I'm sorry but MMA has rules and is not practical in a real street fight, especially when the other person has a knife. Grabbing his knife arm with both hands means that you will have to close the distance, and essentially end up grappling a man with a knife! Btw, in the slight chance that you actually manage to grab his arm without getting stabbed, what is stopping him from simply switching hands?
As I said in the video, this is worst case scenario. We do not want to end up on the ground at all in a street fight. But this does happen, and it is so dangerous that we must train very diligently on the ground to be able to survive if you end up there in a real fight. If you watch the sparring portion, the "attacker" is trying to switch hands but I keep deflecting it. I urge you to watch the entire video with an open mind.
@BurtonRichardson Well I like to think the reason I question these sorts of techniques, even after 16 years of martial arts training, is BECAUSE I have an open mind, so I must respectfully disagree. I understand training off your back, but how do you even get to this position without being stabbed multiple times? I worked at a prison and witnessed 3 knife attacks there, and sorry to say, they looked nothing like this. Just ask Chai Eun Hillmann.... respectfully of course.
If you actually watch the whole video you will find that all is explained therein. If you do end up on your back and are stabbed multiple times already, what are you going to do? Give up? You have to have strategy practiced against real resistance.
@BurtonRichardson LOL gee, I wonder why you didn't answer my last post. I hope it feels good taking peoples money, in exchange for giving them a false sense of security. Good luck wrestling people with knives buddy.
If you have a better way, please post a video of you sparring against a live partner who is resisting 100% so we can see what you do at close quarters.
Good stuff Sifu! I like how you address the fact that the blade was grabbed. We don't live in a perfect world and sometimes grabbing the blade is the best option.
i practice a wing chun system that has is knife defence from escrima.they told us never to grapple with a knife . But this technique looks creative and good.and i love mma so i found it very interestibf
@musclepieformybaby We don't want to be on the ground against the knife, but if you end up there, we do have options. Good for you for keeping an open mind.
@BurtonRichardson The live sparring that you show with this tech makes your videos invaluable.I have live sparring but it's on my DVDs.I've long wanted to add live sparring clips to all my videos and I haven't been as successful as I'd like to be due to editing issues.Happily I have them all resolved now,so this should no longer be an issue.
I think it would be much simpler to push you fingers through his eyes first. Too much fine motor skills here. If you are in that position it would make more sense to cause him damage than risk yourself a cut on the hand or even worse. The knife is not what puts your life at risk. the man holding it is ...
@MrSelecta32 Thank you for your comment. Although in theory "the man holding the knife puts you at risk", the primary objective is to control the knife. By releasing it to thumb the eyes, you are leaving it free to do it's ugly work. Eye gouges are easily and naturally countered by blinking and turning away. If anything he will probably become even more aggressive. This particular disarm does take more skill, but if you are in that precise position, it works very well.
@RubberTanto Good question. Holding the arm very close to your hip minimizes the rotation, but he can still cut you. Just not very deep and not devastating. There is no perfect solution, except to not be in a knife situation in the first place. Try it out and you will see, after practicing for awhile, that you can control the knife arm quite well.
@BurtonRichardson thanks for the response richard! I like the idea of using your shin as leverage to control the arm.What I worry about is losing focus if you get cut from pain/shock etc. Have you ever tried levering the arm so that the blade is further away from the body? Nevertheless a great drill to try. I will definately give this a try at training tonight. I agree the cuts you will get will not be lethal from this position. Keep up the good work!
2) This guy was so freaked and shocked about this that this guy he just let go of the knife and stood there in shock and horror! LOL So, my step dad looked at him cursing him. He pulled the knife out of his hand and wrapped it in a bar towel and commenced to beating this poor bastards A@@! After the guy was out, he call the NOPD and said that he was stabbed and asked if they could come get this guy out of his bar! So, yeah, I guess thats why they call it the sacrifice hand.. LOL ~ Billy Brown
@PMATSRS Wow! Just goes to show you that real fights are extremely fluid and sometimes you need to trust your instincts! Great story, thanks for sharing.
Hey Guro, great vid as usual.. That would suck though.. LOL Quick story.. 1) I was raised by a Vietnam Navy Seal after my father passed. Anyway, this man owned barrooms in New Orleans where im from. He was cleaning up and closing one night, drunk, when a guy came in and try to hold him up with a Case pocket knife.. He told me that he was just to damn drunk to fight this man empty handed against a blade.. So, instinctively he slammed his hand down on this blade, ran his self though with it!
in krav magà i've learn a similar technique. rolling on the armed hand after the block on the shin and disarming in mount position. ... self defense is a lab...
