I still don't get the reference to Penn saying "ELVIS NEVER DID NO DRUGS!" I get the context to that statement and the bible, but was it from a TV show, a book, a movie? I'm [metaphorically] dying to know.
@deprogramr I don't think people are dumb. It just seems they've been taught how NOT to think. The show points out that there is a serious lack of critical thinking out there.
@wifferste fair... dumb isn't really a good word to use either, not really sure where I was coming from with that stuff. I must have had a bad day or something. You said it in a nicer way, lack of critical thinking is more like it. Dogmas just seem really weird to me.
@soadpwnsyou because I'm an educated person, and I'm not going to sit on one side of an argument with no knowledge of the other side or where they're coming from. I am NOT here, however, to pointlessly argue on the internets.
@soadpwnsyou because I'm an educated person, and I'm not going to sit on one side of an argument with no knowledge of the other side or where they're coming from. I am NOT here, however, to pointlessly argue on the internets. -_-
i thought this was done pretty respectfully on trying to debunk the bible without criticizing the believers and pissing them off.... As a christian that believes in jesus and his death for our sins, Im still going keep to my faith but Im a little happy that there are some atheist that are not just d-bags about their beliefs vs others
i've noticed most 'religious intellectuals' leans so heavily on that stupid fuck-ugly patronizing smile when trying to insult science and save their own faith.
I'm Catholic-Christian but nonetheless I find Penn and Teller hysterical and genius. I was hoping to see more comments on how funny Penn and Teller are, but it looks like all I see are butthurt atheists and butthurt Christians.
Motherfucker man, someone please pelt that screaming, idiotic, uneducated, inbred fucking redneck with a rock to the head please. "YOU AINT TAKIN MY BIBLE!" "AMEN BROTHER!" "THE CONSTITUTION SAYS IM ALLOWED TO HAVE EM!" I take it, much like your bible, you haven't read much of the constitution either, have ya hillbilly?
I can understand Christian's desire to try and press conversion on everything that breaths because of the massive increase in non-believers. I can understand Jesus being a real person and probably a really good guy. I can understand them hitting each other with jackets and smashing coffee cups with the word "SIN" on it with a hammer and screaming. But what the fuck is the deal with the bunny hiding eggs?
Funnily enough, Jesus was an asshole and did a BUNCH of hateful bullshit that they show in the bible, so I never really bought the whole "nice guy" thing.
Holy shit, people are thick. HOW can you be claiming to be a reasonable person and believe that the bible is something to be taken LITERALLY? This has nothing to do with history or science. It's just a cute story. The book probably describes cycles of the sun and out of body experiences. And some of those skeptics are real fucking stupid too. Not really being too different from religion by saying stuff like "we don't use that method of thinking in science"... Be creative! Form your own opinions!
@Thulldorn What are you talking about? "We don't use that method of thinking in science" is totally valid. Science doesn't allow something to be claimed as fact just because there is no evidence one way or another. Science remains neutral if there is no evidence one way or the other. Otherwise, one can claim anything. Absence of evidence is indeed not evidence of absence, but it's certainly not evidence of existence.
The only reason why the Old Testament (an originally Jewish text,) has been kept as a Christian text is because it gives the leaders of the Church more power. In most of the New Testament, Jesus goes around openly ignoring most of the teachings put down in the OT, saying that God isn't 'full of wrath', and is instead 'all-loving'. If the Church REALLY cared about 'following Christ', they'd throw out the OT, but they don't, because it allows them to control people through guilt and fear.
Also, the US Supreme Court building has a frieze depicting Moses with the Ten Commandments. Why can't the states have a monument to the Ten Commandments?
Depictions of ancient Greek & Roman goddesses (such as Justice) are ok?
This program is ridiculous because Penn and the atheist skeptic are often slipping into the argument that so much is false and immoral in the Bible that is has NO value. There are a lot of great, and true, things in the Bible and there are standards for interpreting it, whether they be from science and history or from a moral perspective.
@mcboozerilla There's nothing positive in the Bible that doesn't exist in other texts and sources. If you believe the Bible has good bits then speak out in favour of them, but you must also speak out against the bad bits. To consider this a holy book because it contains some nice teachings is to totally miss the point.
I have yet to read anything in the Bible that did not exist before it was written and would have continued to exist without it. Sure, you can find a few good things in there, but you can find the same things in other places without the insane delusions and the socially based bigotry.
I don't understand Christianity, if you want to do good, then DO GOOD!! Why do you have to attach all of these crazy stories and insist they are real? What difference does that make?
@diannabowen Even though I'm an atheist, I still have to say without religion, "good" wouldn't exist. All morality comes from religion. Proof? Being an atheist means you don't believe in sin, and since sin derives purely from religion, right or wrong have no real consequence after death.
These morals are embedded deep within us regardless of religion in present times. They embed deep when you're young. So in a way, you got to kinda thank religion for giving structure to our race.
That's bullshit. Pure and complete bullshit. Concepts of good and bad are NOT unique to religious societies, and you, sir, can seriously eat a fucking razor for telling such a painfully obvious LIE. I'm seriously wondering how the hell you can exist with the amount of ignorance it would take to believe that. Ignorance in history, sociology, myth, religion itself, and hell, fucking EMOTIONS and their root. What you've said is even stupider than some of the religious crap.
@Thorakites "hurr durr dat aint the truf" Being an atheist and believing in morals is a contradiction. But for you, just plain fucking retarded. There is no written record of human history that does not include some sort of religion as a foundation for law and principles. How you can even conceive that there was blows my mind. WE created religion because we needed a sense of purpose and consequence. How the fuck are you an atheist and not believe that? You need to read a book badly.
Don't sit there and tell someone who actually studies history and KNOWS of civilizations that had religions which did NOT provide moral direction that "religion gives us teh sin and gud lol!111"
If you think we just "decided" on day to form a religion to give people something, you know nothing about the actual origins of religion.
It would be like believing that one day in Roma, they just DECIDED to change it to an empire.
Look around the world, our fucked up little culture is not the only one, there are plenty of other cultures that get no morality from religion, but have these things ingrained in the culture itself. I mean, hell, I can give you a basic morality just by using compassion and some logic! Bloody hell, is your imagination that limited that you can't even think for yourself?
Finally, I think ideas of excessive morality are bad. At a time our society thought it was moral to beat women, children, to hang people for their skin color, to own slaves, and thousands of other things that would make today's morals shake.
Hell, there are thousands of things TODAY that make me shake when I consider they are accepted as "moral". I don't care what some fucking society considers wrong or right, I want to use my own compassion and logic to determine it.
@Thorakites Some of the oldest writings are religion based. Hell, Egyptians lived and died religion. For the love of god show me one record of an atheist that is older than any record dealing with religion. You're just a hypocritical atheist that hates religious people just because you don't agree. Atleast I'm an atheist with an argument. You're just an intolerant self proclaimed know-it-all who thinks he knows things that nobody else knows. That's impossible.
