Darwinism On Trial (Phillip E. Johnson)

[baldurus1]

@DawkinsDebunked By that Harris meant that Craig is the ONLY creationist that has any knowledge of science and philosophy, and by any he means barely more than a high-school student. It's really not a compliment to Craig, it's a mockery of his peers.

[whiteliketar]

thank God for people like the speaker. the massive lie of macro -evolution is being exposed every day. Intellectual dishonesty is so insidious - the worse of it occurs in the biology classsroom when the atheist prof begins his opening remarks - athesitic brainwashing 101 at its best -

[stevoandtivo]

I didn't catch an alternative to natural selection in there... Did I miss it? Unless you can offer a better explanation you contribute nothing.

[armandobss]

Este hombre está cegado por su fanatismo. Solo ve lo que quiere ver. Lástima que predique su estupidez, no tiene idea del daño que hace al mundo.

[smallvillewanabe123]

If you want to pose creationism as even a theory, you need actual evidence, not just finding minor not yet understood details about evolution. And the universe doesn't owe you anything. Just because the fact that humans are apes doesn't sound ideal to you or that we have no purpose, doesn't mean its not true

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 - an atheist creating his own little stories about human existence is akin to a savage giving a lecture on the travails of cannibalism. everthing in creation around you is evidence enough. humans are apes? why don't you interract with them socially - perhaps we should let them babysit - how about a pension plan for them - we have 46 genes and they have 48 - so close eh? tobacco has 46 genes and a hare and a syrian hamster has 46 - dingbat

[smallvillewanabe123]

Okay, it is not really up for discussion anymore. I don't want to sound like a dick, but Evolution is now a fact. Scientists don't make any claims on how animals came to existence, but it discusses solely on the fact that species over time can become a new species or branch out. This is undeniable, but even if it turned out evolution is not accurate it does not mean creationism is right. We KNOW the world is not six thousand years old and we KNOW dinosaurs and humans never co-existed.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 ha ha - another brainwashed atheist trying to pass on brainwashing - the ancestor of a dog was a.........dog ...if wolves and dogs can interbreed they are related- your beloved macro-evolution dies on the ground - how many genes must there be all at once for the most most basic life form to exist? do you know? try get educated before you fall for brainwashing.

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Don't call me brainwashed, i've looked at both sides equally and came to the conlusion that fact is obviously more accurate then made up fairy tales. Why do you believe in christianity over Greek Mythology, Taoism etc?

[pimpdarlin]

The story of the wing at 21 minutes is hilarious!

Shows just how silly Darwinism is.

We need to start questioning everything we've been told because there are many reasons we've been taught Darwin, & none of them have anything to do with the truth.

It is important to those with aspirations to rule over us that we think we are shaved down monkeys, disconnected from our Creator, with 95% junk DNA, who have no purpose except to compete & breed.

Yeah, right, whatever...

[metanosis]

@pimpdarlin so true, one angle johnson didn't mention, was the big bucks involved in darwinism, all the grants, etc dependent on keeping the charade going.....

[oxyoke100]

The morons coming up to the mic to opine and ask idiotic questions that have already been answered in the lecture are the best evidence for evolution. Who would believe this many mutated and defective brains could be found in a single auditorium. The transitional forms evolutionist have been looking for have been here right under our nose. But as it so often happens, we have been looking in the wrong places. We should have been looking in auditoriums like this one at Berkeley.

[whiteliketar]

I agree completely - Atheists always seem to be declaring empty victories based on micro-evolution and screaming that it is macro-evolution - these clown are the ones who are actually deluded.

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Atheism is completely different from evolution. Many christians believe in evolution and even some atheists don't believe in evolution. The only reason most Atheists do believe in evolution is because it is actually based evidence and facts. Theirs no religion to alter their opinions.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 ha ha - you mean the madness of macro-evolution is a fact of atheistic imagination. once you quit blanketing micro-evolution with the lies of macro then you see the greatest lie ever to walk around the biology classroom exposed for what it is. sorry ...go drown in your own brainwshing. the speaker is correct.

