These techniques are great. I learned some of them too. But I have a question; is someone here fighting for real with a bokuto (bokken)? Like handling the sword at normal speed? I do. And it's kind of hard to use these techniques as good as shown in this video when you are fighting at normal speed against an enemy who does his own movements. ;D
Training at its finest huh for the peoples comments below me there's no such thing as perfect or anything pertaining to anything like that in this world. It doesn't matter how great anybody is nothing is perfect not even this fine video but, I have to say I enjoyed this I'm learning so much.
Cut the tendons of the enemy hands and your attacker cannot continue to attack. Makes a lot of sense. I had my thumb broken once during similar training with bokkens.
Question, now I know nothing about this but from watching, if the defending guy blocks the attackers wrists with his sword like he appears to be doing, wouldnt the momentum of the attackers sword still swing around and hit the guy whos defending? I mean if you cut the attackers wrists the sword isnt just automatically going to stop right? Or something even like at 4:36 they wouldnt they both die since the guy being stabbed isnt just going to stop mid swing? Maybe I just dont understand.
@swchamberlain You don't understand. 800 years of heritage doesn't lie, if there were any imperfections they would have corrected them a LONG time ago.
@OtakuWulf There are always imperfections, or all styles of martial arts would be identical to one another. I however certainly did not mean to offend you and I am sure this guy really knows his stuff, but it has to do with simple physics. You cant stop the forward motion of a sword by severing a pivot point. The defenders only choice would be to move to the side when he blocks to avoid being hit and it doesnt look like he is doing that, of course he could be showing the class what not to do. =)
@swchamberlain The problem is you're assuming there's only one perfect art. Perfect Iaido would be different from Perfect Kenjutsu would be different from Perfect Boxing. Perfect Muay Thai would be different from Perfect Hapkido. Almost all martial arts have specific histories and ideals that outline what they are, and how practitioners use them.
@swchamberlain i think when the hand is cut the attcker would jerk back stopping the attack like if you cut your hand without thinking you draw the hand back.
@swchamberlain thats good point. as far as i have learned, when you counter attack like in 4:36, you must slightly avoid the line of the cut. that is why the very effective techniques are full of details, which are all very important.
@swchamberlain The momentum of the sword doesn't really matter in these cases because in order of the sword to still hit the other guy, the attacker's wrist would have to bend weird. In addition, his(the attackers) second hand near the pommel area provides too much control for the sword to do what it wants.
how can the trend towards weapons in aikido be a decline.Aikido originated in jujutsu and KENJUTSU(thats swordwork for the rednecks)and the weapons have been gradually removed to the point where the techniques wont work as they were designed to by Morehei Ueshiba(the founder of Aikido for the rest of you rednecks)
That's Obata sensei, 7th dan teaching at the JCCC in Toronto. That's fukuro-shinai right there and he's teaching Kashima Shinryu as a part of Aikido training,
@zeroellett When I trained Aikido I was told "There are no left handed swordsman" End of discussion. I never understood this. We do other techniques left and right handed. So I learned right handed during class and practice left handed out of class. Left handed is still more natural feeling for me.
There are no left handed swordsmen in Japanese sword styles but plenty of left handed techniques(and or two sword)at lower levels of training(i.e. 10 to 20 years)thats why the techniques are so effective-no one expects them as their mind has been set in concrete
execellent technique, I can add a couple of these moves to my style. Love the fluid motion and realistic countering. your timing and understanding of intervals is outstanding. I've practiced seriously for years and can honestly say to all this is the real stuff, take note.
This is really interesting. The crouching doesn't seem necessary to me though since you are returning the kisaki to center after your kesa giri and don't let your hands travel outside your center.
@larryle7680 No. Karateka do not wear Hakkamas. I think this is Aikido, because Iaido and Kendo use different gi colors (usually blue). But I have doubts because in Aikido they usually use Bokken not Kendo Sticks (forgot the japanese name, sorry)
Has anyone ever heard of San Ju Roo (Im not really sure how to transliterate it, but its Japanese and it has judo jujitsu kungfu kendo everything ) I cant seem to find it on the internet. I got to learn some sword techniques like those but I was only in it for one year. long time ago. What is a good place to start learning? what art is the foundational?
Great video showing some very interesting, subtle and high-level techniques. I found 6:35-6:45 particularly cool, but there are many other exchanges that are very useful. I've actually seen 7:12-7:22 used in a kendo match as the winning point, which was pretty cool :)
This is a terrific video. Unfortunately, there seems to be a declining trend towards the use of weapons in aikido. What a shame. Thank you for sharing.
n karate my sensei would use his shinai to make us defend realistically with our arms other wise we would get smashed in the head. it hurt at the begining but its all conditioning aswell. best defence is an offence which means while you defend you gotta hurt them.
Again, this is an Aikido class. Just because he is using shinai usually used in Kashima Shinryu, does not mean that is what he is doing.
Aikido is a a study of principles more than a study of techniques. Mitsugi Saotome often uses straight shinai to illustrate the same principles and I don't think he has ANY background in Kashima Shinryu.
Nope. if you have studied the techniques, you cant miss them when someone else does them (albeit badly). These are Kashima shinryu Ura dachi techniques. There are many videos of Inaba doing them here on yt. Not that hard to find
Not to mention he calls out each technique name before he performs them. qed
This is Aikido, not Kenjutsu or Kendo. They are using shinai in this video. The instructor is explaining Aiki principles of movement using the sword to show how to enter into the attacker's center. They are not fighting or learning how to fight with swords.
