Those bigots tried to steal our rainbow, am I the only one outraged by this!! Those nuts can't even come up with their own name which is funny yet sad.
You know what i say "Fuck the NOM' One good reason, .. with more but I'm only going to state one for I could go on, They don't have room to talk about family value! Beside's fucking others live's up!
I love this, Laws should Not be based on religion and if same sex marriage is legalized gays and lesbians and bis will marry....that's all will happen, no global warning...,no apocalypse , and straight marriage will remain unaffected ...just because half of the world Like people of the same sex dosnet mean its a sin....Marriage isn't all about having baby and being fertile...Thats Not what love is about at all...Love isnt about sex. And a REAL doctor Would are for there patients no matter wat
i think the whole "the right to define marriage" thing is just an excuse to be able to say they are losing rights.................but the right to marry the one u love should be a lot more important than the "right to define marriage"
@garysher3 no, Gary, we were talking about 1000 SPECIES of animals that mate with same sex partners, and these are only the animals that have been researched. There are thousands of animals that have had no studies regarding their homosexuality yet. This means there are probably many more species that are naturally attracted to same sex partners and mate for LIFE with them.
@garysher3 I assure you I've never sucked a strange man's cock. Every man I have sucked off is a SUPERIOR being. Trust me on that. How many times did you beat your wifey today? Is she still in that battered women's shelter? Out by Christmas, do you think...?
@garysher3 the ability of a porn star to compare straight and gay sex is beyond dispute. These are PROFESSIONALS we are talking about. They know good from bad sex, don't you think?
@lisztnut Hey Lisz, gayrsher is a simple minded asshole, ill-equipped to make any rational comment on here. This toad has nothing but insults to throw at the gay community and really, he just might be a latent homosexual himself??!!
He sure is obsessed with gay posts on youtube, he is EVERYWHERE, like the scurge he is!
@fitasafiddle123 Yes, Garysher is a well known troll. He's also unable to accept that I am legally married to my same sex partner in CA. He's a British immigrant to CA and he routinely beats his wife and abuses his children. Then he blames gay people for his problems. He's a sad creature, indeed....
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Both you Samc brought forth some sound points. Problem is, advocates such as fitafiddle are so fanatically zealous and tunneled vision when it comes to these issues regarding SSM they fail to see the connection between other non-traditional structures. I also notice how the both of you have been spammed because you brought forth these irrefutable points.
@mistersMsMonica Fanatics? No fanatics are the Westboro Baptist Church and homophobic statement like "gays are not normal" and FANATICS like Sam who chose to ignore the FACTS that gays are committing suicide because of intolerant pricks like himself/.
Get use to it, Gays are going to have equality and homophobes will soon be put in the ole hall of shame!
@fitasafiddle123 Yes, fanatics. You are just as fanatical concerning your cause as Westboro is for theirs, opposite sides on the same coin. And just like them, your fanaticism clouds you of all logic and reasoning. Thus far, you've failed to provide any true facts, you aren't even capable of staying on topic and thus have to resort to the cliched anti-religious rhetoric that you yourself started.
"trying to proof homosexuals are hypocrites when it comes to human rights"
Precisely, That was exactly my point. You can't profess to be so tolerant and all about fairness, yet still withhold the same thing you're fighting for from others. If you're going to support same sex marriage then for the sake of fairness, one should also be in support of other forms of couplings. People want it bother ways, to be liberal on certain things and conservative about other things.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Well I do try to cool down, but my temper is a short and powerful temper so it's hard to cool down without addressing what is was that got me angry in the first place. That's just me. Yes I saw you warned about Gary, good thing too. I have to get going myself, have a few things to do before my husband gets home. Goodbye for now
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Well the idiot gary brought it all up and then this other guy jumped in and started asking about if gay rights are legal then so should the rest of this be. I got pissed off, just read back over the lst two days and you'll see it. Gary is an idiot and when I saw someone else who looked like he wanted to join the Gary jackass party I lost my temper. You have no right to judge me so I'm asking you not to and I didn't ask if you lost your temper in a forum chat.
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I lost my temper with him (her?) when the word pedophilia came up. You've seen it, the attempts to link homosexuality to pedophilia and it's a maddening thing. I come across people who are trying to link the two, so I make sure that they understand it's two separate things. I know you've seen my posts before because I still have an old message from you. Do you really think I'm a hypocrite or am I someone who is trying to do the right thing? Have you ever lost your temper?
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo if two relatives want to be together or if someone wants a multiple marriage that is their business. If you're asking me if I support it then yes I do, I just want to stick to the topic at hand which is gay rights. No you're not a hypocrite, if you want some kind of a fight out of me it's not happening. I never said the rest can go to hell, so don't put words in my mouth. If you want to support multiple marriages then go ahead, like I said I do support that.
America was created for freedom. But it was also based on christian faith, so why should we forget what our ancestors believed years ago? And gayness was meant to happen, why would there be two genders in the first place? And there's nothing forcing people to be gay, just like no one forces you to rob a bank.
@robertsfunny1995 If you want to live in a country where religion and law are the same you'll have to leave the USA, we have what's known as a separation of church and state in the USA. What that means is that the church stays out of the law. This was set up by the same people that signed the Declaration of Independence. "Gayness" as you call it, is natural and so is "straightness" that's why there are two genders. Christianity isn't law, I don't have to follow your beliefs!
@fitasafiddle123 I've heard of those suicides and it's so very sad, and yet people still refuse to acknowledge that it's the constant homophobic hatred that pushes them into suicide.
@fitasafiddle123 I looked up NOM the other day to see what lies they were spreading, and there was Maggie Gallagher the fat bitch herself. She says the suicides has nothing to do with being gay and that she has no blood on her hands.. I'm starting to think this fat bitch has no heart at all!
@fitasafiddle123 Garysher is a member of a small hate group, and they get a little smaller each day. No matter how much he screams about "deviant sexual behavior" it doesn't change the truth. We are all born with a certain sexual orientation because that's nature. He can act like a jackass all he wants, just like every other homophobe out there. Have you ever noticed how when you talk to a homophobe about civil rights they turn the conversation to sexual acts involving gay men? Why is that?
@Poochalot Why is that? Well, it is their scare tactic homophobic idiocracy!?!
For instance, saying people should not tolerate gay teen youth, tell them they are deviant and dirty for being gay!!?? yeah, sure, i am sure no more gay teens will commit suicide with that neanderthal logic!
@fitasafiddle123 The worst and most dangerous thing you can do to a child is to cause psychological damage, and telling a gay child that his/her NATURAL feelings of attraction to the same sex are wrong is a very effective way of causing depression. Depression is a very serious psychological disorder that does indeed kill. I went through several years of psychological abuse and I can tell you that it's a terrible thing to do to a child, no one should ever think their feelings are wrong.
@Poochalot How the hell do you know if a teenagers homosexual feelings are "natural" or just part of the confusion of adolescence?
Of course feelings can be wrong and it's a travesty that people like you encourage confused teenagers to pursue homosexual behaviour instead of steering them back towards normality.
Nobody ever killed themselves for being heterosexual you gormless dimwit
@garysher3 Feelings of sexual attraction to the same sex are normal for a homosexual, that's how I know. Feelings can never be wrong, it's part of who you are. Where did you get such a stupid idea that feelings can be wrong? Telling a child that his/her feelings are wrong causes depression, and that is why so many gays kill themselves. Heterosexuals don't kill themselves over sexual orientation because society views that as "normal", and the what the hell is a gormless dimwit?
@Poochalot Feelings of sexual attraction to the same sex are normal for a homosexual, that's how I know. Feelings can never be wrong, it's part of who you are"
Feelings of attraction to children are normal for a pedophile, it's part of who they are.
@garysher3 I knew you would try to throw in the pedophilia card, homophobes are so predictable. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder and a criminal act, it's not normal at all. I stand by what I said because I have done my research on the human mind (something you need to do) feelings can never be wrong. You didn't catch my sarcasm when I put parentheses around the word normal. I'm not talking about sexual intercourse, this is a civil rights issue, why are you obsessed with sex?
@garysher3 Because pedophilia involves sexual acts with children, a child isn't of legal age to consent to sexual acts. Two grown adults who want to spend their lives together is a natural human desire. Homosexuality is normal because it's how some of us are born, pedophilia is the result of a psychological problem. What is my "sad dysfunction"? You do realize you're going to lose this infantile battle against equality don't you? Welcome to 2010, there are gays in this world, deal with it.
@garysher3 Pedophilies aren't born that way. Why don't you try a new imaginary reason to deny gay marriage? You're trying to connect homosexuality to pedophilia and there is no connection, it's a childish attempt to discredit a natural form of life. Gay marriages are coming whether you like it or not and you're going to have to deal with it. Let people live their lives, no one is bothering you so why do you keep interfering with other peoples lives?