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar macro- evolution is scientific fact not an atheistic imagination. We know for a fact that humans have evolved from apes, it really isn't a debate let alone brainwash. Scientists do not benefit from anything by disproving creationism. Almost all biologists have come to the same conclusion that macro evolution is a fact and there the one doing the findings not the religious people. Even if evolution is wrong there isn't a shred of proof that creationism is correct.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 ha ha - its only a fact because it can't be questioned because of reprisals - if the other side is allowed to critique ina fair way - your beloved macro- evolution would crumble -. in any case most people don't accept macro-evolution - no can see it - no one can test it - if fails at every level - don't confuse micro-changes for atheist fairy tales. sorry - the speaker is correct

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Sorry but its a fact bc it can be tested and it has. Every respectable bishop and even the last pope accept evolution. The last pope basically said those who don't believe in evolution are ignorant. haha I can't believe you called macro evolution a fairy tale. This is coming from the person who believe God sent himself/son on a suicide mission to redeem our sins because adam and eve ate a forbidden apple because a snake told them too...

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 show me 1 creature today not 3 or 5 or 10 just 1 you can see an obivious transformation to the exterior organs or internal organs where we can see an obivious macro-change happening - you can't? it so small? you need another million years or maybe 50 million awwww too bad. but you have had 4 billion already - just 1 ...please

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar You can't observe evolution directly, we have to look at fossils to understand. You can't observe creationism so why would you even use that point

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar We know that dogs came from wolves, we know dinosaurs didn't walk with humans and we know humans came from apes because we have bones and DNA. If you deny this then this argument is useless. The argument ended years ago because the only thing creationists do is pick at the unknown info about evolution but don't have a shred of evidence for creationism. Even if evolution is wrong, there's no evidence for creationism and definitely no proof that only ONE god did it.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 maybe dinosaurs didn't walk with man ...who knows? have you ever seen a komodo dragon up close? have you ever seen a gaint octoupus up close? you have - in photographs perhaps - why couldn't have dinsoaurs existed on places that man never ventured. there is more evidence for creation than the madness of macro-evolution - do have any idea mathematically the change for a land creature to transform its physiology to breathe under water - re whales- dumb

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar There is absolutely no proof for creationism If there is what is it? I want to be peaceful, so honestly tell me the evidence and if its convincing i'll rethink it. And we know raptors and T-rex's didn't walk with man because they lived millions of years ago and dinosaurs lived all over the world so there would be some historical documentation.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 no God didn't do it - blind chance plus nothing plus billions of years brought everyhthing including the universe into existence from nothing . real smart bird you are- pasteur destroyed spntaneous generation a long time ago. listen to the speaker - he knows a lot more than you

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Blind chance? bringing universe into existence? That's not evolution that's the big bang. Evolution is simply the development of life, not the origination of life. You can believe God created the universe and original life, but that doesn't contradict evolution as long as you accept the fact that after God's creation he let evolution take place. And furthermore no one says that nothing created everything. What created God? And don't say nothing bc he is everything bc thats stupid

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Why do you think that stuff like trees or an eye is too complicated to exist on its own and thus needs a creator, but that created which is infinitely more complex by definition is somehow able to just exist? There is no reason to say that God has always existed, but that matter couldn't have

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 small ideas always to rush in to fill up small minds - maybe an eye just lying there in a pond - who knows - maybe in some imaginary atheist world - but the whole damn thing as part of a massively complex body capable of morality and every other thing mankind is capable of - you need the mathematics of Cantor to explore the realm of the infinite and he ...as great as he was ..lost his mind and ended up in asylum and so it as it should be -

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Who lost his mind? And why do you keep saying atheist? evolution has nothing to do with Atheism. It's science

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 ha ha - are you trying to be naive or does it come naturally?

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Okay, you don't have to be a dick. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God, that has nothing to do with evolution. Yes, obviously more atheist believe in evolution then Christians because Christians want to believe their special, but for me, i'm going to follow the people who actually strive for answers and new knowledge rather then relying on a traditional belief written by a bunch of men 2000 years ago with know actual understanding of the universe.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 actually it's folks with a deep passion for the sciences and math that do the critical thinking on this one - if you can get fired for opening up the classroom to a critique of the atheist love child theory - what do you expect in the hallways of academia - a dictatorship - a severe intellectual dishonesty that has swept through our schools - if they are so confident - why fear hard questions on the subject - macro-evolution can't stand up to it. sorry

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar No*

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar If evolution is just a lie then that is the biggest controversy in the world consisting of most intelligent biologists, paleontologists, and archaeologists in multiple countries all around the world. That to me sounds highly unlikely. This conspiracy would not only be focused on evolution, but it would mean that dinosaur fossils are a lie, and the findings of astronomy are a lie. And you are calling me brainwashed. You trust a hypothesis based on no evidence.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 ask them why teachers that encourage their class to crtique macro-evolution will get threats to be fired - being a bully in academia does mean truth is taught - why teach things like haeckels embryos for close to a century or more when it is acknowledged as a lie - inductive extrapolations based on simple variations or micro-evolution and relying on imagination to do the rest does not prove anything. atheism first and true science second is the way now.

