Msnbc TV Lastword segment. Socialism isn't a dirty word

[OpeningSalvoe]

BRAVO Larry!! Here here!! I simply could not have said it any better. I love this guy lol.

[tanksbb]

Bolshevik bastard. I wish this country had taken Patton's advice and crushed you fuckers when we had the chance.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You're a fucking dinosaur and thankfully flag waving right wing dickheads like you are DESTINED for extinction.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You thick fucking retard. What a moron like you fails to realize is that America is ALREADY a socialist country, has been since the 30's, you and your kind are obsolete, the vast majority of society wants socialism. As such you have to listen to me and all others like me whether you like it or not, thick retarded flag waving right wing fuckers like you are a dying breed and thank god for it.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe You bone headed Irish Pig, we still have a Constitution standing between us and a Red takeover that's why they gave it up and tried to worm their way in by calling themselves "social liberals." But that BS isn't going to work either as long as we have a Constitution. You and your Red fags will have to take this country by force and we are ready willing and able. Now go fuck the nearest pig you communist Mick.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb hahaha!! Are you really that fucking stupid or are you just pretending? You have to be either some thick southern shit kicker and confederate degenerate or a midwestern moron. Didn't you watch the video fuckstick? There's nothing to take by force!! I'll spell it out for you again! YOU'RE ALREADY LIVING IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY and the fact that you're unable to tell the difference between socialism and communism tells me that you must be some dumb inbred hick. God bless the U.S.S.A lol

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You told me I am lying? You fucking IDIOT any state sponsored program such as medicare or welfare is socialism you 24 carat fucking retard. Jesus you're SO unbelieveably fucking stupid that you don't even realize that you're already living in a socialist country that's just how dumb you are. You brain dead fucking simpleton you're thinking of COMMUNISM not socialism, not only are you too god damn thick and retarded not to know you're living in a socialist country, you don't even know...

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb ...the difference between communism and socialism. Socialism has already won, it's here to STAY, you've had it in your country since the 30's you moronic retarded braindead Paul bot fucking simpleton. Jesus with dopes like you supporting him Ron Paul has no chance of being elected. Now go back to doing what a dumb hog slopping hick like you does best, shovelling pig shit, and leave the politics to the big boys, those of us with a fucking brain lol.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe Yeah, you keep saying we are a Socialist Nation like your word is the indisputable truth and I have to believe it or be a ignorant redneck. That's a pretty good little system you have there. Look, you're a stinking would-be dictator like all REDS and your opinion means shit in this country. I've already told you that as long as we have a constitution and people willing to defend it to the death there will never be a complete RED takeover in America. Your wet dream is just that.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You idiotic moron! Youre commenting under a video where it's just been clearly explained how America is a socialist nation. Go watch it again and pay attention this time you're in denial! You see you're so god damn irretrieveably fuckin stupid that you think socialism is all about a complete RED takeover, socialists aren't even called REDS theyre called PINKOS because for the last time you dumb ignorant redneck moron SOCIALISM IS NOT COMMUNISM go back to school and learn the difference.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe You're just an ignorant little communist libtard pretending to be mainstream. Most RED commies freely admit that there's hardly any difference between the two and that communism is a progression from socialism. You either don't want to admit it or YOU are too ignorant to know the difference. Besides, if America really is a socialist nation then it would have to be a bipartisan effort. You are saying the GOP is involved as well? What about the 2012 gop nominees?

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb Communism is NOT a progression from socialism you IDIOT, it's the other way around!! Socialism is a progression from Communism. Socialism is watered down communism combined with the values of democracy. With each comment you make you're making yourself look more stupid, retarded and ignorant, a Fox News watching moron. Doesn't the GOP support medicare, doesn't the GOP support welfare benefits, have you not been watching this video? Nixon called himself a Keynesian! WATCH THIS VIDEO.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe This RED cunt in the video is no kind of fucking authority you communist heathen....he only has an opinion - just like you. You want socialism to be mainstream and acceptable so you try to distance yourself from communism. Communism IS a progression from socialism. Its like "First your money then your clothes." So are you saying Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum are socialists? I would tend to agree with that.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You fucking 24 carat RETARD. He's NOT expressing an opinion he's giving you the FACTS. America HAS medicare, America HAS welfare benefit, America HAS social security, they are ALL SOCIALIST PRINCIPLES. America IS ALREADY a socialist country. Americans don't want a purely capitalist society, if they did they wouldn't have allowed their country to develop into a mixed economy. Jesus you're dumb. Socialism IS MAINSTREAM AND ACCEPTABLE you stupid DOPE. America is SOCIALIST that's MAINSTREAM

