You Vols fans need to get over it Eric Berry was NOTHING like Charles Woodson... You dont compare a Safety who gets to play up on the line and make tackles and rush the QB at times and gets to roam the secondary and make plays ( of course he will have more tackles, TFL ,Sacks, possibly INTs) to a SHUTDOWN Corner wo ELIMINATES half the field and rarely if ever gets thrown at .. Woodson was THE MAN he did it all and thats why he won the HEISMAN and Berry and Manning didnt..Get over it
@KALINIG323 If you had watched Eric Berry play, you would know he is outstanding in man coverage with outstanding corner skills. Sounds like a Woodson homer.
@MichiganFan39 you need to stay on the message boards and leave the football talk to the big boys. You know as much about football talent as you do quantum physics: nothing.
@RondoGuitarDude charles woodson has a heisman trophy, national title, and super bowl ring, he lead all of those, he might not have lead the super bowl game, but he lead the pack to the game, he's a leader, and thats talent, i judge talent, and eric berry vs charles woodson does not compare.
@MichiganFan39 You are making yourself appear more ignorant with every comment. First, Super Bowls and National Championships are team accomplishments. You can not credit a single player with those. Also, Berry has only been in the NFL 1 year. Woodson has been there for 13. To compare 13 years to 1 makes me think you are mildly retarded. Last, while the Heisman is an individual award it is made possible by being on a GOOD TEAM. 4th, Peyton was robbed but that is another story entirely.
@RondoGuitarDude i said charles woodson LEAD those teams to those accomplishments, i might not have said that the same way but i clearly meant it, peyton was not robbed, peyton was only on offense, and only had offensive stats coming to the heisman, while charles woodson was a triple threat, Special teams, Defense, and Offense, had stats all over the chart.
@MichiganFan39 I don't know where to begin. You want to talk stats? Let's talk stats. Woodson only touched the ball on offense a few times all year. He didn't accumulate one tenth of Peyton's stats. Furthermore, the player that won the Heisman in 1996 was Danny Wuerffel from Florida. Peyton's stats were very comparable to Wuerffel's and even better in some areas. But the media did not want 2 SEC QBs to win 2 years in a row, so hundreds of people left Peyton completely off of their ballots.
@MichiganFan39 Peyton actually had more 1st place votes than Woodson, but because so many people left him off of their ballots as a result of bias, he did not win. You want to try to argue that Peyton wasn't a Top 5 player that year? That's a complete joke of dirty politics and I feel it's completely ok to call that robbery. A player with 4 TDs all year wins the Heisman over one of the best college QBs of all time with 37 TD passes. Whatever. Eric Berry is better. Woodson is old anyway.
@RondoGuitarDude all i said was why peyton did NOT win, and all of a sudden your saying i said something i didn't, your a dumbass, of course manning was top 5, i never said he wasn't, but your being a dumbass and saying i did
@MichiganFan39 (facepalm)... I never accused you of saying Manning wasn't top 5. Just proving that he was indeed robbed by people in the media with an agenda.
slash lovin lane kiffin tonight bra. aahhhhh my man just stickin it to the vols, should smooth things out for you guys. have fun getting spanked by bama and florida next year forreal. Can't even beat my boys from the ACC Va Tech.
eric berry went to the sec title as a freshmen, he was a junior this past year. charles woodson had those stats on a national title team, where he was probably the most important player on the team.
why does it matter when he played in it? you're an idiot. I just proved you don't know anything about EB. plus he had 1 INT and 1 fumble recovery in that SEC title game as a true freshmen. stop giving Woodson credit for being on a better team because unless he recruited every other player from that team, he didn't really have anything to do with that.
but Charles Woodson was easily the best player in '97, even better than Peyton. Eric, while having better stats, faces probably more passes than CW did, and EB isn't the best player this year or any year he's been in. Sorry for bursting that bubble, and EB wasn't even the best defensive player last year
To balance that, many people thought Peyton was easily the best player that year. Many people also thought Berry was the best player this and last year.
You're entitled to your opinion, but opinions never prove anything. Facts do.
Peyton was great but CW made so many clutch and amazing plays that year, the 1 handed INT, the pick in the endzone against OSU/WSU, the punt return TD. CW was a 2 way player, and made good plays on both sides of the ball.
@maizeandblueheart ....charles woodson wasn't a better player then peyton or eric berry. his team was better, that would be his only advantage, and the main reason he won the heismen.
@maizeandblueheart well im sorry to say that you are wrong eric berry was the best at his postion 2 of his 3years in college and the only reason jenkins won the award was because of a hyped up media machine .............
and by the way maize how is that u of m football team doing these days lol sucky as ever by the looks of it.
two transition years, frome run, run, pass, punt to the spread. No spread type players (except for antionio bass who killed his knee). And last year, we were a few plays away from 7 wins. and berry was very good, ill admit that (or he wouldnt be a top 5 draft pick), and also, where is malcom? Berry should do well in the NFL, not better than woodson, but on the same level.
@maizeandblueheart Malcolm Jenkins I believe is a backup nickelback for the Saints, while I predict Eric Berry will instantly be the biggest playmaker on the Chiefs defense. He is my preseason favorite to win Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. If he doesn't win it, he will at least close. And write this down now: Within 3 years he will be the best safety in the NFL. The BEST. write it down.
@RondoGuitarDude better than Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed, or Adrian Wilson, or Bob Sanders? i dnt think so bruh, he will be ONE of the best but not THE best unless all of those player retire at the same time.
@maizeandblueheart well i find it hard even though im a vol fan and live near the campus that manning gets the hype here when t.martin and the guys on the nc squad in 98 did what manning could not, but i do beloieve in my book berry will be better than woodson on the pro level if he is able to to get away from KC.
get off his damn nuts. he will be an nfl superstar but not heisman worthy with his wack team, get off your high horse. slash tennessee is a trashy school both football and bball programs are shady. good luck getting by bama and florida in the future bra.
dude you're absolutely retarded. Eric Berry has played in the SEC championship game, or does that not count as a big game? so why don't you fuck off you trolling piece of shit.
Sometimes it helps if your team is half decent. VA tech waxed your ass and there offense is not even that good. slash woodson made game changing plays for the best team in the nation without him they would not have won a title. he made his biggest plays in the biggest games genius. eric berry has not even played in a big game clown. tennessee woulda sucked with or without berry.
im sick of the whole quarterbacks winning the hesiman. i was glad ingram won and i woulda voted for gerhart but if suh wasnt in the same class as berry he coulda had a shot. he deffinitley deserved the thorpe over haden
the reason why woodson won the heisman was because his team WON THE NATIONAL TITLE!!! clearly Tennessee hasn't recently...yes his stats are better, but look at the records of the past heisman winners....all are close to the top of the football ranks.
no. charles woodson was a dirty punt/kick returner and though he didn't have a ton of receiving td's, he did garner a ton of yardage. not only was he one of the best corners ever to play college football, but he also played well on both sides of the ball, leading him to edge out peyton manning for that year's heisman.
stats aren't everything for db's Asamoah on the raiders probably doesn't even have that good of stats because nobody ever throws the ball his way cause they know their receiver won't be open. so even though eirc berry is real nasty, stats don't tell the whole story for db's. and u forgot charles woodson went both ways, which is unheard of in college football, let alonea national championship team.
Eric Berry is an amazing player. I do think he will win the Thorpe Award at some point, but I do not think he will ever be seriously considered for the Heisman. Not only is it mostly and offensive award, but if Tennessee starts winning then it will be their offense that starts showing up, their defense did not have problems in big games this year.
