Food, Self & "The Natural History of the Chicken" (1/5)

[infoanalysis]

I attended this lecture in Seattle. It was excellent and I found Kirby Farell accessible and his contributions to the Ernest Becker forum essential. He recommended I read "Homo Aestheticus", which I found less so.

[joejoe74236]

great!

[JRBendixen]

I really do not see how the comparison of nazi death camps with chicken factories works, because it was not like the nazies ate people.

[Cuoin]

@JRBendixen There is a similar intensity of suffering inflicted. The view that the suffering of chickens is inferior (or indeed irrelevant) in comparison to the suffering of even a single homosapien is analogous to the disconnected forms of bigotry the Nazis espoused towards the Jews.

[JRBendixen]

@Cuoin That had nothing to to do with my point. No matter, let me try again.

The suffering is for all I know is almost the same, besides the fact that we usually do not starve the chickens. In fact we have laws against such a thing in Europa and I would guess it was so in a load of other countries.

To, the point, I have no troubble with the chicking factories and thus the suffering, because I like to eat chicken. continued...

[JRBendixen]

@JRBendixen I hope that you now can get yourself to answer my question which I will repeat honestly:

Is it ok to kill chickens beacuse one wants to eat them?

[Cuoin]

@JRBendixen It depends on the context. Generally when considering environmental implications and the welfare of the animals in general it is preferable not to impose life on chickens with the singular intention of slaughtering them for the unnecessary indulgence of humans.

[Cuoin]

@JRBendixen I only addressed suffering a second time as you openly stated that you do not care about the suffering of chickens in factories. This quote... "To, the point, I have no troubble with the chicking factories and thus the suffering, because I like to eat chicken".

[JRBendixen]

@JRBendixen Continued..Chicken eaters do not like to eat live chickens so we have build a system to take care of the killings in an effective way. But we do not kill the chickens to get rid of them, quite the contrary, we kill them so we can eat them.

This could not be further from the nazi death camps, which only purpose was to torture and kill for no other reason than to get rid of people. Godwin's Law comes to mind.

But let me ask, is it ok to kill chickens beacuse one wants to eat them?

[Cuoin]

@JRBendixen If you have no problem with the suffering endured by chickens in inhumane chicken factories even after you have conceded that they suffer just as humans do then you are a bigot. Intelligence is an irrelevant factor in determining the intensity of suffering which is inflicted on a sentient organism. An adult chimpanzee can greatly out-perform a two year old homosapien at various cognitive tasks, is the suffering of the chimpanzee now more *important* than that of young humans?

[JRBendixen]

@Cuoin Quote:" Intelligence is an irrelevant factor in determining the intensity of suffering which is inflicted on a sentient organism". Sure thing and I will remind you that I do not mention intelligence once in my comments, because it is quite irrelevant, from where I stand.

Much more important is my question you seemed to have forgotten, so here we go again:

But let me ask, is it ok to kill chickens beacuse one wants to eat them?

[theheinzification]

watch?v=NkxO91TLKVg&playnext=1­&list=PL3EFC38395A4A07B5 this link should work

[ernestbecker]

Oh, I see, it's missing the end. That's weird...

[ernestbecker]

It works for me

[Migslayer101]

The link in the video description doesn't work.

[2bsirius]

@Migslayer101

It's easy enough to find. Just do a YouTube search for "natural history chicken" and part one of the six part series will appear OR you can just copy the full link and use that. For some reason KVg was missed at end of the link.

[Professoranton]

Wonderful.  Thanks so much!