Well, this kenjutsu i believe, real battle style. I doubt it has "just for scoring a hit first" moves.
In all honesty, this strike seems to be very dangerous to me. I practice German sword fencing and in our style maintaining control of the opponent's blade or stepping away from the line of attack is essential just for this very reason.
Actually it is a warped version of koryu kenjutsu, co-opted by aikidoka as taught by Yamaguchi or Inaba and passed down to Obata performed in an aikido class in toronto
The move at 4:25 wouldn't work too well, since attacker would come a full circle and hit him in the hand anyway. Slapping the sword away would work better.
Haraitachi, it's so good to hear from a 'real' swordsman, a genuine master of what I can only assume is ken-jutsu. Please enlighten me in the 'true' meanng of bushido and teach me the true way of the katana. Your remarks DO show a certain amount of knowledge, the kind you find from a book. These techniques are actually principles behind techniques developed along an aiki-ken path or ken-do path, PRINCIPLES
Once again, another demonstration of a teacher not knowing the material he is teaching, these technques are so watered down and mis-understood. Why not learn from the "source"? The fact that he has any students proves the fact that 99.9% of the population does not understand or grasp BULL-SHIDO from Shinbu.
what the hell is this shit. another demonstration. Im tired of seeing these so called sword masters just give demo. i wanna see some real sword/bokken sparring and not a damn demo. its just about all they could do. does anyone actually know a sword training school that actually teaches how to sword fight and not do katas, demos and all of that useless shit.
Do you have clashes of blades in mind? Then it's the modern day Kendo school. Old styles are very simple (but hard) with few steps and few or even a single killing blow. And that's it. One swing, one kill, was the idealism. It was a practical killing technique which ends in seconds. So it's either a demo or a real kill.
It does worry me though that you think Katas are useless. The focus and technique you gain is as real as it gets.
these Bokken Techniques are great.i am have a problem with my training parters speed he is to fast for me but i think with these Techniques i will be that mush closer to beating him. thanks for the video
OH YA!!?? OH YA? Well your a poophead and your muther dresses you funny (and YES i know i spelled mother incorrectly) and NO, physics has NOTHING to do w the seniority of this teacher.
And your arrogant ass attitude just shows what an ignorant ass elitist you are. Being as I stupid I won't even guess what you consider an education. But I will assume this looking down your nose approach is typical of your approach towards those who tell you to shut the fuck up.
Look egghead, I am certainly no one who needs to stand up and defend Obata sensei. And that was Not my intent. It WAS my intent to point out that random YouTube Geeks, like yourself, need to stop picking apart lessons that they CLEARLY have no grasp of. As I have only worked w Obata at seminars I can't, and certainly would not, speak for him.
But for myself I can say...Just shut the fuck up you Ignorant ass Child. And I'm trying to be nice here in assuming you're a child as it is my experience that ONLY an ignorant ass child would attempt to dictate to a teacher of this mans experience what IS a proper lesson and what is NOT. Let's look at the physics of it: My finger, pressed up against your head, between your eyes, would have the equal and opposite reaction of YOU being told to go FUCK yourself.
WORK?...ass, works is never a question. The practice is about improvment. if all the teacher wanted was WORKS..he'd fuckin shoot the guy w a gun. Im so sick of you silly ass egg heads who question a master teacher. Wanna know if he can Make It Work?, Go kick him in the ass then ANALIZE what the fuck he does to you...ASS
obviously u are dumb you are aggressively attacking a random internet question ....yes he is a master ..and he is "teaching " a good teacher will always ask a student to question ..it is a part of the learning process .some styles encourage flow/form and grace and some are combat based
physics state energy can be diverted at a mid point ...so i can see that technique works when both participants are attune to flow and the receiver goes with the movement ,if the force and speed increases its journey dosent remain the same, i am commenting on the straight cut from jordan ,where he catches the wrist with the tip of his shinai and rolls it accross
the leverage at full speed is what im asking about
the student here takes the cut and goes with the roll.my question then ,if the student had speed/force/mass the trajectory would still hit the teacher ,particularly cause this is two hand grip on the weapon,one hand cut but other hand continues the direction,and that the teacher is not just deflecting the cut away from his body(he actually places himself under the path)this might be a wonderful technique but have no combat application
got to disagree with u here puppy. This is practice techniques for sword. If it was a live blade u wouldn't need to worry about the weight mass and acceleration cos the opponent would have no hands? Might be worrying about the falling blade tho?
no problems, hard to get a decent argument on these comments pages let alone intelligent ones.
i know what your saying tho, i'd have thought moving your center off the direct line as you perform the technique would've been appropriate ... who am i to second guess a master tho :)
Yeah you guys are right. There is ALOT of "Ifs" in real combat. like the momentum and falling of the blade if his hands are cut off. Also if the person themselves would actually have the strength, speed, and skill to deliver such counters.
look skippy, this is not a physics lesson and dictating how a teacher at his level "should " teach is just ignorant. instead of dictating "how" he should teach or demonstarting your ability to be longwinded how bout you just shut the fuck up. NOBUDY cares about your opinion. So eat shit and bark at the fuckin moon egghead....
hahaha ...you know nothing about me and every hostile reply shows your stupidity !!...i was not initially giving an opinion i was asking a question ...physics and bio-mechanics has everything to do with martial arts
i wish to take up a kata form but im not sure i would be able to wield one right bcuz some years ago i broke my wrist and i lost 50% mobility in it does anyone think i would still be able to learn in this form?
