Jesus was ONLY A MORTAL. He was crucified because he pissed off the Romans, not due to anything else. He wasn't declared to be a "deity" until 3 CENTURIES after his death. And that little decision was made by a handful of ordinary guys.
For God So Loved The World, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Genesis 6:7 -
And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
god knew that jesus was going to die on the cross but that was not gods choses that was not gods will the romans or jews kill jesus not god, they called 911 gods will that was not gods will that was mans will sinning, slavery, war that is not god will that ius mans choice Geerup you are cool i like your videos and belive in what your saying
you compeletly missed the part when he says that your god made jebus knowing for a fact that he was going to die, he made him to die, there was no other perpose for him but to die.
I have red hair and green eyes. My birthday is 6-6 and my mother's birthday is 8-22. In 2006 the world was supposed to end on both of our birthdays. I am The Chosen One from The Dead Sea Scrolls. The Best Friend and Son of God. Byron Heath Shavers, 1-256-599-7558, Route 2, Box 127B, Section, Jackson County, Alabama, 6518, County Road 19, Drag Strip Road, 35771.
The bible is a historical document that can be tried by other documents? The Enquirer is full of stories of actual people that you know are real, and contains actual news and events that you can verify as true. It doesnt mean that it is a good source of information, its still a periodical thats just a piece of garbage.
original manuscripts of christian bible=council of nicea, early fourth century, Roman Empire. Ha s anybody ever read Dune? Paul Atreides is equal to Jesus.
Look...Im driving my car... there is heavy traffic. Im at a red light...the guy next to me runs it...I know..i KNOW he is going to get hit...he does get hit...But my KNOWING didnt MAKE it happen. He knew the law...he broke it...it was HIS choice. KNOWING what will happen does not mean you control it..you have FREE will. It makes no sense what so ever to say that because GOD knows.. means he controls....cont.
what if he didn't get hit? what then? you knew it would happen and it didn't. if god knew all of this evil, sick, disgusting shit would happen, he's a morally bankrupt asshole for making it happen. god can make humans, time, light, and the entire universe in 7 days but he can't control his creations? what a joke. God can't even predict his own feelings, if he did, he wouldn't have flooded the world and killed everyone
GOD is a parent. What do parents do when their children defy them & go against their rules? GOD is not evil, he didnt MAKE evil, he doesnt MAKE you do anything. GOD does not control his creations, for a very simple reason...GOD wants us to love him & true love can not be forced.... You are given this life... You are given rules, laws commandment...ect. YOU choose to obey or not.
You may think the punishment unfair, but what child EVER thought rules or punishment were fair?
So a drunk goat herder was the only one who obeyed his rules, yeah, right.
Yes he did MAKE evil, if he made lucifer, told people to kill and his name, and made the tree of knowledge, and made humans knowing what they were capable of, he made evil. If god is so clueless that he can't foresee that evil would happen, then he's an idiot, I'm sorry
He didnt make evil...the angels have free will just as we do...Lucifer made a choice. The evil is not in the tree of knowledge, but in the act of defying GOD by eating the FORBIDDEN fruit. He created us....but we have CHOICES...We can choose to obey him or not. If we choose not to we are forever punished....But you have all the way up to your last breath to turn to him....If not, Its the lake of fire forever. Its all about choice, free will
why would he make a tree of knowledge in the first place if only bad can come from it? just to see how long it takes for someone to fuck up? If he has a divine plan, and you can choose not to follow it, then it's not a divine plan
If he forces his will on you, you will obey but not love him & THATS what he wants.
Real love cannot be forced. The tree was put there to give them a choice to obey or not. GOD said, you may eat from any tree except the tree of knowledge. Had there been no other choice, it wldnt be free will
Again, apparently god was a moron for forbidding the fruit in the first place if he KNEW they were just going to eat it anyway. Why the hell would he even put the tree there? This is kind of frustrating, it's like you haven't even understood what I've said in previous comments. Please go back and try to absorb the message, I really don't want to do this repeatedly. You're bringing up the same terms and phrases and concepts over and over and over, when I've already covered the subject.
I do understand what you are trying to say....& im answering your questions. You just dont like what im saying. GOD loves us. He wants our love. love cannot be forced, so we have free will. Even tho he knows we will fall, he gives us chance after chance to get back up, to do it right...you are only 18, you dont blv.....But how do you know in 30years if you will change your mind. YOU dont know it...but HE does.
Not so much unfair in this case as illogical. It's not the same as what you're implying. An accurate analogy would be this: You are omniscient. You are considering having a baby, but are not yet pregnant. Now, with your divine foreknowledge you know that if you concieve a child he will be disobedient and disrupt your life. Let's just say for the sake of argument that your kid will be another Ted Bundy. Now, if you KNEW this beforehand, would it be logical for you to consciously have that kid?
Also, it's funny how you say "what child ever thinks there punishment is fair" when you have a video of police brutality as your featured video, by your logic, the police are just punishing those people and they think their punishment is unfair.
Let me ask you this. If you are told by your mother NOT to hit your sister...but you do it anyway....Whose fault is it...yours for disobeying? Or hers for not stopping you, from doing what you were already told not to?
Again, these analogies DO NOT FIT! They do not place me or you in the place of an omniscient, omnipotent being! I'm starting to get very sick and tired of this game, it's like you're impervious to logic, I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but this is going nowhere, you're simply not recieving what I'm trying to convey.
Speaking of God or Jesus or other biblical character is the existant sense from an atheist standpoint does not condemn an argument. It simply keeps one from repitively saying supposed. If your educated enough to make a strong argument Geerup please don't use grammar to try to further your point.
I doubt even you have done this research. I've searched through several sites in a fairly short amount of time trying to keep it as objective as I possibly could and you wouldn't believe what I found. Yes, I'm quite positive you wouldn't believe it, but what I found was the only historical "evidence" we have of Jesus is in the four gospels. Kind of convenient that the only evidence there is of a God is in that God's bestseller eh?
I guess that wasn't fair. There is more evidence of Jesus to be found other than in the four gospels... but it is in other unpublished gospels. And as far as some Christians believe, there is evidence to be found of jesus in the prophecies, even though they never actually mention jesus, just the description of a savior.
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Christ is the son of GOD, & like ALL GODS children...Jesus was given free will. Jesus knew what his fate would be & why. Jesus could have turned away from the will of GOD. Jesus submitted to GOD's will...of his own free will...if he hadnt it would have been pointless.
If god knows what you're going to do, and there's only one possible outcome as per god's plan, then no choice is even a choice because it is predetermined. Talk about pointless, where's the point in making ANYBODY, or even letting anybody be born and live, if everything they do is predetermined and allowed to happen? If that's how it is, there is no such thing as choice. Either god has an infallible plan, or there's free will and he doesn't. At some point you have to think logically here.
Its called free will. GOD knows what you will do...but the choice is yours. He doesnt control what you do...Him KNOWING what you will do, is NOT the same as having no choice. We are given this life...there are "rules"..but you have the CHOICE to live by his rules or not. We are given free will, because GOD wants our love...true love is not forced...so we have a choice. Knowing what will happen, & controling what will happen are 2 different things. He does have a plan.. but its up 2 you.
Man, if god knows what you WILL DO, then there is something that you WILL DO NO MATTER WHAT. If that is the case, you have NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER. What you will do is what you WILL DO, and you couldn't change it. So no, under god's plan, you have NO CHOICE IN ANYTHING, because there is only one stream of events that WILL HAPPEN. Do you understand? Please thumb up this comment if you understand this, people...
And anothe thing, if you know what will happen in the universe before you create it, then you are controlling it, so that argument doesn't work. If you know 100% positively for a fact that something will happen to something you create, and you create it anyway, you are the one responsible for the entire mess. Apparently god doesn't know how to think worth a shit if he just made the world with all the imperfections and suffering in mind. Either he's an idiot, a sadist, powerless, or non-existant.