Personally I think Mark Barron of Alabama is the Defensive back to watch however, he led the SEC in INT this year.
@RondoGuitarDude, Malc is a CB, Eric is a safety. big difference, the best CB in the NFL, arguably, Nnamdi Asomugha, doesn't put up great numbers. yet, he's the best CB arguably. a good safety puts up better numbers than a good CB. so the stat comparison isn't valid. not hating or anything, just my opinion, of course.
Ingram is good but nobody deserved the Heisman more than Ndamukong Suh... They stole it from him but it doesn't matter cuz my BUCS will get him at #1 in the draft!!!!
finally, it took a while but we finally got another ed reed. i hope he does well in the nfl. but me personally, i dont think anyone can out do mr ed reed himself
No. I'm dead serious. But you are an Ohio State fan i'm pretty sure. You know nothing about the SEC or Hardesty. I do have points to support that but that's an argument for another day.
I live in Florida, my dad is a Florida fan, my mom is an Auburn fan. Both are SERIOUS college football fans. Trust me, I know a LOT about SEC football.
Hardesty is a good RB, but Ingram is on another level. The stats speak for themselves, and he's only a sophomore.
There is no conversation, Ingram is far and away the best RB in the SEC and the 2nd best RB in the country. There is no discussion, there is no argument. Are seriously that much of a homer?
Ingram rushed for 1,400 yards in the regular season behind a very talented, deep, healthy, experienced offensive line in a familiar offensive scheme. Hardesty rushed for 1,300 behind a thin, vastly inexperienced, banged up offensive line with 2 walk ons starting in a first year system. We don't have near the talent Alabama does up front and Hardesty only had 100 yards less. You could make a case. In fact, I just did.
You are now banned from this video. I'm sick of you hating on my vids.
TN has 4 seniors and 3 guys over 320. charlse scott is down as 345. alabama doesnt have a guy over 305 and they start a junior and two sophomores. mark ingram is that good man. why do you think more than half of his yards are after contact.? hardesty is amazing man im not taking anything away from him, he is arguably the #2 RB in sec . i cant wait to watch bryce brown and trent richardson! going to be fun to watch. by the way eric berry is the man! i hope he goes to the saints! who dat!
2 of those seniors are walk ons and we have a redshirt freshmen who converted from TE to T. Chris Scott, Vlad Richard, and Jacque McClendon are solid, but like I said we are very thin and those 2 walk ons are very undersized. Ingram has a good Oline. Bama has been recruiting well the last few years with Saban so they have top talent, regardless of who they needed to replace. When you recruit top talent every year you don't experience the huge drop off of losing a guy like Smith.
how many touchdowns did Mark Ingram get against Tennessee this year? or Mcclain? or any other Tide Fuck far as that goes.....they just got lucky and beat us by 2 points due to a field goal block by Terrance Cody......if any bama player deserves it its him because he was the only Tide fuck playing football while Ingram and everybody else on that silly team was just acting stupid!!!!!!.....go Vols!!!!!!!
exactly voltronshakespeare well said whoever wins the Heisman leads there team to victories. great athlete yes but not the best in the league by any means and considered for it?? no just because he hasn't led his team to victories like all the other candidates have for as long as i can remember but defiantly in the top 5 sec defensive secondary players probably the best defensive back
Controversy simply means a discussion marked by opposing views. Obviously, there were lots of people that disagreed with Woodson winning the Heisman, UT fans and otherwise.
Berry pic-sixed that faggot Tim Tebow 95 yards to the house- he's the best athlete in college football right now and should have won the thorpe without any doubt!
First of all, you don't compare a current Heisman candidate to past candidates or winners. You compare him to other current candidates. Secondly, a Heisman winner is just that. A winner. A player that makes sure his team wins games. Eric Berry is a great player, but he simply doesn't qualify.
Colt McCoy pretty much has it on lock after Auburn completely shut down Mark Ingram yesterday afternoon. He'd have to have a 200+ yard game against Florida to even re-enter the discussion.
Good point Voltron, but it's hard to compare a safety like Berry to a QB or a RB. That's why I threw Woodson out there. People are giving me hell for that comparison, but it's probably the best one you could make. I know that Berry will not win the Heisman. As much as I'd love to think that the voters don't leave players out because of their team or their position, I can't admit that because it's not true. But I still think he's the best player in college football, Heisman or not.
As a corner and a shutdown corner at that there are little opportunities for tackles. Balls rarely get thrown to a shutdown corners way therefore limiting the opportunities for int's. A safety has more freedom to make plays and get better stats.
marcrib79, your a total douchebag eric berry plays in the sec if you didnt know which means he has to be big to do anything everyone in the sec is big on both sides of the ball the difference between the big 12 and the sec is the sec actually plays real football by playing defense and running real offenses except florida but they have a good spread; no you can sit here and deny it but if you look at the stats, you will have a clear view of us top conference. great vid rondoguitardude
jenkins n berry play 2 different possions. jenkins is a corner. berry safey. safteys dotn get blocked by wr on sweeps so that alters the tackle stats. so cant compair that. n safteys can have a lil more freedom back there in zone and get to more parts of the feild easier than a corner can were there isolated on that half of the feild. so its difficult to compair stats here. theyre both dirty tho not gonna lie
LOL Berry plays safety and Woodson plays corner. Its harder to get INT's and big time return yards at CB. As for Woodson he did it all. He played against the team's best WR, returned kicks, played WR and oh yeah lead his team to a National Championship. Big difference. I like Berry a lot but your comparison to Woodson is a bad one.
ok I think that Eric Berry is a great player but he's no CW...
First off, Woodson played corner and Berry plays saftey. Which means Woodson has less of a chance of returning a pick because he usually got his picks in man-to-man coverage which means that he has a better chance of being tackled after the int is made.
Woodson also was on the field almost the whole game in almost every game which means he had to go into man-to-man coverage right after playing offense and spec. teams...
if you had read the previous comments on this video, you would realize that this point has been made about 50 times before you.
Everyone making your point has assumed that I don't know the difference between safeties and corners because I compared the two. If comparing them makes you ignorant, then the entire Thorpe award commitee is just that.
EB is on the field quite a bit as well. He plays every defensive snap and also covers kicks. He does just as much for his team.
ok well put it like this corners usually get the nod over safties...
Miami FS Sean Taylor in 2003 was no doubt the best defensive back in the nation recording 77 tackles (57 solo) and 10 interceptions. He lost the Award to CB Derrick Strait of OU who had 80 tackles but only 3 picks...
"ok well put it like this corners usually get the nod over safties..."
I'm not disagreeing with that as a fact, it's proven that's how it works. I'm disagreeing with that as the proper method for judging who is the most deserving of the award.
Because most corners can play safety and be good... but not alot of safeties can play corner.
look at Antrel Rolle from the Cardinals... All American in college at CB but in the league he was average now they moved him to safety and he's some sort of all pro... safety is easier to play... that's why the Thorpe committie looks at it that way... well maybe
What are you even replying to? I didn't ask you a question. And I don't know why people arguing your point assume that I don't know the things you just said in your 2 comments.
You are applying a general concept to a circumstance where it doesn't apply. Eric Berry isn't just a safety. he has played every DB position and had great success in all of them. you are assuming that Jenkins is more talented because of the position next to his name on the line-up.
Look idk and quite frankly don't care anymore it's quite obvious that u don't understand that they haven't seen anything he's done as quite that special
I'm sure they did or he would not have been a finalist... OBVIOUSLY. You've been trying to tell me why they gave it to Malcolm (which I already know).
