyGunXD556]

No God...Know peace.

[porvort]

do we get barbecued for eternity? where does it say this in the bible?

[LampPlaceThing]

@porvort It does...Revelation 20:15 "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

However I am not sure about fire for "all eternity" I am not quite sure what the torture routine is... I mean if you go to hell for simply being a everyday atheist, how bad could the punishment be? I am sure the punishment will be exacted justly.

[LampPlaceThing]

@porvort I am not sure about judgement of atheists/Buddhists /murderers/thieves etc etc, for I can't see their whole life span and the choices presented to them.

Truth be told I know a whole hell of a lot of Christians who think judgement comes BEFORE death, not after it. The issue with that logic is that if you had "died in your sin," at the age of 5 or 1 for that matter, it would be highly unfair to condemn.

A lot of Christians would tell you you'll BURN IN HELL... yes I know... W...t..f

[buzzclick500]

So, when a judge shows leniency to a convicted felon, that judge is offending God AND the society which trusted him with a certain task; the judge is not carrying out his assigned duties, for whatever reason.

[buzzclick500]

We live in a net of earthly sins. Whew.

[thelighthousekeeper]

No sin is allowed in heaven, but, sin is allowed in hell. the soul is immortal and it must go somewere . God want's your soul to go to heaven, if you sin, repent truly to the Lord.Cheers.

[baskuk]

What a load of .....! God is powerful and love yet he has to punish somebody in order to forgive! Can't God that is so powerful and merciful forgive people without having to kill somebody ? if you kill somebody than there is no forgivnes , in order to forgive you i have to punish myself hahahahah, AND THERE IS PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THIS NONSENSE ! If Jesus died for our sins than Hitler is in paradise now ! what makes me sick is that there is lunatics out there that believe this BSH

[doyce1000]

@baskuk i dont think thats what he means, he was saying that god would look like he approved of those things if he didnt punish them, and the only punishment god gives us is separation, satan does the rest

[baskuk]

@doyce1000 God makes his rules and nobody tells him what to do , sins are gonna be punished on the day of judgement, sins get punished based on how big or small the sin is ! you dont get death sentence for going with red light in the trafic , do you? thats illogical and stupid ! God had to kill himself so he could forgive people , can it sound more nonsense than this ? if i want to forgive you i just forgive you and dont have to beat my self to forgive you !

[doyce1000]

@baskuk well i dont know what you think about god, but god has a way he likes to do things, hes very meaningful, so in my heart i know why jesus had to die, the sins of the people at that point on were too great, thats why he was called the messiah, or savior, because if jesus didnt die, the sins of the people would be too much, and yes he makes the law, for he sent a powerful message with jesus, he gave up his son for us, to prove he loves us, and he proved it, that was his son, think about it

[baskuk]

@doyce1000 you are telling me God is merciful yet he punishes every sin to death ! wow , merciful means to forgive sins , He is God and has nobody over head telling him what to do , he can forgive or punish whoever he likes , if you are sincere enough he can forgive you and he doesnt need to kill somebody to forgive you, why would he do that ? thats just the interpretation of people , Jesus didnt come to die but to bring a message to people on how to behave in order to go to paradise!

[doyce1000]

@baskuk and god doesnt send people to hell over little things, example, your spot light story, just like the law doesnt sentance you to death, well god doesnt send people to hell for lying or anything, i think you are putting the standard a little to high, god is merciful, he swears he will be and promises he is. and one last thing, when we do something wrong, it seems alot worse to god then it does us because he is perfect, he never does anything wrong

[theguymakeinfunofyou]

jesus didnt die for our sins people god he died cuse sinners killed him he was murdered cuse of church bound people he use to have a spiritual connection with earth and his own spirit so they destroyed him for that if you call me a lier you know jack shit about life. i dont call you a lier im sayin we killed jesus cuse you guys dont care you just laughed at him not you as in you guys but the people who did that to him are the ones responisble for his deah life just kept going on even after.

[raoskaos]

This is one thing I don't get. If Jesus died for our sins and we were forgiven why are people(in the last 2000 years) born with sin???

[Capuano231]

@raoskaos Because, Satan still exists. The only way to escape Satan is to except Jesus Christ of Nazareth. (Christians still sin, you just aren't put to Hell) Back in the days of the new testament, the way to escape sin was through dead, sacrifice.

[raoskaos]

@Capuano23

So Satan is more powerfull than god??

[Capuano231]

@raoskaos When did i say that? Jesus and his angels are going to defeat Satan for good and there will be no more death, pain, suffering, crying, (for christians).

[raoskaos]

@Capuano231

So, either god doesn't want death, pain, suffering,... or Satan is more powerfull than god. Which of this two is correct?

[Capuano231]

@raoskaos The first one. Of course. /watch?v=hWPbv9D3Cjg

[raoskaos]

@Capuano231

Ups!!! hehehe.... I mispelled. I ment that he wants death, suffering, pain,...etc.

What's now your answer...

[Capuano231]

@raoskaos Did you watch that video I linked to you? I would write it all here summerizing the parts of the video but I can't. So... The answer is neither.

[April777Thompson]

We choose our own paths and make our own choices. God does not PUNISH anyone.. He loves his children and is THE PARENT. For any parent they understand the love for their child. Its hard to MAKE your child do what keeps them safe and happy. this man does NOT even READ from the BIBLE. He talks of GOD being angry with sinful people. God may not like what "sinful" thing you do, but he does love you. Its no diff. than a parent that wants the best for their child. Thats who God is our FATHER.