Obata Sensei's teacher studied with the last Grandmaster of Kashima Ryu and taught him a form that is similar to the most current forms in Kashima. It is a slight variation. Obata breaks it down wonderfully. His knowledge of Ken, aikido and aiki-Ken is simply incredible and he is able to blend it like no one else.
If you look on Youtube for Inaba Minoru sensi you will alternative demonstrations of the Urachachi from Kashima Shinryu shown here. They have a lot in common with each other - I like what Obata sensei is showing.
Because of body contact this kata is usually done with fukuro shinai, but can be done with bokken (bokuto). Also with live blades - see another clip - no contact though!
I see from the jcccaikikai site that Obata sensei studied with Tanaka sensei the previous kancho of the Shiseikan, where Inaba sensei is the current Kancho - hence the similarities (although of course there are differences).
(Minor point of clarification - this video is of Obata Osamu rather than Obata Toshishiro who is the founder of Shinkendo).
"That's Obata sensei, 7th dan teaching at the JCCC in Toronto. That's fukurojinai right there and he's teaching Kashima Shinryu as a part of Aikido training"
They are called Fukuro-Shinai. I believe the Yagu Shinkage Ryu use them. Tozando and e-bogu have them. However I haven't seen them with tusba before, sweet.
Thanks for the info. I have old movies of the Friendship Demonstrations in Japan. There are a couple of demos from sword schools using them.If I can ever figure out how to extract segments of the dvds I made from the originals, I'll be happy to post some.
oh ya..thats Obata sensei....and tto the clownwho said NOT PROPER..are you a crackhead? Sensei is one of the guys who dictates correct...your just another youtube ass
That's Obata sensei, 7th dan teaching at the JCCC in Toronto. That's fukurojinai right there and he's teaching Kashima Shinryu as a part of Aikido training, all u smartasses who think hes not about quality please come and practice with us. He's definitely one of the best teachers in north america with a handful of other people who teach Aikido at such a high level.
I don't think thats Obata sensei, but who knows where this person got this footage it could be a misnomer. Anyhoo I think that those are called fukuro-shinai, typical of yagyu shinkage but the techniques don't look like that. I'm not sure. Ono-ha Itto ryu? Does anyone have any suggestions?
Was the 'teacher' speaking japanese? I couldn't hear clearly. Regardless I don't think that is proper Kenjutsu. The techniques seem like an offshoot of Kendo though. Someone said it was Shinkendo?
Nice but in my opinion the technique at 4:15 is a foolish one. The slipping of the arm is ok, but the black guy doesn´t parry the last hit of the white man. He points his collar but when the white man drops his arm he will hit the black guys head. So they would kill each other and thats wrong. I think it qould be better to parry the hit
Wrong, Shidachi Tsuki's Uchidachi in the throat, Uchidachi's cut was aimed at a standing opponent, thus there is no power lower down, Shidachi has also moved in so close that any blow received will be with the Tsuka.
The old man was holding back, he didn't have to do the second technique because if he hadn't pulled back the black guy would have been split open because he didn't back up. The guy moved his hand out of the way without bothering to move his body.
The black guy doesn't need to parry, if he thrusts upwards he thrusts into the brain and then when the other guy's sword comes down, he can slide sideways, out of the way.
what kind of teacher or sensei disrespects his sword by dragging ti around like he does? i think thats pretty bad... otherwise nice techniques similar to what i do
What kind of person publicly points out only mistakes instead of discussing the million other things that a sensei of Obata-Sensei's quality does to near perfection? And that's assuming that he actually made a mistake, which he most likely did not. IMHO, the most logical conclusion would b that you are mistaken.
Undoubtedly critical,but also with enough chutspa to voice their criticism about a high-ranking shihan, but not enough intelligence or knowledge to discern whether or not a mistake has been made. But that youtube for ya... or so I'm discovering.
These techniques are great. I learned some of them too. But I have a question; is someone here fighting for real with a bokuto (bokken)? Like handling the sword at normal speed? I do. And it's kind of hard to use these techniques as good as shown in this video when you are fighting at normal speed against an enemy who does his own movements. ;D
Biscuitgamer 19 hours ago
Training at its finest huh for the peoples comments below me there's no such thing as perfect or anything pertaining to anything like that in this world. It doesn't matter how great anybody is nothing is perfect not even this fine video but, I have to say I enjoyed this I'm learning so much.
Kuroto07 1 month ago
AFRO SAMURAI !!!!!
fightrider187 4 months ago
This is the Ura Dachi series of Kata from Kashima Shin Ryu. Mr. Obata was probably taught this by Shigeho Tanaka Shihan who teaches at Maiji Jingu
BillQstel 5 months ago in playlist Bokken Techniques
TRAINING AT IT'S FINEST.
ottomarie 5 months ago
Respond to this video... America will recover you twit
jinnd319 6 months ago
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jinnd319 6 months ago
Yhea! I love Obata videos, he'd kick the shit out of Chuck Norris
foll444 6 months ago
This is awesome because most of this he's teaching can be used in kendo as well.