U can't name one thing he does better than Woodson did in college besides maybe hit... he doesn't jump, catch, cover, or lead his team better... but Berry is a great player don't get me wrong. But better than Charles Woodson... HA!
I suppose u actually believe he's better than Sean Taylor or Ed Reed too... lol
he is 5 yards away from being the most prolific INT returner in the history of college football for one. watch his INT @ UCLA last year he lept a mile high for it. He catches tons of passes, more than some receivers. He's just on defense when he does it. He's doing a lot more man coverage this year which is why he doesn't have as many picks, he shuts down whoever he covers (where have I heard THAT before?). And he has carried the team on his back for 2 years now. I just told you so you're wrong.
He carried his team on his back to a losing season? well they need a new back to jump on... He's still not better than Woodson seeing as CW got most of his picks from man coverage...
Then on top of that u just contradicted urself...
U say berry doesn't have as many picks cuz he's in man coverage yet u whine bout him losing the thorpe to CB who doesn't get alot of picks because CB's are mostly in MAN-COVERAGE.... duh
He was amazing. Without Berry leading our defense that 5-7 record becomes 2-10 or worse.
This means Berry plays man coverage every bit as good as Jenkins, but he also has the best open-field ability in the history of the game on defense. Berry plays man as good as Jenkins, and still has the playmaking factor that Jenkins doesn't. That's why I said that. We knew this last year because Berry played some man last year as well. THAT'S why he should've won the award.
alot of sports writers and experts think he may be the best college DB of the last 10 years. He's #2 on Mel Kiper's big board as a junior. why not compare the best to the best?
Dude, me and you are on the same page. Eric Berry is a hell of a lot better than all those guys, they are just dumb enough not to research the stats and see it in the recorded proof. Its proven in black in white, Eric Berry is better. Idc, call me a hater on all them, it's true. and you can't tell me all those guys hit harder than Eric Berry... I dare yall dumbasses to go up against him and see who gets knocked back a week... They're gay. Rondo, you the man!
how is it disrespecful? they're just players not Gods. he may very well be better than them (I never said he was by the way), but it's not wrong to compare.
Do u really KNOW how good those guys were in college? Seriously tho... The first 3 guys I named were bigger, faster, and stronger than Berry, they hit harder and they were feared in from college to the NFL. Berry aint sorry or nothin by NO means but if u really think he's BETTER than Taylor (RIP), Reed, or Polamalu were in college than u should look at some of those guys highlights from college...
no disrespect intended, but you are being kind of a moron right now. you are trying to argue an entirely different point that what this video is about or what I've been talking about all so that you will feel like you're right. like my last comment said (I don't know why I'm repeating myself because you obviously can't read), I never compared him to any of those guys, you did. and now you tell me I'm wrong for comparing them? if that's a problem then you should be arguing with yourself.
I hate to break it to you.. But Eric Berry is the top safety in college.. And IF he payed corner (which he did his sophomore year) he would be the best CORNER in college.. The reason he switched to safety was so he could be more of a play maker and freelance with his talent.. A corners job is much tougher.. well.. Unless a team runs cover 2 defense.. Then its the easiest position on the field..
a safety any day, because 1. his job his harder. 2. he's more athletic. and 3. more times than not, BETTER.
But again, Berry has the chance to become a great Safety. You on the other hand need to compare him to other safeties as well as translating his game & stats to that of a corner. Corners will win every time. They're asked to do, MUCH more. (Run defend, blitz, & most importantly mirror the fastest players on the field).
4. A corners job is bar none, harder than a safeties. You're asking a man to read, react & mirror someone who knows exactly where they're running & has just as much or more speed than the corner.. ALL WHILE GOING BACKWARDS for the first 5-10 yards. I'm not saying Eric Berry shouldn't be considered for the Heisman... he's had a great career up to this point, but your video is a crock from the get go. Eric Berry is NOT a corner. He's a safety. A corner will get the Thorpe award over
Yardage comparison was second. Third, Safeties will have more tackles that most corners because 1. they're last line of defense. 2. everything happens in front of them so they can break on plays knowing that the D-line is first line, corners AND linebackers are second...... 3. Safeties can blitz knowing they don't have man coverage most of the time. Also! They're the EXTRA man in the box to defend run plays.
I tried to give your video a chance but after your first two comparisons, I realized that you have no concept football. First, let me point out that you're comparing two COMEPLETELY different positions. Safeties will, more often than not, have more return yards because they're getting breaks on the ball. Corners are man-up, backed up & RIGHT next to someone 90% of the time, so their chance of return yards are harder.
listen to the guy that replied to you. You disagree with me comparing the two, but if they were both up for the same award, somebody had to have compared them before me. so I'm not wrong to compare them. Now, Berry has carried this team on his back for 3 years. He doesn't just sit back there in zone. He blitzes, is huge in run support, plays man-to-man, he does it all. you're not going to tell me Jenkins deserves anything more just because he plays a position that's "generally" harder to play.
1) Defensive players have a 1 in a billion chance of winning the heisman no matter who they are
2) TN has been irrelevant for most of the time Eric has been playing there. Who you play for makes a big difference. IE, Tebow's stats aren't that good, but the fact that he does them for the number one country in the nation is a lot more impressive then a really good player lifting a team to nowhere, which is really what Eric has done. No offense to him (he's great), but he never had a chance.
eric berry is my favorite football player! I actually love seeing ut punt (which is quite often). because i get to see him make awesome plays! did you see that Int. agianst florida!!! BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope he goes to the Patriots when he is drafted, I'm a huge new england fan and they need a play maker on defense!
yeah he's mine too. I would love to see him go to a team that actually wins. I'd be miserable if he went to Oakland or Dallas or something. but i doubt the Pats will end up with a pick in the Top 5.
I'm a UGA fan and I'll be the first to tell you Eric Berry is incredible athlete. However, their are a few problems facing Eric Berry in his Heisman hunt. First and foremost, Berry is a defensive player which makes it that much harder. Second, he is on a team that isn't even in the top 25. Third, he is against a class of incredible quarterbacks. Now if I was a sports writer with a vote I would definitely have Eric Berry on my Heisman Ballot, thus I think he is that good. However he will not win.
Eric Berry is my favorite college athlete maybe of the 2000s, but I have to agree with this. It won't be a lack of performance by Berry, it'll be a Heisman performance by a player like Colt McCoy. I wish Berry would win the Heisman, but no.
berry is a damn badass. Vols all the way man. but its not all about stats...its about how good your whole team does and sadly there is no way he is gonna get that with crompton and the offence playing like they are
Berry had 14 tackles last night, 4 of them for a loss and 1 pass breakup. Ben Tate doesn't have SHIT on Berry and if you ever make a retarded claim like that ever again I will shit on your head.
Please dont compare Eric Berry to Charles Woodson. A shutdown CB will always be more valuable than a great Safety. Woodson had 8 INTs his Heisman year despite the opposing QBs barely throwing it on his side, Eric Berry on the other hand just roams around the field so he gets more opportunity for INTs. Not to mention that Charles Woodson single handedly won the Michigan the Rose Bowl by shutting down David Boston who was a top 10 pick WR.
Woodson was incredible, but one person does not make a team. he was only a component. you could argue they don't go undefeated without him, but there was more to that 'ship than simply him. IMO, both positions are important, but you can't really put a value on Berry's ability to score every time he touches the ball. that's a very special attribute that shouldn't be overlooked. whatever your opinion, Berry deserves Heisman recognition.
