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To say they are the same is ignorant. The reason mra's may sound like feminists is because the law system, voting systems and anyform gender studies lean towards feminism theory.
But feminists fall into the trap of refusing to acknowlege any form of misandry exists because of their belief in patriarchy, you can't have equality when you are convinced one gender invisibly rules everyone and has all the power. All it shows is a lack on understanding of the world and gender.
MRA's look for equal rights for men, many oppose feminism because feminist directly fight against that. Fathers rights feminists oppose, violence against men feminists refuse to acknowlege.
Feminists believe in patriarchy(male control). And by doing so absolve any responsiblity for what they do for example: They "fought" for the right to vote and men gave it to them. To them men are too "lazy" to fight for paternity leave (to them men are in control don't need to fight).
Right on, Factory. you are a credit to men everywhere. more guys should stand up and say what you said with the same conviction... to the astonished faces of the garden variaty feniminsta. It can happen, just need to overcome dacedes of brainwashing...
@strontiumXnitrate We all have to struggle with that one way or another. It can be tough trying to shake the lies men are fed...but if we are to survive as a society, then we must learn to do it.
I understand the pay gap is true in terms of Doctors, Lawyers, etc yet when it comes to entry-level full time jobs I know hardly any guys who actually make a proper living wage. All the women I know with full time entry level jobs have a new-ish car and a place of their own, then again the jobs themselves vary. Entry level for guys seems to be stocking shelves, customer service,& other menial tasks for 8$ an hour, yet all the women I know do secretarial jobs (where no men work) and make 15-20$
@ angeltears87- So you are saying that when a woman complains that she is being mistreated by a man it is legitimate but when a man talks about the wrongdoings of the female perusasion it is a childish ranting? Hmm sounds like someone has a double standard. As a man, I have no problems with a woman having the same rights as I do but when you disguise wanting more than your fair share of rights and impeding on mine as wanting equal rights, I have a legitimate problem with you.
All you bitches who get angry at men like this guy who are ranting, just remember a lot of this is a reaction from getting fucked over in divorce court.
@angeltears87 Perhaps you could define 'hypocrisy' properly befoe you start. it is not "acting like" anything, for example, it is preaching one thing and practicing another.
Go ahead and show me where I lack integrity. I'll wait.
As I stated before in your video, if you replaced "feminism" with the term "MRA" it would apply equally. You criticise a group of people for doing the exact things the group of people you are in do. That fits my definition of hypocrisy and yours...
Also your instant hostility to the expression of disagreement is kind of childish to be honest.
Thanks for giving men words to counter female supremacy.
It is a little unfair to blame women that balk at the suggestion of Men's Rights because men are also unprepared to think about that as well. Most of my friends do not have the vocabulary to think that American women are not the most oppressed in the world. So, give it some time and enlightenment, though you are certainly a force in the re-balancing of sexual politics.
@factory2590 Thank you! I work very hard.I claim to be a feminist,but a different kind of feminist.A feminist that does believe in equal rights for both GENDERS.No one is superior over the other.We all have our weak points and we all have our strong points.
@ashatbulaparanormal Women have shown, as a group, repeatedly, that they have zero interest in equality. They are FAR more interested in special entitlements JUSTIFIED by using the term.
I have yet, in over 15 years of doing this, to have met one single person who self-describes as 'Feminist' that was ANY different from Andrea Dworkin once you scratch the surface.
At best, I've met Feminists who think we've gone 'far enough', but not ONE that believes men inherently deserve equality.
@factory2590 So, while I applaud your willingness to begin to separate from that Hate group, I contend it is not up to me to give people like you the benefit of the doubt.
It is time for Feminists to live up to their own rhetoric. Their continual, ongoing failure to do so is the greatest indictment of the ideology I can imagine, and it has nothing at all to do with guys like me.
I really, TRULY am looking forward to the day when Feminists are rooted out of Public Institutions.
@factory2590 Your words:"I think they should live up to their own expectations. "
What kind of exceptions should woman live up too.This statement then does make any sense, when you say this: "I really, TRULY am looking forward to the day when Feminists are rooted out of Public Institutions."
I totally believe its not the feminist doing all of this,but the anti feminist. Anti-feminist don't want to left a finger to do anything, but look at men as a personal bank.Once that personal bank ~cont~
@ashatbulaparanormal I think you are doing your level best to avoid culpability in a world you KNOW has been stacked against men, deliberately.
I think you want to save the label 'Feminist', and hope to do so by using the traditional Feminist tactic of trying to 'rewrite history' (ie, lie until people believe it).
Feminism, from it's very inception, set out to accomplish EXACTLY what it has. Read some early Feminist literature, then tell me Feminism has 'changed'. Same shit, different pack.
@factory2590 No,I'm looking at it at both ends.You only look at it at the Feminist end or at the male views.Try looking at the anti-feminist views.I've dealt with these kinds of people and don't like their ways either.
@ashatbulaparanormal The truly hilarious thing is, we 'misogynist' MRAs have been trying to warn women these days were coming. We tried to get you guys to be rational, to take men into account, to try not to blame men for everything...
Rather than listen, you guys just kept plugging along.
Now, some of you are seeing the things we've been warning you about, and you're getting a bit apprehensive.
Does the fact women chased away those who want to help you scare you even more?
@ashatbulaparanormal When you're trying to explain problems looking for a solution BEFORE those problems blow over into violence (or suchlike), that's 'being helpful'.
Women in general seem to be looking around more and more, wondering what happened to society, why everyone is less happy, there's more crime, prison populations are skyrocketing, etc...
We've been telling them several reasons for these things happening.
Women have thus far ignored us, but we're proven right everyday...
Not a chance. This is done for society as a whole. Failing that, it's done for men as a group. Women, as a group, have been so over-represented and given so much power that women's groups usually ARE the problem.
@factory2590 does not make enough for them,then they find another man that does.Or use the kids to bleed the man dry. I suggest you start looking at your anti-feminist group,cause their not all what their cracked up to be.I find them to be what I like to call "Gold diggers" and they hate feminist cause they claim their taking good jobs away from their man and that ruining her cash flow.
It is true. Masculinity is demonized, and my personal belief is that lack of masculinity is what causes most social problems. Favoritism of girls in the shcools, feminization of teaching and education, fatherlessness, gov taking care of every choice women make, whilst men are jailed, constant excuses for evil female behavior, etc. We need more masc., not less. My two cents and I am a woman...gasp.
@da1073 Are you making the mistake of thinking that just because I hold women to the same standards as men, that I don't like them? Or that I'm shocked when they agree?
I do a magazine of sorts... Well over half of the contributing authors are women. In fact, some of the most passionate and eloquent activists in the movement are women.
Women have much more of a place here, than men do in Feminism...
@factory2590 Not at all, I dont think you hate women, and in fact, I am a strong men's rights supporter who just subscribed to your channel. the "gasp" comment was directed toward fems, in particular one on this thread by the name of sophia something or other who assumed I was a man. Fems always think anyone who criticizes feminism or supports mens rights is a guy, lol. Better for us that they dont get they are being rejected in large numbers by women. Hope that clears it up. Thanks!
@da1073 actually, her name is sohipimhot I think. She is a real piece of work. I actually enjoy debating feminists, and women who claim they dont like to see unfair treatment, but the more you talk to 'em, you realize they will support feminism and the politians who promote it cuz they like the gov benefits gauranteed to females. tsk, tsk.
Much reference to feminism...associated with marxism etc. Women are like this anyway. Look at any women's magazine,see the trash for yourself.
The best thing about putting oneself in the spotlight is the exposure this entails. This has finally given us the opportunity to see women for what they really are. . They are interested only in themselves. Men make art based on nobility of spirit and creativity and conversely how obvious it is why so little has come from women-who needs them?
Modern "goddess and radical" feminism, which is separate from equality feminism, it nothing more than an evil, false religious matriarchal religious cult akin to witchcraft (not the gaia type), that teaches women that they're goddesses come to earth and that men are here to serve them, that they're superior in every way. It's a dark side religions that is using women's sheer stupidity, need for validation and support to hook them into this "girl power" crap and destroy male/female relationships!
Feminism tosses men out of the workplace with frivolous sexual harassment polices and discriminatory affirmative action. Thrown in jail for false claims of domestic abuse and false rape allegations and thrown out of home with a bias court system. Men's sexuality is demonized with objectification theory and the male privilege/powerless victimizedprostitute perspective
Then you have the 1000 pseudo scientific studies used to eradicate men from power where male power is bad and female power isgood
a female using less muscle mass as an excuse not to take a physical job is pretty lame. I've seen women bodybuilders with much bigger muscles than ANY average man and have the endurance. Do those females really think that men already had all the muscle they needed to do those physical jobs? The truth is men don't have all the muscles to start out with, it is something they work up to. Women CAN do it too but don't because they don't want to
Even when God's people were being led to the promised land and were in the woods, it says that the women became as strong as the men. I know it's possible.
For the most part and all through history, men are different than women, and made different, so equality in every single thing seems like they're asking for something impossible.
it's OK for men to have testosterone- we were born with it
@factory2590 No problem. First, though, would you please send me a personal message and let me know what an MRA is? I'm not familiar with the term and have never heard it before reading the comments on your videos.
In all statistics on negative aspects affecting an individual, there is a problem when comparing between genders. That problem is the death of men bias making fairly untroubled surviving men be the group of men with which women is compared, not all men. For example Women tend to have various social support making it possible for them to survive longer on a seemingly low level of income or without a house. The man do not get any help and dies. Comparing survivors give wrong impression.
