HEY PPL, there was a move I really forgot its name but i really liked it cuz the movie was about A JET FIGHTER RACING.. and there were lots of Typhoons in there all Customized with COLOR.. so please remind me wat the move is.. thank u i dont remember the actors
We had a few typhoon crews on seccondement to the usaf raptor program recently, The usaf pilots loved the typhoon when they flew it. Just goes to show that we make the best aircraft or at least the only aircraft that can compete on the same level as the f22 raptor.
Which USAF pilots flew the Typhoon, jameskalas16, as in when, where, and with which squadron? I know there's 4 US pilots at Coningsby who fly the Typhoon, but hadn't heard any US stationed USAF pilots had flown it.
You messaged me and said "I cant remember the details of the pilots as i saw it in an article in a magazine i read in a shop whilst i was waiting for a bus", jameskalas16, so you can remember the wheres and whens of reading the article, but can't recall where the US pilots were from, or which suadron was involved? I'd love to know, so when I get the next group of pilots and/or maintainers in, I can ask if anyone heard of this happening.
Do what you want, i only flicked through the article without paying due attention. And to be honest the names of pilots who i dont know and there whereabouts doesnt really interest me. Nor do i have the time to waste. The magazine in question was in Stratford upon Avon WHS. And may i also remind you that a lot of information published in magazines is based on comments made by certain individuals, even roumour. SO wether it is true or not i do not know. I just repeated what i saw in the article.
I had just asked the question of you before, trying to see if you knew where the USAF pilots were supposed to have come from (i.e., squadron, USAF base, or possibly names of any of them), jameskalas16. No doubt that a lot of info in magazines is rumor, speculation, or downright fabrication.
I have the opportunity to work with guys from Elmendorf, Nellis , Langley and Tyndall from time to time, so I'll ask if any of them were involved, or if the events even happened at all at the next opportunity.
Brilliant... Mission accomplished, I think... While it's understated design has you half asleep, the understated AAMs reduce your beautiful plane to ashes. Since when does asthetics have ANYTHING to do with combat ability?
And I'm curious megga, how are you defining empire, because if its land holdings then we haven't lost too much of that anytime recently. Actually since WWII our cultural empire has been integrated to much of the world, and is expanding daily. I've eaten at a Hard Rock in London, bought Levi jeans in Spain, and watched MTV in Germany. Now other nations have great culture too, but it has never spread as rapidly or widely as US culture, and I don't foresee that stopping in the near future.
Meggabig, I'm not saying it was right not to get involved I was just trying to educate you on the context of the time. We declared war in WWII when we got a knife in the back, we didn't surrender. Those two examples I gave you are because in America's history there haven't been a lot of wars in this hemisphere that involved us. And comparing an "empire" from the past to today is pointless. In case you haven't noticed the modern American cultural empire is everywhere.
Besides meggabigpants, I've heard a lot of reasons why some people "detest" America--most of the time it seems like they hate America for no other reason than its fashionable, or that they have some misguided view about how the USA views the rest of the world and I'm curious as to what your is, care to share?
I dont dislike Americans, but I grow weary of their "shiny happy" view of a world far from shiny + often so from US Inflence. Fat kids, Films useing Violence sex + bad languge to bolster a shallow story. America has never had a single bomb dropped on it, yet its people proclaim to be the strong, brave + who know the key to success. British are/were hard, hopeful, indefatigable and never over confident.
American war films never feature their Allies who were in the war years before the Yanks.
I beleive Britain spreads = Hope+dignity, not drive thro weddings, drive by shootings, sarcasm as a form of whit. America only fights alongside allies, never alone (even your independance). Britain fought 1939-42 alone. The Faulklands war you woudnt let us fly from the US so we performed a miracle. WW1 you were late. Recently you allowed our general to be excluded from meetings with your general + the Iraqui Prim minister.
If you had been bombed like Britain + Europe, you'd have surrendered.
Since when has the world been "shiny happy?" To blame fat kids on the USA or use Hollywood as the model for what America stands for would be like me looking at Neville Chamberlain as the model for foreign diplomacy, it just doesn't make much sense.
You've even acknowledged that we've been bombed, at Pearl Harbor and during American revolution, neither time the bombing forced America into surrender, but rather united the US people like only a war can.
I should also note that I already point out 2 examples where America did fine on its own.
Your argument about WWII was pretty close to true-the free world owes a lot to UK to be sure, though I think you'd be hard pressed to sell the idea that you fought alone to the Free French, Scandinavia, and other early combatants.
Europe was a long way away from the US during that time, and the US people didn't want to get involved in a war that supposedly didn't concern them. So we did Lend-Lease.
WW2 didnt concern you, the removal of democracy didnt concern the "Eagle of democracy" you make it up as you go along, like universal studios. You soon joined once your ass was kicked, didnt you?
Please shut up, only 2 examples of "doing just fine" we had an empire 460 years, not 58 and failing... we have endured numerous wars.
please... My local pub is older than your country - Rule the world - When kids go on a school trip, do the teachers let them drive the bus?
America's war history for 200yrs: 1. Revolution (French) 2. War of 1812 3. Mexican-American War 4. Civil War 5. Spanish-American War 6. World War I (Several Allies) 7. World War II (Several Allies) 8*. UN Police Action in Korea 9*. Vietnam Conflict (South Vietnam) 10. Persian Gulf I (Coalition) 11*. UN action in Kosovo 12*. Afghanistan (many allies) 13*. Iraq (many allies) Now, how many of those wars were fought over on this side of the pond? The 4 in which we fought on our own.
Based on first hand experience based at RAF Leuchars, the F3 was designed for BVR air intercept, and did that job admirably. Nowadays it is laggin behind it's rivals, but can still cope with many aircraft around the globe. It is now largely out of date, hence the requirement of the Typhoon. This is an absolute beast of an aircraft, and in the hands on RAF personel I have great pride in our RAF.
There are some wonderfully ill informed people on here.
The RAF has suffered from dubious reliability recently including the GR1 and GR4 series, as WinchesterRanger said in the Gulf. However the losses were largely to do with what they were asked to do. First aircraft in taking out airfields in Iraq which are well defended is something that is bound to cause aircraft losses before smartbombs were widely available. As for the F3 being poor, that is not at all accurate, at BVR the F3 was top.
Why don't you shut up winchester ranger. You have no videos, no favourites and no life. Why don't you stop insulting us brits. Bet you only signed up so you can start aguments.
The RAF was a joke in Desert Storm (highest loss rate for attack jets and unable to match the Iraqi fighters in air to air) and they are now apparently a joke in Afghanistan by the admission of one of their own generals who recently stated that when his troops need air support they call the USAF. The last time they called in the Harriers, a female pilot shot up his own troops. The RAF is a joke these days.
You mean his very educational "joke". Unfortunately that's about the RAF can do these days is crack jokes. If you still doubt me, take a look at the comments of one of your own generals regarding the performance of Harriers in Afghanistan. He now asks for USAF air cover for his troops.
all the usaf is good for is friendly fire, moast of there planes are british designed anyway and all american pilots do is fly into there own buildings. i think the usaf is a joke. us troop "which is the bad end of the gun?"
The British Armed forces are actually responsible for a number of friendly fire incidents as well.
The USAF does not fly any fighter, bomber or support aircraft of English origin. The Marine Core flies harriers, unfortunately for the sake of argument even these harriers are actually American designed and not English.
As a side note, I think your spelling is a joke and you are a moron.
It's was re-designed under license by McDonnell Douglas (A US Company) and under license it is built, with cooperation from British Aerospace, now BAe Systems.
Tastiblue - please check your comments before posting them because so far, they are ALL WRONG! British Forces and friendly fire? Was I off that day? I think I missed it - tell me when that happened.
Are you seriously dumb enough to think that Britain's armed forces have never had any incidents of fratricide? Please.
