@PACER2320 LOL. you are correct. I'm getting ready to go get me some "chicken-n-rice" (saturday only) at cracker barrel.Hahahhaha. Good thing I'm not some big official, otherwise it would be easy to assassinate me waiting at a cracker barrel. LOL. It took about ~15 trips to get that "stockpile" LOL. Stockpile is down, and I modded that jellylite stove and can attain a rolling boil under 5 minutes. :) watch?v=MI7-zAC_fjE
If you widen the pot to burner gap, the flame will collect more under the base than out the sides. If the flame can more directly radiate the fuel, it should release it's energy faster and speed your boil time. I think the dish is 1-3/4" diameter? The tealite is 1-1/2". Increasing radiation by the square of that ratio (smaller over larger) should enhance your boil time by that fraction IF you get the flame to form under the pot rather than out the sides.
I initially tried this setup without the 4 quarters and never boiled the water; merely small bubbles. So it appears i would need to fine tune it between the 2 settings? The base of jelly container is actually a little smaller at 1- 3/8" and the top is at just under 1-3/4". I used a syringe fitted w/ catheter to measure the 1/2oz.; also realized the tealite is not 1oz. , but just under 3/4oz. my smaller tealite is at 1/2oz.
The tealight set up is optimal around 1-1/2" gap. That's 3 harware cloth squares between the base and the top of the tealight. The flame plume you see is only burning where the air meets the fuel vapor. Everything inside is merely vaporized fuel with no air. So placing this sheet under the pot and allowing it to spread over the bottom of the can and not the sides of the can allows more radiation to impinge upon the fuel in the tray to boil it off faster.
part 2: when the fuel level lowers, the surface size shrinks, but the metal still catches radiation. It might do even better if the tray is embedded with black carbon cloth that is being used now in stoves, since black absorbs radiation better. I would rest the tray on an insulated pad with a foil reflective surface to send radiation back up into the flame. You may be losing heat when the cup transfers heat to the table.
part 3: When the tealight cup is placed under a Heiny with a 1-1/2 inch gaps and with two cups of water, the result is a rolling boil in about 10 minutes. The flame makes a shape akin to a nuclear power plant cooling tower. This is what you want to acheive if you want more radiation to impinge on the tray to boil the fuel off faster.
You must be above sea level quite a ways to get it to boil that hard at 203F. At sea level you would have to compensate by a factor of 6% added to your boil time.
nah. LOL. i work for telecommunications company. I have to ride the chairlift to the top and snowshoe over about 1/2 mile at 12,000ft. LOL {gasps for air}
That is one really good observation! I was just talking about this in our latest video. I saw the temp at 200 and I know that Hiram gets 212. So I figured that ez2curanut must be at a higher elevation. I was just going to ask and ... well well you beat me to it.
You have the power to make a significant elevation change in one day. Perhaps a demo video at the bottom first and then at the top. We all know what should happen but few of us have seen it done.
Hmmmm i like.. you are saying do boil tests at say 5200 ft, and then boil tests at 12,048ft? I can do this, just not as easy now, as i would have to snowshow in, and would take about 6hr now. In July when the snow is gone, i can drive (i know lazy) to top and difference in time would be about 3hrs. Sounds like a plan....
very nice
U must like cracker barrel. How many trips did it take to get all those?
PACER2320 1 year ago
@PACER2320 LOL. you are correct. I'm getting ready to go get me some "chicken-n-rice" (saturday only) at cracker barrel.Hahahhaha. Good thing I'm not some big official, otherwise it would be easy to assassinate me waiting at a cracker barrel. LOL. It took about ~15 trips to get that "stockpile" LOL. Stockpile is down, and I modded that jellylite stove and can attain a rolling boil under 5 minutes. :) watch?v=MI7-zAC_fjE
ez2curanut 1 year ago
Check - LOL!
wawhiker 1 year ago
If you widen the pot to burner gap, the flame will collect more under the base than out the sides. If the flame can more directly radiate the fuel, it should release it's energy faster and speed your boil time. I think the dish is 1-3/4" diameter? The tealite is 1-1/2". Increasing radiation by the square of that ratio (smaller over larger) should enhance your boil time by that fraction IF you get the flame to form under the pot rather than out the sides.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
I initially tried this setup without the 4 quarters and never boiled the water; merely small bubbles. So it appears i would need to fine tune it between the 2 settings? The base of jelly container is actually a little smaller at 1- 3/8" and the top is at just under 1-3/4". I used a syringe fitted w/ catheter to measure the 1/2oz.; also realized the tealite is not 1oz. , but just under 3/4oz. my smaller tealite is at 1/2oz.
ez2curanut 2 years ago
The tealight set up is optimal around 1-1/2" gap. That's 3 harware cloth squares between the base and the top of the tealight. The flame plume you see is only burning where the air meets the fuel vapor. Everything inside is merely vaporized fuel with no air. So placing this sheet under the pot and allowing it to spread over the bottom of the can and not the sides of the can allows more radiation to impinge upon the fuel in the tray to boil it off faster.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
part 2: when the fuel level lowers, the surface size shrinks, but the metal still catches radiation. It might do even better if the tray is embedded with black carbon cloth that is being used now in stoves, since black absorbs radiation better. I would rest the tray on an insulated pad with a foil reflective surface to send radiation back up into the flame. You may be losing heat when the cup transfers heat to the table.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
part 3: When the tealight cup is placed under a Heiny with a 1-1/2 inch gaps and with two cups of water, the result is a rolling boil in about 10 minutes. The flame makes a shape akin to a nuclear power plant cooling tower. This is what you want to acheive if you want more radiation to impinge on the tray to boil the fuel off faster.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago 2
You must be above sea level quite a ways to get it to boil that hard at 203F. At sea level you would have to compensate by a factor of 6% added to your boil time.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
yes, i'm at 5,200 ft above sea level. Some of my work takes me to 12,048 ft above seal level, but typically @ 8,000ft.
ez2curanut 2 years ago
What kind of work? Paratrooper? lol
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
nah. LOL. i work for telecommunications company. I have to ride the chairlift to the top and snowshoe over about 1/2 mile at 12,000ft. LOL {gasps for air}
ez2curanut 2 years ago
That is one really good observation! I was just talking about this in our latest video. I saw the temp at 200 and I know that Hiram gets 212. So I figured that ez2curanut must be at a higher elevation. I was just going to ask and ... well well you beat me to it.
EconoChallenge 2 years ago
I'm faster than diarrhea in Mexico, buddy.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
Wow that is fast man ... LOL
EconoChallenge 2 years ago
"¡Ándale! ¡Ándale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba!"
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
5200 ft big time where i live, this summer i will make a video of stoves at 12,000" feet and see what temp is ~ 190 degrees F. LOL
ez2curanut 2 years ago
You have the power to make a significant elevation change in one day. Perhaps a demo video at the bottom first and then at the top. We all know what should happen but few of us have seen it done.
EconoChallenge 2 years ago
Hmmmm i like.. you are saying do boil tests at say 5200 ft, and then boil tests at 12,048ft? I can do this, just not as easy now, as i would have to snowshow in, and would take about 6hr now. In July when the snow is gone, i can drive (i know lazy) to top and difference in time would be about 3hrs. Sounds like a plan....
ez2curanut 2 years ago