Hates religious people? Hell, how can I hate people for being indoctrinated in society the same we all are? I can look at certain colors and get a programmed reaction to them, a completely illogical one that I know is bullshit, but one that's there anyway. There's sociological bullshit everywhere, I'm not going to blame people for not having the strength to cast off things ingrained since birth.
I consider myself lucky to have been born to a house with people who did not attempt to make me believe ANYTHING. I was never told to believe in or not believe in anything.
You say I don't have an argument? In reality, I didn't respond with one because there are literally hundreds of comments to be made in response addressing just how wrong you are, and it's so provable that I question your intelligence for not taking some time to READ before commenting bullshit.
@Thorakites FACT: There is NO documentation of human culture that DID NOT involve religion to some degree. How hard is that for you to understand? There is evidence of religion as far back as language itself. Humans have been praying to spirits for AS long as we KNOW. No shit, religion didn't always exist. And in that time, people were as dumb as apes. Religion is the backbone of morality. Where you find human culture, you find religion. You can whine all you want. It is a fact.
Morality is social bullshit. Let me show you a line of thinking.
What is the most basic thing that allows me to have an idea of right and wrong? Compassion. This predates religion. Compassion tells me that hurting other people is wrong.
However, in life, we find situations all of the time where we MUST hurt someone, somehow. Morality allows you to hurt people and call it right. Let me outline an example in the next comment.
Say that you are attacked one day by a person, and you kill him in fear of what he could do to you. You want to know what you did was right. Logically, he was trying to hurt you and may have killed you. Socially, it is considered that defending yourself is right.
Let's move on from there. Now let's look at something else in the next comment.
Let's say that you see a person who doesn't share your opinions on myth, and wants to spread his to other people. Socially, many people share your feelings and believe this man is a sinner and must be punished for trying to convert other people to sin. You burn him alive for his beliefs. Logically, you harmed a man who you did not need to harm, but because of morality, you know what you did was right.
Tell me, which do you think is a better way to conduct ourselves?
Now, let's move on again. What really separates us from animals? Language? Religion? I don't think our ability to communicate is terribly special, nor do I think our ability to believe in things that don't exist is very important. I think the ability to use logic and reason, to understand the concepts of objectivity and subjectivity is what really separates us from animals.
@Thorakites You think morality fell from the fucking sky? By you're first grade theory, people always wore clothes because they were embarrassed to be seen naked. We feel that way now because it's embedded in us from years and years and years of doing it. It's the same for right and wrong. If morality did start from the dawn of man, then why don't we all have the same rules? How can some countries kill others without hesitating, but feel sympathy for their own people?
Bloody hell, way to completely REVERSE what I said! No, nitwit, I think the root of a GOOD IDEA of right and wrong comes from COMPASSION. MORALITY IS THE VERY THING THAT *LETS* PEOPLE KILL ONE ANOTHER AND FEEL THAT IT IS RIGHT. Morality changes based on any number of variables, and I don't think I'm very thankful of the very reason why people can be discriminated against because of age, sex, orientation and opinion, and have it considered morally right.
@Thorakites Oh my god, Morality is not the thing that let's people kill one another. Human instinct makes us kill one another. Religion is just an excuse to justify that instinct. And in some cases, prevents us from going through with that instinct. You are trying to poorly dispute that morality didn't give us structure. How is that possible since we do have morals and structure? It has a part in our success as a species. Because we ARE religion.
@CrabJock We're just going round and round. But I get it, it makes me angry giving credit to religion for anything good. But like slavery, the holocaust, and every other thing in our history, it has shaped who we are and what we consider right and wrong. We learn from mistakes and take what was good about them with us. We don't need religion anymore, I agree that it's what is wrong with the world now. But it did have part in our structure. All history shapes us in present.
Oh, I'm not denying it has shaped us, of course, every variable has shaped the world massively, religion included. I simply object to the idea that religion created the idea of right and wrong and that if we had never worshipped deities, we would have no concept of these ideas.
Morality is not what makes us kill each other, but it does help allow us to think that it's "right" to do so. I think in this world it is justifiable to kill someone in some circumstances, but it's not what I'd call right.
By the way, I'm not making a theory, I'm refuting your baseless claim that religion causes morality, which implies that it is not society that creates both religion and morality. In addition, I'm rebutting the idea that we should be thankful for morality.
Right and wrong are a matter of perception. And we each perceive what is right and wrong differently. That is morality. If it wasn't, we would all feel the same sympathy and empathy. But we don't. We are all taught at a young age what right and wrong is. Like your parents and their parents and so on. That is what makes us feel guilt and regret. Religion has been used for a base on keeping culture's as consistent as possible. That's structure.
Precisely, it's a subjective matter of perception. Yes, structure can be helpful, but it can also cause detriment. I think that very few people can use correct logic to argue for any form of hatred, but it's been done with morality many times.
@Thorakites I agree with everything but the underlying argument. And I highly doubt we're ever going to agree. I will always believe right and wrong are creations of man. For killing to be wrong, people have to know consequences. Yeah, today it's against the law, but America is founded on Christian belief. It might sound crazy of me to say but, killing is wrong only by what we consider wrong to be. People back then were confused by being self aware. Hence the creation of religion.
"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
-Treaty of Tripoli
Anyway, moving along, I think that right and wrong are essentially creations of man, but what other species do we have in our development level to compare against? Yes, we do essentially create the idea ourselves, and the specifics of what are right and wrong are iffy, but without a basis for comparison I don't think we can call it unique.
@Thorakites The treaty of Tripoli was an agreement that lands would not prosecute based on religion. So it was founded by Christians but not founded on the Christian belief. So yeah you're right. People were able to believe in their religion freely unless it was contrary to moral law. The word there is moral. Moral law? Morals are individually unique. And they have to come from some type of influence. I say it's Religion. Broken down, mixed up, deluded and laid out semi-consciously .
@Thorakites AH, I just now figured out where we're disconnected.
People had emotions that they could comprehend. They had no guidelines nor way of figuring out why they were having these feelings. A mother died. You felt something, but didn't know what it was. Being self aware, you had to put these pieces together. But with no knowledge of scientific law, they looked to the stars (in a matter of speaking). THAT"S what I mean. Religion as structure to our species.
@Thorakites Actually, I'm still lost. The thing is I agree with you, honestly. That's why I'm arguing in the first place. I guess a simple explanation to what I believe would be that Religion is a way that people could make sense of their emotions. And if we didn't have it, we would still be in the days when we were fucking each other in the ass all willy nilly. But today, religion is dangerous, because now we have scientific laws.
@CrabJock actually...evolution created most of what we call morals...religion was just a way to explain unexplained things (its still is aka:god did it)...that ended up being a tool to help morals(the usefull ones)proof?first of all people without morals are usualy considered sociopath,crazy,etc. secondly the consequence of killing your whole tribe to eat them was that you couldnt get help from them in case something went wrong.why you didnt kill them(could be religion) didnt matter at all.