As for my other comments being wrong.
Orly?
So let me guess, the Harrier flown by the Marine Core is entirely British in origin and not an updated design by an American defense contractor and the P-51 wasn't designed as an escort fighter as opposed to the Spitfire being designed as a straightforward air superiority fighter. Is that what you're trying to tell me?
Tastiblue - your comments about P51 and Spitfire are actaully correct (suprisingly). I didn't see these comments as I've just had a look to see they were on comments on different pages - there are 368 comments. I take some of what I said back based on that, but not all. Thanks
You lost 6 Tornados in the first few days attacking Iraqi airfields, and then had to hurriedly press Buccaneers into service with laser designation pods so the Tornados could drop from a "safe" altitude. You had crappy equipment, crappy pilots, and crappy tactics, and you paid dearly, and the RAF didn't shoot ANYTHING down, friend or foe. Your Tornado F.3s were (and are) a joke.
WinchesterRanger - you need to get your fucking head out of your fucking arse you cunt! Check your comments before posting - the Tornados that got shot down (not uncluding USA friendly fire) were the ones doing the low level airfield bombing that the wanky cunt yanks were too scared to do so shove that up your USAF! Check the comments people leave you as well - everyone fucking hates you as you're a complete and utter fucking dickheaded moron who knows FUCK ALL, now FUCK OFF!
WinchesterRanger - you need to get your fucking head out of your fucking arse you cunt! Check your comments before posting - the Tornados that got shot down (not uncluding USA friendly fire) were the ones doing the low level airfield bombing that the wanky cunt yanks were too scared to do so shove that up your USAF! Check the comments people leave you as well - everyone fucking hates you as you're a complete and utter fucking dickheaded moron who knows FUCK ALL, now FUCK OFF!
Regrettably another typical semi-literate, foul mouthed Brit.
Good grief, you people are almost at the feral stage. You're about half an inch away from grunts and clicks in the evolutionary sense. Churchill must be spinning in his grave looking at what you people have become.
WinchesterRanger - Brit? How did you come to that? My profile will tell you but obviously you have come to think that based on my comments about the fucking useless wanky shit you wrote previoulsy because you are severely retarded. As for feral, well, I'm nothing like you at all. Seems you've insulted all the Brits, what a CUNT!! Wank yourself out of that one.
You only seem able to communicate with aggressive foul language, that seems to be the defining trait of the British these days. You just don't seem to be capable of civilized behavior. We see you on vacation in Florida and Vegas, the Brits are always the ones getting thrown off planes, getting thrown out of bars, or yelling obscentities at girls. You seem to fit that mould perfectly, I actually feel sorry for you.
WinchesterRanger - you are such a fucking arsehole and the only way to get through to tossrs like you is to illustrate using language appropriate - you're very insulting to everyone. Waste of fresh air. Feel sorry for yourself with so many people hating you.
If you can remember far enough back to my original post, I made some well founded criticisms of an aircraft, to which you responded with F this and C that. Would you describe your response as a well thought out counter to my points, or just the ravings of a foul mouthed yob. Try harder, we're in the human race, and right now you're in last place.
Do you own a gun? If so that is good as I just thought of a good use for it but you can only do it once and don't forget to video it for all those who hate you so much for your unjustified comments. As you don't seem to know, the human race isn't a competition so I cannot be last, first or in the middle...
There, I achieved something, I stopped you swearing didn't I. Give me 6 months with you and I think I could actually turn you into something useful. You just need some work and maybe a little soap and water. Your parents certainly have a lot to answer for. But well done, stay on the right track.
WinchesterRanger - You obviously got the wrong idea about me. You cannot groom me for your fantasies, especially as I'm not a child. I think it's really a case of your parents having a lot to answer for. why do you have so many people leaving hate comments? There must be something about you that is so loathesome. Inaccurate comments may be a big issue with you.
america civilised HA an american pilot who attacked a British convoy in Iraq and murderd them was named a hero in your pathetic excuse for a country now please explain to me how your country which is meant to be so "advanced and civilised" has the worst friendly fire record
Fratricide happens in all wars, to suggest that the pilot "murdered" someone is just stupid and not really worthy of a response. But it is probably worth pointing out that were it not for the sacrifice of the American armed forces, you would be typing your responses in German. Although looking at what the UK has degenerated into, I actually think you would be better off under German rule. Your country really is a mess these days.
hmm look at americas friendly fire record in Iraq douche then you can see america does it on purpos
dont give me bloody crap about america won world war 2 my granpa was cuahgt at bloody dunkirk the british and her empire did just as much as the ruddy americans u arragant prick, o our countrys a mess u elected george bush in enough said
hey didnt we do something to u guys about 200 years or so ago...oohhhh yea we won our independence....we're not perfect but hey u think george did a bad job hillary obama and mcCain will do worse
Er, we had to get rid of the empire as it was draining our funds and after two world wars was eventually going to bankrupt us plus it gave the working class of Britain a voice afterwards as money could be spent on looking after our own people for once! Oh and for the comments off other people RE: Friendly fire, It's as us soldiers call "the joys of war". It's unfortunate and very sad but it happens! ! I've served with US servicemen and woman and none of them would wish any harm on there allies!
You wuss. My father was a Para and he told me different about when he was in battle.
Battle of bulge, Montys command taken away by yanks after he saved there underachieving asses, etc.
I wont waste the effort...look it up.
We spent 100yrs Empire running cost fighting alone + waiting for America to join in. Note they didnt JOIN IN, they were forced by Pearl. Russian were Hitlers bitch till he attacked them. We JOINED the war, Hitler wanted no beef with us.
There you go - after posting I heard how a British General was made to sit out of a meeting with US general and Iraqs Prime minister - Theres their solidarity.
Had it been the other way round, we would have insisted the US general be allowed to attend.
The USA are no friend of ours, they just need us, because they are on one side of the Earth completely out of touch and everyone else on our side detests them, except now the "new" Iraq.
Wuss? Er, I'm in the Paras you muppet! What battalion was your father? And alot has changed since the second world war! It pisses me off that I'm fighting for dick heads like you! And when I say that WE THE BRITISH ARMY Haven't got a problem with the U.S. forces I can speak for the whole of 3para! Just keep reading what you believe in the tabloids mate and I'm sure you'll go far! Oh and if you would like to call me a wuss to my face I'll very happily give you the address to my barracks!
Mexican-American War-No allies, US took control of Southwest region.
Spanish-American War-not real major on the list of global conflicts to be sure, but America gained Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines in the end. No US allies in that one as I recall.
You shouldn't forget that America doesn't fight many wars on its own because its so geographically isolated that not many conflicts occur near its borders.
Thus our wars are usually overseas helping an ally.
funny how the coroners court couldnt get anything from the American government and if you watch the video they actually relise its a British convoy so personally i think they shud be jailed for life :)
Hahahaha... you are a total and complete joke youself. Who is it that keeps killing their own side? AMERICANS. They're world renowned for it. Does the phrase "Let's do the whole f**king village" mean anything to you?
Don'y get me wrong... I think the USAF is great, I have a few acquaintances over at Pope AFB. But people like you make me sick... sit down and keep quiet eh?
WinchesterRanger, what the fuck are you fucking well going on about? The Iraqis fled to Iran and crashed their planes as they were so scared when they found out the Brits were coming. They took off from the airbases thinking only the Americans were there and would probably shoot themselves down then headed east when they saw British planes you fuckhead! The only thing you can say negative about the RAF is that there is less aircraft than America has.
I'm sick of Americans always have to go one better than everyone else or saying they're better than everyone else. We'll we've got a far more advanced fighter/attack plane than any U.S plane.
Also the U.S isn't to good at making fighters we beat them in the race of building a vertical take of jet, and sold them the harrier. they also failed to outclass the spitfire with the mustang.