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar No not true at all, that's absurd. First of all, teachers are not threatened to be fired for allowing debates between the two (however, yes they do not promote because it's not worth the time because one is fact and one is false), they are threatened to get fired when they teach it as fact. That's because creationism isn't science. There is no scientific evidence for it therefore it has no right to be called a scientific theory.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 - what's wrong with you? how come you are so naive or deceived about these things? just try to be a teacher in north america and encourage discussions on macro-evolution and see what happens - the truth will come out in the end . Good scientists can only follow a lie for so long. you don't even understand the term empirical judging from your naive comments about scientific theory .

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Also, i know this is a little irrelevant to evolution vs creationism but you seem to constantly link evolution to atheism so i'll ask it anyway. Why do you believe in, i'm assuming the judeo-christian belief? Why is it right while other religions are wrong? There is no more evidence for Christianity then there is the ancient greek or egyptian belief. They all have no evidence and we know that the first religions are false so i'm surprised you follow just another myth

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 whose fault is it that you don't take the time to read the Bible and engage biblical historians . you only have yourself to balme when all you regurgitate is second hand judgements from your fellow atheists - at least start with the basics and see the absolute absurdity of the atheist position of everything from nothing and maybe the madness of macro-evolution ( given enough time the impossible will become the inevitable ) will become apparent .

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Actually I have read the bible, that's what made me an atheist. And atheists and scientists do not say that everything came from nothing the big bang was not from nothing it was a singularity and thats as far as we know so far. And even then, that's as ridiculous as saying an infinite being just somehow exists because that's infinitely less likely than simply saying matter has always existed. You have to be an idiot to believe in creationism. Youre the hopeless one.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 ha ha - you have read the Bible - what does does that have to with understand the Bible or knowing God. your arguments always seem to turn back and bite you - atheist dogma has hurt you bad ...real bad. not sure you can relate to basic priori - repeating like a parrot that God does not exist dosen't make Him go away - sorry

[smallvillewanabe123]

@whiteliketar Please just tell me why I should believe in one God and not multiple Gods like Apollo, Zeus and the titans?

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 as I have inferred many times over - whose fault is it that you have spent the majority of your time filling your brain and your heart with the darkness of athesim. There are enough Biblical historians and christian apologists who can defend the Christian world view quite well. Th evidence for Christ is much more compelling than the atheist god anaolgies like the spaghetti monster, apollo etc. do you at times feel silly - you should. lol

[TheRightOffensive]

@smallvillewanabe123 Do your own homework and stop being so intellectually lazy and weak. Think of yourself. Do the work.

[1970mjim]

@smallvillewanabe123 beleaving multiple gods makes everything true or relative. That is the logic consekvens of such a beleaf. Its eliminating the exictence of absolute thruths. Jahve is saying that he is the only God and he gave his son to the world so that everyone that receives him and beleaves in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. The koran does not teach this but rather declares that allah has no son. God can not have a son and have a son at the very same time. Thats why.

[whiteliketar]

@smallvillewanabe123 - ha ha - if you even understood the madness of macro-evolution you would have said ape-like creature instead of apes. Macro-evolution is dead from the word go - even the most basic life forms need at least 380 genes all at once for life to exist. read Icons of evolution and see how you have bneen brainwashed. the speaker is right

[pureebreeze]

Great lecture. Going to get the book

[Lekozza]

Very interesting. Evolution of the Darwinian style cannot have possibly resulted in the formation of all of nature.

watch?v=00vBqYDBW5s

[SailingMonsoon]

A legal scholar talking about science, making decisions about what is appropriate to consider or not. He opinion is not worth taking seriously. He wants a strong, christian, religious re-birth to occur in this country, and wants everybody to conform to christian laws.

[Entropy56]

@SailingMonsoon Your comment is irrelevant.

[positivedignity]

Philip Jhonson will be a laughing stock 1000 years from now. As science develops and new knowledge spring forth in every research and discovery, his stagnant views informed by is deep indoctrination will become ridiculed just as he ridicule Darwin.

[Crosshair84]

@positivedignity Science has indeed been developing and will continue to develop, the problem is that for the last 100+ years it has been going the wrong way for atheists and naturalists with no sign of reversing. The fact that the universe is not eternal, the fine tuning of the universe, the information found in DNA, evidence that points to a designer, all these are contrary to an atheistic worldview. Just as the evidence destroyed steady state models, so will it destroy Neo-Darwinism.

