What a riot! The National Republican Party complaining about an ad being "misleading" in any way is hypocrisy at it's finest! I commend Comcast for not taking sides!
Just because "money talks" doesn't mean it's free speech - if you have to pay for it then it isn't free. Speech has always been regulated by a continuing body of law. Money doesn't guarantee free speech, it only guarantees the "speaker" with the money will have the loudest voice and will effectively drown out any other information in the civic space. Sounds like monopoly to me.
The same group who wanted this ad removed thinks nothing of altering videos and twisting facts around for their minions to sing along to. There's nothing more destructive to America than the GOP band of ignorant hypocrites.
@Tomitstube, you don't seem to understand how Social Security works. So I'll explain it slowly: Your pay into Social Security all your life. Then when you retire, you get to take it all back. This is not welfare. This is a big savings account of YOUR money. Now do you understand?
@MelonieMagruder Especially if you've spent your life working overtime. The more OT you work, the more they take. You better believe I'm getting my money back out of that system.
@MelonieMagruder Tell me, who pays the interest on this "savings account"? Does it stop paying you when you have withdrawn all you have paid in? How about the money paid to your wife and children if you die, how is this paid for by your contributions?
lmao, if anyone would know what "a malicious attempt to mislead voters by spreading false information".. is, it would be republicans... except of course they know this isn't the case.
RREPUBLICANS WANT TO GIVE YOUR RETIREMENT BENEFITS TO WALL STREET... to play with. you see, these fascist crooks are running out of ways to swindle the average american, they now need your government programs to run more ponzi schemes.
@tomitstube Your government programs have ALWAYS been a ponzi scheme. The problemis that Democrats are finally going to have accept that Social Security is and always have been a welfare program, not a retirement program.
@CommonSenseJoe ~ you don't have a whole lot of "sense" joe, interesting moniker for sure. you realize "ponzi" is an actual wall street scheme right? repeating brain dead drivel by rick perry and calling social security a "ponzi" scheme is the same b.s. as saying the government was responsible for the private market collapse. you're too stupid for words.
@tomitstube Social Security is the definition of the "ponzi" scheme. It only works when you have enough people paying in to keep up with the "benefits" you are paying out. If you only paid out what people paid in, then you would have an honest system. The government was, in part, responsible for the collapse. It was the government's involvement in the free market that started the problem in the first place.
Tick, tick, tick, the minutes might be up. Maddow could have been the new voice, but decided to be the old Air America voice. Damn shame, another "Journalist" reduced to political pundit with no credibility.
If a tornado hits your community you are on your own, it your fault for living there. If you have ALS you should have picked your parents better. If you have premature baby you should have had less stress and had a better diet. Why should we regulate safety and maintenance on planes, trains, and buses, we can trust private industry will do it better and cheaper why would they not. Drugs no need for the FDA drug companies would never sell anything unsafe or ineffective, we can take word at it.
@THELIBERAL You're joking, right? People are flying to India of all places to get surgeries done because our FOR PROFIT health care system is THAT BAD. For profit prisons pay judges kickbacks to give people prison sentences, just check out the juvenile detention facility in Pennsylvania that was caught doing it. It got to the point they were just pulling kids off the street and throwing them in jail. There is NOTHING good in this country that comes from profit-hungry hacks. People > $.
@THELIBERAL Yet, we have the government doing all of those things but still we have bad drugs, plane crashes, and sick people dying. I guess government is NOT the answer to all our problems.
I sure the skies would be safer if the FAA was not around regulate plane safety and standards for flight control and let the airline fix planes when they want or not, flying would be so much safer. If the government was not around insurance companies would be dying to provided reasonably priced health insurance so sick people would get the coverage they need so they would not die. Hell with the FDA, pharma would never attempt sell anything unsafe or useless.Common sense joe
@THELIBERAL No one is suggesting we don't need any government. There is a limited role government can play. The problem is the more the government is involved, the worse things get. How many drugs get approved and still the companies get sued because someone died taking the drug. Health insurance was reasonably until the government got involved and start giving away care for free. It was Medicare and Medicaid that screwed up healthcare.
a "ponzi" scheme is literally a wall street invention. social security is solvent and runs a surplus. the government bailed out private enterprise, they didn't cause the crash, they saved the so-called free market from crashing. again.
how do people like you get so indoctrinated with nonsense? it's like you're in some kind of corporate cult or something. really weird.
@tomitstube No, Social Security is NOT solvent. Look it up. We are paying out MORE than we are taking in. The government causes the crash by forcing banks to make loans they NEVER would have made. Ever heard of FREDDY and FANNY? How come we have bailed them out to the tune of BILLIONS and still they are failing? I would not speak of indoctrination if I were you. You obviously do not know the FACTS of life. Try educating yourself before you speak. WHO pays the interest of SS?
@CommonSenseJoe ~ you are an idiot. social security has a 3 billion dollar surplus, you are talking about the social security surplus that congress has spent on other things. when you take money from one thing to pay for another, the original thing is not broke, it was stolen from. that surplus is good for a generation, and if you end the $110,000 cap on payments into social security it will be solvent for ever. is this all over you head?
@tomitstube I can try to explain this to you but I think it is OVER your head. There is more money going out of Social Security NOW than is coming in. There is simply not enough works paying into the system. IF you remove the cap, then you have to admit that Social Security is nothing more than a WELFARE program. People would be paying in FAR MORE than they would ever receive. Answer my question, who do you think was going to pay the interest on this Social Security money?
@CommonSenseJoe ~ freddie and frannie DID NOT CAUSE THE CRASH. that talking point has been debunked dozens of times in countless articles and books, they were forced to compete in the sub prime scam started by the private sector, the freddie story is nothing but right wing propaganda hatched by right wing think tanks. and by the same pseudo news organizations that deny global warming, spout abstinence only, gay is a choice, and dozens of other anti-government pro-corporate bull shit.
@tomitstube You can claim that anything has been debunked, that does not make it so. Really? Who FORCED them? These companies were run by your ethical government types. Are you saying that THEY would deal in sub prime predatory lending? You are the one behind the times. It is called global climate change because it has been proved the earth is NOT getting hotter, but it is always changing. Abstinence is the only form of birth control that works EVERYTIME it is used.