Obviously not. The F-22, the F-35, the F-15, the F-16, all second rate fighters that don't compare to England's.
As a side note, we build our own upgraded version of the harrier and I do know that the P-51 and the Supermarine Spitfire were two aircraft designed for different roles.
As a side note, I find it pretty comical that the most obvious evidence of our inferiority is a 40 year old VTOL and a baseless comparison between two WWII fighters.
oh yeah you missed out the quote "An important point to keep in mind when examining this data is that full details on the simulations have not been released. Without this information it is not possible to determine whether Eurofighter optimal profiles were examined at the expense of more varied combat missions."
Rip1969 : you just spam the same old crap at every eurofighter page. you must be a sad little kid or a sad old cunt; either way you just talk totall shite
I'm amazed you have stepped away from the safety of your little forum and video, where you edit and censor every comment you disagree with, and post in the real world. It's a shame that you can only copy/paste the same tired crap over and over again. Not to mention it's all based on rumor and completely lacking a factual basis. Why should that matter to you though?
your hi-tech planes are as good as their pilots. so why brag about it? compare the pilots instead co'z this thing will not fly without them and the pilots ae the once pushing these aircrafts to its limits. thank you...
Your pilots didn't do so well in Gulf War I, and from what I hear about your Harrier pilots in Afghanistan, I don't think there's much to boast about.
Our pilot's didnt do so well? we gave cover for the guys on the ground and hit all targets in the bombing campaign, we did what we was asked and did it well.
Also what an earth are you on about harrier pilots in afganistan? they've come to the rescue of pinned down U.S troops many a time.
The Eurofighter has out performed an F-22 before and i really do love the raptor but its just to slow the euro fighter has a weapons system that can track targets 70 miles away and the EF is equal if not better a low speed manouverabilty at low speeds so i think euro fighter is better
When did this "out performing" take place, sticksbro? The F-22 is in no way, shape, or form slower than the Typhoon. 70 mile tracking is no feat, as the AN/APG-77 has that distance covered by a considerable margin. Where has the Typhoon demonstrated this low speed maneuverability?
You think the eurofighters better because your from europe. How bout the 10:1 kill ratio for the F-22 vs the EF? Thats what I thought.....Delta wing fighters are old news.
how do we think were better because were from europe, what you talkin about dumb ass, delta wing fighters are not old news, there a great design in many ways, there is no kill ratio with F-22 vs EF, the f-22 has not been in any real dogfights yet, so wait until it does, then we will find out, by the way, search high rider china lake, the EF has already given the f-22 a run for its money.
Well.....you might want to do some research on that pal. I dont want to make you look like a "total" douche. You might wanna look at some other posts dumbass...."Thats one word by the way".
i dont need to do research, your the one that needs to do that, just dont talk on subjects of which you have no knowledge because you make yourself look like a prick.
the china lake thing was a feake do your reasearch. the only time the ef and raptor were even in the same hemisphere was 2007 red flag and ef did not participate.
sorry cvire1971, i cant understand that shit you just wrote, everything about china lake you have just said you found on the internet, were as ive been told all about it personally by one of the pilots who was on the typhoon team, Keith Dennison.
Just a simple little question, MrPikon. That's all. I think loughran59's account has gone inactive, so I guess I'll never hear his answer (unless someone else chimes in for him). Hope things are going well in your world MrPikon.
Sorry your comment probably wasn't intended the way I read it 4Skunky, I'm just saying if your going to claim you heard something straight from the horses mouth then there's always the chance somebody might call you up on it ;)
"so I guess I'll never hear his answer (unless someone else chimes in for him)."
Shame it would have been interesting to hear the answer ...
I'm not sure who Keith Dennison would have been representing at the time of the alleged Typhoon v Raptor showdown but he has been flying for BAE as the Chief test pilot on the Typhoon since Dec 2005 and before that he was still a serving RAF pilot on the EF development team; hope that helps !
I have a pretty good timeline of the wheres and whens of Dennison's career and the China Lake/Nellis (High Rider) events, but was just wanting to hear loughran59's version of the story. Happy New Year to you, as well.
I've watched quite a few clips of the Typhoon and haven't seen much that is impressive. I did see a couple of really tight turns that you probably couldn't get away with in any other plane, but that was about it. The bad part about watching the Raptor at an airshow is that what makes the plane great isn't something that can be demonstrated.
The main things that make the EF's displays impressive are the complete opposite to what makes the F-22's displays impressive. The F-22 excels at performing low-speed and post stall maneuvers at displays, the EF's routine is all about energy and agility. What's exciting and impressive to one person is going to be like paint drying to another person; that's personal preference for you ...
"The bad part about watching the Raptor at an airshow is that what makes the plane great isn't something that can be demonstrated."
Something that can be said for the Typhoon also, it's supersonic maneuverability, climb-rate and sustained supersonic cruise is only rivaled by the F-22; but none of that can be shown in an airshow routine unfortunately.
You're right. The F22 has capabilities that are shoulders above anything else in the world, in the words of Angus Houston former head of the RAAF, but they are now costing us 361 million dollars per plane, and we're set to aquire 800 of them, and there is not even a cold war anymore.
I don't see your point. The reason he wanted his government to ask for the f22 is because of his feelings for the plane. He is not a lobbyist. Lobbyists are payed to say good things about something; he is not.
odessaboy, we could debate about whether he is biased or not in the same way we could debate whether Pierre Sprey or Carlo Kopp are biased but I would say it's obvious for the same reasons.
Not at today's prices, fatscumfilth. According to the RAF, they're running around 70 million pounds each, so maybe you'd get two with a little pocket money left over.
1 of the structural failures of the F22 addressed is by 2010 - the other isnt, it have no timeframe yet.
And the processor of the F22 was shut down in 2004, and no fix is planend so far, they dont mention all facts from earlier reports - each report have different aims, so just because they dont mention the obsolete processor in last report, its has nothing to do with it being fixed skunky, it wishfull thinking from you - as i told you i read em all.
watch my movie and get the source names - then go to the link provided in "more" part and you will see how much the f22 suck - pardon my language, but it does.
And what of the Spring Flag '07 exercises at Decimomannu, where a Hungarian "Red Force" pilot tells the story of of downing a Typhoon with his Gripen D, alexthebikeman?
4Skunky, I agree the Typhoon wouldn't have superiority over the F-22 but the kill you mention really means nothing more than the 3 F-22's splashed so far in exercises. You need to know the whole story like like what the ROE & kill criteria were or what role the EF was playing ?. Still it would be interesting to learn what kills those Italian EF's racked up, but that might give the game away.
It was just a comment on someone's "the Typhoon would kick the F-22's ass", MrPikon. I'm not sure if the Reds were regenerating (or to the degree that they are allowed to at Red Flag) or not. If you believe you've killed a fighter, but he flew to the regen point and is allowed to go active again, it would be easy to remove him from the threat list. Saab has quotes from the Hungarian pilot at grippen dot com.
The Gripen pilot goes on to say that they often had no AWACS or radar support of any kind, and had no AMRAAM or datalink capability as well-just their onboard sensors (he says they didn't even have any jammers on their planes). He also says that the Hungarian Gripens were the only planes to fly 100% of their scheduled sorties.
4Skunky, sorry m8 I understand where your coming from I had to disagree on that point though. Agreed that the kills on the F-22 are not evidence of much, other than it not being invulnerable which should be obvious anyway. I'm just making the point that these kills on either plane mean nothing especially taken in isolation without knowing the specific terms of the engagement.
The only reason for bringing it up is similar to what you're saying MrPikon. When news hit of "kills" (under very unrealistic combat simulations), many Typhoon fans pulled the "I told you so routine", and this event is only mentioned to show what can happen, even to the Typhoon. Agreed that the context is not quite certain, but again a ratio like 80:1 is still a staggering feat (F-22 data). Typhoon should be realizing large kill to loss ratios as well (will wait for more info).