The problem is that we men bring it upon ourselves. We let it happen. We forget that we make up half the voting population.
Traditionally women have voted on social issues (including women's rights) and the politicians pander to them. Men need to start doing the same, voting on men's rights. This would force politicians to stop pandering to the feminazis.
We've basically had self-sacrifice instilled in us since birth, we've all been taught that we should defer to, and try to please, women wherever possible.
We are constantly told that our needs take a backseat to nearly any woman's desires.
That's a lot of deprogramming that has to happen before men will stand up for themselves, and "against women" (read: Feminism).
Sometimes, men's equality is going to end female privilege. I guess they'll have to learn how to deal with it, just like men did
By justifying the need for a certain gender's power you openly admit that MRA is fueled by sexism. Let me ask you, how do you define male power? Because there are many forms of power which both genders can obtain.
I want to bring across one specific argument. Result doesn't equal cause. The result is a society which is dominated by men. The cause is an abuse of male power. Surely you know that every form of power can be abused. Please analyze deeper before you say women go against male power
There are qualitative and quantitative factors. For the quantitative ones to be understood correctly you need to take the qualitative influences into account.
Example: women have less often higher paid jobs which is clearly measurable in numbers, so this is quantitative.
Women have less often higher paid jobs because of prejudices, social responsibilities which are attributed to women, male protectionism and male networks. These factors are qualitative because not measurable in numbers.
That's a myth debunked long ago. There is no evidence of systemic discrimination against women, according to several government studies, CONSAD in the US, and the EEC in the UK both found any difference in income was due to women staying home....a choice men do not have available to them.
"was due to women staying home....a choice men do not have available to them"
Why can't men have that choice? That is simply not true.
I tired to explain that the choice of women staying at home is one of the factors which works against a career (social responsibilities which are attributed to women). That is in the same category like "men chose to do dangerous jobs" Those choices are supported by the traditional gender roles. Those are more restrictive for women.
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true story: at work. three guys were talking about a colleague. One mentioned that he will have a paternity leave. The other two giggled. Just that. Only giggled. But behind that giggle was a few thousand years of rigid, restrictive and firm belief that a woman's responsibilities are wasted on a man's capabilities.
And of course if women earn less in their inferior jobs it is only logical that men will keep that job while women give up theirs and stay at home.
Men are losing jobs at an incredible rate, women predominate in the only industries growing, boys are being failed miserably by the feminised education system....and you have a water cooler story.
Yeah, you're right, it must be a male dominated world...
After all, you can't seem to understand any other kind...
Give me an analogy for a symptom. I didn't understand where you were going with this.
My arguments are not circular since it is widely accepted by most intellectual minds that women have more disadvantages than men in most societies around the world. which of course doesn't take away the right for a men's movement. Because there are injustices, but...
i'm just having a problem with your logic. The world is ruled by men and you complain about women being the cause. I still don't get it.
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so the world isn't ruled by men...hmm
How many major corporations have women at the top? How many nations have a female head of state. Even at normal jobs, how many female bosses are there? At the universities how many female rectors have you seen during your study? The supreme court has how many women?( 2 of 9) In the churches,how many female priests do you see?
Come on open your eyes.How can you deny these truths? I am sexist for observing that the mentioned positions are mainly in male hand?
Look down, and tell me how many MORE men are there. How many women?
You ignore everything but results in your "analysis" (meaning no thought to conditions leading to results - ie, maybe there's more successful men because there's infinitely more pressure on men to be successful).
When you can start to see the men in social positions below your own, you'll notice there's a LOT more of them than women that are...regardless of your current social position.
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" men in social positions below your own, you'll notice there's a LOT more of them than women."
How do you define "below"?
I define below by hourly pay rate. And we have already established that women earn less because they have jobs which are less paid. You are contradicting yourself. Your house of cards is quite fragile here.
Using income as a measure totally ignores all the housewives and stay home girlfriends out there, and that's just one of the glaring holes in your "logic".
Are you saying that if you are depending on the income of someone else you are being worth mentioned, in a society which measures productivity in working hour output and financial remuneration?
Our economy doesn't rely on stay-at-home parents although their services are crucial and without them everything would fall apart.
I would love to see a compensation for the years a person spends on raising a child but this is Utopia.
Are you saying that the wife of a rich man counts for nothing in society because she doesn't have a job? Seriously, you have to have heard of a few spouses of the rich who became so themselves purely through marriage, right? Heather Mills? Ivana Trump?
Sure, K Fed might apply, but he's DEFINITELY in the tiniest of minorities.
Women gain status PRIMARILY through marriage historically, and even now. Women almost never "marry down", men do it all the time.
My point, to get back to it, is that you never see feminists clamoring for equal numbers of Sanitation workers, for example. They look only "up", to those with high status, and enviously demand "equality"(privilege for women to attain "parity of outcome", and screw the hard working men denied the position)...
You declare men "advantaged" because you don't even NOTICE all the men digging the ditches, and mining the coal, etc. Then have the nuts to complain when the secretary is paid less...
when women gain 30 % more muscle mass we'll talk again about this. They are not being hired because they are not as strong as men. The few women who are don't stand a chance against the male competition because of prejudices.
I don't complain that the secretary is paid less. I complain that women are pushed by society into these jobs just like men are pushed into theirs.
Don't argue that women are being discriminated against as a reason why they're not equally occupying those jobs, while simultaneously arguing Feminism seeks to eliminate discrimination.
It makes one wonder why they haven't focused on these areas more....unless you, or they, are full of shit.
You point at powerful men and say men are powerful...you "prove" all men are powerful by not even SEEING the multitudes of very UNpowerful men.
You can't look "down" in social standing and still care.
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Poverty is female. You just don't see it because they don't end up in the street. But the majority of women who end up as single mother don't have the support of a well earning alimony payer. They are juggling part time job, kids and other social responsibilities (old parents) and they are exhausted and burned out.
"It makes one wonder why they haven't focused on these areas more" Okay listen, I'm getting tired of explaining to you how this works. Look up: gender stereotypes and prejudices
Poverty is NOT female, poverty advocacy is. No one cares about the men, they only care about the women who are poor, which is why you never hear anything about the 80% male homeless population, you hear about the single mother who "only" gets $2000 /month from the government to live on
I'm tired of your appalling blindness to men's issues, and your incessant refusal to see men as anything other than privileged.
Keep posting if you like, but I have had more than enough of your wilful ignorance.
It's also noteworthy that many women simply don't want jobs that require great physical strength, a forceful personality, etc.
Even with a multitude of laws in place making it possible for women to go into any job they want, the majority of women still gravitate toward the more traditionally female jobs, the same as most men gravitate toward traditionally male jobs.
i wish we had more men who could talk like this i felt every emotion and they where complex at that if my p.m could talk like this and make me feel like this i'd fight for him in 2 sec but am not fight for a child that use words like toys this is what make men follow and not blindly ethier i see truth and want it so bad i would fight makes me sad that there 's no such thing as a man or hero's anymore only left with dad and sam hughes this guy would be a king if honesty and truth were held dear
Males powerless? One thing the loonies, feminazis, and liberal pricks need to understand is that men are ambitious people who will not tolerate the fall of patriarchy. Don't worry though feminism will be countered in the coming months. Something I've learned is that American women do not know what they want because of obvious stupidity they have sometimes.
One thing women do not understand is you can not control men. Men are the most ambitous living creatures on earth we will not be oppressed.
1) Either men stand together to point out what is wrong with society or
2) A new generation of hatefilled young men lashing out violenty in this feminized society.
3) Suicide
Did i mention men are 80% of all suicides? yeah women have it worse then men that's why where i live (Aus NT) a male is 8x more likely to commit suicide.
And by the way, its not my fault that I was born as a female so please stop blaming me for being one. And its a stereotype that females are supposed to be docile and "know our place" in life.
I don't blame Women for anything. I blame Feminists. If you are a feminist, then I blame you. If you are not, then you are taking offense at something that doesn't exist.
I just thought that you hated any woman that could stand up for what she believes in... But if you don't than disregard my comments. You do sound like you truly hate women though.
This is a truly thoughtless response. Equating a dislike or disdain for FEMINISM, with hatred of women is just plain silly and weak minded. If you do not understand the difference between a woman and a feminist, then I would strongly suggest you do your homework before opening your mouth.
this may just be me, but i just dislike women or men that think their better than the other for any given reason, just let it go and i think we would all be better off for it.
Um, because I have disagreed with Factory here on several issues, I have been called a "man hater" along with many other hateful names. That shit goes both ways.
Not all feminists are collectively trying to oppress men. I believe in equality between the sexes, but there are some issues that are still lacking, e.g., equal pay. Instead of attacking the feminist movement, why don't you just create your own movement rather than trying to counteract the feminist one? Your actions would then seem NOBLE rather than oppressive against women. Unless of course you still believe in the "patriarch": that men are the head of the household, I Tarzan, you Jane.
Your reply is so ignorant and you completely missed the point of the post. You're not willing to listen to anyone's opinions and it's clear that all you're trying to do is rally a hate group. To all the men out there who think they're trying to prove something by joining this group, I digress, the leader is an ignoramus! Create a group that might actually stands for something rather than trying to attack another group. Good luck, indoctrinated men.
as a woman who works my ass off, I have to admit, the pay gap is due to the fact that while women do work as hard as men, they do not take the risky assignments men do. How many women are truck drivers? Prison Guards? Coal Miners? THESE are the male-dominated fields in which offer higher pay as an incentive, b/c these are the jobs MOST people DON't want to do. Women prefer comfortable safe jobs and bc people compete for these jobs, there is less pay
Ragdoll is just exercising her gender specific right to powerless wailing. This video rocks! I am sick and tired myself of women who play the "It's not me" card when it comes to misandry and corrupted feminism. They support it with their silence: a crime of omission so they can perpetuate sickness and plead ignorance to it simultaneously. Keep rocking their deluded little worlds, Factory!.
