Even if they won that challenge that car would not be repaired in time. Even the Dart fliped over after the challenge and I'm surprised they didn't film it or it was too graphic to show the film which might be why they showd snap shots of the car rolling.
dude people chill out! this had nothing to do with wether the road was bumpy or not the drivers plan was to run all out at the end and run straight through the finish to get a better time by not slowing to turn... so they went straight off the road instead of following the road adn they hit a concreat block... there own fucking fault, and its the drivers that bring there cars out knowing that they will be likely to be in challenges that could possibly damage the car... its BULLRUN suck it UP
no they should have fallowed the fucking corse they went straight to go faster at the end and purpously went straight instead of turning ... fucking stupid drivers
sugarpie.. Your dumber, The EVO is using lower suspension, These kind of shocks isn't for OFFROAD!!! You don't know much about mechanic of the cars. You only know how to do is cleaning and cook at home.
My theory is that either they were incompetent and unqualified to supervise the stunt or they did it deliberately. I pick the latter considering that Goldberg is on tape saying as much.
Still, The owner of Lancer have should know the ground is bumpy which its mismatch to their suspension. That still "stupid move ever I have seen"
I have 99 Civic which its lowering, I would NOT drive on gravel/off road more than 30 KM/H.. It will lose yo control If its too bumpy. I will still NOT drive through it.
Yes, see, there's the rub. He says he didn't know it was bumpy and that they did not tell him. He says he wasn't allowed to inspect the course. If you look at the video, it looks flat to me too. It had some weeds but I think any car could run over some weeds without damage.
@jsacustoms The Lancer Evolution Rally Car is a Rally Car, the Lancer Evolution is a Street car, lets see you take a bone stock Evo and run it in a rally special Stage.
Its a double standard that bullrun would allow other copyrighted material that shows them in a positive light on youtube but they hide behind copyright by forcing you tube to pull the video team evo posted blowing the whistle on the knuckledragging mouthbreathing bullrun producers and host.
i hope the show did put in the contract that theyre not liable for any injuries or deaths or personal dammage, and thete not responsible if you get tickets or arested
The show was wrong by not showing the line to the participants after the finish. The show dropped the ball on this one and has to be liable for the damages this has caused.
How do you crash an evo? I thought it was impossible.. and on its own turf? wow.... With a good driver I think the evo could have taken all of the win's judged on the courses they battled on.
This was the shittiest Evo driver of all time. A muscle car did a better time then him. This guy was a complete fucking joke and it sickens me. He was fucking pathetic. Look @ how slow he was fucking driving. This guy was a fucking joke.
It sucks to see a good evo killed (and I'm an STi fan) but they were such pricks they deserved it. Wonder whatever happened to the dude driving, I bet the owner (the co-pilot) murdered him or something.
notice how the dart only rolled and the evo smashed into a concrete block at 40 mph. straight line, dart, vette, mustang, they'll win. go around a track though and the evo will tear 'em up. all wheel drive and a WAY smaller turning radius
Yo I'm all for the imports...please my aim is importtemptress, give a GIRL like me the keys to that evo an yeah it'd be in the qualifying 3 for next Thursday!!
Every driver i have seen on bullrun sucks asshole. these are all rich pretty boyyuppies that can't drive for shit!! only reason i watch the show is to watch how poorly they try to maneuver bad ass cars. SAD.
There is no way in hell they won against the Evo. Looks like the Evo walked, pissed off the producers and so the producers manipulated the numbers. The producers are the judge, jury and executioner...I don't believe the outcome as they edited it one bit...The Evo is a dirt machine and those guys drove the crap out of it. They got air coming out of that gate which means they were flying -- literally.
@inudude15 sorry can't agree. every person i have seen on every episode of bullrun has a bunch of money, and could not win a race to save their life. Didn't even finish watching the last season. that show was just a huge waste of time and money.
@anythingoriginal Not really. Look at season one. Team Honda's Civic was ghetto fabulous and he was a good driver. Team Hummer from season 3 stood up to and beat a Hennessey Viper, with more than 3 times the power than it had. Team BMW did great and they were supposedly unemployed. Add to them Team Lexus SC300, and Team Camaro. Both cars were probably pricey from their mods, but both were handmade monsters. Just the sound of both was great, and that's coming through TV speakers.
Man, that must have took you all day and night to find a vid where rice beats muscle. FYI, I couldn't give more of a damn about dodge than I do with imports. We all know chevy is King of the muscle cars. I'm sorry you people have to go lower in the foodchain for a win. For the record, motortrend named the ZR1 CAR OF THE YEAR, yeah, not a tt rice burning pizza delivery boy car. There is a reason why things are made better in america.
wow u really want to say that about the car that has the record and just killed the zr1 when they had no practice on the track n just ran it and killed the zr1 by pretty much alot? okay man u keep thinking that corvettes are better than viper. now i know when respect is due but when u say that forgien cars suck im sorry dude but ur wrong.
"killed" the ZR1? you have NO FUCKING EVIDENCE AT FUCKING ALL!!! NONE!!! I have personally seen every possible ZR1 vid and not in 1 did I see the ZR1 get beat. These vids are from respectible and reputable places (emunds, motortrend) not places that would lie like some vids made by ricer lovers like yourself. And I give dodge 10X more respect than I give your 1000 sticker covered rice boy cars. You have to earn respect and imports haven't. BTW you need to pick a side and stop being a sellout
rice burner - a rice burner is an import with many stickers that say it is fast but really isn't, 1/2 inch exhaust leading into a 6in folgers coffee can muffler, a huge rear wing that at 300 mph could take off the ground, the wheels and rims cost more than the car. driver thinks he is the shit of the world. the engine mods include colorful wiring and other crap but the engine is still stock, and they talk shit saying that they beat all kinds of vettes when they don't and don't give up.
i find tht import tuner owners are really fuking coky bout their cars and muscle car owners are smart ass but they let the car do the talking, yet i have come to a conclusion tht u have to make a battle to win a battle and im sorry guys but just leave it at this.. i mean sure evo crashed their car but so did team dart and every car has its equal match, and sure ZR1 is fuking awsome but GTR is funking awsome as well so we really have to keep in perspective that we all have our own oppinions.
Massive power is not always a good thing. Put a dragster on a track with turns and see what happens. Power is great if you like going straight but there is a such thing as too much. Also depends on the type of track.
its funny that your name is josecrosscountry, because thats exactly how far you will be walking when your go-cart shoebox on wheels import breaks when trying to race a muscle car. Happens all the time and you'll be okay I promise.
