Energy from Water (Floatation)

[DraRed73]

Ouch, it must of hurt when the builder realised it wasn't going to work. I had a similar idea when I was younger but a bit of pen and paper analysis showed me it wouldn't work. I didn't get to the stage of actually trying to build it. Oh well, lesson learnt the hard way I guess. I should mention I only learnt to apply conservation of energy because previous attempts to produce free energy ended up being a big wast of time.

Cheers, Dale

[1marceltony]

lol nice try....but kept the man busy doing...something !

[mikedrazen]

is this music from lost?

[acorntechnique]

Nice music!

[kossxf]

I could prove the same thing by rolling that capsule down a hill, then leaving out the part where i walk it back uphill.

[adanieltorres]

You may be interested in a smaller scale solution to the water refill problem: youtube.com/watch?v=MIdt63Vl4X­s

[kikkosweb]

1. ho riflettuto su sto Video, fa l'errore di non lasciare un pò d'aria sopra al tubo. Poi il pistone deve essere a forma di bicchiere con la corona piena d'aria, e il fondo con 1/2 d'aria rispetto alla corona. Il volume del pistone è minore del vol. dell'acqua trasportata in superficie.

In cima c'è un magnete che attira in alto il pistone fuori dall'acqua. E un chiodo che a contatto apre una valvola nel fondo del bicchiere e fa piovere il contenuto dentro al tubo...

[kikkosweb]

2. Poi infine c'è una paratia al pelo con l'acqua che si chiude. In parte al pistone c'è n'è una laterale che si apre. Dall'altra parte vicino alla catena c'è un magnete più grande che attira il pistone verso sinistra e lo fa uscire dal tubo e la forza di gravità stacca il pistone dal magnete che scende nella catena. Il chiodo con un sistema a molla si sposta per fare uscire il pistone. Poi si chiude la paratia laterale e si riapre la paratia inferiore. Il gioco è fatto...

[cool70200]

pretty interesting

[waseatenbyagrue]

Instead of using the float, why don't they just open a faucet of water, put a wheel under it, and get energy that way? Same effect, since you gotta refill the tube with water anyway.

[tweeter9990]

how retarded do u think i am

[picchio277]

Water remains in the pipe as long as it's closed in the upper end. When you open it to take the yellow "egg" the water falls down and refilling the pipe takes all (maybe more) the energy produced in the fall... To prove this, in the video can't be seen how they take the yellow egg.

[ldl1949]

so why not just have the bottom close when the top opens and the other way around..?

[picchio277]

Cause I think it will spend more energy to open and close the pipe than a buoy lighter than water generates falling down. And you can't use a pipe much higher because atmospheric pressure wouldn't keep an high column of water inside the pipe.

[RagingCaveman]

Too bad this is not repeatable. I know someone who has a concept drawn out for a real perpetual float/sink generator.

[zecnobot]

It looked like a nutty asian porn video with a big orange cheeto turd in a pipe.

[SSKkill]

Man, if you can make that weight actually come back and jump back on the chain, you will make a constant generator!!!

[marcopete87]

bullshit.

[Blndrfist]

Why am I not surprised to see another third world chinaman scam? Is that all the these people can produce? Scam after scam? Seems like it.

[camicotohit]

to jest super :-)

[nodanno]

DID YOU SEE THAT? What with the music an' floatin' up an' down with that hot dog bun they got enuff lectric ta make a copy on that ther copy macheen they showed us at the beginnin' of this here video! Now ain't that sumthin'?

[nodanno]

Well at least the music is appropriate. Like something you'd EXPECT to hear at a funeral... when, finally, something is being laid to rest. A fate that the other hundreds of similar claims about "free Energy From Water" should be mercifully given.

[Hjelpdeg]

Beautiful!

Free energy surround's us everywhere.

The pardox is that because it is free, nobody will produce it. Big business is actually working against it and have done so for over a century.

TESLA had the answer!!!