@fitasafiddle123 Well obviously he's protecting marriage from you and me, because we both sit up every night trying to take over the world, and he's discovered our master plan to hypnotize the world into accepting people for who they are. I think our dear gary has a few issues, ya think?
@gaysher3 The proof that pedophilia is a psychological disorder can be found on the website of the APA, they will also show you proof that homosexuals are born that way. Define "traditional marriage" as the last I heard about it I was supposed to be barefoot and pregnant. You are interfering with other peoples lives as you refuse to stay out of their private lives. You're also wrong about most people sharing your bigoted opinion as most people now support homosexual marriage. Grow up!
@garysher3 Um- no they don't have equal rights,I have a friend who was fired from his job just for being gay, how in your (very tiny) mind is that having equal rights? Gays can be kicked out of the military just for telling the truth, they can't get married and they are treated like 2nd class citizens. Enlighten me with your oh sooo superior wisdom and tell me HOW THE FUCK IS THAT BEING EQUAL? YOU STUPID ASSHOLE!
@Poochalot ,I have a friend who was fired from his job just for being gay"
In America people are hired at will and can be fired for no reason at any time. So stop whining about homosexuals being fired when everyone is in the same boat
@gaysher3 They want to marry a person they're attracted to, which is someone of the same gender and they can't do that so no asshole they can't get married just like anyone else. Do you not see the news? These people are killing themselves over the way their treated! Gays suffer from depression and are more likely to commit suicide than a heterosexual is. This cruelty against the LGBT community has got to STOP, leave them alone to live their lives, you can still be a bigot if you want to.
@garysher3 Pedophiles are commiting sex crimes against children, beastialty is having sex with an animal, incest is having sex with a relative and polygamy is a multiple marriage that is usually done by the Mormons. These are all choices made by people, homosexuality isn't a choice it's the way some of us are born. You might like to know that NOM is now listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center website as a hate group, so congratulations to you for supporting a hate group.
@gaysher3 That's not what I said and you know it asshole. The Southern Poverty Law Center is no joke, they are the ones who keep track of all hate groups, including the Westboro Bigot Church and you can't possibly support them.
"homosexuality isn't a choice it's the way some of us are born."
Again, how do you know this? a few comments ago, you claimed you were a married heterosexual woman, therefore how can you sit up and claim that homosexuality is purely and only due to biology, especially considering the fact that you're straight? Your using "us" is very misleading, not to mention your claim that pedophilia can't be innate either. Again just curious.
@Samc023 I am a woman married to a man, I didn't say I was heterosexual I'm bisexual, I didn't choose my sexual orientation. We are all born with a certain sexual orientation, these are feelings that are just a part of who we are(by "we" I am referring to the human race) Stop trying to connect pedophilia to homosexuality, there is no connection. You are a supporter of a hate group and a very small minded person, wake up and welcome to the year 2010 asshole, there are gays in this world.
Gary does pose an interesting question, So what if they're choices? if a person(s) consent and no one is harmed then that too would make a few things he mentioned applicable. Two things in particular, such as incestuous unions and polygamy, granted these would require their own set of governing, but still, if one group is awarded certain privileges for the sake of fairness then so should other groups, regardless of choice of genetics.
What exactly does Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel have to do with the questions and points I raised to Poochalot? they were never even brought up, furthermore, some would argue to the contrary that incest is inherently harmful, something you never even explained. If you're talking about birth defects, it wouldn't apply to those who were were same sex relatives or those who aren't able to conceive.
So I mention incest and you automatically reference Cain?
You didn't even remotely answer my question, what does Cain have to do with anything? when people think of incest they don't intrinsically think of Cain, so why did you?
@Samc023 So let me get this right. You are worried about the sanctity of marriage and has nothing to do with two men or two women marrying? You think if we allow ss marriage it will then turn to incestuous marriage and polygamy??
How many times have relatives attempted to marry and have been stopped or not allowed? I would say many and as of yet has never been allowed, or at least
"it will then turn to incestuous marriage and polygamy?"
It has to, otherwise it wouldn't be FAIR, you remember FAIRNESS right? or does that only apply to homosexuals desiring marriage? You see, this simply proves the hypocrisy of people like you? As long as you get what you want, you could care less about what others want. You have the never to be so liberal when it comes to homosexuality, yet so conservative when it comes to everything else.
I surely wasn't 5 years old, thats for certain, but considering my background, environment and other factors, who knows what I might have been had it not been for that. Sexuality is complicated and can stem from many factors, not ONLY biology since you want to insist that thats ONLY the root cause as to why some develop a preference for the same sex.
@Samc023 "Sexuality is complicated and can stem from many factors"
Ok, so list some of those "MANY" factors??!!
My brother and i were bothed raised on our family farm, we had NO TV or least very limited reception and we lived in the country. List some factors in this case to if you will, go ahead and enlighten me to our up-bringing. Genius.
What scare tactics? perhaps you should actually READ what I've said first before accusing me of scare tactics, especially since I never used even one scare tactic.
"Perhaps you should stop with the scare tactics as i mentioned."
And perhaps you should find out what a scare tactic truly is before you wedge yourself into a discussion while throwing up smoke and mirrors. Why the hell would I use bestiality? can an animal sign legal documentation's? I use incest and polygamy because the structures consist of HUMANS capable of doing just that. Ergo is gays want marriage, then it has to include incest and polygamy as well. period.
Why the hell would you bring up polygamy and incest?
Mormons at the forefront of the Anti Gay ilk, have a founder who dictated for polygamy and as for incest, as mentioned in the same dam Bible was rapant and to me, it is a scare tactic in an attempt to sway people from ss marriage.
"Why the hell would you bring up polygamy and incest?"
Do I really have to spell it out for you again? Very well, I'll do it yet AGAIN, since you didn't get the memo the first time. With polygamy and incest the parties involved are HUMAN, capable of consenting in regards to the said relationship.
Stop attempting to correlate my points with what's present in the Bible or Mormonism, I haven't brought up anything in connection to it, so I have no idea why you're even doing it.
@Samc023 No moron, YOU brought up incest, YOU brought up Polygamy so Mormons practice this to this day so take it up with them. They are at the forefront of the Anti Gay Hate Agenda so shut the fuck up.
And what about Trans Genders? After extensive operations to be who they are and have changed by LAW their sex, can they then marry Mr fucking Run the world his way?
@Samc023 Btw, Polygamy is illegal, has been and yet some certain sects of the Mormon church to this day still practice it. Are you going after them as well?
And no, gays are allowed marriage here in Canada and as of yet, NO ONE is fighting for incestous marriage or polygamy. NO ONE.
Quit with the scare tactics and conspiracy theories....AGAIN!
@Samc023 I frequently try to talk to those who oppose equality and they are forever doing exactly what you're doing, trying to connect homosexuality to bestiality, pedophilia and polygamy (in case I talked to someone who said necrophilia should be made legal). The issue in front of us all is that of gay rights, not the right of an adult to rape a child. Would you please explain what you mean by choice of genetics? I know I can't choose my genes, so how did you pull it off?
"trying to connect homosexuality to bestiality, pedophilia and polygamy"
Actually, I wasn't trying to connect homosexuality to those per se. I am however want to draw attention to claims of so-called fairness and "equality". If you support same sex marriage then that is your prerogative, but realize that there exist others that also break from the traditional mold, which includes polygamy and incestuous relationships, therefore you should support those as well.
"I can't choose my genes, so how did you pull it off?"
Huh? When did I claim one can choose their genes? did you even read my post? as I recall you were very vocal regarding your unsubstantiated pedophilia claim, which you also conveniently ignored. Gay rights basically hinges on whether or not homosexuality is immutable like ones race, yet that hasn't even been proven. I'm talking about fairness, clearly you're partial to only one kind of fairness, which is to gays.
@Samc023 You said " regardless of choice of genetics" so apparently you think we can choose our genes. I read your post and it's no different than the others I read from those who are opposed to gay rights. If you want to champion the cause of pedophilia, bestiality and polygamy go right ahead and do that. I haven't heard of movements that support any of these. I've seen how gays are treated and they deserve better, so I support the cause. Don't try to put words into my mouth asshole.
Let me clarify. I meant regardless of choice OR genetics, excuse the typo, but I figured you could easily discern the context. As far as me opposing gay rights, I'm actually indifferent regarding the matter. And while movements that champion such particular causes are nowhere the size of the gay community that still doesn't negate their existence, if anything it only shows how partial and hypocritical you truly are regarding other groups.
@Samc023 I'm interested in GAY RIGHTS, and I've been supporting it for a while. You didn't listen to a thing I said and you don't know what you're talking about. Ever since I became involved in gay rights I keep seeing comments about how if homosexual marriage is legal then other things should be made legal. I'm trying to stick to the issue at hand, those other things you mentioned have nothing to do with gay rights and people keep trying to make a connection between them, it's insulting!