I never said I was a fem nazi. I said that I was a woman that was positively effected by the origional female suffragettes and that true feminism died a long time ago so its not feminist your dealing with. Its wolves in sheep's clothing (AKA Crazies that call themselves feminists!)
Be that as it may, there is no reason for me to sidestep around that when I say Feminists do their level best to undermine men at every turn, refuse to allow for male victims of anything (with a mixture of sexual and political disgust), and generally refuse to believe men (ESPECIALLY white men) are the victims of socially sanctioned injustice and ...to use the vernacular...oppressed. There is ample evidence of bias, and feminism shrugs and says it not their fault.
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Way to go. Dismiss whatever you don't agree with. Feminism's original purpose was so people wouldn't dismiss women's opinions simply for coming from women. Since you're not celebrating women's suffrage, I don't see why you expect women to save men from misandry. It's not their business. They don't have to fight against feminism on our behalf. They don't have to help us any more than I have to help the starving orphan children.
The purpose is not for women to save men from misandry, but for human beings to collectively address injustice, and that for sure won't, can't happen until the hateful agenda of feminism has been countered by men and women alike.
Keep you head in the sand all you want. feminism is an agenda rooted in hate and elitism.
That's like saying "i don't see why you expect men to save women from rape" Seeings as women are the main perpetrators of misandry it isn't about saving rescue it's about stopping their OWN behaviour.
I know both men and women rape but when it comes to women it's 99% more likely a hetrosexual rape will occur.
"saving" men from misandry is as easy as two steps.
I don't believe I would save a woman from rape, unless there was little risk to my safety and I thought I would succeed.
Why should they stop? They're gaining power and momentum. They could have the world soon, why should we expect them to let that go for us? The only reason misandry bothers me is I'm male. If I was female I'd be glad the world was changing to favor me.
No matter what, someone will be screwed. It's up to everyone to make sure it's someone else.
I guess if i were a women would i really do the honorable thing? When it benifits me? this has given me something to ponder about.
This is why women who stand up to feminism are rare diamonds.
When society changes to benifit women unreasonably it's easy to do nothing or stand by and let it happen to stand up and say it's wrong when it benifits you, Is a noble thing to do. Something i'm not sure i could even do. Great respect for kassiedill2 and blandinthebasement
You woman haters just don't get the point. I'm not a femnazi, okay? And true feminism served its purpose in the 20's when it was needed and died. Its crazy unhappy psychopaths who dug it back up in the 60's and warped it into something different than it was originally. I for one, don't wish to go back to the olden days where my future was essentially decided for me by men just because I was a female. Would you?
I guess the bottom line is, you make good points, but try to to be so extreme and definite about them. In the process of debating, learning, and exploring, you're going to see some stuff you don't like and hear some stuff you don't want to hear. But don't attack it blindly, I think "feminists are just innocent misunderstood people that did nothing wrong to men" is extreme, but "feminists are evil cults that just want all men to be slaves" is also very extreme.
I'm not BLINDLY doing anything. I have several years of reasoning, ample anecdotal and delineated evidence, life experience, rhetoric, and "public awareness" campaigns to go by.
I also have the BLATANT double standards in my view, along with the hordes of feminists defending those double standards as some kind of "reparations" for perceived past slights (aka Patriarchy Theory(tm)).
Feminism is CLEARLY responsible for most of the injustices men face today. But you disagree. I get it.
I'm not going to argue with you in experience, you clearly have more experience in this and life in general. But I still don't see how feminism is CLEARLY responsible for most of the injustices.
Like I said, feminism is an ideology to me, and it's been guiding me to stand up for myself, be strong, and try my best my whole life. Strength isn't just about beating people up. Self control requires more strength than anything. I don't think the idea of feminism is bad at all.
Now I don't know too much about those crazy feminists you're talking about. But I'm not denying what they did didn't do anything, I'm sure it acted as a good aid and catalyst for this whole trend leading to what's happening now. But it's not the source of the problem, and I honestly don't think the goal of feminism is to destroy all the men's rights. They got a lot of rights of women, and made that look good, so people are continuing the trend, but that sometimes hurts men.
Of course you don't think feminism hurts men. You are not affected by what is happening, or you're too chivalrous to admit it...even to yourself.
Feminism IS the source of the problem. If you disagree, I would be more than happy to watch a vid of yours outlining the issues men face and how feminism is NOT responsible....IF you can actually show causation from some other source.
Chances are good though that your argument would amount to "did not!".
I don't think there's causation, it's always been there. Men are always expected to take on the tough jobs and support, especially financially, the family. The women were expected to support the family by taking care of it internally. Now women are free from the expectation, but men are not free from their expectation. Women can switch back to a traditional damsel in distress mode or a modern strong-willed, smart and organized mode to suit their needs, while men are stuck with one role only.
Now disagreeing on what feminism doesn't mean that we deny everything bad that happened to men. Now my personal (note PERSONAL) view is that feminism didn't cause any of the men's problems today, but they've been there for many years, but since a lot of women issues are taken care of by the feminists, while ignoring the men's issues, that opened opportunity for a lot of exploitation of the law and other things. Having modern expectations for a women and traditional expectations of men.
You're right, I probably don't know a lot of what men are facing. But that's because I don't know anyone that has those problems. The only place where I hear it is from the internet. I haven't heard any child support issues, or adoption issues, or anything. But my experience is just as real as yours, you claim it's a big problem based on your experience, I can say that it's not based on mine. But I'm not ignorant, it's definitely and issue and I just haven't seen it yet.
You DO misunderstand. Masculinity IS a disorder. So is femininity. Masculinity and femininity are not the state of being male or female, they are fictions forced on us through a training process that begins in childhood. When masculinity and femininity are gone, we will be left with humanity. Then we will be free.
That's bullshit. You give a baby girl two toys...a phone, and say, a toy truck...she will almost always choose the phone. Boys will choose the truck. That's not "forced" anything. Women and men ARE different, and it's not due to "forced" fictions.
I think i have a fairly simple solution to thiswhole parenting issue. When a woman becomes pregnant the father should have a choice to either be a part of the childs life or not, including financially. It should be put in writing so there's no confusion, then the woman can make her choice which would be a lot easier after knowing the father's intentions.
The way we deal with it now just doesn't make any sense. What kind of partnership starts with only one party having all the rights and choices? What kind of partnership doesn't have anything in writing? I think it would benefit everyone involved to change this. Most men would choose to support their children and it would be in writing so it would protect women in that way. It would also protect the men who are not ready to be fathers or wallets.
I agree with you acadiantunes. Its the best solution so far for this complex situation. I grants both parties an equal say in reproductivity while protecting their rights. The current way is complete nonsense.
"the father should have a choice to either be a part of the childs life or not, including financially...then the woman can make her choice which would be a lot easier after knowing the father's intentions"
Just out of curiosity do you think mothers should be given the choice to opt the father of the child out of the childs life? Or is that only for people to decide for themselves? Maybe a woman could opt herself out too, have the baby and give it to the father???
Well women are opting fathers out of the children's lives already in way too many cases but that wasn't what i was talking about. I was saying that fathers should have a choice "before" the child is born so the mom could make the 'appropriate' decision. That means that the father couldn't financially opt out after he made the decision to support the child [ this protects the mom ]
I worked with enough fathers to know that money [child support ] is the root of 90% of the problems with custody cases. What did we advocate for ? Shared parenting 50-50 with no child support if the father is willing to keep the kids 50% of the time. The fathers who are not willing to do this get stuck with paying child support to the mom [ could work both ways ] and the moms who are not willing to do this get no support , and if she denies court access to the father she should be punished .
if she denies court access to the father she should be punished
I so agree with this, slamming the door or going on that "suprise holiday" for a week, to me no only shows complete lack of respect for the other parent but also denial of the kids right to see their parent who they are knowingly waiting for during week.
If your 5 year old is waiting for mom or daddy weekend and you slam the door on that visiting parent, its one of the worst things you can do to them along with PAS control.
"Maybe a woman could opt herself out too, have the baby and give it to the father???"
They can do this via adoption anyway. Why are you acting like this doesn't happen? Only difference is that the father has to fight with the adoptive parents for custody rather than recieve full custody of the child himself. She still opts out scott free but in a way neglects the child their real father. continued...
Anyway it would be a good idea at least the father has an option to keep the child for himself rather than lose it to a bunch of strangers (adoptive parents) who he may have to pay childsupport to, to me thats no different from people kidnapping my child and making me pay them childsupport to visit him,her.
Yes fathers should be given an option to have sole custody, responsibility of the child as a sole provider if the mother wants nothing to do with the baby.
"Just out of curiosity do you think mothers should be given the choice to opt the father of the child out of the childs life?"
Only if the father agrees to do so.
Unlike todays custodial system the father can be made to opt out by the mother and the massive legal system behind her and still pay.
Kinda like social sevices taking your kids away from you saying you're an unfit parent and then charging you maximum CSA for them for 18years. Only custodial parents agree to stuff like that.