I understand that you said "if you've gotta grab the blade, you've gotta grab the blade," however, would you want to "train" to grab the blade? I would think it would be instinctual to grab the blade, so, it would be unnecessary to train. I realize that grabbing the blade might become a necessity in that situation--as you stated--I just an inquiring as to why you "train" to grab the blade, instead of training "not" to grab it.
@Ronnock Good question. We usually go for the 2 on 1, but if that is not available, you can work this disarm. We train to disarm without grabbing around the edge itself, but in the sparring I ended up grabbing the edge in order to pry the knife out of my opponent's hand. It wasn't coming out the other way. So, we train to disarm without grabbing the edge, but if that doesn't work, and the alternative is for him to free his hand and start stabbing, grabbing the blade is the answer.
You could also control his hand that has the blade and force him to stab himself while he's holding the blade verses screwing around with the disarm. But, I know you already know this. Good stuff.
@bladeimm That is very difficult to do when sparring. I address it in the DVDs though, as there is a time when the opponent pulls away that you can guide the blade into him.
I'm sorry but MMA has rules and is not practical in a real street fight, especially when the other person has a knife. Grabbing his knife arm with both hands means that you will have to close the distance, and essentially end up grappling a man with a knife! Btw, in the slight chance that you actually manage to grab his arm without getting stabbed, what is stopping him from simply switching hands?
WildBillJP 4 days ago
@WildBillJP
As I said in the video, this is worst case scenario. We do not want to end up on the ground at all in a street fight. But this does happen, and it is so dangerous that we must train very diligently on the ground to be able to survive if you end up there in a real fight. If you watch the sparring portion, the "attacker" is trying to switch hands but I keep deflecting it. I urge you to watch the entire video with an open mind.
BurtonRichardson 4 days ago
@BurtonRichardson Well I like to think the reason I question these sorts of techniques, even after 16 years of martial arts training, is BECAUSE I have an open mind, so I must respectfully disagree. I understand training off your back, but how do you even get to this position without being stabbed multiple times? I worked at a prison and witnessed 3 knife attacks there, and sorry to say, they looked nothing like this. Just ask Chai Eun Hillmann.... respectfully of course.
WildBillJP 4 days ago
@WildBillJP
If you actually watch the whole video you will find that all is explained therein. If you do end up on your back and are stabbed multiple times already, what are you going to do? Give up? You have to have strategy practiced against real resistance.
BurtonRichardson 1 day ago
@BurtonRichardson LOL gee, I wonder why you didn't answer my last post. I hope it feels good taking peoples money, in exchange for giving them a false sense of security. Good luck wrestling people with knives buddy.
WildBillJP 1 day ago
@WildBillJP
If you have a better way, please post a video of you sparring against a live partner who is resisting 100% so we can see what you do at close quarters.
BurtonRichardson 1 day ago
Good stuff Sifu! I like how you address the fact that the blade was grabbed. We don't live in a perfect world and sometimes grabbing the blade is the best option.
browneye77 5 days ago
@browneye77
Thanks- The truth is the truth! Better a cut hand than a punctured heart. Enjoy your training!
BurtonRichardson 5 days ago
i practice a wing chun system that has is knife defence from escrima.they told us never to grapple with a knife . But this technique looks creative and good.and i love mma so i found it very interestibf
musclepieformybaby 7 months ago
@musclepieformybaby We don't want to be on the ground against the knife, but if you end up there, we do have options. Good for you for keeping an open mind.
BurtonRichardson 7 months ago
He could still cut your wrist
SSJCampbell11 1 year ago
@SSJCampbell11 And he could cut my leg. But that hold is sometimes the best option until you can get to a better position.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
@BurtonRichardson The live sparring that you show with this tech makes your videos invaluable.I have live sparring but it's on my DVDs.I've long wanted to add live sparring clips to all my videos and I haven't been as successful as I'd like to be due to editing issues.Happily I have them all resolved now,so this should no longer be an issue.
ATACXGYM 8 months ago
Great stuff, thank you for taking the time to make a well put together video. Also thanks for taking time to address the knife grab during the disarm.
I look forward to more vids.
myownschadenfreude 1 year ago
@myownschadenfreude you are welcome. More on the way.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
I think it would be much simpler to push you fingers through his eyes first. Too much fine motor skills here. If you are in that position it would make more sense to cause him damage than risk yourself a cut on the hand or even worse. The knife is not what puts your life at risk. the man holding it is ...
