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  • Just a random spot in the vague shape of a hand. Chill out dude! At least it was not the face of the virgin Mary!

  • You seem like a pretty cool guy. I would love to sit down with you and pick your brain (metaphorically speaking lol).

  • @perichoresis7 A lot of my brain is in my YT vids. My latest series of vids covers why I believe the resurrection of Jesus is a myth. An older series covers why I believe Jesus never did exist at all on the earth. If you have any specific question, you can ask me. I consider myself a good person. That doesn't mean anything to fundies, tho. :)

  • @TruthSurge haha I know what you mean. Fundamentalists are a sad breed. Have you read any of N.T. Wright's works? More specifically The Resurrection of the Son of God and Surprised by Hope?

  • @perichoresis7 No, because he can't present unbiased information. He believes that the lead character in the story actually walked on water and turned water into wine. You cannot examine the writings objectively when you profess to believe that the lead character saved your soul.

  • @TruthSurge Understandable. But can anyone approach the text without bias? I don't believe so. A nonbeliever would approach the text with a negative bent while a Christian approaches positively. We all approach something with our own preconceived notions.

  • @perichoresis7 "But can anyone approach the text without bias?"

    Technically, no. Practically, yes. People who were NEVER Christians are possibly the LEAST biased. Ex-Christians such as myself have a tiny bit MORE bias that might cause me to overstep and see a contradiction where perhaps there is none. But Christians are the MOST biased and you should know why. When's the last time you saw a mother on the news saying "My boy is guilty!"

  • @TruthSurge HAHA Good point. I understand what you're saying; I just can't deny what I've experienced. Nothing can fully explain or express it. Am I biased? Of course, but not having the knowledge to explain everything (no one does) does not damage my faith. But hey, as you've alluded to, there is no "winner" of this conversation. You know your stuff and have your perspective on it, while I have mine. But I'm glad we can both be civil about it.

  • It's a miracle! The hand of God has touched you.

    Do you feel better? Smarter?

  • @gjsterp No, in fact I feel more gullible. More... willing to believe ANYTHING. It's ... wonderful. HAHHAHA

  • Lint?, next time you could hope for oily residue from Thai massage girl hand prints, and peanut satay sauce :)

  • @cosmicskydaddy1  One can dream. :)

  • Maybe it's the hand of God. Because you know, that's the kind of thing you'd expect from a god that created the universe. Not ending hunger or killing the devil or anything, just leaving marks on an old guys shirt.

  • @alienisuntverus OLD? cmon man. Yer only as old as your last bowel movement. or something like that. ? anyway, at least you didn't call me elderly. HAHAHAHHA

    yeah, god can't be bothered with people suffering. That's why he gave us doctors (runs to toilet to throw up).

  • Hand print goes on, won't come off, not a miscommunication. You can't explain it.

  • @xdassinx heheheh ya got me! stains go in, stains STAY in, never a miscommunication. ya can't explain that!!!!!!!

  • How can a bald guy have dandruff? ahhh the mysteries of the universe just keep piling up

  • @TheRottieRobb I have a skin condition called seborrheic dermatitis. It's basically a fungus that causes the skin in affected areas to sluff off like dandruff on steroids. So, I have this on my scalp (the parts that still have hair mostly) and the beard area, chin, upper lip, forehead. So, it happens. I use Nizoral to beat the shit down but it won't ever totally eliminate it.

  • I'm kidding TS

  • *FREAKS OUT* It's Jesus marking you as the sign of the devil lol!

  • @Poeboi time will tell..... MAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

  • All my clothes look like that. Some people have suggested it's because I don't do my laundry as often as I should. What do they know...

  • @harussell hehe I have paint on my jeans and tees but I don't wear a shirt more than 2 days. It's just part of the bennies of working from home. Nobody to smell me but me. :)

  • @TruthSurge Actually I wasn't kidding when I said my clothes look just like that and my g/f complains about me not washing them often enough, lol. She's a washing fanatic and even washes all her towels after one single use! Sheeeesh! Btw, great work on the Empty Tomb series, it's excellent.