@DIVAD291 That's sort of the same concept I was trying to explain. Way back in my first post until it got all philosophically twisted and insane (special thanks to Thorakites for helping with that mission). I said without religion, we wouldn't have right and wrong. Maybe I should have added "as we know it". It would most certainly be different today. Take marriage for example. What is so sacred about marriage to an atheist?
Personal belief aside, it's a pretty wild subject.
@CrabJock the ''as we know it'' changes everything.
marriage is a comitment to the one you love.if its in front of god or in front of a bald man wearing a robe doesnt really matter.anyways i think marriage would still exist in some form.if love exist there will be people in love and they will want to celebrate their love no matter what is their personal belief.
@diannabowen The bible isnt to be understood literally, which is sad that some apparently do. The stories is to tell how you should live, how god is and who you have to thank for living without sin. Jesus always talks in allegories. They are NOT to be understood literally, but is about how to behave e.g the good samaritan.
@zorgo12 so you're saying the bible outlays an example on the way we should behave? so you think that homosexuals should be put to death and that if children are being disobedient then you should stone them? you sick cunt.
@DietSprinkles did i EVER say i agreed with them? NO! so why on earth do you put words in my mouth? I just said that the bible is written in such a way that the stories tells a morale. how on EARTH did you get to the conclusion that i agreed with it?! It seems you have a hard time grasping what the text is saying and what YOU THINK the text are saying. that is two different things. you are the only sik cunt here, forcing and oppinion on to me.
@Turha101 here is another one, Galatians3:23-25 - But before faith came, we were kept under THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should be afterwards be Revealed. Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be Justified by faith. But after that the faith is come, we are No Longer under a schoolmaster.
@xspazzthumbxx I guess you don't read the bible. The Bible clearly says, Not to follow the old testament in Hebrews. Jesus came and sacrificed himself to give us a better life, a new life. I don't choose what part to believe-I believe the whole thing, hebrews tells me to follow Jesus in the NT. Again the OT is a shadow of the NT. The bible talks about humans like you and me who are not perfect. Their flaws are laid out, but it shows God coming to their aid.
Matthew 5:17 clearly states that the laws of the OT was never meant to change.
So it seems to me that you cant trow out the OT or its laws / rules. However i am aware that there are alot of contradictions in the bible, so if you know where it states what you said, i would want to know where.
Also for something to change your life, it does not have to be true.
@Turha101 cont. The bible doesn't contradict, there is the OT and the NT. The OT is a synopsis of the Jewish history and a shadow of the NT. If you read all of Hebrews it will make sense, well, you have to study it, it is very deep. You are right at the end. For me things got better and I stopped hurting people because of Jesus, nothing else. I was very evil, like all the bad movies people watch, evil, and when I gave my life to Him, i stopped hurting people, and I really did hurt people!
Im not saying that you are wrong, or that i am correct. All im asking you to do, is to cite the bible where your claims are supported.
Granted i have not read the whole thing, which is why i dont claim to actually know anything about what it says and does not say, hence my reason for asking you to cite the bible when claiming it.
When i said that the bible has contradictions in it, i aws not talking about this spot, just claiming that there are contradictions in the bible.
@Turha101 There are no contradictions in the Bible. There are different people with their P.O.V, and so they say their story of what happened. However, no contradictions. Do you understand what I was saying in Hebrews? Hebrews8:13, In that he saith. A new covenant, he hath made the FIRST old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Again that is one sentence out of the entire book of Hebrews. The whole Hebrews talks about this.
@Turha101 here is another one. Hebrews7:18, 19 - For there is a disannulling of the commandment, going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Understand this, we named the old testament and New. In the bible the old Testament is old covenant or the Law or carnal Law. Jesus made a new covenant with us, therefore the old is done away with. Jesus fulfilled the old for the new.
@Turha101 Judas hung himself, and fell down from the rope and burst open. Acts is a play on words, like you're such a ham. He bought the field with his sins, for Matt 27:7,8, the jewish leaders bought the field to bury strangers, and it is called Field of blood, just as acts 1:19. In fact matt 27: 7, 8 and acts 1:19 go together. So he bought it with his sins and blood, and the leaders bought it with the money Judas returned, 30 silver, for they couldn't keep the money. no contradiction.
One of them describes him dying from being hanged, and does not mention him falling down from the rope.
And the other explains about him fallng on a field, and dying by bursting open, which is later to be called the field of blood, after this event, and does not mention a rope
The details are clearly different, and i see nothing which would indicate that they should be linked.
What you are describing is a event which neither one of these two agree with (him hanging and exploding)
@Turha101 both show the field is called, the field of blood. His blood was spilled on both occasions, for the field to be called field of blood. the leaders bought the field because of him dying there. the bible isn't wrote by one person, so it isn't a flowing novel. It is short spurts of stories of things that took place for us to get the gist of it. The main points are about Christ. One person or persons saw him hanging. Later other people, namely the leaders saw him on the ground busted open.
Since i dont think either one of us will change their view, i wont accept your interpretation, but i do understand where you are coming from. So i wont agree with you, however since you have shown me that there can be an interpretation like this one, i will stop using this as a spot for contradiction.
Simply because i dont think i can say that honestly anymore.
Ofcourse i am aware of other locations where i think there is one.
@Turha101 it doesn't show contradicting stories, it shows a continuing story. Full story by reading all the facts, from various persons; Judas was a disciple of John, then followed Jesus, stole money from the purse, betrayed Jesus for 30 coins, felt bad and returned the coins, can't live with the guilt and so went to a field, hung himself, fell, busted open, the leaders bought the field with the returned money, for a place to bury strangers-Field of blood-or potters field. It makes sense.
@Turha101 Paul in the NT actually talks about how Jewish Christians converts heathens, greeks, etc. and then puts them under bondage again by forcing them to follow the OT-Jewish laws. He rebuked them and said, when you are free in Christ, your are free. The law is written in our hearts not on paper. Therefore, I don't want to steal, not because it is a written law, but because I just don't have a desire for it. People don't break the speeding law until they see the sirens!
@Turha101 sry it's long. the study of the scriptures is long, and can't be just surmised or debated without knowledge of it, with understanding. thanks for your patience.
They don't know what they are talking about. Obviously they didn't study anything and they are completely bias, therefore they didn't do any studies on the Bible. without faith, you become a dead soul. They Bible(Jesus) helped me not to be racist or hate others. So opposite of what they said, i used the bible as a moral compass and became an honest, loving person, not perfect, but far better than who I was. the Bible changed me and therefore made the world a better place, less hatred.
@TheDragonrage25 True. these guys right out are attacking the church, the Bible with hatred. They must have been offended in church. Hope they weren't catholic...
@MooncalfMagic why do you say i find that correct? I follow the new testament, Jesus Christ. Read it sometime. You actually follow it most of it without realizing. Most people who have morals follow it, just they don't believe in Jesus. The old testament is a shadow of the new. That is what the ancients did. We don't follow that in the NT-check you facts before you speak.
