The US military kills its own: Maj. Doug Rokke

[SouthernCross33]

Remember what Kissinger said about the military? "They're dumb beasts who obey orders"

[SouthernCross33]

Not everyone loses in war, there is certain ppl in the US govt who win on every level when it comes to these wars, especially these more recent wars against muslim countries. They win financially, they win by decimating the US military (and its allies) they win the propaganda war also. These ppl are zionists and their loyalty is with Israel, they actually hate the US and it's military, they only use the US for military muscle to destroy Israels enemies. Stop getting your ppl killed for Israel

[JOHNNYSschool]

So what is the treatment for DU exposure??? A lot of us Iraq vet have rashes and semtoms but they don't do anything about it but give us drugs to make us numb?

[MRBLACKPEARL04]

You go to war never to defend the country . You go because of corporation interest. You have been brainwashed

[centurion180ad]

The purpose of war is not to kill.

The purpose of war is to achieve a political objective by extraordinary means.

For a professional force killing is a regrettable means, not an end sought.

[lazer1million]

@centurion180ad uh, you've obviously never been in the Army. For people with a conscience killing other human beings is horrible, but a lot of guys enlist in the infantry, and other combat arms, to kill people. It's like hunting. Some people like it, others are disgusted by it.

[centurion180ad]

@lazer1million I was navy.

I don't care why someone enlisted.

Hague & Geneva Conventions and military justice is what matters on a battlefield.

The PURPOSE of war is to obtain a political objective, not to kill, not to harm, but to obtain a desired end.

"Do not heap every injury onto an opponent of which it is in your power to inflict, because in time your current opponent may become your only ally." --Ancient Proverb

[clsacose]

@DURound are you in denial or just a fault finder, or an all knowing arrogant person? Who are you to say this man is lying? What documentation do YOU have to prove otherwise?

[phoneyid]

So DURound; we agree that this is how DU should be handled..

watch?v=B8vVZTvJNGk&feature=fv­w

And that it has been scattered around Iraq.

Keep singing it's praises, and I hope your shares do well.

With people of such high morals and ethics (selling coke to his own) like Lt Col Oliver North leading American policy, as he's recently been appointed foreign advisor for the Republicans, I'm sure every action taken by USA is for the greater good of all humanity.

Cannon Fodder. In DU We Trust.

[DURound]

Phony: we agree that this is how DU should be handled..

DURound: That video actually says right out that handling DU .. the problem is not the radioactivity. Also, if you note, they are not protecting themselves against any radiation. And they do not claim that the problem is that it causes birth defects but rather that it attacks the liver (which is only partly right, the real attack is kidneys).

[DURound]

Phony: And that it has been scattered around Iraq.

DURound: Yes it has been. And did you not hear the fellow at the end of the video? He says you would have your work cut out to eat this stuff because it is extremely hard.

In actual fact, it would be hard to accidentally ingest enough to poison yourself. You would have to do it on purpose.

[DURound]

Phony: Keep singing it's praises

DURound: do you realize how many lives depend upon it every day? I mean actually depend upon it?

and I hope your shares do well.

DURound: Do you realize that it is a byproduct of nuclear energy and that it is not sold in the US in any significant volume by any company? My comments have nothing to do with money. They have to do with dispelling false information.

Don't you think its a good thing to have correct information?

[DURound]

Phony: I'm sure every action taken by USA is for the greater good of all humanity

DURound: My first interest is if it is good for the USA. Only after that am I concerned about whether it is good for other people.

[wilbbur83]

@DURound let me just say we all serve a purpose in this world and believe it or not we are actually very dependent on each other... we need each other... and what happens to other people has indirect and direct effects on you and I brother.

[DURound]

@wilbbur83 Mumbo jumbo talk. There are countless people who have lived and died even in my same city much less across the world... whose lives never touched mine nor anyone I know.