When my son was 2 years old...he was jumping on the couch...I told him to stop or you will get hurt. He chose not to listen to me...he chose to keep jumping...he fell & smacked his head on the table. Now I KNEW that would happen... I TOLD him NOT to do it.. He CHOSE to do it anyway...& got hurt But I didnt MAKE it happen....Knowing & controling are not the samething no matter HOW many times you say that it is.
Well then if you 100% positively KNEW he would do it, and you let him do it, then it's just as much your fault as his for allowing it to happen. And you keep forgetting to realize that in this case knowing and controlling are the SAME THING.
Like I said...you can SAY knowing something is the same as controling it..all you want but it doesnt make it so.... You have free will, YOU choose to do things. If he was controling us, then we wld ALL love him, ALL follow the rules & NEVER stray. You dont blv because you dont want to...thats your CHOICE. Have a good one.
But they ARE THE SAME in this case! If he had foreknowledge of everything that would ever come to pass, including what people would do, and obviously the power to actually make all of that happen, then he is responsible for it because it was 1) it was never going to happen unless he made the universe, and 2) more concisely, he opted not to use his power to stop the bad things from happening. In fact, he WANTS these bad things to happen apparently, if he included them in his plan. Just think....
You are missing the point of free will. If he were to stop people from doing things, it would not be free will. He does not want these things to happen, He gave us rules to live by & then gave us free will to follow those rules, to follow him...or Not to follow. He gave us free will because he wanted our LOVE. Real love can not be forced.... If I came up to you on the street & TOLD you...your in love with me....would you fall in love? Knowing a thing & controling...2 different things.
Okay, before this goes any further, I have to go to square one so we have an equal understanding, it looks like we're just running in a circle now. I would like to ask one simple question: Do you believe that god is omniscient in that he knows all that passes, has passed, or that will come to pass forever?
I cant pretend to know everything..I dont. I cant pretend to understand it all...I dont.
But look at it this way. Science has figured out how to split the atom...which is the MOST powerful "explosive" known to man. So why, if the world came from the "big bang", havent they figured out how to do it & create another earth? If GOD didnt create us...then we evolved....or so the theory of evolution says....If thats true, where is the missing link?.....cont.
If I am remembering right, they are working on possibly recreating such an atomic event with the LHC. But I don't get the point of you saying that. That's like saying "oh, well science has figured out how to make cars to transport us, so why haven't they found a way to teleport us yet?". I assume you eat. Why then, haven't you figured out how to make a pill that you only have to take once a day instead of eating? As for where's "the" missing link, every link we find is, well, a link. if you...
wanted to find EVERY SINGLE ONE, you'd have to find a fossilized specimen of EVERY SINGLE SPECIES EVER. Since certain conditions are required for fossilization, that is simply not going to happen. Judging by your wording at the end there, I'm guessing you don't know about any transitional forms we've already found. Maybe you should watch AaronRa's vids about transitional forms.
You are talking in circles. What im saying IS...science has a theory..That they havent PROVEN....we evolved??? Where is the proof?? I cld sit here for a month of sundays & read the bible to you. What it comes down to is faith...its that simple. You dont HAVE to blv, thats free will. If you really have questions, I wld say talk to a preacher, talk to MANY preachers & in the end decide for yourself. For me, I have faith In GOD & CHRIST.
Well if it all comes down to believing things that have not been and probably can not be proven true, you can count me out. I am just not interested in feeling my way through the crossroads of life. I'd rather think my way through the important segments than make decisions based on faith. That is simply illogical.
Its not "feeling" your way thru....we are given "rules" to live by. But it is your right to decide, what you blv & dont....What you have faith in or dont. Please blv Im not trying to shove anything on you. Im just trying to answer the questions you have asked. In the end its all up to you.
Like I said before, He gave us "rules" to live by...but the flesh is weak, & we strayed from the "path"....We should all be condemned to the lake of fire... BUT, GOD so loved us, He sent his ONLY son to pay for our sins. Jesus said I am the way, the truth & the life
Well, I'm tempted to just say "because he DOESN'T exist", but that's not what this is about. For one thing, something should be proven to exist first before anybody can ever disprove it, so disproving something that hasn't been supposedly proven is impossible. And no, I'm not "refusing to acknowledge free will", it's there, I aknowledge it just fine. And you're right, he doesn't MAKE you do any action, but if he forsaw you doing it with his omniscience, then it's apparently part of his plan.
No one comes to the father except thru me (our faith in christ) Jesus was sent to pay for our sins & he did so WILLINGLY...He had free will & could have turned from his fathers plan...but he didnt. He sufferd & died so that we might know GOD. You dont have to blv...but GOD is about love...you DO decide your fate... & GOD may not stop us from being tempted...BUT he will never allow us to be tempted passed our ability to turn away. Just think about it.
Why did you avoid my question, why do you keep changin the subject, and why do you keep avoiding the issue at hand? And again, you have failed to make a valid argument here. It is all fluff, devoid of substance or meaning, or even proof.
Good, now, next question: Do you believe that god is omnipotent, in that he has the power to do whatever he wishes whenever he wishes in any way that he wishes?
You're right, you didn't make it happen, but this is another false analogy. god supposedly created EVERYTHING necessary for EVERYTHING to ever happen. You just had the kid. You didn't make the couch, the room, the table, etc., and you definitely didn't make them all with the plan of the kid bumping his head on the table. In the case of god, apparently he DID want your son to get hurt, seeing so he knew about it from the get-go and was okay with it. Unless of course you SAW him try to stop it...
& how in the HELL does giving someone free will make you responsible for what they do. Whats going on right here in this conversation is very simple. You WANT there to be no GOD..no AFTER..no accountability. You WANT the messes you make, or the mistakes..or the hurt you cause others, the wrongs...to be someone elses fault. NO one is perfect...we ALL make mistakes, sin, hurt, say & do the wrong thing... but we can ALL be forgiven.
It's not JUST giving free will, he also supposedly KNOWS WHAT CHOICES YOU WILL MAKE!! So in every instance where you're already predestined to do something bad, god's NOT giving you the choice to do it or not do it. He's allowing you to do it, not doing it is not going to happen, so it's not a choice, and yes, god IS responsible for that. And quit trying to appeal to my emotions and acting like you know me. Either you have an argument or you do not. Apparently you do not. And sin is relative.
I read your profile. on it you think the quote "If GOD is real, he has the shitiest plan ever"...... You blv that..or at least think it. But heres the thing. How do you know?? You dont know what his plan is for you...your not living it. so how do you know its shitty?....Hmm...
Seeing so as he's supposedly omnipotent and omniscient, everything that is happening and that has happened is also his plan. Stuff like the Holocaust, every single genocide, every single war, every single murder or rape or enslavement, every single bad thing that has ever happened is a part of his "divine plan". Therefore, I say that his plan sucks. And I will never take the stupid notion that "oh, god's too beyond us, we can't criticize him because we don't understand him". Why follow him then?
what a fool! there is no evidence other then religious texts to support the claim that jesus was real!
OF ALL THE TEXTS ABOUT BIRTHS DEATHS HISTORICAL EVENTS ECT.. FROM THAT TIME DO NOT MENTION HIM!
so GEERUP is saying that all other relgious texts from thousands of years before "jesus" and after are false and can not be trusted BUT his book can be trusted as historical FACT! what a FOOL!
As I see it, Jesus could have existed, however not to the extent he is portrayed in the bible. He could have been a simple man who wanted to help others, and the writers of the bible added things like walking on water or resurrection to make his story more appealing and having greater impact.
A real Jesus could have been like Ghandi, however there is too much of Jesus backstory that comes from other cultures around the area and for that its authenticity is debatable.
And the funny thing about the dead sea scrolls, is they were written by people that lived right there during the alleged time of Christ, but yet do not mention your jesus at all. Sorry guy, no evidence of a historical jesus exist. what you go by is hearsay written many years later by people that never personally witnessed a jesus.
