Queen Mary is Bloody Mary but she didnt show up in peoples mirrors. She was called BLOODY Mary because she killed non-cathlic people. She killed them in a-well.. disturbing way.
This people were ugly even Henrry that was fat they should of chose ugly people to play on the Tudors not all of good looking actors and beutiful actress
sorry for all these posts, I just wanted to show to the ones who judge Anne why she was the best wife of all Henry's six wives, and why, also, nowadays, she is still considered one of the most important Queen consort of history. And everything I've posted are only "copy and paste", but there many other achievements she made during her short reign.
She became the victim of a public hate campaign,mobilized by KoAs supporters;in 1531,a crowd of 8000 women marched through the streets of London in an attempt to lynch her.At the time of her execution, public sympathy lay with her and not Henry.Annes household of 250 were disbanded,before the trial verdict and within 3 weeks JS was installed as queen and many returned to serve the new queen.However,the Queens Mistress of the Wardrobe,Lady Margaret Lee,went into retirement rather than serve Jane.
Anne was almost certainly the only wife of Henry with a particular interest in architecture, which she shared with her husband. Building plans for Whitehall Palace were sent to Henry and Anne for approval and interestingly Henry allowed her a significant say in decorations.She never lived to see the building work completed.
- Anne was the wealthiest of all Henry's wives, including Katherine of Aragon and Henry lost a lot of money to her playing cards.
- Anne played an enormous role in England's international position, by solidifying the French alliance. She established an excellent rapport with the French Ambassador, de la Pommeraye, who was captivated by her.
No heretics were burned during her tenure as queen, and in fact, she saved the life of one Nicholas Bourbon. Anne is probably the only person to have ever said "no" to the King's advances, which made her a challenge when he first encountered her. When Anne was created the first Marchioness of Pembroke in 1532, she became the first female English commoner ennobled in her own right, without inheritance or marriage, and at the time became the most prestigious non-royal woman in the land.
SHE GAVE MORE MONEY TO POOR IN 3 YEARS THAN KoA DURING HER ENTIRE REIGN OF MORE THAN 20.She even sewed clothing with her own hands to distribute to the poor & personally tended to the ill on her travels.Cromwell wanted Church revenues poured into the Kings depleted coffers;she preferred the money be distributed to the poor and educational resources.When she and Henry went on their summer progress she spent more time than Henry inquiring as to the state of the religious houses, offering aid.
The Pope paid spies to steal Henrys love letters to his fiancée, Anne, to prove that they were lovers. However, no evidence could be uncovered and even the Pope had to admit that all impartial evidence suggested she was strong-willed, but morally upright. Henry wrote at least 17 love letters to Anne, in his own hand. She convinced Henry that Bible should be translated into the vernacular and be available to the common people and not only clerical intermediaries;she also had al French Bible.
Apart from KoA, Anne was the only one of Henrys subsequent wives 2 have a coronation.
She is the only consort, before or since, to have been crowned with the St Edward crown, which is reserved for the actual monarch.
Anne supported and defended the censored writing of religious reformers, but retained elements of traditional Catholicism (transubstantiation) in her private worship. Her primary concern was purging the Church of abuses and superstitions.
Haha shame Henry! He tried so desperately for a son while his neglected daughters became such powerful, strong and influential monarchs! Edward died as a nobody!
Neither Katherine nor Mary were illiterate. Are you f serious? Katherine had one of the most humanist educations of the time (do you know who her MOTHER was?... Exactly!) And Mary had a rigorous education as well. And Anne was no scholar. She was intelligent, with a gift from languages that came from having traveled so often from such a young age, but, no scholar at all. Research before you talk. And Isabella of Castille WAS a Latin scholar. Wouldn't be surprised if Katherine was one, too.
did you switch them up at times... i mean it seemed like sometimes Elizabeth was on the right and then on the left.... either way it was a great video
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@scoutpangya Did you know that Elizabeth was a racist, a Catholic genocider, and a slave trader? Read your history before you give honor and praise to someone.
I agree! At first she was against slave trading, but after then money came in she, didn't seem to mind anymore. Part of England's wealth during her reign was through slave trading.
whoa someone has issues. nothing she did then was considered terrible in the times they lived in. and no she didn't do a catholic genocide, she made it a point to let them go as long as they didn't bother her.
only Catholics she killed where those that committed treason against her, at which point their religion had nothing to do with it.
In fairness to Edward VI, he was just a boy, obviously ruled by 'The Elders', so the many deaths attributed to his name, would be on their say so, i imagine. I believe he was a 'sickly' child, dying about age 17??? His father destroyed so many of our beautiful abbeys, and put so many innocent people to their deaths, including two of his wives
@gboleyn One has to remember that the history of England is written in modern times by the victor's of the English Reformation. Like all winners, these people are not going to write about their doings in the same light as the other guy. I actually did not say the Catholics where hung and burnt by Edward VI actually. The usual way was to starve them out , and make repressive laws and then force exile. I believe if Edward VI had lived his reign would have been extremely bloody.
In Fairness Mary gets all the rape but Henry VIII was the biggest killer of them all when it came to religion, only to be surpassed by Cromwell 120 years later. Edward VI's reign actually killed more people than Mary's as well. the Catholics were killed by the thousands, and they count also. Was hard times all round. Ireland never forgave England for the genocide done to their people (Catholic Cleansing) during Henry and Edward's rule. then followed by Cromwell's 600,000 Irish Catholics killed
I agree that Mary has had an unnecessarily harsh reputation, especially compared to her father or Cromwell, but it's not true at all that thousands of Catholics were killed in Edward VI's time. In the first place, that would've been an enormous chunk of the population; secondly, this isn't mentioned in any sources at all and there's no evidence of burnings or mass hangings of Catholics under Edward VI, although many churches were destroyed and many Catholics chose exile abroad.
Cathrine was incredible in many ways, Her fall has more to do with Spain then anything (Spanish Foreign Policy). In the First years Cathrine directed the English forces and defeated Scotland, She ruled in Henry's absence and was successful. She made it easier for the Church to care for the unfortunate. But mainly it was her works and good judgments that made Henry loved, and help give good government in his first 20 years. Henry did love her.
I thought your tribute to the two sisters was absolutely lovely. I loved how you compared them throughout, it obviously took a lot of work. I could never research all those photos!
History is written by victorius Only because protestand had won in England Mary is known as bloody and Elizabeth is known as "the great" In fact Mary's rule was endangered by protestants Since that she was killing them as Elizabeth was killing catholics What's more important from the catholic point of view she was a bastard because roman church didn't accept Henry's marriage with Anne Boleyn...
Mary is not known as bloody because protestantism won.
She is known as bloody because she burnt more protestants in her short reign than the spanish inquisition and the french equivalent put together. It is recorded that she burnt pregnant women, tortured people..all for their beliefs.
henry may have been hard on Catholic at points but there was no religious genocide.
Elizabeth believed in personal faith, defeated the armada and was a great patron of art, music and architecure.