@TheMechanicalLemon I read the whole thing. I read everyday. Nothing racist about at all. In fact, contrary to your thought, i was a racist, until I read the Bible and gave my heart to Christ.
@Sloth451 without religion it would be a better place but the bible,the fairytale god and jesus got in the way and fucked things up.by the way i think satan was kicked out of heaven because god is a evil power hungry son of a bitch but your belief is a child thumb sucking belief anyway.time to grow up.
@Ahpc2 my family are religious but i grew up without it being around me and i'm a better person without it.the more important things are family and friends and helping others.and helping others make you really feel good of what you do and i'm the one doing it it's called self strength and not this ridiculous god notion.i don't need fantasy's to make me feel better,reality works best because it's real.
@mysanuty my family too were religious-all 4 of them. I was a foster kid bounced around from one religious home to another, that is why i became evil, I hated religion, anything to do with God. I was also physically abused by religious people as a child. You are right you are a better person without religion and so am I. however, I am not talking about religion. I put away my evil and gang-banging and racist ways when Christ came into my life. Your so called fantasy changed my life!
You can definitely prove the tomb was empty, yet you can't disprove grave robbers. Because people at that time didn't rob graves of famous and important people.
Why is there a video of a man cutting off his penis on the suggestions?
WeirdGuy4928 1 minute ago
I still don't get the reference to Penn saying "ELVIS NEVER DID NO DRUGS!" I get the context to that statement and the bible, but was it from a TV show, a book, a movie? I'm [metaphorically] dying to know.
erikaemergency 10 hours ago
4: 16 .... THOR BE WITH YOU!!!
VikingAxStudios 4 days ago
Penn doesn't like Elton John? Blasphemy!
OneSixFourFive 5 days ago
LOL, I don't understand science, so I believe in a god. I give him credit for, at least, admitting it.
dsrtdawg1 5 days ago
@dsrtdawg1 Let the baby have their bottle, amirite?
patu8010 5 days ago
Really people read the bible and smell the bullshit.
whitefire1997 5 days ago
IX. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
X. Thou shalt not seethe a kid [ie, a young goat] in his mother’s milk.
whitefire1997 5 days ago
VII. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.
VIII. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
whitefire1997 5 days ago
The 10 Commandments Per the Bible
I. Thou shalt worship no other god.
II. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
III. The feast of unleavened bread thou shalt keep.
IV. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.
V. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest,
and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.
VI. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord God.
whitefire1997 5 days ago
This show is great but it always makes me sadly aware of how dumb a lot of people are. I wish people were more skeptical of themselves.
deprogramr 1 week ago
@deprogramr I don't think people are dumb. It just seems they've been taught how NOT to think. The show points out that there is a serious lack of critical thinking out there.
wifferste 18 hours ago
@wifferste fair... dumb isn't really a good word to use either, not really sure where I was coming from with that stuff. I must have had a bad day or something. You said it in a nicer way, lack of critical thinking is more like it. Dogmas just seem really weird to me.
deprogramr 5 hours ago
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@soadpwnsyou because I'm an educated person, and I'm not going to sit on one side of an argument with no knowledge of the other side or where they're coming from. I am NOT here, however, to pointlessly argue on the internets.
SuperBoomstick 1 week ago
@soadpwnsyou because I'm an educated person, and I'm not going to sit on one side of an argument with no knowledge of the other side or where they're coming from. I am NOT here, however, to pointlessly argue on the internets. -_-
SuperBoomstick 1 week ago
Read the Bible because we need more atheists...
So true
Vierzbanator 1 week ago
@Vierzbanator I say that too!
whitefire1997 5 days ago
i thought this was done pretty respectfully on trying to debunk the bible without criticizing the believers and pissing them off.... As a christian that believes in jesus and his death for our sins, Im still going keep to my faith but Im a little happy that there are some atheist that are not just d-bags about their beliefs vs others
TheSlaughterJoker 1 week ago 2
"We need more atheists"
That's a depressing thought.
SuperBoomstick 1 week ago
@SuperBoomstick
Why are you even watching this?
soadpwnsyou 1 week ago
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stevensennardo 1 week ago
i've noticed most 'religious intellectuals' leans so heavily on that stupid fuck-ugly patronizing smile when trying to insult science and save their own faith.
billabongwardle 1 week ago
The Bible is still a better book than twilight.
Elestareus 2 weeks ago 3
@Elestareus Ehh. Hard to choose hateful silly bullshit vs wussy glittering bullshit. I'd rather go read Haruki Murakami.
wildsmiley 2 weeks ago
I'm Catholic-Christian but nonetheless I find Penn and Teller hysterical and genius. I was hoping to see more comments on how funny Penn and Teller are, but it looks like all I see are butthurt atheists and butthurt Christians.
54321vlogs 2 weeks ago
@54321vlogs I'm an athiest who was raised catholic. I'm not butthurt, I find Penn and Teller hillarious beyond words.
I see your point though, too many people getting aggro, not enough love for a dynamite pair of comedic magicians.
davidsfriend01 1 week ago
Who give a shit about this punke ass jesus The LIER of The LIERS
queriaoutronick 2 weeks ago
I thought the Old Testament was pretty much tossed out by Jesus when he showed up in the New Testament? So all those old Jewish laws were pooched.
alexrempel12390 2 weeks ago
@alexrempel12390 Exactly. And Jesus as I know him from the Bible would be against all those fundamental shit that's going on right now.
algi80 2 weeks ago
@alexrempel12390 ten commandments are in the old testament.
also jesus said he was not here to change the law but enforce it
haz020190 2 weeks ago
Who is that supposed to be at 1:47?
IoEstasCedonta 3 weeks ago
Motherfucker man, someone please pelt that screaming, idiotic, uneducated, inbred fucking redneck with a rock to the head please. "YOU AINT TAKIN MY BIBLE!" "AMEN BROTHER!" "THE CONSTITUTION SAYS IM ALLOWED TO HAVE EM!" I take it, much like your bible, you haven't read much of the constitution either, have ya hillbilly?
TwoHandedSledge 3 weeks ago
Add the disclaimer to everything. Start with kids cartoons.
FranticMydlo 3 weeks ago
I cracked up at 6:36 :D
urhomies 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from Nicoaraeradu
I hate the phrase "anything can happen", just because it's so moronically stupid!
urhomies 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from Nicoaraeradu
NO agh... a man jerking off with the floor, what a desecration!