  • @harussell thanks. yeah, well, as a GUY, I am changing my routine to washing less just because you don't have to wash a dry off towel after one use. I might wash the hand towel if I scrub with it but dry off? nah. It can be used 3 or 4 times. T-shirt?  2 days easy. Jeans? oh my. 3 weeks? hahaha i mean, all I do is sit and walk. I'm not doing aerobic exercise in them. But I keep the house pretty clean. for a guy. hehehehhehe

  • That's clearly the Hand of Saruman. Have you been hanging out with orcs lately?

  • @detersgumig Not that I recall. HEHEH

  • I was eating Cheetos and watching some porn... and you know the rest.

  • @8WholeThing yup. :)

  • It's be hilarious if that happened to Nephilimfree, or some other fundie!

  • @727Phoenix yeah, but they wouldn't make a vid of it! hah

  • @TruthSurge I think some would definitely make several videos, desparately warning us all of the evidence that demons are real. I wish I was kidding, but I really believe some would.

    Idea: You said you live in a 'deliverance', 100%-fundie town.. hmm, if breaking into peoples homes weren't so dangerous, we could do some experiments on these god-fearing folk and document their reactions!

  • @727Phoenix well, you wouldn't have to break into homes. You could prob think up some other experiments. hehe and video the results. hahahha but then, we already know the results, don't we. :) Fear, anger, etc.

  • @TruthSurge A discreet, portable directional-sound system would be perfect! Under specific circumsances, you can aim very narrow sounds at a distant individual in public, making him the only person that can hear whatever sound/message you're transmitting. Camoflauge the speaker & set it next to a large statue, you can seriously mess with a fundie's mind with this shit!!! Lemme see how much this'll cost....

  • @727Phoenix hahahah set it up close tho so it is sure to catch only one person and film them from a bit off. heheheh what would the recording say?

    "I am the demon Asmodius..... I am the angel of death... Samael..... go buy me a Bic Mac.... I haven't eaten in millenia!" or similar.

  • I've been wearing it since [brain: Saturday] uh yesterday...

  • @biggingeryeti yeah

  • Jesus.It's his hand.It even has a hole from nail in the middle:)

  • @phillozoph50 I hope not! I'll have to stop wearing black tees I guess.

  • I went to see the Shroud of Turin and all I got was this lousy t-shirt...

  • @SmilingSkeptic HAHAHAHA that was a good one. Shroud of Surge.... hmmm I missed my opportunity for my 15 min of fame. I could have called like CNN or AP or Faux News and got on the show claiming the hand of god appeared on my tee.

  • SORRY, my bad, but I just had to get my hands on you, and also a powdered donut. :)

  • @rednecktrucker1969 hehe man, I love powdered donuts. I can eat 6 of those little ones with some ice cold milk or orange juice and be set. hehe

  • It's the The Shroud of TruthSurge.

  • @dtm52 i know. but I didn't take monetary advantage of it. :(

  • God may have tried to evoke another Immaculate Conception but got to excited and missed his target?

  • @Gliese581f that's a scary thought. And he didn't even announce it to me first!

  • It's the hand of baby jesus.

  • @NicolSD now that's a theory. it does look smaller yet bigger than a baby's hand. maybe it's the boy Jesus at around 13?

  • @TruthSurge Now that IS interesting. Since we know so little about Jesus' childhood, this could be the key that opens the door to new knowledge.

  • @NicolSD And to think... he waited all this time to choose ME! Me, of all people, to start down a new path of enlightenment. A new insight into the mysteries of baby Jesus! I am so honored! I hope I get some gifts like from some wise men or something. I could use a few items.

  • @TruthSurge Would you prefer mir or frankincense?

  • @NicolSD I guess mir.  Frankincense sounds too much like Frankenstein. :)

  • The t-shirt of Turin ?

  • @Nhurm tee of TENN

  • @Nhurm It must have been - till I wiped it off with my hand. aha it was just lint after all. :(

  • yeah that's your hand...

  • if you "say" it's the hand of god you could sell that shirt for huge money!