Dude imports suck because they need big ass turbos to keep up with the dodge minivans. Watch out for those soccer vans, they just might smoke you ricer lover!!! I promise you can read the bumper stickers on the back of the van when it smokes you and you'll be okay. i promise.
wow r u kidding me? have u ever heard of the evo/sti they kill all in their price pretty much things that cost more and u wanna compare a "ricer" to a muscle car? what about the zr1 vs the gtr? the gtr cost like 30-40g less than the zr1 has less power and still almost beat it the zr1 sucks ass and almost got beat by a "ricer" and wow if them soccer van "smokes" ricers then them soccer van would murder ur piece of shit muscle cars. oh and i promise you'll be okay that u got beat by a "ricer"
When you say have i heard an evo/sti, I am thinking you mean the buzzing of a fart can, the cardboard bodykit, and seeing of the shopping cart spoiler. in that case, yes i have. Annoying I might add. Have you not seen all the posts on why the gtr is a candyass car, if not, there is NO evidence here on youtube that the gtr can compete with the ZR1, NONE. The ZR1 is king of the castle, I promise its hard you you to admit. But I am glad you admit your ricers will get beat by dodge minivans.
its okay guys they might have the zr1 but that company will die out soon enough and while gtr will live so who really wins in the end. hahah american cars suck! thats why they need help from us tax payers.
American cars don't suck, the management for the american manufactures suck. just because the management sucks, doesn't mean the engineering sucks. Edmunds even called the gtr "Playstation on wheels", meaning the car was a joke with all the electronics everywhere.
I'm pretty sure there is a small amount lost in translation. playstation on wheels doesn't translate into a joke. GTR VS ZR1 drag race translates into a joke. more like a lopsided win in the favor of the vette ofcoarse.
oh really? because im pretty sure it only managed to beat it by 0.28 sec on the 1/4 mile. A fucking 640bhp 1.2 tonn "supercar" beat a 480bhp 1.7 tonn sportscar by 0.28 sec? because of that the ZR1 was a joke in that drag. and i doubt an average joe could pull anywhere close to 11.3 in a ZR1 because its a RACE CAR for RACE DRIVERS.
Since you obviously know nothing about horsepower and what it takes to achieve it, let me explain. .28 sec IS A HUGE FUCKING TIME TO GET BEAT BY!!! THATS DAMN NEAR 3 TENTHS OF A SECOND!!. And this is the best that japan has? lol Btw who gives a damn about weight. its about output. I have NEVER seen a ricer pull 640 hp stock, because its IMPOSSIBLE to blow that much air into a lawn mower engine. Anyway, the only reason why imports r fast is cuz a strong human can lift one, just ask john pope.
thats onli true when the cars are around the same ouputs and dimensions.
"Btw who gives a damn about weight. its about output."
lol thats the most retarded thing ever. if u had a 5 tonn truck with 500bhp and a 1.3 tonn 170bhp civic on the strip/track the civic will win every time no matter how u look at it.
"I have NEVER seen a ricer pull 640 hp stock"
no shit. thats because they keep their displacments under 4L
Its not my fault the sheer brute power of the vette can't be matchedvs the power of a turbo. No replacement for displacement son. You are full of ricer BS, the 500 hp truck will crush the civic. I've seen 5 ton(thats 1 n you illiteret jackass) 500hp+ diesel trucks in the 10 sec range. EASILY smoking your pathetic civic. guess what, they are american too. Do the math stupid, the civic makes 15 horses per pound, the truck makes 20. I'm sorry I have to expose your lack of intellec, you are a tool.
So what, that means nothing. You can add headers(thats headers with an s because we have 2 heads on our cars), remap the ecu, add a better cam, port the heads(again with an s), put a stronger blower, add a shift kit, raise or lower the rear gear(like to see a FWD car do that), add nitrous, put larger exhaust, bore the block .30 over etc to a ZR1 and that 600+hp goes to close to 1000hp! And since the imports r restricted to a candyass 4L of displacement, they are already beat at the drawing board
Mind you that this is on a SBC(Thats Small Block Chevy), not a BBC(Big Block Chevy) I would really, and I mean really, feel sorry for your imports with such a beast mad at your imports. Its not unusual for a BBC to reach 1200 hp and 9L+ in displacement, but GM doesn't really need to sic the big dogs on your rice. I would like to see an import reach this kind of massive power with 2 ricer engines put together. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
what a joke....... the worlds fastest skyline GTR at the 1/4 mile is pulling 1700bhp from a twin turbo 6cyl 2.6 DOHC (thats D as in dual as in dual overhead cam as in 4 valve per cyl. as in ur shit OHV onli 2 valve per cyl) and has been pullin that power on the same engine reliably for 5 YEARS and theyve pushed it to 2100BHP but proved they dnt need that much. no american engine can hold that power for that long at its revs(11000+. OHV can onli go 9500 tops) because ur engines arent as strong
We don't need to hold that much power for that long, we will smoke you in half the time. If we needed 2100+ hp, we would get a General electric(american btw) jet powered car pushing 5000+ hp. Yeah we always win.
ur OHV are constintly being disadvantaged when it comes to top performance racing. that technolgy is too old and has been out-done.
honestly if japan designed motors that had displacement ranging from 6L up then u guys would be in the absolute shit for all racing. fuck even if som1 got their hands on a VK45DE(nissan JGTC v8 4.5L race bred motor) the output is 600BHP+ stock and its potencial obliterates ne domestic engine.
"ur OHV are constintly being disadvantaged when it comes to top performance racing. that technolgy is too old and has been out-done."
OHC is as old as OHV is, sir. In fact, it's about five years older.
"the output is 600BHP+ stock and its potencial obliterates ne domestic engine"
I think it's funny that V8 fans generally know a thing or two about foreign cars, but you import fanboys never know anything about American cars. 600 hp in a V8 would just be an Indy "street master" crate engine.
High displacement guarantees a broader torque curve with greater bottom end torque, a ceiling for higher horsepower, and greater long-term reliability due to low-rpm operation.
Small displacement engines have to rev to make horsepower, and it makes them highly strung and unreliable. Also: compare the fuel consumption of a boosted 4 and a mild V8 sometime: With similar gearing and vehicle weight, the V8's will be better.
Name one advantage to running high horsepower per liter. Just one.
ahhh pretty obvious. wieght?. ever heard of caterham super 7. low displacement dohc. can have a shit load of horse power but doesnt need it. as it already runs on a perfect power to wieght distrebution. nd gud bhp/L ratio.
"compare the fuel consumption of a boosted 4 and a mild V8 sometime: With similar gearing and vehicle weight, the V8's will be better."
well u have to think bout this if theyre both running a 2k RPM do u honestly think the V8 wud win? the turbo will onli kick at 3.5K+
Nice try, but displacement has no direct effect on weight. Displacement is not a measure of the engine's physical mass: That's a rookie mistake. Displacement is simply the measure of bore and stroke combination of all cylinders.
Pushrod V8s are very lightweight and compact engines....a Chevrolet LS7 may displace 7 liters, but it's small enough to fit practically anywhere and only weighs about 500 pounds, WITH the gearbox. Compare that to 735 pounds for an RB26DETT and 750 pounds for a 2JZ-GTE.
"Nice try, but displacement has no direct effect on weight"
wtf ur question was
"Name one advantage to running high horsepower per liter"
and the i was right. it is wieght nd size. plus more often the more displacment an engine has the more itll wiegh so when u compared a LS7 thin walled OHV aluminum NA block to an RB, JZ a DOHC cast iron TT motor. ur not even comparing apples nd oranges. ur comparing cows to airplanes with that. so nice comparison if u didnt fuck it up so bad
Wrong. Displacement is the measure of bore and stroke in all the engine's cylinders....it has NOTHING to do with the physical mass (ie, size and weight) of the engine.