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe All the fucking Communist Bastard has is an opinion - and since you are another Communist Bastard that happens to agree - then you think its the truth....its not. You are full of brainwashing propaganda that may work on fools but not everyone. You try to honor General Patton eventhough he would have destroyed you Bolshevik bastards. What kind of total retard are you?

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You are as thick as shit in a jam jar you really really are. He DID NOT state an opinion, medicare is a FACT, welfare benefits are a FACT, social security is a FACT, therefore America is a socialist country that's a FACT whether you like it or not. Socialism is not Communism, you uneducated fuckwit. You don't even know what you're talking about because you think they're the same thing you stupid moron. GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND GET YOURSELF A PROPER EDUCATION. You're the retard here.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe He's expressing an opinion and you are a shit-slinging libtard monkey eating your own buggers. Maybe you can't deal with the idea of a free market? Maybe your hatred of capitalism blinds you? Maybe your love of a big central government and an all-powerful central bank makes your pathetic little dick hard? Who knows? Just tell me which GOP Candidates are socialists.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb You're a fucking spastic you know that. I've already stated THREE times how America is a socialist country and you are in a state of complete denial about it. You and your kind have already lost. You have medicare, welfare benefits, social security and a socialist president, you're a simple minded dickhead who just can't handle the truth that's staring him in the face. If you knew anything about socialism you'd know that socialists don't hate the free market but you don't know that...

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe So stop lying and I will stop calling you a liar you ignorant propagandist.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb ...because you're a god damned uneducated moron.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe Who are you but a RED socialist/ communist pig? Your opinion amounts to nothing in a free society.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb Socialist societies ARE free societies you ignorant moron. Stop being so retarded and i'll stop calling you a retard.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe Prove it you communist bugger eater. Which socialist country is truly free?

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb France, Britain, Ireland, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden and YOURS but to name a few you stupid, retarded, ignorant, uneducated, braindead fucking dope.

[tanksbb]

@OpeningSalvoe haaaaahahaha you dipshit! You're so fuckin brainwashed you think those socialist bastards are free. Where's their guns? Britons are CRYING for their guns back you communist cunt. They're neither happy nor free, you bugger eating, lowlife red-headed prick. They got suckered in by you shit-eating socialists and now they want back out.

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb WHERE are the British CRYING for their guns back you fucking right wing retard? Europeans don't want to live in a warzone like your country. We don't want teenagers running around with automatic weapons, we don't want an endless series of high school shootings like you have in your country. You're some fucking moron. Europe doesn't have the epidemic levels of gun crime that America has, it's such a more civilized way to live, you wouldn't know anything about that because you're a.....

[OpeningSalvoe]

@tanksbb ....thick, shit shovelling, hog slopping redneck dickhead lol. You have no idea in that thick inbred head of yours what it means to be free.

[doctorfate77]

This is fantastic!

[janderson2000]

2011 and morons like this on the air still want to revisit failed and oppressive governmental systems. Un-fucking-believable. No wonder MSNBC is tanking.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@janderson2000 no, what would be oppressive is the free market determining whether or not my health is valuable if im not able to afford it.

[janderson2000]

@phenomenalclassic93 Capitalism will have some losers in it. I can see you're afraid of being one of those losers. Well, fear not, as prosperous countries always have networks of freely funded charities to help those who can't help themselves. The difference between capitalism and socialism is there are many less losers. In socialism, everybody is a loser and the only winners are the government elites who live above their serfs.