ChaosTheoryBGE 6 months ago
@ChaosTheoryBGE That is because Obata teaches Shinkendo, which incorporates a number of sword styles, including Kendo. Google 'Shinkendo Wikipedia'
hil001profile 6 months ago
Cut the tendons of the enemy hands and your attacker cannot continue to attack. Makes a lot of sense. I had my thumb broken once during similar training with bokkens.
bamboo4tameshigiri 9 months ago
Fighting style, which were evolved during 800 MUST be near something, which is described as perfect
Horyn 10 months ago
Question, now I know nothing about this but from watching, if the defending guy blocks the attackers wrists with his sword like he appears to be doing, wouldnt the momentum of the attackers sword still swing around and hit the guy whos defending? I mean if you cut the attackers wrists the sword isnt just automatically going to stop right? Or something even like at 4:36 they wouldnt they both die since the guy being stabbed isnt just going to stop mid swing? Maybe I just dont understand.
swchamberlain 11 months ago
@swchamberlain You don't understand. 800 years of heritage doesn't lie, if there were any imperfections they would have corrected them a LONG time ago.
OtakuWulf 11 months ago
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@OtakuWulf There are always imperfections, or all styles of martial arts would be identical to one another. I however certainly did not mean to offend you and I am sure this guy really knows his stuff, but it has to do with simple physics. You cant stop the forward motion of a sword by severing a pivot point. The defenders only choice would be to move to the side when he blocks to avoid being hit and it doesnt look like he is doing that, of course he could be showing the class what not to do. =)
swchamberlain 11 months ago
@swchamberlain The problem is you're assuming there's only one perfect art. Perfect Iaido would be different from Perfect Kenjutsu would be different from Perfect Boxing. Perfect Muay Thai would be different from Perfect Hapkido. Almost all martial arts have specific histories and ideals that outline what they are, and how practitioners use them.
atjnAdfhhjea 5 months ago
@swchamberlain i think when the hand is cut the attcker would jerk back stopping the attack like if you cut your hand without thinking you draw the hand back.
toxi87 8 months ago
@swchamberlain and apears he is moving the hand away with the cutt as well.
toxi87 8 months ago
@swchamberlain thats good point. as far as i have learned, when you counter attack like in 4:36, you must slightly avoid the line of the cut. that is why the very effective techniques are full of details, which are all very important.
iaijin 8 months ago
@swchamberlain The momentum of the sword doesn't really matter in these cases because in order of the sword to still hit the other guy, the attacker's wrist would have to bend weird. In addition, his(the attackers) second hand near the pommel area provides too much control for the sword to do what it wants.
atjnAdfhhjea 8 months ago
@atjnAdfhhjea only if he uses two handed technique. What happens with one handed?
jinnd319 6 months ago
@jinnd319 I think you would have to counter it differently because the body would move differently with a one handed swing.
atjnAdfhhjea 6 months ago
@atjnAdfhhjea not to mention the balence of the sword and power of the swing are completly diferent
raysetiger285 5 months ago
how can the trend towards weapons in aikido be a decline.Aikido originated in jujutsu and KENJUTSU(thats swordwork for the rednecks)and the weapons have been gradually removed to the point where the techniques wont work as they were designed to by Morehei Ueshiba(the founder of Aikido for the rest of you rednecks)
jadekayak01 11 months ago
afro samurai
zoid47 11 months ago
This doesnt look like master Obata
nickyfazzo 1 year ago
That's Obata sensei, 7th dan teaching at the JCCC in Toronto. That's fukuro-shinai right there and he's teaching Kashima Shinryu as a part of Aikido training,
mateo2006 1 year ago
Good teaching and learning. Good Demo. Interesting, thanks!
GuitarHall 1 year ago
Hey does anyone know where I can find left handed sword techniques? It would be greatly appreciated
zeroellett 1 year ago
@zeroellett When I trained Aikido I was told "There are no left handed swordsman" End of discussion. I never understood this. We do other techniques left and right handed. So I learned right handed during class and practice left handed out of class. Left handed is still more natural feeling for me.
gottitgood4me 11 months ago
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There are no left handed swordsmen in Japanese sword styles but plenty of left handed techniques(and or two sword)at lower levels of training(i.e. 10 to 20 years)thats why the techniques are so effective-no one expects them as their mind has been set in concrete
jadekayak01 11 months ago
execellent technique, I can add a couple of these moves to my style. Love the fluid motion and realistic countering. your timing and understanding of intervals is outstanding. I've practiced seriously for years and can honestly say to all this is the real stuff, take note.
MrWaterfighter 1 year ago
This is really interesting. The crouching doesn't seem necessary to me though since you are returning the kisaki to center after your kesa giri and don't let your hands travel outside your center.
ronin2167 1 year ago
This is Kashima Shin Ryu using leather covered shinai
Oluwadan 1 year ago
Seems to be practical and efficient. Refreshing to see this here.
uker23 1 year ago
What kind of sword are these? Is this plastic?
fullweedman 1 year ago
@fullweedman Wood. Usually Japanese Oak.
xeperudesu 1 year ago
@xeperudesu you are wrong. these are leather covered shinai.
CaptainLutra 1 year ago
@fullweedman Japanse White Oak
MrTerramittica 1 year ago
@MrTerramittica you are wrong. these are leather covered shinai.