L O L no historical evidence of Jesus? we been finding evidence on Jesus for decades, centuries even. I can't believe that this lie is actually growing lol. For years, its been an accepted fact that Jesus was historical, if you don't believe anything a person will say yeah Jesus was here lol. You can say the same about Alexander the great, Abraham Lincoln, Richard the Lionheart, etc. Really man your a piece of work if you believe that Jesus was never here :p lol.
3. The fact remains no one whom ever met jesus, or jesus himself, ever wrote down anything at all, there his no historical record. period. you go by rumours only, not historical fact. gullible
No eye witness documents exist! STOP LYING FOR JESUS
There are real physical places that exist, and placing where one thinks a story might have taken place. It in no ways proves anything. especially scince around that time lots of people were crucified, buried in tombs, and anyone thought to regain jerusalem was called a messiah.
You shouldn't ignore what I said about the dead sea scrolls. That;s your real historical documents, and archaeological evidence.
Got the bible, dead sea scrolls, the eye witness documents from people at the time, etc there's no point when all you've done is say NO THAT CAN'T BE etc lol your just in denial there's no point in arguing with someone who is so dead set against it.
If you are serious, and what to go over each historians claim. and actually look at who they are,m when they lived, what they said. and you really want to know what you base this on. meet me here:
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and we can go over each claim. and maybe you will actually know what the claims are.
what a fool! there is no evidence other then religious texts to support the claim that jesus was real!
OF ALL THE TEXTS ABOUT BIRTHS DEATHS HISTORICAL EVENTS ECT.. FROM THAT TIME DO NOT MENTION HIM!
so GEERUP is saying that all other relgious texts from thousands of years before "jesus" and after are false and can not be trusted BUT his book can be trusted as historical FACT! what a FOOL!
WOW
NOW LOOK MATE THEIR ARE ZERO EYE WITNESS ACOUNTS OF JESUS OUT SIDE OF THE BIBLE/RELIOUS TEXTS!
dont ignore the rea stuff, and just make up lies for jesus
come back when you actually do the homework. I dont debate people that just make up bullshit off the top off their heads, bs that is in no way true whatsoever, have a nice life, gullible
how am I lying? All you have to do simply is go google it, go to muesems, go ask a historian lol If I gave you what I know it wouldn't matter because you need to see it so its best you go look because like I said most historians will disagree and I say most because I haven't heard a historian that disagree but I am sure there might be one.
It seems like you just keep asserting most "historians", many "historians". I think that you lack any justifiable names. My best friend just graduated with his Masters(?, maybe working on it) in ancient history. He knows WAAAAAY more about this than either you or I. He considers the Bible a piece of historical myth, as do "most" respected historians in the field. Onesuch example is Burton L. Mack. Wiki him.
2. 40-120 years after his death is pretty long. I'm 21 and I can't remember every word I said 2 days ago. Yet Jesus' words are "perfectly" dictated.
3. Name a historian. (not a biased one. there's a reason why certain "historians don't count. They just assert things as true without justification, because they want it to be true.)
You're wrong. The oldest known Old Testament was found in the dead sea scroll documents. which were written during 200 BCE all the way up to 70 AD
Those are teh scrolls you refer to, and there are many passages not found in any of today's bibles. You do not have all of the bible, you never read all of the oldest known bible, bec it hasnt been released to the public, not fully.
Historians can't get history right that just happened last century. Look at the Great Depression and all the myths that surround FDR's New Deal getting us out of the Depression. Thats a good example, and that happened 80 years ago. Besides the bible was written by man, and Jesus was just some dude. If there is a god these bullshit man made religions are an an insult to his/her/it's magnificence and people that follow these man made religions are probably pissing him off.
Yeah, Christ had to die for Man to be redeemed, but God had no part in his death. All you have to do is read the gospels to see the members of the Sanhedrin plotting on Jesus to kill him. They were afraid of Jesus because he was building up a larger following then they, so out of jealously, they had him crucified. Again, God had no part in this. However children, He was able to use their evil intentions to bring about the redemption of mankind, and now the ball is in our court.
I don't get mad at people when they say that Jesus committed suicide, which Tommy seems to be saying here. But, I do hope that the come to the truth of of the Gospel before they breath their last...
most ppl don't deny existence of Jesus.However if one follows the historical evolution of bible, one quickly realises how early churches omitted many gospels, including gospels from AD 50 to AD 100. One must ask why, during the canonical process, the bible via translation, rejected historically significant documentation? I have read some of these gospels and understand clearly why this occurred. They question the resurrection and portray Jesus as an earthly man with a political mission.
It always cracks me up how man (Tommy) acts so holy and accuses a holy holy holy God of being evil. lol Man has become so arrogant that now atheists are questioning God as if they are so holy. Arrogance in its purest form is atheism.
Wow,you say these things as if you knew them for a fact. History proves that Jesus Christ existed. Its fact that the book of Luke is the most historically accurate book in the world. Exodus is a completely fabricated book? really? "Although not apparent at first glance, the biblical account of the Exodus contains many tiny details that place it within a distinct historical and chronological context. Those who ignore this evidence refuse to give the biblical record a fair hearing." Mario Seiglie
You are quoting the United Church of God Pastor Mario Seiglie!! The man who the Traditional Values Coalition has chosen "TO HELP SLAY THE DEMON OF EVOLUTION."!?
This is the source for your knowledge base?
The well from which you perceive you draw valid scientific and historic information?
When you value real truth & not just substantiation for your mythical dictates, then look to real historians and scientists. Lots of them! Not the creationist "literature" you obviously use now.
Major problem in Tommy's argument is that the Christian case has the evidence to back it up. There is a lot of information out there for to peruse of their own volition. At the end of the day, it is a choice.
Of course, as Ken Ham said, if you deny one part of the Bible, why not deny it altogether?
Ok first of all when did I even say I had a faith? second of all when i did I mention ANYTHING about evolution and thirdly when did I say I believe. I watched the video and GEERUP made a complete dick of himself trying to prove tommy wrong when of course he couldn't. I simply said I dont need to say anything tommy's pretty much proved how wrong GEERUP is.
First off don't you DARE!! say i know nuthin bout christianity. For TWO years i was a christian and im talking heavy believing christian born again!! And second why do i believe we evolved from apes? Scientific facts and data, fossil samples and DNA. And i mean the fact that evolution has been proven over and over and over again. Hopefully i'm done with you now
Fossils are not proof for evolution. they do not prove that they gave birth to a different species or had babies. all they prove is something got squished.
"DNA"
why on Gods earth do you think that DNA is proof for evolution? You do realise that just because we know how a television works ..that does not mean the television evolved from a radio via a big bang billions of years ago.
"evolution has been proven over and over and over again"
This is unfortunately for you where your ignorance and fanaticism of your faith shows. evolution is a theory. it has never been proven and never will be.
if you want to be ignorant of logic and reason then you do that..but don't call your daft voodoo faith part of science.
*sigh* you are seriously stupid, if you wanna know all the scientific facts and data and DNA and etc. use google or ask jeeves and you will find all the facts right there in front of you. gah you christians jeez
so you don't have ONE fact that you can offer to tell me about your magical rock faith?
come on, if you are seriously going to accept that you are related to cucumbers, aids, Ebola virus, donkeys, bananas and cucumbers via a common ancestor and magic morphing than at least show me one FACT that is without doubt.
science is what we can observe and repeat. as in gravity..not a fish evolving into a monkey or a cow evolving into a whale.
I love this Video 50 stars... Tommy is a good guy...It does my heart good to see videos of this caliber. Great, Wonderful Work Sable and Geerup...Absolutely astounding!!!The Best example of meekness and Humility I have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Educated christians should admit Evolution happened. But of course....they don't. BTW. Even if Jesus existed, and was crucified. Tell me.....what does it prove?
I have no faith in Evolution. It's based of FACTS, not Feelings. Faith is not even in the equation. You do understand what the word, theory, means in Science.... right?
No you. Really. Wake up. There are many stupider theories you could attack. Like the theory of general relativity. Says time goes slower if you travel faster. How crazy is that?