Kinda back to square one here where the mother can have an abortion against his wishes. Then the father has no say whatsoever, just like he has today.
Anywy, I just cant imagine the 'opt out' scenario being played out when unplanned pregnancy occurrs within the context of a relationship. Its a happy occasion for most people, it is not felt with indifference.
"Kinda back to square one here where the mother can have an abortion against his wishes. Then the father has no say whatsoever, just like he has today."
ROFL you are really confused. Case in point ONLY if the father agrees to do so if he doesnt she cant opt him out duh, its no different to female only abortion where the man can still ask the woman to abort.
If a woman opts out the father he has a choice to keep the child or give it up for adoption. Its not back to square one. lol
Tell me one reason why any sane woman who finds herself pregnant and realises she doesnt want to have a child with her partner would consider anything other than having an abortion.
Wouldnt you imagine her motivation would be that she doesnt want to have a child with that particular person moreso than not wanting to have the child at all.
Doesn't matter about the motives the fact of the matter is that the law allows it.
"Wouldnt you imagine her motivation would be that she doesnt want to have a child with that particular person moreso than not wanting to have the child at all. "
Thats not her decision to make, the child has a right to see its father and mother.
Are you saying that if a father steals a kid from the mother and outs it up for adoption, its acceptable? Why would it be acceptable if the reverse were true?
"Wouldnt you imagine her motivation would be that she doesnt want to have a child with that particular person moreso than not wanting to have the child at all. "
It absoultely is her right and her choice to make. No one can force her to go through with that pregnancy, not even the apparent seduction of child maintenence is enough for most women. Most people dont want to wind up tied to their ex's. But when children are involved they will be tiedfor life, like it or not, through that child.
"It absoultely is her right and her choice to make. No one can force her to go through with that pregnancy"
Blah blah I wasnt talking about pregnacy i was talking about denying the right of the father to know his child.
It isnt her right to deny the father his right to see his child.
As for pregnacy he should have a right to opt out in the pregnacy. No woman has the right to make a man go though HER pregnacy anymore than he has to force her to.
"Blah blah I wasnt talking about pregnacy i was talking about denying the right of the father to know his child."
Of which we both agree upon; fathers are just as important as mothers in a childs life. We agree that this seemingly automatic allocation of residency with the mother, after divorce is wrong, and that men should be alowed to see their children whenever they want.
I'm just still trying to get my head around 'opting out' and trying to figure if it is ethical or not.
"I'm just still trying to get my head around 'opting out' and trying to figure if it is ethical or not. "
Its can about as ethical as an abortion.
However It gives the chance for a child to be in a family that wants them, if it survives unlike abortion.
It gives women the opportunity to raise a kid on her terms.
It protects the mans individual rights, it gives him control of his fatherhood. If he has the option to opt out he can use it to opt in with fair planned parenting.
"Actually, yes, it is her right to deny her childs father access, but no, it shouldn't be anyones right, least of all the courts."
No its not. What a load of crap. Its not her right to deny the father access to his child anymore than he has the right to deny her access to her child. What a load of feminist crap.
You sit here whining about the ethics of opting out but thats not really your problem your problem its that "women" wont be able to opt out the father anymore. Well tough shit.
"But when children are involved they will be tiedfor life, like it or not, through that child."
Wrong again people can adopt a child and not be tied. And women can opt out regardless of their ex's wishes via adoption. Why do you persist on making false statements.
And those who dont adopt? Are they tied or not? ( moving on from adoption to the issue you raise: woman who choose to be single mothers.)
I mean, correct me if i'm wrong but I thought part of your whole hoof with women's rights was that women can tie men to them just by getting pregnant, that they can, what was your words, "physically imprison him into 18 years of servitude to a child he doesnt want to have"?
"Are you saying that if a father steals a kid from the mother and outs it up for adoption, its acceptable? Why would it be acceptable if the reverse were true?"
Of course neither are acceptable which is why I'd like to see the law changed so that BOTH biological parents have to sign a child over for adoption. That would be equality & in my mind is common sense. I was actually shocked to find only the biological mother's signature and permission were needed.
Tell me one reason why any sane woman who finds herself pregnant and realises she doesnt want to have a child with her partner would consider anything other than having an abortion.
They may have found a new partner.
Want to be a single mother by choice.
Radical Feminist.(not sane ofc)
Dislikes the father believes its their right to opt them out.
Cheated on a husband and got pregant dont want to lose him so commits paternity fraud. Denys real father the child.
Utter the phrase "female chauvanism" in mixed company and you're guaranteed one second of silence
pleasecho2 2 months ago 2
Brilliant!
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@SterlngSilvr
To say they are the same is ignorant. The reason mra's may sound like feminists is because the law system, voting systems and anyform gender studies lean towards feminism theory.
But feminists fall into the trap of refusing to acknowlege any form of misandry exists because of their belief in patriarchy, you can't have equality when you are convinced one gender invisibly rules everyone and has all the power. All it shows is a lack on understanding of the world and gender.
stupidfeminazifoolz 4 months ago
@SterlngSilvr
MRA's look for equal rights for men, many oppose feminism because feminist directly fight against that. Fathers rights feminists oppose, violence against men feminists refuse to acknowlege.
Feminists believe in patriarchy(male control). And by doing so absolve any responsiblity for what they do for example: They "fought" for the right to vote and men gave it to them. To them men are too "lazy" to fight for paternity leave (to them men are in control don't need to fight).
stupidfeminazifoolz 4 months ago
Right on, Factory. you are a credit to men everywhere. more guys should stand up and say what you said with the same conviction... to the astonished faces of the garden variaty feniminsta. It can happen, just need to overcome dacedes of brainwashing...
strontiumXnitrate 5 months ago
@strontiumXnitrate We all have to struggle with that one way or another. It can be tough trying to shake the lies men are fed...but if we are to survive as a society, then we must learn to do it.
factory2590 5 months ago
I understand the pay gap is true in terms of Doctors, Lawyers, etc yet when it comes to entry-level full time jobs I know hardly any guys who actually make a proper living wage. All the women I know with full time entry level jobs have a new-ish car and a place of their own, then again the jobs themselves vary. Entry level for guys seems to be stocking shelves, customer service,& other menial tasks for 8$ an hour, yet all the women I know do secretarial jobs (where no men work) and make 15-20$
nightmathzombieethan 6 months ago
Hahaha, this guy is a walking, talking caricature of "Men's rights" advocates.
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@jchaberdash
That is my take on it too :)
angeltears87 7 months ago
@ angeltears87- So you are saying that when a woman complains that she is being mistreated by a man it is legitimate but when a man talks about the wrongdoings of the female perusasion it is a childish ranting? Hmm sounds like someone has a double standard. As a man, I have no problems with a woman having the same rights as I do but when you disguise wanting more than your fair share of rights and impeding on mine as wanting equal rights, I have a legitimate problem with you.
TheShieldfaith 10 months ago
All you bitches who get angry at men like this guy who are ranting, just remember a lot of this is a reaction from getting fucked over in divorce court.
Antiks72 1 year ago
If you replace your assertions about "men" with "women" and "feminism" with "MRA". Both are the same...
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 I love how you feminists threaten to compare us to you...er, unfavorably..
Like it's scary or something...
factory2590 1 year ago 3
@factory2590
I am not a feminist.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Yeah...ok...whatever.
factory2590 1 year ago 4
@factory2590
Either way it is irrelevant to my point.
MRA criticise feminists for the same things they themselves do. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy and undermines your political position.
Maybe you can respond without bringing up completely irrelevant things this time?
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 Perhaps you could define 'hypocrisy' properly befoe you start. it is not "acting like" anything, for example, it is preaching one thing and practicing another.
Go ahead and show me where I lack integrity. I'll wait.
factory2590 1 year ago 6
@factory2590
As I stated before in your video, if you replaced "feminism" with the term "MRA" it would apply equally. You criticise a group of people for doing the exact things the group of people you are in do. That fits my definition of hypocrisy and yours...
Also your instant hostility to the expression of disagreement is kind of childish to be honest.
angeltears87 1 year ago
lets not leave out that without the help of the corruption of the govt they would not be where they are and things would not be how they are
kevwayne007 1 year ago
@kevwayne007 Exactly. Feminism by itself was a pathetically ineffectual movement...
factory2590 1 year ago
Thanks for giving men words to counter female supremacy.
It is a little unfair to blame women that balk at the suggestion of Men's Rights because men are also unprepared to think about that as well. Most of my friends do not have the vocabulary to think that American women are not the most oppressed in the world. So, give it some time and enlightenment, though you are certainly a force in the re-balancing of sexual politics.
feministsAreCorrupt 1 year ago
@factory2590 I'm just wondering, what do you think women should be?
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@ashatbulaparanormal I think they should live up to their own expectations.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Thank you! I work very hard.I claim to be a feminist,but a different kind of feminist.A feminist that does believe in equal rights for both GENDERS.No one is superior over the other.We all have our weak points and we all have our strong points.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@ashatbulaparanormal Women have shown, as a group, repeatedly, that they have zero interest in equality. They are FAR more interested in special entitlements JUSTIFIED by using the term.
I have yet, in over 15 years of doing this, to have met one single person who self-describes as 'Feminist' that was ANY different from Andrea Dworkin once you scratch the surface.
At best, I've met Feminists who think we've gone 'far enough', but not ONE that believes men inherently deserve equality.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 So, while I applaud your willingness to begin to separate from that Hate group, I contend it is not up to me to give people like you the benefit of the doubt.