I didn't, you did that all on your own. And what's with the ad hominem ? you're telling me that a poster who claims to be 36 years of age can't articulate a nice civil response regarding their views without resorting to juvenile name calling?
@Samc023 I didn't put the correct information on my channel, I never use real information about me online. I am trying to stick to one issue and you want to talk about sexual acts, I'm talking about civil rights for homosexuals. You're talking about multiple marriages, sex with children and sex with animals. If there are people who want a 3 or more marriage than they can do that within their religion, but that's a cause I'm not following. You're pissing me off so yes I'm calling you an asshole
@garysher3 I'm not gay and I'm not a man asshole. Homosexuality isn't a choice, it's just the way some of us are born. Have you ever been to the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center? They keep track of hate groups and try to protect the public from those hate groups, they aren't a hate group. As for homosexuals "switching to normality" that isn't possible asshole. No one can change their sexual orientation, this has already been proven by the American Psychological Association.
@garysher3 "homosexuality is NOT genetic, it's a lifestyle choice.
That's why so many homosexuals switch back to normality, including many prisoners"
LOL, ok Dr Dip Shit know it all. You are an IDIOT.
Prisoners, at least most, are not gay. They are denied any contact with women and they turn to men for sexual release. This is a fact you simple prick.
Interesting, so you're not actually an adult then? because if you are, then my point still stands (lol). Here you are talking about "civil rights" yet you lack even civility when it comes to views that differ from yours.
Precisely, the natural response for one who's foundation for their argument is weak to begin with. I was also talking about other relationships that are considered taboo in our culture, incest and polygamy, I wasn't talking about sex with animals or children. Everyone reading this thread can see your interest is gay rights, I suppose other issues or other oppressed minorities don't warrant your attention.
@Samc023 I am trying to support a good cause, I see words like pedophilia constantly associated with it and it sickens me. People are constantly trying to connect the two and its WRONG. I have no interest in supporting polygamy,do you think it should be legal? As far as I'm concerned people should be able to do what they want. See the thing is I don't see those other "taboos" as being attacked, I'm sure you've heard of Matt Sheppard and I want that kind of thing to stop, it has to!
"See the thing is I don't see those other "taboos" as being attacked"
Probably because their supporters aren't currently trying to legalize those, yet. And yes, I've heard of Matthew Sheppard, but that has nothing to do with what I've been saying, and your attempts at exploiting his death to further your agenda is shameful to say the least.
@Samc023 My "agenda" is to help the LGBT community gain full equal rights, I'm not using him at all asshole! So what are you saying? You want to talk about making other causes legal? If it's a worthwhile cause I would support it so stop trying to classify me in some way. If you want to know me then just check out any video that has to do with NOM, the Westboro Bigot Church, and gay rights. You don't know me, you read a few things I say when I'm pissed and then you judge me, who are you?
There you go again, every time you spew more juvenile rhetoric it only shows your hypocrisy but I'll give it another past. I'm judging you based off your board conduct, and it gives me ample room to discern the type of person you truly are. The fact that you can even be pissed is astounding. and that is why I judge you, civility and maturity over a sensitive topic goes a long way.
@Samc023 Yes this is a sensitive topic. My brother (who I love very much) is gay and it sickens me the way I see him treated. I am trying to be civil with you, but you're not making it easy. How would you feel if someone you loved was referred to as a pedophile just for being gay? I want this world to be a safe place for him, and with the constant bigotry against gays I get scared for him. What happened to Matt Sheppard could happen to him too. You don't know me, I'm more than a few words.
"Pooch is very hostile, bigoted and full of hate."
I can tell. Funny how his/her sort always spewing how intolerant everyone else is, yet hypocritically ignore their own intolerance and hate, as if hatred is a one way street. I was under the impression that Pooch was a married heterosexual, but based off the responses and the fact that they acknowledged how they don't use their correct information its kinda hard to tell now.
@Samc023 If you don't care about gay rights one way or the other why are you even here? Do you honestly think pedophilia should be made legal? Other than those idiots at NAMBLA I don't know any group that supports the rape of children. I don't think you understand how badly gays are treated, you just want to talk about other oppressed minorities. Yes I do care about them, no one should be oppressed; but this what I see if front of me, gay bashings, hate crimes, intolerance and cruelty.
"If you don't care about gay rights why are you even here? "
So in other words, my opinion has to be the same as yours in order to post here? Grow the hell up, this is a public forum, people should be able to post their views whether or not you agree with them. Drop the guilt trip as well, gays don't have a monopoly on mistreatment, that's the way of the world, no one is exempt . And when did I ever imply pedophilia should be made legal? yet oddly you keep insisting that.
@Samc023 No your opinion doesn't have to be the same as mine, it was a question. Videos like this attract people who are either for or against gay rights and I don't understand why you wanted to see this. You brought up pedophilia, not me. I see it all the time when I try to talk to someone about gay rights, they bring up pedophilia. This is concerning gay rights and you don't care one way or the other, so why are you here? You're very judgmental of me and you don't even know me.
"attract people who are either for or against gay rights"
AND/OR, they can attract those who are actually indifferent regarding the matter. Its not exclusive to just those types. And I didn't bring up pedophilia genius, YOU were initially talking about when you made the claim that pedophiles aren't innately attracted to children. I did however bring up incest and polygamy.
@Samc023 I called you an asshole because you made me angry when you started in with the whole pedophile thing. Have you gone through your whole life without losing your temper?
"Have you gone through your whole life without losing your temper?"
Of course not, but at the same time I don't have to resort to petty name calling to get my point across either. You should be against ALL types of oppression, not just ONE kind, involving ONE group, or is it that you simply don't care until it surfaces in your backyard.
@Samc023 Yes I am a short tempered woman, you can see that but like I said you don't know me. I'm sure you're a reasonable person, but I don't understand why you even came here! This is concerning GAY RIGHTS, and not the rights of other oppressed minorities, yet you come here and you want to talk about other minorities, WHY? Can you at least agree with me that gays don't have full equal rights? Do you see how badly gays are treated? It's cruel and it's wrong, do you see that at all?
I believe you're exaggerating now. Gays have it far better than those in say..Iran. And considering how so many positive gay characters saturate television in America and how politically vocal they are, I'm having a hard time believing some of the things you claim. Granted I'm not saying gays aren't oppressed, but not like you're saying.
@Samc023 There you go again talking about other oppressed minorities. Sure they have it better than Iran, but tell me why I have more legal rights than my brother does? I think you should take a look at the gay rights movement, there is a lot of opposition to them. What about DADT? Is that a fair policy? Yes there are gay characters on TV that are shown in a positive light, things are better than they used to be but still not equal. I know more about the gay rights movement than you do.
"I know more about the gay rights movement than you do"
You think that by having a gay brother and playing "protector" intrinsically means you have more acquired knowledge?, not likely. You'd be surprised at what some may know regarding the gay rights movement, or their movement in general.
@Samc023 I've been supporting the gay rights movement for several years now, and you said you don't care about gay rights so yes I know more than you do. I thought this was a fairly civil discussion, but you think otherwise. Not my problem. You want to help other oppressed minorities than you should go do that, I'm staying here and supporting gay rights. I tried to be civil with you, and believe me I can be very aggressive if I'm provoked so you have no idea how calm I've been with you.
Indifference doesn't mean ignorance, so no, don't erroneously presume to know more than I do, you clearly don't. And no, this stopped being a civil discussion the moment you decided to throw a tantrum and call names. You weren't civil, so stop pretending you were.
@Samc023 Well since this is something of an argument at this point and we're not discussing the issue of gay rights there's really nothing to talk about. You're not opposed to gay rights and you don't support them; well that's all you're going to find here. I don't know what else to tell you. Yes I lost my temper with you, I get very angry when I see the word pedophilia alongside of homosexuality. I've been at this for years and it kills me to see how these people are treated by society.
@Samc023 I actually was starting to think you were an OK person to talk to, but perhaps I was right in the first place. You don't care about gay rights and yet you come to a video that is obviously about gay rights. You approach me when you can see that I support gay rights and you want to talk to me about other oppressed minorities. If you care so much about Iraq then go there and do something about it. I will continue to support the cause, you do whatever you want. Goodbye
"I actually was starting to think you were an OK person to talk to"
BS. You never thought that, otherwise you wouldn't have ad hominem from the start. You judged me from the very beginning, yet you have the audacity to complain about me doing the same thing.
And again, this is a public forum, I have a right to voice my views just as much as you do. Again, grow up and learn to accept the fact that others have a right to their views and expressing them as much as you do.
@Samc023 How do you know what I think? Of course you have the right to be here, I was merely asking why you did. You still haven't answered me but obviously you're not going to. I didn't say you were ignorant of gay rights, but I have spent almost every day of the last few years working on supporting cause of gay rights and I don't think you have; so it's not out of line to say I know more about it than you do. Just know that we're discussing gay rights here, not other group rights.