"so when u compared a LS7 thin walled OHV aluminum NA block to an RB, JZ a DOHC cast iron TT motor."
It doesn't matter. It's still a larger displacement engine, and it's still lighter.
I've already addressed weight and size. You want something of similar material? A cast iron, 5.7 liter Chevrolet Gen 1 V8 is still just over 600 pounds....quite a bit more than 100 pounds lighter than an 2.6 liter RB26 or a 3.0 liter 2JZ.
This is exactly the benefit of a large displacement OHV engine: They're compact and lightweight, ensuring that displacement has no direct effect on size or weight. Period.
Now, how about the benefit to running small displacement?
that wieght i stated was the fully dressed engine wieght. u stated that the RB26 engine ITSELF is still heavier than the Ls7 with its tranny. infact if the RB26 motor wieghed ur misinformed "735lb" then it would be heavier than the Nisssan GTR(r35) VR38DETT which wieghs 608lbs. besides a 195lb gearbox sounds very heavy nd is more likely to be a pick up trucks tranny wieght. not in a high-performance sports car
Dressed engine weight includes the gearbox, fella. The 700+ lbs for the RB26 is the dressed engine weight. As in, WITH the gearbox.
The VR38 being lighter than the RB26 isn't surprising, considering the VR38 is a V6 and the RB26 is an I6. Inline engines in general aren't as space and weight efficient as their V-block counterparts.
And finally, 195 pounds is not an unreasonable weight for a gearbox at all.
stop tryin to turn this around cos u r wrong. "195 pounds is not an unreasonable weight" yes it is unreasonable unless its a truck. most go from 125lb down. name me a gearbox that wieghs more than 130lb thats in a CAR.
"The 700+ lbs for the RB26 is the dressed engine weight"
nope. the first time u stated this wieght u said it was only the motor when u compared it with the ls7 with its gearbox.
"the first time u stated this wieght u said it was only the motor when u compared it with the ls7 with its gearbox."
Point out which post where I said the 700+ lb RB26 was "only the engine."
This fucking argument is pointless anyway, because you've still proven my point: Even if your contention that the RB26 is 540 lbs. (I'm assuming you mean just the engine) is correct, it's still heavier than the LS7 + the gearbox. It still proves that displacement is not directly proportional to mass.
"Pushrod V8s are very lightweight and compact engines....a Chevrolet LS7 may displace 7 liters, but it's small enough to fit practically anywhere and only weighs about 500 pounds, WITH the gearbox. Compare that to 735 pounds for an RB26DETT and 750 pounds for a 2JZ-GTE."
now u specifically stated "500 pounds, WITH the gearbox" now ur saying that wen u say the engines wieght u mean wit the gearbox aswell. if so y did u have to point it out like "WITH the gearbox"?
Read the comment again, genius. I pointed the weight of the LS7 with the gearbox, and then said "compare that to, etc." Why the fuck would I be comparing the weight with the gearbox to the other two engines without the gearbox?
It's pretty damn obvious to anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension that I was comparing the dressed engine weights of all three engines....meaning WITH the damn gearbox.
Why the fuck would u be comparing the weight with the gearbox to the other two engines without the gearbox? did u ask?
well its cos ur an idiot who didnt look up the actual wieght in the first place and assumed that the engine would wiegh 200lbs more than the wieght of the LS7 with its gearbox.
"It's pretty damn obvious.......ect" look if it was obvious then we would be having no prolems here. if u actually wrote down with the gearbox with the RB then u wudnt have been caught out
...................so wheres ur rebutle on my statement of the wieght? oh thats right u dont have 1 cos i am right sorry. basically u jst told me to do something u should have done urself.
"I actually assumed for a moment you might be intelligent enough to understand the concept of colloquial speech"
......R u serious? i thought by the way im writting u wud have assumed im the king of slanging off in my speech. but even then ur statement wudnt have meant wat u "thought" it to mean
"The VR38 being lighter than the RB26 isn't surprising"
"Inline engines in general aren't as space and weight efficient as their V-block counterparts."
WTF is wrong with u? if V motors were more space and wieght effcient then L config. then y dont u see transverse mounted V blocks. there may be 1 or 2 but generally there isnt enough space to hold a V block transversally as oposessed to L blocks where there is still enough room for mods. that is the same for longictudically mounted blocks
Engines are generally mounted transversely in FWD cars. Most transverse mounted engines are inlines because most FWD cars are 4 cylinders. Look around for FWD V6s and V8s, and you'll notice they're usually transverse.
Inline engines (especially I6s) are not space efficient when mounted longitudinally, since they're very narrow but also very long. This leaves unused space at the sides of the engine, and necessitates making the front of the car long enough for the length of the engine.
As the owner of a Skyline GT-R, I am happy to say that you are wrong. There is one hell of a good reason why the RB26DETT is heavier then the VR38DETT, and that's it's block, which is cast iron, compared to the block of the VR38DETT being cast aluminum. If you don't know the difference in weight between iron and aluminum, you have no argument. My engines block weighs (feels like) almost as much as the car itself.
since when have u cared bout the materials involved with the engine? when u were saying bout how the RB26 was heavier than the LS7 nd then i brought in the fact that the RB26 was a cast iron block nd the LS7 was aluminum with thin walls. u said that doesnt matter
When proving to you that displacement is not proportional to engine mass, I pointed out that a GM LS7 is lighter than two smaller displacement inline sixes. When you cried that the LS7 is aluminum and the other two engines aren't, I replied that it doesn't matter (as in, that's no excuse), because it still proves that "high displacement" doesn't equal "heavy."
"When proving to you that displacement is not proportional to engine mass"
lol ok if theyre not proportional to eachother tell me how u can beef up a CA18E 1.8L 4 cyl. to a 8L without increasing wieght nd size?.. exactly it cant be done without having a bigger block to start on
"how u can beef up a CA18E 1.8L 4 cyl. to a 8L without increasing wieght nd size?"
Again, straw man denied. Apart from your extreme displacement difference as examples, you're taking alternative cylinder arrangements out of the equation. An 8 liter 4 cylinder would likely, of course, be gigantic. But by using a V-block arrangement (say, a V8) with a cam-in-block valvetrain, you could achieve 8 liters (or more) and keep the engine very physically compact and yes, LIGHT.
but still i could just do the same for the V8. how could u beef up an LS1 6L up to 13L without increasing size?.
i dont get how u can say my awnsers are wrong with this, because more displacement does most often equal larger size and wieght. and u did agree with me on that with beefing up a 1.8L to a 8L did u not?
"8 liter 4 cylinder would likely, of course, be gigantic"
"more displacement does most often equal larger size and wieght."
Then how is a VR38DETT both larger AND heavier than an LS1, despite smaller displacement?
You're trying another straw man, which is pathetic: Never once did I say large displacement GUARANTEED smaller mass, I said the two DON'T GO HAND-IN-HAND. Therefore, "lighter weight" is not a guaranteed benefit to smaller displacement.
Your examples are only hypothetical, anyway: It's impossible to "beef" a 1.8L up to 8L.
EXACTLY. This is the benefit to the high displacment, pushrod engine. It's both compact and lightweight, yet yields very high displacement.