CaptainLutra 1 year ago
Thats Colin and Obata sensei, really nice people..fished with them at a lake in Lowerstof
calodin 1 year ago
i love how the black guy gets the old man off guard a few times but he just plays it off like the black guy did somthing wrong
TalkingToyInside 1 year ago
@TalkingToyInside No. He's teaching.
Welther47 1 year ago
wat is this karate????
larryle7680 1 year ago
@larryle7680 No. Karateka do not wear Hakkamas. I think this is Aikido, because Iaido and Kendo use different gi colors (usually blue). But I have doubts because in Aikido they usually use Bokken not Kendo Sticks (forgot the japanese name, sorry)
TheMimeGogo 1 year ago
what is this? too many McDojo around
Hawaiianstile 1 year ago
Has anyone ever heard of San Ju Roo (Im not really sure how to transliterate it, but its Japanese and it has judo jujitsu kungfu kendo everything ) I cant seem to find it on the internet. I got to learn some sword techniques like those but I was only in it for one year. long time ago. What is a good place to start learning? what art is the foundational?
luxuriating 1 year ago
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capcomfan2010 2 years ago
i bet those americans were sailors or marines stationed in japan...
nav2491i 2 years ago
Great video showing some very interesting, subtle and high-level techniques. I found 6:35-6:45 particularly cool, but there are many other exchanges that are very useful. I've actually seen 7:12-7:22 used in a kendo match as the winning point, which was pretty cool :)
tejumo7 2 years ago
This is a terrific video. Unfortunately, there seems to be a declining trend towards the use of weapons in aikido. What a shame. Thank you for sharing.
bushin64 2 years ago
n karate my sensei would use his shinai to make us defend realistically with our arms other wise we would get smashed in the head. it hurt at the begining but its all conditioning aswell. best defence is an offence which means while you defend you gotta hurt them.
raulurrutia 2 years ago
holy crap there actually teaching them to hit the body and not the other sword kudos:)
Draglion123 2 years ago 13
Again, this is an Aikido class. Just because he is using shinai usually used in Kashima Shinryu, does not mean that is what he is doing.
Aikido is a a study of principles more than a study of techniques. Mitsugi Saotome often uses straight shinai to illustrate the same principles and I don't think he has ANY background in Kashima Shinryu.
Deke101 2 years ago
Nope. if you have studied the techniques, you cant miss them when someone else does them (albeit badly). These are Kashima shinryu Ura dachi techniques. There are many videos of Inaba doing them here on yt. Not that hard to find
Not to mention he calls out each technique name before he performs them. qed
punchy999 2 years ago
Then I stand corrected. I can admit when I'm wrong.
I have only seen Kashima Shinryu in passing. But I CAN see the similarities of Aikiken in what he was demonstrating.
Deke101 2 years ago
This is Aikido, not Kenjutsu or Kendo. They are using shinai in this video. The instructor is explaining Aiki principles of movement using the sword to show how to enter into the attacker's center. They are not fighting or learning how to fight with swords.
Deke101 2 years ago
In a way you are right this is not kenjutsu, but you are also wrong in thinking that what Obata means to impart in his teaching is not kenjutsu.
If he wanted to explain aiki principles he would use some of the better known variants of aikiken instead of kashima shinryu.
punchy999 2 years ago
Yo, this is my dojo. All he's doing is demonstrating the techniques for the class. - it's an aikido class in toronto.
bobbyhorvat 2 years ago
What style of kenjutsu is this? It's interesting and I haven't seen these kata before.
Also, those weren't bokken, were they? They look and sound more like fukuro shinai.
yoruketseki 2 years ago
it looks like Kashima Shinryu to me, but not sure
youngaikidoka 2 years ago
This is Aikido and yes, they are using shinai.
Deke101 2 years ago
Well, this kenjutsu i believe, real battle style. I doubt it has "just for scoring a hit first" moves.
In all honesty, this strike seems to be very dangerous to me. I practice German sword fencing and in our style maintaining control of the opponent's blade or stepping away from the line of attack is essential just for this very reason.
Ranziel1 2 years ago
this is kenjutsu, its an effective sword fighting style that doesnt require much effort or energy
moeyasui 2 years ago
Actually, this is an Aikido class in Toronto.
Deke101 2 years ago
Actually it is a warped version of koryu kenjutsu, co-opted by aikidoka as taught by Yamaguchi or Inaba and passed down to Obata performed in an aikido class in toronto
if you really want to be specific
punchy999 2 years ago
Lol, now that you mention it, that room looks a little familiar (well similar to two or three dojos I've seen in TO), which Dojo is this?
Onikagenokageyama 2 years ago
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fucken niggers cant fight
3LliOtTD0GG123 2 years ago
WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR DEAL?!?!?
SchoolGoth 2 years ago
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FUCK!!!!!!!!
3LliOtTD0GG123 2 years ago
well, i believe you are wrong. the sensei chose the guy to demonstrate because he must have been a good student. Btw, they aren't fighting.
aurabird 2 years ago
take your ignorant wight trash bullshit some pla ce elss no one wants to hear it man fuck off
dragonslayer1003 2 years ago 13
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HAHA FUCK U NIGGER
3LliOtTD0GG123 2 years ago
@dragonslayer1003 I take Shinkendo, and as far as I can tell, all his forms are correct.