Protestant rebeled against Mary! Exactly like catholics against Elizabeth in 1569 How many catholics killed Elizabeth in Ireland? Spanish inquisition haven't burned anyone- it only gave "guilties"(not accueseds only "guilties") to the laic judgement to punish them But this laic judgement didn't must killed them(might for example send them to the galleys for few years and did it frequently)
In all actuallity, Mary was also a parton of arts & music. She was fashionable and held many pagents.
Mary also was the first English Monarch to set relations with Russia. She also set up a new coining system that would be used up to the 1700's.
Also, the 286 of the Marion persecutions do NOT out number the French & Spanish equicalents. On top of that, Mary wasn't set to out to wipe out Protestants, it was the Protestant religion, she fully supported recantment.
Also, Mary herself was opposed to death, however her advisors were greatly fanatic who pressured her to undertake the burnings...advice she unfortnately followed, but it was mainly her advisors who undertook the order of burnings.
And as much as Liz believed in personal faith, people suffered in her reign. Priests and Catholic practicers were punished and killed for their beliefs, just as Protestants in Mary's reign. No doubt Liz was a great queen, but she was with her less savoury side.
I actuallydont know why anyone has any respect for this woman, I guess its because she so sweet and pretty in the HBO series.
She was a sickly disturbed child who became bitter and twistedafter Anne Boleyn rise and her fall, this was not her fault but you cant change the past.
Many rich protestants chose exile, some 800 left the country. Her deathcount would have been much higherif theyhad not done so.
Do youknow what killing a large group of people for their religious belief are?GENOCIDE
Genocide is the wiping out of an entire race of people, the term first came about during the Armenian Genocide. Once again, Mary was trying rid an belief or ideal, and any of those who recanted their beliefs were spared. It was clearly not a Genocide or else none would've been spared.
Mary was not an disturbed child, in fact she had a plesant childhood until her father sought out AB. She was abused mentally and phyiscally at the orders of them both.
kinnoul123- finally, someone who has said what I'v ebeen thinking the whole time! Mary knew exactly what she was doing when she KILLED (key word: KILLED) those Protestants. And there will be no excuse for her actions on Judgment Day. She will have to pay.
interesting to see how much Henry VIII , Edward VI, and Oliver Cromwell will pay for killing huge numbers of Catholics. for their actions on Judgment Day and not to forget Elizabeth I
all were guilty of Killing (key word: KILLING). Both sides did their numbers of Killing. Mary is the bad guy becomes the Catholics lost. and the Church of England needed to look good in Victory. Henry VIII was the worst of the Monarchs, Cromwell killed 10's of Thousands. Remember the Irish Catholic butchery 1650's
Ok where is your source for opposed to death? As a devout Catholic, Mary actually greatly embraced the idea of death, and had NO problem burning people, even pregnant women.
Even if the 286 dont outnumber the french and spanish equivalents, even though there is evidence they do, per year they definatley do for she had an intensley violent short reign.
Elizabeth burnt far less for religious belefs and reigned for almost 50 years.
Pageants were a court neccessity for recieving people.
Once again, any book (of which I have given) on Mary will show you that she is not who you believe her to be.
It was 286 in all of Mary's five years, not "per year". And her father in any five years of his later reign, particularly after his marriage to AB, surely topped 286.
Um where are are you getting Mary was a great patron of the arts and fashionable from?! please tell me your source!
Pageants were a neccessity at court to recieve noblemen and ambassadors.
Mary was well known to be frumpy, and refused many modern fashions just as her mother and Jane seymour did. Colours had to be muted and embelleshments kept simple.
Spain burned a few dozen, put 200 on trial.
France burnt a couple of hundred over a longer period of time.
Despite Mary's troubled childhood and youth, she is to this day considered the kindest Tudor monarch personality wise, in fact her behavior only changed when she was physically threaten by plots and rebellions. In fact, when Mary became Queen her advisors were worried she be seen as weak because of her kind nature and encouraged her to become more hardened. She did when she believed she was betrayed by her sister and was discarded coldly by her husband. Only in Mary's final years was she cold.
Mary was NOT "spolit and vindictive" to Elizabeth, records remain of Mary sending Elizabeth gifts, praising Elizabeth in letters.
Perhaps paranoid after Wyatt's Rebellion, but never "Frumpy and ruthless"
She WAS a remarkable lady, who was the First Queen of England, of which should be remembered. On top of that, her reign was not just the Marion Persecutions, you just can't seem to get past that.
One was a groundbreaking, alluring incredibly intellectual woman. Who wrote poetry, and sewed, and sang and played instruments. One brought style and european fashion to a stagnant court. One inspired a King who despised writing to pen some of the most famous love letters to date. One helped bring a corrupt church to its knees and has a legacy still runningtoday.
The other was illiterate, plain and mousy. Quiet and obedient. Kind maybe, but remarkable no.
I'd consider each wife incomparable to eachother, they all had something special about them.
Jane was intelligent, not as well educated as AB, but she certainly was illiterate. Jane did also sew, remarkablely well, some of her needlework exists today.
Jane was kind, and she was kindly remembered. Sadly some historians have taken this as she was "Plain", but in all actuality Jane was a very interesting woman, and much of her life is still shrouded in mystery.
Also, you sound remarkablely like Joanna Denny with how you talk about AB. She was a woman a many talents and indeed remarkable, but the all powerful and flawless woman who you make her out to be she was not.
In any case, the Protestant reformation was one it's way in before AB, had it not been her, it would've been someone else.
But then Religious reform for her and Henry's personal gain as opposed for a greater good is quite shallow.
Whatsmore, Anne life is shrouded in much more mystery than Janes.
Anne did not only use the reformation as for personal gain, she was a supportter since her years in France. She saw the opportunity to use her personal morals for her own gain, another sign or her intelligence and cunning.
Jane has nothing on the profound intensity of AB. Not in personality, accomplishments, creativity, style etc. And I see through your responses you may slightly acknowledge this.
kinnoul- you've said exactly what I wanted about Anne Boleyn! Anne was an amazing woman, too many people fail to see that because they're worshipping Katharine.
Also, you seem to be very passionate about this, as am I, if you wish to continue this discussion with others aside myself, check out The Tudors Wiki thread. It's quite clear you depise the show, but the people on the Thread discuss the actual historical events. I think they'd be interested to hear your opinions on the subject of Mary I, or any other Tudor subject.
Annes position was never set in stone like Janes and Mary was at the top of her oppostion, so she can be forgiven for not singing lullabies to the 17 year old calling her a witch.
I believe it is undeniable that Jane had at least a slight hand in Annes downfall. She is no fair maiden. A non royal lady does not become queen without ambition and cunning, as demonsrated by Anne. She played the same game, yet history has been much kinder to her, as has this stupid series.
Instead of being cruel and threatening toward Mary, AB could've just stayed out of HR's dirty business, but instead she encouraged it. She cannot be forgiven for her actions toward Mary (and Kat), it was who she was no matter how AB's fans try to excuse it.
