Holy crap, did the man in the audience actually expect Hitchens to agree that Adam was the first man? I know he believes that, but is he so sheltered that he doesn't realize that there are people who don't? Does he not understand that atheists don't believe in his "holy" book?
I don't agree with Denison's answer about the Bible here (that it really resolves the issues), but I think it's at least more interesting, and even if flawed, more genuinely telling, of his views and why he holds them than a lot of the logical backflipping, emotional appeal and insistence on the transcendental power of incredulity that these guys do (himself included). And Hitch's statement at the end is just awesome.
2 billion years of evolved life, 250 thousand -100 thousand years as humans, we are an ancient alien civilization, at least to any other star in the universe.
Atonement? So the perfect God had to go back and give atonement? So he changed his mind? Or, made a mistake? Or figured, torture the monkey I will fix it when I am done?
@~03:00 The 5th christian basically says that ignorance is bliss, and that he'll fill the gaps of his knowledge with "god did it" because he's not smart enough or is just too lazy to seek other possible answers as all will be revealed in the other side of life/eternity. This kind of thinking is called closed minded and can not be reasoned with.
Geez whenever William Lane Craig speaks it's like dark clouds blacking out the sun killing all life on earth. The man is a walking, talking boring weapon of mass destruction.
It is not as in the Bible, that god created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created god in his own image. - Ludwig Feuerbach
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus
Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. - Chapman Cohen
"I'm beginning to learn that there are mysteries that I won't have all the answers to". And there you see the problem with religion in a nutshell. Why try to cure cancer? Why try to learn about the cosmos? We know everything we need to know, let's just sit around and read the Bible and wait for sweet death. No thank you.
The easier example for saying God's revelation is silly:
Say, until the age of 85, you never knew your father, than one day he shows up and says he's watched you your whole life (all the good all the bad) but now he is here to say he loves you.
@switchftable No one is saying they KNOW there is no god. They're saying that there is no credible evidence to support the existence of god, therefore belief in it is unnecessary and most likely wrong.
They're also saying that IF god does exist, and IF he(she/it/???) is as described in the Bible, then he is a tyrant-jerk of Biblical (heh heh) proportions.
@DecayConstant Saying there is no credible evidence to support the existence of God is just an opinion :\ and by your atheistic point of view by what standard do you have to say who is a tyrant and a jerk how do you know??
@Blackopjeff An opinion perhaps, but not an unfounded one. The difference between a scientific approach and a faith-based approach is this: The scientific approach says, "We don't know what the truth is, so let's look at the evidence before us, experiment upon it, and see where it leads us." The faith-based approach is, "We already know the Truth, now let's present the evidence in a way to support our belief."
@Blackopjeff Admission that you don't know the answer in science is its strength, because it leaves you open to possible explanations (but you have to have evidence for them). In religion, not knowing is seen as a failing because the object is not to learn, but to "be right." With this attitude, there's no room for progress, and such Christians tend to be interested in knowledge only inasmuch as it supports their preconceived notions. To them "you don't know" means "we're right." But it doesn't.
@DecayConstant I didn't say "to know" I said "to say". That's the point. You can't know everything. The only ones who say that the Bible describes God as a tyrant-jerk. Can't read or can't put two and two together.
@switchftable We don't claim to know everything, but it doesn't take a lot of intellect to know that theist rhetoric and explanations of existence are complete bullshit. You should look up the definition of a default position, that will really clarify why we can say based on the reality we live in that there is no evidence for "god".
@3209486 I agree completely. I've never seen a moderator try so hard to get in on the action. With just one statement the moderator handed the entire debate to Hitchens by making the statement that he was not as strong or intelligent as Hitchens is. Way to prove a point. He might as well have said "I'm too idiotic to understand scientific principles and blatant evidence supporting evolution I might as well believe in Jesus and the God from outer space!"
It's amazing to see these guys unashamedly displaying such confidence that they know where the boundary is between the natural and supernatural. Of course, theists have been doing that for thousands of years with a non-existent batting average. But alas, that certainly doesn't deter these guys from peddling their wares to the gullible.
jesus christ!!!! right near the end of that hitch had finally had enough and very politely to basically everyone in attendance to bugger off... i must confess my dick got a little hard... that was gorgeous... "i will not be spoken to in that tone"... kick ass!!!!!
to me it's funny that of all theist questions posed to mr. hitchens, the most intelligent have been absolutely littered with "ums" and "uhs" and "likes" and so forth... the eloquent members of the audience have asked moronic questions while the gentlemen who sound like idiots have actually asked the more intelligent questions... which hitch pwned of course... i wish there had been at least one intelligent thiest on this panel... believe it or not, or perhaps have faith or not... they do exist
this guy needs to quit calling himself a "moderator" and use his real title..."undereducated and self-pitying buffoon who cant keep his 14 year old intellect to himself"
this guy needs to quit calling himslef a "moderator" and use his real title..."undereducated and self-pitying buffoon who cant keep his 14 year old intellect to himself"
Dammit Christopher, you didnt answer his question, he asked where do you get these numbers....FROM MODERN ARCHEOLOGISTS RESEARCH (ALL 120+ YEARS OF IT)
people who literally believe i am going to hell for not believing in their dogma are SOCIOPATHS. maybe in every other aspect your normal, and i know and love people liek this, but if you seriously believe that people who dont accept your god are going to burn in hell for eternity is psychotic and i dare to say the world would be a better place if that mind set did not exist at all, in any form. it is fucking disgusting and grossly arrogant. but they wanna say athesists are arrogant???
@SelfAware1 Just because it's wildly popular doesn't mean it's not an apocalyptic death cult. Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate, David Koresh, Christianity, all the same to me. Jesus said to take no thought for the morrow because the world was soon ending. It didn't, of course, he wasn't a king despite Jewish prophecy, but the flying zombie is coming any day to whisk us to a cloud for the Rapture. The "Left Behind" series is batshit and sold 65+ million copies. We live in a world of mad cultists.
You know what would change our lives in the present tense today?
If the Bible had told us 2000 years ago how to split the atom, or explore the cosmos, or the actual age of the universe, or its actual origins, or how to sustain nuclear fusion, or any other practice of demonstrable fact before it was known. That would really change our lives.
I find it ironic that at 6:15 a well educated man can compare The Lord of the Rings to the Bible and not see the irony in that both are mythologies that aren't real.
@Thulgore dude once I met a jew girl from Israel, who was mocking of mormons cause "they said angels have no wings" and that was non sense because of course angels " have wings" (or the other way around) the fact was hilarious. These religious ppl are totally NUTS.
Even the word 'atheist' is almost an admition that god exists! Its just another political lable thats withstood the test of time. Its a secret handshake with a wink saying, "i don't believe in you"... people who arn't interested in religion don't go and knock on doors spouting phoney, religious rhetoric!
Nobody really believes in God! All who profess to, are simply afraid to let go of the guilt and fear indoctrinated by parental influence at childhood. You may notice that the 'Believers' in this video are all very nervous and unsure of what they're talking about, particullaly in the way in which they speak . It comes across quite clearly the difficulty they have in thier flacid mental ability, stringing sentances together! Too much humming and erming!