@CommonSenseJoe It is clear that you need to bone up on health care history.The rise in cost of health insurance can be directly traced to the fall on non profit insurance like Blue Cross and the rise of for profit insurance. The fact is that now less than 6 companies control 80% of the market. Capitalism at it finest, increase profits not by competing on price or service but buying your competitors so you can manipulate the market at the expense of the customers.
@THELIBERAL No, clearly you do not realize that one of the biggest players in health insurance is the government. People on government healthcare programs is now around 31% of the population. Medicare and Medicaid only pay 80% / 60% of the cost of treating a patient. Who do you think picks up the rest of the cost? It is the government that screwed up the market by promising benefits and NOT paying the full cost of treating people. Learn the facts before you speak.
@CommonSenseJoe Gee that leaves 69% insured, underinsured, or uninsured. You have your facts wrong again. We pay more in this country per person for health insurance than any industrialized country in the world and that is fact, and have the most number of uninsured. Countries that have socialized medicine or tightly regulated private insurance have lower costs and better out comes. We rank 37th in the world 2 steps above Cuba. The problem is that Government has not regulated enough.
@THELIBERAL Typical liberal mindset! We pay more because WE can pay more. We are not 37th in the world. We are number one in the world for quality. The only reason other countries can even afford their care is because companies can still make a profit in this country. Even then, these other countries are going broke with socialized medicine. If our government would not promise BIG benefits and start paying the full cost of existing benefits, we would not have a crisis.
The Gang Of Plutocrats doesn't want people to decide elections, it wants Big Money to control. The GOP doesn't want government to set medical rates, it wants insurance companies to control. And, the GOP doesn't want people to hear the truth about what it is trying to do with Medicare, it wants to control what we hear. The GOP is clearly the party of control freaks, which is why we can't let them control OUR government.
Here is a fact the USA has the lowest life expectancy in the industrial first world. We rank 32th in the world, yet we have the highest health care expenditures per individual in the world. The countries in that spend less and have longer life expectancies are all single payer or have socialized medicine. How do you explain that I want to know?
@THELIBERAL You are quoting the WHO study that is very bias toward single payer systems. If you break down the study. The life expectancy rates are measured different in every country. The U.S. has more deaths by disasters like accidents we also have a diversity of people where some groups suffer from certain diseases, we also have more drug related death. You have to measure outcomes of major disease and we have by far the best. And your talking about 2 to 4 year differences in life expectancy
@quizerry The Study is two years old and uses composite data from the WHO, World Bank, UNESCO, CIA . USA data is also supplemented CDC, NIH and individual state and county databases. In 1960 the USA was ranked 16th. You make the point that we have a diverse population and that certain groups have certain diseases that drag the averages down. Could it be that those groups you are talking about are the ones that are underserved by the medical system because of pervasive poverty and lack of access
@quizerry Please also note that the talking points you are regurgitating are ones that the Heritage Foundation started giving to conservative politicians to obscure the facts. We have a population of almost 300 million and no natural disaster or combination of natural disasters would move the averages . Note that if we had 20,000 deaths a year by natural disasters which we do not, it would equal .000067 percent into the averages. Could it infant mortality be an issue, USA 46th lowest CIA data.
When the system collapses because the government is broke and cannot borrow any more medicare will take care of itself. See how easy that is just do nothing and let the bad monetary practices put the program out of its own misery. Taking another 200 billion from medicare will not hurt that program at all, its already dead after they stole 400 billion from it to fund the next hair brained medical scam for the big pharm companys who "donate" to those who want to keep their jobs in congress.
Ryan is not killing Medicare. Those who are 55 and older will still get Medicare. However, the program needs be reformed LONG TERM. It is Medicare that makes healthcare and insurance cost too much.
Healthcare and insurance costs were increasing at a faster rate than any other industry in the nation before medicare.
Stick your bullshit lies up your corporate slave ass.
You assholes used fear and ignorance to try to stop health care reform for 2 fucking years...now you get to eat cake bitches because its coming right back at you, all your lies, all your bullshit...because now IT IS SOMETHING TO BE AFRAID OF HAHHAHAHAHAHAA
@rdrakken Actually, it is the truth. The cost of healthcare, of which heath insurance simply reflects, has been driven up by the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. The government, in order to contain costs, fails to reimburse providers the full cost of care. Currently, Medicare is at 80% of cost and Medicaid is at 60%. This means that providers must make up those losses on other patients. Healthcare reform was a lie from the very beginning. It is designed to destroy private insurance.
@CommonSenseJoe If you used common sense you would see that there is a more direct correlation on insurance premiums and the consolidation of the insurance industry. Private insurance without universal mandate has not worked anywhere in the world. In countries that use private insurance in the industrial world have both mandates and profit restrictions, more government less cost. I have question are you going to opt-out medicare and shop for policy when you eligible?
@THELIBERAL There is no company writing a competing policy with Medicare. That is the point! Medicare is going broke because it has promised lots of benefits (i.e. power chairs) but does not charge enough in premiums to pay for these benefits. It depends on the taxpayers coming up with increasing amounts of money to keep the system solvent. This is why the liberals what "healthcare reform". They want to end ALL private insurance and use the money to cover Medicare's losses.
@CommonSenseJoe How would you fix medicare? How would you get insurance companies to offer insurance to seniors which are the largest consumers of heath care so are the costliest? How do you prevent insurance from cherry picking customers, pre existing conditions? Insurance companies are risk adverse and price accordingly.
@THELIBERAL I would do what Ryan is doing, transitioning the government out of the healthcare business. The market is the best way to provide anything, not the government. Insurance is only one way to pay for medical expenses. Why should we tell insurance companies how to run the businesses? Unless they break the contract they have with their customers, what business does the government have getting involved? People need to be responsible for themselves, not dependent on the government.
@CommonSenseJoe The market is NOT the best way to provide for everything. You've been brainwashed to think so by GOD DAMN FUCKING SELLOUT TRAITOROUS SCUMBAGS WHO GET FUCKING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to support shipping our FUCKING jobs overseas, to FUCKING let us die when we get sick. And to FUCKING make it easier for them to kill TRILLIONS of GOD'S creatures by avoiding regulations. You are a brainwashed FUCK. Please die.
@Teremei The market is ALWAYS better than the government. No one shipped your job overseas. You simply became too expensive to employ. No one is killing of God's creatures. We are still discovering new species everyday. It is you who are brainwashed and brain dead. Learn to take responsibility for yourself and stop sucking the rest of dry financially.
