Please Google,"The Thin Line Between a Victim and An Idiot" and if this does not scare The CRAP out of you on why Virus writers are in it for the Money and you're STILL not migrating to Linux for security reasons,Then you already chose your Fate and it's already Sealed.Good Luck to ALL MS Windows users for you all gonna get and there's no one to blame but yourselves! X(
I used to game a lot of my old mac. learning another os is a new experience and take times. I meet plenty of windows user in the past that could not run mac LOL.
A computer is a computer we should not develop an elitist attitude about it. I could say that Freebsd user and slackware user are the only user that know how to use a computer lol. Overall, I found it the video true.
Linux Converts and users Cannot be blamed for being computer Elitist because Linux requires the users to have a High Learning Curve to w/c MOST Windows users do not possess. I myself am a new Linux convert 4 years ago & from the things that i have learned from day that i started to now, i just can't help myself on NOT mocking MicroSHIT WinBLOWS users for most of them are Plain stupid! Google "The Thin line between a victim and an Idiot" Blog & you'll see for yourself on what i mean! XD
It's called digitally signed executables. You do know that executable files can be digitally signed and also some packages in Linux AREN'T signed and are dangerous too even through the package manager? What's your point?
Each system is different from the other but none is truly more or less difficult to use or learn. For someone who has never used Macos it requires some time and effort to learn, the same is true for windows and linux. To suggest that any is more or less difficult to use than the others is misleading. I have been using Linux for 10 years and find myself a little lost in front of a windows machine or a mac. From my frame of reference Windows and Macos are "harder" to use than linux.
@MrLuluapples Exactly, I like Linux and freebsd because I can tinker with it a whole lot more. I Moved from mac because osX made all my games obsolete, and I have not figured out how to emulate the old system yet in Linux. Right now I think I am favoring Freebsd over Linux,but Linux has more programs I like. I find Freebsd very interesting because I had to setup Xorg. In truth the only reason I considering bsd is because of unity and gnome3,but I find out from tinkering with bsd.I dont have to
@MrLuluapples I dont have to abandon linux because though freebsd is different then Linux some stuff remains the same because they are both Unix like os under the hood. Pulse as soon as I learn more about freebsd, I can compile programs from source. I can already do that in Linux somewhat.
So if you would installl an infected package, you give it root permission to install itself. But is it necessary to be run in root too to really do damage?
But seriously, Debian is hard to use; it is for the Linux Geeks who know programming. Ubuntu is the easiest and the smallest of the builds and allows you to customize it. Ubuntu comes with FF, Movie Player, Rhythmbox music player; but I use Chrome, VLC (its a streamer too!), and Audacius. Mint comes with just about everything and looks real nice. Many other builds that I dont know of too. If you have an old puter use Ubuntu. I run a 2.2ghz and 512meg ram!! A $50 puter!
While i am sure that some of his points are somewhat valid, i must disagree. I love Ubuntu and Linux in general but the reason that we don't have the same problems, at least for the most part, is because people don't make malware and virus's for Linux. Windows has so much broader of a base that it is really a waste of time to make malware or virus's for a different OS. If everyone in the world suddenly switched to Ubuntu we would have many of the same problems that we have with Windows.
@analyzingfunny Being that my preference of computers has nothing to do with my sexual orientation, NO, I did not say that. However, since there's nothing wrong with it and I have nothing to hide, I will say that I am bi.
@elnegrobembon Yeah, the hardware on System 76 machines is designed specifically by the company to run Ubuntu (and not Windows or any other OS). I think they have pretty good warranty plans if you're having trouble... :)
Look, if the morons--sorry, users that use XP/7 were unleashed on Ubungle and Open Sluice ( which I have deployed in real world environment with said "users") they would find a way to inject malware into the equation. One Ubuntu box had what appeared to be a Firefox only "malware" that got installed as an addon (17 times) by the user. No security breach there. Add wine, and an exponential increase of users, and hello malware.
What did you say the program we can use to scan windows when its not in use? Thats kinda cool to know that i can scan it at a state that the virus cant hide and isnt doing crap to avoid my scans.
okay basically i have used ubuntu linux, i am a current windows user for the fact that i use photoshop and sony vegas, i also use my dazzle which are all incompatible with linux, its gd but untill it gets decent software for what i do then i will happilly use linux
"If linux were the predominant platform, it would have the same problems"
Not true at all. The user has to install or at the least allow software root access in Linux. In windows, you can click on a website and hit the back button before the page even loads and BAM!!!! You're infected and you don't even see it happen. This is because of things like Active X controller and other such inroads put in place by M.S. It is design, not popularity that makes Windows so vulnerable.
