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  • U sure this isnt BJJ?

  • and as much as bjj guys talk about position over cheap shots, that bullshit, in sambo we do tons of ground fighting, and all u gotta do is tickle there ribs or just slightly poke them in the balls or eyes and it changes everything. your dumb to let anyone take your back, or else your just slow and weak. thats why grappling did good in war when the guys wore armour and helmets.

  • at atc i train in sambo, ninjitsu, karate, and kickboxing, yes all of them, 4 nights a week. 2 hours a night. The first thing you learn about street self defense is never to shoot at a person, mainly for legal reasons, and if its another fellow that knows sambo, your gonna be getting hurt doen that. in mma there very respectful. dont let these cheap internet fight make you have a boner. real fight dont last for 5 minutes

  • and with the guys posting vids of bjj always winning, well mayby its just cuz bjj guys have some ego troubles, and just like to show off there style with the idea that its more superior just cuz it focuses on the ground with the belief that a fight will always go there, even though its the dumbest thing you could do in a self defense situation. dont say the gracies made it out of fights in brazil, i dunno mayby they were use to getting kicked in the head while they were down there

  • thats not karate mma vs kickboxing, thats one man against another man that both live very different lives. whats with you people comparing styles omg. like brazilian jujitsu, yes you see alooooot of vids on youtube that always have some bjj guy beating whoever, as well as the gracies. have you ever thought the gracies were selective as to who they fought, and never taped a loss. i heard a gracie got his arm broke by some judo guy in japan cuz he wouldnt tap.

  • sta merda nn mi sembra nè karatè nè kickboxing...sembra d più una sorta di combattimento di sumo ._.

  • Karate wins!

  • i see no fucking kick boxing or karate moves in this video, just 2 big guys fighting like builders

  • No top comments? this is my time to shayne

  • Kickboxing ftw

  • awesome by the way karate is the best and its proved in this video

  • An attacker who uses grapples

  • @ThePinkMan your right and I'm quite dissapointed in modern martail artists for thinking this is the way the style is to be used very few can actually pull it off such as jka tkd itf some of them and some kung fu guys other wize there just performing kickboxing they don't even use stance and limit themselfs to just striking abandoning the grappleing elements included in thier style and get a rude awakening when faced against an atttacker

  • Karate does not work in a real fight

  • @TheRuan1001 You think....

  • @nogek

    Is about a style it is ?!?!

    PLS !

  • @codrin03 i have and it works everytime thank you very much... Good training brings good resaults in any style and mine happens to be karate...

  • @nogek i wish to see you using real karate in a real fight!

  • @codrin03 - What you think it is not possible? My whole fighting comes from karate. Been in karate for 17 years now. I have been in a fight with a wrestler and the other fight was with somebody I did not know at all. Both attacked first. Both never got a hit in. Wrestlers nose was broken and the other guys wind was knocked out. 1st one Oi zuki. and second fight Mae Geri in the stomach. Both did not get up. Both were karate that I used. Please dont say karate does not work in a real fight.

  • @mizmera it doesnt work in mma the way its trained in 99% of dojos worldwide,you need to spar full contact and wrestle and do groundwork and do them all in the same sparring sessions.

  • which karate style???

  • @namelesssnitchy

    is no karate :D

  • A guy with black belts in martial arts who knows how to use that and fight in a street fight also. Howard was a tough guy but yea there were better fighters than him out there back then.

  • @nogek dude u guys gotta be kidding, thats harold howard his backround is karate man.. nothing else....everyone look it up!!!!! seriously.....and yes kung fu karate is very effective in mma, people.. more and more will come in the future too...muay thia is also another traditional kung fu art that has become popular in mma...

  • If you want to see a real karte vs kickboxing go look up lyoto machida vs Rashad Evans....Tragic!

  • @OoRaHDaWg21 Rashad's background is predominantly collegiate wrestling. He's obviously trained kickboxing techniques because that's a part of being a mixed martial artist, but so has Machida. 

  • @ThePinkMan I know bt you can see in Rashads stand-up that it is kickboxing....Bt if u smart and no Martial arts then you can definitly see Machida's stand-up is predominantly Shotokan

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  • @OoRaHDaWg21 It's still a poor example because Rashad definitely isn't as good at kickboxing as Machida is at karate. He also never achieved anything in kickboxing prior to his MMA career, while Machida was a succesful competitor in karate.

    I'm just saying that Machida has fought better kickboxers than Rashad and there are better examples to look at.

  • @ThePinkMan Yeah your right, I just said that first comment explaining real Karate in MMA cause this video sucks ass claiming Karate is in it.