[doyce1000]

@raoskaos it appears like satans more powerful because more people follow him, but thats simply not true, thats like me saying im more powerful than Schwarzenegger because i have more friends,more people that think the same, i know thats a strange way of looking at it, but think about it and if it still dont make sense i dont know what to say, it makes sense to me

[Chase9803]

it's just you.

[Varsitydawg]

is the video choppy or is it just me?

[YDOAPS]

Jesus did not yet fulfill the Law. In fact, He told us exactly when He will fulfill it-the second coming. The Law is to be followed to the letter until He fulfills is WHEN HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS. Not following the Law means no entry into the Kingdom. Jesus was VERY explicit about this. Matthew 5:17-20, Matthew 7:17-20, Matthew 7:24-29, Matthew 16:24-28, Matthew 19:16-22, Matthew 21:18-19, Matthew 25:14-30, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 2:23, Revelation 18:6, Revelation 20:12,-13

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS Half of these verses you put up have absolutely nothing to do with salvation. But what has to be understood about the law, is that people who are NOT believers will be judged by it, and expected to keep it and those who are saved are under a new law of Grace through their faith in Jesus Christ. And we know this from John 14:6 among many other books...but an overarching theme of the new testament is the fact that we are saved through faith and not by works.

[YDOAPS]

Of course He approves of the sin. He made man such that they had a character such that they would sin. He is omniscient, so He knew prior to creation that this would be the case in this creation; He is omnipotent, so He was able to make man with a character such that they would not sin.

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS This is a complete misunderstanding of the word character. Character is not the type of thing that can be given or taken away character is a discription of the things you do over time. For example if you have the character trait of honesty you must choose not to lie over time...if God were to "give" you that trait it would not be a character trait rather it would just be a trait, because you could not choose to do otherwise. Therefore it is illogical to say that God could have

[Graffight]

@Graffight made us with good character, as character is something that is built out of the free will of the individual. Character without free will is like a married bachelor

[YDOAPS]

@Graffight you don't have a clue about Free Will. Free Will isn't some sort of magic that lets us escape the determinism necessitated by God's omniscience. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Free will depends upon some level of determinism. It doesn't make much sense to speak of someone making a choice when the choice is based on the roll of the dice.

[YDOAPS]

Let's just take some elementary thought about what free will is for a moment. Free will is the ability for 'you' to contemplate multiple options and choose one output. For any 'you' to be distinct from 'Bob' or 'Ashley' or 'him' or 'her', there must be some regularity; there must be a pattern in the choices(otherwise the phrase 'out of character' is rather meaningless, no?).

[YDOAPS]

In fact, that is exactly what we see in practice. If you spend enough time around someone you can pretty well predict their choices given a set of circumstances.

How do we make choices? A basic overview of psychology(and just common sense) reveals that our choices are quite unsurprisingly based upon factors including our beliefs, values, and past experiences. These can be seen as some of the inputs into the decision generating algorithm we call Free Will.

[YDOAPS]

So, we can see that Free will:

1)produces a predictable pattern of results

2)requires known inputs

3)functions in a classical rather than quantum computation device

That sounds pretty deterministic to me.

If you're interested in Free Will and whether it conflicts with determinism, I suggest reading 'Freedom Evolves' by Daniel Dennett.

[YDOAPS]

We were created by an omniscient God. Thus, He knew(prior to creating us) that we would use our free will in such a way as to disobey Him. Being omnipotent, God could very well have decided to create us in such a way that we would NOT use their free will to disobey him.

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS That's still illogical. The only way to make it so people will not disobey is to remove that option from them. and if i do not have the option to disobey, then my obediance does not come from my free will it comes from forced servitude. God does not seem to have been looking for forced slavery rather our free will choice to follow him.

[YDOAPS]

@Graffight See, you've not got a clue about free will. Read a book sometime.

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS wow...well not that you've proven your point i guess the conversation is over...instead of directing me to books why not state YOUR opinion and defend it. Otherwise why say anything?

[6qrents]

@Graffight 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS This actually explains nothing. Just because someone will use a set of reasons in order to make their choices, does not mean that they make that choice necessaraly. It is not determined, we can imagin that the person would have done something different. If i have the obtion to cross the street and to not cross the street, i might cross the street because of some set of reasons, but i was perfectly able to not cross the street. it was not random, but it was also not determined...it was a

[YDOAPS]

@Graffight given the exact same circumstances, the same result will be obtained. That is a fact. Free Will isn't magic; it doesn't buck the laws of physics.

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS choice

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS i'll go with you up to this point...though the decesion genrating algorigm is not free will. free will is still the ability to choose between available options, there is no mathmatical equasion for this. there is option A and option B and if both are logically viable options you have the free will to choose between both of them.

[YDOAPS]

@Graffight lol, way to directly contradict yourself in the same comment

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS show me the contradiction

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS well yes...you define free will similar to the way i do. Free will is the ability to choose between available options...that's it. I'm with you so far.

[Graffight]

@YDOAPS It's amazing how you have grasped my understanding about free will...let's see if you are in fact correct.

[OppressorsBeware]

Prove Jesus existed

[boan000]

Excellent presentation of the Gospel! Thank you. :)