Jane was indeed ambitious, that's how she became Queen. Reasonable history is kinder to Jane b/c of how she carried herself during the matter. She was not slandering toward her rival or her rival's child. Nor was she arrogant about it.
You see, even with your impressive knowledge of this period which might I add is very refreshing, you cant equate Jane, in any way other than 'kindness' to Anne.
Can I also say that obviously Jane would be more careful about how she carried herself, Anne blood had barely dried and Jane had a front row seat to her downfall.
Anne wasnt perfect, she was hotheaded and sometimes cruel although I have given valid reasons for this 'cruelty' which I see more as a defense from a rival faction. CONT
I wasn't trying to equate JS to AB, they were two entirely different women. JS had quiet strengths, she was ambitious but she was also kind. She did speak out but learned to stay alive she should keep her mouth shut. Also, not just after she became Queen but before JS carried herself in a respectful manner, which is much to her credit.
I honestly do not see what good it did AB to degrade Mary any more than HR did.
She encouraged beatings, threats, constantly pushed HR to punish her.
Just because two women are diffrent, doesnt mean theyare incomparable. All people are comparable, especially in historical terms.
I have agreed that Anne took her treatment of Mary too far. However, as I have saidmary was not a child and she was Anne's enemy. I would also like topoint out that her 'treatment' of Mary is likely exagerated as whatlittle accounts there are are mostly of Catholic/ origin.
And I dont see moving into the Royal apartments,as soon as Anne is sent away as 'respectful'.
Mary wasn't a child yes, but she was an innocent in the matter, used merely as figure head by supporters, Henry & AB made sure she wasn't allowed contact with those who would help her.
Mary's treatment, is not exagerated, it has been argued that it MAY be exagerated but letters still remain, and not are all of Catholic origin, either.
In comparision to AB's behavior toward Katharine, Jane's behavior was extremely respectful. Jane was sent to Wulfhall before AB was arrested.
...and she had many of the same traits. I also believe her mothers memory and attributes were very dear and inspirational to her, as pointed to through the ring.
History has been so kind to Catherine and Jane, yet Anne still shines as the most groundbreaking remarkable Queen.
I too share in your admiration for Katherine, but Jane? I dont understand that. You know that there is also evidence that she only brought Mary back as she was under pressure by the Chapuys and other Catholic ambassoders
We'll just have to differ on that, I'd argue the Katharine was the most remarkable Queen of Henry VIII.
I'm not expecting anyone to suddenly adore JS, or look at her as if she is on the same level as KoA, AB, or CP, because JS was not. However it is frustrating that JS is always thought to be illiterate and nothing special. She did what she could within the means keeping her life. She spoke out, she endeared, and she tried. She was more than just Edward VI's mother.
She was mostly illiterate. And Id like to say I have no 'malicious' thoughts towards her, just surprised that you or indeed anyone could admire her more thanAnne.
Now Katherine is definatley deservedof admiration, however even still Id have to say anne pips her. Just because of what she accomplished, when Katherine was born to be Queen. And the love she inspired in Henry, and how controversial she was, and the dignity with which she died. So many reasons.
Lol, well that's just me, Jane interests me, it suprised me. I think I had read so much on the big three(KoA,AB,CP) that Jane just had this sudden appeal...to be honest, I didn't used to think much of her.
Personally, I think the whole Tudor Period is just exciting. I definately lean more toward the Six Wives, but then Liz's reign was so intriguing, plus so much controversy. And then Ed & Mary with their short but impacting reigns.
Tragic, Exciting, Juicy...the Tudor Dynasty is just fab!
Do you know why I think we dont agree? You seem to judge people on ALLEGED kindness and virtue. And whilst these are admirable qualities, I respect intelligencce, creativity, ambition, achievment, change and controversion. Anne also had raw sexual magnetism, a scholars mind and was the most graceful woman at court.
There is no amount of kindness to stepchildren or obedience to the King, that can change mine or many respected historians mind. This is why she is so alluring, even till this day..
I'd hardly called JS's virtue and kindness "alleged". I like JS b/c of her kindness and intelligence to push and pull HR in means of keeping her head. Many respected Historians argues that she may have been a powerful Matriarch had she survived, she gave HR the son, she was secure.
AB's talents are admirable (and many) but her ability to be callous is not. Because of this, I cannot see her anything beyond a neutral light. I can acknowledge what she did do for good, but cannot forget the bad.
Being able to live with Henry without losing your head was not hard work, all you hade to be was obedient and heir prducing which Jane was.
Also this 'bad' you see in Anne I think is slightly exagerated. She was no monster or child catcher towards Mary. She acted in a defensice way for her and Elizabeth towards the head of a rivalfaction. True she went overboard but in the end it ws actually Henrywho mistreated Mary, and Annes involvment is there but how direct her involvment was is debatable.
while i wouldn't go so far as calling her 'virtue and kindness' alleged (though doubt) she was not intelligent.
she was chosen by Henry because she was the opposite of Anne, which includes smarts and wits.
Henry was already bored with her long before she gave birth to their son. he already had mistresses and was looking elsewhere (if it wasn't for the son, her story would have been very different)
and as much as i am a feminist, she would have never been great.
Actually, HR right off the bat, in 1509 turned England from his Father's stagnant court into a Renaissance court, AB made french fashions popular, but she certainly wasn't the reason for England rise into the Renaissance, she was but a child when that change arose.
Art, Music, and fashion also all came about at the beginning of HR's reign. HVIII was the Renaissance King. He and Kat were great advocates of it.
JS was not as ground breaking as KoA, AB, or CP but she wasn't "dull and insignificant".
The six Queens may be callous, quiet, loyal to a fault, playful, reserved, foreign, uneducated, flirtagious....but to say any of them were "dull and insignificant" is just rude to all of they're memory.
You are engaging with this particular lineof argument in a very shallowway. Picking on less important points, and my wording.
Calling Janedull and insignificant is not rude, many thoroughly respected historians have called her worse.And you yourself have deemed Anne 'cruel', yet she, like Jane, was kind and charitable to most.
The renaissance had started, but Anne thoroghly accelerated its development.
My point still stands that Anne, her influence and her offspring greatly outshine Jane.
AB was indeed cruel in her treatment towards Mary & Kat, and to some many others, BUT that is not all she was.
However, your giving AB more credit than she deserves, she was not the reason for the Renaissance in the English court, it had been going on for at least 20 years before she became a spectacle in court.
In regards to AB's offspring, other than image in a ring, Liz was influenced by her father, Cate Parr, and Kat Ashley.
I have said the renaissance was underway, however it is greatly achnowledged that Anne through patronage and ideas greatly accelerated its development. Any visit to hampton court or what remain of whitehall will reveal the changes in decor and architecture which occured during Annes time in power. She was highly intelligent and creative, and moved with such grace and poise that it impressed even her enemies.
Elizabeth may not have known her mother, but her blood ran through her veins CONT
My source for "fashionable", as you put it, is from Herbert Norris's 'Tudor Costume and Fashion', if you're interested in Tudor fashion, you can't be without it.