There is no evidence for a god, therefore, in my opinion, it is foolish to believe in such a being.
However, when arguing against Christians, a lot of what he says falls back on basic ad hominem attacks on 'god'. Having said that, I understand that when arguing with people who won't see sense or reason, and pay no heed to evidence, you don't have a great deal of choice.
Haha, big lover of Hitchens, and 100% atheist. But this was an entertaining series of videos, and these guys have been some of the smartest I've seen arguing against him.
I agree with him, but his evasiveness in this debate is more obvious than it usually is. He's a great speaker, but let's face it, he can fall back on arguments that are convincing only because of his eloquence, not because of the validity of the arguments themselves.
i love hitchens response to the loaded question the last questioner asked. eternal hell is the dealbreaker which makes christianity inherently wicked.
"by what standard" fuck Wilson is such a smug, ignorant prick. That's all he has, a baseless claim that his camp has the monopoly on the ability to make moral statements. Wilson, the book you so rigidly hold to, was made by humans. Fallible humans who were quite ignorant in fact. You dolt.
if we are made in the image of god shouldn't we expect some synchronicity between god's thoughts and our own be expected? we're not physically in god's image, are we?
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God will judge you for orthorizing stem cell research. Life begins at conception, these 'scientists' have no right to kill children. Good on that wonderful Christian man who shot the abortion doctor in the US. Abortionists are murderers. The Bible says "thou shall not murder". A murder is an unlawful killing. According to the Bible, we can kill those who commit acts of murder, including abortionists and these so called 'scientists'.
according to the bible bats are birds and the earth is 6000 years old, it's written by sheep herders in the middle east, so yes, you pray to a middle east god.. do you like people from the middle east?
"Good on that wonderful Christian man who shot the abortion doctor in the U.S. Abortionists are murderers."
Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins both quoted a man whose name escapes me that says "Without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
That man had single handedly twisted his own doctrine and used it as he saw fit. In this case you assume you know god's will regardless of the direct commandment he has given you.
Meryl Streep in the movie Doubt said it best, and I surely hope this is a quote in your bible, "In the pursuit of wrong-doing one steps away from god"
And then again, Jesusorder, the Bible authorises abortions at one point and even gives details of how to do them
But claiming that a clump of few hundred cells in a petri dish has a soul is baseless. What if that clump later divides into two people, or three, or when twin fetuses recombine into one... where's the second soul gone?
When you believe things you don't understand it's just criminal to want to impose them on others
The thing that insults me most about religious people is that as an atheist.
I can be respectful of some ones ridiculous beliefs as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat. A religious person cannot accept that I am an atheist and will try and convince me I'm wrong quoting scriptures and spurious "scientific" evidence and when I rebuke their answers they revert to I MUST have faith.
The bible, koran, torah says so.
Harry Potter said adava cadavra it's a book as well.
rrtodd, try Winnie the Pooh - it contains some pretty enduring wisdom. Seriously! Read it as an adult. But please, no one make a bloody religion out of it.
let me get this straight. god created time and space, thousands trillions of planets, billions of galaxies, so that there would be just one species on this speck of dust called earth that would be redeemed and worship him? sorry, little hard to believe..
Amazing how many delusional people there are still. I mean I can understand soldiers in a fox hole or desert dwellers two thousand years ago believing this nonsense but grown men in the 21st century?
With all these gullible people about, I know I could make loads of money being a spiritual healer, however I'm too honest to lie to people. I have very little money at the moment and yet my 'atheist' morals (allegedly we are immoral) stops me from doing so :( I pray that I can become as immoral as the Pope ;)
The church locked a man away because he told them the earth did not remain still. Hence we have Galileo's story of the church charging a bright mind with heresy . Barring embryonic stem cell research, book burnings over the Harry Potter series, Darwin removed from libraries.The Crusades, Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, forcing Native American children into Christian schools, to change their names to Christian names, banning the Ghost dance and the Sun dance...ad nauseum
in order to believe in the bible people would have to take the whole thing as the word of god and therefore be perfect. i dont understand how these people can say that adam was the first man and then turn around and completely contradict themselves admitting that humans have been around for more than 6,000 years. i have read the bible and i want to know what gives certain people the right to decide which parts in the bible are literal and which are metaphorical.
well that's always been the problem. People pick and choose what they want to believe and what they want to omit. I'm not sure what the actual percentage is but I would be willing to bet that the number of Christians that have actually read the bible from cover to cover is very few. As an atheist, I've tried to read it and got up to and through Leviticus. It's revolting.
What an insult of hitchens extreme intellect to be subject to this mindless stupification. We need to cleanse the planet of these treasonous members of my species. Human fail religion is. just aweful
Why do atheist care what I believe or don't believe? If you believe that we are just creatures following a pattern of genetic patterns, then you believe that christian are just doing what comes natural to their genetic pattern. You can't change who I am by arguing.
Nature and nurture. Nature is your genes. Nurture is your life experience. If we could safely remove any and all negative genetic patterns, we would. Genes will determine how smart you are, but life determines how much you learn.
I don't know if arguing changes people or not. No one argued with me when I was a Christian. Looking back, I wish they had. I wish I hadn't lived in a bubble. Now, I'm in the position to make those arguments, and I intend to make them for anyone who listens.
We all live in a bubble, weather we like it or not. None of us are truly free in this life. Natural and moral Laws confine us and keep us in line, and death has it's shackles on all.
No, but you can change by becoming educated and not basing your life on superstition and fear of the unknown. Societies generally evolve and knowledge usually increases but you are fighting against human nature to seek less fear and more benefits to survival prospects for offspring. Trying to go back to the dark ages and before willingly is actually reducing the viability of your genetic material carrying on, the first order of business of being alive. Really ignorant societies die out.
We care not about what you do to yourselves by being backward and ignorant but we care very much that you are trying to force your vision of a pre-literate society on the rest of us, wanting to stamp out knowledge and respect for fact and reason, to promote religious based wars, trying to prevent our children from getting a knowledge based education, controlling public secular policy. Yes we care very much that you want to destroy the world to live an afterlife with a fictitious non-existent god
Where are you observing life from, Mars? Where does a Christian lifestyle lead anyone back to the dark ages. Have you've read the Bible? 365 times the Bible says to NOT fear. And before you post something about fearing God, one of the Hebrew words for fear is ya're, which means to respect.
OH POOR YOU, PITY, PITY how do stand to pressure of us big bad christians forcing our VISION on you. poor you. Give me a BREAK!! When did sharing become forcing. STOP THE LIES!!
It comes down to you and everyone else fighting against the laws of life. You can't escape it so stand on your soapbox and point at everybody else. But you can't admit that you might be wrong.
Our war is not against flesh and blood. You don't even realize that you're a pawn in the game. You don't even realize that you have lived by the laws of God all of your life.
Last point: There is a God, His love is unconditional. Fight against that.
Yes dark ages. In every theocracy, including the US thought, advances in medicine, science, civil rights, human rights, freedom and equality it the religious has fought with words, money, wars and subterfuge. All the attempts to ban books, or knowledge that is even going on now is based on fear of ignorant myth believers trying to stop enlightenment. That was the dark ages and that view is re-surging in the US and Middle East increasing ignorance and hate.