[wilbbur83]

@DURound oh but they do my friend.. I've taken several classes in Public Health and one example is financially it affects you when people live a lower quality life around you because they suffer greater health disparities thus creating stress on economy. Another example: when a government's policies, American or otherwise, is not welcomed and is rejected by another country this affects you because this can make enemies of your very way of life... so trust me there are countless ways u r affected

[DURound]

@wilbbur83 Yes, I am aware of how socialist and liberals, use pseudo-scientific booshwash to try to get other people to imagine that the plight of others affects them in some Gaia manner.

I don't buy it for a second and its an appeal to entirely selfish motives to get people to approve socialist agenda programs for the poor.

As for enemies... we are gonna have them. There is no stopping it. 

[wilbbur83]

@DURound what are you talking about dude... uh... so all of history is made up like some kind of conspiracy... it doesn't take science to see how what we do affects each other... and another thing do you have any clue what the hell Gaia is because obviously you don't so I guess that is called a redundant question. I'm not replying to you ever again you are wasting my time... go read history son, that will be all thank you. What are you a shill or something? You sound about 18 years old, maybe...

[DURound]

@wilbbur83 I am talking about the socialist and liberal studies that you found compelling and that suggest that some random poor person in Mongolia affects my well being.

I said nothing about all of history... you have made that up.

Yes, I know the Gaia-bs theory. 

I am glad you will not reply to me again. I find you to be a tedious liberal.

[wilbbur83]

@DURound "There is no denying that consideration of others is worthwhile and that our happiness is inextricably bound up with the happiness of others. There is no denying that if society suffers, we ourselves suffer, and the more our hearts and minds are afflicted with ill-will, the more miserable we become. We can reject religion, ideology, received wisdom, but we cannot escape the need for love and compassion." - Dalai Lama

[DURound]

@wilbbur83 The platitudes of Dalai Lama are not the same as what you had previously tried to assert. So, if you are abandoning those previous ideas for what the Dalai is saying here, then so much the better ... you have become more enlightened.

However, you should be aware that the Dalai is not infallible and can be wrong. For example, society may suffer and we may prosper. And we may suffer and yet society may prosper. It happens a lot that way. You can only deny that by ignorance.

[starmanskye]

What's really outrageous is the near-total official and public amnesia that the Guld War I was totally avoidable -- Saddam was given the greenlight, assured the US had no defense intentions re: Kuwait. Even worse, the US PLACED Saddam in power & supported him, contrary to EVERY principle of democratic self-determinism officials presume to honour. US interventions since WW II have led to current crisis of wars and terrorism around the world, crudely creating concensus for global technocracy.

[trigamello]

As far back as 12 years, I heard about this from Wm. Cooper. But it does not end there. DU, if I have heard it correctly, is rife in some parts of the Middle East. The Persians may be suffering from it even NOW. Ask them how the health of their population is. They may be nuked without bombs falling. For the New World Order, destroying the American nationalist military has been a long time goal. I hope more soldiers listen to Rokke, read Epperson, or Joan Veon before they go gung-ho over there.

[cdimmm]

What are you talking about everyone loses, bullshit. The zionist jew bankers always win.

[DURound]

Actually, I got so sick once that I thought I would die. I have always believed it was the dirt/dust or something that did it to me.

[phoneyid]

Well DURound & nokilt1, deformities and miscarriages in Iraq are up 700 & 1000%.

There are exceptions....Sept 2009, Fallujah GenHospital 170 new born babies (500 use to be avg), 24% dead within 7 days, 75% of the dead babies were classified as deformed.

Perhaps pin it on the change of parsley used in tabooli salad and not that Axis of Willing bombed the crap out of Fallujah, using shit load of DU.

Women now scared & avoid having babies.

Innocent civilians, not willing enlisted men.

[DURound]

Phonyid: deformities and miscarriages in Iraq are up 700 & 1000%.

DURound: There is exactly zero scientifically established evidence for this. These statistics are made up. BUT, if it were true, it would probably the result of toxins in the water released when wells were burned and destroyed.

Phonyid: using shit load of DU.

DURound: The problem with your theory is that DU is hardly radioactive at all. And is not found in concentrations high enough to cause significant environmental impact.