All structural issues are being addressed right now, Zeptocomp. No issue is serious enough to keep the F-22 from continuing to fly for the USAF. Nowhere in the reports d you cite do they say successive years have different aims. Where do you get this crap? If they are making an assessment of the state of the program, it is made as to where the program is at a point in time. Just because you read the reports obviously doesn't mean you understand what you read.
Zeptocomp, you make some good points and I agree that the F-22 is not as perfect as some people imagine it to be but if the F-22 is old crap from the eighties then what does that make the EF ??
You don't need to bitch about the plane to make a point ...
And it would also be interesting to note all the development issues that have arisen and will arise in the future with the Typhoon (or any new Russian platform, for that matter). The one thing about US military spending is the transparency (for the most part) with the spending process, and public access to the numbers (available even to the likes of Zeptocomp). This isn't the norm in most of the World.
This old timer was concieved in 1979. Ths plane is commonly compared to the f-18f superhornet. Although the superhornets has more advanced electronics. Built by a consordium starting in 1986. Not bad for it's age, but by no means comparable to the F-22
I have given your sources to 10 congress reports so far and can bury you in the them, so far you only make false claims and never provide any links - how about jsut 1 link next time you make a claim?
The US Government Accountability Office calls the processor in the F22 raptor "obsolete" - i dont know who you try to fool, but if it me give it up, i rad all reports about the F22 raptor from US congress, the F22 is shit, communists couldnt plan a worse project than what USAF have done here.
In the most recent assessment by GAO (GAO-07-406SP), no processor issues are mentioned, Zeptocomp. It clearly says the original AtA capabilities are stable and mature, and have been since '03. Some additional capabilities that have been added as technology has advanced aren't currently mature. Some of the AtG capabilities, including JDAM delivery are characterized as "mission capable", while others continue to mature. So it goes with every new platform.
Additionally, the same GAO report says the structural issues you mention are being addressed by the SRP, and are scheduled to completed in about 2 years. When pushing the envelope, these issues arise, as computer simulations can't envision every scenario (especially when proper heat treat isn't performed by subcontractors).
You are all simple! The F22 or F35 would SMOKE this PIG....NO question.
snatchhog 1 year ago
if u wanna see this yourself see it at duxford
DazzMania619 2 years ago
looks like shit to me
easyzenon 2 years ago
HEY PPL, there was a move I really forgot its name but i really liked it cuz the movie was about A JET FIGHTER RACING.. and there were lots of Typhoons in there all Customized with COLOR.. so please remind me wat the move is.. thank u i dont remember the actors
AWACStunderhead 2 years ago
The F22 and the EF are both good planes can people stop Exagerating the benifits and disbenifits of each one?
1ohtaf1 3 years ago 3
We had a few typhoon crews on seccondement to the usaf raptor program recently, The usaf pilots loved the typhoon when they flew it. Just goes to show that we make the best aircraft or at least the only aircraft that can compete on the same level as the f22 raptor.
jameskalas16 3 years ago
Which USAF pilots flew the Typhoon, jameskalas16, as in when, where, and with which squadron? I know there's 4 US pilots at Coningsby who fly the Typhoon, but hadn't heard any US stationed USAF pilots had flown it.
4Skunky 3 years ago
You messaged me and said "I cant remember the details of the pilots as i saw it in an article in a magazine i read in a shop whilst i was waiting for a bus", jameskalas16, so you can remember the wheres and whens of reading the article, but can't recall where the US pilots were from, or which suadron was involved? I'd love to know, so when I get the next group of pilots and/or maintainers in, I can ask if anyone heard of this happening.
4Skunky 3 years ago
Do what you want, i only flicked through the article without paying due attention. And to be honest the names of pilots who i dont know and there whereabouts doesnt really interest me. Nor do i have the time to waste. The magazine in question was in Stratford upon Avon WHS. And may i also remind you that a lot of information published in magazines is based on comments made by certain individuals, even roumour. SO wether it is true or not i do not know. I just repeated what i saw in the article.
jameskalas16 3 years ago
I had just asked the question of you before, trying to see if you knew where the USAF pilots were supposed to have come from (i.e., squadron, USAF base, or possibly names of any of them), jameskalas16. No doubt that a lot of info in magazines is rumor, speculation, or downright fabrication.
4Skunky 3 years ago
I have the opportunity to work with guys from Elmendorf, Nellis , Langley and Tyndall from time to time, so I'll ask if any of them were involved, or if the events even happened at all at the next opportunity.
4Skunky 3 years ago
ugly dull design, when you look at this plane you just fall asleep
hussardelamort 3 years ago
I think it looks good...
Aerjas12 3 years ago
Brilliant... Mission accomplished, I think... While it's understated design has you half asleep, the understated AAMs reduce your beautiful plane to ashes. Since when does asthetics have ANYTHING to do with combat ability?
rhedegydd 2 years ago
simple, enemy sees a sexy plane and they don't want to shoot at it, just too sexy, like nice car :)
OlderG0ds 2 years ago
does anybody know when meteor misile will be ready?
EOKA74 3 years ago
I dont mean to but in and be abit picky but levi strauss was German.
thisothereden2 3 years ago
That's a valid point-though he became an American citizen, but my point was that the company he founded was and still is based in the US.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago 2
And if I hadn't mentioned it yet the EF is a nice plane for its role. This is a good video as well, props for posting.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago 2
And I'm curious megga, how are you defining empire, because if its land holdings then we haven't lost too much of that anytime recently. Actually since WWII our cultural empire has been integrated to much of the world, and is expanding daily. I've eaten at a Hard Rock in London, bought Levi jeans in Spain, and watched MTV in Germany. Now other nations have great culture too, but it has never spread as rapidly or widely as US culture, and I don't foresee that stopping in the near future.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago
Meggabig, I'm not saying it was right not to get involved I was just trying to educate you on the context of the time. We declared war in WWII when we got a knife in the back, we didn't surrender. Those two examples I gave you are because in America's history there haven't been a lot of wars in this hemisphere that involved us. And comparing an "empire" from the past to today is pointless. In case you haven't noticed the modern American cultural empire is everywhere.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago
Besides meggabigpants, I've heard a lot of reasons why some people "detest" America--most of the time it seems like they hate America for no other reason than its fashionable, or that they have some misguided view about how the USA views the rest of the world and I'm curious as to what your is, care to share?
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago
I dont dislike Americans, but I grow weary of their "shiny happy" view of a world far from shiny + often so from US Inflence. Fat kids, Films useing Violence sex + bad languge to bolster a shallow story. America has never had a single bomb dropped on it, yet its people proclaim to be the strong, brave + who know the key to success. British are/were hard, hopeful, indefatigable and never over confident.
American war films never feature their Allies who were in the war years before the Yanks.
meggabigpants 3 years ago
I beleive Britain spreads = Hope+dignity, not drive thro weddings, drive by shootings, sarcasm as a form of whit. America only fights alongside allies, never alone (even your independance). Britain fought 1939-42 alone. The Faulklands war you woudnt let us fly from the US so we performed a miracle. WW1 you were late. Recently you allowed our general to be excluded from meetings with your general + the Iraqui Prim minister.
If you had been bombed like Britain + Europe, you'd have surrendered.
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Since when has the world been "shiny happy?" To blame fat kids on the USA or use Hollywood as the model for what America stands for would be like me looking at Neville Chamberlain as the model for foreign diplomacy, it just doesn't make much sense.
You've even acknowledged that we've been bombed, at Pearl Harbor and during American revolution, neither time the bombing forced America into surrender, but rather united the US people like only a war can.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago
I should also note that I already point out 2 examples where America did fine on its own.