Everybody knows about the Tyranny of religion have oppressed people. That's why are forefathers came to America.
Now give me an example of how Christianity has stopped enlightenment. Please give me a list of the books that have been banned. (This should be interesting.)
BUT where has Christianity fought against advances in medicine, science, civil rights, human rights, freedom and equality.
If Christians are to blame for preventing the extration of embryonic stem cells, then I am proud of that. Being that, there are better ways and other places to find stem cells. I do not want to be judged for supporting the taking of life or preventing lives.
I pray scientist can find a way to use the stem cells but not at such a high cost. I myself suffer from seizures. Not only does it cripple me, but also my wife and kids. I will never support abusing
Stem cell 'scientists' are nothing but scum. They murder children to correct lifestyle choices of Americans. Diabetes, faggot induced AIDS, colon cancer caused by sodomy and fag sex, all these things are lifestyle choices. No cures needed, they are punishments from God for vile sins. Repent now
Jesusorder, what's the punishment for wilfull ignorance? You have every chance to correct it but choose laziness & hatred - Jesus must be so proud
MOST people with colon cancer have never had anal sex. (sodomy AND fag sex? lol). It has correlations with poor diet, eg processed meats, alkaloids from high temperature cooking (fries, chips, crunchy coatings) & lack of dietary fibre
God's punishment, eh? So why does he inflict it most on the nation containing more Christians than any other?
@switchftable The only reason you believe your Christianity isn't bad is because you lack information. Look at the ramifications of Christianity GOING ON RIGHT NOW in Uganda. Thanks to a bunch of idiotic Christians that condemn homosexuality, the government of Uganda wants to (or has?) enact/ed a law that will imprison and/or execute gay people AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS GAY. Or look at the Christians who are spreading lies about condom use (because they say it's sinful) in Africa!
@switchftable Regarding my previous reply- how is the effect of the Christian vision being forced on Africa anything other than deplorable AND wicked? I've only picked TWO things.
@KaraZiasapiens The basis of Christianity is to love God and to love others as yourself. Anything other than that is not Godly, Holy, or biblical for that matter. You cannot pin the stupid things we do on the teachings of Christ.
@switchftable Why do you need religion to love others? It's a poor and very lame excuse for needing religion. I have helped my community and have saved lives without the need for religion. Religion is totally redundant.
@mikeyo1234 I agree. You don't need religion to love others. I'm not making excuses to need religion. Religion is nothing more than a ritual of worship. My statement was in response to a previous statement. Christ came to love and forgive. I want to follow His example of love. It is flawless.
@switchftable we care cause in the 21st century we have people like the pope Evangelist radical Muslims etc etc who are on pushing their agenda all day. as an agnostic i dont mind what u believe in your own house but this is not the case of the public figures of religion who try constantly to change nations to their religions
@alias12 There is zero evidence for the existence of God. It's so likely 'he' doesn't exist then why are you agnostic? Are you an agnostic in regard to believing in fairies too? That's a serious question.
@mikeyo1234 I believe you should check out some books for the evidence of God (Reasonable Faith, The Miracle of Theism: Arguments For and Against the Existence of God, The Son Rises, Hard Questions, Real Answers, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview) I'm sure there's many, many more. Until you take such a significant view on life, I believe it deserves some research. Luckily, many great minds have already taken on the task of research, all you have to do is read about it.
@CONNERtheBUSH There is no evidence. If there is then please provide it here. Note that mumbo jumbo made up BS is not allowed. It has to be tangible evidence. If you do manage to provide evidence then you will be the first person EVER.
Science has had religion on the run since year dot. Every few years religion finally admits it is wrong and science is right (e.g. Earth orbits Sun and not the other way around), big bang and evolution (Pope recently said that science is right), Bad luck pal.
I love how the last questioner tries to twist threatening "non-believers" with eternal hellfire into a KINDNESS, because they're trying to "save" them with "God's word".
It's rather like a Neo-Nazi thinking he's performing a noble duty by approaching non-racist white people, and warning them that marrying a black person will "soil the purity of their white blood".
When the "truth" you go around telling people is evil garbage, it is not a kindness to share it.
I don't want to believe in the existence of the hundreds of thousands of gods inthe history of mankind either, but that's not going to stop me from believing in ALL of them!
At 5:08 Dennison accuses Hitchens of not believing that humans could have been here for 98K years before God decided to intervene because "he didn't like it". Hitchens responded that his lack of belief was because "it is in the highest degree improbable", which "is" a reasonable opinion to have. Then at the end of this debate, Craig tries to sway the audience again by accusing Hitchens of just not "liking it". Was that bonehead even listening the first time.
...or anything of that sort of recognition. Then someone asks a question. How do you know it's a ball and how do you know what it's doing? Theists would say, I don't know, but I just know. HUH??? the rational person would answer.
Faith is NOT by any stretch a relationship. At all. The two are completely different.
A relationship is by definition an interaction between two interacting bodies. How can one interact with something you cannot relate to within all 5 senses. Now that we have established that, how can we propose that there a thing in the first place? It's like having a black jar, covered with a lid. Now we propose that there a pink ball inside it, we know what it's doing, though we cannot see it, hear, or...
If the christian is certain the non-believer will go to hell, it's only moral to evangelize. However, they must be pragmatic, and admit that when there are children in Nigeria that are being murdered because they are believed to be witches, it's for the benefit of all mankind to accept that there are boundaries, and we must respect them.
Yes, but the problem is the Christian is not certain (that's why it's called faith). He pretends to be certain. And to tell someone that they will go to hell for not sharing the same belief, is immoral. And even if it were true, that's an immoral truth. Nazis tortured and killed people. True, but still immoral. So even if Christianity were proven, 100% correct, it would still be immoral comparable to Hitler and his regime.
Well I don't have a beef with those christians (majority) who accept that they're believing whatever in faith, not that they are absolutely 100% certain as creationists are, claiming to have the facts on their side. It's when it goes beyond what I call a "personal belief" that religion becomes something poisonous.
As long as the christians accept a secular society, simply trying to convert with faith, but promoting secular values and scientific fact, I don't have a beef with them.
Well as Christopher Hitchins pointed out, whether that person keeps it to themselves or not, that person is an incredibly wicked and delusional person if they think that everyone will suffer and burn for not accepting Christ. I'm surprised the questioner had the nerve to acknowledge that belief, and then actually stick up for it. If a person has racist beliefs, we should not tolerate that either, whether kept to themselves or not.
There is no greater debater on this planet than the icon that is Christopher Hitchens. Anyone who ignores the sense of his argument is obviously not listening with an open mind. Go Hitch!!
"well, my attitude toward someone who says, 'i have a meek and mild savior for you, and if you don't like it, you can burn forever and be tortured infinitely'...is that they are a wicked and delusional idiot...and i decline to be spoken to in that tone of voice...that is the language of fascism and dictatorship.
it's directly immoral and it's a very great relief to know that it's completely mythical; that there isn't a rag of truth to the story."
well because man can explain some mysteries of today they input it to a god ,well remember cause in the past could not explain mental illness we explain it by possession of evil or a saint depending of is action but today we know best and aint nothing to do with god or evil ,so over all i hope men is gonna stop to explain thing that they do not understand by putting a divine intervention (bad or good)and say only that you do not understand or know how,when what ,where ect,, be humble
At 9:52, the moderator told Hitchens "I'm glad you have the freedom to say your beliefs and I'm glad I live in a society where I have the freedom to share my beliefs as well"
Exactly right. A society with a "secular" constitution that specifically separates religion from the state. Throughout history, in societies where religion (including christianity) controls the state, such freedoms don't exist. Even today, religion keeps trying to take control because they think we have too much freedom.