[nodanno]

Yeah, like ANY big business is going to ignore ANY opportunity to make a bundle of money for their stockholders... with anything that actually WORKS that is! Totally new concept, huh? Rather like vulcanised rubber tires, etc. Huh? Noticwe how many months it took THAT idea to come market? All beczause of the resistance of big business I betcha by golly for sure!

[ZionistWorldOrder]

God Bless You! This is great!

Come on you guys! The water goes up the pipe through vacuum sucktion and is sealed by hatch. This is a complete cycle if you reorient the chain closer to top of pipe. Don't lose water level if you use two hatches to isolate weight atop a closed hatch. with the top hatch open it can mechanically or magnetically reattach to chain and start going downwards. Imagine this in a gargantuously scaled up version. One like ONLY the Chinese could construct ;D

[ceriman]

Sorry, but when the float is removed from the top, the water level in the tube goes down, hatch or no hatch. More water would need to be added to fill that space, pumped up from below, and that takes more energy than the descending float produces. THEY DO NOT SHOW THE FLOAT BEING REMOVED FROM THE TUBE! if they had, the flaw in the design would be obvious.

[ZionistWorldOrder]

if you say so :D i am certain majority would agree with you. Despite this and it's flaws my sentiment is that a gravity adapter producing energy is right around the corner, be it bouyancy or lift in air or whatever. If we could only tap the side effects of gravity or the power of magnets to lift 400 times their own weight.. It is indeed a shame on all engineers that to this day we have yet to find a contraption that does this. We can and we have before in history and we will again God willing ;)

[adanieltorres]

@ceriman If a float is added at the bottom at exactly the same rate that a float is removed from the top, the water level would not vary.

[001spam]

what i dont understand is how they get the water to stay in the tube without floding the tub it is in ??? try taking a full cup of water and put a pipe in it, and then fill the pipe with water... it will flod the glass.. in the vid there is a plastic hose going to the tube with water a there pumping somethin in it ????

[jofach]

ROFL, agree to Davinc's comment, u cant fool nature!

It's not evern net Zero, those old rusty chains and wheels have a bit of friction also...

[ibercaracole]

Fantastique et musique bublime - y-a-t il un traducteur ?

[Davinc]

Missing a critical step... getting the bouy out of the cylinder, which will require as much energy as was created by the fall. To extract the bouy an equal displacement of water must be sucked back up from the pool below. Net zero.

[adanieltorres]

@Davinc Couldn't a second buoy could be used to enter at the same time as the first is pulled out?

[pippo799]

beh pensa ad una siringa...

se aspiro l'aria dal cilindro l'acqua sale...

cmq bisogna vedere quanta energia spendo

per chiudere una paratia sotto la supposta quando e' in cima al cilindro,spostare la supposta sulla catena , riaprire la paratia

aspirare ancora un po' d'aria per compensare il livello del cilindro...

boh non penso sia overunity

[pippo799]

il cilindro in alto e' chiuso..viene aspirata l'aria in modo che salga l'acqua...

bisogna vedere quanta energia spendo per

chuiudere una paratia sotto la supposta quando e' arrivata in cima , spostare la supposta sulla catena , aspirare ancora un po' d'aria per compensare le perdite di livello del cilindro...

[dnarby]

Unfortunately, there is no free lunch here.

Even if you were to seal the tube at the bottom so that the water wouldn't run out so you could extract the float out of the top to repeat the cycle (by then capping the top and opening the bottom), the tube would then have less water in it... The exact amount of water displaced by the float.

A better avenue of research is recombination of atomic hydrogen.

cellthemovie dot blogspot dot com

[Serrpentina]

@Come funziona l'aereo che parte con i serbatoi vuoti e torna con i serbatoi pieni?-

Ad alta quota ci sono venti ad oltre 600 kmh

Se fai salire un aereo tipo aliante che sfrutti i venti come una barca a vela (poppa, bolina, lasco...) con una normale turbina puoi caricare serbatoi di aria compressa, oppure batterie, oppure trasformare acqua in idrogeno

parti con quel tanto che basta per salire in quota, e poi ti metti nelle correnti d'aria facendo girare la turbina a vento

[Serrpentina]

IL MODELLO 1000 PALLE

free-people . org / fotos-photos/1000-palle-chuban­ga . jpg

[optym82]

Wy nie macie tam Fizyki?

