HD5870 Vs HD5970 Killer Quad setups (Crysis Bench)

[eminemssxe]

i get simler numbers

with 6670 hosently

[HEY8461]

WHATS THAT SONG???

[SickneZZ2]

Having 4 cards on your machine is ridiculous, even if it gets like 10% more FPS in games.

First, cables management would be awful, and there would be no extra room for anything else.

Mainly, the heat that it generates would be absurd.

I have a CFX 5970's myself, and have them OC'ed to 880/1240 mhz with great temperatures.

[ravenwda007]

hahaha. And Crysis is still hard to run. Crappy programing on the Cryrtek 2 engine.

[DJSV25]

@nithPS2 not because 5970 only have one crossfirex port -.-

[ZePwner350]

@nithPS2

Because technically an HD5970 is TWO GPU's in one card, so if you have one 5970, you're running 2 GPU's in crossfireX. If you have 2 5970's, you are running 4 GPU's in crossfireX.

[wargasm58]

@ZePwner350 Yes Gpu-Z detects crossfire enabled on my HD5970, eventhough its a 3-way SLI 980a Mobo lol

[MajinBoo321]

@nithPS2 You can't do 4 5970................ Read some specification please.

[ArmadaX2]

can you do 4 5870's vs 4 GTX480's?

[DronkMonkey666]

@nithPS2 ARE YOU IDIOT?

[CaptainCarthex]

Whoa! That's absolutely phenomenal!

[Sm00gle]

4 - 5970's pweez aha

[stevin47]

4 is better with nvidia not ati ati 3 for max performance 3 gpu's on 3 cards or 2 gpu's on card one gpu on the other i recoment the 3 card setup each one gpu for best performance tho because if first card has more memory it works as same as the lower card

[stevin47]

ati drivers work for 3 gpu's are not made to work with 4 gpu's is why its not bottle neck

[stevin47]

the guy talking about wattage useing multicards as add more cards wattage and card reguirements drop useing one card will work 100 percent useage 2 cards may only use 80 percent of each gpu 3 cards less than half had 3 hd 3870 in pc my asus v2 5870 alone wilps those lol

[stevin47]

ati crossfire step very goo d say 40 fps one card should see 55 on second card added add 3rd card see big performance say to 85 fps but when adding forth card performance drops maybe 15 percent is why ati only recomends trifire not quad

[alaskanhybrid]

You know what is sad 4 9800GTX's get the same FPS's for Crysis as these two cards, its not even the graphics cards fault its the CryEngine 2's fault. so this test is pointless.

[DevilGene66]

for my new gaming rig. i was thinking of getting: -

intel core i7 930 with a x58 mobo. maybe a rampage iii extreme with four hd 5970's.

or an amd phenom x6 1090t with an asus crosshair iv formula with 3 hd 5970's (because it cant hold 4!!!).

which setup would you choose??

[DevilGene66]

can i just say. crysis wasnt designed to be used with multi gpu setup. this is probably why these setups performed so badly in these tests.

[tech2kn0w]

i was expecting around 100 fps on both builds... only 60? wow

[AeroFix94]

HD 5870 for the win! :D

[Wurstexperte]

Please repeat this Test with 4 HD5970s

[trubritar]

@Wurstexperte :

Are you for real???

[goakiller900]

@trubritar lol thats overkill and a single 5970 bottlenecks most cpu's

+ the fact that each of those cards drain 300 watt you need atleast a 1500 watt PSU for that and then stil need the money to buy it

[DevilGene66]

@trubritar i hope so, id love to see that!

[TheDCWasteland]

@trubritar i belive so

[000Nagby000]

@trubritar you only need to do a custom cfx bridge with 4 plug^^

[ZePwner350]

@Wurstexperte

The HD5970 is NOT compatible with 4-way crossfirex, only 2-way or single.

[adityaismad]

@Wurstexperte

That is not even possible,for its common knowledge that ATI doesnt support this configuration as it would be an 9way CrossfireX

[gumberly]

@Wurstexperte you can't. 4 5970's is 8 gpu's. 4 is currently the max!

[iphone3gs78]

@Wurstexperte you cant

[MajinBoo321]

@Wurstexperte There is no such thing as 8 gpu setups. One 5970 composes of 2 gpu chips.

[ChangoKong007]

@Wurstexperte

noob 4 hd5970 is not possible dumass

[sokrutu]

@Wurstexperte unmöglich! 2 is maximum!