Eric Berry is great player and probably the best DB in college right now. But he shouldn't even be in Heisman discussion unless his team is in the top of SEC. Tennessee right now is in the bottom of SEC, and no its not Eric Berry's fault but U shouldnt even be a consideration unless your on a winning team. THATS WHY THEY HAVE THE THORPE AWARD. He deserves the THORPE AWARD, but not the HEISMAN.
ahh, good point. but that brings up the question of should your team's record really matter?
also it's kind of ironic you say that. UT has had 2 players really be screwed out of the Heisman: Johnny Majors and Peyton Manning. Instead of Majors, they gave it to a guy from a 2 win Notre Dame team. and we all know they gave it to a DB over Manning. Berry was a DB on a losing team last year.
anyway, UT is 2-2 right now and have only played 1 SEC game. they're not at the bottom yet.
Did U just mention Paul Horning ? What are you, 95 Years old ? Times were different back then buddy. There were no cable television back when Horning was playing so he basically had no competition since not everyone back then werent getting exposure due to the lack of television and no interenet back then.
whatever man. Berry is the best player in college football, the best athlete in college football, and could very easily be the Top pick in 2010. he's a stud, and I don't care if UT went 0-12 this year. he's an absolute freak and deserves recognition.
Nice vid hes a tremendous player but if Sean Taylor...R.I.P. didnt get it with his amazing season at a perennial school berry wont get it hell have to put up huge numbers every game and score some td's plain and simple
umm im a big tennessee fan but the thorpe n hesiman award isnt jus bouts stats jenkins won it bc no reciver he covered had more than 5 catches n his ints sas low bc they didnt throw to him n taylor mays n eric berry r toooo totally differnt players u cant really say on better
yeah I've heard why Malcolm doesn't have stats before. but on paper, I can show you things Eric Berry does much better than Taylor Mays. for one he intercepts passes much better, the stats prove that. but can you really show anything that Mays does better than Berry? No, you can't.
Berry is an overall better, more versatile and dynamic player.
mays puts fear in qbs its not his fault he gets no passes thrown to him mays is also a leader toooo eric berry= ed reed taylor mays = SEAN TAYLOR i wouldn't care who i have really
While he'll have the better stats espn and all of the other sports stations won't back him, but Eric Berry should at least be considered, and should even have a legitimate shot at winning. He's as good as anybody on that list. I just hope they don't do him like they did Peyton in '97.
very good comment. I completely agree with you. he's actually 6th on the Heisman watch list according to ESPN. but he's going to have to get alot more votes than is shown for him on there to even go to New York.
Exactly. I've been on there and voted, and I should probably do it again. I guess if we want to see him have a shot, then all of the VOL fans should get on there and vote all they can. By the way where did you go to high school?
You Vols fans need to get over it Eric Berry was NOTHING like Charles Woodson... You dont compare a Safety who gets to play up on the line and make tackles and rush the QB at times and gets to roam the secondary and make plays ( of course he will have more tackles, TFL ,Sacks, possibly INTs) to a SHUTDOWN Corner wo ELIMINATES half the field and rarely if ever gets thrown at .. Woodson was THE MAN he did it all and thats why he won the HEISMAN and Berry and Manning didnt..Get over it
KALINIG323 8 months ago
@KALINIG323 If you had watched Eric Berry play, you would know he is outstanding in man coverage with outstanding corner skills. Sounds like a Woodson homer.
RondoGuitarDude 8 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude
Woodson has a Heisman and Berry and Manning doesnt
KALINIG323 8 months ago
@KALINIG323 Eric Crouch has a heisman Tom Brady doesn't. Does that affect your opinion of who is better?
RondoGuitarDude 8 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude tom brady only played 2 years because of brian grease, manning and berry and woodson had more than 2 years
MichiganFan39 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 not the point. besides, You don't have to have a great career to win a Heisman, only a great season.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude excellent point, but practice makes perfect, and tom brady only had 2 seasons to try to win, the others had 3 or more
MichiganFan39 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 maybe so but the point of my comment was to show the other guy that a Heisman does not make a player better than another.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude but not in this case, because charles woodson is twice the player than berry will ever be
MichiganFan39 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 you need to stay on the message boards and leave the football talk to the big boys. You know as much about football talent as you do quantum physics: nothing.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude charles woodson has a heisman trophy, national title, and super bowl ring, he lead all of those, he might not have lead the super bowl game, but he lead the pack to the game, he's a leader, and thats talent, i judge talent, and eric berry vs charles woodson does not compare.
MichiganFan39 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 You are making yourself appear more ignorant with every comment. First, Super Bowls and National Championships are team accomplishments. You can not credit a single player with those. Also, Berry has only been in the NFL 1 year. Woodson has been there for 13. To compare 13 years to 1 makes me think you are mildly retarded. Last, while the Heisman is an individual award it is made possible by being on a GOOD TEAM. 4th, Peyton was robbed but that is another story entirely.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude i said charles woodson LEAD those teams to those accomplishments, i might not have said that the same way but i clearly meant it, peyton was not robbed, peyton was only on offense, and only had offensive stats coming to the heisman, while charles woodson was a triple threat, Special teams, Defense, and Offense, had stats all over the chart.
MichiganFan39 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 I don't know where to begin. You want to talk stats? Let's talk stats. Woodson only touched the ball on offense a few times all year. He didn't accumulate one tenth of Peyton's stats. Furthermore, the player that won the Heisman in 1996 was Danny Wuerffel from Florida. Peyton's stats were very comparable to Wuerffel's and even better in some areas. But the media did not want 2 SEC QBs to win 2 years in a row, so hundreds of people left Peyton completely off of their ballots.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 Peyton actually had more 1st place votes than Woodson, but because so many people left him off of their ballots as a result of bias, he did not win. You want to try to argue that Peyton wasn't a Top 5 player that year? That's a complete joke of dirty politics and I feel it's completely ok to call that robbery. A player with 4 TDs all year wins the Heisman over one of the best college QBs of all time with 37 TD passes. Whatever. Eric Berry is better. Woodson is old anyway.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
@RondoGuitarDude all i said was why peyton did NOT win, and all of a sudden your saying i said something i didn't, your a dumbass, of course manning was top 5, i never said he wasn't, but your being a dumbass and saying i did
MichiganFan39 6 months ago
@MichiganFan39 (facepalm)... I never accused you of saying Manning wasn't top 5. Just proving that he was indeed robbed by people in the media with an agenda.
RondoGuitarDude 6 months ago
I knew he was drafted in the 1st round but didn't know where he went in the draft. Thanks 4 the info.
chilton112011 1 year ago
Who does he play for now?
chilton112011 1 year ago
@chilton112011 Kansas City Chiefs selected him 5th overall in the 2010 draft.