Slaves had "free" healthcare, food, and housing too.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@janderson2000 so the french, the swiss, the germans, they're all losers?? they all have longer life spans than us and have more chances of prosperity than us, because their basic human necessities are recognized.

and i dont know where you got "free housing" from.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@janderson2000 when your a child, were you fed for free because when you were 0-18 years old you may have not been working because your only job was to go to school, or did your parents say that you needed to buy your food in order to eat?? we're all slaves to all humanity. when you're grown up, your necessities as a human that should be recognized are healthcare and education. food is important, but when you're working, a grocery store is able to suffice that need at any income

[Rahula]

You have no idea what Socialism really is dude. You're just chewing on the bone that the capitalists threw you. They don't want you to know what rule Socialism is. They don't want you to realize that its fundamentally about the means of production, not social programs. So they are providing social programs precisely for the reason of distracting you with them. And by advocating their false Socialism you're completely playing into their trap.

[samoa92064]

@Marshalddog yet you use them everyday. you are a hypocrit. get over it. socialism is a good thing when you remember it helps us being "social". You sir, don't get it and will need a hammer to fit the social circle in your square peg head.

[samoa92064]

@brooklnredleg example of good socialism? didn't you watch the video? e.g. postal work, medicare and social security. so you see? even when someone outlines good socialism, people don't listen.

[Marshalddog]

@samoa92064 - Now that's funny. You just listed 3 examples of what you and O'Donnell call good socialism. There's only one problem... all 3 of those programs are in financial ruin because they don't work!

I call that bad socialism.

[OmarAlQaseer]

Good for Lawrence O'Donnell for representing the best of what socialism is: economic justice, political liberty, and intellectual honesty!

[Seskal]

... what the hell was that?

Ok, I'm dying to see you try and cite your source on this. Free market anarchy led to the rich enslaving immigrants, until the state broke in to say, sorry, you can't own human beings. Again: A social program doesn't make for socialism. Socialism doesn't mean Communism. Slavery happens at either end of the extreme. Communism means all slaves to the state, capitalism unchecked lets people own other people. Only in the middle does it vanish which is what he said:Balance

[qwertypoiu4321]

O'Donnell believes in mass enslavement. The Federal State should not exist, and he wants to expand the evilest entity of the last 5,000 years; which has murdered over 100 million people in JUST the last 100 years.

O'Donnell is a slave-mongering freak.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 how is "massive enslavement" which recognizes everyone's basic human and civil liberties negative???

[qwertypoiu4321]

@phenomenalclassic93 All interaction should be voluntary and consensual.

You will never hear a violent socialist say that (without contradictory modifiers and fantasy 'social contracts') because they are violent criminals: they want to coerce, rob and/or murder anyone that does not do what they want.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 WHO SAYS THAT SOCIALISM IS FORCEFUL?

what socialism emphasizes is recognizing human security as well as recognizing everyone's basic human and civil liberties, and that we should all look out for them.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 we're all human. just because you have more money doesnt entitle you to a better education or better health care than another person because we're all humans entitled to the same basic human and civil necessities; every human, every man every woman and every child.

[qwertypoiu4321]

@phenomenalclassic93 I told you, you will never hear a criminal, violent socialist say all interaction should be voluntary and consensual (without contradictory modifiers and fantasy 'social contracts' to cancel everything they said out). Anytime you ask, hilarity ensues.

Go form a voluntary co-operative and watch it collapse into the ground and learn reality the hard way, but If you violently enslave anyone to rob a good or service from them you should be charged as such, period.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 how is one robbing you of a service such as education or healthcare when you'd be getting the same service? it's ironic when you say "robbing", and then say the free market should be allowed to determine who gets healthcare and who gets education. it's like saying who's human and who's not, depending on what is one's income. you don't find that wrong?

[qwertypoiu4321]

@phenomenaclassic93 All interaction should be voluntary and consensual, do you get that? If you commit coercion you should be charged as such, do you get that?

If you say you are violently entitled to the goods and services of someone else you are a violent criminal, do you understand that?

I told you, you will never hear a criminal, violent socialist say all interaction should be voluntary and consensual. Go form a co-operative and watch it fail, but if you commit coercion you are a criminal.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 so basically your saying not all of us are human which means you're more entitled to basic human and civil liberties, that recognize us all as being human, than i? so what exactly do you feel more entitled to than i or my family, or joe schmo or silly sally?

[qwertypoiu4321]

As I said, bringing up consent with violent people like yourself, hilarity ensues.