DraskyVanderhoff 3 weeks ago
@DraskyVanderhoff 3:41
DraskyVanderhoff 3 weeks ago
Can we kill the people that say "Anything could happen" and them say to their parents... "Anything could happen" ? Just a playful idea :)
DraskyVanderhoff 3 weeks ago
i love this show
thezombiekiller87 4 weeks ago
3:41 the guy is fucking the floor :O
superhbman 4 weeks ago
@superhbman That's not even the silliest thing that many religions make you do.
wildsmiley 2 weeks ago
All I learnt from this is elvis didn't do no drugs.. and I don't even give a shit
joklangpwns 4 weeks ago
@joklangpwns
So you already knew the Bible was bullshit? Then why'd you even watch it? It's even got it in the title "Penn and Teller's Bullshit - The Bible".
SigurdHeathen 2 weeks ago
love the actual footage notions :D
rahvu420 4 weeks ago
Is that really real footage???
mahala345 4 weeks ago
@mahala345 i really hope you're being a troll
Ermer17 4 weeks ago
whats with that robotic vagina in the video recommendations? it's destracting...
zenthex1234 4 weeks ago
@ 1:23 his face is saying "I just schooled you!!" LAWLS
MrAbortionPunch 1 month ago
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MrAbortionPunch 1 month ago
ELVIS NEVVA DID NO DRUUUGS!
simonlool 1 month ago 30
@simonlool Jesus neva did no druuugs. A little wine here and there, but no pharmaceuticals.....
squonk25 1 week ago
@simonlool that is going to be my response everytime some one starts to talk to me about the bible
aceoffail 3 days ago
6:10 he starts layin down the bullshit
thevgman 1 month ago
I can understand Christian's desire to try and press conversion on everything that breaths because of the massive increase in non-believers. I can understand Jesus being a real person and probably a really good guy. I can understand them hitting each other with jackets and smashing coffee cups with the word "SIN" on it with a hammer and screaming. But what the fuck is the deal with the bunny hiding eggs?
Grimno 1 month ago
@Grimno
Funnily enough, Jesus was an asshole and did a BUNCH of hateful bullshit that they show in the bible, so I never really bought the whole "nice guy" thing.
Thorakites 1 month ago 11
@Thorakites Jesus also said that you should hate your own family, if you are to follow me. Haha
misjif2341 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from Nicoaraeradu
I can't believe people can say the bible stories are true with a straight face....
MakeGyoza 1 month ago
guy at 4:08 has clearly cheated on his wife.
karasuu 1 month ago
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
lochen33 1 month ago
alhamdullah
MAFiA303 1 month ago
Holy shit, people are thick. HOW can you be claiming to be a reasonable person and believe that the bible is something to be taken LITERALLY? This has nothing to do with history or science. It's just a cute story. The book probably describes cycles of the sun and out of body experiences. And some of those skeptics are real fucking stupid too. Not really being too different from religion by saying stuff like "we don't use that method of thinking in science"... Be creative! Form your own opinions!
Thulldorn 1 month ago
@Thulldorn What are you talking about? "We don't use that method of thinking in science" is totally valid. Science doesn't allow something to be claimed as fact just because there is no evidence one way or another. Science remains neutral if there is no evidence one way or the other. Otherwise, one can claim anything. Absence of evidence is indeed not evidence of absence, but it's certainly not evidence of existence.
SeireiShikyo 1 month ago
@Thulldorn
They're saying that in Science you cannot prove something's existence by proving it cannot be disproved.
Go look up something called Russel's Teapot, it gives a fantastic example of this argument from ignorance fallacy.
Please, know what you're talking about before yelling at people...
Thorakites 1 month ago
The only reason why the Old Testament (an originally Jewish text,) has been kept as a Christian text is because it gives the leaders of the Church more power. In most of the New Testament, Jesus goes around openly ignoring most of the teachings put down in the OT, saying that God isn't 'full of wrath', and is instead 'all-loving'. If the Church REALLY cared about 'following Christ', they'd throw out the OT, but they don't, because it allows them to control people through guilt and fear.
PassTheMarmalade1957 1 month ago
Also, the US Supreme Court building has a frieze depicting Moses with the Ten Commandments. Why can't the states have a monument to the Ten Commandments?
Depictions of ancient Greek & Roman goddesses (such as Justice) are ok?
mcboozerilla 1 month ago
@mcboozerilla
Does the presence of ancient deities endorse them as religious figures? I'm betting no on that one.
As for the frieze, I'd need some context on that one.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites That is to say, I'd need to know the context of it's depiction and presence before I could say if it should be removed or not.
Thorakites 1 month ago
This program is ridiculous because Penn and the atheist skeptic are often slipping into the argument that so much is false and immoral in the Bible that is has NO value. There are a lot of great, and true, things in the Bible and there are standards for interpreting it, whether they be from science and history or from a moral perspective.
You don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
mcboozerilla 1 month ago
@mcboozerilla There's nothing positive in the Bible that doesn't exist in other texts and sources. If you believe the Bible has good bits then speak out in favour of them, but you must also speak out against the bad bits. To consider this a holy book because it contains some nice teachings is to totally miss the point.
endofscene 1 month ago
@mcboozerilla
I have yet to read anything in the Bible that did not exist before it was written and would have continued to exist without it. Sure, you can find a few good things in there, but you can find the same things in other places without the insane delusions and the socially based bigotry.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@mcboozerilla it seriously doesnt have a lot of value...to be honest less then a LOT of other books that have nothing to do with religion...
DIVAD291 3 weeks ago
4:10 Lebowski? is that you?
Serge0 1 month ago
The bible...cook book for a dish of idiots!
restoremaz 1 month ago
the women period thing is O.T. leviticus 15:19-24? if anyone couldn't follow that. Lost the plot a bit there he did.
mattshark100 1 month ago in playlist More videos from Nicoaraeradu
I don't understand Christianity, if you want to do good, then DO GOOD!! Why do you have to attach all of these crazy stories and insist they are real? What difference does that make?
diannabowen 1 month ago 28
@diannabowen Even though I'm an atheist, I still have to say without religion, "good" wouldn't exist. All morality comes from religion. Proof? Being an atheist means you don't believe in sin, and since sin derives purely from religion, right or wrong have no real consequence after death.
These morals are embedded deep within us regardless of religion in present times. They embed deep when you're young. So in a way, you got to kinda thank religion for giving structure to our race.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock Great structure.
endofscene 1 month ago
@CrabJock
That's bullshit. Pure and complete bullshit. Concepts of good and bad are NOT unique to religious societies, and you, sir, can seriously eat a fucking razor for telling such a painfully obvious LIE. I'm seriously wondering how the hell you can exist with the amount of ignorance it would take to believe that. Ignorance in history, sociology, myth, religion itself, and hell, fucking EMOTIONS and their root. What you've said is even stupider than some of the religious crap.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites "hurr durr dat aint the truf" Being an atheist and believing in morals is a contradiction. But for you, just plain fucking retarded. There is no written record of human history that does not include some sort of religion as a foundation for law and principles. How you can even conceive that there was blows my mind. WE created religion because we needed a sense of purpose and consequence. How the fuck are you an atheist and not believe that? You need to read a book badly.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Don't sit there and tell someone who actually studies history and KNOWS of civilizations that had religions which did NOT provide moral direction that "religion gives us teh sin and gud lol!111"
If you think we just "decided" on day to form a religion to give people something, you know nothing about the actual origins of religion.