@Samc023 What would you say to the parents of the recent gay teen suicide VICTIMS who were bullied to death at school?
You sound to me as if you are anti gay, and if it were blacks you were talking about, whom btw were forbidden to marry white women at one time, then you would get the same dam response.
Huh?! What does gay bullying have to do with gay marriage? You sure know how to throw random smokescreens to deflect various issues. I can definitely tell that gay advocates read the same playbook, especially when it comes to exploiting the deaths of teens to incite some guilt trip tactic.
I suppose that means anyone and everyone who doesn't adhere to you ideology. BTW, since you clearly took it upon yourself to play the "whites couldn't marry blacks" card, do realize that that was in part due to the legacy of slavery and an attempt to keep the races separate. Interracial marriage never changed what the foundation of marriage was.
@Samc023 It has nothing to do with race per blacks marrying whites, and try to keep up, it has to do with fighting for equality and the way you were BORN.
And btw, Marriage at one time genius, was considered a PAGAN ceremony, and frowned upon by Christians.
Marriage is not owned by some fairy tale story God....get out of the dark ages....PLEASE!
"It has nothing to do with race per blacks marrying whites"
How old are you? You really don't know your history do you? Ever heard of
segregation? Blacks marrying whites was simply another facet of that. I'm not talking about the fight for equality because of immutable characteristics, I'm talking about why that law was made in the first place.
"Marriage at one time genius, was considered a PAGAN ceremony, and frowned upon by Christians."
Notice how you carefully crafted your words? "Pagan Ceremony" I know you're not obtuse enough to believe that marriage itself was an institution frowned upon, considering the founder of that faith spoke very candidly regarding the arrangement. I also love your vain attempts at deflection, considering I never said ANYTHING regarding the "ceremony" genius.
"Marriage is not owned by some fairy tale story God."
Which brings me to my next question. When did *I* specifically bring biblical theology or God into this discussion? The only one that's brought it up, and consistently I might add is YOU.
Apparently, this is *your* futile attempt to navigate the discussion over into theological territory. Coincidentally, you want others to get out of the dark ages, but those of you so vocal about gay rights deny that right to others.
@Samc023 # I can definitely tell that gay advocates read the same playbook, especially when it comes to exploiting the deaths of teens to incite some guilt trip tactic."
That is so true!
They will try anything to avoid accepting personal responsibility for their own sad lifestyle choice
No kidding, I never denied bringing up incest, unfortunately that doesn't explain why YOU brought biblical theology. I don't need to remind you that polygamy pre-dates Mormons do I? So again, why are you even bringing up the Bible or Mormons? and can you at least avoid coming apart and resorting to ad hominem.
"Go join the Westboro Baptist Cult you prick...lol"
ROFL! In actuality, I believe fanatics like yourself absolutely love Fred Phelps and Westboro, without them imbeciles like yourself wouldn't be able to thrive and point fingers. If Westboro didn't exist, people like you would likely make them up.
Really? How so? when did I say I was against gay marriage? and when were you condemned by me? Your answer will confirm whether or not you're a person of integrity and truth. How am I like Phelps?
ROFL so when ad hominem fails, play the homophobe card, LOL. Phelps message is about hate and condemnation. So according to your asinine logic polygamy and incest equates to hate and condemnation. You can't even see your own hypocrisy. Supporting gay marriage means you should by default support polygamist and incestuous couplings, not supporting those would be hypocritical, but of course you only want to be conservative on some things but not all.
@Samc023 "Supporting gay marriage means you should by default support polygamist and incestuous couplings"
No, not at all. Incestuous relationships are harmful, unlike gay marriage, Polygamy is not allowed NOR will it be. Your attempts at homophobic scare tactics is so old.
You and Gary are both hateful towards gays and you try and hide it with your slithering ways.
You assholes dont want to take any blame for the intolerance and hate towards gays, so typical of cowardly homophobes like YOU
This is fantastic!
MRBBJC 2 months ago
Why do i always feel happy when i see this video?
TheSilverphoenix88 2 months ago
Everyone Is supposed to have = rights!!! Keep fighting
crazynutzzz 3 months ago
Those bigots tried to steal our rainbow, am I the only one outraged by this!! Those nuts can't even come up with their own name which is funny yet sad.
makemegood5two 3 months ago
DJ KEOKI AT 0:59
flejkso 3 months ago
I am bi-sexual but my friends and family love me and I am for Gay rights
simsgirlgem 4 months ago
I am bi-sexual but my friends and family love me and I am for Gay rights
simsgirlgem 4 months ago
very sweet, very poignant. All true, unlike the video it is parodying.
smithbc81 5 months ago
I'm watching this and it just starting thunderstorming outside.
UniversalInc 5 months ago
0:41 - 0:47 is so beautiful
myeyeswillburn 6 months ago
@andrewutube1000 How does it infringe on your rights? Its you who is taking the rights away. Tell me how it harms you.
SuperMrAtheist 6 months ago
This is a wonderful response. Its truly beautiful.
SuperMrAtheist 6 months ago
this is an actual video that makes since
mrlimegreentangerine 6 months ago
You know what i say "Fuck the NOM' One good reason, .. with more but I'm only going to state one for I could go on, They don't have room to talk about family value! Beside's fucking others live's up!
smiley692010 6 months ago
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smiley692010 6 months ago
Fuck Yeah!!
Arianrhod503 6 months ago
I love this, Laws should Not be based on religion and if same sex marriage is legalized gays and lesbians and bis will marry....that's all will happen, no global warning...,no apocalypse , and straight marriage will remain unaffected ...just because half of the world Like people of the same sex dosnet mean its a sin....Marriage isn't all about having baby and being fertile...Thats Not what love is about at all...Love isnt about sex. And a REAL doctor Would are for there patients no matter wat
coolcatevan9 6 months ago
The other ad about 'The Storm', was just insulting - This, this is beautiful.
kibbylee 7 months ago
Take that Bigots! This is too true, I love it.
StrawberryXPoison 7 months ago
Brilliant :)
Things like "The gathering storm" make it embarrising to be straight
Morning666Star 8 months ago
Excellent video. I live in Minnesota, and will be passing this on. Thank you.
bohemianspiritmn 8 months ago
Not just so called "christians" dislike gay marriage. Cathlic, Jews, Muslims are equally guilty. Just saying
JumpStartTheHeart 8 months ago
I find it so ironic that people are against gay marriage for the same reason that homosexuality exists....God.
bluetextonwhitebg 9 months ago
i think the whole "the right to define marriage" thing is just an excuse to be able to say they are losing rights.................but the right to marry the one u love should be a lot more important than the "right to define marriage"
anonymous10001000 9 months ago
124 closed minded people, who care about themselves only
ephrem101c 10 months ago 4
I cant watch this video without shedding a tear of hope and joy
TheSilverphoenix88 11 months ago 25
awwww the dad at :45 is so adorable! cutest family ever!
rabbitsuit18 11 months ago
122 people are ignorant, closed minded, and/or hateful bigots.
esspears 1 year ago 44
that poor sad fool listznut tries to reshape human sexuality based on 9 homosexual porn starts and a few bighorn sheep!
That guy's capacity for self delusion is even greater than his sickness for sucking strange men's cocks
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 no, Gary, we were talking about 1000 SPECIES of animals that mate with same sex partners, and these are only the animals that have been researched. There are thousands of animals that have had no studies regarding their homosexuality yet. This means there are probably many more species that are naturally attracted to same sex partners and mate for LIFE with them.
lisztnut 1 year ago
@garysher3 I assure you I've never sucked a strange man's cock. Every man I have sucked off is a SUPERIOR being. Trust me on that. How many times did you beat your wifey today? Is she still in that battered women's shelter? Out by Christmas, do you think...?
lisztnut 1 year ago
@garysher3 the ability of a porn star to compare straight and gay sex is beyond dispute. These are PROFESSIONALS we are talking about. They know good from bad sex, don't you think?
lisztnut 1 year ago
@lisztnut Hey Lisz, gayrsher is a simple minded asshole, ill-equipped to make any rational comment on here. This toad has nothing but insults to throw at the gay community and really, he just might be a latent homosexual himself??!!
He sure is obsessed with gay posts on youtube, he is EVERYWHERE, like the scurge he is!
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 Yes, Garysher is a well known troll. He's also unable to accept that I am legally married to my same sex partner in CA. He's a British immigrant to CA and he routinely beats his wife and abuses his children. Then he blames gay people for his problems. He's a sad creature, indeed....
lisztnut 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Both you Samc brought forth some sound points. Problem is, advocates such as fitafiddle are so fanatically zealous and tunneled vision when it comes to these issues regarding SSM they fail to see the connection between other non-traditional structures. I also notice how the both of you have been spammed because you brought forth these irrefutable points.
mistersMsMonica 1 year ago
@mistersMsMonica Fanatics? No fanatics are the Westboro Baptist Church and homophobic statement like "gays are not normal" and FANATICS like Sam who chose to ignore the FACTS that gays are committing suicide because of intolerant pricks like himself/.