Nathanroqs 1 year ago
wow you are idiot.
MihaZ 2 years ago
The move at 4:25 wouldn't work too well, since attacker would come a full circle and hit him in the hand anyway. Slapping the sword away would work better.
Ranziel1 2 years ago
Haraitachi, it's so good to hear from a 'real' swordsman, a genuine master of what I can only assume is ken-jutsu. Please enlighten me in the 'true' meanng of bushido and teach me the true way of the katana. Your remarks DO show a certain amount of knowledge, the kind you find from a book. These techniques are actually principles behind techniques developed along an aiki-ken path or ken-do path, PRINCIPLES
aikifan77 2 years ago
You can definantly see the correlation between the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu tradition in this demonstration, again awesome.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Awesome video, thank you
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Once again, another demonstration of a teacher not knowing the material he is teaching, these technques are so watered down and mis-understood. Why not learn from the "source"? The fact that he has any students proves the fact that 99.9% of the population does not understand or grasp BULL-SHIDO from Shinbu.
haraitachi 2 years ago
this is a good video
ilikeanimerofl 3 years ago
Indeed, those are shinai, not bokken.
iambobmai 3 years ago
what the hell is this shit. another demonstration. Im tired of seeing these so called sword masters just give demo. i wanna see some real sword/bokken sparring and not a damn demo. its just about all they could do. does anyone actually know a sword training school that actually teaches how to sword fight and not do katas, demos and all of that useless shit.
AgentCell 3 years ago
Do you have clashes of blades in mind? Then it's the modern day Kendo school. Old styles are very simple (but hard) with few steps and few or even a single killing blow. And that's it. One swing, one kill, was the idealism. It was a practical killing technique which ends in seconds. So it's either a demo or a real kill.
It does worry me though that you think Katas are useless. The focus and technique you gain is as real as it gets.
bryanbhu 3 years ago
(Just to add, bearing in mind that "clashes of blades" is shinai in Kendo for obvious reasons of safety.)
bryanbhu 3 years ago
I agree about the kata - proficiency is only achieve through repeated training i.e. kata - No short cut
Karbouchard 3 years ago
agentcell - you have no idea what you are looking at
bushin64 3 years ago 2
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xaries1011 3 years ago
why look at a video about swords then? stick to your guns like all other gun slingers aka cowards do.
TheNothingIsAll 2 years ago 4
Dude, its not about fighting. Its about self discipline and having a passion for a martial art.
Graftin2006 2 years ago
watch kendo that aint demos or kata's
musicinajar 2 years ago
those are furoku shinai arent they
Dainanashi 3 years ago
Very good. I can't wait to start learning this!
tkdwar76 3 years ago
wow, these counters look really impressive. I can imagine them being used in a movie. You know, one man versus many type thing.
Souky2 3 years ago
WHOOHOOO! JACKPOT! I finally found someone who uses my type of style and shows the counters!
AceVendetta 3 years ago
very good vid, 5 stars!
chickenleg2 3 years ago
this is pretty nice
Thsiscool 3 years ago
The main purpose of using a bokken for practise is for your concentration training.
SyProductions 3 years ago
these Bokken Techniques are great.i am have a problem with my training parters speed he is to fast for me but i think with these Techniques i will be that mush closer to beating him. thanks for the video
rockleeshadow 3 years ago
OH YA!!?? OH YA? Well your a poophead and your muther dresses you funny (and YES i know i spelled mother incorrectly) and NO, physics has NOTHING to do w the seniority of this teacher.
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
were you sodomized as a child ....
puppysushi 3 years ago
yes i question your education ...cause you obviously haven't read what i wrote and your reply s are very poor attempts to be insulting
you have no comprehension skills and are not very articulate ...did you even go to school ...or were you educated with an innertube
puppysushi 3 years ago
OH YA!!?? wasnt Eat Shit and Bark at the moon "Clear" and/ or "articulate" enough for you there Skippy??
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
Howd you guess
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
And your arrogant ass attitude just shows what an ignorant ass elitist you are. Being as I stupid I won't even guess what you consider an education. But I will assume this looking down your nose approach is typical of your approach towards those who tell you to shut the fuck up.
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
Look egghead, I am certainly no one who needs to stand up and defend Obata sensei. And that was Not my intent. It WAS my intent to point out that random YouTube Geeks, like yourself, need to stop picking apart lessons that they CLEARLY have no grasp of. As I have only worked w Obata at seminars I can't, and certainly would not, speak for him.
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
But for myself I can say...Just shut the fuck up you Ignorant ass Child. And I'm trying to be nice here in assuming you're a child as it is my experience that ONLY an ignorant ass child would attempt to dictate to a teacher of this mans experience what IS a proper lesson and what is NOT. Let's look at the physics of it: My finger, pressed up against your head, between your eyes, would have the equal and opposite reaction of YOU being told to go FUCK yourself.