@CommonSenseJoe "No one is killing of God's creatures. We are still discovering new species everyday."
so... no animals have ever gone extinct as a result of human action? and new species are spontaneously generating to replace the ones that were extinct (though you seem to be saying none have gone extinct)? And the recent oil spills haven't affected ecosystems? That's "the market" at work too.
@jacksonwonderful Species of animals have become extinct long before mankind ever became the dominate species. This notion that every species of every creature should exist forever is simply nonsense. If you check many of those ecosystems have completely repaired themselves in far less time than predicted by the so-called experts.
@CommonSenseJoe Actually, it isnt the truth because NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER NATION WITH NATIONAL HEALTH CARE HAS SEEN THE SAME PRICE INCREASES AS IN AMERICA.
Now please shut the fuck up you uneducated ignorant wretch and take your made up numbers with you. 80%...fucken hell you people make me sick.
So...why the FUCK arent you calling what insurance companies are doing SOCIALISM? Afterall, they are charging YOU more for what OTHER people are doing using medicare? Corporate whore...
@rdrakken That's because they have PRICE CONTROLS. They set the price by LAW. Just because you don't like the 80% number does not make it untrue. Look it up yourself! In fact, it is set to get WORSE! Google "Doc Fix". Insurance companies are NOT socialism. They provide a service. YOU determine how much and what they are responsible for. Not so when the government is in charge. Socialism is when the government own or control the entire industry. They are in charge, and you are not.
@CommonSenseJoe OMG BUT PRICE CONTROLS IS COMMIE SOCIALIST FACIST NAZISM FROM THE MOUTH OF SATAN! And setting the price by LAW is BIG GOVERNMENT getting in the hands of the purity of corporate profits!
And the doc fix bill was a bribe to win support from the AMA. $245 billion dollars to be given to doctors so they still get a PAY RAISE with the cuts to health care.
insurance IS socialism because if something happens to someone else, it can raise YOUR rates thus you are paying for them!
@rdrakken Price controls are what they are. They are government attempting to control the market and even with them, socialized medicine is going broke. The "doc fix" was not a bribe, but done to prevent another cut to the reimbursement rate of Medicare which is going broke. Insurance IS not socialism. Medicare is socialism. Social Security is socialism. You have no idea how insurance or insurance companies operate. The President does, and that is why he is driving them out of business!
@CommonSenseJoe And NO, Socialism is NOT limited to when the government owns or controls a thing.
Socialism is an ECONOMIC system, a poltical philosophy and a form of SOCIAL ORGANIZATION...fucking uneducated prick.
All insurance falls under the Social organization catagory in which everyone belonging to that organization provides money to cover everyone elses costs...people like you are a fucking joke and are easy to manipulate.
@rdrakken I never used the word "limited" moron, in regards to socialism. Insurance is NOT socialism unless it is a non-for-profit association controlled by the members of the group. However, their participation in the group is voluntary, not mandatory. Insurance of any kind that is for-profit, which is what we were talking about, is not socialism. Insurance is simply a means of managing YOUR risk. You transfer some risk to the company and pay a premium. YOU CHOOSE! YOU Idiot!
And here come the trolls, paid by the GOP's puppet-masters, out to try their damnedest to convince people that Ryan's plan isn't as awful as it actually, truly is. I love how these people like to bring up Medicare's 'exploding budget' and not address the fact that "Obamacare" actually began to rein in Medicare's budget. I like how they call forcing people to attempt to find a benevolent, not-for-profit insurance company (which doesn't exist) is 'emphasizing private decision-making."
@quizerry , no, Ryan's plan isn't close to what CongressCritters or any federal worker gets. It's a "premium support" plan where I, 1 year short of magic 55 cut-off, get a set amount of $ to allocate to premiums for health insurance plan I have buy from health insurance industry. Premium support amount to be pegged to something like CPI with no restraint on costs/premiums which continue to rise at well above the inflation rate. So I get to pay the estimated $6k annual gap. Still Medicare? Nope.
@jsmagid Healthcare cost have risen above inflation sense government intervention. Before that HC cost were very reasonable. We already have socialized medicine when 50% of the industry is run by government. Government sets the prices for 1/2 the HC sector and influences prices for the private 1/2. Government controls consumption and production through regulation. Government is the reason for high cost HC. We don't have a free market system when government controls all aspects of the industry.
@jsmagid You do know reg medicare "pay as you go" Is not free. Money is taken from your SS check for it. The Drug benefit you pay cash for. Reg medicare out of pocket hospital has no cap so you could owe thousands of dollars for one hospital stay. Medicare advantage ( run by private companies) has an out of pocket cap of $2800 to $3500 depending on the plan you choose. To pick up the out of pockets most seniors BUY a medicare gap plan. They run $150 to $500 a month.
@jsmagid HC cost have skyrocketed because of government intervention. HC lobbyist have spent more money then any other industry to get the laws past that benefit them at consumers expense. All because of governments role in the HC industry. We don't have a free market system were consumers drive prices. Government is the problem. Get government out of the HC business and let consumers drive prices not lobbyist and politicians.
@quizerry Another point is that the USA spends over 7,000 dollars per individual on health care. Next highest country Switzerland that has a composite universal coverage. Coverage mandated by government executed by private insurance, Germany has similar system at about 4000.00 per person. France which is generally considered to have the best health care system in the world, covers it people at a cost of 3700. per year.
I do not see how you statement is supported by any facts. Data OECD & JHU.
@THELIBERAL We spend more because WE have the freedom to spend more on healthcare. Socialized systems control costs through rationing and price controls. The French system is going broke and making cut backs which have drive people to the streets in protect. They have hire taxes than we as well. Your problem is that you are comparing the WRONG statistics. Look at the shortfall OUR government is creating for providers by not paying the full cost of benefits for Medicare and Medicaid.
@CommonSenseJoe Joe you are full of beans. We pay almost twice per capita for health insurance in this country vs anyone else and we have 40 million uninsured. The French system may be going broke but they still pay half of what we do for better care, so do the Germans, Canadians, Japanese, British, everyone and they insure everyone. It is also a mis characterization that medicare does not pay the full cost of benefits. They will not pay for a 7 dollar Qtip charged by the for profit hospital.
@THELIBERAL I am not disputing that we pay more. We pay more because WE choose to pay more. We have more options and more opportunity. I like that freedom. If the socialized systems are now going broke, even with price controls and such, why would we want to go to that system? I am not misrepresenting anything. I am giving you the facts. Providers are dropping Medicare and Medicaid patients. Patients must now pay upfront and settle with Medicare and they are NOT HAPPY!