It would be like believing that one day in Roma, they just DECIDED to change it to an empire.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Look around the world, our fucked up little culture is not the only one, there are plenty of other cultures that get no morality from religion, but have these things ingrained in the culture itself. I mean, hell, I can give you a basic morality just by using compassion and some logic! Bloody hell, is your imagination that limited that you can't even think for yourself?
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Finally, I think ideas of excessive morality are bad. At a time our society thought it was moral to beat women, children, to hang people for their skin color, to own slaves, and thousands of other things that would make today's morals shake.
Hell, there are thousands of things TODAY that make me shake when I consider they are accepted as "moral". I don't care what some fucking society considers wrong or right, I want to use my own compassion and logic to determine it.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites Some of the oldest writings are religion based. Hell, Egyptians lived and died religion. For the love of god show me one record of an atheist that is older than any record dealing with religion. You're just a hypocritical atheist that hates religious people just because you don't agree. Atleast I'm an atheist with an argument. You're just an intolerant self proclaimed know-it-all who thinks he knows things that nobody else knows. That's impossible.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Hates religious people? Hell, how can I hate people for being indoctrinated in society the same we all are? I can look at certain colors and get a programmed reaction to them, a completely illogical one that I know is bullshit, but one that's there anyway. There's sociological bullshit everywhere, I'm not going to blame people for not having the strength to cast off things ingrained since birth.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
I consider myself lucky to have been born to a house with people who did not attempt to make me believe ANYTHING. I was never told to believe in or not believe in anything.
You say I don't have an argument? In reality, I didn't respond with one because there are literally hundreds of comments to be made in response addressing just how wrong you are, and it's so provable that I question your intelligence for not taking some time to READ before commenting bullshit.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites FACT: There is NO documentation of human culture that DID NOT involve religion to some degree. How hard is that for you to understand? There is evidence of religion as far back as language itself. Humans have been praying to spirits for AS long as we KNOW. No shit, religion didn't always exist. And in that time, people were as dumb as apes. Religion is the backbone of morality. Where you find human culture, you find religion. You can whine all you want. It is a fact.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Morality is social bullshit. Let me show you a line of thinking.
What is the most basic thing that allows me to have an idea of right and wrong? Compassion. This predates religion. Compassion tells me that hurting other people is wrong.
However, in life, we find situations all of the time where we MUST hurt someone, somehow. Morality allows you to hurt people and call it right. Let me outline an example in the next comment.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Say that you are attacked one day by a person, and you kill him in fear of what he could do to you. You want to know what you did was right. Logically, he was trying to hurt you and may have killed you. Socially, it is considered that defending yourself is right.
Let's move on from there. Now let's look at something else in the next comment.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Let's say that you see a person who doesn't share your opinions on myth, and wants to spread his to other people. Socially, many people share your feelings and believe this man is a sinner and must be punished for trying to convert other people to sin. You burn him alive for his beliefs. Logically, you harmed a man who you did not need to harm, but because of morality, you know what you did was right.
Tell me, which do you think is a better way to conduct ourselves?
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Now, let's move on again. What really separates us from animals? Language? Religion? I don't think our ability to communicate is terribly special, nor do I think our ability to believe in things that don't exist is very important. I think the ability to use logic and reason, to understand the concepts of objectivity and subjectivity is what really separates us from animals.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites You think morality fell from the fucking sky? By you're first grade theory, people always wore clothes because they were embarrassed to be seen naked. We feel that way now because it's embedded in us from years and years and years of doing it. It's the same for right and wrong. If morality did start from the dawn of man, then why don't we all have the same rules? How can some countries kill others without hesitating, but feel sympathy for their own people?
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Bloody hell, way to completely REVERSE what I said! No, nitwit, I think the root of a GOOD IDEA of right and wrong comes from COMPASSION. MORALITY IS THE VERY THING THAT *LETS* PEOPLE KILL ONE ANOTHER AND FEEL THAT IT IS RIGHT. Morality changes based on any number of variables, and I don't think I'm very thankful of the very reason why people can be discriminated against because of age, sex, orientation and opinion, and have it considered morally right.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites Oh my god, Morality is not the thing that let's people kill one another. Human instinct makes us kill one another. Religion is just an excuse to justify that instinct. And in some cases, prevents us from going through with that instinct. You are trying to poorly dispute that morality didn't give us structure. How is that possible since we do have morals and structure? It has a part in our success as a species. Because we ARE religion.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock We're just going round and round. But I get it, it makes me angry giving credit to religion for anything good. But like slavery, the holocaust, and every other thing in our history, it has shaped who we are and what we consider right and wrong. We learn from mistakes and take what was good about them with us. We don't need religion anymore, I agree that it's what is wrong with the world now. But it did have part in our structure. All history shapes us in present.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Oh, I'm not denying it has shaped us, of course, every variable has shaped the world massively, religion included. I simply object to the idea that religion created the idea of right and wrong and that if we had never worshipped deities, we would have no concept of these ideas.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Morality is not what makes us kill each other, but it does help allow us to think that it's "right" to do so. I think in this world it is justifiable to kill someone in some circumstances, but it's not what I'd call right.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@CrabJock
By the way, I'm not making a theory, I'm refuting your baseless claim that religion causes morality, which implies that it is not society that creates both religion and morality. In addition, I'm rebutting the idea that we should be thankful for morality.
Thorakites 1 month ago
Right and wrong are a matter of perception. And we each perceive what is right and wrong differently. That is morality. If it wasn't, we would all feel the same sympathy and empathy. But we don't. We are all taught at a young age what right and wrong is. Like your parents and their parents and so on. That is what makes us feel guilt and regret. Religion has been used for a base on keeping culture's as consistent as possible. That's structure.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
Precisely, it's a subjective matter of perception. Yes, structure can be helpful, but it can also cause detriment. I think that very few people can use correct logic to argue for any form of hatred, but it's been done with morality many times.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites I agree with everything but the underlying argument. And I highly doubt we're ever going to agree. I will always believe right and wrong are creations of man. For killing to be wrong, people have to know consequences. Yeah, today it's against the law, but America is founded on Christian belief. It might sound crazy of me to say but, killing is wrong only by what we consider wrong to be. People back then were confused by being self aware. Hence the creation of religion.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
-Treaty of Tripoli
Anyway, moving along, I think that right and wrong are essentially creations of man, but what other species do we have in our development level to compare against? Yes, we do essentially create the idea ourselves, and the specifics of what are right and wrong are iffy, but without a basis for comparison I don't think we can call it unique.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites The treaty of Tripoli was an agreement that lands would not prosecute based on religion. So it was founded by Christians but not founded on the Christian belief. So yeah you're right. People were able to believe in their religion freely unless it was contrary to moral law. The word there is moral. Moral law? Morals are individually unique. And they have to come from some type of influence. I say it's Religion. Broken down, mixed up, deluded and laid out semi-consciously .