[positivedignity]

@Crosshair84 Well not a single shred of evidence points toward a creator who claims to be omnipotent - all powerful but solved no human problems, omnipresent - here and there both at the same time but but where? and worst omniscient - all knowing but does not know the sinful actions of future people. The Universe offers humans 5 senses for his own use to discover the mysteries of the Universe, religion however replaced these senses with superstition and replaced reason with wishful thinking

[shs627]

@positivedignity

Well we know that anything that has a beginning has to have a cause (law of causality). The earth had a beginning (big bang) therefore something or someone caused it to happen. And because the big bang created what we know as time, space, and matter, something outside time, space, and matter had to cause it (because there was no time, space, or matter before the big bang, the big bang created it). Therefore we have to look at a supernatural cause which would exist outside time.

[JeenaParadies]

@shs627 what do you mean, like a unicorn or something?

[shs627]

@positivedignity So there is some arguments that make sense toward God. In addition, God knows our future sins, but his whole idea of time is different than ours. If you are assuming a God for sake of argument, then you need to assume he is all-wise for the sake of argument. And if that's the case, he knows what those sins and hard times and sufferings will do for us after, how they will shape us and build character. Suffering isn't a completely bad occurence, unless we choose to see it that way

[STEPHENWRAYSFORD33]

Next thing he'll be telling us that Aids isn't caused by HIV, oh hold on a second....

[arktiro]

He keeps looking at his watch because he is as bored with his lecture as everybody else is.

[Crosshair84]

@arktiro Or because he has to keep track of time to make sure he doesn't go over. Atheist speakers do the same thing, does that mean they are bored with their lecturers too?

If there isn't a timekeeper then the speaker must keep track of their time left. Normally this is done with a clock at the back of the room/on the podium so they don't have to check their watch. Anyone who has taken a public speaking class would know this.

Ridicule isn't an argument, so many atheists seem to think it is.

[arktiro]

@Crosshair84 No, it was a definite case of universal boredom. After all, I've been on a public listening class and Johnson is as boring as bat shit.

[fcdog555]

I don't understand why people still think "Darwinsim" is "on trial" wtf

[ThatOneQuestion]

Johnson is a fool. ID is Creationism repackaged. There is no future for saying "MAGIC MAN DUN IT!"

[Crosshair84]

@ThatOneQuestion As opposed to the Atheist who claims "CHANCE DID IT".

Theist: How do you explain the fine tuning of the universe that allows any life to exist at all?

Athiest: Chance did it.

Theist: How do you explain the thousands of pages of genetic information found in even the simplest single celled organism?

Athiest: Chance did it.

The theist is basing their claims not on what we don't know, but on what we do know. Nature can produce patterns, but only intelligence produces information.

[ThatOneQuestion]

@Crosshair84 Awesome Strawman fallacy. Your post isn't worth the time you took to post it.

[JeenaParadies]

@Crosshair84 what is the difference between patterns and information?

[JeenaParadies]

@Crosshair84 what fine tuning are you talking about? It seems you confuse cause and effect. The universe is not fine tuned for life, but life occurred because it was possible in this universe.

A analogy would be saying: "Water was designed to dissolve salt.", this is obviously not true either, the other way around is more sound: "Salt dissolves in water because, by chance, the waters and it's structure allows it. Also by chance, sand doesn't not dissolve in water because of it's structure."

[GospelHouseKat]

Phillip Johnson nails it..

[buktomsin]

A great con-man... and yes swift lawyer.

[GospelHouseKat]

@buktomsin ad hominem X2 is that all ya got?

[buktomsin]

@GospelHouseKat That's all i need... Nay nay I will add Deuteronomy 13:7-11 aka the bible and what this half-ass con-man stands for is disgusting...To steer the stupid of thats symbolic arguments i'll add Deuteronomy 13:1 so HAHA!

[buktomsin]

@GospelHouseKat ??? Seems like you were not really reading... uhm he is the Dean of I.D.... idk what that means to you, but to most normal humans it means he has a shitty holy book he believes in. Have you ever read about him? or books on the trials? "The Monkey Girl Trial"? "Scopes trial"? do you know anything about this man? anyway his shitty arguments have already been refuted and anything else his "I.D. Squad", can come up with will be, repeatedly proved horribly FALLIBLE and WRONG! XDXDXDXD

[gerontodon]

A great man.

[GospelHouseKat]

@gerontodon Agree.