Do you realize if you stick a firearm in a lawn service providers mouth and violently threaten to blow their brains out unless they mow your lawn that is violent and criminal? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that applies to all goods and services? Are you getting that?

All interactions should be voluntary and consensual. You are a *violent* person who would *never* even *contemplate* saying that.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 and you realize that under socialism, there's logical and sensible regulation. your deregualtion theory is actually applied in this nation and capitalism. in columbus ohio this past week, because there was no legislation in preventing the individual possession of exotic to even endangered animals, to those who have been convicted of animal cruelty and neglect, 49 animals were released into the city, by the owner, and they had to be killed -_- regulation saves lives!

[qwertypoiu4321]

@phenomenalclassic93 As I said, bring up consent with violent people such as yourself, hilarity ensues:

'If I rob and enslave you that is consensual!'

'Coercive State subsidized animal kidnapping and storing is fine! When they escape the Coercive State comes to save me from what they caused! I love violence, violence is consensual!'

*Violent* people such as yourself would never even *contemplate* interacting voluntarily and consensually. Consent would interfere with your violence.

[phenomenalclassic93]

@qwertypoiu4321 consent to what? through interaction? we need to interact with one another at least in recognizing everyone's basic human necessities as well as everyone's civil liberties by taxes as it's needed to be paid for somehow. other than that, yes interaction is voluntary. however, it doesnt say anything about violence, but more regualtion. please enlighten me! i find it funny how you say you know me better than i know myself, which is why i'm going to stop replying to ignorance

[Seskal]

Side topic. Doesn't he smile just a little too much when Beck calls him a hot loverboy?

[Seskal]

I agree in freedom of choice, and re health ins. I personally would rather see Canada have a system similar to public vs private option. UHC is socialism purer than Obama. It's why our rich leave to get surgery, and your poor try to come here for it. As to "if promised something, you expect it". My Counterargument is: Duh. Socialism doesn't have lack of responsibility just because YOUR politicians don't accept responsibility. Stop equating the words without justification.

[Seskal]

Midday check of my fav flamewar, Re USA opt out, found a vid of Armey vs Maddow on Meet the press, Armey accused of and agreed he has opted out. Props to Armey for at least putting his money where his mouth is; unless you have all done the same, you ARE socialists, even if you don't wanna use the word. Please understand my perspective here, I agree Greece's collapse is Gov't promising social programs without having the balls to pay for them. I'm a Canadian. And our system isn't collapsing.

[CaptainCocaine]

So... I think that Social Security and Medicare should be phased out, or at a minimum, have and "opt-out" option. I think Keynesian economic policies have cause MORE harm to the economy than good, by simply postponing and masking damage made by poor choices, instead of seeing them immediately so you can act on them BEFORE they get out of hand. I think the Federal Reserve and IRS should BOTH have an "out of business" sign in the front. We are NOT all socialists. But the US has been since FDR.

[jwinter228]

He's right in the sense that 90 percent of the US believes in socialist policies. The problem is once you're promised something you expect it. They don't care if it's not solvent because socialist policies defer responsibilities from individuals and onto someone else.

Ireland's debt instruments just blew up- 700+ bps, Greece is done, Portugal/Italy/Spain/UK are next, we're not far behind. Maybe soon we'll realize that socialism is the antithesis of liberty & is both morally & fiscally bankrupt.

[Seskal]

Moreover, unlike your (mostly) spineless (elected) Liberals down in the US, I won't back down from defending the idea when attacked just because YOU say the word is bad. (Context: Canada's Conservatives are the conservatives, our liberals are liberals, our Democrats are actually our far left party, libs being center left; hence my occasional slip) And by the way, saying money is at the center of commerce is like saying water is at the center of ice.

[Seskal]

hmm. Funny. You're still here. I threaten to block you because your ideas turned to implying We lick the UK's balls. My Dogma is simple. So was Lawrence's. Very early in the post I set the rules. Ideas, positions, regardless were welcome. Name calling wasn't. I gave you a warning before blocking and walked off like Ann Coulter. My point i'm trying to defend is that socialism isn't a dirty word. It's a theory. And because we all use 5 to 20% of it in the free world, I'd like to know why it is.