  • @OoRaHDaWg21 The title just refers to their backgrounds. Harold Howard is still a 3rd degree Goju black belt even if he mostly relied on his bar bouncing experience.

    Try looking up Gerard Gordeau or Keith Hackney from the old UFC. They exhibit their karate experience more clearly than Howard.

  • @ThePinkMan neither howard,gordeau or hackney showed any karate in any fight,ever.The only person ever to use karate at elite mma level is machida,thats 1 person in 18 yrs of mma.They all use what could be only described as crap kickboxing,in fact gordeau was by far the best of those 3 and had lots of kickboxing experience

  • @scarred10 Most striking styles that incorporate punches and kicks, when trained with aliveness, are going to resemble kickboxing. I suggested Gordeau and Hackney because there's more evidence of training in their style than the bar-brawling Howard. Keep in mind I only brought this up to appease the karate purists.

    By the way, Gordeau's base was predominantly Kyokushin. He transitioned to Savate and K-1 later on, but it was his skill developed in Kyokushin that brought him success.

  • @ThePinkMan the fact they resemble kickboxing is proof they are training incorrectly,if karate training was effective,youd see karate blocks,kicks,strikes and stances straigth out of kata.If those cant be done ,they should be training like kickboxers obviously

  • @scarred10 I don't know what you're trying to argue against, to be honest.

    Traditional martial artists who train with aliveness usually realize that the "kata techniques" are low percentage moves. Once all is said and done, their style at least broadly resembles kickboxing. This is just a reality of combat.

    Fighters who've either trained the more exotic techniques extensively or who have substantial physical talent can pull them off, but the bread and butter remains the same.

  • @scarred10 You are not allowed to use certain blocks strikes and so on because what if you break his neck, stick your vingers into his windpipe, tear of his ears, dislocate his elbow/arm/hip/knee,rip off his jaw. You see the fighting you guys see from a karate trained guy in MMA is not real karate. I would love if you could attend on of my classes and just sit and watch what its about before judging.

  • @mirageF1AZ youre allowed use any blocks and strikes but certain targets are banned or it would never be legal.You can certainly dislocate any joint including the neck,thats what happens if the lad doesnt tap.Obviously its not possible to rip someones jaw off.What machida does isnt real karate?Hes the only person capable of using it so far at elite level.

  • @scarred10

    If you look carefully all of Hawards strikes are loaded from chamber, his opening move was a backfist, and he is bouncing with his hands down point style sport Karate all the way! lol, true though it all looks like kickboxing at the end of the day! kata sucks..

  • @deanpool You're right about his stance. Stephen Thompson, a fighter with a Karate base, fought the same way last night on the UFC.

    Howard's only full-contact experience was bouncing at bars, though, so that impacted his finesse.

  • @nogek Take it for what it's worth. Harold Howard, the fighter here, was a 3rd degree Goju-ryu black belt and the Canadian Heavyweight Karate Champion.

    Despite this, he chose to fight in the same manner he did when he was a bar bouncer.

  • @ThePinkMan So you agree with me: in this video, there is no Karate.

  • @nogek I'm saying that you should think about why he abandoned his style. I assume you want to see a video that validates your own training. Instead, you found one that can help you ask question about our style.

  • @ThePinkMan I wanted to watch a video of a Karate martial artist fighting a kickboxer. What I got was a scrappy brawl with neither Karate or kickboxing and in fact no martial arts whatsoever. Just to reiterate: no Karate, no kickboxing and no martial arts so every word in this video's title is wrong. There are no questions in my mind about this video and I can't learn anything from it.

  • @nogek No, you can learn a lot. The karate guy here fought differently than how he trained because his training was not full-contact. If you're training to fight for points like he was, then you're probably going to abandon your style in a real confrontation as well.

    Also, it's not mentioned in the description, but the kickboxer was also a collegiate wrestler. The takedowns he performed were a evidence of legitimate martial arts training,

  • Fake they don't even look like the same weight class

  • @MrGA555 There were no weightclasses for the UFC in the early 90's.

  • its more like street fight??

  • nice mullet... what trailer park you from?

  • @nogek thats why there pros an ur not lmfao

  • this is NOT karate, this NO martial art, this is a shame to anyone that knows martial arts

  • eso mas bn parecia boxeo

    

  • GIVE ME THE SONG !!!

  • hey, but the first fight, a fighter with white t shirt, used too much Grapling tecniques

  • who are this 2 guys

  • karate e taekondo manda merda

  • this guys ground game is too good to be pure karate.

  • @zerordieb87 hes name is Harold Howard he did Jujitsu and karate both japan he was the only dude to beat royce at that time lol

  • @SteelClaw i knew it!