[phoneyid]

@DURound 700% &1000% deformities

and miscarriages in Iraq, made up stats??

Why don't you just google these words..

Fallujah Hospital Born Babies Deformities...

and see how you feel about those stats.

In Australia, and other countries, pregnant women

aren't even exposed to x-ray; and you believe

it's safe to expose them to atomised uranium.

Who told you that??

The US Dept of Defence?? .. Fair guess I'd say.

[DURound]

phoneyid: 700% &1000% deformities and miscarriages in Iraq, made up stats??

DURound: They are just numbers without any scientific survey or review at all.

phoneyid: Why don't you just google these words

DURound: I have already done just that. Here is what I have found.. the same few doctors who have been making these claims since 2004 are still making them. The claims have not changed as the years go on. They stay the same and yet there is no data other than their say so. No studies.

[DURound]

phoneyid: In Australia, and other countries, pregnant women aren't even exposed to x-ray

DURound: That is utterly false. One example: Pregnant women still get dental work done. Another example: women who are in car accidents with broken bones get x-rayed even if the are pregnant.

[DURound]

phoneyid: it's safe to expose them to atomised uranium.

DURound: Have you ever heard of the term Background Radiation? DU is barely radioactive and does not increase the background radiation. The only way a woman would be affected is if she took a piece of it and wore it as jewelry next to her skin. You cant even wear it outside of your clothing because the radiation given off by DU is stopped by a sheet of paper or by clothing.

[DURound]

@phoneyid, what you should realize is that DU is not very harmful as a radiological agent in the environment. However, it COULD be a chemical contaminant it is a heavy metal, like lead. HOWEVER, a round lying in the Iraqi desert is not likely to enter the food and water stream. but what might well have entered is the Huge amounts of contaminated and burned oil that covered the ground everywhere and contaminated food and water all over the southern part of the country.

[phoneyid]

@DURound Correct; I should have said X-rays are AVOIDED for pregnant women. For very good reason. D.U. IS RADIOACTIVE and IS Harmful. watch?v=WgQ79-oDX2o Qualities of Uranium & DU are explained here. watch?v=B8vVZTvJNGk&feature=fv­w Note how they are handled. Safely BUT They are NOT AN AEROSOL in the atmosphere as it no doubt is present in the battle environment & there about in Iraq and elsewhere. DU is dangerous, to handle carefully, BUT too late for that now it's spread as fine particles.

[DURound]

phoneyid: I should have said X-rays are AVOIDED

DUROUND: You would STILL be wrong. They are not avoided. At least nor more than other people.

Phoneyid: D.U. IS RADIOACTIVE

DUROUND: Barely. And most of that radiation is blocked by clothing or a piece of paper.

Phoneyid: and IS Harmful.

DURound: Well, certainly it is harmful if you get a DU round in your body. And it is quite harmful if you eat 5 grams of it.

But we are not talking about people chewing up DU rounds for dinner, are we?

[DURound]

Phoneyid: watch?v=WgQ79-oDX2o

DURound: I know about Rosalie Bertel. Her information is sometimes right but misleading. I have commented on that video over the past 2 years. See my comments. Besides, she is talking about breathing in very minute nano particulates. These particulates only occur when DU burns and they are only found within about 5 feet of the burned item. They are not everywhere. You should not breath DU Smoke. But it does not cause birth defects.

[phoneyid]

@DURound

There are naturaly denials coming from USA,

Just as agent orange, while reluctantly accepting a link between dioxin and birth defects in American service personnels children, the US still denies any connection when it comes to Vietnamese deformities. ALL SPIN

Perhaps someone should tell Iraqi kids not to play in the sand, and their mums not to handle the dirty clothes, except when wearing appropriate protection

1000-2000Tons dumped on Iraq,

Well may some say God bless America

[DURound]

Phony: There are naturaly denials coming from USA,

DURound: Actually there are no special denials. There is nothing of sufficient quality to deny.