[Seskal]

We could afford to. You demand proof of these things yet here we stand, and down goes the US. And as to Canada's relationship with the UK, (do be fair, in recent history we ignore the both of you when you ask to go to war, and they lick YOUR boots. And as to the name calling, welcome to the United states of I'm the moderator, when i say back off name calling, next time I block you). Bad socialism SHOULD be fought when it fucks others. Capitalism moderating China is a GOOD thing. But We're proof.

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal You threaten to block me?! Cowards fear the free exchange of ideas.

I’m done with you because you lack the intellectual courage and cognitive ability to defend your dogma in a public forum.

I block NO ONE, because my philosophy of free markets is morally and scientifically superior.

RUN!

[Seskal]

Ok, you want to lecture me about your country, fine, I'm literally asking your input, but back the Fox News Bullshit truck up. Canada has been running this system a long time. We didn't collapse. You Did. With less Socialism than we have. Our gap between rich and poor was comparable until Bush took office. Every single Canadian Bank survived when even ones in norway gave into the Sachs game. We CHOSE to deficit spend when the downturn hit (our conservatives did this) to offset the rainy days.

[Seskal]

Ok, you want to lecture me about your country, fine, I'm literally asking your input, but back the Fox News Bullshit truck up. Canada has been running this system a long time. We didn't collapse. You Did. With less Socialism than we have. Our gap between rich and poor was comparable until Bush took office. Every single Canadian Bank survived when even ones in norway gave into the Sachs game. We CHOSE to deficit spend when the downturn hit (our conservatives did this) to offset rainy days.

[Seskal]

Ok, you want to lecture me about your country, fine, I'm literally asking your input, but back the Fox News Bullshit truck up. Canada has been running this system a long time. We didn't collapse. You Did. With less Socialism than we have. Our gap between rich and poor was comparable until Bush took office. Every single Canadian Bank survived when even ones in norway gave into the Sachs game. We CHOSE to deficit spend when the downturn hit (our conservatives did this)

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal Straw man argument: Empirical research conducted by dozens of Nobel Prize winning economists fortified by tens of thousands of research papers concludes that economic liberty is superior to state interference, corruption, collusion and market interference. The evidence is that we would all become mutually wealthier if we accepted free markets.

[Seskal]

Thanks for defending O'Donnell's point. Yes, (as i said. I HATE REPEATING MYSELF) there is BAD socialism. But an angry poster quite rightly pointed out a "middle class" recession disconnect. Economy up for the rich, while 98% of you americans are still receeding. Nor did I, nor the vid advocate full 100% socialism. Capitalism at the center and use socialism to round out the roughest edges. Jefferson conservapedia quotes won't win me here, but logic will. He's your guy,

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal We agree.

Let’s base our arguments on research and proven fact: Show me research supporting increased government intervention, deficit spending, and increase taxation & regulation over free markets, or acknowledge leftwing philosophy is irrational.

I have TONS. You have NONE!

[islandmuffin]

In the past 10 years, did China lift hundreds of millions people out of poverty through socialism or through liberating their markets?

In the past 5 years, did redistribution lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths in Zimbabwe?

Why have dozens of Nobel economists concluded (tens of thousands of reviewed studies) that economic liberty & less Government interference are “correlated with higher living standards, economic growth, income equality, less corruption and less political violence.”

[Seskal]

And to all your lofty well meaning quotes implying socialism spells doom, remember, I'm a Canadian. We proved state run corporations can be apolitical and honest. Regulation of a critical industry (oil, banks) can still allow for great success. Government can do these things without banning gay marriage, cigarettes and bacon. Now if YOUR country can't because your socialist republicans tank the economy every chance they get, why do you listen to their thoughts on socialism?

[islandmuffin]

Canada is freer than the US right now because of Obama.

It is kept bringing in 7 mil immigrant, out of 32 mil people, to pay into the socialist system. Your socialist systems are unstable pyramid schemes that will eventually crash like our troubled Medicaid and Social Security systems.

Canadians have much less $ than Americans because of higher costs, less income, higher taxes, and historically higher unemployment.

Unlike Canada, I support gay rights AND the freedom to smoke.