Or that its actually impossible to know a subatomic particle's speed, direction and location all at once?
Makes my head hurt, but doesn't stop them being right. Yes, its pretty mindblowing that we're related to every other living creature (tremendously distantly mostly) but its something you should probably get used to.
I beg to differ - it seems that you're the one not thinking critically. Your sole argument seems to be "I find the idea that I share an ancestor with every other living thing, however distantly, unpalatable. Therefore, it is wrong".
You also seem to think that all the evidence for evolution is fraudulent, which rather assumes a massive multidisciplinary conspiracy to hinder human knowledge, frequently (mostly) perpetrated by religious people, for no apparent reason. This is not likely, is it?
fraud is fraud. such as Java Man Nebraska Man Geologic column only exists in books Fossils do not prove evolution Ernst Henckle embryology fraud Vestigial structures whales evolving from cows dinosaurs evolving into birds lmao give me your best proof for your faith..and tell me from where matter came from.
No point, whatever I say you'll write off as fraud (why a deliberate lie rather than a genuine mistake?) Apparently usually from nothing more than personal incredulity. I'm disappointed you didn't mention Piltdown Man, actually, as I live just down the road from Piltdown.
Show me where someone said whales evolved from cows, by the way, and I'll show you a Creationist liar, since they're the only ones who ever say this.
You don't have to SEE someone commit murder to KNOW they are guilty. You look at the evidence. You choose not to because you are ignorant to the FACTS around you. I woke up a while back when I realized I couldn't justify my beliefs with logic and reason.
May your magic man commit more Genocide, Child murder, rape and slavery.(you did read the old testament, right?)
Umm..... NO. Not ALL murderers admit squat. Not ALL murders have witnesses. You do realize that...right? Tell me why your magic book carries more wieght than ANY other religion. BTW. I got your Kid!!
"NO. Not ALL murderers admit squat. Not ALL murders have witnesses. You do realize that.right?"
are you tying to fool yourself or me? are you for real? nobody has EVER SEEN ANY KIND OF CREATURE PRODUCE A NEW SPECIES
This is one of the foundations for your faith. what exploded in the big bang, and where did the energy come from? where did matter come from? how did chemicals evolve?
How did amoeba evolve from rocks? how did amoeba come alive.what flavour is primordial soup?
Jesus was ONLY A MORTAL. He was crucified because he pissed off the Romans, not due to anything else. He wasn't declared to be a "deity" until 3 CENTURIES after his death. And that little decision was made by a handful of ordinary guys.
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temporaryfailure4444 5 months ago
Jesus did exist, but was he the son of God? No.
bloodmercs 10 months ago
@bloodmercs Yes.
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@kevinyankee2 No he was not the son of God.
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@bloodmercs What makes you think that?
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Jesus christ Geerup, off topic much?
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Wow, you are amazingly retarded.
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John 3:16 -
For God So Loved The World, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Genesis 6:7 -
And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
CrazyVideoGameDude 1 year ago
historicity is a word in the dictionary I just checked it thanks geerup
silverfox2358 1 year ago
Wow, he just admitted Christians make things up by saying that they 'see things in their minds'.
Nocturnalux 1 year ago
god knew that jesus was going to die on the cross but that was not gods choses that was not gods will the romans or jews kill jesus not god, they called 911 gods will that was not gods will that was mans will sinning, slavery, war that is not god will that ius mans choice Geerup you are cool i like your videos and belive in what your saying
soothingspirt17 1 year ago
Sheep? Delicious!
Noah2112 1 year ago
Geerup is a troll lol!
JuggB 1 year ago
making up word man.....historicity............Ah you are a bible thump-er
fundaMENTAL christian ......different from the 1000 other types of christian
par for the coarse MAKING thing up to fit you ideals
swinewarrior 2 years ago 2
you compeletly missed the part when he says that your god made jebus knowing for a fact that he was going to die, he made him to die, there was no other perpose for him but to die.
TylerHmm 2 years ago
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1brutaldeath 2 years ago
And I admire you, as a believer in gods, or god,, for not censoring this channel.
Be good.
AllahSucketh 2 years ago
I love your background
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TheChosenOneSonOfGod 2 years ago
The bible is a historical document that can be tried by other documents? The Enquirer is full of stories of actual people that you know are real, and contains actual news and events that you can verify as true. It doesnt mean that it is a good source of information, its still a periodical thats just a piece of garbage.
therecanbeonlywon 2 years ago
geerup..did you just say God is in your head?...lol
Adrain30 2 years ago
I learned a new word today:" historosity " ...YAY...
Adrain30 2 years ago
original manuscripts of christian bible=council of nicea, early fourth century, Roman Empire. Ha s anybody ever read Dune? Paul Atreides is equal to Jesus.
killCrsiller45 2 years ago
Jesus was but a man, immortalized and deified by the catholic and orthodox church. There was a jesus but he was no immortal.
killCrsiller45 2 years ago
Geerup...why are you dressed like a scottish shepherd?
Dawg126 2 years ago 2
Look...Im driving my car... there is heavy traffic. Im at a red light...the guy next to me runs it...I know..i KNOW he is going to get hit...he does get hit...But my KNOWING didnt MAKE it happen. He knew the law...he broke it...it was HIS choice. KNOWING what will happen does not mean you control it..you have FREE will. It makes no sense what so ever to say that because GOD knows.. means he controls....cont.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Sorry, did YOU make the law? Are you god? Then this is not an accurate analogy, is it?
338dmac 2 years ago
what if he didn't get hit? what then? you knew it would happen and it didn't. if god knew all of this evil, sick, disgusting shit would happen, he's a morally bankrupt asshole for making it happen. god can make humans, time, light, and the entire universe in 7 days but he can't control his creations? what a joke. God can't even predict his own feelings, if he did, he wouldn't have flooded the world and killed everyone
fakeham 2 years ago
GOD is a parent. What do parents do when their children defy them & go against their rules? GOD is not evil, he didnt MAKE evil, he doesnt MAKE you do anything. GOD does not control his creations, for a very simple reason...GOD wants us to love him & true love can not be forced.... You are given this life... You are given rules, laws commandment...ect. YOU choose to obey or not.
You may think the punishment unfair, but what child EVER thought rules or punishment were fair?
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
So a drunk goat herder was the only one who obeyed his rules, yeah, right.
Yes he did MAKE evil, if he made lucifer, told people to kill and his name, and made the tree of knowledge, and made humans knowing what they were capable of, he made evil. If god is so clueless that he can't foresee that evil would happen, then he's an idiot, I'm sorry
fakeham 2 years ago
He didnt make evil...the angels have free will just as we do...Lucifer made a choice. The evil is not in the tree of knowledge, but in the act of defying GOD by eating the FORBIDDEN fruit. He created us....but we have CHOICES...We can choose to obey him or not. If we choose not to we are forever punished....But you have all the way up to your last breath to turn to him....If not, Its the lake of fire forever. Its all about choice, free will
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
why would he make a tree of knowledge in the first place if only bad can come from it? just to see how long it takes for someone to fuck up? If he has a divine plan, and you can choose not to follow it, then it's not a divine plan
fakeham 2 years ago 2
If he forces his will on you, you will obey but not love him & THATS what he wants.
Real love cannot be forced. The tree was put there to give them a choice to obey or not. GOD said, you may eat from any tree except the tree of knowledge. Had there been no other choice, it wldnt be free will
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Again, apparently god was a moron for forbidding the fruit in the first place if he KNEW they were just going to eat it anyway. Why the hell would he even put the tree there? This is kind of frustrating, it's like you haven't even understood what I've said in previous comments. Please go back and try to absorb the message, I really don't want to do this repeatedly. You're bringing up the same terms and phrases and concepts over and over and over, when I've already covered the subject.