CrabJock 1 month ago
@Thorakites AH, I just now figured out where we're disconnected.
People had emotions that they could comprehend. They had no guidelines nor way of figuring out why they were having these feelings. A mother died. You felt something, but didn't know what it was. Being self aware, you had to put these pieces together. But with no knowledge of scientific law, they looked to the stars (in a matter of speaking). THAT"S what I mean. Religion as structure to our species.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@Thorakites Actually, I'm still lost. The thing is I agree with you, honestly. That's why I'm arguing in the first place. I guess a simple explanation to what I believe would be that Religion is a way that people could make sense of their emotions. And if we didn't have it, we would still be in the days when we were fucking each other in the ass all willy nilly. But today, religion is dangerous, because now we have scientific laws.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock
LOL, I don't think there's been a time we've not been fucking each other in the ass willy nilly, nor would I say that's a bad thing.
Thorakites 1 month ago
@Thorakites Ha. I dunno though. I think hemorrhoids ruin the fun for some people.
CrabJock 1 month ago
@CrabJock actually...evolution created most of what we call morals...religion was just a way to explain unexplained things (its still is aka:god did it)...that ended up being a tool to help morals(the usefull ones)proof?first of all people without morals are usualy considered sociopath,crazy,etc. secondly the consequence of killing your whole tribe to eat them was that you couldnt get help from them in case something went wrong.why you didnt kill them(could be religion) didnt matter at all.
DIVAD291 3 weeks ago
@DIVAD291 That's sort of the same concept I was trying to explain. Way back in my first post until it got all philosophically twisted and insane (special thanks to Thorakites for helping with that mission). I said without religion, we wouldn't have right and wrong. Maybe I should have added "as we know it". It would most certainly be different today. Take marriage for example. What is so sacred about marriage to an atheist?
Personal belief aside, it's a pretty wild subject.
CrabJock 3 weeks ago
@CrabJock the ''as we know it'' changes everything.
marriage is a comitment to the one you love.if its in front of god or in front of a bald man wearing a robe doesnt really matter.anyways i think marriage would still exist in some form.if love exist there will be people in love and they will want to celebrate their love no matter what is their personal belief.
DIVAD291 3 weeks ago
@diannabowen The bible isnt to be understood literally, which is sad that some apparently do. The stories is to tell how you should live, how god is and who you have to thank for living without sin. Jesus always talks in allegories. They are NOT to be understood literally, but is about how to behave e.g the good samaritan.
zorgo12 1 month ago
@zorgo12 so you're saying the bible outlays an example on the way we should behave? so you think that homosexuals should be put to death and that if children are being disobedient then you should stone them? you sick cunt.
DietSprinkles 4 weeks ago
@DietSprinkles did i EVER say i agreed with them? NO! so why on earth do you put words in my mouth? I just said that the bible is written in such a way that the stories tells a morale. how on EARTH did you get to the conclusion that i agreed with it?! It seems you have a hard time grasping what the text is saying and what YOU THINK the text are saying. that is two different things. you are the only sik cunt here, forcing and oppinion on to me.
zorgo12 1 week ago
1 Corinthians 11: 19-24 never mentioned anything about a woman on her period. Penn fucked up on that one.
QBALL85 1 month ago
@QBALL85 Wrong verse, but that is in the old testament.
PhilanVortex 1 month ago
@PhilanVortex Indeed it is.
QBALL85 1 month ago
I remember when that happened. When the 10 Commandments was removed from that courthouse. How could I forget, it was all over the news.
BlkAmerPncS 2 months ago
Elvis never sang a song in whole damn life! It was his twin brother, the one that died at birth.
Rarae192 2 months ago
Elvis never did no drugs.
Kushien 2 months ago
I accept bible as a good story and christians (sry for writing it wrong) as a religion but not as a science
jopi122 2 months ago
elvis didn't eat no fried chicken neither. :P
mattybock 2 months ago 5
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@Turha101 here is another one, Galatians3:23-25 - But before faith came, we were kept under THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should be afterwards be Revealed. Wherefore the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be Justified by faith. But after that the faith is come, we are No Longer under a schoolmaster.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
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Ahpc2 2 months ago
People like this disgust me. They are in a deep need of prayer. It's so sad too see how ignorance blinds people from the utter truth.
brain55able 2 months ago
@Ahpc2 so again, picking and choosing which parts to believe and which parts not to believe.
xspazzthumbxx 2 months ago
@xspazzthumbxx I guess you don't read the bible. The Bible clearly says, Not to follow the old testament in Hebrews. Jesus came and sacrificed himself to give us a better life, a new life. I don't choose what part to believe-I believe the whole thing, hebrews tells me to follow Jesus in the NT. Again the OT is a shadow of the NT. The bible talks about humans like you and me who are not perfect. Their flaws are laid out, but it shows God coming to their aid.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2
Can you give me a quote where it states that?
Matthew 5:17 clearly states that the laws of the OT was never meant to change.
So it seems to me that you cant trow out the OT or its laws / rules. However i am aware that there are alot of contradictions in the bible, so if you know where it states what you said, i would want to know where.
Also for something to change your life, it does not have to be true.
Turha101 2 months ago
@Turha101 cont. The bible doesn't contradict, there is the OT and the NT. The OT is a synopsis of the Jewish history and a shadow of the NT. If you read all of Hebrews it will make sense, well, you have to study it, it is very deep. You are right at the end. For me things got better and I stopped hurting people because of Jesus, nothing else. I was very evil, like all the bad movies people watch, evil, and when I gave my life to Him, i stopped hurting people, and I really did hurt people!
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2
Im not saying that you are wrong, or that i am correct. All im asking you to do, is to cite the bible where your claims are supported.
Granted i have not read the whole thing, which is why i dont claim to actually know anything about what it says and does not say, hence my reason for asking you to cite the bible when claiming it.
When i said that the bible has contradictions in it, i aws not talking about this spot, just claiming that there are contradictions in the bible.
Turha101 2 months ago
@Turha101 There are no contradictions in the Bible. There are different people with their P.O.V, and so they say their story of what happened. However, no contradictions. Do you understand what I was saying in Hebrews? Hebrews8:13, In that he saith. A new covenant, he hath made the FIRST old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Again that is one sentence out of the entire book of Hebrews. The whole Hebrews talks about this.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Turha101 here is another one. Hebrews7:18, 19 - For there is a disannulling of the commandment, going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Understand this, we named the old testament and New. In the bible the old Testament is old covenant or the Law or carnal Law. Jesus made a new covenant with us, therefore the old is done away with. Jesus fulfilled the old for the new.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2
That was more of the answer that i was looking for, i might give it a read later.
Erm when those people are describing pretty much the same event, but the details of the event are different, then that is a contradiction.