[Seskal]

Your context of the rest of Friedman's quote is interesting (while we disagree about it's conclusion). Pure Capitalism is Anarchy. Pure Socialism is Communism. I'm assuming you are in the US using Gov't power lines (you're online, rest is a guess.), gov't roads, Maybe you have a grandparent/parent on SS/medicare, or a child on SCHIP, Since you oppose even moderate practical socialism I'm also just assuming you demanded to pay back the Govt for all this? (May hate Armey but he did this at least)

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal Definitions of economic systems from worst to best:

1. Communism = 100% state control or full slavery to that state or collective (North Korea et al)

2. Fascism = State/Corporate hybrids, where the state colludes, interferes and controls the corporate output (like GM).

3. Socialism = all state control (Venezuela, like our Government healthcare takeover).

[islandmuffin]

4. Mixed Economy = a mixture of socialism and capitalism. (Of course, the last 200 hundred years of history proves capitalism is superior to socialism. All economic research and data confirms free markets are always superior to socialist economies. There are no exceptions. All the best places to live are freer.)

5. Laissez Faire = 100% economic and personal liberty (free market and capitalism). Research proves, in a developed economy, the closer to Laissez faire the richer the economy

[Seskal]

I REALLY HATE REPEATING MYSELF. I quoted you before you even posted. Liberty isn't capitalism. Capitalism is specific, liberty isn't. And while I agree this doesn't matter, it just reinforces how bad your facts are. That line is in the Dec. of Ind, and not attributed to Jefferson. (Though he had a hand in it's drafting.) Socialist ideas like making sure people still have food to eat while their sick and can't work seems to assure more liberty of people and ideas, not less.

[islandmuffin]

Jefferson Quotes:

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

[islandmuffin]

Friedman said, "in one sense, we are all Keynesians now; in another, no one is a Keynesian any longer." The two senses were identified in his subsequent elaboration: "We all use the Keynesian language and apparatus; none of us any longer accepts the initial Keynesian conclusions"

The socialist lies, in the sense that all socialists are lairs.

[NCIcaucus]

This back and forth crap is stupid...so sad that the media has stooped to this level.

[Seskal]

1 more things before I sign off, I bothered to read your founding documents, mainly as a curious comparison to my own nation's. It's an inspiring read, trumps ours admittedly. (Hey, 300 years ago, we were the British Loyalists, you broke off in revolt, side topic: why are you and England now joined at the hip when even we won't follow you to your dumbest wars?). I'm still trying to find the words "Capitalism" in it. "equal opportunity" comes up, "life liberty and pursuit of happiness" etc.

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life (not government provided human zoo socialism), liberty (not Marxist equality), and the pursuit of happiness (not economic justice)." - Thomas Jefferson

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal That is Canada’s problem. Canadians never had the balls to demand independence; instead Canadians licked the Queen’s balls until the UK dissolved.

That cowardice explains why Canadians want a Welfare State to think for and care fore the Canadian sheep-beavers.

[Seskal]

In a desperate attempt to drive the point home, Democrats balance budgets, Republicans DESTROY them. True on our side as well. Liberals balanced, Cons went deficit, hard. However, true or false if Medicare and SS are bankrupting you (PS check your debt interest and military and get back to me). Then you are just mismanaging the program. Ours is fine. And when it's not, (we continue to tweak our health system) we get together and discuss without calling anyone Hitler. Listen to your Stewart USA.

[Seskal]

EnduringPoet vs Norfair18. I agree, that's what the conversation should be about, how much socialism to have, and how much capitalism. But the table is rigged. Socialism is being equated with "evil", regardless of how it's helped or harmed. As he said, Clinton tried to roll back waste in Medicare, and the republicans fought him on this. FOUGHT FOR SOCIALISM. And that's ok. (Not really, why is it the Dems in your country are the ones who always roll back waste? Canada's NDP is the party of waste)

[Seskal]

To Hothfreeze. I dislike repeating myself since I am poor at brevity. Reread the damned title and if you disagree, explain why with something other than "A now dead regime that we were scared shitless of for 50 years used a pure socialist system, so it must be evil". Godwin's Law revisted: Hitler shaved his beard but not that stupid flap of lip hair. So we should all, forever grow beards but not mustaches? Do you shave? Are you a nazi because of it? How Long have you been a Nazi? False Argument.