It is time for Feminists to live up to their own rhetoric. Their continual, ongoing failure to do so is the greatest indictment of the ideology I can imagine, and it has nothing at all to do with guys like me.
I really, TRULY am looking forward to the day when Feminists are rooted out of Public Institutions.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Your words:"I think they should live up to their own expectations. "
What kind of exceptions should woman live up too.This statement then does make any sense, when you say this: "I really, TRULY am looking forward to the day when Feminists are rooted out of Public Institutions."
I totally believe its not the feminist doing all of this,but the anti feminist. Anti-feminist don't want to left a finger to do anything, but look at men as a personal bank.Once that personal bank ~cont~
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@ashatbulaparanormal I think you are doing your level best to avoid culpability in a world you KNOW has been stacked against men, deliberately.
I think you want to save the label 'Feminist', and hope to do so by using the traditional Feminist tactic of trying to 'rewrite history' (ie, lie until people believe it).
Feminism, from it's very inception, set out to accomplish EXACTLY what it has. Read some early Feminist literature, then tell me Feminism has 'changed'. Same shit, different pack.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 No,I'm looking at it at both ends.You only look at it at the Feminist end or at the male views.Try looking at the anti-feminist views.I've dealt with these kinds of people and don't like their ways either.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@ashatbulaparanormal You should probably get a better handle on what I know and don't then...
Your definition of AntiFeminist is nothing like mine apparently, for instance.
If you mean 'traditionalists', then yes I agree. But then, you're really talking about the same thing there.
Feminism IS Chivalry, just like 'traditional' people. They only differ on the means to extract the resources.
I personally aim to see women TRULY cut off from privelege in all walks of life, including marital.
factory2590 1 year ago
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ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@factory2590 I totally agree! Women need to get out of the work force and back in the kitchen where they belong!
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
@ashatbulaparanormal The truly hilarious thing is, we 'misogynist' MRAs have been trying to warn women these days were coming. We tried to get you guys to be rational, to take men into account, to try not to blame men for everything...
Rather than listen, you guys just kept plugging along.
Now, some of you are seeing the things we've been warning you about, and you're getting a bit apprehensive.
Does the fact women chased away those who want to help you scare you even more?
It should.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590"YW:Does the fact women chased away those who want to help you scare you even more? "
Help me? How is anti-feminist helping me?
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@factory2590 How is MRA or misogynist helping me? please explain.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@ashatbulaparanormal When you're trying to explain problems looking for a solution BEFORE those problems blow over into violence (or suchlike), that's 'being helpful'.
Women in general seem to be looking around more and more, wondering what happened to society, why everyone is less happy, there's more crime, prison populations are skyrocketing, etc...
We've been telling them several reasons for these things happening.
Women have thus far ignored us, but we're proven right everyday...
factory2590 1 year ago 3
@ashatbulaparanormal But is this done 'for women'?
Not a chance. This is done for society as a whole. Failing that, it's done for men as a group. Women, as a group, have been so over-represented and given so much power that women's groups usually ARE the problem.
It's time someone else got to speak...
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 does not make enough for them,then they find another man that does.Or use the kids to bleed the man dry. I suggest you start looking at your anti-feminist group,cause their not all what their cracked up to be.I find them to be what I like to call "Gold diggers" and they hate feminist cause they claim their taking good jobs away from their man and that ruining her cash flow.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 year ago
@factory2590 Dude! what is wrong with you?
"I think they should live up to their own expectations.
factory2590 1 month ago"
Women shouldn't have any expectations other then cleaning,cooking for us men and taking care of our kids.
I thought you was on our side.
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
@billthemisogynist wow feminists are creating spies to make the movment look bad you sound just as irrational as a feminist.
CpsLock3 1 year ago
@CpsLock3 Nope, sorry 100% real man.
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
@billthemisogynist Well if that is the case i have a joke for you what do you do when you hit a feminist with your pickup truck.
CpsLock3 1 year ago
@CpsLock3 I keep going and don't stop.no great loss.
billthemisogynist 1 year ago
@billthemisogynist No it's shift into reverse and accelerate hard :D.
CpsLock3 1 year ago
It is true. Masculinity is demonized, and my personal belief is that lack of masculinity is what causes most social problems. Favoritism of girls in the shcools, feminization of teaching and education, fatherlessness, gov taking care of every choice women make, whilst men are jailed, constant excuses for evil female behavior, etc. We need more masc., not less. My two cents and I am a woman...gasp.
da1073 1 year ago
@da1073 Are you making the mistake of thinking that just because I hold women to the same standards as men, that I don't like them? Or that I'm shocked when they agree?
I do a magazine of sorts... Well over half of the contributing authors are women. In fact, some of the most passionate and eloquent activists in the movement are women.
Women have much more of a place here, than men do in Feminism...
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Not at all, I dont think you hate women, and in fact, I am a strong men's rights supporter who just subscribed to your channel. the "gasp" comment was directed toward fems, in particular one on this thread by the name of sophia something or other who assumed I was a man. Fems always think anyone who criticizes feminism or supports mens rights is a guy, lol. Better for us that they dont get they are being rejected in large numbers by women. Hope that clears it up. Thanks!
da1073 1 year ago
@da1073 actually, her name is sohipimhot I think. She is a real piece of work. I actually enjoy debating feminists, and women who claim they dont like to see unfair treatment, but the more you talk to 'em, you realize they will support feminism and the politians who promote it cuz they like the gov benefits gauranteed to females. tsk, tsk.
da1073 1 year ago
@da1073 Scary as it may seem, scratch a little deeper and you will see that they truly, very much really DO hate men. Viscerally.
There are several who post to these threads regularly. I keep them around for proof, in fact....
Glad to have you around though. The more the merrier.
factory2590 1 year ago
Much reference to feminism...associated with marxism etc. Women are like this anyway. Look at any women's magazine,see the trash for yourself.
The best thing about putting oneself in the spotlight is the exposure this entails. This has finally given us the opportunity to see women for what they really are. . They are interested only in themselves. Men make art based on nobility of spirit and creativity and conversely how obvious it is why so little has come from women-who needs them?
DAVIDFREDERICKROY 1 year ago
I fucking hate feminism
LordXenocide 1 year ago
@LordXenocide You, and most of the rest of the world, my friend...
factory2590 1 year ago
@LordXenocide You and me and many others too.
daboys1215 1 year ago
@LordXenocide Me too.
da1073 1 year ago
Modern "goddess and radical" feminism, which is separate from equality feminism, it nothing more than an evil, false religious matriarchal religious cult akin to witchcraft (not the gaia type), that teaches women that they're goddesses come to earth and that men are here to serve them, that they're superior in every way. It's a dark side religions that is using women's sheer stupidity, need for validation and support to hook them into this "girl power" crap and destroy male/female relationships!
JediMasterRich 1 year ago
@JediMasterRich The only distinguishing feature between the various forms of Feminism is the tone of the rhetoric employed.
that's it.
factory2590 1 year ago
Feminism tosses men out of the workplace with frivolous sexual harassment polices and discriminatory affirmative action. Thrown in jail for false claims of domestic abuse and false rape allegations and thrown out of home with a bias court system. Men's sexuality is demonized with objectification theory and the male privilege/powerless victimizedprostitute perspective
Then you have the 1000 pseudo scientific studies used to eradicate men from power where male power is bad and female power isgood
Markohoppis 1 year ago
Thank you Factory!
Red0660 1 year ago
great video & conversation between you & jtb78fx
a female using less muscle mass as an excuse not to take a physical job is pretty lame. I've seen women bodybuilders with much bigger muscles than ANY average man and have the endurance. Do those females really think that men already had all the muscle they needed to do those physical jobs? The truth is men don't have all the muscles to start out with, it is something they work up to. Women CAN do it too but don't because they don't want to
MrAubery 1 year ago
Even when God's people were being led to the promised land and were in the woods, it says that the women became as strong as the men. I know it's possible.
For the most part and all through history, men are different than women, and made different, so equality in every single thing seems like they're asking for something impossible.
it's OK for men to have testosterone- we were born with it
MrAubery 1 year ago
Posted to MND. Great rant.
TheHappyMisogynist 1 year ago
Wow. I wish I'd found your videos much sooner.
lordvin9 2 years ago
Well, I'd appreciate it if you'd spread the word....
And thanks, by the way.
factory2590 2 years ago
@factory2590 No problem. First, though, would you please send me a personal message and let me know what an MRA is? I'm not familiar with the term and have never heard it before reading the comments on your videos.
lordvin9 2 years ago
In all statistics on negative aspects affecting an individual, there is a problem when comparing between genders. That problem is the death of men bias making fairly untroubled surviving men be the group of men with which women is compared, not all men. For example Women tend to have various social support making it possible for them to survive longer on a seemingly low level of income or without a house. The man do not get any help and dies. Comparing survivors give wrong impression.
Smackbox 2 years ago
Excellent. Very clear and to the point.
TatutKhem 2 years ago
vid is so true
PipeManChuck 2 years ago
Brilliant Video.
The problem is that we men bring it upon ourselves. We let it happen. We forget that we make up half the voting population.
Traditionally women have voted on social issues (including women's rights) and the politicians pander to them. Men need to start doing the same, voting on men's rights. This would force politicians to stop pandering to the feminazis.
StinkyKnobcheese 2 years ago 3
We've basically had self-sacrifice instilled in us since birth, we've all been taught that we should defer to, and try to please, women wherever possible.
We are constantly told that our needs take a backseat to nearly any woman's desires.