[DURound]

Phony: Just as agent orange

DURound: You are well out of touch. The United States has admitted that the dioxin in Agent Orange was harmful and has accepted liability for years and years now. Once the science was in, it was accepted. However, there is no science that shows Agent Orange results in birth defects. Yes, people (Americans by the way) raise concerns but the science just is not there.

Doesn't science have a vote in such things or is it all emotion?

[DURound]

Phony: 1000-2000Tons dumped on Iraq,

DURound: Nonsense. Its about 500. But even if it were 2000, thats not very much DU. It is a cube 15 feet on each side. So you know, the topsoil in Iraq, before 1990 would have had at least 6000 tons of natural uranium, just in the top 1 inch of soil.

[phoneyid]

@DURound

So if it's natural, next you'll be telling us it's good for us.

Tobacco is natural.

Sun light is natural too, try standing under a large magnifying glass for one minute, and see how you go.

Dr. Dragomir Karajovic, among others, tells of horrors caused by NATO's use of DU in Serbia too. What's causing that?? Imported Polish Sausage?

Even though military are warned to stay clear of DU hit areas unless with radiological protective clothing.

Do you have shares in this stuff or what??

[DURound]

Phony: So if it's natural, next you'll be telling us it's good for us.

DURound: You have not been paying attention. I have said, over and over and over and over again, that heavy metals are toxic and bad for you.

Why do you not pay attention to what I actually say?

[DURound]

Phony: Dr. Dragomir Karajovic, among others, tells of horrors caused by NATO's use of DU in Serbia too.

DURound: All he has done is show that theoretically it might possibly be a problem. He has not actually produced valid epidemiological studies demonstrating that DU actually causes birth defects. Indeed, he admits that what is chiefly demonstrated is that it is nephologically toxic.

[DepletedUraniumKills]

@DURound

get out of here, shill

[DURound]

@DepletedUraniumKills

No.

[DURound]

@phoneyid, Other than spina bifida and anancephaly, no one has accepted reluctantly or eagerly that there are birth defects from Agent Orange. There is no good science to support that.

Do you not believe that science should answer scientific questions?

[DURound]

Phoney: They are NOT AN AEROSOL in the atmosphere as it no doubt is present in the battle environment

DURound: Du burns and creates smoke and aerosol components. However, these are very heavy and do not travel very far. Studies have been done of this and the resulting aerosols stay fairly close to the burn site.

[DURound]

@phoneyid DU, is used in tank on tank and aircraft on armor. As a result, almost ALL of the DU used in Iraq was used in the DESERT, not in the cities. DU is not significantly contaminating Iraqi cities. It just is not.  But burning oil wells? They contaminated huge swaths of land.

[DURound]

He is not an honest man.

[chetansingh2006]

Toxic Superpower

[nokilt1]

we were north of hafr al batin

everything he says is my experience to include gettin chemmed

carried the rash til 95

[Waterloupe]

PEOPLE: PLEASE! I know Doug Rokke, was in the Army Reserve with him for 6 torturous years until he was finally nudged into the IRR (thank God). He has severe mental problems and in someways, I feel sorry for him but..don't let him dupe you.. he is a compulsive liar. Well, maybe not. That implies he knows the difference between reality and nonreality. He is simply living in a fantasy world he has created to make himself feel important. Its sad that alot of you are believing a this stuff.

[FLUSEM666]

Are you saying that he was not involved in the DU assessment and clean-up and he didnt write the health and safety manuals on DU?

I've seen them!

[Waterloupe]

He was not involved in the clean-up and assessment. I don't know about the manuals on DU. Anybody in the Army can write manuals. What I am saying is he has taken a modicum of his experience and made himself "an expert". I have had several years of experience with him and he is not on a level playing field mentally. His world is 1/3rd real life and 2/3rds fantasy world. (e.g., "we gave Iraqi's WMDs", "we got Iraq to invade Kuwait" etc). He creates scenarios to make himself important.

[Dogmeat7]

hmm. FUNNY! he says he was in the Army but yet he was dropping bombs fro ma B-52? well.. ONLY THE USAF HAS B-52'S, NOT THE ARMY!

also dumbass the Gulf war sydrome is not real. U.S military says it's not real an the U.N health says it's not real. sorry stupid conspiracy wack nuts.