[diablo7806]

@Wurstexperte Ahem..... 5870 is a single gpu card... 5970 is dual gpu... therefor 2 5970s = 4 gpus >.>

[kaitten123]

@Wurstexperte

You can't use 4 5970 cards that would be 8gpu and you cant do that due to windows restrictions and motherboard restrictions!

[gerardbiteme]

anyone know, would 1 5970 be slower than say two 5870's I'm guessing yeah?

[KwickLockPicker]

shit! they are both really close. the ati 5870 does kill it though

[MrKenneththeboss]

Ultimate setup: intel 980x 3.33 ghz, 4 gtx 480s, evga classified Motherboard,3 30 inch 120 hertz monitor with 3d vision,alienware area 51 alx chassy, dvd drive, blu ray burner drive, 6 300g solid state drives in raid 10, water cooling, 32g of 1600 mhz Ram, and a 1500w Psu. Price: 10000$+

[MrKenneththeboss]

@MrKenneththeboss o and saphire came out with a card that isnt yet sold its the 5970 toxic and it has 4g of memory until ati comes out with a way to use 4 5970s gtx 480s will be the best for now

[needsLITHIUM]

@MrKenneththeboss look on newegg.... the toxic is already out.... and it cost more than a grand.......and the fansink makes a nice case-heater lol. Look, you'll see what i mean.

[MrKenneththeboss]

@needsLITHIUM Haha wow ya i saw thats crazy. When I posted that comment it wasnt on new egg they must have just started selling it but seriously thats such a waste I have to 5970s and there better than a single 5970 toxic for 1,300 dollars 1 5970 is about 60 I think so basically its a scam unless your crossfiring that toxics which would be nuts and wouldnt make sense because it would be ABSOLUTE overkill and would probably make your gameplay all sticky and stuff

[MrKenneththeboss]

@needsLITHIUM And two 5970s are SLIGHTLY better than a toxic its the same case with two 5870s and 1 5970 the 5870s are SLIGHtly better

[perpbanrequests]

@MrKenneththeboss hey what about this mother board Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD9 would it be better or worse?

[perpbanrequests]

@MrKenneththeboss also i think the zalman lq1000 case thing would be better if it fits :D

[TonkatrainHONKHONK]

IMO the 5970 is the winner here. with a quadfire 5970 setup you end up with 4 more slots than 5870 for very little performance loss. That way you have room for physx cards, sound cards, raid cards ect.

[RyanADillon]

@TonkatrainHONKHONK I am thinking of getting 4 5870s and watercooling them so they only take up one slot, that leaves me space for a 260 as PhysX, a soundblaster xfi soundcard and a spare PCI for a TV card. If someone is prepared to spend around £1400 for 4 5870s then they can spend £400 more to watercool them ;)

[TonkatrainHONKHONK]

@RyanADillon Just remember those blocks are probably going to extend a little into the next slot. Be damn sure it will all fit before you spend that kind of money. (I have had problems like this a few times)

[RyanADillon]

@TonkatrainHONKHONK Yeh I will defo enquire through email before I spend any money on the cards or blocks. Another thing I was thinking of is flow restriction, as I run 1/2" ID hosing, pretty sure a one slot card cannot be 1/2" thick. May need 2 pumps to go through 5 cards?

[TonkatrainHONKHONK]

@RyanADillon I must admit i am no watercooling expert. But i believe some of the higher end pumps are build to push lots of blocks rads ect.

[RyanADillon]

@TonkatrainHONKHONK Alright, thanks for pointing about about thickness of blocks though, I did just assume they would be designed to be one slot- could have been one big mistake!

[iron888888]

PLZ send me one of them :)

[naka538]

ROFL!

[26psyside]

Would be really nice to see the same test with your i7 980x don't you think? :)

[mr2177]

I had a 5970 and a 5850 in crossfire and running with an i7 at 4.2 ghz and found that the gpu utilization was only 50-65%, I believe the processor was the bottle neck. benchmarks like heaven always used 99% of all three gpus however.

[xichtyyy2]

lol in crysis warhead was the avg framrate from 4x 5870 100 fps with the ssame settings and in crysis only 66 ! why?

[stillman18]

Because hes using very early drivers, check the postdate for this video. Also Warhead is more optimized than original Crysis.

Ps, he who got 100fps in warhead had also 16xAA not 4 like in this vid, still alot better framerates...

[AznDuD333]

@xichtyyy2

u cant have 4 5870s in 1 comp, only 2 5970(quad xfire)

[minibanger007]

@AznDuD333 You saw the video, your wrong.