@CommonSenseJoe that we have more options is just not true. The average American does not have more options. Options for care in this country are all dependent on your income and not need. As far socialized systems going broke that is not correct. France in 2004 and 2006 instituted changes that have kept the system intact. The fact still stands that we pay twice as much as any else and receive poorer out comes for most and have the least government controls..
By removing the Insurance Companies from the equation, & removing oil company subsidies, & cutting Defense Spending by 15%, and putting the Ronald Reagan tax rates back into effect -- Medicare will be solvent until at least 2589
There are other ways to solve the problems. We needn't throw the elderly under the bus in a few yrs.
Kill medicare? That is a down right lie. The truth is medicare will be broke if we don't do something. If all these politicians believe in government run healthcare. How come they have exempt themselves from Obamacare? How come they (much like Ryan's plan) get to choose a private HC plan that suits their needs and government pays the premium. That is what Ryan proposes to give seniors a choice that suits their needs while gov pays the premium. Very close to what medicare advantage does.
@quizerry The biggest problem of the Ryan's plan is when you are a senior, you are unlikely to get affordable insurance. I have a friend who dropped his family's health insurance (that is why I believe health insurance should be mandatory) because he thinks health insurance is too expansive to him because he is not qualified for group insurance rate after losing his job at a big company. This is the case even when he is still at middle age. Think about when you get old and no group rate...
Yes, because there are not/will not be/never were death panels. Don't beleive everything Glen Beck tells you! If you mean doctor's being allowed to bill for counseling patient's on end of life decisions and various options , of course they should be.
@pembroke2 Obamacare sets up cost-benefit boards and commissions and Independent Payment Advisory Board who will judge Medicare's cost-effectiveness. Ask yourself if the government has deep budgetary problems will the " "the cost-benefit analysis morph toward financial restraint that limits a patient's options and benefits and therefore his or her rights? If the board finds a cancer drug is to expensive to give a senior an extra year of life they have the right to deny treatment?
@quizerry Is this kind of "rationing" already happening in the private insurance? My doctor told me that she could not prescribe the cholesterol medicine, but had to start with a cheaper one with higher side effect, which turned out that my reaction to the cheaper medicine was too strong. Maybe I should complain, maybe I should switch the insurance company - but you know how unrealistic it is!
I just feel the Rep. idea is stupid, or unrealistic.
@songr Medicare does the same thing they issue the cheaper off brands if you want the name brand you pay big money for it. Not all hospitals take medicare unless it is an emergency, many Doctors are taking no more medicare patients. The out of pockets for reg medicare in hospital are $6000 and up medicare advantage (run by a private company) are $2800 to $3500 depending on your plan. And you have co-pays for Doctors and Drugs unless you buy a private gap plan that picks up the out of pockets.
@pembroke2 Fact is health care reform means increased patient power. ObamaCare institutionalizes politicized rationing. Rep. Ryan's plan would emphasize private decision-making. His approach also would restrain Medicare's exploding budget.
Can someone please explain how saying that the Ryan budget will kill Medicare is any different than saying Obama's healthcare plan would set up death panels for grandma?
As a commenter on the Washington Post site for this issue says, "So, money is legitimately speech, but having a critical opinion of legislation isn't free speech if it's not described the way you insist it be described?"
The arguments for and against saying that the new plan will "end Medicare" are presented in the article, and the debate isn't nearly one-sided enough for the Republicans to attempt to have this ad removed; freedom of speech is more important than precisely accurate wording.
@airandfingers But the ad is a complete lie. Ryan's plan doesn't kill medicare it switches it to a plan much like these politicians get. A private Health plan of your choice where government pays the premiums. I think it is a great Idea to create more competition to lower HC cost to all. Medicare advantage plans are similar in that they are privided by private insurance companies and Government pays the premiums. Medicare advantage has much lower out of pocket cost then reg medicare.
@quizerry "Ryan's plan doesn't kill medicare it switches it to a plan much like these politicians get."
The plan ends Medicare as we know it and establishes a different system. Continuing to call it Medicare doesn't imply that Medicare is not "ending." With this plan, there would still be government medical support for those in need, but it would go through private insurance companies, not the current Medicare system.
That argument is solid enough that it's unconstitutional to censor the ad.
I love Rachel!!
Willjk89 1 month ago
What a riot! The National Republican Party complaining about an ad being "misleading" in any way is hypocrisy at it's finest! I commend Comcast for not taking sides!
rebeccabee1111 1 month ago
There is no discussion of how Medicare is denying coverage for disabled or medical bankruptcy victims... !
rwcbanzai 1 month ago
Just because "money talks" doesn't mean it's free speech - if you have to pay for it then it isn't free. Speech has always been regulated by a continuing body of law. Money doesn't guarantee free speech, it only guarantees the "speaker" with the money will have the loudest voice and will effectively drown out any other information in the civic space. Sounds like monopoly to me.
mwswyers 2 months ago 2
We need an ad like that for every @#$% Republican tool running for office.
shellius 2 months ago
The same group who wanted this ad removed thinks nothing of altering videos and twisting facts around for their minions to sing along to. There's nothing more destructive to America than the GOP band of ignorant hypocrites.
maryp1217 2 months ago 2
@Tomitstube, you don't seem to understand how Social Security works. So I'll explain it slowly: Your pay into Social Security all your life. Then when you retire, you get to take it all back. This is not welfare. This is a big savings account of YOUR money. Now do you understand?
MelonieMagruder 2 months ago 9
@MelonieMagruder Especially if you've spent your life working overtime. The more OT you work, the more they take. You better believe I'm getting my money back out of that system.
Outback4Me 2 months ago
@MelonieMagruder ~ hey melonie, you must have confused me with common sense joe's anti-social security drivel. i agree with you darlin.
tomitstube 1 month ago
@MelonieMagruder Tell me, who pays the interest on this "savings account"? Does it stop paying you when you have withdrawn all you have paid in? How about the money paid to your wife and children if you die, how is this paid for by your contributions?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@MelonieMagruder No, it is not a big saving account. You get back FAR more than you paid in, and that is why it is going broke.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
lmao, if anyone would know what "a malicious attempt to mislead voters by spreading false information".. is, it would be republicans... except of course they know this isn't the case.