RondoGuitarDude 1 year ago
wait, so im confused, how did woodson get an INT?? isnt he offense and special teams??
trickster477 1 year ago
All I can say is that even thought stats may be comparable the heisman is a year to year award and players for year to year change...obviously.
jagwosdz 1 year ago
eric berry is ma man # 14 baby go VOLS
nintendofan1921 1 year ago
I think Berry should get considered but what CW did was incrediable for a Corner
Pimp4life03 1 year ago
if you honestly dont think EB was the best player in college football you are retarded he deserved way more than what he got..
seth08panthers 1 year ago
we need him to replace reed when he retires
dafreshprinceyo 1 year ago
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trickers13 2 years ago
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PHILLYfan1518 1 year ago
@trickers13
Alter Bridge - Open Your Eyes
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DUH
trickers13 1 year ago
eric berry better
nemesisgtb 2 years ago
eric berry= ed reed....eric berry will be a pro bowler for many years..he is the future
yourTHElame 2 years ago 9
this kid is going to be the next Troy polamalu
Burhangnom 2 years ago
slash lovin lane kiffin tonight bra. aahhhhh my man just stickin it to the vols, should smooth things out for you guys. have fun getting spanked by bama and florida next year forreal. Can't even beat my boys from the ACC Va Tech.
blumie32 2 years ago
fuck off troll
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@blumie32 -when your team wins a national championship...your allowed to speak.
mrgrey54 1 year ago
blumie32 -when your team wins a national championship...your allowed to speak.
mrgrey54 1 year ago
eric berry went to the sec title as a freshmen, he was a junior this past year. charles woodson had those stats on a national title team, where he was probably the most important player on the team.
blumie32 2 years ago
why does it matter when he played in it? you're an idiot. I just proved you don't know anything about EB. plus he had 1 INT and 1 fumble recovery in that SEC title game as a true freshmen. stop giving Woodson credit for being on a better team because unless he recruited every other player from that team, he didn't really have anything to do with that.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
but Charles Woodson was easily the best player in '97, even better than Peyton. Eric, while having better stats, faces probably more passes than CW did, and EB isn't the best player this year or any year he's been in. Sorry for bursting that bubble, and EB wasn't even the best defensive player last year
maizeandblueheart 1 year ago
To balance that, many people thought Peyton was easily the best player that year. Many people also thought Berry was the best player this and last year.
You're entitled to your opinion, but opinions never prove anything. Facts do.
RondoGuitarDude 1 year ago
Peyton was great but CW made so many clutch and amazing plays that year, the 1 handed INT, the pick in the endzone against OSU/WSU, the punt return TD. CW was a 2 way player, and made good plays on both sides of the ball.
maizeandblueheart 1 year ago
@maizeandblueheart ....charles woodson wasn't a better player then peyton or eric berry. his team was better, that would be his only advantage, and the main reason he won the heismen.
mrgrey54 1 year ago
@mrgrey54 You forgot, CW played both ways. and CW excelled at offense, defense, and special teams. He was an all around player.
maizeandblueheart 1 year ago
@maizeandblueheart well im sorry to say that you are wrong eric berry was the best at his postion 2 of his 3years in college and the only reason jenkins won the award was because of a hyped up media machine .............
and by the way maize how is that u of m football team doing these days lol sucky as ever by the looks of it.
Fultonfalcons86 1 year ago
@Fultonfalcons86
two transition years, frome run, run, pass, punt to the spread. No spread type players (except for antionio bass who killed his knee). And last year, we were a few plays away from 7 wins. and berry was very good, ill admit that (or he wouldnt be a top 5 draft pick), and also, where is malcom? Berry should do well in the NFL, not better than woodson, but on the same level.
maizeandblueheart 1 year ago
@maizeandblueheart Malcolm Jenkins I believe is a backup nickelback for the Saints, while I predict Eric Berry will instantly be the biggest playmaker on the Chiefs defense. He is my preseason favorite to win Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. If he doesn't win it, he will at least close. And write this down now: Within 3 years he will be the best safety in the NFL. The BEST. write it down.
RondoGuitarDude 1 year ago
@RondoGuitarDude better than Troy Polamalu, Ed Reed, or Adrian Wilson, or Bob Sanders? i dnt think so bruh, he will be ONE of the best but not THE best unless all of those player retire at the same time.
jmateen1 1 year ago
@maizeandblueheart well i find it hard even though im a vol fan and live near the campus that manning gets the hype here when t.martin and the guys on the nc squad in 98 did what manning could not, but i do beloieve in my book berry will be better than woodson on the pro level if he is able to to get away from KC.
Fultonfalcons86 1 year ago
get off his damn nuts. he will be an nfl superstar but not heisman worthy with his wack team, get off your high horse. slash tennessee is a trashy school both football and bball programs are shady. good luck getting by bama and florida in the future bra.
blumie32 2 years ago
dude you're absolutely retarded. Eric Berry has played in the SEC championship game, or does that not count as a big game? so why don't you fuck off you trolling piece of shit.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Sometimes it helps if your team is half decent. VA tech waxed your ass and there offense is not even that good. slash woodson made game changing plays for the best team in the nation without him they would not have won a title. he made his biggest plays in the biggest games genius. eric berry has not even played in a big game clown. tennessee woulda sucked with or without berry.
blumie32 2 years ago
im sick of the whole quarterbacks winning the hesiman. i was glad ingram won and i woulda voted for gerhart but if suh wasnt in the same class as berry he coulda had a shot. he deffinitley deserved the thorpe over haden
NOTaREDsoxFAN 2 years ago
the reason why woodson won the heisman was because his team WON THE NATIONAL TITLE!!! clearly Tennessee hasn't recently...yes his stats are better, but look at the records of the past heisman winners....all are close to the top of the football ranks.
jkiddwant2b 2 years ago
no. charles woodson was a dirty punt/kick returner and though he didn't have a ton of receiving td's, he did garner a ton of yardage. not only was he one of the best corners ever to play college football, but he also played well on both sides of the ball, leading him to edge out peyton manning for that year's heisman.
wfsswmr7285 2 years ago
stats aren't everything for db's Asamoah on the raiders probably doesn't even have that good of stats because nobody ever throws the ball his way cause they know their receiver won't be open. so even though eirc berry is real nasty, stats don't tell the whole story for db's. and u forgot charles woodson went both ways, which is unheard of in college football, let alonea national championship team.
traceyboy07 2 years ago
you spelled despite wrong
oreoboy42 2 years ago
Eric Berry is an amazing player. I do think he will win the Thorpe Award at some point, but I do not think he will ever be seriously considered for the Heisman. Not only is it mostly and offensive award, but if Tennessee starts winning then it will be their offense that starts showing up, their defense did not have problems in big games this year.
Personally I think Mark Barron of Alabama is the Defensive back to watch however, he led the SEC in INT this year.
Ingram deserved it.
Roll Tide
srabraves88 2 years ago
He did win the Thorpe this year.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude, Malc is a CB, Eric is a safety. big difference, the best CB in the NFL, arguably, Nnamdi Asomugha, doesn't put up great numbers. yet, he's the best CB arguably. a good safety puts up better numbers than a good CB. so the stat comparison isn't valid. not hating or anything, just my opinion, of course.
GoCavs22 2 years ago
Ingram is good but nobody deserved the Heisman more than Ndamukong Suh... They stole it from him but it doesn't matter cuz my BUCS will get him at #1 in the draft!!!!
marcrib79 2 years ago
finally, it took a while but we finally got another ed reed. i hope he does well in the nfl. but me personally, i dont think anyone can out do mr ed reed himself
straightBeast94 2 years ago
Tyler Sash got shafted.
mrgz4u 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Eric Berry=FAIL. Mark Ingram= 2009 Heisman Trophy winner!
LedZeppelin13k7 2 years ago
get that crap outta here. Mark Ingram isn't even the best RB in the SEC, Montario Hardesty is!
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
Uh, please tell me you were joking.
mrgz4u 2 years ago
No. I'm dead serious. But you are an Ohio State fan i'm pretty sure. You know nothing about the SEC or Hardesty. I do have points to support that but that's an argument for another day.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
I live in Florida, my dad is a Florida fan, my mom is an Auburn fan. Both are SERIOUS college football fans. Trust me, I know a LOT about SEC football.