Get use to it, Gays are going to have equality and homophobes will soon be put in the ole hall of shame!
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 Yes, fanatics. You are just as fanatical concerning your cause as Westboro is for theirs, opposite sides on the same coin. And just like them, your fanaticism clouds you of all logic and reasoning. Thus far, you've failed to provide any true facts, you aren't even capable of staying on topic and thus have to resort to the cliched anti-religious rhetoric that you yourself started.
mistersMsMonica 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo
"trying to proof homosexuals are hypocrites when it comes to human rights"
Precisely, That was exactly my point. You can't profess to be so tolerant and all about fairness, yet still withhold the same thing you're fighting for from others. If you're going to support same sex marriage then for the sake of fairness, one should also be in support of other forms of couplings. People want it bother ways, to be liberal on certain things and conservative about other things.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Well I do try to cool down, but my temper is a short and powerful temper so it's hard to cool down without addressing what is was that got me angry in the first place. That's just me. Yes I saw you warned about Gary, good thing too. I have to get going myself, have a few things to do before my husband gets home. Goodbye for now
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo Well the idiot gary brought it all up and then this other guy jumped in and started asking about if gay rights are legal then so should the rest of this be. I got pissed off, just read back over the lst two days and you'll see it. Gary is an idiot and when I saw someone else who looked like he wanted to join the Gary jackass party I lost my temper. You have no right to judge me so I'm asking you not to and I didn't ask if you lost your temper in a forum chat.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo I lost my temper with him (her?) when the word pedophilia came up. You've seen it, the attempts to link homosexuality to pedophilia and it's a maddening thing. I come across people who are trying to link the two, so I make sure that they understand it's two separate things. I know you've seen my posts before because I still have an old message from you. Do you really think I'm a hypocrite or am I someone who is trying to do the right thing? Have you ever lost your temper?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo if two relatives want to be together or if someone wants a multiple marriage that is their business. If you're asking me if I support it then yes I do, I just want to stick to the topic at hand which is gay rights. No you're not a hypocrite, if you want some kind of a fight out of me it's not happening. I never said the rest can go to hell, so don't put words in my mouth. If you want to support multiple marriages then go ahead, like I said I do support that.
Poochalot 1 year ago
so do you people think that the people in this ad should be shot? or murdered in some other way?
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
America was created for freedom. But it was also based on christian faith, so why should we forget what our ancestors believed years ago? And gayness was meant to happen, why would there be two genders in the first place? And there's nothing forcing people to be gay, just like no one forces you to rob a bank.
robertsfunny1995 1 year ago
@robertsfunny1995 If you want to live in a country where religion and law are the same you'll have to leave the USA, we have what's known as a separation of church and state in the USA. What that means is that the church stays out of the law. This was set up by the same people that signed the Declaration of Independence. "Gayness" as you call it, is natural and so is "straightness" that's why there are two genders. Christianity isn't law, I don't have to follow your beliefs!
Poochalot 1 year ago
holy crap is that ricki from my so-called life?! He's my favourite!! This is a great video
djazr 1 year ago
"the dysfunctionality and abnormality of homosexual behaviour"
There is nothing abnormal or dysfunctional about homosexuality, and your homophobic statement proves that you ARE a homophobe.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@garysher3 "BTW I'm not homophobic, that's just your hate talking"
If you're not a homophobe then why do you keep attacking gays?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot If you're not a homophobe then why do you keep attacking gays?"
You need to stop being so hateful and narrow minded and appreciate that many people are opposed to homosexuality in principle.
It doesn't mean they hate homosexuals or are afraid of them.
They just don't condone the dysfunctionality and abnormality of homosexual behaviour.
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Normal people dont hate gays. You see Gary, gays do not affect you.
Not one bit, only the way your homophobic pea brain thinks.
YOU are part of the reason gay teen youth are killing themselves asshole
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 I've heard of those suicides and it's so very sad, and yet people still refuse to acknowledge that it's the constant homophobic hatred that pushes them into suicide.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Yep, they will not take any responsibility for the intolerance THEY create.
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 I looked up NOM the other day to see what lies they were spreading, and there was Maggie Gallagher the fat bitch herself. She says the suicides has nothing to do with being gay and that she has no blood on her hands.. I'm starting to think this fat bitch has no heart at all!
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Yep, Maggie is as low as this pond scum piece of shit 'garysher' on here.
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 Garysher is a member of a small hate group, and they get a little smaller each day. No matter how much he screams about "deviant sexual behavior" it doesn't change the truth. We are all born with a certain sexual orientation because that's nature. He can act like a jackass all he wants, just like every other homophobe out there. Have you ever noticed how when you talk to a homophobe about civil rights they turn the conversation to sexual acts involving gay men? Why is that?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Why is that? Well, it is their scare tactic homophobic idiocracy!?!
For instance, saying people should not tolerate gay teen youth, tell them they are deviant and dirty for being gay!!?? yeah, sure, i am sure no more gay teens will commit suicide with that neanderthal logic!
Garysher is just another homophobic amoeba
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 The worst and most dangerous thing you can do to a child is to cause psychological damage, and telling a gay child that his/her NATURAL feelings of attraction to the same sex are wrong is a very effective way of causing depression. Depression is a very serious psychological disorder that does indeed kill. I went through several years of psychological abuse and I can tell you that it's a terrible thing to do to a child, no one should ever think their feelings are wrong.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot How the hell do you know if a teenagers homosexual feelings are "natural" or just part of the confusion of adolescence?
Of course feelings can be wrong and it's a travesty that people like you encourage confused teenagers to pursue homosexual behaviour instead of steering them back towards normality.
Nobody ever killed themselves for being heterosexual you gormless dimwit
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Feelings of sexual attraction to the same sex are normal for a homosexual, that's how I know. Feelings can never be wrong, it's part of who you are. Where did you get such a stupid idea that feelings can be wrong? Telling a child that his/her feelings are wrong causes depression, and that is why so many gays kill themselves. Heterosexuals don't kill themselves over sexual orientation because society views that as "normal", and the what the hell is a gormless dimwit?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Feelings of sexual attraction to the same sex are normal for a homosexual, that's how I know. Feelings can never be wrong, it's part of who you are"
Feelings of attraction to children are normal for a pedophile, it's part of who they are.
Do you still think feelings can never be wrong?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 I knew you would try to throw in the pedophilia card, homophobes are so predictable. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder and a criminal act, it's not normal at all. I stand by what I said because I have done my research on the human mind (something you need to do) feelings can never be wrong. You didn't catch my sarcasm when I put parentheses around the word normal. I'm not talking about sexual intercourse, this is a civil rights issue, why are you obsessed with sex?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Why is homosexuality right and pedophilia wrong?
Why is homosexuality normal and pedophilia abnormal?
Why are homosexual feelings never wrong but pedophilic feelings always wrong??
You are deeply muddled and confused trying desperately to bend truth to fit your sad dysfunction
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Because pedophilia involves sexual acts with children, a child isn't of legal age to consent to sexual acts. Two grown adults who want to spend their lives together is a natural human desire. Homosexuality is normal because it's how some of us are born, pedophilia is the result of a psychological problem. What is my "sad dysfunction"? You do realize you're going to lose this infantile battle against equality don't you? Welcome to 2010, there are gays in this world, deal with it.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot But if pedophiles are born that way how can it be wrong?
Aren't they just being who they really are?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Pedophilies aren't born that way. Why don't you try a new imaginary reason to deny gay marriage? You're trying to connect homosexuality to pedophilia and there is no connection, it's a childish attempt to discredit a natural form of life. Gay marriages are coming whether you like it or not and you're going to have to deal with it. Let people live their lives, no one is bothering you so why do you keep interfering with other peoples lives?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Pedophilies aren't born that way."
How can you say that? Yet you think homosexuals are born that way?
How convenient.
I'm not interfering in anyone's life, just protecting traditional marriage along with the majority of Americans and the rest of the world
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 How are you protecting Marriage? And from what?
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 Well obviously he's protecting marriage from you and me, because we both sit up every night trying to take over the world, and he's discovered our master plan to hypnotize the world into accepting people for who they are. I think our dear gary has a few issues, ya think?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@garysher3 Rest of the world? ummmm, not Canada dumb shit
ss marriage is legal here, and now it is a non issue.
Proof you are just another pea brained homophobe...