RREPUBLICANS WANT TO GIVE YOUR RETIREMENT BENEFITS TO WALL STREET... to play with. you see, these fascist crooks are running out of ways to swindle the average american, they now need your government programs to run more ponzi schemes.
tomitstube 2 months ago
@tomitstube Your government programs have ALWAYS been a ponzi scheme. The problemis that Democrats are finally going to have accept that Social Security is and always have been a welfare program, not a retirement program.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe ~ you don't have a whole lot of "sense" joe, interesting moniker for sure. you realize "ponzi" is an actual wall street scheme right? repeating brain dead drivel by rick perry and calling social security a "ponzi" scheme is the same b.s. as saying the government was responsible for the private market collapse. you're too stupid for words.
tomitstube 1 month ago
@tomitstube Social Security is the definition of the "ponzi" scheme. It only works when you have enough people paying in to keep up with the "benefits" you are paying out. If you only paid out what people paid in, then you would have an honest system. The government was, in part, responsible for the collapse. It was the government's involvement in the free market that started the problem in the first place.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
this woman is a bitch
xevilwalksx 7 months ago
Tick, tick, tick, the minutes might be up. Maddow could have been the new voice, but decided to be the old Air America voice. Damn shame, another "Journalist" reduced to political pundit with no credibility.
fmckadoo 9 months ago
Rachel, you're the greatest!!!!!!!
yarmo28 9 months ago 4
what kind of asshole names their son rachel
100crawma 9 months ago
@100crawma :LOL
uzimodem 9 months ago
@100crawma LMAO... Sorry Rachel, but this was funny!
Shadeaux44 9 months ago
@100crawma Well, it's a biblical name, so, there you go.
nodonjuan 9 months ago
If a tornado hits your community you are on your own, it your fault for living there. If you have ALS you should have picked your parents better. If you have premature baby you should have had less stress and had a better diet. Why should we regulate safety and maintenance on planes, trains, and buses, we can trust private industry will do it better and cheaper why would they not. Drugs no need for the FDA drug companies would never sell anything unsafe or ineffective, we can take word at it.
THELIBERAL 9 months ago 25
@THELIBERAL You're joking, right? People are flying to India of all places to get surgeries done because our FOR PROFIT health care system is THAT BAD. For profit prisons pay judges kickbacks to give people prison sentences, just check out the juvenile detention facility in Pennsylvania that was caught doing it. It got to the point they were just pulling kids off the street and throwing them in jail. There is NOTHING good in this country that comes from profit-hungry hacks. People > $.
Outback4Me 2 months ago 3
@Outback4Me Dude, I appreciate your passion, but can you read and do you understand irony?
THELIBERAL 2 months ago
@THELIBERAL - No, I'm completely and totally illiterate.
Outback4Me 2 months ago
@Outback4Me At least we have established that.
THELIBERAL 2 months ago
@THELIBERAL Yet, we have the government doing all of those things but still we have bad drugs, plane crashes, and sick people dying. I guess government is NOT the answer to all our problems.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe
I sure the skies would be safer if the FAA was not around regulate plane safety and standards for flight control and let the airline fix planes when they want or not, flying would be so much safer. If the government was not around insurance companies would be dying to provided reasonably priced health insurance so sick people would get the coverage they need so they would not die. Hell with the FDA, pharma would never attempt sell anything unsafe or useless.Common sense joe
THELIBERAL 1 month ago
@THELIBERAL No one is suggesting we don't need any government. There is a limited role government can play. The problem is the more the government is involved, the worse things get. How many drugs get approved and still the companies get sued because someone died taking the drug. Health insurance was reasonably until the government got involved and start giving away care for free. It was Medicare and Medicaid that screwed up healthcare.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe ~ you have no common sense.
a "ponzi" scheme is literally a wall street invention. social security is solvent and runs a surplus. the government bailed out private enterprise, they didn't cause the crash, they saved the so-called free market from crashing. again.
how do people like you get so indoctrinated with nonsense? it's like you're in some kind of corporate cult or something. really weird.
tomitstube 1 month ago
@tomitstube No, Social Security is NOT solvent. Look it up. We are paying out MORE than we are taking in. The government causes the crash by forcing banks to make loans they NEVER would have made. Ever heard of FREDDY and FANNY? How come we have bailed them out to the tune of BILLIONS and still they are failing? I would not speak of indoctrination if I were you. You obviously do not know the FACTS of life. Try educating yourself before you speak. WHO pays the interest of SS?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe ~ you are an idiot. social security has a 3 billion dollar surplus, you are talking about the social security surplus that congress has spent on other things. when you take money from one thing to pay for another, the original thing is not broke, it was stolen from. that surplus is good for a generation, and if you end the $110,000 cap on payments into social security it will be solvent for ever. is this all over you head?
tomitstube 1 month ago
@tomitstube I can try to explain this to you but I think it is OVER your head. There is more money going out of Social Security NOW than is coming in. There is simply not enough works paying into the system. IF you remove the cap, then you have to admit that Social Security is nothing more than a WELFARE program. People would be paying in FAR MORE than they would ever receive. Answer my question, who do you think was going to pay the interest on this Social Security money?
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe ~ freddie and frannie DID NOT CAUSE THE CRASH. that talking point has been debunked dozens of times in countless articles and books, they were forced to compete in the sub prime scam started by the private sector, the freddie story is nothing but right wing propaganda hatched by right wing think tanks. and by the same pseudo news organizations that deny global warming, spout abstinence only, gay is a choice, and dozens of other anti-government pro-corporate bull shit.
tomitstube 1 month ago
@tomitstube You can claim that anything has been debunked, that does not make it so. Really? Who FORCED them? These companies were run by your ethical government types. Are you saying that THEY would deal in sub prime predatory lending? You are the one behind the times. It is called global climate change because it has been proved the earth is NOT getting hotter, but it is always changing. Abstinence is the only form of birth control that works EVERYTIME it is used.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe It is clear that you need to bone up on health care history.The rise in cost of health insurance can be directly traced to the fall on non profit insurance like Blue Cross and the rise of for profit insurance. The fact is that now less than 6 companies control 80% of the market. Capitalism at it finest, increase profits not by competing on price or service but buying your competitors so you can manipulate the market at the expense of the customers.