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
just a question....if any of these cuts came at you full power with an aggressive intent would this still work ??
i can see at this speed and power, the parry and rolls seem functional........
puppysushi 3 years ago
probably with ALOT of practice...and also if you have the abillity to block a full power attack without cutting your own sword in half lol
XfissuremanX 3 years ago
WORK?...ass, works is never a question. The practice is about improvment. if all the teacher wanted was WORKS..he'd fuckin shoot the guy w a gun. Im so sick of you silly ass egg heads who question a master teacher. Wanna know if he can Make It Work?, Go kick him in the ass then ANALIZE what the fuck he does to you...ASS
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
obviously u are dumb you are aggressively attacking a random internet question ....yes he is a master ..and he is "teaching " a good teacher will always ask a student to question ..it is a part of the learning process .some styles encourage flow/form and grace and some are combat based
so for you Neanderthal ill re phrase the question
puppysushi 3 years ago
physics state energy can be diverted at a mid point ...so i can see that technique works when both participants are attune to flow and the receiver goes with the movement ,if the force and speed increases its journey dosent remain the same, i am commenting on the straight cut from jordan ,where he catches the wrist with the tip of his shinai and rolls it accross
the leverage at full speed is what im asking about
puppysushi 3 years ago
particularly when dealing with combat mass
the student here takes the cut and goes with the roll.my question then ,if the student had speed/force/mass the trajectory would still hit the teacher ,particularly cause this is two hand grip on the weapon,one hand cut but other hand continues the direction,and that the teacher is not just deflecting the cut away from his body(he actually places himself under the path)this might be a wonderful technique but have no combat application
puppysushi 3 years ago
got to disagree with u here puppy. This is practice techniques for sword. If it was a live blade u wouldn't need to worry about the weight mass and acceleration cos the opponent would have no hands? Might be worrying about the falling blade tho?
nikaubro 3 years ago
thank you for a civil and intelligent reply ...
its sword drop that im curious about as well as positioning
and i do realize that this all is still hypothetical
puppysushi 3 years ago
no problems, hard to get a decent argument on these comments pages let alone intelligent ones.
i know what your saying tho, i'd have thought moving your center off the direct line as you perform the technique would've been appropriate ... who am i to second guess a master tho :)
nikaubro 3 years ago
Yeah you guys are right. There is ALOT of "Ifs" in real combat. like the momentum and falling of the blade if his hands are cut off. Also if the person themselves would actually have the strength, speed, and skill to deliver such counters.
KeijiMaeda86 3 years ago
look skippy, this is not a physics lesson and dictating how a teacher at his level "should " teach is just ignorant. instead of dictating "how" he should teach or demonstarting your ability to be longwinded how bout you just shut the fuck up. NOBUDY cares about your opinion. So eat shit and bark at the fuckin moon egghead....
flurtenmaniac 3 years ago
hahaha ...you know nothing about me and every hostile reply shows your stupidity !!...i was not initially giving an opinion i was asking a question ...physics and bio-mechanics has everything to do with martial arts
oh ..by the way ...
at least i can spell!!!!!
i guess having an education helped that
puppysushi 3 years ago
Great demo, reminds us about the true path of the sword, the simple way is the better way
vergaracristobal80 3 years ago
i wish to take up a kata form but im not sure i would be able to wield one right bcuz some years ago i broke my wrist and i lost 50% mobility in it does anyone think i would still be able to learn in this form?
emopain515 3 years ago
this might not mean much but its wat i say when i dont think i can learn a technique. if u want to learn it u will so yea =P
darkdimensionalangel 3 years ago
lol thanks for tha reply
emopain515 3 years ago
gee, and here I thought emos only used blades on themselves
lulzbot 3 years ago
dude if your talking about me i aint emo .-.
emopain515 3 years ago
how could this happen to meeeeeeee
lulzbot 3 years ago
No Doubt..Obata sensei demostrates the Bokken as a weapon in its own right like few others..WONDERFUL!
ReiMonCoH 4 years ago
Obata Sensei's teacher studied with the last Grandmaster of Kashima Ryu and taught him a form that is similar to the most current forms in Kashima. It is a slight variation. Obata breaks it down wonderfully. His knowledge of Ken, aikido and aiki-Ken is simply incredible and he is able to blend it like no one else.
fohnjoster 4 years ago
I thought they still had a grandmaster, am I mistaken?
lulzbot 3 years ago
If you look on Youtube for Inaba Minoru sensi you will alternative demonstrations of the Urachachi from Kashima Shinryu shown here. They have a lot in common with each other - I like what Obata sensei is showing.
Because of body contact this kata is usually done with fukuro shinai, but can be done with bokken (bokuto). Also with live blades - see another clip - no contact though!
RobertHGC 3 years ago
I see from the jcccaikikai site that Obata sensei studied with Tanaka sensei the previous kancho of the Shiseikan, where Inaba sensei is the current Kancho - hence the similarities (although of course there are differences).
(Minor point of clarification - this video is of Obata Osamu rather than Obata Toshishiro who is the founder of Shinkendo).
RobertHGC 3 years ago
Most of the techniques are very good, and i havent seen them before is this a rare art or semi freestyle?
MKwarlord 4 years ago
I'm after a bokuto video with fast combination attacks, can anybody reccomend and art of this style? (must envolve use of bokken)
MKwarlord 4 years ago
Shinkendo is what i do try looking up some videos or type in tameshigiri which is test cutting with a live blade
Risen00739400 4 years ago
Which style does Obata-sensei teach? Does anybody know?
vergaracristobal80 4 years ago
"That's Obata sensei, 7th dan teaching at the JCCC in Toronto. That's fukurojinai right there and he's teaching Kashima Shinryu as a part of Aikido training"
VegaAurora 4 years ago
Master Obata teaches shinkendo, a revived form of bushido
NeoNamae 4 years ago
i think your thinking of Toshishiro Obata i ve trained with him on multiple occasions
Risen00739400 4 years ago
I have a question. How is he keeping bokken before fight and in brakes? Where is formality of dojo ?