Earlier you quote 608lbs for the (aluminum) VR38, which from your phrasing, I assume is without the gearbox. If that's correct, a (cast iron) 5.7 liter Chevrolet L98 small block weighs right at 600lbs (also with no gearbox).
Watch what you say. In one of my other videos is me drifting my car. You're damn right I own toy models, I'm an enthusiast, and I collect them to someday give to my children.
obviously a block with 1 camshaft and is fully aluminum is going to be liter than an engine with 2 camshafts and a 3/4 cast iron block and a twin turbo setup.
Oh yeah, make a hard left or right after the fence! Flip the car, that's it!
Sugarpie192 2 months ago
Evo goes off course? What have YOU been smokin'? They went straight and that is off course? Idiot
Sugarpie192 2 months ago
That was a pretty rough crash :(
Speed should've at least given him $15k for the car crash...
SCHIZOPHRENlC 5 months ago
imo a dropped evo = not rally ready.
heymikedude1 5 months ago
What kind of loser drives straight threw a chain link fence! Did not even bother to turn the wheel or hit the brakes until it what way to late!
zLOSTNOMOREz 6 months ago
pshh just a scratch...
akelodmc 1 year ago
First off, dont let someone who cant drive use your car
acenace24 1 year ago
those guys were douches
FreakyKing2 1 year ago 4
i watched this when it happened the guy driving the car wasn't the owner lol
and someone told them which way to go to avoid the concrete block they just didn't do it
RSXKane 1 year ago
fkd up a nice fucking evo ..4 the sake of a stupid show!!
mybeatmhz 1 year ago
why wud u put a concret block there.............ever heard of tires or..nothing.
slurpy911 1 year ago
Damn that freakin sucks....
it was a nice ride... was....
Supervisor69 1 year ago
So did they get the top time by killing the car?
drukenhard 1 year ago
he went off road that's what happen
Batmanbeyon 1 year ago
Just because you have a Evo Doesn't Mean you have a Full Fledged Rally Car.
Zhu8 1 year ago
Almost all of those challenges are so harsh on the cars, never would bring my car on that show, they all happen in dirt, soo many chips
way2fasts 1 year ago
@way2fasts The Prize is worth $200000
Zhu8 1 year ago
why did they hug haha..gay dummies.
the new bull run sucks, the old one's were good where it was actually a rally now it's a survivor in cars.
btw team polizei were FAGS
pureplayaa 1 year ago
@pureplayaa which season had polizei?
ting280 1 year ago
@ting280
it was a team called polizei and it was every season that goldberg wasn't involved in. The TRUE bullruns.
pureplayaa 1 year ago
@pureplayaa i know about the team and alex roy but i've only seen a few eps of season 2, i thought they mighta been in season 3 or something?
ting280 1 year ago
Even if they won that challenge that car would not be repaired in time. Even the Dart fliped over after the challenge and I'm surprised they didn't film it or it was too graphic to show the film which might be why they showd snap shots of the car rolling.
mysticanimation22 1 year ago
I cried when this happened! Hopefully in the near future another team evo will be in bullrun
Y2KxBuG 1 year ago
dude people chill out! this had nothing to do with wether the road was bumpy or not the drivers plan was to run all out at the end and run straight through the finish to get a better time by not slowing to turn... so they went straight off the road instead of following the road adn they hit a concreat block... there own fucking fault, and its the drivers that bring there cars out knowing that they will be likely to be in challenges that could possibly damage the car... its BULLRUN suck it UP
CrazyDave650 1 year ago
should have had an STI!!!!
xYOURxNOTxALONEx 2 years ago
no they should have fallowed the fucking corse they went straight to go faster at the end and purpously went straight instead of turning ... fucking stupid drivers
CrazyDave650 1 year ago
watch?v=DpL5Xw6ZP88
BullrunREALITY 2 years ago
Very expensive car how has a salvage title. So sad.
AceCampano 2 years ago
yes, very sad. But one day Goldberg et al will get their commupance, I'm sure.
Sugarpie192 1 year ago
sugarpie.. Your dumber, The EVO is using lower suspension, These kind of shocks isn't for OFFROAD!!! You don't know much about mechanic of the cars. You only know how to do is cleaning and cook at home.
pornstar113 2 years ago
watch?v=cXan9tTClBg
BullrunTeamEvo 2 years ago
Then why did bullrun producers ALLOW them to do the stunt?
Sugarpie192 2 years ago
I don't know why they would allow that car to participation the contest.. I m sure the owner of EVO is crying. they d lost more than 50k on that car.
pornstar113 2 years ago
My theory is that either they were incompetent and unqualified to supervise the stunt or they did it deliberately. I pick the latter considering that Goldberg is on tape saying as much.
Sugarpie192 2 years ago
Still, The owner of Lancer have should know the ground is bumpy which its mismatch to their suspension. That still "stupid move ever I have seen"
I have 99 Civic which its lowering, I would NOT drive on gravel/off road more than 30 KM/H.. It will lose yo control If its too bumpy. I will still NOT drive through it.
pornstar113 2 years ago
Yes, see, there's the rub. He says he didn't know it was bumpy and that they did not tell him. He says he wasn't allowed to inspect the course. If you look at the video, it looks flat to me too. It had some weeds but I think any car could run over some weeds without damage.
Sugarpie192 2 years ago
@pornstar113 a lancer is a rally car.... dumb ricer...
jsacustoms 1 year ago
Yes the evo is a rally car or a street car, THIS CAR IS MADE FOR STREET!! And you r a racism.. Shame on you.
JinxOn2 1 year ago
@jsacustoms The Lancer Evolution Rally Car is a Rally Car, the Lancer Evolution is a Street car, lets see you take a bone stock Evo and run it in a rally special Stage.
Zhu8 1 year ago
Its a double standard that bullrun would allow other copyrighted material that shows them in a positive light on youtube but they hide behind copyright by forcing you tube to pull the video team evo posted blowing the whistle on the knuckledragging mouthbreathing bullrun producers and host.
Sugarpie192 2 years ago
Goldberg should be behind bars
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pornstar113 2 years ago
DICKHEAD!!! Too lowering to drive on the gravel, DICKHEAD!!
pornstar113 2 years ago
You're the vampire squid dickhead. Did you expect them to make a hard left at high speed. DICKHEAD!
Sugarpie192 2 years ago
One less piece of shit on the road.
xZZxTakedown 2 years ago
hahaha those guys were posers anyway, even the blonde guy he was a walking fish
QTeddy7 2 years ago
a wrx sti wouldnt have wrecked =)
ZGILBERT93 2 years ago
lol
NIGBEATS 2 years ago
Man I love the evo but those guys were dicks
streetkid08 2 years ago
That sucks Theres no way Insurance would have covered that especially being on tv
judgementdey 2 years ago
thank god evo went home that time...
pman562 2 years ago
when will it be back on again ?
chaseman94 2 years ago
if you mean the show, this particular one wont be back on for a while. but Season 3 starts on February 12
JonD91 2 years ago
thanks. i wish it was on now.
chaseman94 2 years ago
lol lol lol..i love evos but hard luck dude...
java360 2 years ago
seeing evo's smashed in
DwansAve 2 years ago
evo was a bitch
bluethunderfan4588 2 years ago
Where's the link to that
Crazzy4Macs 2 years ago
That's what I thought but the brake caliper and disk look fine
Crazzy4Macs 2 years ago
yeah, Im sure the brake system is fine. I saw on a forum the guy is finally deciding to rebuild this car, he has a list of needed parts
JonD91 2 years ago
Do you think that front rim survived because it kind of looks like it
Crazzy4Macs 2 years ago
there could be a kink in the inner part of the rim where you cant see
JonD91 2 years ago
I actually enjoyed watching that. Douche with an evo equals FAIL
levirolla 2 years ago
lol, wow, not sure why this evo was so damn f low ...