  • @SteelClaw he didn't beat Royce, There was no match because Helio Gracie threw in the towel, Royce couldn't see, had a hurt ankle and broke his hand in the previous fight so he couldn't continue the tournament.

  • @Nayib1 still counts as a loss on royce is mma record lol but i get u

  • at 49 seconds they were kissing

  • no kickboxing

    no karate

  • if this was real karate you wouldnt be aloud to hook sum1 fuckin retarded

  • this videos is a s**t!

  • this wrestling lol

  • this guy in the white pants was not KARATE-DO the only form of Karate there is he was more like KROTY the typical AMERICAN way of saying a person does martial arts.

  • Karate sucks.. do taekwondo (not sure how u spell)

  • @rhys4eva haha you obviously don't no anything about martial arts...

  • I see a blet but no karate style what so ever i just see a man with a belt brawling

  • i can't see any karate moves....

  • probably the worst karate black belt ever

  • esoo no es kickboxin es vletodo .l.

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  • @alijoseify juum estabien (: losiento

    esque como yo practico kickboxing pues.. tu sabes

  • is because is a mix fight is imposible to use karate tecniques in a free artmartial figth

  • ohh man,no gloves! =o

  • @NahaShuriTomari ive been doing it for five years with sama

  • im a black belt in karate, even though the karate guy won, it seemed he won by brute force and used no karate skill

  • @NinjaPenguins1995 Karate is brutal force. "One hit one kill" is that not the ultimate idea in Japanese Karate, aside from not fighting at all, which is not a bad idea and likely what most of the commentators in here practice. It is very difficult if not impossible to use clean Japanese Karate technique when in a full contact fight. In the end I would say this guy is not bad nor is he impressive but he did fight hard and I don't know if I would have liked to be in there with him.

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  • KARATE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • lol thts not karate

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  • it's really fair how the guy the is like 70 points heavier.

  • lol he dont know karate hes just fighting !!

  • lol 1:17 the referee schould be deported for that

  • This is a saloon riot...........

  • the karate man is heavier than the kick boxer, an equal fight requires same tecnique develope , fisical condition, and weight.

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  • @alijoseify If I could be you by Dj Dean

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  • @rabid1canadian thanks bro!

  • go KARAATE !! lol

  • no karate?!?

  • what the name of the song bro?

  • no mames ke gano el de karate no chingen es mejor kick boxing pero a este del kick boxing le falta practica

  • fucking funny music to go with two angry men fighting

  • i dont see karate or kickbox...

  • music is gay

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  • That guy with the mullet does both Karate and Jujitsu and i've seen him before in other fights he is pretty good.

  • @3fireshinobi

    True they are way more different, tho i would have loved to see some more high kicks.

    I give prio to Kyokushin Kai most as it is my style.

  • karate is better

  • hate chinesse songs.

  • @Gamerforever1 it's not chinese :D

  • HAHAHA wtf? ! he coulnd make it ennyway lol who sings it ?

  • People should know that this fight is 15+ years old....

  • whats the music on this can someone tell me please? thanks

  • both of these guys are "karate guys". the one dressed as karate-ka yeah, but the guy in the black shorts is schooled in daidojuku apparently so this is like karate vs karate + MMA or whatever i dont care....................i love karate :)

  • this isnt karate Lol, for be good at karate need to go on japan and study there

  • i dont understand how is that karate..he just punched like 10 times..the fuck.

  • @wowisuckatmath

    HURR DURRRR idiot alert!

    So your saying no punches are used in karate? lmao!

  • @kayoss420 lmao! no. when did i say that?

  • The karate guy was a pointfighting competitor and instructor, but he was also a bouncer. The kickboxer was also a wrestler, which is why he went for those takedowns.

  • Karate guy is awesome :D

  • hiiiiYAH!!!

  • That guy was out matched, Out of his weight limit, height, and reach. Thumb down for the match not the video.

  • lol that looked like a bar fight

  • The way the karateka (the winner) walks around with his arms out like a gorilla at the end xD

    It's like:

    "I'm Big..." or

    "I.. Got.. Hoes..." (check out the Steven Seagal musicvideo on YouTube...)

  • I put the song in the top 10 gayiest of all time.

  • nice!!!karate rocks!!

  • not kickboxing im kickboxer and i dont see any movement of kickboxing

  • not karate and not kickboxing, im a karateka and i didn't see a karate move or something like that, and the kickboxer is more like a jiujitsu

  • not a clean fight .. i mean, i dont see the typical stance and moves as in karate or kickboxing.