[AznDuD333]

@minibanger007 about what?

[simysimy9]

i have 2 xfx5870's and my average fps cranked max is 59.9. Is he doing something wrong to only get 3 more with 2 more cards?

[IceSliper]

is that "Two" ati 5970 VS "Four" ati 5870.

[EduEnYT]

Anyone can buy PCs like these ... if they sell their house before lol

[chopper82p]

@EduEnYT i can build a computer like that for 8,000 dollars

[EduEnYT]

omg... you must have a home nuclear powerplant to feed that thing...

[wdowa94]

Processor can't get it

[WWoodyW]

funny how the lower end 5870 beats out the 5970 when they're both 4way crossfired

[damstr]

Not really considering the 5970 is clock @ 725mhz while the 5870 is clocked @ 850.

[FunnyMcBunny]

First time I've seen Crysis run at 60fps avarage. :)

But you didn't crank the AA to max. :(

(I know that you don't need it, but you should use it when you are benchmarking such powerful cards... ;)

[metalopig]

still a wow!

[q62fm]

I wanna see what would happen to the dos if aa was turned all the way up. no one ever seems to do that, even just for a benchmark :(

[canelaflorin08]

three 5870 vs one 5970?

[brotkohl]

@canelaflorin08 4 5870 vs 2 5970

[bob333336]

If two HD5870's in CF are faster than a single 5970, what do you think? :/

[rollokb2]

This makes perfect senesce

the ati 5870 has 4 pci slots to trfer data

while the ati 5970 has 2,

they have the same power, but the ati 5870, has more bandwitth

[factorxitox]

nah just the 5870 have better core clock

[thvnr]

2 59070's are Cheaper than 4 5870's, and are you really gonna notice a big difference with each setup, not really, the 5970's Avg FPS was off by 3.4FPS thats not bad.

[bun9box]

@rollokb2 No you are wrong. 2 x PCI-E wouldnt bottleneck it. But the 5970 is in fact 2 5870 in ONE card, but they had to tune it down a bit because the maximum watt one PCI-E card can use with 6 + 8-pin is ~300W. So its the powersupply that bottlenecks the 5970

[TonkatrainHONKHONK]

@rollokb2 Remember that they clocked by default the cores are underclocked on the 5970.

[DJRhinofart]

@rollokb2 Actually, I think it was the higher clocks of the 5870s that won the day. He should have ran the tests with both sets of cards on the same clock speed. Apples to Apples so to say.

[adityaismad]

@rollokb2 The PciE bandwidth is not a bottleneck here.If you see the documentation,the 5970 is just two 5870 GPUs with their stock clock speeds actually REDUCED.

[TechnologyR0xx0rz]

@adityaismad He probably meant the bandwidth provided by the PCI-E slot.

[godwar99]

@Fardus1 plus there would be less heat

[56604091992]

false!

[Troothforc]

I'm going to laugh is Crysis 2 runs faster than Crysis 1 and looks better. I know warhead did that.

[auron508]

Crysis 2 is going to be on consoles so obviously it will run smoother because its being dumbed down

[Troothforc]

I don't think the PC version will be dumbed down, I think it will be using a different engine.

[hoon5630]

haha youre dumb

[bob333336]

PC version won't dumbed down, and will support Tessellation, and DX11.

[bob333336]

Tessellation isn't for more FPS are you retarded? How about you look it up before you start talking out of your ass...

[pcpll]

@bob333336 you have reason but you didn't need to curse so much for tessellation, finally its you the old idiot

[bob333336]

No, your just stupid. Google what Tessellation does...

[pcpll]

you should seriously study your life...

[bob333336]

/facepalm

Why is the internet filled with so much stupid... :/

[pcpll]

so if you think that answering a stupid makes you a be intelligent, silly fool, i said you had reason but you still continue aswering me saying non sens, you are mad stfu

[bob333336]

I agree that someone here is mad, but it's not me. See, I'm not mad, not one bit, actually I am enjoying this. Your the one who has the urges to come and comment back and to tell me to shut up. On top of that, If you weren't annoyed by this, wouldn't you technically tell me to keep talking? If someone says something intriguing wouldn't you? So if your telling me to shut up, I can only assume YOU are the one who is mad, correct?

Don't troll the bigger troll you damn troll, good day sir.