  • @dgeypscun I know, I was just thinking the same thing. man, damn ethics always getting in my way when it comes to making millions.

  • Have you been to Isengard recently? You may have gotten drunk and joined the Uruk Hai Army by mistake. :)

  • @JabberCT no, I think I'd remember that. hehe

  • Too bad it didn't form Jesus on your shirt, I hear that sort of stuff goes for lots of money on ebay.

  • @MageGrayWolf I wish it had now that I think of it! well, then there's always white paint and my airbrush. hmmmm

  • I think they recently discovered that the Shroud of Turin's marks were dryer lint also.

  • @gamutman that's what I heard. heh

  • If I had to guess, I'd say someone probably hurled the Pillsbury dough-boy at your abdomen when you weren't looking.

  • @L00NGB00W yeah, it has a kind of pudginess to it. heh

  • It's simply peroxide. Kids walk in crowds with their hand drenched in peroxide and they find people with black shirts and slap them.

    If you ever find one PUNCH him.

  • @AtheismTV

    I don't buy that it's not his own hands that were the cause of it. Plus what kid smacks their hand at an angle like that. It's going down wards, unless someone was giving him a hug. It's the position of someone resting their hands on their own shirt.

    The tips of his fingers may not print. It could make the print look like a different hand.

    He's an artist who more than likely has perhaps dirty hands sometimes or touched something that he didn't know could cause something like this.

  • @mrx00666 That's always possible. I'm not saying it HAS to be a prankster who did it. But this definitely looks like hydrogen peroxide or bleach decoloration. Moreover bleach smells strongly and he would have noticed. Peroxide doesn't smell much anything.

  • @AtheismTV It was lint. I wiped it off shortly after I made the vid and funny thing, even if I show the shirt again, some people would claim I have TWO black tees. etc etc. People convinced of a thing can rarely be convinced to let it go.

    At the time of the vid, I had no idea what it really was but after the vid I knew it was the lint from my clothes washer.

  • @mrx00666 But the problem is, why would I lie about something so insignificant? Where's my motive? and why wouldn't I simply take this opportunity to create a FUNNY vid by painting something funnier than a simple hand? And who's hand rests in that position ON their belly? and why if it was my hand is the hand about 30% smaller than mine and why are the fingers so much thicker than mine? It isn't my hand at all and I didn't paint it or create it.

    It's why I made the video.

  • @TruthSurge

    It could very well be that it happened, but you didn't notice it when it did.

    Here's a fun idea. why don't you test out what your finger prints would look like if you did this in several ways.

    1.) Regular palm slap onto the shirt, completely touching.

    2.) a grabbing imprint where you grab or pull on part of the shirt.

    3.) see what a print looks like with only bits of your hand have contact with the shirt.

    There are many reasons why your hand and the print differ.

  • @mrx00666 "There are many reasons why your hand and the print differ."

    THere's only one reason they differ. It's not my hand print.

  • @TruthSurge

    dust on you hand is not complete covering you hand...

    well???

  • @mrx00666 So, are you saying that I lied? Or that I touched my shirt with my hand and somehow left that mark? I'm pretty aware of most things that happen to me and again, there's no way I make that mark with my own hand while wearing the shirt. I'd have to break my forearm to get my hand at that angle.

  • @TruthSurge

    And yes people do lay their hands on their bellies sometimes while sleeping. It happens.

  • @mrx00666 not at that angle. try to get your wrist angled like that.

  • @mrx00666 and again, my hand size is way bigger than that imprint. And if I did make it with my hand accidentally, then why is there no evidence of a wiping action? and why only right there? wouldn't it have wiped to the right if I did it in my sleep? or smeared all around? sure it would have. But luckily for me, it is not up to me to convince someone that I didn't do it on purpose.

  • @mrx00666 Your best explanation would be that I deliberately painted it on using an airbrush. Since I have been known to paint a tee shirt or two.

  • @TruthSurge

    Look, man I'm not saying that you're a liar or faking this. I'm saying that it's cause is not to your knowing. It happened naturally with out you ever being aware of it. It happens all the time.