Zanim plywak "zjechal" w ukladzie byla energia: masa plywaka x wysokosc + masa wody "zepchnietej" do dolu rury bedacej w miejscu gdzie po "wyplynieciu" znalazl sie plywak x wysokosc.

Po: jedynie masa plywaka x wysokosc (mniejsza od poczatkowej) i energia dostarczona do generatora . E=mgh i wszystko to staje sie strata czasu!!!

[Serrpentina]

Io avevo inventato una turbina ad asino

se Archimede con una leva riusciva ad alzare il mondo, applicando la forza di un asino su una leva si potrebbe svuotare e riempire in pochi minuti il bacino della diga sul fiume Giallo

Quando tutta l'acqua è giù, l'asinello con una leva, la porta su

L'irresistibile ascesa...

ma sarebbe gratis.... e il petrolio invece costa... e in Cina muoiono 5000 persone all'anno nelle miniere di carbone

100-milioni-di-tonnellate.blog­spot . com

[MirekMateju]

Serrpentina: The author of this videos is Chinese. He probably uses a language that is much more different from English than yours but he writes English here. Are you so lazy or stupid that you can't do it too?

[ntuman]

how does the cam and gear thingy work?

[Serrpentina]

Siccome decine di migliaia di persone hanno un motore magnetico e quindi che si tratta di un complotto globale, consigliamo di fare scorte di cibo a lunga scadenza e di non esporsi

Se vanno avanti imperterriti come se nulla fosse, gatta ci cova, abbiamo paura di repressioni, di deportazioni di massa, e oscuramento totale di internet attraverso l'eliminazione con metodi bastardi di chiunque si smascherasse

[princetontutors]

oh nevermind... i get the "water level falling" concept.

[princetontutors]

i have this idea but i dunno if it works... why not we keep the top open and seal the bottom.. to insert the buoy we use a 2 door system to get the buoy in. i would like to know your comments on this

[mikr0f00n]

the problem with a 2 door system is that when you enter the buoy water is removed from the first compartiment. So to keep it going you need to pump this water up again.

A similar problem is a helium balloon tied to a generator. the energy created when going upward is still smaller than the energy needed to fill the balloon. simply because you have to push all the air upwards

[Serrpentina]

E' la stessa cosa di uno dei prototipi del Motore di Schietti, il Mille Palle

[Serrpentina]

It's the same of Schietti's Engine.

[ccederlo]

well.. valient attempt, but in order to have free energy, the machine needs to be able to reset itself and this one isn't there yet.

[KACHALINOO]

very small pipe would suck the water up for free tho! like trees go think green on this shit if you want it work for free

[punkboibrt]

the most useless energy source:)

[refdachef]

great invention. considering the buoyant 'pill' is forever striving to reach the top you could capture the rising mechanical energy to pump up the exact amount of water that is being displaced.

[ceriman]

Um,no. Suppose the volume of the float is 1 liter, it displaces a liter of water weighing 1 Kg. The bouyant force is only 0.4 Kg, not enough to lift the full liter of water needed!

[syncplay]

My goodness... I thought of this same idea when I was a kid but never could have worked out the logistics.

Of course, knowing what I know now, I really am hard pressed to see how this could give "free" engergy. Some displaced water used to float that thing would have to go down, and more energy would have to pump it back up.

[netsic]

HAHA! nice violin... and i will conquest the universe !!!!!!!!!!! see you on ALFA CENTAURI!!!