That's a lot of deprogramming that has to happen before men will stand up for themselves, and "against women" (read: Feminism).
Sometimes, men's equality is going to end female privilege. I guess they'll have to learn how to deal with it, just like men did
factory2590 2 years ago
By justifying the need for a certain gender's power you openly admit that MRA is fueled by sexism. Let me ask you, how do you define male power? Because there are many forms of power which both genders can obtain.
I want to bring across one specific argument. Result doesn't equal cause. The result is a society which is dominated by men. The cause is an abuse of male power. Surely you know that every form of power can be abused. Please analyze deeper before you say women go against male power
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Wow, you really drank the kool aid huh?
OK, where's MY direct benefit from "Teh Patriarchy"? Show me how I, or people like me, benefit in a concrete, measurable manner..
Your arguments are circular, which is normal for a feminist, but asserting this is a man's world repeatedly does not make it so.
Result may not equal cause, but symptoms sure point to the cause...ask any doctor, or mechanic.
factory2590 2 years ago
There are qualitative and quantitative factors. For the quantitative ones to be understood correctly you need to take the qualitative influences into account.
Example: women have less often higher paid jobs which is clearly measurable in numbers, so this is quantitative.
Women have less often higher paid jobs because of prejudices, social responsibilities which are attributed to women, male protectionism and male networks. These factors are qualitative because not measurable in numbers.
jtb78fx 2 years ago
That's a myth debunked long ago. There is no evidence of systemic discrimination against women, according to several government studies, CONSAD in the US, and the EEC in the UK both found any difference in income was due to women staying home....a choice men do not have available to them.
Per hour, young women make MORE than young men.
factory2590 2 years ago
"was due to women staying home....a choice men do not have available to them"
Why can't men have that choice? That is simply not true.
I tired to explain that the choice of women staying at home is one of the factors which works against a career (social responsibilities which are attributed to women). That is in the same category like "men chose to do dangerous jobs" Those choices are supported by the traditional gender roles. Those are more restrictive for women.
jtb78fx 2 years ago
"Why can't men have that choice?"
I dunno, ask all the women who lose respect for their husbands if they do this. Ask all the women who resent supporting their man.
There's lots of articles being written on the subject these days, so it shouldn't be hard.
Everything you've listed is a direct result of women's expectations of men...not men's expectations of each other.
factory2590 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
true story: at work. three guys were talking about a colleague. One mentioned that he will have a paternity leave. The other two giggled. Just that. Only giggled. But behind that giggle was a few thousand years of rigid, restrictive and firm belief that a woman's responsibilities are wasted on a man's capabilities.
And of course if women earn less in their inferior jobs it is only logical that men will keep that job while women give up theirs and stay at home.
Feminism wants to change that!
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Men are losing jobs at an incredible rate, women predominate in the only industries growing, boys are being failed miserably by the feminised education system....and you have a water cooler story.
Yeah, you're right, it must be a male dominated world...
After all, you can't seem to understand any other kind...
factory2590 2 years ago
Give me an analogy for a symptom. I didn't understand where you were going with this.
My arguments are not circular since it is widely accepted by most intellectual minds that women have more disadvantages than men in most societies around the world. which of course doesn't take away the right for a men's movement. Because there are injustices, but...
i'm just having a problem with your logic. The world is ruled by men and you complain about women being the cause. I still don't get it.
jtb78fx 2 years ago
That's because you can't let go of the sexist, unfounded belief that men "rule the world" and therefore put women down (and other men).
That's Patriarchy Theory, and as we all know, that "theory" is utter bullshit.
If you let go of the notion that men as a gender are advantaged in any way, then you'll understand.
And if you can't let go of that sexist notion, then you'll never be convinced of anything, and are wasting my time.
factory2590 2 years ago
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so the world isn't ruled by men...hmm
How many major corporations have women at the top? How many nations have a female head of state. Even at normal jobs, how many female bosses are there? At the universities how many female rectors have you seen during your study? The supreme court has how many women?( 2 of 9) In the churches,how many female priests do you see?
Come on open your eyes.How can you deny these truths? I am sexist for observing that the mentioned positions are mainly in male hand?
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Look down, and tell me how many MORE men are there. How many women?
You ignore everything but results in your "analysis" (meaning no thought to conditions leading to results - ie, maybe there's more successful men because there's infinitely more pressure on men to be successful).
When you can start to see the men in social positions below your own, you'll notice there's a LOT more of them than women that are...regardless of your current social position.
THOSE are the men I'm helping.
factory2590 2 years ago
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" men in social positions below your own, you'll notice there's a LOT more of them than women."
How do you define "below"?
I define below by hourly pay rate. And we have already established that women earn less because they have jobs which are less paid. You are contradicting yourself. Your house of cards is quite fragile here.
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Using income as a measure totally ignores all the housewives and stay home girlfriends out there, and that's just one of the glaring holes in your "logic".
factory2590 2 years ago
Are you saying that if you are depending on the income of someone else you are being worth mentioned, in a society which measures productivity in working hour output and financial remuneration?
Our economy doesn't rely on stay-at-home parents although their services are crucial and without them everything would fall apart.
I would love to see a compensation for the years a person spends on raising a child but this is Utopia.
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Are you saying that the wife of a rich man counts for nothing in society because she doesn't have a job? Seriously, you have to have heard of a few spouses of the rich who became so themselves purely through marriage, right? Heather Mills? Ivana Trump?
Sure, K Fed might apply, but he's DEFINITELY in the tiniest of minorities.
Women gain status PRIMARILY through marriage historically, and even now. Women almost never "marry down", men do it all the time.
Much as you hate that, of course...
factory2590 2 years ago
My point, to get back to it, is that you never see feminists clamoring for equal numbers of Sanitation workers, for example. They look only "up", to those with high status, and enviously demand "equality"(privilege for women to attain "parity of outcome", and screw the hard working men denied the position)...
You declare men "advantaged" because you don't even NOTICE all the men digging the ditches, and mining the coal, etc. Then have the nuts to complain when the secretary is paid less...
factory2590 2 years ago
when women gain 30 % more muscle mass we'll talk again about this. They are not being hired because they are not as strong as men. The few women who are don't stand a chance against the male competition because of prejudices.
I don't complain that the secretary is paid less. I complain that women are pushed by society into these jobs just like men are pushed into theirs.
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Don't argue that women are being discriminated against as a reason why they're not equally occupying those jobs, while simultaneously arguing Feminism seeks to eliminate discrimination.
It makes one wonder why they haven't focused on these areas more....unless you, or they, are full of shit.
You point at powerful men and say men are powerful...you "prove" all men are powerful by not even SEEING the multitudes of very UNpowerful men.
You can't look "down" in social standing and still care.
factory2590 2 years ago
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Poverty is female. You just don't see it because they don't end up in the street. But the majority of women who end up as single mother don't have the support of a well earning alimony payer. They are juggling part time job, kids and other social responsibilities (old parents) and they are exhausted and burned out.
"It makes one wonder why they haven't focused on these areas more" Okay listen, I'm getting tired of explaining to you how this works. Look up: gender stereotypes and prejudices
jtb78fx 2 years ago
Poverty is NOT female, poverty advocacy is. No one cares about the men, they only care about the women who are poor, which is why you never hear anything about the 80% male homeless population, you hear about the single mother who "only" gets $2000 /month from the government to live on
I'm tired of your appalling blindness to men's issues, and your incessant refusal to see men as anything other than privileged.
Keep posting if you like, but I have had more than enough of your wilful ignorance.
factory2590 2 years ago
jtb
women are becoming single mothers at an alarming rate ever since the rise and widespread acceptance of feminism
not to mention the system of paying women welfare checks to have kids on their own
women are now more employed than men in the U.S. so how is poverty female?
wolfhalen 2 years ago 21
@wolfhalen Gee, I wonder who is getting all those women pregnant?
rainbowbrainhead 6 months ago
@jtb78fx
It's also noteworthy that many women simply don't want jobs that require great physical strength, a forceful personality, etc.
Even with a multitude of laws in place making it possible for women to go into any job they want, the majority of women still gravitate toward the more traditionally female jobs, the same as most men gravitate toward traditionally male jobs.
lordvin9 2 years ago 3
i wish we had more men who could talk like this i felt every emotion and they where complex at that if my p.m could talk like this and make me feel like this i'd fight for him in 2 sec but am not fight for a child that use words like toys this is what make men follow and not blindly ethier i see truth and want it so bad i would fight makes me sad that there 's no such thing as a man or hero's anymore only left with dad and sam hughes this guy would be a king if honesty and truth were held dear
mrsuperterd 2 years ago
Males powerless? One thing the loonies, feminazis, and liberal pricks need to understand is that men are ambitious people who will not tolerate the fall of patriarchy. Don't worry though feminism will be countered in the coming months. Something I've learned is that American women do not know what they want because of obvious stupidity they have sometimes.
MrDaruis 2 years ago 7
One thing women do not understand is you can not control men. Men are the most ambitous living creatures on earth we will not be oppressed.
1) Either men stand together to point out what is wrong with society or
2) A new generation of hatefilled young men lashing out violenty in this feminized society.
3) Suicide
Did i mention men are 80% of all suicides? yeah women have it worse then men that's why where i live (Aus NT) a male is 8x more likely to commit suicide.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago 3
You Go Factory, thanks for fighting the good fight. Keep em coming. Thank you!
Blackmax2112 2 years ago 3
And by the way, its not my fault that I was born as a female so please stop blaming me for being one. And its a stereotype that females are supposed to be docile and "know our place" in life.