But other sources on Jane, are 'Ordeal By Ambition' by William Seymour & 'Jane Seymour' by Elizabeth Norton.
Katherine can be well read about it in any book, and I've given you sources on Mary, but in addition to Loades & Porter, Judith Richards is also a respectable source on Mary.
Im not denying Jane had style and grace, and Katherine was certainly fashion forward from what I have read, but Mary saw fashion and power dressing hand in hand with her role as queen, and was never passionate or forward thinking.
I meant 286 for her 5 years, this is a very high concentration of executions for religious beliefs.
If it werent for the hundreds she slaughtered and her relationship to Henry, she would be barely mentionable. Not like Catherine or Anne.
HOWEVER, if you want to talk about Jane. She is even less remarkable. The epitomy of a plain Jane.
Mousy, quiet, obedient, plain. She contrasted to Anne Boleyn who was dark and fiery. This is why she caught the kings eye-he wanted the opposite of Anne.
The renaissance court flourished under Anne but became very subdued duringJanes reign.
She is remembered as kind to the royal children,somehow contasting to Anne.Yet Mary was a young woman heading a faction which called for Annes downfall, CONT
wen u c them side by side u can so c they look alike in sum ways they both have the same nose which they got frm henry its a lovly tribute just such a shame they didnt stay close through out their lives
Beautiful tribute to these two sisters who thanks to fate were divided as adults. I hope both remembered at their ends the younger years-when they seemed to love each other and got along. I've always liked James I's tribute on their monument (I have read he composed it) 'Two sisters, etc.' It was beautifully thought out imo. James was estranged from his mother no thanks to religion and politics as well. I like to think he felt some empathy towards Mary and Elizabeth's own relationship.
I've wondered how Southern women managed as well all the way through to the end of the 19th century what with the hoops, and multiple skirts. I wonder how the weather was in England in those days? Certain cultures, for example some tribal peoples in Africa seemed to sensibly adapt to their environment. All of those multiple layers seem unnatural especially in the heat of the summer.
I did check the climate pattern between the 14th -18th/19th century that there was akind of mini ice age. there was even a documentary in historyor discovery channel about it i guess if the weather was always cool throughout it may explain the excessive layering
I did not know that! A mini ice age-very interesting. It would make sense then-all those layered clothes though the hoops seem more of a fashion thing. :)
This is amazingly beautiful a slideshow; the music is enigmatic as it is majestic for these two remarkable women who were queens and half-sisters. May they find peace in the next world since they were not able to in this physical plain due to politics. Lovely work.
Queen Mary is Bloody Mary but she didnt show up in peoples mirrors. She was called BLOODY Mary because she killed non-cathlic people. She killed them in a-well.. disturbing way.
gpsgirl1 1 month ago
This people were ugly even Henrry that was fat they should of chose ugly people to play on the Tudors not all of good looking actors and beutiful actress
brendalizruiz 3 months ago
sorry for all these posts, I just wanted to show to the ones who judge Anne why she was the best wife of all Henry's six wives, and why, also, nowadays, she is still considered one of the most important Queen consort of history. And everything I've posted are only "copy and paste", but there many other achievements she made during her short reign.
Queen Anne Forever!!!
thenewzoker 5 months ago
She became the victim of a public hate campaign,mobilized by KoAs supporters;in 1531,a crowd of 8000 women marched through the streets of London in an attempt to lynch her.At the time of her execution, public sympathy lay with her and not Henry.Annes household of 250 were disbanded,before the trial verdict and within 3 weeks JS was installed as queen and many returned to serve the new queen.However,the Queens Mistress of the Wardrobe,Lady Margaret Lee,went into retirement rather than serve Jane.
thenewzoker 5 months ago
Anne was almost certainly the only wife of Henry with a particular interest in architecture, which she shared with her husband. Building plans for Whitehall Palace were sent to Henry and Anne for approval and interestingly Henry allowed her a significant say in decorations.She never lived to see the building work completed.
CONT
thenewzoker 5 months ago
- Anne was the wealthiest of all Henry's wives, including Katherine of Aragon and Henry lost a lot of money to her playing cards.
- Anne played an enormous role in England's international position, by solidifying the French alliance. She established an excellent rapport with the French Ambassador, de la Pommeraye, who was captivated by her.
CONT
thenewzoker 5 months ago
No heretics were burned during her tenure as queen, and in fact, she saved the life of one Nicholas Bourbon. Anne is probably the only person to have ever said "no" to the King's advances, which made her a challenge when he first encountered her. When Anne was created the first Marchioness of Pembroke in 1532, she became the first female English commoner ennobled in her own right, without inheritance or marriage, and at the time became the most prestigious non-royal woman in the land.
CONT
thenewzoker 5 months ago
SHE GAVE MORE MONEY TO POOR IN 3 YEARS THAN KoA DURING HER ENTIRE REIGN OF MORE THAN 20.She even sewed clothing with her own hands to distribute to the poor & personally tended to the ill on her travels.Cromwell wanted Church revenues poured into the Kings depleted coffers;she preferred the money be distributed to the poor and educational resources.When she and Henry went on their summer progress she spent more time than Henry inquiring as to the state of the religious houses, offering aid.
CONT
thenewzoker 5 months ago
The Pope paid spies to steal Henrys love letters to his fiancée, Anne, to prove that they were lovers. However, no evidence could be uncovered and even the Pope had to admit that all impartial evidence suggested she was strong-willed, but morally upright. Henry wrote at least 17 love letters to Anne, in his own hand. She convinced Henry that Bible should be translated into the vernacular and be available to the common people and not only clerical intermediaries;she also had al French Bible.
CONT
thenewzoker 5 months ago
Apart from KoA, Anne was the only one of Henrys subsequent wives 2 have a coronation.
She is the only consort, before or since, to have been crowned with the St Edward crown, which is reserved for the actual monarch.
Anne supported and defended the censored writing of religious reformers, but retained elements of traditional Catholicism (transubstantiation) in her private worship. Her primary concern was purging the Church of abuses and superstitions.
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In my opinion Mary was not very beautiful on the picture at 2.42 by the way as for me Anne Boleyn look more beautiful than Katherine of Aragon
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ZZZANNAMARIYZZZ 7 months ago
Haha shame Henry! He tried so desperately for a son while his neglected daughters became such powerful, strong and influential monarchs! Edward died as a nobody!
AnahSkywalker 11 months ago
its amazing just how similar they looked
Sweetlittlemystery 1 year ago
@Sweetlittlemystery they had there fathers looks for sure
ZoeCEubanks 7 months ago
0:44 ... Twins?!
CharlotteAttacksYou 1 year ago
Neither Katherine nor Mary were illiterate. Are you f serious? Katherine had one of the most humanist educations of the time (do you know who her MOTHER was?... Exactly!) And Mary had a rigorous education as well. And Anne was no scholar. She was intelligent, with a gift from languages that came from having traveled so often from such a young age, but, no scholar at all. Research before you talk. And Isabella of Castille WAS a Latin scholar. Wouldn't be surprised if Katherine was one, too.