BigBanan14 4 years ago
LOL are they using suburito for this demo? Must have arms like popeye.
mightydagon 4 years ago
I can't remember the exact name. It is a type of shinai (but not for Kendo) that is covered in split leather... cowhide or some such.
rollingbrick 4 years ago
They are called Fukuro-Shinai. I believe the Yagu Shinkage Ryu use them. Tozando and e-bogu have them. However I haven't seen them with tusba before, sweet.
DArtois 4 years ago
Thanks for the info. I have old movies of the Friendship Demonstrations in Japan. There are a couple of demos from sword schools using them.If I can ever figure out how to extract segments of the dvds I made from the originals, I'll be happy to post some.
rollingbrick 4 years ago
oh ya..thats Obata sensei....and tto the clownwho said NOT PROPER..are you a crackhead? Sensei is one of the guys who dictates correct...your just another youtube ass
SlowBeeDies 4 years ago
That's Obata sensei, 7th dan teaching at the JCCC in Toronto. That's fukurojinai right there and he's teaching Kashima Shinryu as a part of Aikido training, all u smartasses who think hes not about quality please come and practice with us. He's definitely one of the best teachers in north america with a handful of other people who teach Aikido at such a high level.
ialexeev 4 years ago 2
Well said
VegaAurora 4 years ago
Kashima Shin-ryu
Gunyo 4 years ago
oh gee, that's what it is, okay thanks for clearing it up (should have read the comments through)
lulzbot 3 years ago
Theyre using shinais not bokken, does seem like shinkendo. im not very knowledgeable what kind of art is this?
shadowlosief 4 years ago
I don't think thats Obata sensei, but who knows where this person got this footage it could be a misnomer. Anyhoo I think that those are called fukuro-shinai, typical of yagyu shinkage but the techniques don't look like that. I'm not sure. Ono-ha Itto ryu? Does anyone have any suggestions?
EishinRyu 4 years ago
There are a lot more people with the name Obata than just Toshishiro of DaitoRyu.
swordsman5 4 years ago
Was the 'teacher' speaking japanese? I couldn't hear clearly. Regardless I don't think that is proper Kenjutsu. The techniques seem like an offshoot of Kendo though. Someone said it was Shinkendo?
nii87 4 years ago
Actually, it looks remotely like some of the Kashima-Shinryu I've seen demonstrated before. I wonder if it's related?
lulzbot 3 years ago
Really looks like Kashima Shin Ryu.
flintstonecom 3 years ago
It is Kashima shinryu. Ura Dachi as done by Inaba. It really is nuts to see these copies of copies of copies. It becomes almost unrecognizable
punchy999 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This is getting old.
lulzbot 2 years ago
Nice but in my opinion the technique at 4:15 is a foolish one. The slipping of the arm is ok, but the black guy doesn´t parry the last hit of the white man. He points his collar but when the white man drops his arm he will hit the black guys head. So they would kill each other and thats wrong. I think it qould be better to parry the hit
Bonkerbomber 4 years ago
Wrong, Shidachi Tsuki's Uchidachi in the throat, Uchidachi's cut was aimed at a standing opponent, thus there is no power lower down, Shidachi has also moved in so close that any blow received will be with the Tsuka.
swordsman5 4 years ago
The white man is Japanese. Obata-Sensei doesn't teach foolish. Do you think that if you were his partner you could show him how foolish it is?
rollingbrick 4 years ago
The old man was holding back, he didn't have to do the second technique because if he hadn't pulled back the black guy would have been split open because he didn't back up. The guy moved his hand out of the way without bothering to move his body.
So it's all irrelevant.
lulzbot 3 years ago
Oops, nevermind, lookin' at the wrong technique.
The black guy doesn't need to parry, if he thrusts upwards he thrusts into the brain and then when the other guy's sword comes down, he can slide sideways, out of the way.
lulzbot 3 years ago
there using shinai not bokken
nebuwolves 4 years ago
Great vid enjoyed it very helpful.
onlyonewillmeaney 4 years ago
Es muy bueno es muy buen maestro ese hombre muy buena tecnica si señor
ShadowMangaka 4 years ago
what kind of teacher or sensei disrespects his sword by dragging ti around like he does? i think thats pretty bad... otherwise nice techniques similar to what i do
Masahiro121 4 years ago
You are right, Masahiro121.
rongenrobles 4 years ago
What kind of person publicly points out only mistakes instead of discussing the million other things that a sensei of Obata-Sensei's quality does to near perfection? And that's assuming that he actually made a mistake, which he most likely did not. IMHO, the most logical conclusion would b that you are mistaken.
rollingbrick 4 years ago
A critical person?
MrPotatoesLatkie 4 years ago
Undoubtedly critical,but also with enough chutspa to voice their criticism about a high-ranking shihan, but not enough intelligence or knowledge to discern whether or not a mistake has been made. But that youtube for ya... or so I'm discovering.
rollingbrick 4 years ago
totally agree with ya masahiro121
milovachan 4 years ago