Ragdollwasteland333 2 years ago
I don't blame Women for anything. I blame Feminists. If you are a feminist, then I blame you. If you are not, then you are taking offense at something that doesn't exist.
It's that simple.
factory2590 2 years ago
I just thought that you hated any woman that could stand up for what she believes in... But if you don't than disregard my comments. You do sound like you truly hate women though.
Ragdollwasteland333 2 years ago
The only people who elieve that are the same people who believe that being anti-feminist is the same as anti-woman.
That's not my problem, that's the problem of the person getting it wrong.
factory2590 2 years ago
This is a truly thoughtless response. Equating a dislike or disdain for FEMINISM, with hatred of women is just plain silly and weak minded. If you do not understand the difference between a woman and a feminist, then I would strongly suggest you do your homework before opening your mouth.
princelydeeds 2 years ago 4
this may just be me, but i just dislike women or men that think their better than the other for any given reason, just let it go and i think we would all be better off for it.
inconsistanttruth 2 years ago
Um, because I have disagreed with Factory here on several issues, I have been called a "man hater" along with many other hateful names. That shit goes both ways.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago
It would be great if women admit BOTH sexes are at fault, but 99 percent of the time, males are the reason the world is screwed up....
daig1sun 2 years ago
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Not all feminists are collectively trying to oppress men. I believe in equality between the sexes, but there are some issues that are still lacking, e.g., equal pay. Instead of attacking the feminist movement, why don't you just create your own movement rather than trying to counteract the feminist one? Your actions would then seem NOBLE rather than oppressive against women. Unless of course you still believe in the "patriarch": that men are the head of the household, I Tarzan, you Jane.
Nishie900 2 years ago
Yes, all feminists are collectively trying to oppress men.
You're just not paying attention....
Big surprise...
Or, you could cling to man hate...that's always safe.....
factory2590 2 years ago
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Your reply is so ignorant and you completely missed the point of the post. You're not willing to listen to anyone's opinions and it's clear that all you're trying to do is rally a hate group. To all the men out there who think they're trying to prove something by joining this group, I digress, the leader is an ignoramus! Create a group that might actually stands for something rather than trying to attack another group. Good luck, indoctrinated men.
Nishie900 2 years ago
Good luck continuing to try to shame and embarass men into doing your bidding.
Esther Vilar had your kind pegged quite well.
Feminists have earned the reputation they have, and men aren't stupid, we see what people like you are reacting like.
You'll get the same consideration from us...
factory2590 2 years ago
it's funny how often the "I Tarzan, you Jane" crowd turns into a "fuck me Tarzan" and "give me your money" fest...
factory2590 2 years ago
as a woman who works my ass off, I have to admit, the pay gap is due to the fact that while women do work as hard as men, they do not take the risky assignments men do. How many women are truck drivers? Prison Guards? Coal Miners? THESE are the male-dominated fields in which offer higher pay as an incentive, b/c these are the jobs MOST people DON't want to do. Women prefer comfortable safe jobs and bc people compete for these jobs, there is less pay
ihateneveen 2 years ago 8
"Women prefer comfortable safe jobs and bc people compete for these jobs, there is less pay "
You'll be pleased to know that both the US government (CONSAD report), and the UK government, are well aware of these facts.
They'll continue to lie, of course, but you're right, and that's a proven fact...
factory2590 2 years ago
@ihateneveen well said
crh2010 6 months ago
Ragdoll is just exercising her gender specific right to powerless wailing. This video rocks! I am sick and tired myself of women who play the "It's not me" card when it comes to misandry and corrupted feminism. They support it with their silence: a crime of omission so they can perpetuate sickness and plead ignorance to it simultaneously. Keep rocking their deluded little worlds, Factory!.
TheHappyMisogynist 2 years ago 5
I never said I was a fem nazi. I said that I was a woman that was positively effected by the origional female suffragettes and that true feminism died a long time ago so its not feminist your dealing with. Its wolves in sheep's clothing (AKA Crazies that call themselves feminists!)
Ragdollwasteland333 2 years ago
Be that as it may, there is no reason for me to sidestep around that when I say Feminists do their level best to undermine men at every turn, refuse to allow for male victims of anything (with a mixture of sexual and political disgust), and generally refuse to believe men (ESPECIALLY white men) are the victims of socially sanctioned injustice and ...to use the vernacular...oppressed. There is ample evidence of bias, and feminism shrugs and says it not their fault.
Well, it is.
And we know it.
factory2590 2 years ago
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Way to go. Dismiss whatever you don't agree with. Feminism's original purpose was so people wouldn't dismiss women's opinions simply for coming from women. Since you're not celebrating women's suffrage, I don't see why you expect women to save men from misandry. It's not their business. They don't have to fight against feminism on our behalf. They don't have to help us any more than I have to help the starving orphan children.
qwexas 2 years ago
The purpose is not for women to save men from misandry, but for human beings to collectively address injustice, and that for sure won't, can't happen until the hateful agenda of feminism has been countered by men and women alike.
Keep you head in the sand all you want. feminism is an agenda rooted in hate and elitism.
TheHappyMisogynist 2 years ago 20
Lol, Missed it by a long shot.
That's like saying "i don't see why you expect men to save women from rape" Seeings as women are the main perpetrators of misandry it isn't about saving rescue it's about stopping their OWN behaviour.
I know both men and women rape but when it comes to women it's 99% more likely a hetrosexual rape will occur.
"saving" men from misandry is as easy as two steps.
1) Change your own behaviour
2) Change other womens behaviour
thecreepyguy 2 years ago 3
I don't believe I would save a woman from rape, unless there was little risk to my safety and I thought I would succeed.
Why should they stop? They're gaining power and momentum. They could have the world soon, why should we expect them to let that go for us? The only reason misandry bothers me is I'm male. If I was female I'd be glad the world was changing to favor me.
No matter what, someone will be screwed. It's up to everyone to make sure it's someone else.
qwexas 2 years ago
I guess if i were a women would i really do the honorable thing? When it benifits me? this has given me something to ponder about.
This is why women who stand up to feminism are rare diamonds.
When society changes to benifit women unreasonably it's easy to do nothing or stand by and let it happen to stand up and say it's wrong when it benifits you, Is a noble thing to do. Something i'm not sure i could even do. Great respect for kassiedill2 and blandinthebasement
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
As powerless as woman were in the 50's I suppose?
Ragdollwasteland333 2 years ago
Women have NEVER been as powerless as men are right now.
Just how you like it I suppose?
factory2590 2 years ago
You woman haters just don't get the point. I'm not a femnazi, okay? And true feminism served its purpose in the 20's when it was needed and died. Its crazy unhappy psychopaths who dug it back up in the 60's and warped it into something different than it was originally. I for one, don't wish to go back to the olden days where my future was essentially decided for me by men just because I was a female. Would you?
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Ragdollwasteland333 2 years ago
I guess the bottom line is, you make good points, but try to to be so extreme and definite about them. In the process of debating, learning, and exploring, you're going to see some stuff you don't like and hear some stuff you don't want to hear. But don't attack it blindly, I think "feminists are just innocent misunderstood people that did nothing wrong to men" is extreme, but "feminists are evil cults that just want all men to be slaves" is also very extreme.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
I'm not BLINDLY doing anything. I have several years of reasoning, ample anecdotal and delineated evidence, life experience, rhetoric, and "public awareness" campaigns to go by.
I also have the BLATANT double standards in my view, along with the hordes of feminists defending those double standards as some kind of "reparations" for perceived past slights (aka Patriarchy Theory(tm)).
Feminism is CLEARLY responsible for most of the injustices men face today. But you disagree. I get it.
factory2590 2 years ago
I'm not going to argue with you in experience, you clearly have more experience in this and life in general. But I still don't see how feminism is CLEARLY responsible for most of the injustices.
Like I said, feminism is an ideology to me, and it's been guiding me to stand up for myself, be strong, and try my best my whole life. Strength isn't just about beating people up. Self control requires more strength than anything. I don't think the idea of feminism is bad at all.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
Now I don't know too much about those crazy feminists you're talking about. But I'm not denying what they did didn't do anything, I'm sure it acted as a good aid and catalyst for this whole trend leading to what's happening now. But it's not the source of the problem, and I honestly don't think the goal of feminism is to destroy all the men's rights. They got a lot of rights of women, and made that look good, so people are continuing the trend, but that sometimes hurts men.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
Of course you don't think feminism hurts men. You are not affected by what is happening, or you're too chivalrous to admit it...even to yourself.
Feminism IS the source of the problem. If you disagree, I would be more than happy to watch a vid of yours outlining the issues men face and how feminism is NOT responsible....IF you can actually show causation from some other source.
Chances are good though that your argument would amount to "did not!".
factory2590 2 years ago
I don't think there's causation, it's always been there. Men are always expected to take on the tough jobs and support, especially financially, the family. The women were expected to support the family by taking care of it internally. Now women are free from the expectation, but men are not free from their expectation. Women can switch back to a traditional damsel in distress mode or a modern strong-willed, smart and organized mode to suit their needs, while men are stuck with one role only.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
well said!!
acadiantunes 2 years ago
Now disagreeing on what feminism doesn't mean that we deny everything bad that happened to men. Now my personal (note PERSONAL) view is that feminism didn't cause any of the men's problems today, but they've been there for many years, but since a lot of women issues are taken care of by the feminists, while ignoring the men's issues, that opened opportunity for a lot of exploitation of the law and other things. Having modern expectations for a women and traditional expectations of men.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
Then I would say that you, personally, haven't got the slightest idea what faces men in society today.