338dmac 2 years ago
I do understand what you are trying to say....& im answering your questions. You just dont like what im saying. GOD loves us. He wants our love. love cannot be forced, so we have free will. Even tho he knows we will fall, he gives us chance after chance to get back up, to do it right...you are only 18, you dont blv.....But how do you know in 30years if you will change your mind. YOU dont know it...but HE does.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Not so much unfair in this case as illogical. It's not the same as what you're implying. An accurate analogy would be this: You are omniscient. You are considering having a baby, but are not yet pregnant. Now, with your divine foreknowledge you know that if you concieve a child he will be disobedient and disrupt your life. Let's just say for the sake of argument that your kid will be another Ted Bundy. Now, if you KNEW this beforehand, would it be logical for you to consciously have that kid?
338dmac 2 years ago
Also, it's funny how you say "what child ever thinks there punishment is fair" when you have a video of police brutality as your featured video, by your logic, the police are just punishing those people and they think their punishment is unfair.
fakeham 2 years ago
That is not "funny" at all, for one...they are violating MANS LAW...Which gives me certain rights. AND we are not THEIR children.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
So we should be able to do that stuff to our kids? That really doesn't help your argument...
338dmac 2 years ago
well, god let them do it so he must have thought it was funny.
fakeham 2 years ago
No, GOD did not allow them to do it. He gave them free will...they were given the right to decide for themselves.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Let me ask you this. If you are told by your mother NOT to hit your sister...but you do it anyway....Whose fault is it...yours for disobeying? Or hers for not stopping you, from doing what you were already told not to?
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Again, these analogies DO NOT FIT! They do not place me or you in the place of an omniscient, omnipotent being! I'm starting to get very sick and tired of this game, it's like you're impervious to logic, I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but this is going nowhere, you're simply not recieving what I'm trying to convey.
338dmac 2 years ago
I will understand if you wish to end the topic...
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Speaking of God or Jesus or other biblical character is the existant sense from an atheist standpoint does not condemn an argument. It simply keeps one from repitively saying supposed. If your educated enough to make a strong argument Geerup please don't use grammar to try to further your point.
craborama 2 years ago
So funny how they actually refer to themselves as sheep!
MoralAtheist1 2 years ago
he's actually admitting in the end that god is a voice in the head... priceless :)
theres a name for the disease/mental disorder ;)
long since ive heard anyone admitting it..
mollen19 2 years ago
actually to be fair i have a voice in my head aswell.. im just convinced its me / my CONSCIENCE and not god.
mollen19 2 years ago
"biblical evidence" now theres an oxymoron.
Rockster969 2 years ago 2
I doubt even you have done this research. I've searched through several sites in a fairly short amount of time trying to keep it as objective as I possibly could and you wouldn't believe what I found. Yes, I'm quite positive you wouldn't believe it, but what I found was the only historical "evidence" we have of Jesus is in the four gospels. Kind of convenient that the only evidence there is of a God is in that God's bestseller eh?
notbill9465 2 years ago
I guess that wasn't fair. There is more evidence of Jesus to be found other than in the four gospels... but it is in other unpublished gospels. And as far as some Christians believe, there is evidence to be found of jesus in the prophecies, even though they never actually mention jesus, just the description of a savior.
notbill9465 2 years ago
I'm so glad you refer to yourself as a sheep.
notbill9465 2 years ago
you make us christians look so bad, please just go away!
Ashley11021 2 years ago
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Christ is the son of GOD, & like ALL GODS children...Jesus was given free will. Jesus knew what his fate would be & why. Jesus could have turned away from the will of GOD. Jesus submitted to GOD's will...of his own free will...if he hadnt it would have been pointless.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
If god knows what you're going to do, and there's only one possible outcome as per god's plan, then no choice is even a choice because it is predetermined. Talk about pointless, where's the point in making ANYBODY, or even letting anybody be born and live, if everything they do is predetermined and allowed to happen? If that's how it is, there is no such thing as choice. Either god has an infallible plan, or there's free will and he doesn't. At some point you have to think logically here.
338dmac 2 years ago
Its called free will. GOD knows what you will do...but the choice is yours. He doesnt control what you do...Him KNOWING what you will do, is NOT the same as having no choice. We are given this life...there are "rules"..but you have the CHOICE to live by his rules or not. We are given free will, because GOD wants our love...true love is not forced...so we have a choice. Knowing what will happen, & controling what will happen are 2 different things. He does have a plan.. but its up 2 you.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Man, if god knows what you WILL DO, then there is something that you WILL DO NO MATTER WHAT. If that is the case, you have NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER. What you will do is what you WILL DO, and you couldn't change it. So no, under god's plan, you have NO CHOICE IN ANYTHING, because there is only one stream of events that WILL HAPPEN. Do you understand? Please thumb up this comment if you understand this, people...
338dmac 2 years ago
And anothe thing, if you know what will happen in the universe before you create it, then you are controlling it, so that argument doesn't work. If you know 100% positively for a fact that something will happen to something you create, and you create it anyway, you are the one responsible for the entire mess. Apparently god doesn't know how to think worth a shit if he just made the world with all the imperfections and suffering in mind. Either he's an idiot, a sadist, powerless, or non-existant.
338dmac 2 years ago
When my son was 2 years old...he was jumping on the couch...I told him to stop or you will get hurt. He chose not to listen to me...he chose to keep jumping...he fell & smacked his head on the table. Now I KNEW that would happen... I TOLD him NOT to do it.. He CHOSE to do it anyway...& got hurt But I didnt MAKE it happen....Knowing & controling are not the samething no matter HOW many times you say that it is.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Well then if you 100% positively KNEW he would do it, and you let him do it, then it's just as much your fault as his for allowing it to happen. And you keep forgetting to realize that in this case knowing and controlling are the SAME THING.
338dmac 2 years ago
Like I said...you can SAY knowing something is the same as controling it..all you want but it doesnt make it so.... You have free will, YOU choose to do things. If he was controling us, then we wld ALL love him, ALL follow the rules & NEVER stray. You dont blv because you dont want to...thats your CHOICE. Have a good one.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
But they ARE THE SAME in this case! If he had foreknowledge of everything that would ever come to pass, including what people would do, and obviously the power to actually make all of that happen, then he is responsible for it because it was 1) it was never going to happen unless he made the universe, and 2) more concisely, he opted not to use his power to stop the bad things from happening. In fact, he WANTS these bad things to happen apparently, if he included them in his plan. Just think....
338dmac 2 years ago
You are missing the point of free will. If he were to stop people from doing things, it would not be free will. He does not want these things to happen, He gave us rules to live by & then gave us free will to follow those rules, to follow him...or Not to follow. He gave us free will because he wanted our LOVE. Real love can not be forced.... If I came up to you on the street & TOLD you...your in love with me....would you fall in love? Knowing a thing & controling...2 different things.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Okay, before this goes any further, I have to go to square one so we have an equal understanding, it looks like we're just running in a circle now. I would like to ask one simple question: Do you believe that god is omniscient in that he knows all that passes, has passed, or that will come to pass forever?
338dmac 2 years ago
You are simply refusing to aknowledge FREE WILL...... You make the choice. He does NOT make you do it. & Yes I do believe He knows all.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
True, he doesn't make you do it, rather he makes you TO do it. So what's the difference?
338dmac 2 years ago
I cant pretend to know everything..I dont. I cant pretend to understand it all...I dont.
But look at it this way. Science has figured out how to split the atom...which is the MOST powerful "explosive" known to man. So why, if the world came from the "big bang", havent they figured out how to do it & create another earth? If GOD didnt create us...then we evolved....or so the theory of evolution says....If thats true, where is the missing link?.....cont.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
If I am remembering right, they are working on possibly recreating such an atomic event with the LHC. But I don't get the point of you saying that. That's like saying "oh, well science has figured out how to make cars to transport us, so why haven't they found a way to teleport us yet?". I assume you eat. Why then, haven't you figured out how to make a pill that you only have to take once a day instead of eating? As for where's "the" missing link, every link we find is, well, a link. if you...
338dmac 2 years ago
wanted to find EVERY SINGLE ONE, you'd have to find a fossilized specimen of EVERY SINGLE SPECIES EVER. Since certain conditions are required for fossilization, that is simply not going to happen. Judging by your wording at the end there, I'm guessing you don't know about any transitional forms we've already found. Maybe you should watch AaronRa's vids about transitional forms.