DS1221 2 years ago
it was modded, so they probably dropped it an inch or two.
JonD91 2 years ago
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DS1221 2 years ago
yep, sure things was, but why would you lower the car like that for damn tarmac.
DS1221 2 years ago
I dont think they built it for that, I believe it was built to be a street car and then the Bullrun challenges took place on gravel
JonD91 2 years ago
i hope the show did put in the contract that theyre not liable for any injuries or deaths or personal dammage, and thete not responsible if you get tickets or arested
showetime 2 years ago
Check Out My Video Of A Evo's Engine Blowing Out At A Track Day "JapFest 2009 Evo 8 Crashes Out " ( Feel Free To Comment And Rate ) =D
BoredThatsYImOnThis 2 years ago
The show was wrong by not showing the line to the participants after the finish. The show dropped the ball on this one and has to be liable for the damages this has caused.
rabyrab 2 years ago
Pretty obvious.... should I go on the dirt road, or should I point and aim into the bushes LOL
pw383426 2 years ago
How do you crash an evo? I thought it was impossible.. and on its own turf? wow.... With a good driver I think the evo could have taken all of the win's judged on the courses they battled on.
youngonesunique 2 years ago
This was the shittiest Evo driver of all time. A muscle car did a better time then him. This guy was a complete fucking joke and it sickens me. He was fucking pathetic. Look @ how slow he was fucking driving. This guy was a fucking joke.
BaddieAss 2 years ago
evo is shit
graffiti00313 2 years ago
The woman that gave you birth is shit.
BaddieAss 2 years ago
JILIPOYAS joder un evo asi!!! fuck your mother
ladillaking 2 years ago
WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! run INTO that barrier!! damn...too bad brembos dont work in midair....
whitelshatch 2 years ago 5
only reason why IT did crash becuse Brembos DON"T work in the air XD
Z3R0OneOneSe7en 2 years ago
LMAO exactly
LITTILDUFFLEBAGBOY 2 years ago
but I thought the button for the air brakes was next to the gravel button?
JonD91 2 years ago
no last i check that was the eject button...or was it the turbo boost i don't remember :P
Z3R0OneOneSe7en 2 years ago
i was so happy when that car went down!
2jzs10 2 years ago
ha fagz
lynette1953 2 years ago
Evo Dead! enough said.
KoffinCreep 2 years ago
It sucks to see a good evo killed (and I'm an STi fan) but they were such pricks they deserved it. Wonder whatever happened to the dude driving, I bet the owner (the co-pilot) murdered him or something.
inudude15 2 years ago
i never liked thoose guys...
team corvette is way better
DeanLyman 2 years ago
Im humored by all the misinformation being spread about the avalanche here...
first off LS1 was not a 6.0L its 5.7L and wasnt offered in an Avalanche or any truck for that matter (non z06 corvette and F-body camaros only)
Second the only engines offered for the style avalanche seen in bullrun would be the LY5 (5.3L) or the L76 (6.0L) both are CAST IRON blocks
That being said the EVO is plastic clad POS that was brought to a gunfight notice how the DART wrecked but kept going, what a joke
dubbyad 2 years ago
notice how the dart only rolled and the evo smashed into a concrete block at 40 mph. straight line, dart, vette, mustang, they'll win. go around a track though and the evo will tear 'em up. all wheel drive and a WAY smaller turning radius
jfrizzlerizzle 2 years ago
Yo I'm all for the imports...please my aim is importtemptress, give a GIRL like me the keys to that evo an yeah it'd be in the qualifying 3 for next Thursday!!
Stormy3000GT 2 years ago
Every driver i have seen on bullrun sucks asshole. these are all rich pretty boyyuppies that can't drive for shit!! only reason i watch the show is to watch how poorly they try to maneuver bad ass cars. SAD.
anythingoriginal 2 years ago 2
screw you!! team avalanche gotz skillz that killz
1964corvan 2 years ago
There is no way in hell they won against the Evo. Looks like the Evo walked, pissed off the producers and so the producers manipulated the numbers. The producers are the judge, jury and executioner...I don't believe the outcome as they edited it one bit...The Evo is a dirt machine and those guys drove the crap out of it. They got air coming out of that gate which means they were flying -- literally.
mulhollanddose 2 years ago
No...They just went out of the gate at the wrong angle, and hit a jump.
Those Avalanche guys could drive, and don't pretend they couldn't.
NakedBrunch93 2 years ago
No, the Avalanche guys got owned by the Evo. The Bullrun producers fixed the race.
mulhollanddose 2 years ago
hows it going Jason?
JonD91 2 years ago
Look at Corvette or 69' Camaro, or the Shelby. They all know how to drive.
inudude15 2 years ago
That vette isn't hard to drive its an auto. Just about anybody could drive that car.
Trox3985 2 years ago
@inudude15 sorry can't agree. every person i have seen on every episode of bullrun has a bunch of money, and could not win a race to save their life. Didn't even finish watching the last season. that show was just a huge waste of time and money.
anythingoriginal 1 year ago
@anythingoriginal Not really. Look at season one. Team Honda's Civic was ghetto fabulous and he was a good driver. Team Hummer from season 3 stood up to and beat a Hennessey Viper, with more than 3 times the power than it had. Team BMW did great and they were supposedly unemployed. Add to them Team Lexus SC300, and Team Camaro. Both cars were probably pricey from their mods, but both were handmade monsters. Just the sound of both was great, and that's coming through TV speakers.
inudude15 1 year ago
The Evo didn't go off course. The course stopped at the fence. WTF were those concrete barriers doing after the finish line?
mulhollanddose 2 years ago
fucking production on this show sets shit up for the contestents to wreck their cars. goldbergs a dick head
chasesniper81 2 years ago
and yes u do. u need big engines and we use turbos on smaller engines so its all good
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
That may be true sir, but imagine what kind of power you could make if you put the same turbo on a big engine. That would equal massize power.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago 3
2003 Evo VIII with a 2.4L stroker & 63mm turbo VS. a 2003 Paxton supercharged Viper SRT-10
mmmmm just go check out that vid thats nice. thats all i got to say, i promise you'll be okay
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
Man, that must have took you all day and night to find a vid where rice beats muscle. FYI, I couldn't give more of a damn about dodge than I do with imports. We all know chevy is King of the muscle cars. I'm sorry you people have to go lower in the foodchain for a win. For the record, motortrend named the ZR1 CAR OF THE YEAR, yeah, not a tt rice burning pizza delivery boy car. There is a reason why things are made better in america.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
wow u really want to say that about the car that has the record and just killed the zr1 when they had no practice on the track n just ran it and killed the zr1 by pretty much alot? okay man u keep thinking that corvettes are better than viper. now i know when respect is due but when u say that forgien cars suck im sorry dude but ur wrong.