Can someone point out a case where religion (any religion) has ever been able to demonstrate that their supernatural explanation for anything is superior to any other supernatural explanation. However, slowly but surely, science keeps chipping away at all the supernatural explanations that clergy keep vomiting on us.
let me tell you that religions only explain things by god cause they can not explain thing remember the time when they could not explain mantal illness they said that their where posses or they where saint but today we can explain some of it and aint nothing to do with god think of amily rose who can contorsion her self today it is known as hysteria of conversion
STrobel, Strobel, Strobel... un be frickin lievable. I have never, out side of personal debates with zealous local yokels, seen such a pathetic apologist.
not sure which debate you were watching, the christians have nothing to offer, hitchens called out their errors of judgement repeatedly but as usual the only response when it comes down to it is that its in the bible and they have a gut feeling that it is true.
Oh ya and richy i see you have made this comment in other videos (seems like almost the exact wording) and you offer nothing "LOZ HE GOT OWWNEED!!!111" what are you 13 years old? grow up
Fallacious around 1:20. Sorry Hitchens.
TheUSBcable 2 months ago
Holy crap, did the man in the audience actually expect Hitchens to agree that Adam was the first man? I know he believes that, but is he so sheltered that he doesn't realize that there are people who don't? Does he not understand that atheists don't believe in his "holy" book?
YY4Me133 4 months ago
This is actually Hitchens vs 5 christians btw and he is killing them.
SaintKines 4 months ago 2
What if humans moved to another planet and survived and after the earth was destroyed then what would happen?
Requiemxtoxinnocence 4 months ago
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"What if humans moved to another planet and survived and after the earth was destroyed then what would happen?"
Then they'd wreck that planet as well.
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago
I don't agree with Denison's answer about the Bible here (that it really resolves the issues), but I think it's at least more interesting, and even if flawed, more genuinely telling, of his views and why he holds them than a lot of the logical backflipping, emotional appeal and insistence on the transcendental power of incredulity that these guys do (himself included). And Hitch's statement at the end is just awesome.
kreskinkun 5 months ago
9.14 are the words of the Modern Elightenment. Bravo Hitch. KEEP GOING!!!
wilhelmfurtwangler 6 months ago
also the guy with the stick at the end was like "rabble rabble rabble"
JuanchoMan 6 months ago
2 billion years of evolved life, 250 thousand -100 thousand years as humans, we are an ancient alien civilization, at least to any other star in the universe.
JuanchoMan 6 months ago
Atonement? So the perfect God had to go back and give atonement? So he changed his mind? Or, made a mistake? Or figured, torture the monkey I will fix it when I am done?
Rocketryman 7 months ago
@~03:00 The 5th christian basically says that ignorance is bliss, and that he'll fill the gaps of his knowledge with "god did it" because he's not smart enough or is just too lazy to seek other possible answers as all will be revealed in the other side of life/eternity. This kind of thinking is called closed minded and can not be reasoned with.
Jebez42 7 months ago
Geez whenever William Lane Craig speaks it's like dark clouds blacking out the sun killing all life on earth. The man is a walking, talking boring weapon of mass destruction.
ourblu 7 months ago
oh look someone made a joke and everyone laughs and the mood is lightened
then WLC talks and all light in the world dies
detahdomo 7 months ago 12
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"then WLC talks and all light in the world dies"
And everybody who listens carefully spontaneously loses at least 10 IQ points. The man is a monumentally bastion of stupidity.
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago 2
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I feel discriminated against. Rofl
overether 8 months ago
It is not as in the Bible, that god created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created god in his own image. - Ludwig Feuerbach
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus
Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. - Chapman Cohen
PHOSPH3R 8 months ago 9
"I'm beginning to learn that there are mysteries that I won't have all the answers to". And there you see the problem with religion in a nutshell. Why try to cure cancer? Why try to learn about the cosmos? We know everything we need to know, let's just sit around and read the Bible and wait for sweet death. No thank you.
hammertime419 9 months ago
The easier example for saying God's revelation is silly:
Say, until the age of 85, you never knew your father, than one day he shows up and says he's watched you your whole life (all the good all the bad) but now he is here to say he loves you.
Ummmm does that work for you?
willdrake1 10 months ago
Wow.... I actually did stop reading half-way through Two Towers and did exactly that... amazing! :)
blashthumm 10 months ago
Funny how William Lane Craig just seems stunned in silence when he cant quote his "onotological vs epistological" script in a discussion
rAz0rBaCk1990 10 months ago 2
To say there is no God would mean someone has to have knowledge of %100 of everything in the universe. Anyone here know everything? I KNOW I don't.
switchftable 11 months ago
@switchftable No one is saying they KNOW there is no god. They're saying that there is no credible evidence to support the existence of god, therefore belief in it is unnecessary and most likely wrong.
They're also saying that IF god does exist, and IF he(she/it/???) is as described in the Bible, then he is a tyrant-jerk of Biblical (heh heh) proportions.
DecayConstant 11 months ago
@DecayConstant Saying there is no credible evidence to support the existence of God is just an opinion :\ and by your atheistic point of view by what standard do you have to say who is a tyrant and a jerk how do you know??
Blackopjeff 11 months ago
@Blackopjeff An opinion perhaps, but not an unfounded one. The difference between a scientific approach and a faith-based approach is this: The scientific approach says, "We don't know what the truth is, so let's look at the evidence before us, experiment upon it, and see where it leads us." The faith-based approach is, "We already know the Truth, now let's present the evidence in a way to support our belief."
sazji 10 months ago
@Blackopjeff Admission that you don't know the answer in science is its strength, because it leaves you open to possible explanations (but you have to have evidence for them). In religion, not knowing is seen as a failing because the object is not to learn, but to "be right." With this attitude, there's no room for progress, and such Christians tend to be interested in knowledge only inasmuch as it supports their preconceived notions. To them "you don't know" means "we're right." But it doesn't.
sazji 10 months ago
@DecayConstant I didn't say "to know" I said "to say". That's the point. You can't know everything. The only ones who say that the Bible describes God as a tyrant-jerk. Can't read or can't put two and two together.
switchftable 10 months ago
@switchftable We don't claim to know everything, but it doesn't take a lot of intellect to know that theist rhetoric and explanations of existence are complete bullshit. You should look up the definition of a default position, that will really clarify why we can say based on the reality we live in that there is no evidence for "god".
ajax515 10 months ago
This debate is a great example of why you shouldn't hand a microphone to the average religious audience member.
SirBenthr 11 months ago
should be Hitchens Vs 5 Christians... somebody fucking shut the moderator up...