Your argument about WWII was pretty close to true-the free world owes a lot to UK to be sure, though I think you'd be hard pressed to sell the idea that you fought alone to the Free French, Scandinavia, and other early combatants.
Europe was a long way away from the US during that time, and the US people didn't want to get involved in a war that supposedly didn't concern them. So we did Lend-Lease.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago
WW2 didnt concern you, the removal of democracy didnt concern the "Eagle of democracy" you make it up as you go along, like universal studios. You soon joined once your ass was kicked, didnt you?
Please shut up, only 2 examples of "doing just fine" we had an empire 460 years, not 58 and failing... we have endured numerous wars.
please... My local pub is older than your country - Rule the world - When kids go on a school trip, do the teachers let them drive the bus?
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago
Based on first hand experience based at RAF Leuchars, the F3 was designed for BVR air intercept, and did that job admirably. Nowadays it is laggin behind it's rivals, but can still cope with many aircraft around the globe. It is now largely out of date, hence the requirement of the Typhoon. This is an absolute beast of an aircraft, and in the hands on RAF personel I have great pride in our RAF.
GusMcLean 4 years ago
u guys do kick some ass...
donwolf2 3 years ago
There are some wonderfully ill informed people on here.
The RAF has suffered from dubious reliability recently including the GR1 and GR4 series, as WinchesterRanger said in the Gulf. However the losses were largely to do with what they were asked to do. First aircraft in taking out airfields in Iraq which are well defended is something that is bound to cause aircraft losses before smartbombs were widely available. As for the F3 being poor, that is not at all accurate, at BVR the F3 was top.
GusMcLean 4 years ago
me encanta este avion
DiosPatriaRey 4 years ago
Why don't you shut up winchester ranger. You have no videos, no favourites and no life. Why don't you stop insulting us brits. Bet you only signed up so you can start aguments.
Get a life you idiot!!!
blackburnbuccaneer94 4 years ago
it almost looks lik ean F-16 XL
SwAtChAzzNGuy 4 years ago
Lt. Dan Robison (RAF) is the only pilot to have flown both F-22 and EF.
w w w . f-22raptor . com/news_view . php?nid=222&yr=2006
F22Dominator 4 years ago
Dan Robinson hadn't flown the Typhoon prior to coming to the US AFAIK, F22Dominator. Before flying the F-22, he had previously been a Tornado pilot.
4Skunky 4 years ago 3
I stand corrected.
F22Dominator 4 years ago
My bad. :)
F22Dominator 4 years ago
General John P. Jumper, is the only pilot which did flew on both.
techdefined 4 years ago
The RAF was a joke in Desert Storm (highest loss rate for attack jets and unable to match the Iraqi fighters in air to air) and they are now apparently a joke in Afghanistan by the admission of one of their own generals who recently stated that when his troops need air support they call the USAF. The last time they called in the Harriers, a female pilot shot up his own troops. The RAF is a joke these days.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
WinchesterRanger, Please read what
GooperUK said and get a clue m8 LOL ...
MrPikon 4 years ago
You mean his very educational "joke". Unfortunately that's about the RAF can do these days is crack jokes. If you still doubt me, take a look at the comments of one of your own generals regarding the performance of Harriers in Afghanistan. He now asks for USAF air cover for his troops.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
all the usaf is good for is friendly fire, moast of there planes are british designed anyway and all american pilots do is fly into there own buildings. i think the usaf is a joke. us troop "which is the bad end of the gun?"
sweetstealth 4 years ago
^^^ Does UK have birth control? If not, This maybe be a good reason for such a program. LOL
F22Ownage 4 years ago
y lol? that was shit.
americt hase done NOTHING for the world! so go eat an american designed hamburger then die of a heart attack.
sweetstealth 4 years ago
The British Armed forces are actually responsible for a number of friendly fire incidents as well.
The USAF does not fly any fighter, bomber or support aircraft of English origin. The Marine Core flies harriers, unfortunately for the sake of argument even these harriers are actually American designed and not English.
As a side note, I think your spelling is a joke and you are a moron.
Tasitblue 4 years ago
ummm no bumbass the harrier was designed in RAF maram in england. ohh and one more thing, 9 11
sweetstealth 4 years ago
The AV-8B operated by our Marine Core is built by McDonnell Douglas here in the US.
zzzzzz
Tasitblue 4 years ago
... under license.
VlexoNetwork 3 years ago
The Harrier used by the USMC is an American design, sorry!
Tasitblue 3 years ago
It's was re-designed under license by McDonnell Douglas (A US Company) and under license it is built, with cooperation from British Aerospace, now BAe Systems.
VlexoNetwork 3 years ago
I never claimed it wasn't built under license, but you seemed to be insinuating it was an English design when this is not really the case.
This all goes back to another original comment that the USAF "used mostly British aircraft" when in reality they don't use any.
Tasitblue 3 years ago
but the USAF co-operate with the British engineers in desining and building jets
givinthedogabone1 3 years ago
The USAF doesn't design or build anything.
Tasitblue 3 years ago
Tastiblue - please check your comments before posting them because so far, they are ALL WRONG! British Forces and friendly fire? Was I off that day? I think I missed it - tell me when that happened.
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
Are you seriously dumb enough to think that Britain's armed forces have never had any incidents of fratricide? Please.
As for my other comments being wrong.
Orly?
So let me guess, the Harrier flown by the Marine Core is entirely British in origin and not an updated design by an American defense contractor and the P-51 wasn't designed as an escort fighter as opposed to the Spitfire being designed as a straightforward air superiority fighter. Is that what you're trying to tell me?
Tasitblue 4 years ago
Tastiblue - your comments about P51 and Spitfire are actaully correct (suprisingly). I didn't see these comments as I've just had a look to see they were on comments on different pages - there are 368 comments. I take some of what I said back based on that, but not all. Thanks
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
You actually haven't supported any of what you said with even the most basic facts. You just said. NUH UH UR WRONG etc. Which isn't very compelling.
Tasitblue 4 years ago
yeah,one tornado was shot down by the americans,thats a joke but not a funny one
cienik 4 years ago
You lost 6 Tornados in the first few days attacking Iraqi airfields, and then had to hurriedly press Buccaneers into service with laser designation pods so the Tornados could drop from a "safe" altitude. You had crappy equipment, crappy pilots, and crappy tactics, and you paid dearly, and the RAF didn't shoot ANYTHING down, friend or foe. Your Tornado F.3s were (and are) a joke.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
WinchesterRanger - you need to get your fucking head out of your fucking arse you cunt! Check your comments before posting - the Tornados that got shot down (not uncluding USA friendly fire) were the ones doing the low level airfield bombing that the wanky cunt yanks were too scared to do so shove that up your USAF! Check the comments people leave you as well - everyone fucking hates you as you're a complete and utter fucking dickheaded moron who knows FUCK ALL, now FUCK OFF!
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago 2
WinchesterRanger - you need to get your fucking head out of your fucking arse you cunt! Check your comments before posting - the Tornados that got shot down (not uncluding USA friendly fire) were the ones doing the low level airfield bombing that the wanky cunt yanks were too scared to do so shove that up your USAF! Check the comments people leave you as well - everyone fucking hates you as you're a complete and utter fucking dickheaded moron who knows FUCK ALL, now FUCK OFF!
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
Regrettably another typical semi-literate, foul mouthed Brit.
Good grief, you people are almost at the feral stage. You're about half an inch away from grunts and clicks in the evolutionary sense. Churchill must be spinning in his grave looking at what you people have become.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
WinchesterRanger - Brit? How did you come to that? My profile will tell you but obviously you have come to think that based on my comments about the fucking useless wanky shit you wrote previoulsy because you are severely retarded. As for feral, well, I'm nothing like you at all. Seems you've insulted all the Brits, what a CUNT!! Wank yourself out of that one.
