Obree Documentry Part 4

[duncr]

foot out of pedal and still wins!!!! Awesome

[innit27]

obree is like a cycling version of alf tupper

boardman is more like ivan drago

you go in halfords its all boardman branded stuff, yet obree was the bike builder

[rachelvirago]

Obree had it right with his training schedules, the strategy that "more = more" is a fallacy. Over training invariably leads to drop in performance.

Rest after exercise is essential to performance, continuous training can weaken the strongest athletes.

Rest days are critical, too few rest and recovery days can lead to overtraining syndrome - a difficult condition to recover from"

Overtraining is endemic among amateurs, this is why they tend to remain... amateurs.

[synapse131]

That's nuts!?!? Ten hours per week? Only 3 hours of "real" training per week? I used to do 20-25 hours per week on top of working FT (40 hrs/week.) And I knew people that put me to shame (friends whose "training runs" with Bill Spencer for an afternoon consisted of 30-40 miles of Alaska mountain running; imagine doing 2 marathons per day for training!) How in the hell can a guy who set the world hour record only train a few hours per week? Nuts!

[drhillaryharris]

Yeah when you got natural talent you can get away with all kinds of crap.

[Peramelemorphia]

I think Obree is suggesting here that his on/off schedule helps him in events - i.e. he's not a slack person saved from his poor training by his talent, but someone who uses his intuition to guide his training. He might have done worse if he'd been on a regime like Boardman's.

[easye1973]

@synapse131 two marathons? you said 30 to 40 miles which is a big difference to two marathons. 30 miles is only 4 miles more than a marathon so work on your math .

[synapse131]

@easye1973 keep in mind, we are talking MOUNTAIN RUNNING, cross country with at least 3-4000 feet of climbing per session. 30-40 DOES equal 2 marathons when you are going at a much slower pace due to terrain. The reason why most athletes do not worry about mileage and instead track time & intensity is that mileage can vary by the terrain. If I'm riding off road & only going half the speed of a road cyclist at the same effort level, my mileage is not going to be a fair determinant of effort.

[easye1973]

@synapse131 are you talking running or biking? you don't refer to a marathon on a bike

[synapse131]

@easye1973 mountain running and flat road running and not the same thing, just as mountain biking is not the same thing as road racing. The terrain slows you down and you go half the speed for the same effort. Like I stated, cyclists who know what they are doing do not reckon by mileage as much as time and intensity because of the variations in terrain. I used the word "if" to signify that I was giving an hypothetical example not directly related to the original subject of running.

[easye1973]

@synapse131 You are long on words and short on content I asked you if you were talking about running or biking. You proceeded to explain that various types or running and various types of biking are different I know mountain biking and road racing are different. And the word "marathon" describes a distance not an intensity I can run 26 miles at a leisurely pace or I can run a constant 4 minute mile for the entire 26 miles in the end I have ran a marathon which is a distance.

[synapse131]

@synapse131 Running. I used the example of mountain bike riding since that is what I am experienced with to exemplify that there are differences in pacing due to terrain that will result in different mileages for the same effort. 30-40 miles of (Alaska) mountain running is not equal to 30-40 miles on flat tarmac. In the English language, one can use examples from one things to explain another thing. Just because I am talking about another sport does not mean that the analogy is not apt.

[synapse131]

@easye1973 I can't help it if you aren't smart enough to get that mountain running is going to be more intensive per the mileage compared to running a flat land marathon; and that the same applies to biking. It was just a quick example but you seem hell bound to argue the semantics and basically be a little troll. Look up "Bill Spencer" and cross country skiing and you will begin to understand (he only led the U.S. Team for many years and was the x-country coach for the UAA ski team.)

[easye1973]

@synapse131 I am smart enough to know marathon is a distance and not an intensity, and I don't resort to name calling such as you do.

[jasonking10001]

Boardman just comes across with what sounds like a professional attitude. Nothing more, nothing less.

[DHTCF]

why have a go at Boardman? Sentiment has to be with Obree, but Boardman had his own battles to fight, riding as a clean pro when not all his competition was.