THELIBERAL 1 month ago
@THELIBERAL No, clearly you do not realize that one of the biggest players in health insurance is the government. People on government healthcare programs is now around 31% of the population. Medicare and Medicaid only pay 80% / 60% of the cost of treating a patient. Who do you think picks up the rest of the cost? It is the government that screwed up the market by promising benefits and NOT paying the full cost of treating people. Learn the facts before you speak.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe Gee that leaves 69% insured, underinsured, or uninsured. You have your facts wrong again. We pay more in this country per person for health insurance than any industrialized country in the world and that is fact, and have the most number of uninsured. Countries that have socialized medicine or tightly regulated private insurance have lower costs and better out comes. We rank 37th in the world 2 steps above Cuba. The problem is that Government has not regulated enough.
THELIBERAL 1 month ago
@THELIBERAL Typical liberal mindset! We pay more because WE can pay more. We are not 37th in the world. We are number one in the world for quality. The only reason other countries can even afford their care is because companies can still make a profit in this country. Even then, these other countries are going broke with socialized medicine. If our government would not promise BIG benefits and start paying the full cost of existing benefits, we would not have a crisis.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
@CommonSenseJoe ~ gawd you are stupid. i'm done arguing with a brick.
tomitstube 1 month ago
@tomitstube Good choice because the "brick" just made you look stupid.
CommonSenseJoe 1 month ago
The IRS site tells us that the richest Americans derive most of their income from Cap Gains & Dividends.
Paul Ryan's plan is to cut the Cap Gains tax & Dividends tax to ZERO!
This is insane - many of the super-rich will be paying hardly any tax as the middle-class is driven farther down & many left w/ no medical care
DillonDee9 9 months ago
The Gang Of Plutocrats doesn't want people to decide elections, it wants Big Money to control. The GOP doesn't want government to set medical rates, it wants insurance companies to control. And, the GOP doesn't want people to hear the truth about what it is trying to do with Medicare, it wants to control what we hear. The GOP is clearly the party of control freaks, which is why we can't let them control OUR government.
jdecpg 9 months ago 2
Here is a fact the USA has the lowest life expectancy in the industrial first world. We rank 32th in the world, yet we have the highest health care expenditures per individual in the world. The countries in that spend less and have longer life expectancies are all single payer or have socialized medicine. How do you explain that I want to know?
THELIBERAL 9 months ago
@THELIBERAL You are quoting the WHO study that is very bias toward single payer systems. If you break down the study. The life expectancy rates are measured different in every country. The U.S. has more deaths by disasters like accidents we also have a diversity of people where some groups suffer from certain diseases, we also have more drug related death. You have to measure outcomes of major disease and we have by far the best. And your talking about 2 to 4 year differences in life expectancy
quizerry 9 months ago
@quizerry The Study is two years old and uses composite data from the WHO, World Bank, UNESCO, CIA . USA data is also supplemented CDC, NIH and individual state and county databases. In 1960 the USA was ranked 16th. You make the point that we have a diverse population and that certain groups have certain diseases that drag the averages down. Could it be that those groups you are talking about are the ones that are underserved by the medical system because of pervasive poverty and lack of access
THELIBERAL 9 months ago
@quizerry Please also note that the talking points you are regurgitating are ones that the Heritage Foundation started giving to conservative politicians to obscure the facts. We have a population of almost 300 million and no natural disaster or combination of natural disasters would move the averages . Note that if we had 20,000 deaths a year by natural disasters which we do not, it would equal .000067 percent into the averages. Could it infant mortality be an issue, USA 46th lowest CIA data.
THELIBERAL 9 months ago 2
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rabidabbey 9 months ago
When the system collapses because the government is broke and cannot borrow any more medicare will take care of itself. See how easy that is just do nothing and let the bad monetary practices put the program out of its own misery. Taking another 200 billion from medicare will not hurt that program at all, its already dead after they stole 400 billion from it to fund the next hair brained medical scam for the big pharm companys who "donate" to those who want to keep their jobs in congress.
TheStrazy 9 months ago
Register republican and vote for the least corrupt politician, Ron Paul.
hodoprime 9 months ago
Ryan is not killing Medicare. Those who are 55 and older will still get Medicare. However, the program needs be reformed LONG TERM. It is Medicare that makes healthcare and insurance cost too much.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe No, it is runaway medical costs that make healthcare cost too much.
The US pays more for healthcare than any other country, and gets less bang for our buck than counties with socialized healthcare like France.
arbane235 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe bullshit, pure BULLSHIT.
Healthcare and insurance costs were increasing at a faster rate than any other industry in the nation before medicare.
Stick your bullshit lies up your corporate slave ass.
You assholes used fear and ignorance to try to stop health care reform for 2 fucking years...now you get to eat cake bitches because its coming right back at you, all your lies, all your bullshit...because now IT IS SOMETHING TO BE AFRAID OF HAHHAHAHAHAHAA
rdrakken 9 months ago
@rdrakken Actually, it is the truth. The cost of healthcare, of which heath insurance simply reflects, has been driven up by the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. The government, in order to contain costs, fails to reimburse providers the full cost of care. Currently, Medicare is at 80% of cost and Medicaid is at 60%. This means that providers must make up those losses on other patients. Healthcare reform was a lie from the very beginning. It is designed to destroy private insurance.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe If you used common sense you would see that there is a more direct correlation on insurance premiums and the consolidation of the insurance industry. Private insurance without universal mandate has not worked anywhere in the world. In countries that use private insurance in the industrial world have both mandates and profit restrictions, more government less cost. I have question are you going to opt-out medicare and shop for policy when you eligible?
THELIBERAL 9 months ago
@THELIBERAL There is no company writing a competing policy with Medicare. That is the point! Medicare is going broke because it has promised lots of benefits (i.e. power chairs) but does not charge enough in premiums to pay for these benefits. It depends on the taxpayers coming up with increasing amounts of money to keep the system solvent. This is why the liberals what "healthcare reform". They want to end ALL private insurance and use the money to cover Medicare's losses.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe How would you fix medicare? How would you get insurance companies to offer insurance to seniors which are the largest consumers of heath care so are the costliest? How do you prevent insurance from cherry picking customers, pre existing conditions? Insurance companies are risk adverse and price accordingly.