Ill give you an example.
How did Judas die?
By hanging himself ( matt 27:5 )
Or did he buy a field, fell, and had his body burst open ( acts 1:18 )
These are one simple example of a contradiction.
There are more ofcourse.
Turha101 2 months ago
@Turha101 Judas hung himself, and fell down from the rope and burst open. Acts is a play on words, like you're such a ham. He bought the field with his sins, for Matt 27:7,8, the jewish leaders bought the field to bury strangers, and it is called Field of blood, just as acts 1:19. In fact matt 27: 7, 8 and acts 1:19 go together. So he bought it with his sins and blood, and the leaders bought it with the money Judas returned, 30 silver, for they couldn't keep the money. no contradiction.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2
One of them describes him dying from being hanged, and does not mention him falling down from the rope.
And the other explains about him fallng on a field, and dying by bursting open, which is later to be called the field of blood, after this event, and does not mention a rope
The details are clearly different, and i see nothing which would indicate that they should be linked.
What you are describing is a event which neither one of these two agree with (him hanging and exploding)
Turha101 2 months ago
@Turha101 both show the field is called, the field of blood. His blood was spilled on both occasions, for the field to be called field of blood. the leaders bought the field because of him dying there. the bible isn't wrote by one person, so it isn't a flowing novel. It is short spurts of stories of things that took place for us to get the gist of it. The main points are about Christ. One person or persons saw him hanging. Later other people, namely the leaders saw him on the ground busted open.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2
You know what?
Since i dont think either one of us will change their view, i wont accept your interpretation, but i do understand where you are coming from. So i wont agree with you, however since you have shown me that there can be an interpretation like this one, i will stop using this as a spot for contradiction.
Simply because i dont think i can say that honestly anymore.
Ofcourse i am aware of other locations where i think there is one.
Turha101 2 months ago
@Turha101 it doesn't show contradicting stories, it shows a continuing story. Full story by reading all the facts, from various persons; Judas was a disciple of John, then followed Jesus, stole money from the purse, betrayed Jesus for 30 coins, felt bad and returned the coins, can't live with the guilt and so went to a field, hung himself, fell, busted open, the leaders bought the field with the returned money, for a place to bury strangers-Field of blood-or potters field. It makes sense.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2
Arguing over theology is probably not what we have both have planed for this veacation, i bet we have both more important things to take care of. :)
So merry christmas, and a happy new year for you two mate :)
Turha101 2 months ago
@Ahpc2 Well they're still stories...
MrShellX 1 month ago
@Turha101 If you reply and I don't answer for a bit, it's because of the Christmas holiday. So merry Christmas and a very happy new year. TTYL
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Turha101 Please read Hebrews 7, at least. The whole thing for this topic is the book of Hebrews.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Turha101 Paul in the NT actually talks about how Jewish Christians converts heathens, greeks, etc. and then puts them under bondage again by forcing them to follow the OT-Jewish laws. He rebuked them and said, when you are free in Christ, your are free. The law is written in our hearts not on paper. Therefore, I don't want to steal, not because it is a written law, but because I just don't have a desire for it. People don't break the speeding law until they see the sirens!
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Turha101 sry it's long. the study of the scriptures is long, and can't be just surmised or debated without knowledge of it, with understanding. thanks for your patience.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
About the graven images commandment. What about the religious paraphernalia and crosses that are sold EVERYWHERE?
ChickenRamen 2 months ago
@ChickenRamen read the commandment carefully-If you make them and bow down to them.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
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ChickenRamen 2 months ago
lmao the guy at 4:16 looks like his jacking off
superguy658 2 months ago 9
@superguy658
>his = he's
Pakanahymni 1 month ago
I like how the sceptic is telling me how to be Christian. Sorry mate, I make my own way in life. I don't need someone to tell me how to believe.
scw55 2 months ago
They don't know what they are talking about. Obviously they didn't study anything and they are completely bias, therefore they didn't do any studies on the Bible. without faith, you become a dead soul. They Bible(Jesus) helped me not to be racist or hate others. So opposite of what they said, i used the bible as a moral compass and became an honest, loving person, not perfect, but far better than who I was. the Bible changed me and therefore made the world a better place, less hatred.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2 Which is strange because all the Atheist I know are considerably less prejudicial than the religious fanatics (aka church).
TheDragonrage25 2 months ago
@TheDragonrage25 True. these guys right out are attacking the church, the Bible with hatred. They must have been offended in church. Hope they weren't catholic...
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2 So, if you're not racist; why do you consider killing Egyptian children to be morally correct?
MooncalfMagic 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@MooncalfMagic why do you say i find that correct? I follow the new testament, Jesus Christ. Read it sometime. You actually follow it most of it without realizing. Most people who have morals follow it, just they don't believe in Jesus. The old testament is a shadow of the new. That is what the ancients did. We don't follow that in the NT-check you facts before you speak.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2 The bible is Extremely racist and violent. Please read it, please.
TheMechanicalLemon 2 months ago
@TheMechanicalLemon I read the whole thing. I read everyday. Nothing racist about at all. In fact, contrary to your thought, i was a racist, until I read the Bible and gave my heart to Christ.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
elvis didt do no drugs
abdulduule 2 months ago
4:18 yeah ask the skinhead
twentyoneandsix 2 months ago
The guy at 4:15 is wearing a Mjolnir pendant. That's Asatru; I'm not surprised he didn't know the ten irrelevant commandments..
TheLogicStick 2 months ago
Just think of it, without religion 2000 years ago, we could be exploring the galaxy by now...
helljumpr5150 2 months ago
@helljumpr5150 phah and probly failing
Sloth451 2 months ago
@Sloth451 without religion it would be a better place but the bible,the fairytale god and jesus got in the way and fucked things up.by the way i think satan was kicked out of heaven because god is a evil power hungry son of a bitch but your belief is a child thumb sucking belief anyway.time to grow up.
mysanuty 2 months ago
@mysanuty really? Because of the Bible I have become a better person. I'm not a gangster and a criminal trying to hurt people.
Ahpc2 2 months ago
@Ahpc2 my family are religious but i grew up without it being around me and i'm a better person without it.the more important things are family and friends and helping others.and helping others make you really feel good of what you do and i'm the one doing it it's called self strength and not this ridiculous god notion.i don't need fantasy's to make me feel better,reality works best because it's real.
mysanuty 2 months ago
@mysanuty my family too were religious-all 4 of them. I was a foster kid bounced around from one religious home to another, that is why i became evil, I hated religion, anything to do with God. I was also physically abused by religious people as a child. You are right you are a better person without religion and so am I. however, I am not talking about religion. I put away my evil and gang-banging and racist ways when Christ came into my life. Your so called fantasy changed my life!
Ahpc2 2 months ago
You can definitely prove the tomb was empty, yet you can't disprove grave robbers. Because people at that time didn't rob graves of famous and important people.
JAB63096 2 months ago