[OrganicDrew]

professionally I am impressed with what you have accomplished already, all that it seems need be done is the minor engineering feat of extracting the bouy from the chamber and reconnecting it on the chain, I belive this could be accomplished by the use of a hook and drag system , as the bouy reaches the top it floats on its side were a hook drags it off a ramp and lets it fall onto attachment of the chain

[widgetware]

Think Different, but PLEASE think^^!

You only have 2 options here.

1.)Both water systems are seperated, but then you have to put water back into the tube equally to the volume of the floating body.

2.) Both systems are one and the same, with an open tube, but then the constant pressure would allow the water to get on the same level.

look carefully at the pint where he watches the floater go into the tube. first it's empty -> cut -> full.

[michamus]

I don't think it was empty when the "pill" first landed and entered. If you look carefully before the cut you can see proper distortion that would be expected from a cylinder full of a transparent liquid. The trapdoor effect only allows the "pill's" body to break in, thus creating very little water loss. The only scenario I see left to fulfill would be a reattachment mechanism.

[michamus]

Also, as an afterthought. The "pill" does not have to be full of water. I'd imagine it is 1/2 water 1/2 air. This creates maximum buoyancy for the up trip, and weight for the down trip. They would only need 2 or 3 more of these "pills" to have a continuous cycle.

[widgetware]

Sorry but you didn't think deep enough. At the moment the pill goes into the tube, it HAS to DISPLACE water, even with one hundret seperated cambers with trapdors the first one would loose that amount of water, and at the moment, when the pill is taken out on top the water level will fall (the exact amount of the pill's volume). So the only chance to gain energy is to lower the heigh of the tube every round, and then you could simply use a turbine using the water power.

[michamus]

Actually I did think of that. You don't have to have the cylinder completely full, as soon as the pill enters it displaces the water making the water level rise to the top of the cylinder, then the pill is simply stopped by the lid. No water lost. (other than the water on the surface of the pill) I am interested to see their solution on transferring the buoy ... *ahem* I mean "pill", to the chain. This is an interesting solution, but I think we are both agreed there are many problems with it.

[widgetware]

Sorry but u don't get how flotation works. It floats up, because water flows UNDER it, not otherwhise. So the PILL does NOT go UP, the WATER goes DOWN. It is impossible to gain constant energy from it.

[michamus]

ROFL. You make me laugh. You should learn how flotation works. I think that's the funniest thing I have read in awhile.

[widgetware]

Acutally this is a very very shot and abstract version of the Archimedes principle.

Because of gravity the water at the bottom of the pill has a higher density than the one on the top, thus the body will go up, and the water flow under it.

Search for it at wikipedia...

[mikr0f00n]

in fact he's right. the lighter thing goes up, simply because the heavier thing wants to go down (gravity) pushing the lighter thing up. just a balance.

to get energy out of gravity you should turn the direction of the gravityfield (or in other force field) around. However this should require less energy than the energy gained.

[syncplay]

The water wouldn't rise to the top, even not completely full, because you have a door closed up top not letting air in (air pocket or not) keeping it at that level, and the pill still displaces what water is there and sends it out the bottom. If the door up top were opened, the water would all spill out.

[michamus]

Not if there is a trapdoor on the bottom. That would minimize water loss upon the top being opened. This concept has the most critical step missing in that it provides no solution to automated retrieval once the buoy reaches the top of the cylinder.

[syncplay]

The trapdoor on the bottom has to be open when the 'pill' enters the tube, and it is at that very point that a volume of water equal to the pill is forced under and out of the tube. Every time you put that pill through the tube, the water level goes down and you have to use energy to fill it (uphill).

Look up "Buoyancy". Wikipedia has a great article on it.

[michamus]

You need to reread what I said.

[syncplay]

I read what you said. Why don't you think I understood?

If it's about automated retrieval issue, I'd dare say that's the least of this thing's problems...

What else?

[michamus]

The fact that you believe anymore water would be loss than the volume of the buoy. No more water will be lost than that. It will not lose that amount every time, rather just the first time. Also, the buoy would allow it to float with a portion of it above the surface.

[syncplay]

I also find transitional cuts fishy...