3209486 1 year ago 2
@3209486 I agree completely. I've never seen a moderator try so hard to get in on the action. With just one statement the moderator handed the entire debate to Hitchens by making the statement that he was not as strong or intelligent as Hitchens is. Way to prove a point. He might as well have said "I'm too idiotic to understand scientific principles and blatant evidence supporting evolution I might as well believe in Jesus and the God from outer space!"
GlenBird 1 year ago
Every time Dr. Craig opens his mouth everyone thinks to themselves, *groaaaan here we go*
TheParticlePerson 1 year ago
9:35 Applause break for Hitchens at a christian book fair, breathtaking
ElSalvador50 1 year ago 3
It's amazing to see these guys unashamedly displaying such confidence that they know where the boundary is between the natural and supernatural. Of course, theists have been doing that for thousands of years with a non-existent batting average. But alas, that certainly doesn't deter these guys from peddling their wares to the gullible.
fusedchromosome 1 year ago
That dude at the end sounds similar to Hovin. Poor guy.
Domzdream 1 year ago
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"No one comes to the father except through me"="My way or the highway"
Christian morality in a nutshell
ateopuertorico 1 year ago
jesus christ!!!! right near the end of that hitch had finally had enough and very politely to basically everyone in attendance to bugger off... i must confess my dick got a little hard... that was gorgeous... "i will not be spoken to in that tone"... kick ass!!!!!
ryansling 1 year ago 4
to me it's funny that of all theist questions posed to mr. hitchens, the most intelligent have been absolutely littered with "ums" and "uhs" and "likes" and so forth... the eloquent members of the audience have asked moronic questions while the gentlemen who sound like idiots have actually asked the more intelligent questions... which hitch pwned of course... i wish there had been at least one intelligent thiest on this panel... believe it or not, or perhaps have faith or not... they do exist
ryansling 1 year ago
I can't wait to enjoy my beer volcano.
Alaric11 1 year ago
this guy needs to quit calling himself a "moderator" and use his real title..."undereducated and self-pitying buffoon who cant keep his 14 year old intellect to himself"
mikeofstedal 1 year ago 2
this guy needs to quit calling himslef a "moderator" and use his real title..."undereducated and self-pitying buffoon who cant keep his 14 year old intellect to himself"
mikeofstedal 1 year ago 2
young man clearly fishing for someone to support his crazy Young Earth beliefs...
lefredvoncarstein 1 year ago
Dammit Christopher, you didnt answer his question, he asked where do you get these numbers....FROM MODERN ARCHEOLOGISTS RESEARCH (ALL 120+ YEARS OF IT)
MrKevMan 1 year ago
people who literally believe i am going to hell for not believing in their dogma are SOCIOPATHS. maybe in every other aspect your normal, and i know and love people liek this, but if you seriously believe that people who dont accept your god are going to burn in hell for eternity is psychotic and i dare to say the world would be a better place if that mind set did not exist at all, in any form. it is fucking disgusting and grossly arrogant. but they wanna say athesists are arrogant???
SelfAware1 1 year ago
@SelfAware1 Just because it's wildly popular doesn't mean it's not an apocalyptic death cult. Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate, David Koresh, Christianity, all the same to me. Jesus said to take no thought for the morrow because the world was soon ending. It didn't, of course, he wasn't a king despite Jewish prophecy, but the flying zombie is coming any day to whisk us to a cloud for the Rapture. The "Left Behind" series is batshit and sold 65+ million copies. We live in a world of mad cultists.
JiangZiyaTabooDays 1 year ago 2
@JiangZiyaTabooDays your right my friend. absolutly. haha teh flying zombie! i love it.
SelfAware1 1 year ago
@JiangZiyaTabooDays - 'amen' my fellow atheist brother. Well-HITCHSLAPPED.
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
I certainly hope that no one gives money to the ministry of the guy who is the moderator. They're getting ripped off.
MrWagman11 1 year ago
Religion is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Jammed9000 1 year ago
@Jammed9000
What problem would that be?
purereligion127 1 year ago
@purereligion127
There is no problem. That's the point of my comment.
Jammed9000 1 year ago
@Jammed9000
Okay, what non-existent problem?
purereligion127 1 year ago
Five against Hitch and he still beats their ass
zackindy312 1 year ago 3
@zackindy312
Assuming there was a fight...
purereligion127 1 year ago
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@purereligion127 "But we both know the truth, don't we?"
"We" sure do!
"We" are watching you evade and flee when "we" call you on your false claims.
If you had ANY kind of "truth" behind those claims, we'd have seen it by now.
Why ARE religious posters always so dishonest and cowardly?
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
4:09
You know what would change our lives in the present tense today?
If the Bible had told us 2000 years ago how to split the atom, or explore the cosmos, or the actual age of the universe, or its actual origins, or how to sustain nuclear fusion, or any other practice of demonstrable fact before it was known. That would really change our lives.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun
I object:
The fact that God did not do as you wish (save one) in His Holy Revelation is evidence that He knows what He is doing w/fallen creatures.
purereligion127 1 year ago
@purereligion127
No, it isn't.
rkyeun 1 year ago
@rkyeun
Yes, it is. Why do I feel like a child?
purereligion127 1 year ago
@purereligion127
Well, I hesitate to make the obvious response to that, so consider yourself outmaneuvered and we'll let you save some face.
rkyeun 1 year ago
I find it ironic that at 6:15 a well educated man can compare The Lord of the Rings to the Bible and not see the irony in that both are mythologies that aren't real.
Greafgriet 1 year ago 2
Ah fuck, the ending from the last one is the beginning of this. God damn it.
pervertedmind 1 year ago
If you asked the bible about Dinosaurs and it answered it, what would that do for us on a Saturday?
Well, maybe I'd go fossil hunting.
Neanderthalcouzin 1 year ago
I really think if you cried boo to that moderator he would literally cry himself to sleep for a week
mythinktube 1 year ago
the moderator is the most useless person ever... what a sad, unnecessary sap.
111steven 1 year ago 53
Do these christians laugh at people who believe in bigfoot? Aliens? Ghosts? Santa Claus? Just curious.
Thulgore 1 year ago 3
@Thulgore dude once I met a jew girl from Israel, who was mocking of mormons cause "they said angels have no wings" and that was non sense because of course angels " have wings" (or the other way around) the fact was hilarious. These religious ppl are totally NUTS.
nikur 1 year ago 3
Even the word 'atheist' is almost an admition that god exists! Its just another political lable thats withstood the test of time. Its a secret handshake with a wink saying, "i don't believe in you"... people who arn't interested in religion don't go and knock on doors spouting phoney, religious rhetoric!
liamardo007 1 year ago
Nobody really believes in God! All who profess to, are simply afraid to let go of the guilt and fear indoctrinated by parental influence at childhood. You may notice that the 'Believers' in this video are all very nervous and unsure of what they're talking about, particullaly in the way in which they speak . It comes across quite clearly the difficulty they have in thier flacid mental ability, stringing sentances together! Too much humming and erming!
liamardo007 1 year ago 3
@liamardo007 As flagrant of an atheist as I am, I'm going to play devil's advocate by suggesting that they may have just been nervous XD
RavenAmongDoves 1 year ago
Humans won't make past 22,000 years on the planet. By the time the sun burns out our earth will be a cold dead planet.
spareaxe 1 year ago
There is no evidence for a god, therefore, in my opinion, it is foolish to believe in such a being.