    People wipe something on themselves and can't remember them doing it. When it happened they were unaware. It's so simple.

    There's nothing weird about this. You got some sort of dust on your hands, it doesn't cover every single spec of your hand and you left a subtle print. END

  • @mrx00666 You are allowed to believe what you want. That's what makes these times great, isn't it? But no way is that a wipe or touch from my own hand. Angle. You haven't addressed how I could even GET my hand angled down like that with my arm still attached. If I had wiped my shirt, the hand would have been angled SIDEWAYS. but you apparently don't care about reality. so, yes, it is the end.

  • @TruthSurge

    no no no...

    I'm not believing what I want to dude, I'm placing my hand on my stomach and I'm capable of having it there in an angle as such... Unless you're in a cast, having wrist problems, it can happen. I don't see how you find this an impossible task or happening.

    Is your wrist incapable of turning side to side? Is it stiff?

    Are you only looking at this while sleeping on your side? or on your back?

    What's wrong with a natural explanation?

    I live in reality

  • @TruthSurge

    Sorry, I went off the handle there. I tend to get into arguments with my Farther over matters like this.

    It's not about disagreeing, or having an idea and sticking with it, I can change what I think based on evidence, it's just that I'm not willing to accept a notion that can be way out there.

    and being that my Dad is a Neo Con douche bag always fearing the world around him and seeing things that are definitely not there, I get a bit antsy around things like this.

  • @mrx00666 No biggie. Thanks for the reply and I think most everyone who has watched a few dozen vids would know I'd never fake this unless it was for a deliberate joke. But assuming we are arguing over how it happened, I know it was lint. I don't know exactly how but it got on there AFTER I was doing the clothes but no way is it my hand because the angle is way too odd for me to even get my hand into that spot. But anyway, no biggie!

  • @AtheismTV do they really do that? I know bleach will do that but that'd eat their skin off. haha

  • It's the Mark of Saruman! You're an orc.

  • @GoblinXXX  dammit. well, I guess I can cancel my reservations at this ritzy restaurant tonight. I've got to find some hobbits to kill!!!!

  • @TruthSurge Here's a Middle Earth joke you can appreciate: What's the difference between a dwarf miner and an orc in a fancy restaurant?

    One knows his pick, and the other picks his nose.

  • @GoblinXXX  HEHEHE!

  • Sorry, my bad. I was rubbing your tummy for good luck while you were asleep. :(

  • @gabiotta is that all you were rubbing while I was asleep? HEHEHEHHEHEHE

  • It's Jeebus' hand after a long session with his best friend.

  • @rozeboosje dang it. I told him to keep that to himself and leave me out of it! But he kept yelling "I'm coming soon... I'm ... coming... SOOOOON!" hell, I just thought he meant.... well, anyway.

  • TS

    Stranger things have happened...with purely natural causes, of course.

    Well, I'm really looking forward to 11b. This "empty tomb" series is turning out to be one of my favorites, hands down. Guess that's bcuz, while many would see this as all just coincidences, it's been supported by an accumulation of evidence, which you have consistently demonstrated throughout the series.

    Thanks for all your work in reconstructing and presenting the book in a video series.

  • @Cootabux thank ya! I have enjoyed making the vids. Extremely time-consuming but fun still. Partly because once I'm done, they stand as a testament to my beliefs and understandings which ANYONE can take advantage of and weigh for themselves.

  • You've been marked by the White Hand of Saruman.

  • @DarkSanctuaryBBS i knew it. dammit. now I gotta find that cell # for Frodo I threw away a while back.

  • @DarkSanctuaryBBS i knew it. dammit. now I gotta find that cell # for Frodo I threw away a while back.

  • @DarkSanctuaryBBS i knew it. dammit. now I gotta find that cell phone nbr for Frodo I threw away a while back.

  • @DarkSanctuaryBBS i knew it. dammit. now I gotta find that cell phone nbr for Frodo I threw away a while back.

  • Would you have made this video if it had been your underpants instead of your shirt?

    Have you checked if the handprint had a nail hole? Could be JC's hand.