FAIL
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@garysher3 What about straight pedophiles Gary, maybe we should be against straight people you dip shit
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@gaysher3 The proof that pedophilia is a psychological disorder can be found on the website of the APA, they will also show you proof that homosexuals are born that way. Define "traditional marriage" as the last I heard about it I was supposed to be barefoot and pregnant. You are interfering with other peoples lives as you refuse to stay out of their private lives. You're also wrong about most people sharing your bigoted opinion as most people now support homosexual marriage. Grow up!
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot most people now support homosexual marriage"
Is that why 31 states out of 31 have voted against homo-marriage?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Did you pull that information out of your ass? Maybe you should look for your head while you're in there asshole.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Why are you homos always so miserable angry and bitter??
garysher3 1 year ago
@gaysher3 I'm a woman married to a man so I don't think the term "homo" applies to me. Why are you so obsessed with other peoples lives?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot If you're not a homosexual why are YOU so obsessed with other people's lives?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 No stupid, pooch, along with myself, help fight for equaity, moron!
Shut up already.... homophobe.
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 Homosexuals already have equality
You want them to have special privileges!
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Um- no they don't have equal rights,I have a friend who was fired from his job just for being gay, how in your (very tiny) mind is that having equal rights? Gays can be kicked out of the military just for telling the truth, they can't get married and they are treated like 2nd class citizens. Enlighten me with your oh sooo superior wisdom and tell me HOW THE FUCK IS THAT BEING EQUAL? YOU STUPID ASSHOLE!
Poochalot 1 year ago
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@Poochalot ,I have a friend who was fired from his job just for being gay"
In America people are hired at will and can be fired for no reason at any time. So stop whining about homosexuals being fired when everyone is in the same boat
garysher3 1 year ago
@Poochalot they can't get married and they are treated like 2nd class citizens."
Stop whining
Homosexuals can get married just like anyone else
garysher3 1 year ago
@gaysher3 They want to marry a person they're attracted to, which is someone of the same gender and they can't do that so no asshole they can't get married just like anyone else. Do you not see the news? These people are killing themselves over the way their treated! Gays suffer from depression and are more likely to commit suicide than a heterosexual is. This cruelty against the LGBT community has got to STOP, leave them alone to live their lives, you can still be a bigot if you want to.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot They want to marry a person they're attracted to,"
So do pedophiles, bestialists, the incestuous and polygamists.
Why should homosexuals get special privileges?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Pedophiles are commiting sex crimes against children, beastialty is having sex with an animal, incest is having sex with a relative and polygamy is a multiple marriage that is usually done by the Mormons. These are all choices made by people, homosexuality isn't a choice it's the way some of us are born. You might like to know that NOM is now listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center website as a hate group, so congratulations to you for supporting a hate group.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot So you agree that people should not automatically be allowed to marry anyone they happen to be attracted to.
Thanks
garysher3 1 year ago
@gaysher3 That's not what I said and you know it asshole. The Southern Poverty Law Center is no joke, they are the ones who keep track of all hate groups, including the Westboro Bigot Church and you can't possibly support them.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot SPLC is a joke!
garysher3 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"homosexuality isn't a choice it's the way some of us are born."
Again, how do you know this? a few comments ago, you claimed you were a married heterosexual woman, therefore how can you sit up and claim that homosexuality is purely and only due to biology, especially considering the fact that you're straight? Your using "us" is very misleading, not to mention your claim that pedophilia can't be innate either. Again just curious.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I am a woman married to a man, I didn't say I was heterosexual I'm bisexual, I didn't choose my sexual orientation. We are all born with a certain sexual orientation, these are feelings that are just a part of who we are(by "we" I am referring to the human race) Stop trying to connect pedophilia to homosexuality, there is no connection. You are a supporter of a hate group and a very small minded person, wake up and welcome to the year 2010 asshole, there are gays in this world.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"These are all choices made by people"
Gary does pose an interesting question, So what if they're choices? if a person(s) consent and no one is harmed then that too would make a few things he mentioned applicable. Two things in particular, such as incestuous unions and polygamy, granted these would require their own set of governing, but still, if one group is awarded certain privileges for the sake of fairness then so should other groups, regardless of choice of genetics.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Polygamy? As in the Mormons and what their false prophet Joseph Smith preached and also Brigham Young?
And Incest? Well, lets look at Adam and Eve then. Cain killed Able, so who did Cain have sex??
At any rate, incest is harmful, unlike two gay or lesbian couples!
When did you choose to be straight btw?
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"so who did Cain have sex??"
What exactly does Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel have to do with the questions and points I raised to Poochalot? they were never even brought up, furthermore, some would argue to the contrary that incest is inherently harmful, something you never even explained. If you're talking about birth defects, it wouldn't apply to those who were were same sex relatives or those who aren't able to conceive.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Well, you mentioned INCEST did you not?
Cain must have had incestuous sex to get us here today????
And what about your polygamy scare tactic? Ask the Mormons who once believed it was ok as taught by their false prophet Joe Smith.
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
you mentioned INCEST did you not?
So I mention incest and you automatically reference Cain?
You didn't even remotely answer my question, what does Cain have to do with anything? when people think of incest they don't intrinsically think of Cain, so why did you?
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 So let me get this right. You are worried about the sanctity of marriage and has nothing to do with two men or two women marrying? You think if we allow ss marriage it will then turn to incestuous marriage and polygamy??
How many times have relatives attempted to marry and have been stopped or not allowed? I would say many and as of yet has never been allowed, or at least
Unbeknownst to anyone!
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
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@fitasafiddle123
"it will then turn to incestuous marriage and polygamy?"
It has to, otherwise it wouldn't be FAIR, you remember FAIRNESS right? or does that only apply to homosexuals desiring marriage? You see, this simply proves the hypocrisy of people like you? As long as you get what you want, you could care less about what others want. You have the never to be so liberal when it comes to homosexuality, yet so conservative when it comes to everything else.
Samc023 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"When did you choose to be straight btw"
I surely wasn't 5 years old, thats for certain, but considering my background, environment and other factors, who knows what I might have been had it not been for that. Sexuality is complicated and can stem from many factors, not ONLY biology since you want to insist that thats ONLY the root cause as to why some develop a preference for the same sex.
Samc023 1 year ago
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@Samc023 "Sexuality is complicated and can stem from many factors"
Ok, so list some of those "MANY" factors??!!
My brother and i were bothed raised on our family farm, we had NO TV or least very limited reception and we lived in the country. List some factors in this case to if you will, go ahead and enlighten me to our up-bringing. Genius.
Pfft...
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@Samc023 And i grew up with a gay brother and he hid this for years until he finally came out.
We all knew he was gay, with out doubt, and when he did finally come out, he was finally happy with his life, so just quit with the scare tactics!
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"so just quit with the scare tactics!"
What scare tactics? perhaps you should actually READ what I've said first before accusing me of scare tactics, especially since I never used even one scare tactic.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Scare tactics? YOU brought up incest and polygamy did you not??
What does gay marriage have to do with incest and polygamy have to do with this?
Perhaps you should stop with the scare tactics as i mentioned.
Hell, why dont you throw in Beastiality while you are at it next, as we all know animals can sign a marriage contract.....pfft
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"Perhaps you should stop with the scare tactics as i mentioned."
And perhaps you should find out what a scare tactic truly is before you wedge yourself into a discussion while throwing up smoke and mirrors. Why the hell would I use bestiality? can an animal sign legal documentation's? I use incest and polygamy because the structures consist of HUMANS capable of doing just that. Ergo is gays want marriage, then it has to include incest and polygamy as well. period.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 "Why the hell would I use bestiality?"
Why the hell would you bring up polygamy and incest?
Mormons at the forefront of the Anti Gay ilk, have a founder who dictated for polygamy and as for incest, as mentioned in the same dam Bible was rapant and to me, it is a scare tactic in an attempt to sway people from ss marriage.
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"Why the hell would you bring up polygamy and incest?"
Do I really have to spell it out for you again? Very well, I'll do it yet AGAIN, since you didn't get the memo the first time. With polygamy and incest the parties involved are HUMAN, capable of consenting in regards to the said relationship.
Stop attempting to correlate my points with what's present in the Bible or Mormonism, I haven't brought up anything in connection to it, so I have no idea why you're even doing it.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 No moron, YOU brought up incest, YOU brought up Polygamy so Mormons practice this to this day so take it up with them. They are at the forefront of the Anti Gay Hate Agenda so shut the fuck up.
And what about Trans Genders? After extensive operations to be who they are and have changed by LAW their sex, can they then marry Mr fucking Run the world his way?
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
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Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Btw, Polygamy is illegal, has been and yet some certain sects of the Mormon church to this day still practice it. Are you going after them as well?
And no, gays are allowed marriage here in Canada and as of yet, NO ONE is fighting for incestous marriage or polygamy. NO ONE.
Quit with the scare tactics and conspiracy theories....AGAIN!