338dmac 2 years ago
You are talking in circles. What im saying IS...science has a theory..That they havent PROVEN....we evolved??? Where is the proof?? I cld sit here for a month of sundays & read the bible to you. What it comes down to is faith...its that simple. You dont HAVE to blv, thats free will. If you really have questions, I wld say talk to a preacher, talk to MANY preachers & in the end decide for yourself. For me, I have faith In GOD & CHRIST.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Well if it all comes down to believing things that have not been and probably can not be proven true, you can count me out. I am just not interested in feeling my way through the crossroads of life. I'd rather think my way through the important segments than make decisions based on faith. That is simply illogical.
338dmac 2 years ago
Its not "feeling" your way thru....we are given "rules" to live by. But it is your right to decide, what you blv & dont....What you have faith in or dont. Please blv Im not trying to shove anything on you. Im just trying to answer the questions you have asked. In the end its all up to you.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Like I said before, He gave us "rules" to live by...but the flesh is weak, & we strayed from the "path"....We should all be condemned to the lake of fire... BUT, GOD so loved us, He sent his ONLY son to pay for our sins. Jesus said I am the way, the truth & the life
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
can i ask you a question? why are you so driven to prove that he doesnt exist?
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Well, I'm tempted to just say "because he DOESN'T exist", but that's not what this is about. For one thing, something should be proven to exist first before anybody can ever disprove it, so disproving something that hasn't been supposedly proven is impossible. And no, I'm not "refusing to acknowledge free will", it's there, I aknowledge it just fine. And you're right, he doesn't MAKE you do any action, but if he forsaw you doing it with his omniscience, then it's apparently part of his plan.
338dmac 2 years ago
No one comes to the father except thru me (our faith in christ) Jesus was sent to pay for our sins & he did so WILLINGLY...He had free will & could have turned from his fathers plan...but he didnt. He sufferd & died so that we might know GOD. You dont have to blv...but GOD is about love...you DO decide your fate... & GOD may not stop us from being tempted...BUT he will never allow us to be tempted passed our ability to turn away. Just think about it.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Why did you avoid my question, why do you keep changin the subject, and why do you keep avoiding the issue at hand? And again, you have failed to make a valid argument here. It is all fluff, devoid of substance or meaning, or even proof.
338dmac 2 years ago
What question did I fail to answer?
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
This one: Do you believe that god is omniscient in that he knows all that passes, has passed, or that will come to pass forever?
338dmac 2 years ago
I did answer that...look at my comments, I answered that before I asked you a question...my answer was & is...YES I blv he is all knowing.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Good, now, next question: Do you believe that god is omnipotent, in that he has the power to do whatever he wishes whenever he wishes in any way that he wishes?
338dmac 2 years ago
Yes yes I know...Im an old lady.....Im tryin to make a point ;-)
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
You're right, you didn't make it happen, but this is another false analogy. god supposedly created EVERYTHING necessary for EVERYTHING to ever happen. You just had the kid. You didn't make the couch, the room, the table, etc., and you definitely didn't make them all with the plan of the kid bumping his head on the table. In the case of god, apparently he DID want your son to get hurt, seeing so he knew about it from the get-go and was okay with it. Unless of course you SAW him try to stop it...
338dmac 2 years ago
& how in the HELL does giving someone free will make you responsible for what they do. Whats going on right here in this conversation is very simple. You WANT there to be no GOD..no AFTER..no accountability. You WANT the messes you make, or the mistakes..or the hurt you cause others, the wrongs...to be someone elses fault. NO one is perfect...we ALL make mistakes, sin, hurt, say & do the wrong thing... but we can ALL be forgiven.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
It's not JUST giving free will, he also supposedly KNOWS WHAT CHOICES YOU WILL MAKE!! So in every instance where you're already predestined to do something bad, god's NOT giving you the choice to do it or not do it. He's allowing you to do it, not doing it is not going to happen, so it's not a choice, and yes, god IS responsible for that. And quit trying to appeal to my emotions and acting like you know me. Either you have an argument or you do not. Apparently you do not. And sin is relative.
338dmac 2 years ago
I read your profile. on it you think the quote "If GOD is real, he has the shitiest plan ever"...... You blv that..or at least think it. But heres the thing. How do you know?? You dont know what his plan is for you...your not living it. so how do you know its shitty?....Hmm...
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
Seeing so as he's supposedly omnipotent and omniscient, everything that is happening and that has happened is also his plan. Stuff like the Holocaust, every single genocide, every single war, every single murder or rape or enslavement, every single bad thing that has ever happened is a part of his "divine plan". Therefore, I say that his plan sucks. And I will never take the stupid notion that "oh, god's too beyond us, we can't criticize him because we don't understand him". Why follow him then?
338dmac 2 years ago
If God is real, he has the shitiest plan ever conceived.
motleycruenoob 2 years ago 10
@motleycruenoob What Jesus did opened the door to grace for the whole world. No one would be saved by grace if He didn't die on the cross.
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Geerup is a fool.
mattyabsley 2 years ago 9
what a fool! there is no evidence other then religious texts to support the claim that jesus was real!
OF ALL THE TEXTS ABOUT BIRTHS DEATHS HISTORICAL EVENTS ECT.. FROM THAT TIME DO NOT MENTION HIM!
so GEERUP is saying that all other relgious texts from thousands of years before "jesus" and after are false and can not be trusted BUT his book can be trusted as historical FACT! what a FOOL!
WOW
m60yaface 2 years ago 2
Geerup is an idiot with absolutely nothing but scare tactics to back himself up. Simple as that. 'Nuff said. Let's move on.
ceeqanguel 2 years ago 3
i seriously raged
astagohai 2 years ago
you speak with love peace be with you
and all your family
ilovejesustv 2 years ago
As I see it, Jesus could have existed, however not to the extent he is portrayed in the bible. He could have been a simple man who wanted to help others, and the writers of the bible added things like walking on water or resurrection to make his story more appealing and having greater impact.
A real Jesus could have been like Ghandi, however there is too much of Jesus backstory that comes from other cultures around the area and for that its authenticity is debatable.
Biankito 2 years ago 2
WOW...so your saying that talking snakes exist...shit were is the historical evidence for that...Ive yet to see a talking snake.
TruthKillsStupid 2 years ago
Man I hate youtube.
theinsane102 2 years ago
And the funny thing about the dead sea scrolls, is they were written by people that lived right there during the alleged time of Christ, but yet do not mention your jesus at all. Sorry guy, no evidence of a historical jesus exist. what you go by is hearsay written many years later by people that never personally witnessed a jesus.
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
L O L no historical evidence of Jesus? we been finding evidence on Jesus for decades, centuries even. I can't believe that this lie is actually growing lol. For years, its been an accepted fact that Jesus was historical, if you don't believe anything a person will say yeah Jesus was here lol. You can say the same about Alexander the great, Abraham Lincoln, Richard the Lionheart, etc. Really man your a piece of work if you believe that Jesus was never here :p lol.
1989dman 2 years ago
LMAO! that's so funny.
1. the people you list, actual eye witnesses wrote down their stories, including they themselves.
2. The only people that mention jesus, did so long after his death, they never saw him, met him, nothing.
3. you're so gullible it's sad. to the home work boy! lols
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
1. Actual eye witnesses wrote about Jesus as well but you ignore that.
2. Actually it wasn't that long after his death if you study some.
3. You call me gullible but I think the gullible one is you if you truly believe that because many historians would disagree with you.
1989dman 2 years ago
1. That is not true in anyway whatsoever.
2. Hearsay is not historical proof of anything.
3. The fact remains no one whom ever met jesus, or jesus himself, ever wrote down anything at all, there his no historical record. period. you go by rumours only, not historical fact. gullible
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
So you claim archelogical evidence, eye witness documents, etc as garbage? lol you need to research man.