CorieFaulkner 1 year ago
That's true the Queens were both discarded, such a shame.
mckfrr 1 year ago
Crazy !!! Religion killed Billions of lives but yet we still attend lmao
willmusic1 1 year ago
Awesome pictures, I've never seen these before!!!!
PeaceLoveSmile4 1 year ago
Ojalá Inglaterra vuelva a ser católica algun dia,rezaré por aquella isla,
cruzadocatolico 1 year ago
did you switch them up at times... i mean it seemed like sometimes Elizabeth was on the right and then on the left.... either way it was a great video
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airam7th Life is like a bubble it is vanish any time. So...Don't waste time to prove you love that person... For me...Ashed is too microscopic to see & how you complete the puzzle to prove you bring him/her to" Life"...that microscopic parts of ashed need million years or billion years to complete the parts of someone you loved most but died "Because Of You...."
airam7th 1 year ago
Has anyone else noticed that in all of the portraits that Mary always looked paranoid and fearful but Elizabeth always looked calm and sophisticated.
PeaceLoveSmile4 1 year ago
Love this video of Mary, but you spoiled it by adding Elizabeth.
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CorsicaNustrale 2 years ago
Elizabeth!!
scoutpangya 2 years ago
@scoutpangya Did you know that Elizabeth was a racist, a Catholic genocider, and a slave trader? Read your history before you give honor and praise to someone.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan o_o dude...i just said her name...
scoutpangya 1 year ago
@scoutpangya yes, I know. BUt I assumed you admired her, so I was just educating you.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan
I agree! At first she was against slave trading, but after then money came in she, didn't seem to mind anymore. Part of England's wealth during her reign was through slave trading.
princessewhiterose 1 year ago
@evaperonfan
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whoa someone has issues. nothing she did then was considered terrible in the times they lived in. and no she didn't do a catholic genocide, she made it a point to let them go as long as they didn't bother her.
only Catholics she killed where those that committed treason against her, at which point their religion had nothing to do with it.
and racist against what exactly?
firegoat 1 year ago
Beautiful slideshow... But, I think that at 0:30, on the left, is Margaret Tudor, queen of Scotland and the two princesses' aunt, on her childhood ^^
AeroDeschain 2 years ago
@AeroDeschain
The brooch that the sitter wears represents the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V, who a child, Mary's age. was bethrothed to.
If you are interested in known images of Margaret Tudors, I have a vid of her also. =)
LNor19 2 years ago
In fairness to Edward VI, he was just a boy, obviously ruled by 'The Elders', so the many deaths attributed to his name, would be on their say so, i imagine. I believe he was a 'sickly' child, dying about age 17??? His father destroyed so many of our beautiful abbeys, and put so many innocent people to their deaths, including two of his wives
MOSESCAT69 2 years ago
@gboleyn One has to remember that the history of England is written in modern times by the victor's of the English Reformation. Like all winners, these people are not going to write about their doings in the same light as the other guy. I actually did not say the Catholics where hung and burnt by Edward VI actually. The usual way was to starve them out , and make repressive laws and then force exile. I believe if Edward VI had lived his reign would have been extremely bloody.
regszikora 2 years ago
Elizabeth all the way!
annaboleynrulez 2 years ago
I love Elizabeth and her mother Anne!!!!
stasiup3 2 years ago
In Fairness Mary gets all the rape but Henry VIII was the biggest killer of them all when it came to religion, only to be surpassed by Cromwell 120 years later. Edward VI's reign actually killed more people than Mary's as well. the Catholics were killed by the thousands, and they count also. Was hard times all round. Ireland never forgave England for the genocide done to their people (Catholic Cleansing) during Henry and Edward's rule. then followed by Cromwell's 600,000 Irish Catholics killed
regszikora 2 years ago
I agree that Mary has had an unnecessarily harsh reputation, especially compared to her father or Cromwell, but it's not true at all that thousands of Catholics were killed in Edward VI's time. In the first place, that would've been an enormous chunk of the population; secondly, this isn't mentioned in any sources at all and there's no evidence of burnings or mass hangings of Catholics under Edward VI, although many churches were destroyed and many Catholics chose exile abroad.
gboleyn 2 years ago
Cathrine was incredible in many ways, Her fall has more to do with Spain then anything (Spanish Foreign Policy). In the First years Cathrine directed the English forces and defeated Scotland, She ruled in Henry's absence and was successful. She made it easier for the Church to care for the unfortunate. But mainly it was her works and good judgments that made Henry loved, and help give good government in his first 20 years. Henry did love her.
regszikora 2 years ago
@regszikora
I thought her fall was more to do with the fact that she couldn't bear any more children...
but she was incredible, wife 1 and 2 were each very formidable, heck even 6 has some cunning.
firegoat 1 year ago
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evaperonfan 2 years ago
Love the Tudor period.
2009ginasweetie 2 years ago
beautiful video!
5*
stokrotka1011 2 years ago
Mary was suppost to have been a beauty before years of depression and ill heath claimed some of her looks.
ForEverSnoopy 2 years ago
.. never mind all this debate.
I thought your tribute to the two sisters was absolutely lovely. I loved how you compared them throughout, it obviously took a lot of work. I could never research all those photos!
5 stars (:
NatalieElizabeth24 2 years ago 2
Thanks so much!
Lol, I'm such a nerd when it comes to finding images.
LNor19 2 years ago
History is written by victorius Only because protestand had won in England Mary is known as bloody and Elizabeth is known as "the great" In fact Mary's rule was endangered by protestants Since that she was killing them as Elizabeth was killing catholics What's more important from the catholic point of view she was a bastard because roman church didn't accept Henry's marriage with Anne Boleyn...
kraksynludoli 2 years ago
oh wow.
Mary is not known as bloody because protestantism won.
She is known as bloody because she burnt more protestants in her short reign than the spanish inquisition and the french equivalent put together. It is recorded that she burnt pregnant women, tortured people..all for their beliefs.
henry may have been hard on Catholic at points but there was no religious genocide.
Elizabeth believed in personal faith, defeated the armada and was a great patron of art, music and architecure.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 10
Protestant rebeled against Mary! Exactly like catholics against Elizabeth in 1569 How many catholics killed Elizabeth in Ireland? Spanish inquisition haven't burned anyone- it only gave "guilties"(not accueseds only "guilties") to the laic judgement to punish them But this laic judgement didn't must killed them(might for example send them to the galleys for few years and did it frequently)
kraksynludoli 2 years ago
In all actuallity, Mary was also a parton of arts & music. She was fashionable and held many pagents.
Mary also was the first English Monarch to set relations with Russia. She also set up a new coining system that would be used up to the 1700's.
Also, the 286 of the Marion persecutions do NOT out number the French & Spanish equicalents. On top of that, Mary wasn't set to out to wipe out Protestants, it was the Protestant religion, she fully supported recantment.
Cont...
LNor19 2 years ago
Also, Mary herself was opposed to death, however her advisors were greatly fanatic who pressured her to undertake the burnings...advice she unfortnately followed, but it was mainly her advisors who undertook the order of burnings.