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
"killed" the ZR1? you have NO FUCKING EVIDENCE AT FUCKING ALL!!! NONE!!! I have personally seen every possible ZR1 vid and not in 1 did I see the ZR1 get beat. These vids are from respectible and reputable places (emunds, motortrend) not places that would lie like some vids made by ricer lovers like yourself. And I give dodge 10X more respect than I give your 1000 sticker covered rice boy cars. You have to earn respect and imports haven't. BTW you need to pick a side and stop being a sellout
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
rice burner - a rice burner is an import with many stickers that say it is fast but really isn't, 1/2 inch exhaust leading into a 6in folgers coffee can muffler, a huge rear wing that at 300 mph could take off the ground, the wheels and rims cost more than the car. driver thinks he is the shit of the world. the engine mods include colorful wiring and other crap but the engine is still stock, and they talk shit saying that they beat all kinds of vettes when they don't and don't give up.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
i find tht import tuner owners are really fuking coky bout their cars and muscle car owners are smart ass but they let the car do the talking, yet i have come to a conclusion tht u have to make a battle to win a battle and im sorry guys but just leave it at this.. i mean sure evo crashed their car but so did team dart and every car has its equal match, and sure ZR1 is fuking awsome but GTR is funking awsome as well so we really have to keep in perspective that we all have our own oppinions.
turkcobra101 2 years ago
Massive power is not always a good thing. Put a dragster on a track with turns and see what happens. Power is great if you like going straight but there is a such thing as too much. Also depends on the type of track.
Trox3985 2 years ago
they were fags anyway, im glad he wrecked
vanquishman 2 years ago
Personally Im an import guy, but Ive got respect for American cars as well. Some.
JonD91 2 years ago
its okay american cars suck youll be okay i promise.
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
its funny that your name is josecrosscountry, because thats exactly how far you will be walking when your go-cart shoebox on wheels import breaks when trying to race a muscle car. Happens all the time and you'll be okay I promise.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
dude american cars suck they need big ass engines to make power so stfu
i promise youll be okay
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
You want to play that way, fine.
Dude imports suck because they need big ass turbos to keep up with the dodge minivans. Watch out for those soccer vans, they just might smoke you ricer lover!!! I promise you can read the bumper stickers on the back of the van when it smokes you and you'll be okay. i promise.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
wow r u kidding me? have u ever heard of the evo/sti they kill all in their price pretty much things that cost more and u wanna compare a "ricer" to a muscle car? what about the zr1 vs the gtr? the gtr cost like 30-40g less than the zr1 has less power and still almost beat it the zr1 sucks ass and almost got beat by a "ricer" and wow if them soccer van "smokes" ricers then them soccer van would murder ur piece of shit muscle cars. oh and i promise you'll be okay that u got beat by a "ricer"
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
When you say have i heard an evo/sti, I am thinking you mean the buzzing of a fart can, the cardboard bodykit, and seeing of the shopping cart spoiler. in that case, yes i have. Annoying I might add. Have you not seen all the posts on why the gtr is a candyass car, if not, there is NO evidence here on youtube that the gtr can compete with the ZR1, NONE. The ZR1 is king of the castle, I promise its hard you you to admit. But I am glad you admit your ricers will get beat by dodge minivans.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
its okay guys they might have the zr1 but that company will die out soon enough and while gtr will live so who really wins in the end. hahah american cars suck! thats why they need help from us tax payers.
josecrosscountry 2 years ago
American cars don't suck, the management for the american manufactures suck. just because the management sucks, doesn't mean the engineering sucks. Edmunds even called the gtr "Playstation on wheels", meaning the car was a joke with all the electronics everywhere.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
playstation on wheels does not translate into a joke.
it means it takes all the realism off physics nd drivin considering the cars statistics. QED it felt unreal
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
I'm pretty sure there is a small amount lost in translation. playstation on wheels doesn't translate into a joke. GTR VS ZR1 drag race translates into a joke. more like a lopsided win in the favor of the vette ofcoarse.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
oh really? because im pretty sure it only managed to beat it by 0.28 sec on the 1/4 mile. A fucking 640bhp 1.2 tonn "supercar" beat a 480bhp 1.7 tonn sportscar by 0.28 sec? because of that the ZR1 was a joke in that drag. and i doubt an average joe could pull anywhere close to 11.3 in a ZR1 because its a RACE CAR for RACE DRIVERS.
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Since you obviously know nothing about horsepower and what it takes to achieve it, let me explain. .28 sec IS A HUGE FUCKING TIME TO GET BEAT BY!!! THATS DAMN NEAR 3 TENTHS OF A SECOND!!. And this is the best that japan has? lol Btw who gives a damn about weight. its about output. I have NEVER seen a ricer pull 640 hp stock, because its IMPOSSIBLE to blow that much air into a lawn mower engine. Anyway, the only reason why imports r fast is cuz a strong human can lift one, just ask john pope.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
".28 sec IS A HUGE FUCKING TIME TO GET BEAT BY"
thats onli true when the cars are around the same ouputs and dimensions.
"Btw who gives a damn about weight. its about output."
lol thats the most retarded thing ever. if u had a 5 tonn truck with 500bhp and a 1.3 tonn 170bhp civic on the strip/track the civic will win every time no matter how u look at it.
"I have NEVER seen a ricer pull 640 hp stock"
no shit. thats because they keep their displacments under 4L
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Its not my fault the sheer brute power of the vette can't be matchedvs the power of a turbo. No replacement for displacement son. You are full of ricer BS, the 500 hp truck will crush the civic. I've seen 5 ton(thats 1 n you illiteret jackass) 500hp+ diesel trucks in the 10 sec range. EASILY smoking your pathetic civic. guess what, they are american too. Do the math stupid, the civic makes 15 horses per pound, the truck makes 20. I'm sorry I have to expose your lack of intellec, you are a tool.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
plus u can remmap a GTRs ECU to pull 600bhp. same goes for allot of turbo imports.
id like to see an american car with a 4L nd under displacment to match ne imports
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
So what, that means nothing. You can add headers(thats headers with an s because we have 2 heads on our cars), remap the ecu, add a better cam, port the heads(again with an s), put a stronger blower, add a shift kit, raise or lower the rear gear(like to see a FWD car do that), add nitrous, put larger exhaust, bore the block .30 over etc to a ZR1 and that 600+hp goes to close to 1000hp! And since the imports r restricted to a candyass 4L of displacement, they are already beat at the drawing board
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
Mind you that this is on a SBC(Thats Small Block Chevy), not a BBC(Big Block Chevy) I would really, and I mean really, feel sorry for your imports with such a beast mad at your imports. Its not unusual for a BBC to reach 1200 hp and 9L+ in displacement, but GM doesn't really need to sic the big dogs on your rice. I would like to see an import reach this kind of massive power with 2 ricer engines put together. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
what a joke....... the worlds fastest skyline GTR at the 1/4 mile is pulling 1700bhp from a twin turbo 6cyl 2.6 DOHC (thats D as in dual as in dual overhead cam as in 4 valve per cyl. as in ur shit OHV onli 2 valve per cyl) and has been pullin that power on the same engine reliably for 5 YEARS and theyve pushed it to 2100BHP but proved they dnt need that much. no american engine can hold that power for that long at its revs(11000+. OHV can onli go 9500 tops) because ur engines arent as strong
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
We don't need to hold that much power for that long, we will smoke you in half the time. If we needed 2100+ hp, we would get a General electric(american btw) jet powered car pushing 5000+ hp. Yeah we always win.