I'm not saying anymore water would be lost than the volume of the buoy (door seals are probably fine) but the buoy loss alone drives down efficiency below 100%. Every time the buoy comes out the top (bottom door closed) the level goes down like getting out of a bathtub. That water loss would require way more energy to pump replenish water up to an elevated tank than this thing would give back.

[michamus]

The bottom trap door prevents any water loss upon opening the top door. As for the eventual need for refreshing the amount of water in the cylinder that is simple. You simply have a water drip being supplied from a water tank slightly above the entire facility. The single pump would hardly require much electricity at the few times it is operating.

[michamus]

I do find the film cuts at transitional sections of this process fishy. It would seem in my mind that there is a lot more time and work going on than the film lets on. I would be more convinced if I saw the process in person, or at least an uncut cycle.

[syncplay]

For example, if you did NOT refill every time with volume equal to the buoy, and just shut the top door and opened the bottom, it wouldn't fill back up on it's own - it'd stay the same, reduced level; when you reintroduce buoy, shut bottom door, open top and pull buoy out, it goes down again, same amount.

[syncplay]

This buoy volume loss will happen every time you send it through unless you keep filling it to the top, and I guarantee pumping up that water requires more joules of energy than the system will yield. Filling the buoy with some water is akin to using a smaller buoy.

No free energy here.

[aceshakazu]

why dont you just make the bouy smaller use something like a beer bottle and make the tube bigger.cover the bottle in foam. and use a string line running up around it. when it gets to the top it will create a wave rather then falling straight out the top.i have more ideas if you want.

[Saul0Wall]

In plane language, every time the buoy gets to the top it displaces the water at the top of the tube. By closing off the tube below to stop the water running down and removing the buoy, you leave the water level lower when you close the tube unless you pump up more water. Guess how much energy it takes to reset the water level compared to how much you generate by the chain.

[ltseung888]

Thank you Sau10Wall. You have the best explanation of why this device fails theoretically.

[aceshakazu]

so you had two trap doors going was there really enough energy generated to control them

[aceshakazu]

y not use

[adanieltorres]

@Saul0Wall Do you think this would work if the amount of water lost were near zero, and the chain were to scoop that near zero amount and dump it back at the top, or do you see other areas of failure?

[aceshakazu]

who put this video on. the creator of this. is it perpetual because you just stop the video and rewind to the start and press play or this a billion world saving devise. please show us how it gets out of the top and starts the cycle again

[Jerram89]

energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed from one form to the next. when any two substances rub together, friction is created. Friction causes energy transfer to heat and sound, and (sometimes) light.

[emmetieffe]

Oh my god! Where is the rule of energy conservation? I thought humans ceased to look for the perpetual movement in the XVIII century. Oh God!

[msdnvp]

every single person in this earth should be thankful for tesla to giving you all a better life !

[hyperkinetic]

Oh please! He figured out one stinking little thing. How to keep AC generators from burning up their brushes. BFD. Despite what all you zelots have been mislead to believe, he did NOT invent AC. He *LEARNED* about AC at university before he got tossed out for non-payment and gambling.

[domsau2]

Water up : the volume of weith.

=> No Energy won !

[gubert3]

Wow, wasted time in my life i will never get back

[HairyPotter2006]

hahahahaha...

[hyperkinetic]

Yet another JUNK 'free energy' device. Your time and money are better spent on something that works, like wind or solar.

[airste172]

Actually, a cheap wind-up toy with a spring works better. You can't take the float out of the tube without losing the vacuum that raises the water to that level. You can have baffles or doors that open and close, but it will take more energy to operate them than the flotation or gravity generates. It's funny to watch people trying to think "outside the box" when they have no idea of what goes on "inside the box".

[radiotoobs]

idiot toy

[tesla1961]

ha ha i olmost fal from my seat you gays tolking real good where is Bruce Lee?

[tesla1961]

SORRY THIS GAY IS GREAT

[durian789]

Think guys. The yellow weight sank down and floated up. How can the weight go up?? The water itself?? or the tube, tubing pressure displaces the water or what have u.