THELIBERAL 9 months ago 2
@THELIBERAL I would do what Ryan is doing, transitioning the government out of the healthcare business. The market is the best way to provide anything, not the government. Insurance is only one way to pay for medical expenses. Why should we tell insurance companies how to run the businesses? Unless they break the contract they have with their customers, what business does the government have getting involved? People need to be responsible for themselves, not dependent on the government.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe The market is NOT the best way to provide for everything. You've been brainwashed to think so by GOD DAMN FUCKING SELLOUT TRAITOROUS SCUMBAGS WHO GET FUCKING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to support shipping our FUCKING jobs overseas, to FUCKING let us die when we get sick. And to FUCKING make it easier for them to kill TRILLIONS of GOD'S creatures by avoiding regulations. You are a brainwashed FUCK. Please die.
Teremei 9 months ago
@Teremei The market is ALWAYS better than the government. No one shipped your job overseas. You simply became too expensive to employ. No one is killing of God's creatures. We are still discovering new species everyday. It is you who are brainwashed and brain dead. Learn to take responsibility for yourself and stop sucking the rest of dry financially.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe "No one is killing of God's creatures. We are still discovering new species everyday."
so... no animals have ever gone extinct as a result of human action? and new species are spontaneously generating to replace the ones that were extinct (though you seem to be saying none have gone extinct)? And the recent oil spills haven't affected ecosystems? That's "the market" at work too.
jacksonwonderful 2 months ago
@jacksonwonderful Species of animals have become extinct long before mankind ever became the dominate species. This notion that every species of every creature should exist forever is simply nonsense. If you check many of those ecosystems have completely repaired themselves in far less time than predicted by the so-called experts.
CommonSenseJoe 2 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Actually, it isnt the truth because NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER NATION WITH NATIONAL HEALTH CARE HAS SEEN THE SAME PRICE INCREASES AS IN AMERICA.
Now please shut the fuck up you uneducated ignorant wretch and take your made up numbers with you. 80%...fucken hell you people make me sick.
So...why the FUCK arent you calling what insurance companies are doing SOCIALISM? Afterall, they are charging YOU more for what OTHER people are doing using medicare? Corporate whore...
rdrakken 9 months ago 2
@rdrakken That's because they have PRICE CONTROLS. They set the price by LAW. Just because you don't like the 80% number does not make it untrue. Look it up yourself! In fact, it is set to get WORSE! Google "Doc Fix". Insurance companies are NOT socialism. They provide a service. YOU determine how much and what they are responsible for. Not so when the government is in charge. Socialism is when the government own or control the entire industry. They are in charge, and you are not.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe OMG BUT PRICE CONTROLS IS COMMIE SOCIALIST FACIST NAZISM FROM THE MOUTH OF SATAN! And setting the price by LAW is BIG GOVERNMENT getting in the hands of the purity of corporate profits!
And the doc fix bill was a bribe to win support from the AMA. $245 billion dollars to be given to doctors so they still get a PAY RAISE with the cuts to health care.
insurance IS socialism because if something happens to someone else, it can raise YOUR rates thus you are paying for them!
rdrakken 9 months ago
@rdrakken Price controls are what they are. They are government attempting to control the market and even with them, socialized medicine is going broke. The "doc fix" was not a bribe, but done to prevent another cut to the reimbursement rate of Medicare which is going broke. Insurance IS not socialism. Medicare is socialism. Social Security is socialism. You have no idea how insurance or insurance companies operate. The President does, and that is why he is driving them out of business!
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe And NO, Socialism is NOT limited to when the government owns or controls a thing.
Socialism is an ECONOMIC system, a poltical philosophy and a form of SOCIAL ORGANIZATION...fucking uneducated prick.
All insurance falls under the Social organization catagory in which everyone belonging to that organization provides money to cover everyone elses costs...people like you are a fucking joke and are easy to manipulate.
rdrakken 9 months ago
@rdrakken I never used the word "limited" moron, in regards to socialism. Insurance is NOT socialism unless it is a non-for-profit association controlled by the members of the group. However, their participation in the group is voluntary, not mandatory. Insurance of any kind that is for-profit, which is what we were talking about, is not socialism. Insurance is simply a means of managing YOUR risk. You transfer some risk to the company and pay a premium. YOU CHOOSE! YOU Idiot!
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
And here come the trolls, paid by the GOP's puppet-masters, out to try their damnedest to convince people that Ryan's plan isn't as awful as it actually, truly is. I love how these people like to bring up Medicare's 'exploding budget' and not address the fact that "Obamacare" actually began to rein in Medicare's budget. I like how they call forcing people to attempt to find a benevolent, not-for-profit insurance company (which doesn't exist) is 'emphasizing private decision-making."
JakobiRobi9 9 months ago
@JakobiRobi9 Medicare is broke.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@quizerry , no, Ryan's plan isn't close to what CongressCritters or any federal worker gets. It's a "premium support" plan where I, 1 year short of magic 55 cut-off, get a set amount of $ to allocate to premiums for health insurance plan I have buy from health insurance industry. Premium support amount to be pegged to something like CPI with no restraint on costs/premiums which continue to rise at well above the inflation rate. So I get to pay the estimated $6k annual gap. Still Medicare? Nope.
jsmagid 9 months ago
@jsmagid Healthcare cost have risen above inflation sense government intervention. Before that HC cost were very reasonable. We already have socialized medicine when 50% of the industry is run by government. Government sets the prices for 1/2 the HC sector and influences prices for the private 1/2. Government controls consumption and production through regulation. Government is the reason for high cost HC. We don't have a free market system when government controls all aspects of the industry.
quizerry 9 months ago
@jsmagid You do know reg medicare "pay as you go" Is not free. Money is taken from your SS check for it. The Drug benefit you pay cash for. Reg medicare out of pocket hospital has no cap so you could owe thousands of dollars for one hospital stay. Medicare advantage ( run by private companies) has an out of pocket cap of $2800 to $3500 depending on the plan you choose. To pick up the out of pockets most seniors BUY a medicare gap plan. They run $150 to $500 a month.
quizerry 9 months ago
@jsmagid HC cost have skyrocketed because of government intervention. HC lobbyist have spent more money then any other industry to get the laws past that benefit them at consumers expense. All because of governments role in the HC industry. We don't have a free market system were consumers drive prices. Government is the problem. Get government out of the HC business and let consumers drive prices not lobbyist and politicians.
quizerry 9 months ago
@quizerry Another point is that the USA spends over 7,000 dollars per individual on health care. Next highest country Switzerland that has a composite universal coverage. Coverage mandated by government executed by private insurance, Germany has similar system at about 4000.00 per person. France which is generally considered to have the best health care system in the world, covers it people at a cost of 3700. per year.