  • @pilgrimpater Oh, I definitely would have made it then. that would have been miraculous. a hand print on my crotch? gee, maybe a demon was trying to... no, banish the thought! heheheh no, luckily, no stigmata.

  • One time; a friend's wallet mysteriously appeared in my pocket when he wasn't looking. I think it was magic or something.

  • @distantlightning1968 pickpocketed by one of the FSM pirates :0 proof right there man!!!

  • @distantlightning1968 it happens. :)

  • Did you cook with flour or starch, TruthSurge? White, chalky drywalls anywhere? Rummaging around in the garage or attic, then scratching your chest with dusty hands?

    Any other idea that comes to mind circles around: don't do drugs! Just kidding.

  • @virumoz it was lint from my clothes dryer, I'm sure. Cuz i was cleaning it and putting clothes in there tonight. that couldn't have been more than 30 minutes b4 I noticed the stuff. so, that's what it was I'm sure.

  • Did you buy that Tee shirt from Bill Clinton? ;)

  • @unixhead101 I've got a friend in a low place yes

    where Lewinski went down and her pretty face blew me away

    now I'm okay

    well I'm not big but in most cases

    she left with a smile and DNA traces

    oh I've got a friend.... in a low place, yes.

    HEHEHHEHEHEHE (sung to Friends in low places)

  • Here's a supernatural test. Wash the shirt. If it comes back ...

  • @SuperSoylent2 hehe well, I wiped it off already with my hand. It had to be the lint from my dryer. and black would make it show up like that. I wonder if I try to wad it up on the dryer with more lint can I get some more images? NOOOOO! You're dabbling in the occult!

  • @TruthSurge It's okay - dabble away. Any problems you have with the occult can be easily fixed by Jebus so no worries.

  • A mysterious print indeed! Though I think it needs a slice of Virgin Mary toast and a football record of 320 to be considred a REAL sign.

  • @TempleOfInanna2 Some people might think I did it with paint or flour or such but it really appeared on its own and it was kind of freaky so I made the vid just cuz it's kind of lonely here by myself. HAHHAHAHA

  • @TruthSurge Oh yeah. I've seen odd stuff like that. Clouds that appear to look like angels, devils and animals. Hell, one time a bit of Captain Crunch in my bowl took on the likeness of a penis, it was odd lol. I think people can take any random occurance as a sign if they wan't to bad enough.

  • awesome video, faved :DDDD

  • @robertwlester oh, cmon, man. This vid sucked. hahahha But I had to make it because that image was real. I did not make that myself.

  • @TruthSurge :)

  • lol

  • Oh oh protein stain.

  • @sclf oh, cmon, man.  It'd be a white shirt if that was the case. DOH

  • Someone used your shirt as a nutrag.

  • @goodsnap2 what??? why that son of a..... I should have known.

  • @TruthSurge

    If you were not a rational person, you could look at that shirt and see the hand of god (pareidolia) or Allah. Thankfully, you are rational and you realize that random substances can create recognizable images. Peace.

  • @0gods Yep. Poor other people who are trapped in their fairy tales.... man, but hey, they might get all excited and happy if they saw it. But then... what if they saw a goat head???

  • truthsurge is touched by jebus!

    jebus touched my six pack with love!

    the tiny little mark, where his bellend was parked,

    is a truly gracious gift from above.

  • @jimthepleb Maybe it's a sign that I should lose some weight? I mean, my belly is hanging out some lately. Or... maybe I'm pregnant with god's SECOND son!! yeah, that's it!

  • check your crotch :O

  • @jjcrazi holy cow! there's a black hand print down there! oh no..... what could it mean?

  • Ha Ha

  • or buy a new washing machine...praise be to him that marks mysterious tshirts, whilst leaving the sick to die...

  • @lawbag1 no, this shirt was all black earlier today and I think I just got some dust on it when I removed the lint from the filter. Then I noticed it like maybe 30 min later. Still weird how it made that shape.

  • did you wash a glove with the tshirt at the same time? - either that or it MUST be the hand of god...its a miracle, because there is NO other explanation...god is great, I guess you must now believe in god and convert back to a christian or something.

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