[djpunk]

but now, how will you take the float ball to the beguin, on the top of the engine, out side of the vacuum, or the stopper... ??

[cheyyne]

You guys wouldn't know free energy if it fell out of the sky, landed on your ass, and started to wiggle.

[AmigaHeretic]

The yellow bubble thing drops charging a battery or whatever is efficient at holding a charge. When it goes back up, beneath the bubble have something slide under it to seal the tube so the water doesn't fall back down when the top is opened. Now the top is opened & the tube moved back over and hooked to the chain to fall again

So how much energy would that portion above take? Whatever that amount of energy is make the chain and water tube at least that tall or taller to get excess energy.

[hyperkinetic]

Good luck getting that float out of the tube without the water falling down. It takes a LOT of energy to lift a column of water that large, that high. Lots more than is produced by the weight pulling that chain. When are you kooks going to learn? There is NO PERPETUAL MOTION. The only 'free' energy is wind and solar.

[AmigaHeretic]

Agree, it would take massive energy to lift that much water. But if something simple "slid" under the float to preserve the presure (suction or whatever) so the float could be removed and the slid back out of the way. I don't know but I think there is more there than it appears at first glance.

[dawnrun911]

Solar is not "free energy" do you realize how much energy has to be used in order to make a solar panel in the first place? To get any gain from solar you would have to live in an area with high average hours of sunshine. The same can be said for wind energy.A Tesla Turbine has the potential to produce free energy even though input energy is required to operate one the output energy will be higher.

[hyperkinetic]

You're either a shill for big oil, or you fell for their BS. Since you're the expert, why don't you tell us how much energy it takes to make a solar panel?

Yes, solar works in proportion to the ammount of light it receives (duh), but it's still cost effective anywhere in the lower 48. You don't have to live at the equator.

As for wind, it does not require sunshine as you so poorly stated. Wind and solar work, and they work well.

[dawnrun911]

When I said "The same can be said for wind energy" I meant the energy imput to build a wind turbine is high and it would only be viable in areas of high average wind hours. I am not saying wind or solar are not viable period, I am trying to point out the fact that their application is geographic limited and the production energy needed is high. That said, both wind and solar work well and will cancel out their production energy in areas where they are suited.

[hyperkinetic]

You must be a shill then. The energy input to build wind is far LESS than that of nuclear or hydroelectric. Show me the figures used to come to your conclusion? The cost of making a generator, regardless of whether it's run by wind, nuclear, or hydro is the SAME. Wind requires FAR less concrete (big energy hog) than a dam or nuclear plant. So where is this FUD coming from? BTW: It has been estimated that Oklamhoma has enough wind to supply the ENTIRE NATION.

[hyperkinetic]

Both coal and nuclear require fuel, which must be replenished. Both fuels are mined. Mining takes LOTS of energy. Both fuels must be transported, which takes MORE energy. Nuclear fuel has to be refined. More energy.

Once wind is installed, it just works. No fuel. No mining. No emmissions. So how is it that wind requires high energy input to impliment? You should google Hugh Pigot. He's one of your countrymen, and doing good by turning junk into free energy.

[hyperkinetic]

As for the tesla turbine, it sucks for producing energy. Too much loss. To date there are NO commercial Tesla Turbines in use as an energy source. Current turbine tech is much better. Tesla turbines make better pumps and are commonly used in automated food handling.

[frankensteinmoneymac]

And how exactly does a Tesla Turbine do that? All Ive ever seen of the designs of a Tesla Turbine simply show a novel way way to create a turbine...Its cool, and probably pretty efficent....but how in the world can it create output higher than input?

[DancingSpiderman]

What is this, a chinese water torture device? What do the ching-chong-ching-chang letters say? And, what's with the music? Doesn't make a lick-a sense.

[moonshin13]

Didn't even have the floatation device automatically reconnect to the chain drive, kinda lame.