However, when arguing against Christians, a lot of what he says falls back on basic ad hominem attacks on 'god'. Having said that, I understand that when arguing with people who won't see sense or reason, and pay no heed to evidence, you don't have a great deal of choice.
Dentarthurdent73 1 year ago 3
Haha, big lover of Hitchens, and 100% atheist. But this was an entertaining series of videos, and these guys have been some of the smartest I've seen arguing against him.
I agree with him, but his evasiveness in this debate is more obvious than it usually is. He's a great speaker, but let's face it, he can fall back on arguments that are convincing only because of his eloquence, not because of the validity of the arguments themselves.
Heh, he's still right though. :)
Dentarthurdent73 1 year ago
Lee Strobel is very bad at this sort of thing...and also a bit stupid.
erikmania 1 year ago 2
i love hitchens response to the loaded question the last questioner asked. eternal hell is the dealbreaker which makes christianity inherently wicked.
BillKiernan 1 year ago 3
"by what standard" fuck Wilson is such a smug, ignorant prick. That's all he has, a baseless claim that his camp has the monopoly on the ability to make moral statements. Wilson, the book you so rigidly hold to, was made by humans. Fallible humans who were quite ignorant in fact. You dolt.
BillKiernan 1 year ago
if we are made in the image of god shouldn't we expect some synchronicity between god's thoughts and our own be expected? we're not physically in god's image, are we?
burnhippiesforfuel 1 year ago 2
STAY OUT OF IT COMMENTATOR.
Keeban3 1 year ago
I meant moderator but I talks no goodly
Keeban3 1 year ago
the moderator seriously creeps me out!
noodoo19 1 year ago 3
I got to the 'talking trees' in Lord of the Rings and I did 'throw the book at the wall. Thanks for posting this series.
yiggoto 1 year ago
I'd love to see dawkins, harris, Dennet and hitchens vs douglas wilson. now that would funny
smutyhouse 1 year ago
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God will judge you for orthorizing stem cell research. Life begins at conception, these 'scientists' have no right to kill children. Good on that wonderful Christian man who shot the abortion doctor in the US. Abortionists are murderers. The Bible says "thou shall not murder". A murder is an unlawful killing. According to the Bible, we can kill those who commit acts of murder, including abortionists and these so called 'scientists'.
Jesusorder 1 year ago
according to the bible bats are birds and the earth is 6000 years old, it's written by sheep herders in the middle east, so yes, you pray to a middle east god.. do you like people from the middle east?
lukeism2 1 year ago 2
@Jesusorder
"Good on that wonderful Christian man who shot the abortion doctor in the U.S. Abortionists are murderers."
Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins both quoted a man whose name escapes me that says "Without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
winky225 1 year ago
winky, I think they were quoting Wineberg (Sp?).
queenastilon 1 year ago
@Jesusorder
Now to your next point:
"Thou shall not murder"
That man had single handedly twisted his own doctrine and used it as he saw fit. In this case you assume you know god's will regardless of the direct commandment he has given you.
Meryl Streep in the movie Doubt said it best, and I surely hope this is a quote in your bible, "In the pursuit of wrong-doing one steps away from god"
The pity is that you use religion as a weapon.
winky225 1 year ago
What you have just written is totally disgusting. God is the judge let him judge let us not murder abortionists for what they do.
Kimmyloca0 1 year ago
And then again, Jesusorder, the Bible authorises abortions at one point and even gives details of how to do them
But claiming that a clump of few hundred cells in a petri dish has a soul is baseless. What if that clump later divides into two people, or three, or when twin fetuses recombine into one... where's the second soul gone?
When you believe things you don't understand it's just criminal to want to impose them on others
queenastilon 1 year ago 2
The thing that insults me most about religious people is that as an atheist.
I can be respectful of some ones ridiculous beliefs as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat. A religious person cannot accept that I am an atheist and will try and convince me I'm wrong quoting scriptures and spurious "scientific" evidence and when I rebuke their answers they revert to I MUST have faith.
The bible, koran, torah says so.
Harry Potter said adava cadavra it's a book as well.
rrtodd95 2 years ago
rrtodd, try Winnie the Pooh - it contains some pretty enduring wisdom. Seriously! Read it as an adult. But please, no one make a bloody religion out of it.
queenastilon 1 year ago
let me get this straight. god created time and space, thousands trillions of planets, billions of galaxies, so that there would be just one species on this speck of dust called earth that would be redeemed and worship him? sorry, little hard to believe..
setmedic 2 years ago 2
Amazing how many delusional people there are still. I mean I can understand soldiers in a fox hole or desert dwellers two thousand years ago believing this nonsense but grown men in the 21st century?
Sad.
eyholmess 2 years ago 79
@eyholmess It amazes me too.
With all these gullible people about, I know I could make loads of money being a spiritual healer, however I'm too honest to lie to people. I have very little money at the moment and yet my 'atheist' morals (allegedly we are immoral) stops me from doing so :( I pray that I can become as immoral as the Pope ;)
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
@ switchftable
The church locked a man away because he told them the earth did not remain still. Hence we have Galileo's story of the church charging a bright mind with heresy . Barring embryonic stem cell research, book burnings over the Harry Potter series, Darwin removed from libraries.The Crusades, Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, forcing Native American children into Christian schools, to change their names to Christian names, banning the Ghost dance and the Sun dance...ad nauseum
Tayalways 2 years ago
religion is a pill which must be swallowed whole.
AchievementSpanker 2 years ago
in order to believe in the bible people would have to take the whole thing as the word of god and therefore be perfect. i dont understand how these people can say that adam was the first man and then turn around and completely contradict themselves admitting that humans have been around for more than 6,000 years. i have read the bible and i want to know what gives certain people the right to decide which parts in the bible are literal and which are metaphorical.
AchievementSpanker 2 years ago
well that's always been the problem. People pick and choose what they want to believe and what they want to omit. I'm not sure what the actual percentage is but I would be willing to bet that the number of Christians that have actually read the bible from cover to cover is very few. As an atheist, I've tried to read it and got up to and through Leviticus. It's revolting.
shaun365 2 years ago
'We know from scripture' .. that right there is the reason Christians think they have valid arguments.
Using the same energy to debate atheists like Hitchens, they should critically examine scripture - as a historical document in a historical context
sewpr512 2 years ago
What an insult of hitchens extreme intellect to be subject to this mindless stupification. We need to cleanse the planet of these treasonous members of my species. Human fail religion is. just aweful
699backstab 2 years ago 2
"Mr. Strobel, is The Bible true?"
Politicians pay good money for such softball questions.
kreskinkun 2 years ago 3
Why do atheist care what I believe or don't believe? If you believe that we are just creatures following a pattern of genetic patterns, then you believe that christian are just doing what comes natural to their genetic pattern. You can't change who I am by arguing.
switchftable 2 years ago
Nature and nurture. Nature is your genes. Nurture is your life experience. If we could safely remove any and all negative genetic patterns, we would. Genes will determine how smart you are, but life determines how much you learn.