Youngbuck69215 2 years ago
ur OHV are constintly being disadvantaged when it comes to top performance racing. that technolgy is too old and has been out-done.
honestly if japan designed motors that had displacement ranging from 6L up then u guys would be in the absolute shit for all racing. fuck even if som1 got their hands on a VK45DE(nissan JGTC v8 4.5L race bred motor) the output is 600BHP+ stock and its potencial obliterates ne domestic engine.
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"ur OHV are constintly being disadvantaged when it comes to top performance racing. that technolgy is too old and has been out-done."
OHC is as old as OHV is, sir. In fact, it's about five years older.
"the output is 600BHP+ stock and its potencial obliterates ne domestic engine"
I think it's funny that V8 fans generally know a thing or two about foreign cars, but you import fanboys never know anything about American cars. 600 hp in a V8 would just be an Indy "street master" crate engine.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
"600 hp in a V8 would just be an Indy "street master" crate engine."
what u meant was "600 hp in a 7L V8 would.....blah blah"
if pushrod motors didnt have such large displacements they would be going no where in motorsport.
"OHC is as old as OHV is, sir. In fact, it's about five years older."
SOHC is as old as OHV. DOHC didnt come out until a further few more years...
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
High displacement guarantees a broader torque curve with greater bottom end torque, a ceiling for higher horsepower, and greater long-term reliability due to low-rpm operation.
Small displacement engines have to rev to make horsepower, and it makes them highly strung and unreliable. Also: compare the fuel consumption of a boosted 4 and a mild V8 sometime: With similar gearing and vehicle weight, the V8's will be better.
Name one advantage to running high horsepower per liter. Just one.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
ahhh pretty obvious. wieght?. ever heard of caterham super 7. low displacement dohc. can have a shit load of horse power but doesnt need it. as it already runs on a perfect power to wieght distrebution. nd gud bhp/L ratio.
"compare the fuel consumption of a boosted 4 and a mild V8 sometime: With similar gearing and vehicle weight, the V8's will be better."
well u have to think bout this if theyre both running a 2k RPM do u honestly think the V8 wud win? the turbo will onli kick at 3.5K+
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Nice try, but displacement has no direct effect on weight. Displacement is not a measure of the engine's physical mass: That's a rookie mistake. Displacement is simply the measure of bore and stroke combination of all cylinders.
Pushrod V8s are very lightweight and compact engines....a Chevrolet LS7 may displace 7 liters, but it's small enough to fit practically anywhere and only weighs about 500 pounds, WITH the gearbox. Compare that to 735 pounds for an RB26DETT and 750 pounds for a 2JZ-GTE.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
"Nice try, but displacement has no direct effect on weight"
wtf ur question was
"Name one advantage to running high horsepower per liter"
and the i was right. it is wieght nd size. plus more often the more displacment an engine has the more itll wiegh so when u compared a LS7 thin walled OHV aluminum NA block to an RB, JZ a DOHC cast iron TT motor. ur not even comparing apples nd oranges. ur comparing cows to airplanes with that. so nice comparison if u didnt fuck it up so bad
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"and the i was right. it is wieght nd size."
Wrong. Displacement is the measure of bore and stroke in all the engine's cylinders....it has NOTHING to do with the physical mass (ie, size and weight) of the engine.
"so when u compared a LS7 thin walled OHV aluminum NA block to an RB, JZ a DOHC cast iron TT motor."
It doesn't matter. It's still a larger displacement engine, and it's still lighter.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
u idiot look at the question u asked me. ill write it up a 2nd time
"Name one advantage to running high horsepower per liter. Just one."
and 1 is because of less wieght and size
"It doesn't matter. It's still a larger displacement engine, and it's still lighter."
ur a fuck wit if u think like that. the materials and valve methods play a huge part in its wieght so saying "it doesnt matter" is stupid.
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
I've already addressed weight and size. You want something of similar material? A cast iron, 5.7 liter Chevrolet Gen 1 V8 is still just over 600 pounds....quite a bit more than 100 pounds lighter than an 2.6 liter RB26 or a 3.0 liter 2JZ.
This is exactly the benefit of a large displacement OHV engine: They're compact and lightweight, ensuring that displacement has no direct effect on size or weight. Period.
Now, how about the benefit to running small displacement?
RadialSkid 2 years ago
ummmmmm..... no. RB26DETT WIEGHS AROUND 250KGS(540LB) SO where ur getting ur facts on RB nd JZ series motors wieght is wrong
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
These weights I'm naming are fully dressed engine weights, with the gearbox attached. Make sure yours are the same.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
that wieght i stated was the fully dressed engine wieght. u stated that the RB26 engine ITSELF is still heavier than the Ls7 with its tranny. infact if the RB26 motor wieghed ur misinformed "735lb" then it would be heavier than the Nisssan GTR(r35) VR38DETT which wieghs 608lbs. besides a 195lb gearbox sounds very heavy nd is more likely to be a pick up trucks tranny wieght. not in a high-performance sports car
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Dressed engine weight includes the gearbox, fella. The 700+ lbs for the RB26 is the dressed engine weight. As in, WITH the gearbox.
The VR38 being lighter than the RB26 isn't surprising, considering the VR38 is a V6 and the RB26 is an I6. Inline engines in general aren't as space and weight efficient as their V-block counterparts.
And finally, 195 pounds is not an unreasonable weight for a gearbox at all.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
stop tryin to turn this around cos u r wrong. "195 pounds is not an unreasonable weight" yes it is unreasonable unless its a truck. most go from 125lb down. name me a gearbox that wieghs more than 130lb thats in a CAR.
"The 700+ lbs for the RB26 is the dressed engine weight"
nope. the first time u stated this wieght u said it was only the motor when u compared it with the ls7 with its gearbox.
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"the first time u stated this wieght u said it was only the motor when u compared it with the ls7 with its gearbox."
Point out which post where I said the 700+ lb RB26 was "only the engine."
This fucking argument is pointless anyway, because you've still proven my point: Even if your contention that the RB26 is 540 lbs. (I'm assuming you mean just the engine) is correct, it's still heavier than the LS7 + the gearbox. It still proves that displacement is not directly proportional to mass.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
here it is
"Pushrod V8s are very lightweight and compact engines....a Chevrolet LS7 may displace 7 liters, but it's small enough to fit practically anywhere and only weighs about 500 pounds, WITH the gearbox. Compare that to 735 pounds for an RB26DETT and 750 pounds for a 2JZ-GTE."
now u specifically stated "500 pounds, WITH the gearbox" now ur saying that wen u say the engines wieght u mean wit the gearbox aswell. if so y did u have to point it out like "WITH the gearbox"?