[Yoryevrah]

Dogmeat1, you would do well to look up mycoplasma fermentans incognitus and/or Dr. garth nicolson before you go on with your ad hominum

[Dogmeat7]

um it's true TOP Doctors said the Gulf war Sydrome isn't a Sydrome. it was puit down 3 years ago. an the VA will not recognize it now.

[nokilt1]

fuck you i got dickhead

so do my friends

[Dogmeat7]

nokilt1 what the hell are you tryin g to say lol. an why in the hell are you even watching this dumbass looser lol.

[nokilt1]

were you there dipshit?

we came in contact with chems twice

i had blister agent rash for 4 years after

and i still get this shiver shake chill thing that i picked up after the first time we contacted chems

you might wanna tell the VA they are wrong cause i still get the the gulf war syndrome flyer from them every couple of months or so

[nokilt1]

your 22 dogmeat

you werent there

you know NOTHING

nothing at all

[Dogmeat7]

I know enough from a father who has serverd 33years in the military an was in Special Operation.

[nokilt1]

apparently not

[Dogmeat7]

apparently so. when you coem from a long line of family that has served in the military for a long tiem an have in alot of things you know.

[nokilt1]

yet nothing of this one

[Dogmeat7]

you do know Doug Rokke is lieing out is ass I mean the first tip was, "I was in the U.S Army flying B-52's!?!?!?!?" Army doesn't have those!

[nokilt1]

who cares about that

listen to what he is talking about....

DU and chems

my personal experience as a foot soldier on the ground leaving from KKMC to hafr al-batin

going to MOP4 chemmed twice, friends and I with this gulf syndrome, friends with DU exposure and problems since...dteriorating bone structure,friends with siezures...why is it that all my ex-army friends who were in that area are still suffering. all of them ,ALL

[Dogmeat7]

who cares about that? dude. he's freakin lying out his ass lol. O ya an the Comment I went to Veitnam before I could even shave? rofl. another good lie. cause to be Dropping bombs from a B-52 you need to be an OFFICER! which means he would have to be the minimal age of 22-23. so that's now the second lie your going to belive a man that's making up storys to make himself look good? lol.

[nokilt1]

who cares about b52's

my uncle was a grunt in vietnam before he could shave

after 3 tours he needed too

whats the plane thing got to do with DU and chems on the ground?

[Dogmeat7]

right........... cause my Father did 4 tours in Vietnam an he was growing a fucking beard at 20. the plane thing means this guy has already lied out his ass in the first 1st min of this stupid vid!

1#

you can't be in the Army an be a Bomadiar on a B-52.

2. you must be an officer to be a Bomadier an the average age of a B-52 Bombadier is 23.

in 2003 an in Afganistan the U.S miltary has used a hell of alot more DU round then the Gulf war.

[nor888vast695]

Offer some proof. He has the answers. I am an electrical engineer. the physics of nature are the same. A warrior who thinks he can kill and a warrior who thinks he can be killed are both the same.

[Dogmeat7]

O what the hell does it matter DU rounds are going to be around for a while deal with it. tell they find somthi ng better. kind of called war for a reason

[DURound]

my personal experience as a foot soldier on the ground leaving from KKMC to hafr al-batin

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Uhh.. I have been to KKMC and hafir al batin.

Those are nowhere near any combat zones. How could you be exposed to chemicals? No DU rounds were fired there. (they were all in Kwait and Iraq). How were you exposed?

Something wrong with that story.

Not to say that you're not sick. Maybe. You can catch things from that saudi sand dust. its full of dead animals you know.

[nokilt1]

wadi al batin from hafir al batin...in the wadi is where we got chemmed and the M-8's were going off like no ones business...mop4 jan 17,'91...captain grezch got suited up then put out alert to mop4...i didnt get my boots on before the cloud came.....carried the rash(purple red and thick) til '95...still get shiver/shakes....we also had a scud hit near us prompting mop4 in november,but i dont know where we were in november of '90.....but it was after we left KKMC

[DURound]

hmmm... what was it that you think that they sent your way? Sounds worse than mustard gas.