If you're a feminist, that's also hardly surprising...
factory2590 2 years ago
You're right, I probably don't know a lot of what men are facing. But that's because I don't know anyone that has those problems. The only place where I hear it is from the internet. I haven't heard any child support issues, or adoption issues, or anything. But my experience is just as real as yours, you claim it's a big problem based on your experience, I can say that it's not based on mine. But I'm not ignorant, it's definitely and issue and I just haven't seen it yet.
FlameltaSK0 2 years ago
You DO misunderstand. Masculinity IS a disorder. So is femininity. Masculinity and femininity are not the state of being male or female, they are fictions forced on us through a training process that begins in childhood. When masculinity and femininity are gone, we will be left with humanity. Then we will be free.
ioploki 2 years ago
Wow, that must be good Kool Aid.
factory2590 2 years ago
That's bullshit. You give a baby girl two toys...a phone, and say, a toy truck...she will almost always choose the phone. Boys will choose the truck. That's not "forced" anything. Women and men ARE different, and it's not due to "forced" fictions.
PurrfectlyCute 2 years ago 2
I think i have a fairly simple solution to thiswhole parenting issue. When a woman becomes pregnant the father should have a choice to either be a part of the childs life or not, including financially. It should be put in writing so there's no confusion, then the woman can make her choice which would be a lot easier after knowing the father's intentions.
acadiantunes 2 years ago 5
The way we deal with it now just doesn't make any sense. What kind of partnership starts with only one party having all the rights and choices? What kind of partnership doesn't have anything in writing? I think it would benefit everyone involved to change this. Most men would choose to support their children and it would be in writing so it would protect women in that way. It would also protect the men who are not ready to be fathers or wallets.
acadiantunes 2 years ago 3
I agree with you acadiantunes. Its the best solution so far for this complex situation. I grants both parties an equal say in reproductivity while protecting their rights. The current way is complete nonsense.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"the father should have a choice to either be a part of the childs life or not, including financially...then the woman can make her choice which would be a lot easier after knowing the father's intentions"
Just out of curiosity do you think mothers should be given the choice to opt the father of the child out of the childs life? Or is that only for people to decide for themselves? Maybe a woman could opt herself out too, have the baby and give it to the father???
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Well women are opting fathers out of the children's lives already in way too many cases but that wasn't what i was talking about. I was saying that fathers should have a choice "before" the child is born so the mom could make the 'appropriate' decision. That means that the father couldn't financially opt out after he made the decision to support the child [ this protects the mom ]
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acadiantunes 2 years ago
I worked with enough fathers to know that money [child support ] is the root of 90% of the problems with custody cases. What did we advocate for ? Shared parenting 50-50 with no child support if the father is willing to keep the kids 50% of the time. The fathers who are not willing to do this get stuck with paying child support to the mom [ could work both ways ] and the moms who are not willing to do this get no support , and if she denies court access to the father she should be punished .
acadiantunes 2 years ago
if she denies court access to the father she should be punished
I so agree with this, slamming the door or going on that "suprise holiday" for a week, to me no only shows complete lack of respect for the other parent but also denial of the kids right to see their parent who they are knowingly waiting for during week.
If your 5 year old is waiting for mom or daddy weekend and you slam the door on that visiting parent, its one of the worst things you can do to them along with PAS control.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"Maybe a woman could opt herself out too, have the baby and give it to the father???"
They can do this via adoption anyway. Why are you acting like this doesn't happen? Only difference is that the father has to fight with the adoptive parents for custody rather than recieve full custody of the child himself. She still opts out scott free but in a way neglects the child their real father. continued...
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
Anyway it would be a good idea at least the father has an option to keep the child for himself rather than lose it to a bunch of strangers (adoptive parents) who he may have to pay childsupport to, to me thats no different from people kidnapping my child and making me pay them childsupport to visit him,her.
Yes fathers should be given an option to have sole custody, responsibility of the child as a sole provider if the mother wants nothing to do with the baby.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"Just out of curiosity do you think mothers should be given the choice to opt the father of the child out of the childs life?"
Only if the father agrees to do so.
Unlike todays custodial system the father can be made to opt out by the mother and the massive legal system behind her and still pay.
Kinda like social sevices taking your kids away from you saying you're an unfit parent and then charging you maximum CSA for them for 18years. Only custodial parents agree to stuff like that.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"Only if the father agrees to do so."
And if he doesnt want to?
Kinda back to square one here where the mother can have an abortion against his wishes. Then the father has no say whatsoever, just like he has today.
Anywy, I just cant imagine the 'opt out' scenario being played out when unplanned pregnancy occurrs within the context of a relationship. Its a happy occasion for most people, it is not felt with indifference.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
"Kinda back to square one here where the mother can have an abortion against his wishes. Then the father has no say whatsoever, just like he has today."
ROFL you are really confused. Case in point ONLY if the father agrees to do so if he doesnt she cant opt him out duh, its no different to female only abortion where the man can still ask the woman to abort.
If a woman opts out the father he has a choice to keep the child or give it up for adoption. Its not back to square one. lol
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
Tell me one reason why any sane woman who finds herself pregnant and realises she doesnt want to have a child with her partner would consider anything other than having an abortion.
Wouldnt you imagine her motivation would be that she doesnt want to have a child with that particular person moreso than not wanting to have the child at all.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Doesn't matter about the motives the fact of the matter is that the law allows it.
"Wouldnt you imagine her motivation would be that she doesnt want to have a child with that particular person moreso than not wanting to have the child at all. "
Thats not her decision to make, the child has a right to see its father and mother.
Are you saying that if a father steals a kid from the mother and outs it up for adoption, its acceptable? Why would it be acceptable if the reverse were true?
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"Wouldnt you imagine her motivation would be that she doesnt want to have a child with that particular person moreso than not wanting to have the child at all. "
It absoultely is her right and her choice to make. No one can force her to go through with that pregnancy, not even the apparent seduction of child maintenence is enough for most women. Most people dont want to wind up tied to their ex's. But when children are involved they will be tiedfor life, like it or not, through that child.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
"It absoultely is her right and her choice to make. No one can force her to go through with that pregnancy"
Blah blah I wasnt talking about pregnacy i was talking about denying the right of the father to know his child.
It isnt her right to deny the father his right to see his child.
As for pregnacy he should have a right to opt out in the pregnacy. No woman has the right to make a man go though HER pregnacy anymore than he has to force her to.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"Blah blah I wasnt talking about pregnacy i was talking about denying the right of the father to know his child."
Of which we both agree upon; fathers are just as important as mothers in a childs life. We agree that this seemingly automatic allocation of residency with the mother, after divorce is wrong, and that men should be alowed to see their children whenever they want.
I'm just still trying to get my head around 'opting out' and trying to figure if it is ethical or not.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
"I'm just still trying to get my head around 'opting out' and trying to figure if it is ethical or not. "
Its can about as ethical as an abortion.
However It gives the chance for a child to be in a family that wants them, if it survives unlike abortion.
It gives women the opportunity to raise a kid on her terms.
It protects the mans individual rights, it gives him control of his fatherhood. If he has the option to opt out he can use it to opt in with fair planned parenting.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"It isnt her right to deny the father his right to see his child."
Actually, yes, it is her right to deny her childs father access, but no, it shouldn't be anyones right, least of all the courts.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
"Actually, yes, it is her right to deny her childs father access, but no, it shouldn't be anyones right, least of all the courts."
No its not. What a load of crap. Its not her right to deny the father access to his child anymore than he has the right to deny her access to her child. What a load of feminist crap.
You sit here whining about the ethics of opting out but thats not really your problem your problem its that "women" wont be able to opt out the father anymore. Well tough shit.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago 2
"But when children are involved they will be tiedfor life, like it or not, through that child."
Wrong again people can adopt a child and not be tied. And women can opt out regardless of their ex's wishes via adoption. Why do you persist on making false statements.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
"people can adopt a child and not be tied."
And those who dont adopt? Are they tied or not? ( moving on from adoption to the issue you raise: woman who choose to be single mothers.)
I mean, correct me if i'm wrong but I thought part of your whole hoof with women's rights was that women can tie men to them just by getting pregnant, that they can, what was your words, "physically imprison him into 18 years of servitude to a child he doesnt want to have"?
PoetryEater 2 years ago
"Are you saying that if a father steals a kid from the mother and outs it up for adoption, its acceptable? Why would it be acceptable if the reverse were true?"
Of course neither are acceptable which is why I'd like to see the law changed so that BOTH biological parents have to sign a child over for adoption. That would be equality & in my mind is common sense. I was actually shocked to find only the biological mother's signature and permission were needed.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Of course neither are acceptable which is why I'd like to see the law changed so that BOTH biological parents have to sign a child over for adoption.
You go do that. It still doesn't change the fact that she can abandon children legally and abort on demand in US.
This won't work what happens if they can't find the father or he dies, what happens if she is raped by the father and she cant prove it?
Your solution here is not good enough. It will also lead to men being demonized even more
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago
Tell me one reason why any sane woman who finds herself pregnant and realises she doesnt want to have a child with her partner would consider anything other than having an abortion.
They may have found a new partner.
Want to be a single mother by choice.
Radical Feminist.(not sane ofc)
Dislikes the father believes its their right to opt them out.
Cheated on a husband and got pregant dont want to lose him so commits paternity fraud. Denys real father the child.
many reason etc.
stupidfeminazifoolz 2 years ago