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@Samc023 I frequently try to talk to those who oppose equality and they are forever doing exactly what you're doing, trying to connect homosexuality to bestiality, pedophilia and polygamy (in case I talked to someone who said necrophilia should be made legal). The issue in front of us all is that of gay rights, not the right of an adult to rape a child. Would you please explain what you mean by choice of genetics? I know I can't choose my genes, so how did you pull it off?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"trying to connect homosexuality to bestiality, pedophilia and polygamy"
Actually, I wasn't trying to connect homosexuality to those per se. I am however want to draw attention to claims of so-called fairness and "equality". If you support same sex marriage then that is your prerogative, but realize that there exist others that also break from the traditional mold, which includes polygamy and incestuous relationships, therefore you should support those as well.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"I can't choose my genes, so how did you pull it off?"
Huh? When did I claim one can choose their genes? did you even read my post? as I recall you were very vocal regarding your unsubstantiated pedophilia claim, which you also conveniently ignored. Gay rights basically hinges on whether or not homosexuality is immutable like ones race, yet that hasn't even been proven. I'm talking about fairness, clearly you're partial to only one kind of fairness, which is to gays.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 You said " regardless of choice of genetics" so apparently you think we can choose our genes. I read your post and it's no different than the others I read from those who are opposed to gay rights. If you want to champion the cause of pedophilia, bestiality and polygamy go right ahead and do that. I haven't heard of movements that support any of these. I've seen how gays are treated and they deserve better, so I support the cause. Don't try to put words into my mouth asshole.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
" regardless of choice of genetics" s
Let me clarify. I meant regardless of choice OR genetics, excuse the typo, but I figured you could easily discern the context. As far as me opposing gay rights, I'm actually indifferent regarding the matter. And while movements that champion such particular causes are nowhere the size of the gay community that still doesn't negate their existence, if anything it only shows how partial and hypocritical you truly are regarding other groups.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I'm interested in GAY RIGHTS, and I've been supporting it for a while. You didn't listen to a thing I said and you don't know what you're talking about. Ever since I became involved in gay rights I keep seeing comments about how if homosexual marriage is legal then other things should be made legal. I'm trying to stick to the issue at hand, those other things you mentioned have nothing to do with gay rights and people keep trying to make a connection between them, it's insulting!
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"Don't try to put words into my mouth asshole."
I didn't, you did that all on your own. And what's with the ad hominem ? you're telling me that a poster who claims to be 36 years of age can't articulate a nice civil response regarding their views without resorting to juvenile name calling?
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I didn't put the correct information on my channel, I never use real information about me online. I am trying to stick to one issue and you want to talk about sexual acts, I'm talking about civil rights for homosexuals. You're talking about multiple marriages, sex with children and sex with animals. If there are people who want a 3 or more marriage than they can do that within their religion, but that's a cause I'm not following. You're pissing me off so yes I'm calling you an asshole
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot homosexuality is NOT genetic, it's a lifestyle choice.
That's why so many homosexuals switch back to normality, including many prisoners.
And the SPLC hates everyone in their bigoted little hate list
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 I'm not gay and I'm not a man asshole. Homosexuality isn't a choice, it's just the way some of us are born. Have you ever been to the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center? They keep track of hate groups and try to protect the public from those hate groups, they aren't a hate group. As for homosexuals "switching to normality" that isn't possible asshole. No one can change their sexual orientation, this has already been proven by the American Psychological Association.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@garysher3 "homosexuality is NOT genetic, it's a lifestyle choice.
That's why so many homosexuals switch back to normality, including many prisoners"
LOL, ok Dr Dip Shit know it all. You are an IDIOT.
Prisoners, at least most, are not gay. They are denied any contact with women and they turn to men for sexual release. This is a fact you simple prick.
Nice scare tactic however.....
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"I never use real information "
Interesting, so you're not actually an adult then? because if you are, then my point still stands (lol). Here you are talking about "civil rights" yet you lack even civility when it comes to views that differ from yours.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Poochalot
so yes I'm calling you an asshole
Precisely, the natural response for one who's foundation for their argument is weak to begin with. I was also talking about other relationships that are considered taboo in our culture, incest and polygamy, I wasn't talking about sex with animals or children. Everyone reading this thread can see your interest is gay rights, I suppose other issues or other oppressed minorities don't warrant your attention.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I am trying to support a good cause, I see words like pedophilia constantly associated with it and it sickens me. People are constantly trying to connect the two and its WRONG. I have no interest in supporting polygamy,do you think it should be legal? As far as I'm concerned people should be able to do what they want. See the thing is I don't see those other "taboos" as being attacked, I'm sure you've heard of Matt Sheppard and I want that kind of thing to stop, it has to!
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"See the thing is I don't see those other "taboos" as being attacked"
Probably because their supporters aren't currently trying to legalize those, yet. And yes, I've heard of Matthew Sheppard, but that has nothing to do with what I've been saying, and your attempts at exploiting his death to further your agenda is shameful to say the least.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 My "agenda" is to help the LGBT community gain full equal rights, I'm not using him at all asshole! So what are you saying? You want to talk about making other causes legal? If it's a worthwhile cause I would support it so stop trying to classify me in some way. If you want to know me then just check out any video that has to do with NOM, the Westboro Bigot Church, and gay rights. You don't know me, you read a few things I say when I'm pissed and then you judge me, who are you?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
" I'm not using him at all asshole!"
There you go again, every time you spew more juvenile rhetoric it only shows your hypocrisy but I'll give it another past. I'm judging you based off your board conduct, and it gives me ample room to discern the type of person you truly are. The fact that you can even be pissed is astounding. and that is why I judge you, civility and maturity over a sensitive topic goes a long way.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Yes this is a sensitive topic. My brother (who I love very much) is gay and it sickens me the way I see him treated. I am trying to be civil with you, but you're not making it easy. How would you feel if someone you loved was referred to as a pedophile just for being gay? I want this world to be a safe place for him, and with the constant bigotry against gays I get scared for him. What happened to Matt Sheppard could happen to him too. You don't know me, I'm more than a few words.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Samc023 Look out this guy Pooch is very hostile, bigoted and full of hate.
But then did you ever meet a happy homosexual?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3
"Pooch is very hostile, bigoted and full of hate."
I can tell. Funny how his/her sort always spewing how intolerant everyone else is, yet hypocritically ignore their own intolerance and hate, as if hatred is a one way street. I was under the impression that Pooch was a married heterosexual, but based off the responses and the fact that they acknowledged how they don't use their correct information its kinda hard to tell now.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 If you don't care about gay rights one way or the other why are you even here? Do you honestly think pedophilia should be made legal? Other than those idiots at NAMBLA I don't know any group that supports the rape of children. I don't think you understand how badly gays are treated, you just want to talk about other oppressed minorities. Yes I do care about them, no one should be oppressed; but this what I see if front of me, gay bashings, hate crimes, intolerance and cruelty.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"If you don't care about gay rights why are you even here? "
So in other words, my opinion has to be the same as yours in order to post here? Grow the hell up, this is a public forum, people should be able to post their views whether or not you agree with them. Drop the guilt trip as well, gays don't have a monopoly on mistreatment, that's the way of the world, no one is exempt . And when did I ever imply pedophilia should be made legal? yet oddly you keep insisting that.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 No your opinion doesn't have to be the same as mine, it was a question. Videos like this attract people who are either for or against gay rights and I don't understand why you wanted to see this. You brought up pedophilia, not me. I see it all the time when I try to talk to someone about gay rights, they bring up pedophilia. This is concerning gay rights and you don't care one way or the other, so why are you here? You're very judgmental of me and you don't even know me.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"attract people who are either for or against gay rights"
AND/OR, they can attract those who are actually indifferent regarding the matter. Its not exclusive to just those types. And I didn't bring up pedophilia genius, YOU were initially talking about when you made the claim that pedophiles aren't innately attracted to children. I did however bring up incest and polygamy.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Poochalot "You're very judgmental of me"
That surely didn't hinder you from judging me and calling me names, now did it?
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I called you an asshole because you made me angry when you started in with the whole pedophile thing. Have you gone through your whole life without losing your temper?
Poochalot 1 year ago
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@Poochalot
"Have you gone through your whole life without losing your temper?"
Of course not, but at the same time I don't have to resort to petty name calling to get my point across either. You should be against ALL types of oppression, not just ONE kind, involving ONE group, or is it that you simply don't care until it surfaces in your backyard.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Yes I am a short tempered woman, you can see that but like I said you don't know me. I'm sure you're a reasonable person, but I don't understand why you even came here! This is concerning GAY RIGHTS, and not the rights of other oppressed minorities, yet you come here and you want to talk about other minorities, WHY? Can you at least agree with me that gays don't have full equal rights? Do you see how badly gays are treated? It's cruel and it's wrong, do you see that at all?
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot Do you see how badly gays are treated?