Now that I think about it, I remember that the FOX units registered something... but at time, though we were concerned about it, it did not seem very big.

[DURound]

I should point out though... that this experience you had was chem not D.U.

I have always thought GWS was related to the vaccine, the dirt, the oil smoke and/or maybe Chemical attacks. I think a few people have DU poisoning but not too many.

[nokilt1]

you are correct

chem not DU for me

we had so much chem and other issues i cannot honestly blame DU though common sense tells me that its a problem(at least for some)

you are right...coulda been the vaccine ,smoke or(we had)contaminated water(fuel contaminated)

the burning wells caused possible issues also

hard to pick just one thing to blame

but its a fact that people are sick

and like agent orange, it will take awhile to get any real response

[DURound]

One of the most important reasons it is probably not DU is that even if you get a really ENORMOUS dose, most of it will be gone in a year (assuming the dose was not so big as to kill you) and you would have really bad kidney problems. Smaller doses would cause proportionally smaller kidney problems and would be eliminated just as fast. If people do not have Kidney problems PLUS no detectable increase in Uranium over normal, then that is almost certainly not a DU problem.

[DURound]

like agent orange, it will take awhile to get any real response

==

Yes, but AO now gets quite a bit of coverage and GWS is starting to be recognized.

The REAL problem is not the def of AO or GWS but the fact that the Government DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE CARE OF VETS! Too much money.

Sucks a big one.

[typhon3808]

Actually, the U.S. Air Force DOES use planes like B-52s and C-130s to transport troops (Army and Marines) and, therefore, it is quite possible that Rokke could have been flown around in B-52s. I know this because I work on a millitary base and directly with the U.S. gov't. Have a nice day.

[DURound]

@Dogmeat7 Well, Doug Rokke is a confirmed liar. These are not his only lies.

However, I think that there might very well be something in Gulf War Syndrome. I think that there are bugs or something in the dust. But its not radiation exposure that is causing it, we pretty much know that for a fact.

[1famekouby]

@Dogmeat7 ignorance is bliss I suppose?

[sirsetmefree]

@Dogmeat7 AND YOU'RE A DUMBASS IF YOU THINK ONLY AIR FORCE RIDES IN AIRFORCE PLANES. DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF THE MILITARY CAN WORK TOGETHER ON CERTAIN MISSIONS. 

[Jackie205683]

DEPLETED URANIUM IS KILLING US...and who's fault is that...ours...so why don't we change the way this world is ran and vote all the people who have been in congress for too long...out of there...just vote the imcumbents out.....vote for someone new....this is the PEOPLE'S PARTY.....let's do something about this

[partypod]

The "Creator" made us in his image...

gave us "Wisdom" to choose "Right" from "Wrong"...

with "Consequences" of course...

make the Right "choice" and everlasting Peace will be with YOU...

even after "judgement day" (the day you die)

- God is your Witness -

[Marktwain403]

Doug Rokke greatly exaggerates the dangers from depleted uranium. He is not an expert on depleted uranium. His Ph.D. is in education. He also sometimes gives false information on the subject. He once claimed that 30 of his comrades had died of depleted uranium. The army looked into that and showed that the claim was entirely false, yet you can easily find that claim by Rokke on the Internet.

[PeterSodhi]

Nice to hear you volunteer your family for DU testing rather than our front line troops. Please let us know how it goes.

[titaniumtube]

You do not need a Ph.D but having a normal human brain with average intelligence is all that is required to see the self evidence of CAUSE & EFFECT. No need to go to the front line in Iraq either because DU dust carries in water and jet stream air currents and is probably in American right now. Have a nice day.

[Dogmeat7]

marktwain is right guys. guy is lying out hsi ass lol.

[SP567]

Gulf War Syndrome. Brain damage from exposure to nerve gas and God knows what else. The things our government has unleashed upon our own fighting men in Vietnam and Iraq will be known one day, that is if we don't all die off first.