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Read the comment again, genius. I pointed the weight of the LS7 with the gearbox, and then said "compare that to, etc." Why the fuck would I be comparing the weight with the gearbox to the other two engines without the gearbox?
It's pretty damn obvious to anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension that I was comparing the dressed engine weights of all three engines....meaning WITH the damn gearbox.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
Why the fuck would u be comparing the weight with the gearbox to the other two engines without the gearbox? did u ask?
well its cos ur an idiot who didnt look up the actual wieght in the first place and assumed that the engine would wiegh 200lbs more than the wieght of the LS7 with its gearbox.
"It's pretty damn obvious.......ect" look if it was obvious then we would be having no prolems here. if u actually wrote down with the gearbox with the RB then u wudnt have been caught out
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"well its cos ur an idiot who didnt look up the actual wieght in the first place"
I'm looking at the fucking weights right now, moron. Google is your friend....USE IT.
"if u actually wrote down with the gearbox with the RB then u wudnt have been caught out."
Pardon me, I actually assumed for a moment you might be intelligent enough to understand the concept of colloquial speech. Apparently I was wrong.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
...................so wheres ur rebutle on my statement of the wieght? oh thats right u dont have 1 cos i am right sorry. basically u jst told me to do something u should have done urself.
"I actually assumed for a moment you might be intelligent enough to understand the concept of colloquial speech"
......R u serious? i thought by the way im writting u wud have assumed im the king of slanging off in my speech. but even then ur statement wudnt have meant wat u "thought" it to mean
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"so wheres ur rebutle on my statement of the wieght?"
Every damn post I've made in this thread is my rebuttal. But since you need your homework done for you:
1. Go to Google
2. Enter "RB26DETT dressed engine weight."
3. Alternatively, enter "RB26DETT weight with gearbox." They mean the same thing.
4. Find results.
I would link you straight to it, but YouTube videos don't allow URLs.
Now, once again: How about telling me the advantage to making a lot of horsepower out of small displacement?
RadialSkid 2 years ago
"The VR38 being lighter than the RB26 isn't surprising"
"Inline engines in general aren't as space and weight efficient as their V-block counterparts."
WTF is wrong with u? if V motors were more space and wieght effcient then L config. then y dont u see transverse mounted V blocks. there may be 1 or 2 but generally there isnt enough space to hold a V block transversally as oposessed to L blocks where there is still enough room for mods. that is the same for longictudically mounted blocks
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Engines are generally mounted transversely in FWD cars. Most transverse mounted engines are inlines because most FWD cars are 4 cylinders. Look around for FWD V6s and V8s, and you'll notice they're usually transverse.
Inline engines (especially I6s) are not space efficient when mounted longitudinally, since they're very narrow but also very long. This leaves unused space at the sides of the engine, and necessitates making the front of the car long enough for the length of the engine.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
As the owner of a Skyline GT-R, I am happy to say that you are wrong. There is one hell of a good reason why the RB26DETT is heavier then the VR38DETT, and that's it's block, which is cast iron, compared to the block of the VR38DETT being cast aluminum. If you don't know the difference in weight between iron and aluminum, you have no argument. My engines block weighs (feels like) almost as much as the car itself.
JDMAero 2 years ago
Yes, the difference in materials between the two also contributes to the weight difference.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
since when have u cared bout the materials involved with the engine? when u were saying bout how the RB26 was heavier than the LS7 nd then i brought in the fact that the RB26 was a cast iron block nd the LS7 was aluminum with thin walls. u said that doesnt matter
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"u said that doesnt matter"
Straw man denied.
When proving to you that displacement is not proportional to engine mass, I pointed out that a GM LS7 is lighter than two smaller displacement inline sixes. When you cried that the LS7 is aluminum and the other two engines aren't, I replied that it doesn't matter (as in, that's no excuse), because it still proves that "high displacement" doesn't equal "heavy."
RadialSkid 2 years ago
"When proving to you that displacement is not proportional to engine mass"
lol ok if theyre not proportional to eachother tell me how u can beef up a CA18E 1.8L 4 cyl. to a 8L without increasing wieght nd size?.. exactly it cant be done without having a bigger block to start on
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"how u can beef up a CA18E 1.8L 4 cyl. to a 8L without increasing wieght nd size?"
Again, straw man denied. Apart from your extreme displacement difference as examples, you're taking alternative cylinder arrangements out of the equation. An 8 liter 4 cylinder would likely, of course, be gigantic. But by using a V-block arrangement (say, a V8) with a cam-in-block valvetrain, you could achieve 8 liters (or more) and keep the engine very physically compact and yes, LIGHT.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
but still i could just do the same for the V8. how could u beef up an LS1 6L up to 13L without increasing size?.
i dont get how u can say my awnsers are wrong with this, because more displacement does most often equal larger size and wieght. and u did agree with me on that with beefing up a 1.8L to a 8L did u not?
"8 liter 4 cylinder would likely, of course, be gigantic"
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"more displacement does most often equal larger size and wieght."
Then how is a VR38DETT both larger AND heavier than an LS1, despite smaller displacement?
You're trying another straw man, which is pathetic: Never once did I say large displacement GUARANTEED smaller mass, I said the two DON'T GO HAND-IN-HAND. Therefore, "lighter weight" is not a guaranteed benefit to smaller displacement.
Your examples are only hypothetical, anyway: It's impossible to "beef" a 1.8L up to 8L.
RadialSkid 2 years ago
"Then how is a VR38DETT both larger AND heavier than an LS1, despite smaller displacement"
oh fuck i dont kno(sarcasm) did u even consider the VR38 has twin turbos intercooler and 4 cams?
LS1 has only 1 cam and no induction system and is known to have thin walls so yeah obviously its gunna be liter.
""lighter weight" is not a guaranteed benefit to smaller displacement."
i doubt u could find a high displacement motor near the same wieght of a low displacement motor of the SAME material
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
"LS1 has only 1 cam and no induction system"
EXACTLY. This is the benefit to the high displacment, pushrod engine. It's both compact and lightweight, yet yields very high displacement.
Earlier you quote 608lbs for the (aluminum) VR38, which from your phrasing, I assume is without the gearbox. If that's correct, a (cast iron) 5.7 liter Chevrolet L98 small block weighs right at 600lbs (also with no gearbox).
RadialSkid 2 years ago
...... u own toy models of a skyline GTR. and if u dont believe me either look it up. shit u can just google "RB26DETT wieght" and "VR38DETT wieght"
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
Watch what you say. In one of my other videos is me drifting my car. You're damn right I own toy models, I'm an enthusiast, and I collect them to someday give to my children.
Watch it.
JDMAero 2 years ago
obviously a block with 1 camshaft and is fully aluminum is going to be liter than an engine with 2 camshafts and a 3/4 cast iron block and a twin turbo setup.
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago
also as u said the more displacement an engine has its going to have greater power.
KonigK1ngs 2 years ago