[pcpll]

So know you put the blame on me saying that I keep you talking -if I understood-. If we resume since the beginning, I said a non sens, you told me I'm stupid , I told you you was the stupid, you told me I was the stupid, I told you something to finish (no cursing) but after you cursed me once more (?) then I cursed you and finally you, you dickhead tell me that I try to keep that dicsution up ? What type of sick brain do you have !? I clearly say now kill that topic, or think 7 times. FAREWELL

[bob333336]

"I told you you was stupid"

Case in point. :/

[pcpll]

in fact warhead runs worste than crysis the fact is that the maps are far smaller than i crysis 1

so for crysis 2 we can well see the same problem when crysis 1 was out

[ZZchaz]

Average is still in the 60s? Is Crysis just a poorly-optimized POS or what?

[PetesBloodyHand]

Yes Crysis is poorly optimized.

[SgtMustang]

Oh well I cant atm cause im at a different house, I'll be back at that computer next week and I'll respond.

[SgtMustang]

Whats C0 and D0?

[aberkae]

I love the crysis benchmarks the best because it all comes down to how well does it run crysis, untill crysis 2.0 comes out that is.

[mrh112]

LOL i have one 5970 black edition at stock clock settings and i get about 40-50fps! for an extra £600 your ownly gaining 20fps??? i would rather spend the money on getting eyefinity or some new games personally

[Neitzluber]

They're ripping you off if you're paying £600 for the HD 5970. That's about $980 USD.

Here in the US, it only costs $630, or about £385...

[mrh112]

yep thats the united shitgom for you!, one of the many reasons in moving to new zealand next year :) at least there things are ALOT more reasonably priced, i can buy a 5970 over there for only about £300 half what it costs me here

[Neitzluber]

You could also order online...

[mrh112]

lol yep thats what i did, you still need to pay vat, insurance, tax on inporting it, postage ect...

[meticadpa]

The i7 920's stock multiplier is 20, and as far as I know, you can't raise it above that, but you can use lower multipliers.

And also, overclocking a core i7 setup is pretty easy... PM'd, SgtMustang.

[hugonainsquis]

stock multiplier is 20 but you can raise it to 21 =)

[meticadpa]

@hugonainsquis

Hm, I thought that that was the case, but then I checked the 920's specs on the Intel site, and it said 20x was the stock, and I assumed that Intel would use the max multi available...

Stupid Intel! :p

[SgtMustang]

@zalmanuk I dont think there is any option to change my multiplier in the BIOS, IIRC that means its locked

[NoobsAreUsh]

The new ATI cards looks so beautiful *_*

[Donkeyruler08]

still addicted to crysis?..

[aberkae]

yes so am i , and i cant wait to see and play crysis 2.0

[fcmiller09]

You know both of those rigs where AWSOME...i'll take the 5970 if nobody wants it LOL

[thojyout23]

beast.....this guyz rich..or hes endorsed by ati or nvidia or somthin!

[pyromonster99]

has anyone tried to force four 5970's to run?

i know that sounds crazy but just imagine

[Floreum]

It's not possible, ATI cards only allow 4 GPU's in one motherboard. And since the 5970 is two GPU's... You can't add 2 more. Only nVidia allows 4 GPU's but you have to code that yourself through CUDA I think.

[pyromonster99]

@Floreum

well im waiting for someone to code their own drivers and just make it work. because 8 gpu's would be nutz. only problem would be a massive cpu bottle neck.

[bokanovskyprocess]

does any one else find absurd that even after, what, 3 years, video cards can still barely max out this game. smells like shoddy programming to me

[SgtMustang]

@bokanovskyprocess Seems like it, my GTX 295, which I overclocked over 100 mhz faster on the core clock and something like 150 mhz faster on the memory clock can run ANY game, but crysis, which running at 1920x1080 with no AA and at ultra high settings, my comp only manages 20-30 fps.

[pyromonster99]

@SgtMustang you may have a cpu bottle neck, whats your cpu?

[SgtMustang]

@pyromonster99 I think your right, its an i7 920 running at stocks speeds 2.66 ghz

[pyromonster99]

@SgtMustang

i think any i7 should be able to handle a gtx 295

try overclocking some, that should help.

[SgtMustang]

@pyromonster99 I don't really know how to overclock though, it's supposed to be really easy on my Asus P6T deluxe, but other than just pushing the BCLK higher, I dunno anything about voltages and stuff.

[pyromonster99]

@SgtMustang

its not hard, google it.

your prob going to have to raise the voltage on the cpu core, north bridge, and ram. change the multi, and clock.

im pretty sure you can hit around 3 ghz easy with that cpu.