I don't know if arguing changes people or not. No one argued with me when I was a Christian. Looking back, I wish they had. I wish I hadn't lived in a bubble. Now, I'm in the position to make those arguments, and I intend to make them for anyone who listens.
kreskinkun 2 years ago
We all live in a bubble, weather we like it or not. None of us are truly free in this life. Natural and moral Laws confine us and keep us in line, and death has it's shackles on all.
switchftable 2 years ago
No, but you can change by becoming educated and not basing your life on superstition and fear of the unknown. Societies generally evolve and knowledge usually increases but you are fighting against human nature to seek less fear and more benefits to survival prospects for offspring. Trying to go back to the dark ages and before willingly is actually reducing the viability of your genetic material carrying on, the first order of business of being alive. Really ignorant societies die out.
km6xz 2 years ago
We care not about what you do to yourselves by being backward and ignorant but we care very much that you are trying to force your vision of a pre-literate society on the rest of us, wanting to stamp out knowledge and respect for fact and reason, to promote religious based wars, trying to prevent our children from getting a knowledge based education, controlling public secular policy. Yes we care very much that you want to destroy the world to live an afterlife with a fictitious non-existent god
km6xz 2 years ago 2
Where are you observing life from, Mars? Where does a Christian lifestyle lead anyone back to the dark ages. Have you've read the Bible? 365 times the Bible says to NOT fear. And before you post something about fearing God, one of the Hebrew words for fear is ya're, which means to respect.
OH POOR YOU, PITY, PITY how do stand to pressure of us big bad christians forcing our VISION on you. poor you. Give me a BREAK!! When did sharing become forcing. STOP THE LIES!!
switchftable 2 years ago
It comes down to you and everyone else fighting against the laws of life. You can't escape it so stand on your soapbox and point at everybody else. But you can't admit that you might be wrong.
Our war is not against flesh and blood. You don't even realize that you're a pawn in the game. You don't even realize that you have lived by the laws of God all of your life.
Last point: There is a God, His love is unconditional. Fight against that.
switchftable 2 years ago
Yes dark ages. In every theocracy, including the US thought, advances in medicine, science, civil rights, human rights, freedom and equality it the religious has fought with words, money, wars and subterfuge. All the attempts to ban books, or knowledge that is even going on now is based on fear of ignorant myth believers trying to stop enlightenment. That was the dark ages and that view is re-surging in the US and Middle East increasing ignorance and hate.
km6xz 2 years ago
Everybody knows about the Tyranny of religion have oppressed people. That's why are forefathers came to America.
Now give me an example of how Christianity has stopped enlightenment. Please give me a list of the books that have been banned. (This should be interesting.)
BUT where has Christianity fought against advances in medicine, science, civil rights, human rights, freedom and equality.
switchftable 2 years ago
stem cell research?
lukeism2 2 years ago
If Christians are to blame for preventing the extration of embryonic stem cells, then I am proud of that. Being that, there are better ways and other places to find stem cells. I do not want to be judged for supporting the taking of life or preventing lives.
I pray scientist can find a way to use the stem cells but not at such a high cost. I myself suffer from seizures. Not only does it cripple me, but also my wife and kids. I will never support abusing
switchftable 2 years ago
i am all for stem cells... from anything
lukeism2 2 years ago
Stem cell 'scientists' are nothing but scum. They murder children to correct lifestyle choices of Americans. Diabetes, faggot induced AIDS, colon cancer caused by sodomy and fag sex, all these things are lifestyle choices. No cures needed, they are punishments from God for vile sins. Repent now
Jesusorder 1 year ago
fuck you're an asshole... how can one debate with such a hateful wanker.. i'm speechless, you're a bottomfeeding festering cunt.
lukeism2 1 year ago
Jesusorder, what's the punishment for wilfull ignorance? You have every chance to correct it but choose laziness & hatred - Jesus must be so proud
MOST people with colon cancer have never had anal sex. (sodomy AND fag sex? lol). It has correlations with poor diet, eg processed meats, alkaloids from high temperature cooking (fries, chips, crunchy coatings) & lack of dietary fibre
God's punishment, eh? So why does he inflict it most on the nation containing more Christians than any other?
queenastilon 1 year ago 2
@Jesusorder So, when you eventually die of SOMETHING- unless your body is immortal- what will God have been punishing YOU for?
KaraZiasapiens 1 year ago
@switchftable The only reason you believe your Christianity isn't bad is because you lack information. Look at the ramifications of Christianity GOING ON RIGHT NOW in Uganda. Thanks to a bunch of idiotic Christians that condemn homosexuality, the government of Uganda wants to (or has?) enact/ed a law that will imprison and/or execute gay people AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS GAY. Or look at the Christians who are spreading lies about condom use (because they say it's sinful) in Africa!
KaraZiasapiens 1 year ago
@switchftable Regarding my previous reply- how is the effect of the Christian vision being forced on Africa anything other than deplorable AND wicked? I've only picked TWO things.
KaraZiasapiens 1 year ago
@KaraZiasapiens The basis of Christianity is to love God and to love others as yourself. Anything other than that is not Godly, Holy, or biblical for that matter. You cannot pin the stupid things we do on the teachings of Christ.
switchftable 1 year ago
"we" meaning humans
switchftable 1 year ago
@switchftable Why do you need religion to love others? It's a poor and very lame excuse for needing religion. I have helped my community and have saved lives without the need for religion. Religion is totally redundant.
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
@mikeyo1234 I agree. You don't need religion to love others. I'm not making excuses to need religion. Religion is nothing more than a ritual of worship. My statement was in response to a previous statement. Christ came to love and forgive. I want to follow His example of love. It is flawless.
switchftable 11 months ago
@switchftable we care cause in the 21st century we have people like the pope Evangelist radical Muslims etc etc who are on pushing their agenda all day. as an agnostic i dont mind what u believe in your own house but this is not the case of the public figures of religion who try constantly to change nations to their religions
alias12 1 year ago
@alias12 There is zero evidence for the existence of God. It's so likely 'he' doesn't exist then why are you agnostic? Are you an agnostic in regard to believing in fairies too? That's a serious question.
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
@mikeyo1234 I believe you should check out some books for the evidence of God (Reasonable Faith, The Miracle of Theism: Arguments For and Against the Existence of God, The Son Rises, Hard Questions, Real Answers, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview) I'm sure there's many, many more. Until you take such a significant view on life, I believe it deserves some research. Luckily, many great minds have already taken on the task of research, all you have to do is read about it.
CONNERtheBUSH 1 year ago
@CONNERtheBUSH There is no evidence. If there is then please provide it here. Note that mumbo jumbo made up BS is not allowed. It has to be tangible evidence. If you do manage to provide evidence then you will be the first person EVER.
Science has had religion on the run since year dot. Every few years religion finally admits it is wrong and science is right (e.g. Earth orbits Sun and not the other way around), big bang and evolution (Pope recently said that science is right), Bad luck pal.
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
Where the hell did they get the moderator from ?
mmmzyx 2 years ago 50
@mmmzyx: From the same place they found the other debaters...
vp1981ad 2 years ago
@mmmzyx the church
noLorik 1 year ago
@mmmzyx He's somebody's nephew. LOL
JaguarRonin 1 year ago
@mmmzyx inbread, most likely. hee hee.
whauffend 1 year ago
retro-actively what a dork. The earth is 60 billion years old, the first human like creature found is 4.4 million years old, his answer sucks lol
MegaJay79 2 years ago
I hope you meant 6 billion and not 60.