And as much as Liz believed in personal faith, people suffered in her reign. Priests and Catholic practicers were punished and killed for their beliefs, just as Protestants in Mary's reign. No doubt Liz was a great queen, but she was with her less savoury side.
LNor19 2 years ago
I actuallydont know why anyone has any respect for this woman, I guess its because she so sweet and pretty in the HBO series.
She was a sickly disturbed child who became bitter and twistedafter Anne Boleyn rise and her fall, this was not her fault but you cant change the past.
Many rich protestants chose exile, some 800 left the country. Her deathcount would have been much higherif theyhad not done so.
Do youknow what killing a large group of people for their religious belief are?GENOCIDE
kinnoul123 2 years ago 4
Genocide is the wiping out of an entire race of people, the term first came about during the Armenian Genocide. Once again, Mary was trying rid an belief or ideal, and any of those who recanted their beliefs were spared. It was clearly not a Genocide or else none would've been spared.
Mary was not an disturbed child, in fact she had a plesant childhood until her father sought out AB. She was abused mentally and phyiscally at the orders of them both.
Cont...
LNor19 2 years ago
kinnoul123- finally, someone who has said what I'v ebeen thinking the whole time! Mary knew exactly what she was doing when she KILLED (key word: KILLED) those Protestants. And there will be no excuse for her actions on Judgment Day. She will have to pay.
GoddessofHyrule 2 years ago 12
All Monarchs had people killed under their rule, don't be soon to think Mary was the only one...
LNor19 2 years ago
And it's only "KILLED" when Protestants die, right?
Uh, I think she has met Judgment Day already, some 450 years ago.
hotgravy1 2 years ago
@hotgravy1
judgment day will occur on the last day of earth, at which point all the dead would arise from thier graves and go to get judged.
at least that's what the three sky religion believe in (jewish, christian and muslim)
firegoat 1 year ago
interesting to see how much Henry VIII , Edward VI, and Oliver Cromwell will pay for killing huge numbers of Catholics. for their actions on Judgment Day and not to forget Elizabeth I
all were guilty of Killing (key word: KILLING). Both sides did their numbers of Killing. Mary is the bad guy becomes the Catholics lost. and the Church of England needed to look good in Victory. Henry VIII was the worst of the Monarchs, Cromwell killed 10's of Thousands. Remember the Irish Catholic butchery 1650's
regszikora 2 years ago
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evaperonfan 2 years ago
Ok where is your source for opposed to death? As a devout Catholic, Mary actually greatly embraced the idea of death, and had NO problem burning people, even pregnant women.
Even if the 286 dont outnumber the french and spanish equivalents, even though there is evidence they do, per year they definatley do for she had an intensley violent short reign.
Elizabeth burnt far less for religious belefs and reigned for almost 50 years.
Pageants were a court neccessity for recieving people.
Cont.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 10
Once again, any book (of which I have given) on Mary will show you that she is not who you believe her to be.
It was 286 in all of Mary's five years, not "per year". And her father in any five years of his later reign, particularly after his marriage to AB, surely topped 286.
LNor19 2 years ago
Um where are are you getting Mary was a great patron of the arts and fashionable from?! please tell me your source!
Pageants were a neccessity at court to recieve noblemen and ambassadors.
Mary was well known to be frumpy, and refused many modern fashions just as her mother and Jane seymour did. Colours had to be muted and embelleshments kept simple.
Spain burned a few dozen, put 200 on trial.
France burnt a couple of hundred over a longer period of time.
cont..
kinnoul123 2 years ago 3
Any book on Mary will show you who she was, I'd recommend David Loades and Linda Porter on Mary inparticular.
The Spanish Inquistion killed/burned/tortured thousands, not in anyway a "few dozen".
And the French in the spread of couple days killed anywhere from 5,000 to 30,000, as per the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacare.
Cont...
LNor19 2 years ago
Despite Mary's troubled childhood and youth, she is to this day considered the kindest Tudor monarch personality wise, in fact her behavior only changed when she was physically threaten by plots and rebellions. In fact, when Mary became Queen her advisors were worried she be seen as weak because of her kind nature and encouraged her to become more hardened. She did when she believed she was betrayed by her sister and was discarded coldly by her husband. Only in Mary's final years was she cold.
LNor19 2 years ago
Mary may not have been Hitler, but she was not kind. Even whilst looking after Elizabeth she was often spolit and vindictive to the child.
She was twisted as a result of her earlier years, paranoid, frumpy and ruthless.
Apart from the trivial 'coin'statement you thought of,she broughtnothing to the table for our country, she plungedit into poverty, fear, and flames.
This is a very unremarkable lady, who is remembered for the blood she spilt, because what other reasons are there to remember?
kinnoul123 2 years ago 9
Mary was NOT "spolit and vindictive" to Elizabeth, records remain of Mary sending Elizabeth gifts, praising Elizabeth in letters.
Perhaps paranoid after Wyatt's Rebellion, but never "Frumpy and ruthless"
She WAS a remarkable lady, who was the First Queen of England, of which should be remembered. On top of that, her reign was not just the Marion Persecutions, you just can't seem to get past that.
LNor19 2 years ago
CONT.
Jane is incomparable to Anne.
One was a groundbreaking, alluring incredibly intellectual woman. Who wrote poetry, and sewed, and sang and played instruments. One brought style and european fashion to a stagnant court. One inspired a King who despised writing to pen some of the most famous love letters to date. One helped bring a corrupt church to its knees and has a legacy still runningtoday.
The other was illiterate, plain and mousy. Quiet and obedient. Kind maybe, but remarkable no.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 9
I'd consider each wife incomparable to eachother, they all had something special about them.
Jane was intelligent, not as well educated as AB, but she certainly was illiterate. Jane did also sew, remarkablely well, some of her needlework exists today.
Jane was kind, and she was kindly remembered. Sadly some historians have taken this as she was "Plain", but in all actuality Jane was a very interesting woman, and much of her life is still shrouded in mystery.
Cont..
LNor19 2 years ago
Also, you sound remarkablely like Joanna Denny with how you talk about AB. She was a woman a many talents and indeed remarkable, but the all powerful and flawless woman who you make her out to be she was not.
In any case, the Protestant reformation was one it's way in before AB, had it not been her, it would've been someone else.
But then Religious reform for her and Henry's personal gain as opposed for a greater good is quite shallow.
LNor19 2 years ago
Whatsmore, Anne life is shrouded in much more mystery than Janes.
Anne did not only use the reformation as for personal gain, she was a supportter since her years in France. She saw the opportunity to use her personal morals for her own gain, another sign or her intelligence and cunning.
Jane has nothing on the profound intensity of AB. Not in personality, accomplishments, creativity, style etc. And I see through your responses you may slightly acknowledge this.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 7
kinnoul- you've said exactly what I wanted about Anne Boleyn! Anne was an amazing woman, too many people fail to see that because they're worshipping Katharine.