1989dman 2 years ago
No eye witness documents exist! STOP LYING FOR JESUS
There are real physical places that exist, and placing where one thinks a story might have taken place. It in no ways proves anything. especially scince around that time lots of people were crucified, buried in tombs, and anyone thought to regain jerusalem was called a messiah.
You shouldn't ignore what I said about the dead sea scrolls. That;s your real historical documents, and archaeological evidence.
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
Got the bible, dead sea scrolls, the eye witness documents from people at the time, etc there's no point when all you've done is say NO THAT CAN'T BE etc lol your just in denial there's no point in arguing with someone who is so dead set against it.
1989dman 2 years ago
If you are serious, and what to go over each historians claim. and actually look at who they are,m when they lived, what they said. and you really want to know what you base this on. meet me here:
/watch?v=eOkzs887Jp8
and we can go over each claim. and maybe you will actually know what the claims are.
see ya there :)
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
what a fool! there is no evidence other then religious texts to support the claim that jesus was real!
OF ALL THE TEXTS ABOUT BIRTHS DEATHS HISTORICAL EVENTS ECT.. FROM THAT TIME DO NOT MENTION HIM!
so GEERUP is saying that all other relgious texts from thousands of years before "jesus" and after are false and can not be trusted BUT his book can be trusted as historical FACT! what a FOOL!
WOW
NOW LOOK MATE THEIR ARE ZERO EYE WITNESS ACOUNTS OF JESUS OUT SIDE OF THE BIBLE/RELIOUS TEXTS!
m60yaface 2 years ago 4
dont ignore the rea stuff, and just make up lies for jesus
come back when you actually do the homework. I dont debate people that just make up bullshit off the top off their heads, bs that is in no way true whatsoever, have a nice life, gullible
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
how am I lying? All you have to do simply is go google it, go to muesems, go ask a historian lol If I gave you what I know it wouldn't matter because you need to see it so its best you go look because like I said most historians will disagree and I say most because I haven't heard a historian that disagree but I am sure there might be one.
1989dman 2 years ago
It seems like you just keep asserting most "historians", many "historians". I think that you lack any justifiable names. My best friend just graduated with his Masters(?, maybe working on it) in ancient history. He knows WAAAAAY more about this than either you or I. He considers the Bible a piece of historical myth, as do "most" respected historians in the field. Onesuch example is Burton L. Mack. Wiki him.
riseofatheism 2 years ago
1. Name one.
2. 40-120 years after his death is pretty long. I'm 21 and I can't remember every word I said 2 days ago. Yet Jesus' words are "perfectly" dictated.
3. Name a historian. (not a biased one. there's a reason why certain "historians don't count. They just assert things as true without justification, because they want it to be true.)
riseofatheism 2 years ago 2
You're wrong. The oldest known Old Testament was found in the dead sea scroll documents. which were written during 200 BCE all the way up to 70 AD
Those are teh scrolls you refer to, and there are many passages not found in any of today's bibles. You do not have all of the bible, you never read all of the oldest known bible, bec it hasnt been released to the public, not fully.
DecentralizedByGuilt 2 years ago
Hey Geerup,
Historians can't get history right that just happened last century. Look at the Great Depression and all the myths that surround FDR's New Deal getting us out of the Depression. Thats a good example, and that happened 80 years ago. Besides the bible was written by man, and Jesus was just some dude. If there is a god these bullshit man made religions are an an insult to his/her/it's magnificence and people that follow these man made religions are probably pissing him off.
jjrglobal 2 years ago
Yeah, Christ had to die for Man to be redeemed, but God had no part in his death. All you have to do is read the gospels to see the members of the Sanhedrin plotting on Jesus to kill him. They were afraid of Jesus because he was building up a larger following then they, so out of jealously, they had him crucified. Again, God had no part in this. However children, He was able to use their evil intentions to bring about the redemption of mankind, and now the ball is in our court.
jarbon5 2 years ago
I don't get mad at people when they say that Jesus committed suicide, which Tommy seems to be saying here. But, I do hope that the come to the truth of of the Gospel before they breath their last...
jarbon5 2 years ago
most ppl don't deny existence of Jesus.However if one follows the historical evolution of bible, one quickly realises how early churches omitted many gospels, including gospels from AD 50 to AD 100. One must ask why, during the canonical process, the bible via translation, rejected historically significant documentation? I have read some of these gospels and understand clearly why this occurred. They question the resurrection and portray Jesus as an earthly man with a political mission.
777ren 2 years ago
It always cracks me up how man (Tommy) acts so holy and accuses a holy holy holy God of being evil. lol Man has become so arrogant that now atheists are questioning God as if they are so holy. Arrogance in its purest form is atheism.
shockofgod 3 years ago 2
Atheists try to make the belief in a God seem like something just to help people cope, but it is the exact opposite!
They deny God to help them cope with the coming judgment.
Most Atheists are not lookng for the truth, they believe they already know the truth.
No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions. Charles P. Steinmetz:
Truth between candid minds can never do harm.
Thomas Jefferson:
Curiosity is the thirst of the soul.
HolyRevelation 3 years ago
scared of judgement?
I'm sure they would rather rot in hell rather then spend time with you
and as for questions what exactly was your last question about your own religion?
TheSouthernMoose 3 years ago
"Atheists try to make the belief in a God seem like something just to help people cope, but it is the exact opposite!"
Sounds liek a crutch to me
"They deny God to help them cope with the coming judgment."
That makes no sense
"Most Atheists are not lookng for the truth, they believe they already know the truth."
Atheists believe in Science, science is the seacrh for truth, so that again makes no sense.
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
What evidence do you have that Jesus was a historical figure, ... the Bible?
FarSideofTown 3 years ago
I hear you, but your talking over Tommys head. By the way you looked into the camera at the end I would be willing to bet you know this.
ImATruthSeeker 3 years ago
Get the fuck out of YouTube
theredcat666 3 years ago
There is no evidence but the hearsay of fans, for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth.
Historic references to "Christ" are meaningless, because Christ is not a name but a title 100's of would be messiahs claimed at the time...
The same can be said of Moses, and the completely fabricated book of Exodus.
It appears that your faith based "certainty" is a sham, and comes from a place of willful ignorance and wholly unsupported xtian literature.
Skavar4000 3 years ago
Wow,you say these things as if you knew them for a fact. History proves that Jesus Christ existed. Its fact that the book of Luke is the most historically accurate book in the world. Exodus is a completely fabricated book? really? "Although not apparent at first glance, the biblical account of the Exodus contains many tiny details that place it within a distinct historical and chronological context. Those who ignore this evidence refuse to give the biblical record a fair hearing." Mario Seiglie
ServantofJesus777 3 years ago
You are quoting the United Church of God Pastor Mario Seiglie!! The man who the Traditional Values Coalition has chosen "TO HELP SLAY THE DEMON OF EVOLUTION."!?
This is the source for your knowledge base?
The well from which you perceive you draw valid scientific and historic information?
When you value real truth & not just substantiation for your mythical dictates, then look to real historians and scientists. Lots of them! Not the creationist "literature" you obviously use now.
Skavar4000 3 years ago
Major problem in Tommy's argument is that the Christian case has the evidence to back it up. There is a lot of information out there for to peruse of their own volition. At the end of the day, it is a choice.
Of course, as Ken Ham said, if you deny one part of the Bible, why not deny it altogether?
atheisthead1 3 years ago
"Major problem in Tommy's argument is that the Christian case has the evidence to back it up."
Such as?
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
Why are there parts copied word for word from the Gospel of Mark into the Gospels of Luke and John and Matthew?
I dunno, maybe I am the wrong one here.
atheisthead1 3 years ago
Where is the Q gospel?
atheisthead1 3 years ago
geerup, i have a cat that looks just like yours. he likes to bite though.
themarkmarcus 3 years ago
Why can't you make more touching videos like this rather than ranting on about evolution.