I believe you're exaggerating now. Gays have it far better than those in say..Iran. And considering how so many positive gay characters saturate television in America and how politically vocal they are, I'm having a hard time believing some of the things you claim. Granted I'm not saying gays aren't oppressed, but not like you're saying.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 There you go again talking about other oppressed minorities. Sure they have it better than Iran, but tell me why I have more legal rights than my brother does? I think you should take a look at the gay rights movement, there is a lot of opposition to them. What about DADT? Is that a fair policy? Yes there are gay characters on TV that are shown in a positive light, things are better than they used to be but still not equal. I know more about the gay rights movement than you do.
Poochalot 1 year ago
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Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 It's almost 3 AM here so I'm going to bed. If you want to continue this discussion I'll be back online later today.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"I know more about the gay rights movement than you do"
You think that by having a gay brother and playing "protector" intrinsically means you have more acquired knowledge?, not likely. You'd be surprised at what some may know regarding the gay rights movement, or their movement in general.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I've been supporting the gay rights movement for several years now, and you said you don't care about gay rights so yes I know more than you do. I thought this was a fairly civil discussion, but you think otherwise. Not my problem. You want to help other oppressed minorities than you should go do that, I'm staying here and supporting gay rights. I tried to be civil with you, and believe me I can be very aggressive if I'm provoked so you have no idea how calm I've been with you.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
" so yes I know more than you do."
Indifference doesn't mean ignorance, so no, don't erroneously presume to know more than I do, you clearly don't. And no, this stopped being a civil discussion the moment you decided to throw a tantrum and call names. You weren't civil, so stop pretending you were.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Well since this is something of an argument at this point and we're not discussing the issue of gay rights there's really nothing to talk about. You're not opposed to gay rights and you don't support them; well that's all you're going to find here. I don't know what else to tell you. Yes I lost my temper with you, I get very angry when I see the word pedophilia alongside of homosexuality. I've been at this for years and it kills me to see how these people are treated by society.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"If you want to continue this discussion I'll be back online later today."
Why? what's the point? you're clearly unable to have a civil discussion regarding it.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 I actually was starting to think you were an OK person to talk to, but perhaps I was right in the first place. You don't care about gay rights and yet you come to a video that is obviously about gay rights. You approach me when you can see that I support gay rights and you want to talk to me about other oppressed minorities. If you care so much about Iraq then go there and do something about it. I will continue to support the cause, you do whatever you want. Goodbye
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Poochalot
"I actually was starting to think you were an OK person to talk to"
BS. You never thought that, otherwise you wouldn't have ad hominem from the start. You judged me from the very beginning, yet you have the audacity to complain about me doing the same thing.
And again, this is a public forum, I have a right to voice my views just as much as you do. Again, grow up and learn to accept the fact that others have a right to their views and expressing them as much as you do.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 How do you know what I think? Of course you have the right to be here, I was merely asking why you did. You still haven't answered me but obviously you're not going to. I didn't say you were ignorant of gay rights, but I have spent almost every day of the last few years working on supporting cause of gay rights and I don't think you have; so it's not out of line to say I know more about it than you do. Just know that we're discussing gay rights here, not other group rights.
Poochalot 1 year ago
@Samc023 What would you say to the parents of the recent gay teen suicide VICTIMS who were bullied to death at school?
You sound to me as if you are anti gay, and if it were blacks you were talking about, whom btw were forbidden to marry white women at one time, then you would get the same dam response.
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123 Nice to see you again, I've been dealing with all this by myself :)
Poochalot 1 year ago
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@fitasafiddle123
"recent gay teen suicide VICTIMS"
Huh?! What does gay bullying have to do with gay marriage? You sure know how to throw random smokescreens to deflect various issues. I can definitely tell that gay advocates read the same playbook, especially when it comes to exploiting the deaths of teens to incite some guilt trip tactic.
Samc023 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"You sound to me as if you are anti gay"
I suppose that means anyone and everyone who doesn't adhere to you ideology. BTW, since you clearly took it upon yourself to play the "whites couldn't marry blacks" card, do realize that that was in part due to the legacy of slavery and an attempt to keep the races separate. Interracial marriage never changed what the foundation of marriage was.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 It has nothing to do with race per blacks marrying whites, and try to keep up, it has to do with fighting for equality and the way you were BORN.
And btw, Marriage at one time genius, was considered a PAGAN ceremony, and frowned upon by Christians.
Marriage is not owned by some fairy tale story God....get out of the dark ages....PLEASE!
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"It has nothing to do with race per blacks marrying whites"
How old are you? You really don't know your history do you? Ever heard of
segregation? Blacks marrying whites was simply another facet of that. I'm not talking about the fight for equality because of immutable characteristics, I'm talking about why that law was made in the first place.
Samc023 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"Marriage at one time genius, was considered a PAGAN ceremony, and frowned upon by Christians."
Notice how you carefully crafted your words? "Pagan Ceremony" I know you're not obtuse enough to believe that marriage itself was an institution frowned upon, considering the founder of that faith spoke very candidly regarding the arrangement. I also love your vain attempts at deflection, considering I never said ANYTHING regarding the "ceremony" genius.
Samc023 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"Marriage is not owned by some fairy tale story God."
Which brings me to my next question. When did *I* specifically bring biblical theology or God into this discussion? The only one that's brought it up, and consistently I might add is YOU.
Apparently, this is *your* futile attempt to navigate the discussion over into theological territory. Coincidentally, you want others to get out of the dark ages, but those of you so vocal about gay rights deny that right to others.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 # I can definitely tell that gay advocates read the same playbook, especially when it comes to exploiting the deaths of teens to incite some guilt trip tactic."
That is so true!
They will try anything to avoid accepting personal responsibility for their own sad lifestyle choice
garysher3 1 year ago
@Samc023 Apparently, this is *your* futile attempt to navigate the discussion over into theological territory."
Homosexuals always vent their bigoted, hateful christiophobia even though many non-believers also oppose the vile spectre of homosexual marriage
garysher3 1 year ago
@Samc023 "YOU" brought up Polygamy, and the Mormons practice polygamy.
What part of that dont you get moron?
You are nothing more than another simple minded homophobic twat, with your lame ass scare tactics.
Go join the Westboro Baptist Cult you prick...lol
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
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@fitasafiddle123
"No moron, YOU brought up incest"
No kidding, I never denied bringing up incest, unfortunately that doesn't explain why YOU brought biblical theology. I don't need to remind you that polygamy pre-dates Mormons do I? So again, why are you even bringing up the Bible or Mormons? and can you at least avoid coming apart and resorting to ad hominem.
Samc023 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"Go join the Westboro Baptist Cult you prick...lol"
ROFL! In actuality, I believe fanatics like yourself absolutely love Fred Phelps and Westboro, without them imbeciles like yourself wouldn't be able to thrive and point fingers. If Westboro didn't exist, people like you would likely make them up.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Fred Phelps. Yes, i plan on taking a big hot stinking shit on his grave when this asshole dies.
You are no different than Fred, you only mask your intolerance to people (gays) that affect you NOT.
So can a hermaphrodite get married? What about a trans gender Mr know it all?
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"You are no different than Fred"
Really? How so? when did I say I was against gay marriage? and when were you condemned by me? Your answer will confirm whether or not you're a person of integrity and truth. How am I like Phelps?
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 How are you like Fred Phelps? How do i love Fred Phelps twat?
Fred just comes out and says "God Hates Fags"
YOU? You bring up polygamy and incest when talking about ss marriage! Dont hide behind your slithering homophobic bullshit
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"You bring up polygamy and incest when talking about ss marriage"
Sorry, that in no way makes me like Phelps, try again..........
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 Ummm, well yeah it does. sorry, you just slither your way around what a homophobe you are.
You in an indirect way, keep hate, intolerance towards gays alive, and you keep gay teen youth on the very fringe of killing themselves.
Congrats homophobe
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"Congrats homophobe"
ROFL so when ad hominem fails, play the homophobe card, LOL. Phelps message is about hate and condemnation. So according to your asinine logic polygamy and incest equates to hate and condemnation. You can't even see your own hypocrisy. Supporting gay marriage means you should by default support polygamist and incestuous couplings, not supporting those would be hypocritical, but of course you only want to be conservative on some things but not all.
Samc023 1 year ago
@Samc023 "Supporting gay marriage means you should by default support polygamist and incestuous couplings"
No, not at all. Incestuous relationships are harmful, unlike gay marriage, Polygamy is not allowed NOR will it be. Your attempts at homophobic scare tactics is so old.
You and Gary are both hateful towards gays and you try and hide it with your slithering ways.
You assholes dont want to take any blame for the intolerance and hate towards gays, so typical of cowardly homophobes like YOU
fitasafiddle123 1 year ago
@fitasafiddle123
"incestuous relationships are harmful"
Really? provide concrete evidence in which *a