GoddessofHyrule 2 years ago 12
Yeah, you sure aren't worshipping anyone. Oh, no sirree....
hotgravy1 2 years ago
kinnoul123: I agree with you!
anneandkatherine22 2 years ago 3
Also, you seem to be very passionate about this, as am I, if you wish to continue this discussion with others aside myself, check out The Tudors Wiki thread. It's quite clear you depise the show, but the people on the Thread discuss the actual historical events. I think they'd be interested to hear your opinions on the subject of Mary I, or any other Tudor subject.
LNor19 2 years ago
CONT.
Annes position was never set in stone like Janes and Mary was at the top of her oppostion, so she can be forgiven for not singing lullabies to the 17 year old calling her a witch.
I believe it is undeniable that Jane had at least a slight hand in Annes downfall. She is no fair maiden. A non royal lady does not become queen without ambition and cunning, as demonsrated by Anne. She played the same game, yet history has been much kinder to her, as has this stupid series.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 10
Instead of being cruel and threatening toward Mary, AB could've just stayed out of HR's dirty business, but instead she encouraged it. She cannot be forgiven for her actions toward Mary (and Kat), it was who she was no matter how AB's fans try to excuse it.
Jane was indeed ambitious, that's how she became Queen. Reasonable history is kinder to Jane b/c of how she carried herself during the matter. She was not slandering toward her rival or her rival's child. Nor was she arrogant about it.
LNor19 2 years ago
You see, even with your impressive knowledge of this period which might I add is very refreshing, you cant equate Jane, in any way other than 'kindness' to Anne.
Can I also say that obviously Jane would be more careful about how she carried herself, Anne blood had barely dried and Jane had a front row seat to her downfall.
Anne wasnt perfect, she was hotheaded and sometimes cruel although I have given valid reasons for this 'cruelty' which I see more as a defense from a rival faction. CONT
kinnoul123 2 years ago 12
I wasn't trying to equate JS to AB, they were two entirely different women. JS had quiet strengths, she was ambitious but she was also kind. She did speak out but learned to stay alive she should keep her mouth shut. Also, not just after she became Queen but before JS carried herself in a respectful manner, which is much to her credit.
I honestly do not see what good it did AB to degrade Mary any more than HR did.
She encouraged beatings, threats, constantly pushed HR to punish her.
LNor19 2 years ago
Just because two women are diffrent, doesnt mean theyare incomparable. All people are comparable, especially in historical terms.
I have agreed that Anne took her treatment of Mary too far. However, as I have saidmary was not a child and she was Anne's enemy. I would also like topoint out that her 'treatment' of Mary is likely exagerated as whatlittle accounts there are are mostly of Catholic/ origin.
And I dont see moving into the Royal apartments,as soon as Anne is sent away as 'respectful'.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 12
Mary wasn't a child yes, but she was an innocent in the matter, used merely as figure head by supporters, Henry & AB made sure she wasn't allowed contact with those who would help her.
Mary's treatment, is not exagerated, it has been argued that it MAY be exagerated but letters still remain, and not are all of Catholic origin, either.
In comparision to AB's behavior toward Katharine, Jane's behavior was extremely respectful. Jane was sent to Wulfhall before AB was arrested.
LNor19 2 years ago
...and she had many of the same traits. I also believe her mothers memory and attributes were very dear and inspirational to her, as pointed to through the ring.
History has been so kind to Catherine and Jane, yet Anne still shines as the most groundbreaking remarkable Queen.
I too share in your admiration for Katherine, but Jane? I dont understand that. You know that there is also evidence that she only brought Mary back as she was under pressure by the Chapuys and other Catholic ambassoders
kinnoul123 2 years ago 11
We'll just have to differ on that, I'd argue the Katharine was the most remarkable Queen of Henry VIII.
I'm not expecting anyone to suddenly adore JS, or look at her as if she is on the same level as KoA, AB, or CP, because JS was not. However it is frustrating that JS is always thought to be illiterate and nothing special. She did what she could within the means keeping her life. She spoke out, she endeared, and she tried. She was more than just Edward VI's mother.
LNor19 2 years ago
She was mostly illiterate. And Id like to say I have no 'malicious' thoughts towards her, just surprised that you or indeed anyone could admire her more thanAnne.
Now Katherine is definatley deservedof admiration, however even still Id have to say anne pips her. Just because of what she accomplished, when Katherine was born to be Queen. And the love she inspired in Henry, and how controversial she was, and the dignity with which she died. So many reasons.
Exciting, alluring, truly remarkable.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 13
Lol, well that's just me, Jane interests me, it suprised me. I think I had read so much on the big three(KoA,AB,CP) that Jane just had this sudden appeal...to be honest, I didn't used to think much of her.
Personally, I think the whole Tudor Period is just exciting. I definately lean more toward the Six Wives, but then Liz's reign was so intriguing, plus so much controversy. And then Ed & Mary with their short but impacting reigns.
Tragic, Exciting, Juicy...the Tudor Dynasty is just fab!
LNor19 2 years ago
Do you know why I think we dont agree? You seem to judge people on ALLEGED kindness and virtue. And whilst these are admirable qualities, I respect intelligencce, creativity, ambition, achievment, change and controversion. Anne also had raw sexual magnetism, a scholars mind and was the most graceful woman at court.
There is no amount of kindness to stepchildren or obedience to the King, that can change mine or many respected historians mind. This is why she is so alluring, even till this day..
kinnoul123 2 years ago 13
I'd hardly called JS's virtue and kindness "alleged". I like JS b/c of her kindness and intelligence to push and pull HR in means of keeping her head. Many respected Historians argues that she may have been a powerful Matriarch had she survived, she gave HR the son, she was secure.
AB's talents are admirable (and many) but her ability to be callous is not. Because of this, I cannot see her anything beyond a neutral light. I can acknowledge what she did do for good, but cannot forget the bad.
LNor19 2 years ago
Being able to live with Henry without losing your head was not hard work, all you hade to be was obedient and heir prducing which Jane was.
Also this 'bad' you see in Anne I think is slightly exagerated. She was no monster or child catcher towards Mary. She acted in a defensice way for her and Elizabeth towards the head of a rivalfaction. True she went overboard but in the end it ws actually Henrywho mistreated Mary, and Annes involvment is there but how direct her involvment was is debatable.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 12
@LNor19
while i wouldn't go so far as calling her 'virtue and kindness' alleged (though doubt) she was not intelligent.
she was chosen by Henry because she was the opposite of Anne, which includes smarts and wits.
Henry was already bored with her long before she gave birth to their son. he already had mistresses and was looking elsewhere (if it wasn't for the son, her story would have been very different)
and as much as i am a feminist, she would have never been great.
firegoat 1 year ago
I see the most important/positive things to arise from the tudor period as..
The Reformation
The development of a stagnant court into the height of renaissance sophistication
The development of art, music and fashion
Elizabeth and the Elizabethan period
Anne had adirect or indirect hand in all these things. Yes she was cruel and hotheaded at times but she was truly groundbreaking and glorious.