[SgtMustang]

@pyromonster99 IIRC the I7 920 is a locked cpu, so I cant change the multiplier, only on the EXTREME cpus.

[nauls82]

wow almost identical...3 frames difference...and the 5970's clock speeds are set 100mhz slower than the 5870's!

less hardware, less power, less room, most of all less money! We all know who the real winner is....

[SniffelzZ]

amazing that 3 9800gtx on a Q9650 puts out 55 avg fps on 1680x1050 x4 AA settings = high

[Feder147]

i guess the fps difference is due to the fact that the 5970s have lower clocks overall. Hey trub are you going to do a benchmark with both of them clocked at the same speeds?

[mamman93]

wait a minute, I got confused. Are you comparing 1vs1 or 4vs2?

[jancom777]

@mamman93 4vs4

[elwynhmxj]

4 5870 vs 2 5970

5970 is a dual-card.

[jancom777]

@elwynhmxj ... I meant 4 GPUSs vs 4GPUs-

[cal920c]

It's 4 5870 cards vs 2 5970 cards

[joolte]

Run 3dmark06 on both systems.

[hugonainsquis]

btw what is the song used in the begining of the video?

[trubritar]

I had it specially created for the video, It's called "Denied RMA"...

[hugonainsquis]

u're sure its Denied RMA?? because i can't find the song.

[hugonainsquis]

2 of those 5870 would be enough for me lol.

[TonkatrainHONKHONK]

You also get room for sound cards, physx, raid cards ect.

[Palgh]

probably not.

[TonkatrainHONKHONK]

What do you mean probably not?

[Palgh]

well it depends on the board but these are dual slot video cards and there is a chance that your slot would be covered over. but you're right it's obviously ALOT better that having everything covered by four massive cards. you have a fair point.

[Mikeyfly300]

AS TRUB states these can OC very easy now that you can change bios and voltage settings with them

The WC power color 5870 can hit 1 GHZ CORE CLOCK 5100 MM CLOCK

[bob333336]

Lol on stock air I have mine at 1GHz xD

[Mikeyfly300]

Way to go

[bob333336]

On stock cooling, if u just throw the fan up to 100% @ 1Ghz, it wont get past 65c ish.

[Mikeyfly300]

What was your voltages set?

[bob333336]

Um 1350mV, why?

[Mikeyfly300]

I havent really played with mine yet due to 10 hour shifts

and DIRT2 lol

[Mikeyfly300]

Hell you might see the 6000 series By the time FERMI comes out. ATI is skipping there 32 nm and going Straght to 28 nm. 5870 Released in SEPT. Fermi is expected in late March or April. By then Cypress will be 8 months old. ATI Will have Fermi's answer

[TooBAMF]

You honestly think ATI will have 28nm ready for mass production in April when they just recently got their 40nm problems sorted out?

[Mikeyfly300]

no But i bet you see a 1 GHZ clocked card when fermi is released remember ATI has had a huge head start on Nvidia and 2 they went to global Foundries for the wafers this time. They have the 28 nm in its setup and first stages of the process

[Mikeyfly300]

Not ATI's Fault it's TSMC screw up thats why Fermi is way behind and there paying big time for it

[TooBAMF]

Yes it was TSMC's fault, my point was simply that based on the troubles with 40nm, 28nm will probably proceed much slower in order to avoid a similar shortage.

[Mikeyfly300]

Thats why ATI- AMD is HAVING GLOBAL FOUNDRIES to make the wafers 2011 you should see the 28 nm

[TooBAMF]

Again, I understand, but Global Foundries, although not TSMC, will not want to repeat TSMC's mistakes, hence they will be cautious bringing products to the market they cannot deliver in volume. I inferred from your original comment you thought 28nm would be used in the HD6000 series, and thus be the answer to Fermi. Clearly this is not the case, since you have clarified that they were separate points, so I think we are on the same page.

[Mikeyfly300]

you are correct

[Mikeyfly300]

I'm in the process of building the same rig only difference is i'm machining my own custom water block

When done I will send you a pic and video Trub

[pleite567]

4sli gtx285 classiefied does 125frames with 16xq aa/af

[murreboy]

yeah but it have better drivers...

[BenedictC]

not half a bullshitter are we?

[rushnerd]

Also I bet you're just ITCHING to get your hands on Crysis 2 this year. DX11 baby!