Just for your information, the "maxim gun" from 1885 which was biritsh made is not the system you all know as "Mg08" "pm1910" or "maxim m32" no the best known design was made by Nordenfeldt, this swede. Maxim nordenfeldt 1895 is the gun you all think off
The original mechanism was invented and patented by Helge Palmcrantz (a Swede) in 1873. Thorsten Nordenfelt (another Swede) bought the rights and started making the gun in England, and it was used extensively by the British Navy and a few others. I don't know if Sweden used it. Does this make it a Swedish or British weapon - I don't know. But think also on this - the famous USS Monitor was designed by John Ericsson (yet another Swede) - would this make the Monitor a Swedish ship? :)
sounds also a lil but like atomic bomb.the americans say yeah america atomic bomb but in reality a german scientist developed it.thanks for the info now i know who really developed the gun it was a swede NICE :) and i thought it was english.
Justforever, I don't know of any firing examples of Nordenfelts - there may be a few multi-barrel repro guns around but I doubt they use the Nordenfelt mechanism. I agree it would be tremendous to see and hear a 1 inch 4-barrel in full flow. Or, a 10-barrel firing a ripple salvo. If only I could get sound to work on my animations I could simulate that as well. Thanks for your interest. For more information on Nordenfelts, Hotchkiss try google victorianshipmodels.
The firing pins are released in sequence, and as there is a 3 degree separation between each release, an experienced gunner could fire single shots. However, think what this is - its a gun designed to fire as many bullets as possible in the shortest possible time at a torpedo boat about to launch its weapon at you. So spray as many bullets in the hope of damaging it. Also the ship is moving, so even if you could see where a single shot landed, you could not easily adjust your aim. Just spray!
@vbbsmyt Yeah, I know it would be pointless, I was just curious as to whether it was technically possible to fire single shots. Are there any firing re-creations of Nordenfeldt guns in existence? I'd like to hear what one sounds like going off.
I just had a notion...do the firing-pins really dis-engage in sequence, or do all 4 barrels fire at once? Because if they fired in a sequence, it seems that a gunner should be able to fire singe shots by slowly pushing-home the lever for the last few degrees of stroke, to fire one barrel at a time. I guess that would be impractical, since the aimer isn't the one running the lever. If they do fire sequentially, perhaps that helps to "straddle" a moving target, since it's hard to aim with cranks.
I was reading my .pdf version of Chinn's Machine Gun book yesterday, his explaination didnt make nearly as much sense as this visual. Thanks for sharing it with us.
@XplosiveProductZ Not exactly...a "volley gun" is technically a whole pile of single-shot barrels, all fired at once or close sequence. This gun uses a mechanical action to load itself; I guess by modern legal standards, this is more like a "volley-firing-mechanically-repeating-gun", since the hammer-sear is engaged for every shot...as long as the sear "engages" for each shot, it's not an MG (ie not restricted).Once started, a "machine" gun fires with no human work, not even to trigger it.
@XplosiveProductZ Yes, it is a manually-operated weapon...I was just saying that it's not technically a machine gun (MG), since it must be operated by a man. But it's not a "volley gun" either. That was the point of what I was saying. It's not really inaccurate to call it a MG, just TECHNICALLY inaccurate. It's certainly a mechanical monster! Most people would call a Minigun a "machine gun", but it's technically not, since it is externally powered. It's a triviality; I was just mentioning it.
Well, I ordered from the Leeds library the material available there and am redrawing first the parts at full scale on large sheets, but still cannot figure out exactly how the rear part of the mechanism is working, and what makes the hammers locked in the trigger comb, too. Perhaps an exploded view could help? I intend to build it, scaled down (of course!) as a paper model mechanism first. (...to be continued)
It is a locking cam, which moves a pair of pins into the side frame to lock the breech before firing. The sliding breech piece holds the firing pins and springs, the breeches, which push the shells into the chambers, and the whole is locked using the pins that extend sideways into the frame. Rob
Thanks for your comments. The model was built using Rhino 4, and animated using Bongo, and using drawings from the Gunnery Manual 1885. Since then I have examined the real thing, and will have to correct a few mistakes, but the general action is correct.
One of these is in a weapons museum near west point. I saw it. Quite interesting gun
Trashcansam123 1 month ago
so that metal plate that slides with that lever has 4 firing pins? cool gun too!
burningsponge 11 months ago
Just for your information, the "maxim gun" from 1885 which was biritsh made is not the system you all know as "Mg08" "pm1910" or "maxim m32" no the best known design was made by Nordenfeldt, this swede. Maxim nordenfeldt 1895 is the gun you all think off
JSLegoMaster 1 year ago
The original mechanism was invented and patented by Helge Palmcrantz (a Swede) in 1873. Thorsten Nordenfelt (another Swede) bought the rights and started making the gun in England, and it was used extensively by the British Navy and a few others. I don't know if Sweden used it. Does this make it a Swedish or British weapon - I don't know. But think also on this - the famous USS Monitor was designed by John Ericsson (yet another Swede) - would this make the Monitor a Swedish ship? :)
vbbsmyt 1 year ago
sounds also a lil but like atomic bomb.the americans say yeah america atomic bomb but in reality a german scientist developed it.thanks for the info now i know who really developed the gun it was a swede NICE :) and i thought it was english.