AuthenticPunkDance 3 years ago
i dont need to explain anything, tommy knows what hes talkin about, you don't
nicholasjhalpern 3 years ago
that is how all evolutionist talk.i don't know speak to him over there.
your faith is daft. if it were true you could offer me some evidence using science. real science not assumption or "i believe"
Once you come to the understanding as i did that evolution is not science..and what is happening because of it..you may just wake up
a faith is defined on "a belief in thee trustworthiness of an idea"
an eternity in hell is a long time.
Wake up kid.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
Ok first of all when did I even say I had a faith? second of all when i did I mention ANYTHING about evolution and thirdly when did I say I believe. I watched the video and GEERUP made a complete dick of himself trying to prove tommy wrong when of course he couldn't. I simply said I dont need to say anything tommy's pretty much proved how wrong GEERUP is.
nicholasjhalpern 3 years ago
If you watched this video and think geerup made a "dk" out of himself then you are being intellectually dishonest with yourself.
if you watched tommys video and agreed with him you are being ignorant and like tommy have no or little knowledge of Christianity.
Do you thikn you are an evolved ape? and if so, why?
MANCKIE 3 years ago
First off don't you DARE!! say i know nuthin bout christianity. For TWO years i was a christian and im talking heavy believing christian born again!! And second why do i believe we evolved from apes? Scientific facts and data, fossil samples and DNA. And i mean the fact that evolution has been proven over and over and over again. Hopefully i'm done with you now
nicholasjhalpern 3 years ago
"Scientific facts and data"
such as?
"fossil samples"
Fossils are not proof for evolution. they do not prove that they gave birth to a different species or had babies. all they prove is something got squished.
"DNA"
why on Gods earth do you think that DNA is proof for evolution? You do realise that just because we know how a television works ..that does not mean the television evolved from a radio via a big bang billions of years ago.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
"evolution has been proven over and over and over again"
This is unfortunately for you where your ignorance and fanaticism of your faith shows. evolution is a theory. it has never been proven and never will be.
if you want to be ignorant of logic and reason then you do that..but don't call your daft voodoo faith part of science.
cows evolving into whales..lol oh my
MANCKIE 3 years ago
*sigh* you are seriously stupid, if you wanna know all the scientific facts and data and DNA and etc. use google or ask jeeves and you will find all the facts right there in front of you. gah you christians jeez
nicholasjhalpern 3 years ago
so you don't have ONE fact that you can offer to tell me about your magical rock faith?
come on, if you are seriously going to accept that you are related to cucumbers, aids, Ebola virus, donkeys, bananas and cucumbers via a common ancestor and magic morphing than at least show me one FACT that is without doubt.
science is what we can observe and repeat. as in gravity..not a fish evolving into a monkey or a cow evolving into a whale.
come on. give me some facts kid.
defend your faith
MANCKIE 3 years ago
so because i am right..you cannot prove me wrong..
this means Tommy is right lmao.
oh dear.
there is no proof for your faith m8..
may the bananas of your monkey ancestors always surround you.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
I love this Video 50 stars... Tommy is a good guy...It does my heart good to see videos of this caliber. Great, Wonderful Work Sable and Geerup...Absolutely astounding!!!The Best example of meekness and Humility I have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!
SuteUp 3 years ago
Geerup and Tommy NO WAY!!!
SuteUp 3 years ago
testing
JRBendixen 3 years ago
Amen dude...
drybomber5 3 years ago
Geerup that background is great! Is that your property? It almost looks perfect like a set!
Starmexus84 3 years ago
unsubbed. Over you.
sapienturk 3 years ago
"Man enough"...I like this video.
ladrev1257 3 years ago
Such good work
Bless
beverly92552 3 years ago
Educated christians should admit Evolution happened. But of course....they don't. BTW. Even if Jesus existed, and was crucified. Tell me.....what does it prove?
evolutionist101 3 years ago
when you talk of evolution i assume you dont understand your faith. there is no proof for evolution faith.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
I have no faith in Evolution. It's based of FACTS, not Feelings. Faith is not even in the equation. You do understand what the word, theory, means in Science.... right?
evolutionist101 3 years ago
when you speak of evolution, do you mean cosmic, micro, macro, planetary, organic or chemical evolution.
nobody has ever seen any kind or creature give birth to a different species.
if you believe you are related to a cucumber then you are welcome to believe that..but that is not science.
its stupid.
May the bananas of your monkey ancestors always surround you
Wake up kid.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
No you. Really. Wake up. There are many stupider theories you could attack. Like the theory of general relativity. Says time goes slower if you travel faster. How crazy is that?
Or that its actually impossible to know a subatomic particle's speed, direction and location all at once?
Makes my head hurt, but doesn't stop them being right. Yes, its pretty mindblowing that we're related to every other living creature (tremendously distantly mostly) but its something you should probably get used to.
paulbottomley42 3 years ago
"Yes, its pretty mindblowing that we're related to every other living creature "
Like i said, you believe you are related to every ingredient in a BIG MAC.
You have a faith which is not founded on anything other than fraud.
You BELIEVE...you are related to the aids virus. That you share a common ancestor with non living matter.
That is not science.
you are not thinking critically and are being intellectually dishonest with yourself.
Apples and bananas mate..pears too
MANCKIE 3 years ago
I beg to differ - it seems that you're the one not thinking critically. Your sole argument seems to be "I find the idea that I share an ancestor with every other living thing, however distantly, unpalatable. Therefore, it is wrong".
You also seem to think that all the evidence for evolution is fraudulent, which rather assumes a massive multidisciplinary conspiracy to hinder human knowledge, frequently (mostly) perpetrated by religious people, for no apparent reason. This is not likely, is it?
paulbottomley42 3 years ago
"your sole argument seems to be "I find the idea that I share an ancestor with every .."
This is your faith..not mine
"unpalatable. Therefore, it is wrong"
no it is wrong because you have absolutely nothing to back that wild and crazy claim up with. assumptions are not fact..could be is not science
MANCKIE 3 years ago
MANCKIE 3 years ago
No point, whatever I say you'll write off as fraud (why a deliberate lie rather than a genuine mistake?) Apparently usually from nothing more than personal incredulity. I'm disappointed you didn't mention Piltdown Man, actually, as I live just down the road from Piltdown.
Show me where someone said whales evolved from cows, by the way, and I'll show you a Creationist liar, since they're the only ones who ever say this.
paulbottomley42 3 years ago
can you tell me where i can find the evolution of insects? how did non living matter come alive...and where did matter come from?
please use science not assumption or presumption to answer, considering you are brainwashed enough to think your faith is science please hurry.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
You don't have to SEE someone commit murder to KNOW they are guilty. You look at the evidence. You choose not to because you are ignorant to the FACTS around you. I woke up a while back when I realized I couldn't justify my beliefs with logic and reason.
May your magic man commit more Genocide, Child murder, rape and slavery.(you did read the old testament, right?)
evolutionist101 3 years ago
"You don't have to SEE someone commit murder to KNOW they are guilty. You look at the evidence."
Many murderers admit their crime, and many murderers plead guilty and many murder trials have many witnesses.
Nobody has ever seen any kind of animal produce a new species altogether.
Nobody has and nobody EVER will.
"I couldn't justify my beliefs with logic and reason."
Kid you either never where a Christian and did not know your Bible or you are telling lies.
MANCKIE 3 years ago
Umm..... NO. Not ALL murderers admit squat. Not ALL murders have witnesses. You do realize that...right? Tell me why your magic book carries more wieght than ANY other religion. BTW. I got your Kid!!
evolutionist101 3 years ago
"NO. Not ALL murderers admit squat. Not ALL murders have witnesses. You do realize that.right?"
are you tying to fool yourself or me? are you for real? nobody has EVER SEEN ANY KIND OF CREATURE PRODUCE A NEW SPECIES
This is one of the foundations for your faith. what exploded in the big bang, and where did the energy come from? where did matter come from? how did chemicals evolve?
How did amoeba evolve from rocks? how did amoeba come alive.what flavour is primordial soup?
defend you faith
MANCKIE 3 years ago