I do not see how you statement is supported by any facts. Data OECD & JHU.
THELIBERAL 9 months ago
@THELIBERAL We spend more because WE have the freedom to spend more on healthcare. Socialized systems control costs through rationing and price controls. The French system is going broke and making cut backs which have drive people to the streets in protect. They have hire taxes than we as well. Your problem is that you are comparing the WRONG statistics. Look at the shortfall OUR government is creating for providers by not paying the full cost of benefits for Medicare and Medicaid.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe Joe you are full of beans. We pay almost twice per capita for health insurance in this country vs anyone else and we have 40 million uninsured. The French system may be going broke but they still pay half of what we do for better care, so do the Germans, Canadians, Japanese, British, everyone and they insure everyone. It is also a mis characterization that medicare does not pay the full cost of benefits. They will not pay for a 7 dollar Qtip charged by the for profit hospital.
THELIBERAL 9 months ago 2
@THELIBERAL I am not disputing that we pay more. We pay more because WE choose to pay more. We have more options and more opportunity. I like that freedom. If the socialized systems are now going broke, even with price controls and such, why would we want to go to that system? I am not misrepresenting anything. I am giving you the facts. Providers are dropping Medicare and Medicaid patients. Patients must now pay upfront and settle with Medicare and they are NOT HAPPY!
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@CommonSenseJoe that we have more options is just not true. The average American does not have more options. Options for care in this country are all dependent on your income and not need. As far socialized systems going broke that is not correct. France in 2004 and 2006 instituted changes that have kept the system intact. The fact still stands that we pay twice as much as any else and receive poorer out comes for most and have the least government controls..
THELIBERAL 9 months ago
@THELIBERAL -
By removing the Insurance Companies from the equation, & removing oil company subsidies, & cutting Defense Spending by 15%, and putting the Ronald Reagan tax rates back into effect -- Medicare will be solvent until at least 2589
There are other ways to solve the problems. We needn't throw the elderly under the bus in a few yrs.
DillonDee9 9 months ago
Kill medicare? That is a down right lie. The truth is medicare will be broke if we don't do something. If all these politicians believe in government run healthcare. How come they have exempt themselves from Obamacare? How come they (much like Ryan's plan) get to choose a private HC plan that suits their needs and government pays the premium. That is what Ryan proposes to give seniors a choice that suits their needs while gov pays the premium. Very close to what medicare advantage does.
quizerry 9 months ago
@quizerry The biggest problem of the Ryan's plan is when you are a senior, you are unlikely to get affordable insurance. I have a friend who dropped his family's health insurance (that is why I believe health insurance should be mandatory) because he thinks health insurance is too expansive to him because he is not qualified for group insurance rate after losing his job at a big company. This is the case even when he is still at middle age. Think about when you get old and no group rate...
songr 9 months ago
Let the unelected Death Panel of 15 begin!! : )
TheYoungTurdz 9 months ago
9.1 % man that stimulus money is doing wonders, i guess comrade obama feels it is doing so good that he went and started the libyan war
100crawma 9 months ago 2
Yes, because there are not/will not be/never were death panels. Don't beleive everything Glen Beck tells you! If you mean doctor's being allowed to bill for counseling patient's on end of life decisions and various options , of course they should be.
pembroke2 9 months ago 2
@pembroke2 Obamacare sets up cost-benefit boards and commissions and Independent Payment Advisory Board who will judge Medicare's cost-effectiveness. Ask yourself if the government has deep budgetary problems will the " "the cost-benefit analysis morph toward financial restraint that limits a patient's options and benefits and therefore his or her rights? If the board finds a cancer drug is to expensive to give a senior an extra year of life they have the right to deny treatment?
quizerry 9 months ago
@quizerry Is this kind of "rationing" already happening in the private insurance? My doctor told me that she could not prescribe the cholesterol medicine, but had to start with a cheaper one with higher side effect, which turned out that my reaction to the cheaper medicine was too strong. Maybe I should complain, maybe I should switch the insurance company - but you know how unrealistic it is!
I just feel the Rep. idea is stupid, or unrealistic.
songr 9 months ago
@songr You could get any medication you want if your doctor proscribes it and YOU pay for it.
CommonSenseJoe 9 months ago
@songr Medicare does the same thing they issue the cheaper off brands if you want the name brand you pay big money for it. Not all hospitals take medicare unless it is an emergency, many Doctors are taking no more medicare patients. The out of pockets for reg medicare in hospital are $6000 and up medicare advantage (run by a private company) are $2800 to $3500 depending on your plan. And you have co-pays for Doctors and Drugs unless you buy a private gap plan that picks up the out of pockets.
quizerry 9 months ago
@quizerry And this differs from insurance companies HOW?
Oh, yeah - a government office might NOT let you die in agony just to improve the stock prices.
arbane235 9 months ago
@pembroke2 Fact is health care reform means increased patient power. ObamaCare institutionalizes politicized rationing. Rep. Ryan's plan would emphasize private decision-making. His approach also would restrain Medicare's exploding budget.
quizerry 9 months ago
Can someone please explain how saying that the Ryan budget will kill Medicare is any different than saying Obama's healthcare plan would set up death panels for grandma?
Stormsteed 9 months ago
As a commenter on the Washington Post site for this issue says, "So, money is legitimately speech, but having a critical opinion of legislation isn't free speech if it's not described the way you insist it be described?"
The arguments for and against saying that the new plan will "end Medicare" are presented in the article, and the debate isn't nearly one-sided enough for the Republicans to attempt to have this ad removed; freedom of speech is more important than precisely accurate wording.
airandfingers 9 months ago 6
@airandfingers But the ad is a complete lie. Ryan's plan doesn't kill medicare it switches it to a plan much like these politicians get. A private Health plan of your choice where government pays the premiums. I think it is a great Idea to create more competition to lower HC cost to all. Medicare advantage plans are similar in that they are privided by private insurance companies and Government pays the premiums. Medicare advantage has much lower out of pocket cost then reg medicare.
quizerry 9 months ago
@quizerry "Ryan's plan doesn't kill medicare it switches it to a plan much like these politicians get."
The plan ends Medicare as we know it and establishes a different system. Continuing to call it Medicare doesn't imply that Medicare is not "ending." With this plan, there would still be government medical support for those in need, but it would go through private insurance companies, not the current Medicare system.
That argument is solid enough that it's unconstitutional to censor the ad.
airandfingers 9 months ago