GeneralSchultz 5 months ago
Swedish Weapon :)
rabies79 1 year ago
Justforever, I don't know of any firing examples of Nordenfelts - there may be a few multi-barrel repro guns around but I doubt they use the Nordenfelt mechanism. I agree it would be tremendous to see and hear a 1 inch 4-barrel in full flow. Or, a 10-barrel firing a ripple salvo. If only I could get sound to work on my animations I could simulate that as well. Thanks for your interest. For more information on Nordenfelts, Hotchkiss try google victorianshipmodels.
vbbsmyt 1 year ago
The firing pins are released in sequence, and as there is a 3 degree separation between each release, an experienced gunner could fire single shots. However, think what this is - its a gun designed to fire as many bullets as possible in the shortest possible time at a torpedo boat about to launch its weapon at you. So spray as many bullets in the hope of damaging it. Also the ship is moving, so even if you could see where a single shot landed, you could not easily adjust your aim. Just spray!
vbbsmyt 1 year ago
@vbbsmyt Yeah, I know it would be pointless, I was just curious as to whether it was technically possible to fire single shots. Are there any firing re-creations of Nordenfeldt guns in existence? I'd like to hear what one sounds like going off.
justforever96 1 year ago
I just had a notion...do the firing-pins really dis-engage in sequence, or do all 4 barrels fire at once? Because if they fired in a sequence, it seems that a gunner should be able to fire singe shots by slowly pushing-home the lever for the last few degrees of stroke, to fire one barrel at a time. I guess that would be impractical, since the aimer isn't the one running the lever. If they do fire sequentially, perhaps that helps to "straddle" a moving target, since it's hard to aim with cranks.
justforever96 1 year ago
Very interesting!
I was reading my .pdf version of Chinn's Machine Gun book yesterday, his explaination didnt make nearly as much sense as this visual. Thanks for sharing it with us.
I added it to my favourites.
TooTallDean 1 year ago
.... isn't this a volley gun?
XplosiveProductZ 1 year ago
@XplosiveProductZ Not exactly...a "volley gun" is technically a whole pile of single-shot barrels, all fired at once or close sequence. This gun uses a mechanical action to load itself; I guess by modern legal standards, this is more like a "volley-firing-mechanically-repeating-gun", since the hammer-sear is engaged for every shot...as long as the sear "engages" for each shot, it's not an MG (ie not restricted).Once started, a "machine" gun fires with no human work, not even to trigger it.
justforever96 1 year ago
@justforever96 but the video shows that it is a hand pulled weapon
XplosiveProductZ 1 year ago
@XplosiveProductZ Yes, it is a manually-operated weapon...I was just saying that it's not technically a machine gun (MG), since it must be operated by a man. But it's not a "volley gun" either. That was the point of what I was saying. It's not really inaccurate to call it a MG, just TECHNICALLY inaccurate. It's certainly a mechanical monster! Most people would call a Minigun a "machine gun", but it's technically not, since it is externally powered. It's a triviality; I was just mentioning it.
justforever96 1 year ago
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RenaudGrizzli 2 years ago
Well, I ordered from the Leeds library the material available there and am redrawing first the parts at full scale on large sheets, but still cannot figure out exactly how the rear part of the mechanism is working, and what makes the hammers locked in the trigger comb, too. Perhaps an exploded view could help? I intend to build it, scaled down (of course!) as a paper model mechanism first. (...to be continued)
RenaudGrizzli 2 years ago
wow what a stunning beauty. I wish it would see some virtual action.
Stalin111 2 years ago
My favourite machine_gun...It is the first time for over thirty years my eyes deep into the mechanism!
RenaudGrizzli 2 years ago
for what is that green part of the gun??
CptKolbenschlag 2 years ago
It is a locking cam, which moves a pair of pins into the side frame to lock the breech before firing. The sliding breech piece holds the firing pins and springs, the breeches, which push the shells into the chambers, and the whole is locked using the pins that extend sideways into the frame. Rob
vbbsmyt 2 years ago
Thanks for your comments. The model was built using Rhino 4, and animated using Bongo, and using drawings from the Gunnery Manual 1885. Since then I have examined the real thing, and will have to correct a few mistakes, but the general action is correct.
Rob
vbbsmyt 2 years ago