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago 3
You only seem able to communicate with aggressive foul language, that seems to be the defining trait of the British these days. You just don't seem to be capable of civilized behavior. We see you on vacation in Florida and Vegas, the Brits are always the ones getting thrown off planes, getting thrown out of bars, or yelling obscentities at girls. You seem to fit that mould perfectly, I actually feel sorry for you.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
WinchesterRanger - you are such a fucking arsehole and the only way to get through to tossrs like you is to illustrate using language appropriate - you're very insulting to everyone. Waste of fresh air. Feel sorry for yourself with so many people hating you.
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago 3
If you can remember far enough back to my original post, I made some well founded criticisms of an aircraft, to which you responded with F this and C that. Would you describe your response as a well thought out counter to my points, or just the ravings of a foul mouthed yob. Try harder, we're in the human race, and right now you're in last place.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
Do you own a gun? If so that is good as I just thought of a good use for it but you can only do it once and don't forget to video it for all those who hate you so much for your unjustified comments. As you don't seem to know, the human race isn't a competition so I cannot be last, first or in the middle...
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
There, I achieved something, I stopped you swearing didn't I. Give me 6 months with you and I think I could actually turn you into something useful. You just need some work and maybe a little soap and water. Your parents certainly have a lot to answer for. But well done, stay on the right track.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
WinchesterRanger - You obviously got the wrong idea about me. You cannot groom me for your fantasies, especially as I'm not a child. I think it's really a case of your parents having a lot to answer for. why do you have so many people leaving hate comments? There must be something about you that is so loathesome. Inaccurate comments may be a big issue with you.
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago 2
america civilised HA an american pilot who attacked a British convoy in Iraq and murderd them was named a hero in your pathetic excuse for a country now please explain to me how your country which is meant to be so "advanced and civilised" has the worst friendly fire record
givinthedogabone1 4 years ago
Fratricide happens in all wars, to suggest that the pilot "murdered" someone is just stupid and not really worthy of a response. But it is probably worth pointing out that were it not for the sacrifice of the American armed forces, you would be typing your responses in German. Although looking at what the UK has degenerated into, I actually think you would be better off under German rule. Your country really is a mess these days.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
hmm look at americas friendly fire record in Iraq douche then you can see america does it on purpos
dont give me bloody crap about america won world war 2 my granpa was cuahgt at bloody dunkirk the british and her empire did just as much as the ruddy americans u arragant prick, o our countrys a mess u elected george bush in enough said
givinthedogabone1 4 years ago
hey didnt we do something to u guys about 200 years or so ago...oohhhh yea we won our independence....we're not perfect but hey u think george did a bad job hillary obama and mcCain will do worse
donwolf2 3 years ago
ok oooo didnt we do something twice to you guys when you tried to take canada? o ye we owned u on land and at sea
givinthedogabone1 3 years ago
Like every American victory, you were helped with your independance by the French. Any war you Americans fight alone - You lose.
Now where is my globe of our old Empire? A superpower from 1490-1950, not failing after just 65years, Russia even less.
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Er, we had to get rid of the empire as it was draining our funds and after two world wars was eventually going to bankrupt us plus it gave the working class of Britain a voice afterwards as money could be spent on looking after our own people for once! Oh and for the comments off other people RE: Friendly fire, It's as us soldiers call "the joys of war". It's unfortunate and very sad but it happens! ! I've served with US servicemen and woman and none of them would wish any harm on there allies!
matt271986 3 years ago
You wuss. My father was a Para and he told me different about when he was in battle.
Battle of bulge, Montys command taken away by yanks after he saved there underachieving asses, etc.
I wont waste the effort...look it up.
We spent 100yrs Empire running cost fighting alone + waiting for America to join in. Note they didnt JOIN IN, they were forced by Pearl. Russian were Hitlers bitch till he attacked them. We JOINED the war, Hitler wanted no beef with us.
So your point?
meggabigpants 3 years ago
There you go - after posting I heard how a British General was made to sit out of a meeting with US general and Iraqs Prime minister - Theres their solidarity.
Had it been the other way round, we would have insisted the US general be allowed to attend.
The USA are no friend of ours, they just need us, because they are on one side of the Earth completely out of touch and everyone else on our side detests them, except now the "new" Iraq.
meggabigpants 3 years ago
Wuss? Er, I'm in the Paras you muppet! What battalion was your father? And alot has changed since the second world war! It pisses me off that I'm fighting for dick heads like you! And when I say that WE THE BRITISH ARMY Haven't got a problem with the U.S. forces I can speak for the whole of 3para! Just keep reading what you believe in the tabloids mate and I'm sure you'll go far! Oh and if you would like to call me a wuss to my face I'll very happily give you the address to my barracks!
matt271986 3 years ago 2
Mexican-American War-No allies, US took control of Southwest region.
Spanish-American War-not real major on the list of global conflicts to be sure, but America gained Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines in the end. No US allies in that one as I recall.
You shouldn't forget that America doesn't fight many wars on its own because its so geographically isolated that not many conflicts occur near its borders.
Thus our wars are usually overseas helping an ally.
Fly1ngVee 3 years ago 2
hes right....
donwolf2 3 years ago
Yeah, friendly fire, by American jets. It's not our fault, it's the USAF incompetence that kills them. They're a bigger threat than the enemy.
presfieldgoalie 3 years ago
funny how the coroners court couldnt get anything from the American government and if you watch the video they actually relise its a British convoy so personally i think they shud be jailed for life :)
givinthedogabone1 3 years ago
Hahahaha... you are a total and complete joke youself. Who is it that keeps killing their own side? AMERICANS. They're world renowned for it. Does the phrase "Let's do the whole f**king village" mean anything to you?
Don'y get me wrong... I think the USAF is great, I have a few acquaintances over at Pope AFB. But people like you make me sick... sit down and keep quiet eh?
SGTSchneiper 4 years ago
BTW Iraq doesnt have any fighter jets...
daza3413 4 years ago 2
WinchesterRanger, what the fuck are you fucking well going on about? The Iraqis fled to Iran and crashed their planes as they were so scared when they found out the Brits were coming. They took off from the airbases thinking only the Americans were there and would probably shoot themselves down then headed east when they saw British planes you fuckhead! The only thing you can say negative about the RAF is that there is less aircraft than America has.
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
that is one agile jet
jimmytony87 4 years ago
A US senator is giving out medals to airmen and asks the USAF commander what each one means.
(see below)
GooperUK 4 years ago
"What are the bronze medals for?" asks the senator.
"The bronze medals are for pilots who flew combat missions under fire at below 1000ft"
"The silver?"
"For pilots who flew missions under fire below 500ft"
"And the gold?"
"For pilots were flew missions under fire below 250ft"
"What about those who flew missions at below 50ft?" asks the senator.
"USAF can't give them medals sir, they're Tornado pilots".
GooperUK 4 years ago
(see below)
"What are the bronze medals for?" asks the senator.
"The bronze medals are for pilots who flew combat missions under fire at below 1000ft"
"The silver?"
"For pilots who flew missions under fire below 500ft"
"And the gold?"
"For pilots were flew missions under fire below 250ft"
"What about those who flew missions at below 50ft?" asks the senator.
"USAF can't give them medals sir, they're Tornado pilots".
GooperUK 4 years ago
A US senator is giving out medals to airmen and asks the USAF commander what each one means.
(see below)
GooperUK 4 years ago
I'm sick of Americans always have to go one better than everyone else or saying they're better than everyone else. We'll we've got a far more advanced fighter/attack plane than any U.S plane.
Also the U.S isn't to good at making fighters we beat them in the race of building a vertical take of jet, and sold them the harrier. they also failed to outclass the spitfire with the mustang.