  • holy poop that guys good at karate

  • it was a crappy fight which showed barely any technique

    nice soundtrack though :D

  • first of all the guy who said this is tae kwon do is retarded neither one of them fight like tae kwon do second the guy who said this is grappling is just a dumb ass and doesnt know anything about the arts and the guys who said their is no technique also does not know any thing about karate or other arts maybe you guys should take some lessons I have one question what is the guys name in the white i have seen him before he dominates just cant think of his name ?

  • 1:08 he tried to kick him in the balls but missed,

  • i saw this fight it's a taekwondo guy

  • no karate

  • k i wanted karate vs kickboxing and i get grapples. mma thinks they are every thing. none of this shit looked like either or

  • @thoroughbred765 MMA is not a fighting style is a kind of competition were you can fight with any style of fighting you want, and this are not people trying to win some points on a Karate tournament, this is a real fight.

  • @enviardime mma isnt a fighting style but most people that are mma fighters do the same shit

  • @thoroughbred765 They do what works for them.

  • ieehl touches ass on 1:15 :) LMFAO

  • this is a human cockfight

    i dont see any styles inpartiular, just brawling and pounding

  • Yeah its lie super heavy weight vs middleweight

  • "karate" hehe lol wrestling is called :)

  • i love it when the karate guy wins thens struts around the ring givin it the big one.

    CLASS!!

  • @3101jimbo what are u even talking about he just walked over to his corner big deal

  • @joelaka3pac123 lmao i was only joking about, chill 

  • Karate is superior striking art.

  • whoa intense, i havn't seen someone who is "karate" use boxing punchs before and hammer fists.... anyone notice he was just going berserker lol.

  • @susie2292 hahahaha even when i trained in gojyu ryu which is a 'soft style' we have hammer fists... why do people always say 'that wasn't an X move, its a Y move'? its ridiculous. anyone who is truly a martial artist who has studied at a decent school, or has advanced past 1st kyu understands that many arts have the same techniques or variations on a theme. There are even takedowns, bars, throws and grappling in Karate-do they just usually aren't emphasized.

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  • lol at 1:00 he touch his balls :D

  • karate loses i seen that black belt guy hit the other guy in the back of the head

  • what is the song?

  • lol talk about a ko

  • i love western boxing, kick boxing, karate, aikido, and judo

    i love to combine them all

  • Shotokan karate obviously.

  • what a crap -.- ! it's not fair -.-

    mike zampidis ftw!!!

  • hahahha that wasnt karate he was using it was boxing lmao

  • that wasnt kararte the way he was punching, the way he charged he was usin his own street fighting

  • Kick boxers fighting always their own size. You know why ? Because it's not an art but a sport.

    It's impossible for me to win against someone that have x2 times my direct /tolio/low reach. Impossible to win with all those rules.

    If I am free to lock, to knee where I want to, to attack knees and elbows then it's all about the person and not the fighting style.

  • If you fight an opponent 2X your size without rules, you'd still lose.  Keep in mind that your opponent can attack your knees and is free to lock as well.

    Oh, and kickboxing is an art.

  • i still prefer kickboxing, and lmao the karate dude was like 3x the size of the other dude xD and i just cant stand how stupid the karate fighting stanse is :/ but thats just me :P

  • @moodyjake17 The stances used in REAL Karate are very strong. This guy was just bouncing around like a boxer. If a real Karate student were to go against the "Karate" guy in the video, he would absolutely dominate. The general Karate sparring stance is more open, because it's more balanced between defense, attacking, and counter-attacks. In boxing, the arms are close to the body, making defense good, but attacking and countering slower.

  • @Trevorthekid oh ok i didnt really know much about karate , i do kickboxing thats why i prefer it but i cant really say its better :P and yea so i only really know about kickboxing but im joining jiu jitsu soon cuz i have to admit im prety bad when the fight goes to the ground , what fighting styles do you do?

  • Because that wasn't a Karate stance LOL

  • That karate guy was just whooping ass

  • what's the name of the karateka?

  • he grabs his but man :P

  • True Goju Ryu

  • no martial art is #1. Mmma gives the person ground work and western boxing skills, but that's not enough to call it complete. Many others find a variety of martial arts successful

  • adaptation, no single martial art can be called #1 mma can get close to giving groundwork and standup, but some find learning other types of styles as opposed to western boxing and jujitsu useful

  • adaptation, no single martial art can be called #1 mma can get close to giving groundwork and standup, but some find learning other types of styles as opposed to western boxing and jujitsu useful

  • the martial art doesn't mean 100% success. The people are what make the art an art. Depends on the skill level and knowledge of how to win over many varieties of attack

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  • no is good ...

  • Guy in black shorts needed to back off, he was WAAAAY too aggressive, you need balance in your fighting not just an on switch... damn.

  • shit man i train karate and this isent karate is shiti reslenig