MrSelecta32 1 year ago
@MrSelecta32 Thank you for your comment. Although in theory "the man holding the knife puts you at risk", the primary objective is to control the knife. By releasing it to thumb the eyes, you are leaving it free to do it's ugly work. Eye gouges are easily and naturally countered by blinking and turning away. If anything he will probably become even more aggressive. This particular disarm does take more skill, but if you are in that precise position, it works very well.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
what stops him rotating at the wrist where he can stab the thigh, buttocks or twist the angle of the blade to strip the forearm?
RubberTanto 1 year ago
@RubberTanto Good question. Holding the arm very close to your hip minimizes the rotation, but he can still cut you. Just not very deep and not devastating. There is no perfect solution, except to not be in a knife situation in the first place. Try it out and you will see, after practicing for awhile, that you can control the knife arm quite well.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
@BurtonRichardson thanks for the response richard! I like the idea of using your shin as leverage to control the arm.What I worry about is losing focus if you get cut from pain/shock etc. Have you ever tried levering the arm so that the blade is further away from the body? Nevertheless a great drill to try. I will definately give this a try at training tonight. I agree the cuts you will get will not be lethal from this position. Keep up the good work!
RubberTanto 1 year ago
2) This guy was so freaked and shocked about this that this guy he just let go of the knife and stood there in shock and horror! LOL So, my step dad looked at him cursing him. He pulled the knife out of his hand and wrapped it in a bar towel and commenced to beating this poor bastards A@@! After the guy was out, he call the NOPD and said that he was stabbed and asked if they could come get this guy out of his bar! So, yeah, I guess thats why they call it the sacrifice hand.. LOL ~ Billy Brown
PMATSRS 1 year ago
@PMATSRS Wow! Just goes to show you that real fights are extremely fluid and sometimes you need to trust your instincts! Great story, thanks for sharing.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
Hey Guro, great vid as usual.. That would suck though.. LOL Quick story.. 1) I was raised by a Vietnam Navy Seal after my father passed. Anyway, this man owned barrooms in New Orleans where im from. He was cleaning up and closing one night, drunk, when a guy came in and try to hold him up with a Case pocket knife.. He told me that he was just to damn drunk to fight this man empty handed against a blade.. So, instinctively he slammed his hand down on this blade, ran his self though with it!
PMATSRS 1 year ago
Great stuff, Burton.
Cheers!
Patrick
jkdmantis 1 year ago
Quality technique with real world advice, Thank you for sharing this with us.
ellul613 1 year ago
Great video as always. Keep them coming.
sigmacombatsystems 1 year ago
Nice vid master Richardson, just wondering who is the top guy with the mask on at UFS?
JdawgMMAblog 1 year ago
@JdawgMMAblog That is Scott Ishihara, BJJ 1 stripe Purple Belt, Battlefield Kali instructor, and JKDU instructor.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
in krav magà i've learn a similar technique. rolling on the armed hand after the block on the shin and disarming in mount position. ... self defense is a lab...
S3TPROGRAM 1 year ago
I understand that you said "if you've gotta grab the blade, you've gotta grab the blade," however, would you want to "train" to grab the blade? I would think it would be instinctual to grab the blade, so, it would be unnecessary to train. I realize that grabbing the blade might become a necessity in that situation--as you stated--I just an inquiring as to why you "train" to grab the blade, instead of training "not" to grab it.
Ronnock 1 year ago
@Ronnock Good question. We usually go for the 2 on 1, but if that is not available, you can work this disarm. We train to disarm without grabbing around the edge itself, but in the sparring I ended up grabbing the edge in order to pry the knife out of my opponent's hand. It wasn't coming out the other way. So, we train to disarm without grabbing the edge, but if that doesn't work, and the alternative is for him to free his hand and start stabbing, grabbing the blade is the answer.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
@BurtonRichardson Oh ok, got it. Thank you for responding!
Ronnock 1 year ago
You could also control his hand that has the blade and force him to stab himself while he's holding the blade verses screwing around with the disarm. But, I know you already know this. Good stuff.
bladeimm 1 year ago
@bladeimm That is very difficult to do when sparring. I address it in the DVDs though, as there is a time when the opponent pulls away that you can guide the blade into him.
BurtonRichardson 1 year ago
@BurtonRichardson Agreed and understood. As well as angle of leverage. I'm a big admirer of your work.
bladeimm 1 year ago