Hardesty is a good RB, but Ingram is on another level. The stats speak for themselves, and he's only a sophomore.
mrgz4u 2 years ago
I'm not even going to get into this with you... end of conversation.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
There is no conversation, Ingram is far and away the best RB in the SEC and the 2nd best RB in the country. There is no discussion, there is no argument. Are seriously that much of a homer?
mrgz4u 2 years ago
Ingram rushed for 1,400 yards in the regular season behind a very talented, deep, healthy, experienced offensive line in a familiar offensive scheme. Hardesty rushed for 1,300 behind a thin, vastly inexperienced, banged up offensive line with 2 walk ons starting in a first year system. We don't have near the talent Alabama does up front and Hardesty only had 100 yards less. You could make a case. In fact, I just did.
You are now banned from this video. I'm sick of you hating on my vids.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
Oh, and Tennessee's C (forgot his name) was an all american candidate this season.
mrgz4u 2 years ago
yea people never factor in the fact that players play in the sec.
LOUISIANAforlife 2 years ago
TN has 4 seniors and 3 guys over 320. charlse scott is down as 345. alabama doesnt have a guy over 305 and they start a junior and two sophomores. mark ingram is that good man. why do you think more than half of his yards are after contact.? hardesty is amazing man im not taking anything away from him, he is arguably the #2 RB in sec . i cant wait to watch bryce brown and trent richardson! going to be fun to watch. by the way eric berry is the man! i hope he goes to the saints! who dat!
LOUISIANAforlife 2 years ago
2 of those seniors are walk ons and we have a redshirt freshmen who converted from TE to T. Chris Scott, Vlad Richard, and Jacque McClendon are solid, but like I said we are very thin and those 2 walk ons are very undersized. Ingram has a good Oline. Bama has been recruiting well the last few years with Saban so they have top talent, regardless of who they needed to replace. When you recruit top talent every year you don't experience the huge drop off of losing a guy like Smith.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
true.
LOUISIANAforlife 2 years ago
how many touchdowns did Mark Ingram get against Tennessee this year? or Mcclain? or any other Tide Fuck far as that goes.....they just got lucky and beat us by 2 points due to a field goal block by Terrance Cody......if any bama player deserves it its him because he was the only Tide fuck playing football while Ingram and everybody else on that silly team was just acting stupid!!!!!!.....go Vols!!!!!!!
awr7214 2 years ago
exactly voltronshakespeare well said whoever wins the Heisman leads there team to victories. great athlete yes but not the best in the league by any means and considered for it?? no just because he hasn't led his team to victories like all the other candidates have for as long as i can remember but defiantly in the top 5 sec defensive secondary players probably the best defensive back
huntizzy1 2 years ago
Eric Berry is definitely the best defensive player in the SEC. just ask anybody predicting the NFL draft for this year.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
I'd have to disagree. I personally think Rolondo Mcclain is by far the best defensive playing in the SEC.
DaGreatBrandonie 2 years ago
You could make a case for both players.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
How did Charles Woodson "controversially win the Heisman?" Is it just because he beat Manning?
eskimoenge9797 2 years ago
Controversy simply means a discussion marked by opposing views. Obviously, there were lots of people that disagreed with Woodson winning the Heisman, UT fans and otherwise.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Berry pic-sixed that faggot Tim Tebow 95 yards to the house- he's the best athlete in college football right now and should have won the thorpe without any doubt!
mariolinksonic100 2 years ago
First of all, you don't compare a current Heisman candidate to past candidates or winners. You compare him to other current candidates. Secondly, a Heisman winner is just that. A winner. A player that makes sure his team wins games. Eric Berry is a great player, but he simply doesn't qualify.
Colt McCoy pretty much has it on lock after Auburn completely shut down Mark Ingram yesterday afternoon. He'd have to have a 200+ yard game against Florida to even re-enter the discussion.
VoltronShakespeare 2 years ago
Good point Voltron, but it's hard to compare a safety like Berry to a QB or a RB. That's why I threw Woodson out there. People are giving me hell for that comparison, but it's probably the best one you could make. I know that Berry will not win the Heisman. As much as I'd love to think that the voters don't leave players out because of their team or their position, I can't admit that because it's not true. But I still think he's the best player in college football, Heisman or not.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Eric Berry wont win with those stats cuz when Woodson did he was on a National Championship team
ljboyd8 2 years ago
As a corner and a shutdown corner at that there are little opportunities for tackles. Balls rarely get thrown to a shutdown corners way therefore limiting the opportunities for int's. A safety has more freedom to make plays and get better stats.
dawgpound04 2 years ago
please read the description.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
B4h!
buttpoop3 2 years ago
BERRY FOR HEISMAN
trackstar7000 2 years ago
marcrib79, your a total douchebag eric berry plays in the sec if you didnt know which means he has to be big to do anything everyone in the sec is big on both sides of the ball the difference between the big 12 and the sec is the sec actually plays real football by playing defense and running real offenses except florida but they have a good spread; no you can sit here and deny it but if you look at the stats, you will have a clear view of us top conference. great vid rondoguitardude
allstarhero20 2 years ago
thanks for the support allstar.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
great video tho not gonna lie.
mthompson24 2 years ago
jenkins n berry play 2 different possions. jenkins is a corner. berry safey. safteys dotn get blocked by wr on sweeps so that alters the tackle stats. so cant compair that. n safteys can have a lil more freedom back there in zone and get to more parts of the feild easier than a corner can were there isolated on that half of the feild. so its difficult to compair stats here. theyre both dirty tho not gonna lie
mthompson24 2 years ago
Berry 4 Heisman!!!!!!
ClevCavfan4ever 2 years ago
LOL Berry plays safety and Woodson plays corner. Its harder to get INT's and big time return yards at CB. As for Woodson he did it all. He played against the team's best WR, returned kicks, played WR and oh yeah lead his team to a National Championship. Big difference. I like Berry a lot but your comparison to Woodson is a bad one.
NookieMonster2200 2 years ago
It would be nice for people to read the descripton of a video before they comment on it.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Eric Berry is simply the best!!
Go Vols! Almost had the record at the Memphis game.
volfan989 2 years ago
ok I think that Eric Berry is a great player but he's no CW...
First off, Woodson played corner and Berry plays saftey. Which means Woodson has less of a chance of returning a pick because he usually got his picks in man-to-man coverage which means that he has a better chance of being tackled after the int is made.
Woodson also was on the field almost the whole game in almost every game which means he had to go into man-to-man coverage right after playing offense and spec. teams...
marcrib79 2 years ago
if you had read the previous comments on this video, you would realize that this point has been made about 50 times before you.
Everyone making your point has assumed that I don't know the difference between safeties and corners because I compared the two. If comparing them makes you ignorant, then the entire Thorpe award commitee is just that.
EB is on the field quite a bit as well. He plays every defensive snap and also covers kicks. He does just as much for his team.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
ok well put it like this corners usually get the nod over safties...
Miami FS Sean Taylor in 2003 was no doubt the best defensive back in the nation recording 77 tackles (57 solo) and 10 interceptions. He lost the Award to CB Derrick Strait of OU who had 80 tackles but only 3 picks...
marcrib79 2 years ago
"ok well put it like this corners usually get the nod over safties..."
I'm not disagreeing with that as a fact, it's proven that's how it works. I'm disagreeing with that as the proper method for judging who is the most deserving of the award.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
Because most corners can play safety and be good... but not alot of safeties can play corner.
look at Antrel Rolle from the Cardinals... All American in college at CB but in the league he was average now they moved him to safety and he's some sort of all pro... safety is easier to play... that's why the Thorpe committie looks at it that way... well maybe
marcrib79 2 years ago
What are you even replying to? I didn't ask you a question. And I don't know why people arguing your point assume that I don't know the things you just said in your 2 comments.