So they aint all that good at everything
SupersonicStu06 4 years ago
Obviously not. The F-22, the F-35, the F-15, the F-16, all second rate fighters that don't compare to England's.
As a side note, we build our own upgraded version of the harrier and I do know that the P-51 and the Supermarine Spitfire were two aircraft designed for different roles.
As a side note, I find it pretty comical that the most obvious evidence of our inferiority is a 40 year old VTOL and a baseless comparison between two WWII fighters.
Tasitblue 4 years ago
as a side note you need to get layd. and it dosent count if its your mom : )
fuck off and die, i dont realy care about p51s n shit im never gunna fly one so it dosent realy bother me, your boring me now. go away
sweetstealth 4 years ago
You must be inbred.
Tasitblue 4 years ago
Tastiblue, I'm sorry to disappoint you on that comment. Unlike you, I am not inbred, you'll have to find someone else for your fantasies.
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
Good job replying to a comment that was directed towards someone else, hoser.
Tasitblue 4 years ago
you must have downsindrome, go and die
sweetstealth 4 years ago
europe has a new jet on the block uh-oh:)
stg44rulz 4 years ago
I've seen more thrilling displays given by a Cessna.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
you still get on a bus with a bag to piss people off every muslim ive seen on a bus has a bag FACT !!
BhoyWonder1991 4 years ago
All that arguing and some Muslim with a bomb strapped to his body will take any of them out ON THE GROUND!
kevinkeay0382 4 years ago
Listen.... i'm a muslim and i still got no Bomb strapped on to me you're a damn racist...
ApeHueElsker 4 years ago 6
Not yet as you're obviously a sleeper cell awaiting your call from Mo ham head
youfuckingtossers 4 years ago
and yet I can take it down with one cheap shoulder launched missile.
pwnage0013 4 years ago
I was watching this at Waddington. It's the loudest plane i've ever heard. (The cambera did come close)
Firespectrum122 4 years ago
w w w . eurofighter-typhoon . co . uk/Eurofighter/tech . php
"F-22 Raptor bettered the Eurofighter's performance with a combat exchange ratio of 10.1:1."
"At supersonic velocities (Mach 1.6 and 36,000ft) the sustained turn rate of the Eurofighter betters all but the F-22"
"At supersonic velocities (Mach 1.6 and 36,000ft) the sustained turn rate of the Eurofighter betters all but the F-22"
Rip1969 4 years ago
oh yeah you missed out the quote "An important point to keep in mind when examining this data is that full details on the simulations have not been released. Without this information it is not possible to determine whether Eurofighter optimal profiles were examined at the expense of more varied combat missions."
dj8work 4 years ago
Rip1969 : you just spam the same old crap at every eurofighter page. you must be a sad little kid or a sad old cunt; either way you just talk totall shite
mowhokman 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Read here how the Eurofghter owned the F22 in close and BWR combat!
Source: "internatinal AIR POWER REVIEW" - year 2006,
issue 20, page 45. - ISNB: 1-880588-91-9 (casebound) or ISBN: 1473-9917.
Most Airforces have these reports - read it yourself -
The Eurofighter Typhoon is a Raptor-killer.
Europe will buy at least 635 Eurofighters...
USAF have gone from originally saying it would purchase 750 F22 Raptors, to now just 183.
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
I'm amazed you have stepped away from the safety of your little forum and video, where you edit and censor every comment you disagree with, and post in the real world. It's a shame that you can only copy/paste the same tired crap over and over again. Not to mention it's all based on rumor and completely lacking a factual basis. Why should that matter to you though?
4Skunky 4 years ago
your hi-tech planes are as good as their pilots. so why brag about it? compare the pilots instead co'z this thing will not fly without them and the pilots ae the once pushing these aircrafts to its limits. thank you...
tzarls2 4 years ago
ok the RAF basically won the the battle of britain in the 2nd world war and still to this day they are considered to this very day.Thank You!!!!!!
sticksbro 4 years ago
considered what?
gidsum29 4 years ago
Your pilots didn't do so well in Gulf War I, and from what I hear about your Harrier pilots in Afghanistan, I don't think there's much to boast about.
WinchesterRanger 4 years ago
Our pilot's didnt do so well? we gave cover for the guys on the ground and hit all targets in the bombing campaign, we did what we was asked and did it well.
Also what an earth are you on about harrier pilots in afganistan? they've come to the rescue of pinned down U.S troops many a time.
SupersonicStu06 4 years ago
The Eurofighter has out performed an F-22 before and i really do love the raptor but its just to slow the euro fighter has a weapons system that can track targets 70 miles away and the EF is equal if not better a low speed manouverabilty at low speeds so i think euro fighter is better
sticksbro 4 years ago
When did this "out performing" take place, sticksbro? The F-22 is in no way, shape, or form slower than the Typhoon. 70 mile tracking is no feat, as the AN/APG-77 has that distance covered by a considerable margin. Where has the Typhoon demonstrated this low speed maneuverability?
4Skunky 4 years ago
OMG have u seen it flight before it broke mach 2 over the sea when i seen it and the was pulling inside loops the thing scares me its so good
sticksbro 4 years ago
You think the eurofighters better because your from europe. How bout the 10:1 kill ratio for the F-22 vs the EF? Thats what I thought.....Delta wing fighters are old news.
gidsum29 4 years ago
how do we think were better because were from europe, what you talkin about dumb ass, delta wing fighters are not old news, there a great design in many ways, there is no kill ratio with F-22 vs EF, the f-22 has not been in any real dogfights yet, so wait until it does, then we will find out, by the way, search high rider china lake, the EF has already given the f-22 a run for its money.
loughran59 4 years ago
Well.....you might want to do some research on that pal. I dont want to make you look like a "total" douche. You might wanna look at some other posts dumbass...."Thats one word by the way".
gidsum29 4 years ago
i dont need to do research, your the one that needs to do that, just dont talk on subjects of which you have no knowledge because you make yourself look like a prick.
loughran59 4 years ago
the china lake thing was a feake do your reasearch. the only time the ef and raptor were even in the same hemisphere was 2007 red flag and ef did not participate.
cvire1971 4 years ago
sorry cvire1971, i cant understand that shit you just wrote, everything about china lake you have just said you found on the internet, were as ive been told all about it personally by one of the pilots who was on the typhoon team, Keith Dennison.
loughran59 4 years ago
So its true? I was skeptical myself, but if you're on the level then all I can say is the Royal Australian Air Force needs some Typhoons
ebglider91 4 years ago
So are you saying Mr. Dennison was there representing BAE or the RAF, loughran59?
4Skunky 4 years ago
loughran59, careful there I don't think 4Skunky misses a trick ;)
4Skunky, nicely caught there m8 ! LOL
MrPikon 4 years ago
Just a simple little question, MrPikon. That's all. I think loughran59's account has gone inactive, so I guess I'll never hear his answer (unless someone else chimes in for him). Hope things are going well in your world MrPikon.
4Skunky 4 years ago
Sorry your comment probably wasn't intended the way I read it 4Skunky, I'm just saying if your going to claim you heard something straight from the horses mouth then there's always the chance somebody might call you up on it ;)
MrPikon 4 years ago
"so I guess I'll never hear his answer (unless someone else chimes in for him)."
Shame it would have been interesting to hear the answer ...
I'm not sure who Keith Dennison would have been representing at the time of the alleged Typhoon v Raptor showdown but he has been flying for BAE as the Chief test pilot on the Typhoon since Dec 2005 and before that he was still a serving RAF pilot on the EF development team; hope that helps !
btw - Have a Great New Year ! :)
MrPikon 4 years ago
I have a pretty good timeline of the wheres and whens of Dennison's career and the China Lake/Nellis (High Rider) events, but was just wanting to hear loughran59's version of the story. Happy New Year to you, as well.