GMbear 2 years ago
Er yeah lol
MegaJay79 2 years ago 2
I love how the last questioner tries to twist threatening "non-believers" with eternal hellfire into a KINDNESS, because they're trying to "save" them with "God's word".
It's rather like a Neo-Nazi thinking he's performing a noble duty by approaching non-racist white people, and warning them that marrying a black person will "soil the purity of their white blood".
When the "truth" you go around telling people is evil garbage, it is not a kindness to share it.
garethac81 2 years ago
The Gollum part was very funny.
undisputedgreatest 2 years ago
hitchens said earlier that he doesn't like that he believes that one day he'll just cease to exist but it didn't make him refuse to believe it's true.
I don't want to believe in the extistence of hell, but it's not going to make me stop believing simply on the basis that I don't like it
tchristian04 2 years ago
I don't want to believe in the existence of the hundreds of thousands of gods inthe history of mankind either, but that's not going to stop me from believing in ALL of them!
zanzibartraveler09 2 years ago
At 5:08 Dennison accuses Hitchens of not believing that humans could have been here for 98K years before God decided to intervene because "he didn't like it". Hitchens responded that his lack of belief was because "it is in the highest degree improbable", which "is" a reasonable opinion to have. Then at the end of this debate, Craig tries to sway the audience again by accusing Hitchens of just not "liking it". Was that bonehead even listening the first time.
fusedchromosome 2 years ago
Ah come on!! Can a man not praise another for his debating skills??
iclaudius78 2 years ago
These guys are a bunch of used car salesmen. Hitchens spanked them.
fusedchromosome 2 years ago
Damn right.
undisputedgreatest 2 years ago
...or anything of that sort of recognition. Then someone asks a question. How do you know it's a ball and how do you know what it's doing? Theists would say, I don't know, but I just know. HUH??? the rational person would answer.
The theist would say, just have faith.
See how insane and purile this sounds?
Domzdream 2 years ago
Faith is NOT by any stretch a relationship. At all. The two are completely different.
A relationship is by definition an interaction between two interacting bodies. How can one interact with something you cannot relate to within all 5 senses. Now that we have established that, how can we propose that there a thing in the first place? It's like having a black jar, covered with a lid. Now we propose that there a pink ball inside it, we know what it's doing, though we cannot see it, hear, or...
Domzdream 2 years ago
Why do southerners in America say Bubble rather than bible?
Domzdream 2 years ago 5
Because they think it is spelled that way. They do not know any better.......
km6xz 2 years ago
Really?
Domzdream 2 years ago
If the christian is certain the non-believer will go to hell, it's only moral to evangelize. However, they must be pragmatic, and admit that when there are children in Nigeria that are being murdered because they are believed to be witches, it's for the benefit of all mankind to accept that there are boundaries, and we must respect them.
Myschly 2 years ago
@Myschly
Yes, but the problem is the Christian is not certain (that's why it's called faith). He pretends to be certain. And to tell someone that they will go to hell for not sharing the same belief, is immoral. And even if it were true, that's an immoral truth. Nazis tortured and killed people. True, but still immoral. So even if Christianity were proven, 100% correct, it would still be immoral comparable to Hitler and his regime.
BTNH24 2 years ago
Well I don't have a beef with those christians (majority) who accept that they're believing whatever in faith, not that they are absolutely 100% certain as creationists are, claiming to have the facts on their side. It's when it goes beyond what I call a "personal belief" that religion becomes something poisonous.
As long as the christians accept a secular society, simply trying to convert with faith, but promoting secular values and scientific fact, I don't have a beef with them.
Myschly 2 years ago
@Myschly
Well as Christopher Hitchins pointed out, whether that person keeps it to themselves or not, that person is an incredibly wicked and delusional person if they think that everyone will suffer and burn for not accepting Christ. I'm surprised the questioner had the nerve to acknowledge that belief, and then actually stick up for it. If a person has racist beliefs, we should not tolerate that either, whether kept to themselves or not.
BTNH24 2 years ago
the bible is true because god wrote it,and how do we know that god wrote it, because the bible says so, what a logic!
cero86 2 years ago
There is no greater debater on this planet than the icon that is Christopher Hitchens. Anyone who ignores the sense of his argument is obviously not listening with an open mind. Go Hitch!!
iclaudius78 2 years ago
hitchens:
"well, my attitude toward someone who says, 'i have a meek and mild savior for you, and if you don't like it, you can burn forever and be tortured infinitely'...is that they are a wicked and delusional idiot...and i decline to be spoken to in that tone of voice...that is the language of fascism and dictatorship.
it's directly immoral and it's a very great relief to know that it's completely mythical; that there isn't a rag of truth to the story."
hitchens destroys all!!!
chris28379 2 years ago 4
epic..... PNWZZZZ!!!! +5 for hitchens!
steveo3141 2 years ago 2
that moderator is a jackass
redners11 2 years ago 2
well because man can explain some mysteries of today they input it to a god ,well remember cause in the past could not explain mental illness we explain it by possession of evil or a saint depending of is action but today we know best and aint nothing to do with god or evil ,so over all i hope men is gonna stop to explain thing that they do not understand by putting a divine intervention (bad or good)and say only that you do not understand or know how,when what ,where ect,, be humble
mystisme 2 years ago
At 9:52, the moderator told Hitchens "I'm glad you have the freedom to say your beliefs and I'm glad I live in a society where I have the freedom to share my beliefs as well"
Exactly right. A society with a "secular" constitution that specifically separates religion from the state. Throughout history, in societies where religion (including christianity) controls the state, such freedoms don't exist. Even today, religion keeps trying to take control because they think we have too much freedom.
fusedchromosome 2 years ago
Can someone point out a case where religion (any religion) has ever been able to demonstrate that their supernatural explanation for anything is superior to any other supernatural explanation. However, slowly but surely, science keeps chipping away at all the supernatural explanations that clergy keep vomiting on us.
fusedchromosome 2 years ago
let me tell you that religions only explain things by god cause they can not explain thing remember the time when they could not explain mantal illness they said that their where posses or they where saint but today we can explain some of it and aint nothing to do with god think of amily rose who can contorsion her self today it is known as hysteria of conversion
mystisme 2 years ago
worse moderator ever
thornisdan 2 years ago 2
Worst
DrHarryDickman 2 years ago
lol, get worked thornisdan
phillipmorrisco 2 years ago
STrobel, Strobel, Strobel... un be frickin lievable. I have never, out side of personal debates with zealous local yokels, seen such a pathetic apologist.
folboteur 2 years ago 7
@richyedd
not sure which debate you were watching, the christians have nothing to offer, hitchens called out their errors of judgement repeatedly but as usual the only response when it comes down to it is that its in the bible and they have a gut feeling that it is true.
Oh ya and richy i see you have made this comment in other videos (seems like almost the exact wording) and you offer nothing "LOZ HE GOT OWWNEED!!!111" what are you 13 years old? grow up
chobochotch 2 years ago 2