You are applying a general concept to a circumstance where it doesn't apply. Eric Berry isn't just a safety. he has played every DB position and had great success in all of them. you are assuming that Jenkins is more talented because of the position next to his name on the line-up.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
Look idk and quite frankly don't care anymore it's quite obvious that u don't understand that they haven't seen anything he's done as quite that special
marcrib79 2 years ago
I'm sure they did or he would not have been a finalist... OBVIOUSLY. You've been trying to tell me why they gave it to Malcolm (which I already know).
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
well I was at first letting u know that this guy is no Charles Woodson, so u can stop comparing them...
marcrib79 2 years ago
no, he isn't Charles Woodson. I think he's even better.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
U can't name one thing he does better than Woodson did in college besides maybe hit... he doesn't jump, catch, cover, or lead his team better... but Berry is a great player don't get me wrong. But better than Charles Woodson... HA!
I suppose u actually believe he's better than Sean Taylor or Ed Reed too... lol
marcrib79 2 years ago
he is 5 yards away from being the most prolific INT returner in the history of college football for one. watch his INT @ UCLA last year he lept a mile high for it. He catches tons of passes, more than some receivers. He's just on defense when he does it. He's doing a lot more man coverage this year which is why he doesn't have as many picks, he shuts down whoever he covers (where have I heard THAT before?). And he has carried the team on his back for 2 years now. I just told you so you're wrong.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
He carried his team on his back to a losing season? well they need a new back to jump on... He's still not better than Woodson seeing as CW got most of his picks from man coverage...
Then on top of that u just contradicted urself...
U say berry doesn't have as many picks cuz he's in man coverage yet u whine bout him losing the thorpe to CB who doesn't get alot of picks because CB's are mostly in MAN-COVERAGE.... duh
marcrib79 2 years ago
He was amazing. Without Berry leading our defense that 5-7 record becomes 2-10 or worse.
This means Berry plays man coverage every bit as good as Jenkins, but he also has the best open-field ability in the history of the game on defense. Berry plays man as good as Jenkins, and still has the playmaking factor that Jenkins doesn't. That's why I said that. We knew this last year because Berry played some man last year as well. THAT'S why he should've won the award.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
ok I KNOW he's better than Malcolm Jenkins but u said he's better than Charles Woodson... which he isn't...
marcrib79 2 years ago
it's ok if you disagree. Time will prove me right.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
but I have to ask if you KNOW he is better than Jenkins, what exactly were you arguiing this whole time?
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
ok do me a favor and forget Jenkins he's not the issue... my issue was with u comparing him to CW...
marcrib79 2 years ago
alot of sports writers and experts think he may be the best college DB of the last 10 years. He's #2 on Mel Kiper's big board as a junior. why not compare the best to the best?
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
He is simply NOT the best. Idc what you say
Juno2582 2 years ago
He simply IS the best. Idc what YOU say.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Dude, me and you are on the same page. Eric Berry is a hell of a lot better than all those guys, they are just dumb enough not to research the stats and see it in the recorded proof. Its proven in black in white, Eric Berry is better. Idc, call me a hater on all them, it's true. and you can't tell me all those guys hit harder than Eric Berry... I dare yall dumbasses to go up against him and see who gets knocked back a week... They're gay. Rondo, you the man!
wesley14411441 2 years ago
thanks for the support wesley, you the man.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
@RondoGuitarDude
evidently they forgot about alot of college DB's in the last 10 years...
Sean Taylor-Miami
Ed Reed-Miami
Troy Polamalu-USC
Reggie Nelson-UF
LaRon Landry-LSU
Roy Williams-OU
He's good and he deserves his name to be with all these guys but to say he's better than they were in college is disrespectful
marcrib79 2 years ago
how is it disrespecful? they're just players not Gods. he may very well be better than them (I never said he was by the way), but it's not wrong to compare.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Do u really KNOW how good those guys were in college? Seriously tho... The first 3 guys I named were bigger, faster, and stronger than Berry, they hit harder and they were feared in from college to the NFL. Berry aint sorry or nothin by NO means but if u really think he's BETTER than Taylor (RIP), Reed, or Polamalu were in college than u should look at some of those guys highlights from college...
marcrib79 2 years ago
no disrespect intended, but you are being kind of a moron right now. you are trying to argue an entirely different point that what this video is about or what I've been talking about all so that you will feel like you're right. like my last comment said (I don't know why I'm repeating myself because you obviously can't read), I never compared him to any of those guys, you did. and now you tell me I'm wrong for comparing them? if that's a problem then you should be arguing with yourself.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
I hate to break it to you.. But Eric Berry is the top safety in college.. And IF he payed corner (which he did his sophomore year) he would be the best CORNER in college.. The reason he switched to safety was so he could be more of a play maker and freelance with his talent.. A corners job is much tougher.. well.. Unless a team runs cover 2 defense.. Then its the easiest position on the field..
sagy52 2 years ago
a safety any day, because 1. his job his harder. 2. he's more athletic. and 3. more times than not, BETTER.
But again, Berry has the chance to become a great Safety. You on the other hand need to compare him to other safeties as well as translating his game & stats to that of a corner. Corners will win every time. They're asked to do, MUCH more. (Run defend, blitz, & most importantly mirror the fastest players on the field).
eyemz14yoo 2 years ago
4. A corners job is bar none, harder than a safeties. You're asking a man to read, react & mirror someone who knows exactly where they're running & has just as much or more speed than the corner.. ALL WHILE GOING BACKWARDS for the first 5-10 yards. I'm not saying Eric Berry shouldn't be considered for the Heisman... he's had a great career up to this point, but your video is a crock from the get go. Eric Berry is NOT a corner. He's a safety. A corner will get the Thorpe award over
eyemz14yoo 2 years ago
Yardage comparison was second. Third, Safeties will have more tackles that most corners because 1. they're last line of defense. 2. everything happens in front of them so they can break on plays knowing that the D-line is first line, corners AND linebackers are second...... 3. Safeties can blitz knowing they don't have man coverage most of the time. Also! They're the EXTRA man in the box to defend run plays.
eyemz14yoo 2 years ago
I tried to give your video a chance but after your first two comparisons, I realized that you have no concept football. First, let me point out that you're comparing two COMEPLETELY different positions. Safeties will, more often than not, have more return yards because they're getting breaks on the ball. Corners are man-up, backed up & RIGHT next to someone 90% of the time, so their chance of return yards are harder.
eyemz14yoo 2 years ago
listen to the guy that replied to you. You disagree with me comparing the two, but if they were both up for the same award, somebody had to have compared them before me. so I'm not wrong to compare them. Now, Berry has carried this team on his back for 3 years. He doesn't just sit back there in zone. He blitzes, is huge in run support, plays man-to-man, he does it all. you're not going to tell me Jenkins deserves anything more just because he plays a position that's "generally" harder to play.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
CB is harder than S i play S and i tryied CB it is harder i will admit it
doommkid 2 years ago
Hopefully Berry stays at UT for his Senior year..With him not having a great Junior year I think he might.
shaun0069 2 years ago
hes still having a good year, he just has less INTs. he has an absolutely ungodly amount of tackles to this point in the season.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
yeah but the reason he dont have any picks is because QB's got smart and havent thrown his way lol..
shaun0069 2 years ago
partly but they have thrown his way a few times. he's just been in awkward position to catch it sometimes.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
detroit is taking berry.they need a player in that secondary badly.and they will pick in the top 3 in 2010.also there coach has tennessee ties
allenlindley 2 years ago
Actually, he was tied for the lead with Ahmad Black. Go Gators!!!!
ryanstinkinjackson 2 years ago
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boy got trucked by ben tate. wde
xWhiteB0y115x 2 years ago
1) Defensive players have a 1 in a billion chance of winning the heisman no matter who they are
2) TN has been irrelevant for most of the time Eric has been playing there. Who you play for makes a big difference. IE, Tebow's stats aren't that good, but the fact that he does them for the number one country in the nation is a lot more impressive then a really good player lifting a team to nowhere, which is really what Eric has done. No offense to him (he's great), but he never had a chance.