[Seskal]

WOOHOO! Flame war. Lesbianesque="New hot lover boy". Grats on making words up, but make an intelligible point or shut up. Competition for the post office on letters. Fair question (long as you supported the public OPTION) I send mail via FedEx and UPS all the time if i need to be able to track and verify. Though a poor example, US and Canada Post are being propped up to maintain, when they should be failing.

[JackBlair2]

O'Donnell is Lesbianesque. 

[hothfreeze]

You know what I got out of this clip? The lie that "everyone" is supposedly a Socialist now, people only (hate) Obama when they question his decisions as they're pulling the race card yet once again, and he's eerily quoting Krushchev's quote about feeding American's 'small doses of Socialism' until they wake up in a Communist country. Save your new age mumbo jumbo MSNBC. You've been exposed for what you are a long time ago.

[MooseOfReason]

What about letting a company compete with the Post Office when it comes to envelopes?

[EnduringPoet]

"Every country has a mixed economy." So what? We're trying to determine whether having a mixed economy is right or wrong. That is the real issue. All of the socialist agencies and policies which our country has adopted should be repealed. At its foundation, socialism is the ethic of being generous with other people's money, even at the point of robbing private property.

[norfair18]

Medicare and SS are good socialism. Bullshit, they've brought about the bankruptcy of this nation.

[Seskal]

See? the two aren't mutually exclusive. Small doses of good socialism IMPROVE capitalism. More ideas, letting good ideas determine success, not just old money forcing you to keep forking to a failed idea.

Libertyplayground, I apologize for emphasizing both mine and the video's point, yes, we are all both capitalist and socialist. But they aren't "good" and "evil". neither are they mutually exclusive, to expand on my point beyond Lawrence's.

[islandmuffin]

@Seskal Socialism is a cancer.

A small dose can inoculate a society from the full blown diseases of the Welfare State, but it is dangerous disease routinely that rages of control, destroying economies, lives, nations and societies. “The Road to Serfdom” is paved with incremental increases in Government power, socialist redistribution, and the forced cooption of individual rights, property and income, by good meaning progressives. But the cancer of socialism attacks once it gains foothold.

[Seskal]

Ok. fair enough. O'Donnell said there was bad socialism without citing example to contrast what good socialism looks like. Bad Socialism: A doctor and a janitor being paid the same salary by the state. No Motivation to succeed. Capitalism takes advantage of healthy competitiveness. Good Socialism: Infrastructure. Not relying on private industry to build the road from your house to their door. The already rich can't force the smaller better player out because he can't afford to build road to you.

[TalkingPointes]

Give us an example of good socialism ? Our government is broke and selling our children's futures is that good socialism?

[libertyplayground]

"O'Donnell re-writes Beck and with rational calm passion explains why he, and every one in America is a socialist. "

Logical Fallacy. If you think support of a mixed economy is supporting socialism, by the same token, support of a mixed economy is supporting capitalism too.

[BrooklynRedLeg]

This is why I'm a Free Market Anarchist. O'Donnell is a scuzzball extraordinaire. I'll give him props for being an honest scuzzball.

[Seskal]

If you, or any family member did any of these things, have a citibank card, drive an american car, mail an envelope US post, (good god this list goes on) and didn't DEMAND to be able to refund the government the costs they covered, then you are a partial socialist. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. NOTHING. As for the flamethrowing, tone it down. On the other side, don't flag spam for something you just disagree with. Intelligent comments I enjoy, even if I disagree with them. Let Beck bombthrow

[Seskal]

For the record, I'm a Canadian, living on the american border, who enjoys watching the bloodsport you call politics. I considered posting only the edited 2nd half of this clip because of Mr. O'Donnell's incredible level of sanity in this commentary. We are all Both; Capitalist and Socialist. And to deny it means so many things I feel the need to expand his point. Do you yourself, or any member of your family draw social security, medicare, a rebate for cashforclunkers, go to school?

[Chslosers]

lawrence is a pussy

[ibecolin]

I just vommited. Oh, and by the way Lawrence, I assure you that I am not a socialist.