JS may have given birth to a short lived King, bt she was dull and insignificant in comparison.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 11
Actually, HR right off the bat, in 1509 turned England from his Father's stagnant court into a Renaissance court, AB made french fashions popular, but she certainly wasn't the reason for England rise into the Renaissance, she was but a child when that change arose.
Art, Music, and fashion also all came about at the beginning of HR's reign. HVIII was the Renaissance King. He and Kat were great advocates of it.
cont...
LNor19 2 years ago
JS was not as ground breaking as KoA, AB, or CP but she wasn't "dull and insignificant".
The six Queens may be callous, quiet, loyal to a fault, playful, reserved, foreign, uneducated, flirtagious....but to say any of them were "dull and insignificant" is just rude to all of they're memory.
LNor19 2 years ago
You are engaging with this particular lineof argument in a very shallowway. Picking on less important points, and my wording.
Calling Janedull and insignificant is not rude, many thoroughly respected historians have called her worse.And you yourself have deemed Anne 'cruel', yet she, like Jane, was kind and charitable to most.
The renaissance had started, but Anne thoroghly accelerated its development.
My point still stands that Anne, her influence and her offspring greatly outshine Jane.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 11
"Shallow" and "Less important" in your opinion.
AB was indeed cruel in her treatment towards Mary & Kat, and to some many others, BUT that is not all she was.
However, your giving AB more credit than she deserves, she was not the reason for the Renaissance in the English court, it had been going on for at least 20 years before she became a spectacle in court.
In regards to AB's offspring, other than image in a ring, Liz was influenced by her father, Cate Parr, and Kat Ashley.
LNor19 2 years ago
I have said the renaissance was underway, however it is greatly achnowledged that Anne through patronage and ideas greatly accelerated its development. Any visit to hampton court or what remain of whitehall will reveal the changes in decor and architecture which occured during Annes time in power. She was highly intelligent and creative, and moved with such grace and poise that it impressed even her enemies.
Elizabeth may not have known her mother, but her blood ran through her veins CONT
kinnoul123 2 years ago 10
This is just a side note, but in regards to fashion:
KoA was a trendsetter during the first half of her reign as Queen, however she became increasely conservative in fashion and color with age.
Jane wore conservative styles but wore rich fabrics, the fashionable contrast it made on her pale complexion was noted by comtemporary sources.
Mary wore many fashions, she even started the high heel trend per her short stature. Her paintings show her enjoyment of rich colors and fabrics.
LNor19 2 years ago
Id also like to see your source for 'fashionable'?
Rich fabrics and colours in a painting are no evidence, she was the QUEEN genius, she had to convey some semse of authority and wealth.
Most sources put her in black sombre clothes at court, and limited embellishments.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 10
My source for "fashionable", as you put it, is from Herbert Norris's 'Tudor Costume and Fashion', if you're interested in Tudor fashion, you can't be without it.
But other sources on Jane, are 'Ordeal By Ambition' by William Seymour & 'Jane Seymour' by Elizabeth Norton.
Katherine can be well read about it in any book, and I've given you sources on Mary, but in addition to Loades & Porter, Judith Richards is also a respectable source on Mary.
LNor19 2 years ago
Im not denying Jane had style and grace, and Katherine was certainly fashion forward from what I have read, but Mary saw fashion and power dressing hand in hand with her role as queen, and was never passionate or forward thinking.
I meant 286 for her 5 years, this is a very high concentration of executions for religious beliefs.
If it werent for the hundreds she slaughtered and her relationship to Henry, she would be barely mentionable. Not like Catherine or Anne.
kinnoul123 2 years ago 11
HOWEVER, if you want to talk about Jane. She is even less remarkable. The epitomy of a plain Jane.
Mousy, quiet, obedient, plain. She contrasted to Anne Boleyn who was dark and fiery. This is why she caught the kings eye-he wanted the opposite of Anne.
The renaissance court flourished under Anne but became very subdued duringJanes reign.
She is remembered as kind to the royal children,somehow contasting to Anne.Yet Mary was a young woman heading a faction which called for Annes downfall, CONT
kinnoul123 2 years ago 9
WOW, at 0:46 it's almost like they are twins, standing beside each other.
KickinSapphire 2 years ago
In all honesties, and please do not hate me for this, Elizabeth wasn't really at all that pretty. Just my opinion though. <3 the vid aside from that.
liveforthemusic2013 2 years ago
wen u c them side by side u can so c they look alike in sum ways they both have the same nose which they got frm henry its a lovly tribute just such a shame they didnt stay close through out their lives
eeyore666999 2 years ago
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boelyn79 2 years ago
Beautiful tribute to these two sisters who thanks to fate were divided as adults. I hope both remembered at their ends the younger years-when they seemed to love each other and got along. I've always liked James I's tribute on their monument (I have read he composed it) 'Two sisters, etc.' It was beautifully thought out imo. James was estranged from his mother no thanks to religion and politics as well. I like to think he felt some empathy towards Mary and Elizabeth's own relationship.
jpmorrison71 2 years ago 3
VERY GOOD VIDEO:))
izulka75 2 years ago
i wonder how they managed to wear all those clothings. wearing 3 layers of tops is a hassle for me.
juliie007 2 years ago 4
I've wondered how Southern women managed as well all the way through to the end of the 19th century what with the hoops, and multiple skirts. I wonder how the weather was in England in those days? Certain cultures, for example some tribal peoples in Africa seemed to sensibly adapt to their environment. All of those multiple layers seem unnatural especially in the heat of the summer.
jpmorrison71 2 years ago
I did check the climate pattern between the 14th -18th/19th century that there was akind of mini ice age. there was even a documentary in historyor discovery channel about it i guess if the weather was always cool throughout it may explain the excessive layering
juliie007 2 years ago 2
I did not know that! A mini ice age-very interesting. It would make sense then-all those layered clothes though the hoops seem more of a fashion thing. :)
jpmorrison71 2 years ago
This is amazingly beautiful a slideshow; the music is enigmatic as it is majestic for these two remarkable women who were queens and half-sisters. May they find peace in the next world since they were not able to in this physical plain due to politics. Lovely work.
InnateNobility 2 years ago 2
Nice video. I like both sisters but I prefer Elizabeth.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
I think that Mary had lovely fashion sense.
gapeachjessica 2 years ago 4
Lovely video. A great tribute to two inspirational women!
musicman278 2 years ago 5
This is a beautiful tribute to the tragic love/hate relationship between two sisters-two queens. 5 Stars! :)
PhillyGal4Ever 3 years ago 3
What a wonderful tribute to the Tudor sisters.
ForEverSnoopy 3 years ago 4
greatly pulled
so alike in dignity yet with different paths and with destiny favoring the other.
great but sad alike
DarkLadyAthena1 3 years ago 2
Very nice song. ^^ Wow they really were similar, this was hard work to make it, good job ^^
BalletGiry 3 years ago
Amazing ! I love the pictures.....plus the music went really well. 5 stars
Ladyjaxs 3 years ago 3