ScreamxBloodyxGore 2 years ago
those malcum jenkins stats are not right he said he had 7 return yards but in the highlights he had a return longer then 7 yards????
gobucks1932 2 years ago
that highlight was not from 2008
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
eric berry is my favorite football player! I actually love seeing ut punt (which is quite often). because i get to see him make awesome plays! did you see that Int. agianst florida!!! BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope he goes to the Patriots when he is drafted, I'm a huge new england fan and they need a play maker on defense!
bojang13s 2 years ago
yeah he's mine too. I would love to see him go to a team that actually wins. I'd be miserable if he went to Oakland or Dallas or something. but i doubt the Pats will end up with a pick in the Top 5.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
yeah, he will be a great play maker in the NFL. maybe he'll stay another year at UT. although he'd be crazy not to be drafted after this year.
bojang13s 2 years ago
well he's said that he will stay for his senior season if his parents find a job. both of them have been laid off in the last year or so.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
I swear if I owned a business, I would put them on my payroll and not make them work a day... Just to keep E.B. in Knoxville for one more year...
ut4life05 2 years ago 2
I'm a UGA fan and I'll be the first to tell you Eric Berry is incredible athlete. However, their are a few problems facing Eric Berry in his Heisman hunt. First and foremost, Berry is a defensive player which makes it that much harder. Second, he is on a team that isn't even in the top 25. Third, he is against a class of incredible quarterbacks. Now if I was a sports writer with a vote I would definitely have Eric Berry on my Heisman Ballot, thus I think he is that good. However he will not win.
jharper197915 2 years ago
Eric Berry is my favorite college athlete maybe of the 2000s, but I have to agree with this. It won't be a lack of performance by Berry, it'll be a Heisman performance by a player like Colt McCoy. I wish Berry would win the Heisman, but no.
redekulus 2 years ago
heisman performance by a player like Colt McCoy??? are you fuckin serious.... mccoy hasnt done shit this season to win the heisman fuck that bitch
auburntigersfan9 2 years ago
berry is a damn badass. Vols all the way man. but its not all about stats...its about how good your whole team does and sadly there is no way he is gonna get that with crompton and the offence playing like they are
jazzyj1865 2 years ago
oh yes eric berry shud be heisman after get ran over and juked out constantly by ben tate last night
MrASSWIPE123 2 years ago
Berry had 14 tackles last night, 4 of them for a loss and 1 pass breakup. Ben Tate doesn't have SHIT on Berry and if you ever make a retarded claim like that ever again I will shit on your head.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Please dont compare Eric Berry to Charles Woodson. A shutdown CB will always be more valuable than a great Safety. Woodson had 8 INTs his Heisman year despite the opposing QBs barely throwing it on his side, Eric Berry on the other hand just roams around the field so he gets more opportunity for INTs. Not to mention that Charles Woodson single handedly won the Michigan the Rose Bowl by shutting down David Boston who was a top 10 pick WR.
sfreedadon 2 years ago
please read the description.
Woodson was incredible, but one person does not make a team. he was only a component. you could argue they don't go undefeated without him, but there was more to that 'ship than simply him. IMO, both positions are important, but you can't really put a value on Berry's ability to score every time he touches the ball. that's a very special attribute that shouldn't be overlooked. whatever your opinion, Berry deserves Heisman recognition.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Eric Berry is great player and probably the best DB in college right now. But he shouldn't even be in Heisman discussion unless his team is in the top of SEC. Tennessee right now is in the bottom of SEC, and no its not Eric Berry's fault but U shouldnt even be a consideration unless your on a winning team. THATS WHY THEY HAVE THE THORPE AWARD. He deserves the THORPE AWARD, but not the HEISMAN.
sfreedadon 2 years ago
ahh, good point. but that brings up the question of should your team's record really matter?
also it's kind of ironic you say that. UT has had 2 players really be screwed out of the Heisman: Johnny Majors and Peyton Manning. Instead of Majors, they gave it to a guy from a 2 win Notre Dame team. and we all know they gave it to a DB over Manning. Berry was a DB on a losing team last year.
anyway, UT is 2-2 right now and have only played 1 SEC game. they're not at the bottom yet.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Didn't some asshole form Notre Dame (Paul Horning) win the Heisman over Johnny Majors while his team went 2-8????
You logic is flawed my friend.
jtmav55 2 years ago
Did U just mention Paul Horning ? What are you, 95 Years old ? Times were different back then buddy. There were no cable television back when Horning was playing so he basically had no competition since not everyone back then werent getting exposure due to the lack of television and no interenet back then.
SO YOUR LOGIC IS WRONG GRAND PA!!
sfreedadon 2 years ago
whatever man. Berry is the best player in college football, the best athlete in college football, and could very easily be the Top pick in 2010. he's a stud, and I don't care if UT went 0-12 this year. he's an absolute freak and deserves recognition.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
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sfreedadon 2 years ago
Nice vid hes a tremendous player but if Sean Taylor...R.I.P. didnt get it with his amazing season at a perennial school berry wont get it hell have to put up huge numbers every game and score some td's plain and simple
illmatic0094 2 years ago
umm im a big tennessee fan but the thorpe n hesiman award isnt jus bouts stats jenkins won it bc no reciver he covered had more than 5 catches n his ints sas low bc they didnt throw to him n taylor mays n eric berry r toooo totally differnt players u cant really say on better
32163rob 2 years ago
yeah I've heard why Malcolm doesn't have stats before. but on paper, I can show you things Eric Berry does much better than Taylor Mays. for one he intercepts passes much better, the stats prove that. but can you really show anything that Mays does better than Berry? No, you can't.
Berry is an overall better, more versatile and dynamic player.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
mays puts fear in qbs its not his fault he gets no passes thrown to him mays is also a leader toooo eric berry= ed reed taylor mays = SEAN TAYLOR i wouldn't care who i have really
32163rob 2 years ago
why are QBs afraid of him? i thought it was receivers who were afraid to run routes on him. Berry is the heart and soul of the UT defense.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
While he'll have the better stats espn and all of the other sports stations won't back him, but Eric Berry should at least be considered, and should even have a legitimate shot at winning. He's as good as anybody on that list. I just hope they don't do him like they did Peyton in '97.
dwalke26 2 years ago
very good comment. I completely agree with you. he's actually 6th on the Heisman watch list according to ESPN. but he's going to have to get alot more votes than is shown for him on there to even go to New York.
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Exactly. I've been on there and voted, and I should probably do it again. I guess if we want to see him have a shot, then all of the VOL fans should get on there and vote all they can. By the way where did you go to high school?
dwalke26 2 years ago
Union County. why?
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
That's what I thought I did too, and I believe we've played music together with Allen Capps, Fatbakck, and Sawyer.
dwalke26 2 years ago
Daniel? whats up man!
RondoGuitarDude 2 years ago
Yeah. Not much.
dwalke26 2 years ago
ERIC BERRY GOT ROBBED!!! JENKINS DIDNT EVEN DESERVE THE THORPE!!! BUNCH OF BULLSHIT!!! DAMN WE NEED JUSTICE!! Good post
jthoma84 2 years ago