4Skunky 4 years ago
liar
cvire1971 4 years ago
I didn't see anything impressive in this video.
odessaboy 4 years ago
"I didn't see anything impressive in this video."
No me neither, would have been impressive if it was a F-15 or F-16 but a very tame display considering the Typhoons abilities [wink]
MrPikon 4 years ago
I've watched quite a few clips of the Typhoon and haven't seen much that is impressive. I did see a couple of really tight turns that you probably couldn't get away with in any other plane, but that was about it. The bad part about watching the Raptor at an airshow is that what makes the plane great isn't something that can be demonstrated.
odessaboy 4 years ago
The main things that make the EF's displays impressive are the complete opposite to what makes the F-22's displays impressive. The F-22 excels at performing low-speed and post stall maneuvers at displays, the EF's routine is all about energy and agility. What's exciting and impressive to one person is going to be like paint drying to another person; that's personal preference for you ...
MrPikon 4 years ago
"The bad part about watching the Raptor at an airshow is that what makes the plane great isn't something that can be demonstrated."
Something that can be said for the Typhoon also, it's supersonic maneuverability, climb-rate and sustained supersonic cruise is only rivaled by the F-22; but none of that can be shown in an airshow routine unfortunately.
MrPikon 4 years ago 2
You're right. The F22 has capabilities that are shoulders above anything else in the world, in the words of Angus Houston former head of the RAAF, but they are now costing us 361 million dollars per plane, and we're set to aquire 800 of them, and there is not even a cold war anymore.
odessaboy 4 years ago
"in the words of Angus Houston"
That isn't the same Angus Houston who's actively lobbying for the RAAF to purchase the F-22 is it ? why didn't you just quote Carlo Kopp ? LOL
MrPikon 4 years ago
I don't see your point. The reason he wanted his government to ask for the f22 is because of his feelings for the plane. He is not a lobbyist. Lobbyists are payed to say good things about something; he is not.
odessaboy 4 years ago
odessaboy, Ok I'm not saying that he is receiving back-handers or anything but my point is that your quoting someone who has a clear bias and agenda.
MrPikon 4 years ago
How is that? How do you know he is bias or has an agenda? Maybe you know something about Australian politics that I don't know.
odessaboy 4 years ago
odessaboy, we could debate about whether he is biased or not in the same way we could debate whether Pierre Sprey or Carlo Kopp are biased but I would say it's obvious for the same reasons.
MrPikon 4 years ago
Not at today's prices, fatscumfilth. According to the RAF, they're running around 70 million pounds each, so maybe you'd get two with a little pocket money left over.
4Skunky 4 years ago
EF is a great jet, hope Finland had em too
kiletsu 4 years ago
1 of the structural failures of the F22 addressed is by 2010 - the other isnt, it have no timeframe yet.
And the processor of the F22 was shut down in 2004, and no fix is planend so far, they dont mention all facts from earlier reports - each report have different aims, so just because they dont mention the obsolete processor in last report, its has nothing to do with it being fixed skunky, it wishfull thinking from you - as i told you i read em all.
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
watch my movie and get the source names - then go to the link provided in "more" part and you will see how much the f22 suck - pardon my language, but it does.
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
f-22 does not suck, (yes im american), at least i will say that the EF is a good plane.
LOCKHEED2011 4 years ago
the f-22 is pretty good, but the eurofighter would kick its ass
alexthebikeman 4 years ago
Not likely, alexthebikeman, but it's good to see you cheering for the 2nd best fighter out there.
4Skunky 4 years ago
And what of the Spring Flag '07 exercises at Decimomannu, where a Hungarian "Red Force" pilot tells the story of of downing a Typhoon with his Gripen D, alexthebikeman?
4Skunky 4 years ago
4Skunky, I agree the Typhoon wouldn't have superiority over the F-22 but the kill you mention really means nothing more than the 3 F-22's splashed so far in exercises. You need to know the whole story like like what the ROE & kill criteria were or what role the EF was playing ?. Still it would be interesting to learn what kills those Italian EF's racked up, but that might give the game away.
MrPikon 4 years ago
It was just a comment on someone's "the Typhoon would kick the F-22's ass", MrPikon. I'm not sure if the Reds were regenerating (or to the degree that they are allowed to at Red Flag) or not. If you believe you've killed a fighter, but he flew to the regen point and is allowed to go active again, it would be easy to remove him from the threat list. Saab has quotes from the Hungarian pilot at grippen dot com.
4Skunky 4 years ago
The Gripen pilot goes on to say that they often had no AWACS or radar support of any kind, and had no AMRAAM or datalink capability as well-just their onboard sensors (he says they didn't even have any jammers on their planes). He also says that the Hungarian Gripens were the only planes to fly 100% of their scheduled sorties.
4Skunky 4 years ago
4Skunky, sorry m8 I understand where your coming from I had to disagree on that point though. Agreed that the kills on the F-22 are not evidence of much, other than it not being invulnerable which should be obvious anyway. I'm just making the point that these kills on either plane mean nothing especially taken in isolation without knowing the specific terms of the engagement.
MrPikon 4 years ago
The only reason for bringing it up is similar to what you're saying MrPikon. When news hit of "kills" (under very unrealistic combat simulations), many Typhoon fans pulled the "I told you so routine", and this event is only mentioned to show what can happen, even to the Typhoon. Agreed that the context is not quite certain, but again a ratio like 80:1 is still a staggering feat (F-22 data). Typhoon should be realizing large kill to loss ratios as well (will wait for more info).
4Skunky 4 years ago
not hardly.
odessaboy 4 years ago
All structural issues are being addressed right now, Zeptocomp. No issue is serious enough to keep the F-22 from continuing to fly for the USAF. Nowhere in the reports d you cite do they say successive years have different aims. Where do you get this crap? If they are making an assessment of the state of the program, it is made as to where the program is at a point in time. Just because you read the reports obviously doesn't mean you understand what you read.
4Skunky 4 years ago
Zeptocomp, you make some good points and I agree that the F-22 is not as perfect as some people imagine it to be but if the F-22 is old crap from the eighties then what does that make the EF ??
You don't need to bitch about the plane to make a point ...
MrPikon 4 years ago
And it would also be interesting to note all the development issues that have arisen and will arise in the future with the Typhoon (or any new Russian platform, for that matter). The one thing about US military spending is the transparency (for the most part) with the spending process, and public access to the numbers (available even to the likes of Zeptocomp). This isn't the norm in most of the World.
4Skunky 4 years ago
This old timer was concieved in 1979. Ths plane is commonly compared to the f-18f superhornet. Although the superhornets has more advanced electronics. Built by a consordium starting in 1986. Not bad for it's age, but by no means comparable to the F-22
Rip1969 4 years ago
I have given your sources to 10 congress reports so far and can bury you in the them, so far you only make false claims and never provide any links - how about jsut 1 link next time you make a claim?
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
The US Government Accountability Office calls the processor in the F22 raptor "obsolete" - i dont know who you try to fool, but if it me give it up, i rad all reports about the F22 raptor from US congress, the F22 is shit, communists couldnt plan a worse project than what USAF have done here.
Zeptocomp 4 years ago
In the most recent assessment by GAO (GAO-07-406SP), no processor issues are mentioned, Zeptocomp. It clearly says the original AtA capabilities are stable and mature, and have been since '03. Some additional capabilities that have been added as technology has advanced aren't currently mature. Some of the AtG capabilities, including JDAM delivery are characterized as "mission capable", while others continue to mature. So it goes with every new platform.
4Skunky 4 years ago
Additionally, the same GAO report says the structural issues you mention are being addressed by the SRP, and are scheduled to completed in about 2 years. When pushing the envelope, these issues arise, as computer simulations can't envision every scenario (especially when proper heat treat isn't performed by subcontractors).
4Skunky 4 years ago
"communists co