@MillBelater Linux being the predominant operating system wouldn't change the fact that it's open source. Security through obscurity has _never_ worked in the past. Network of trust, dude.
@MillBelater Look @jkltech . He made a comment 4 days ago (plus how many days this comment is old).
Ubuntu and other distros all have a standardised way to install software. Also, hardware is supportable by the community in Linux because almost all Linux users care to write a program when the spark lights the fire.
For example, in Ubuntu, to compile something with all frills attached, you download source code.
Talking about hardware support: I had to load this very presentation twice cause I had to VBox running (lost SP2 installation on windows server 2003), two gedit and chromium on my cube. Crhomium and flash made my X server to totally crash on an inspiron 6400 with intel graphics card. The solution: reboot by force (i.e. kill it all with the start button). And it happens from time to time. Great for linux, I will have to sell my blood for money to become a free driver engeneer to make this work!!.
Within Linux you can go to a trusted website for software, or update the PPA within the sources.list. But those who will go through the process of finding a .deb or .RPM will know how to check the checksum (md5sum) to make sure that the file is legit and unchanged.
Just installed Ubuntu 9.10 on a dual boot Windows machine and haven't used Windows in a while. I think its easier to use than windows. Many people have someone they call when their Windows machine slows down and becomes unusable, or some other issue. I am constantly fixing friends and families computers. Managing Ubuntu requires much less technical knowledge and time than maintaining Windows.
hey guys i am feeling tempted to install ubuntu. But in real life I have never seen a computer running linux.
I have been using windows for about a decade. I am not an average user but am not very technical either. so what do you guys say about my installing ubuntu?
@suli8 thanks man. i had installed ubuntu 9.10 by the time you replied to my comments. for the time being on virtualbox. but in future i will use it as dual boot. right now i am enjoying it and trying to get used to it.
In Windows and MacOSX you have to search the net for software, or buy in store. In Ubuntu, you just go to the Applications bar and select "add/remove". The software won't be familiar titles, but they are all free and everyone on Ubuntu uses them. That means there is a great wealth of knowledge about them. Because they are all right there. And any Ubuntu user can get them, so communicating that to other Ubuntu users is as easy as saying "install ..."
I read somewhere after getting hooked onto Linux which made absolute sense
"Windows thinks you are and idiot... Linux requires prove"
Not to put down Mac's or their users but it's highly overpriced for something you can pay very little for with the same security you can get from Linux. You can buy an ex-Windows machine for next to nothing because the machine is so blogged down. Install Linux and have just as great a machine as a Mac. Worst case you have to change a video card.
It used to be really really hard, back int he 90s.. But these days its actually easier than Windows to manage. The hard part is getting your hardware to work with it.. But anyone switching to Windows 7 or such, deals with similar hardware issues. It's just that people don't usually have the experience of installing software, let alone entire operating systems, and exposing the general public to Linux, requires installing it. And that is what many people complain about.
Linux isn't near as hard to use as Windows... it's just a little different. That's it. It's 10 times easier to install and use and not to mention the amount of time involved to install. OMG Windows takes 10 times more time to get it up and running. It's a tough sell to a Windows user though because people just don't like change. Babysitting Billy's rotten kid as become a habit and it's hard to break a habit. LinuxUserForever... habit broke. Reboot that Windows :-)
its really not hard to use, if you're a newbie then get the kde version, kubuntu - its so easy to use - way easier than windows anyway!
montg2perfection 3 weeks ago
Please Google,"The Thin Line Between a Victim and An Idiot" and if this does not scare The CRAP out of you on why Virus writers are in it for the Money and you're STILL not migrating to Linux for security reasons,Then you already chose your Fate and it's already Sealed.Good Luck to ALL MS Windows users for you all gonna get and there's no one to blame but yourselves! X(
joel750 1 month ago
People who use Linux are people are the following:
1) Knows exactly how to REALLY operate a computer.
2) Are not easily scared of discovering and learning New stuff.
3) People who are Auto-Diducts (Self-Learning Individuals).
4) People who have a High Learning Curve (Linux REQUIRES this).
5) People who are not spoiled that everything else is done for them.
5) People who are Self-Reliant & Motivated
6) People who NEEDS Constant Learning
7) AND people who are not afraid of challenges
Linux ROCKS!!
joel750 1 month ago
I used to game a lot of my old mac. learning another os is a new experience and take times. I meet plenty of windows user in the past that could not run mac LOL.
A computer is a computer we should not develop an elitist attitude about it. I could say that Freebsd user and slackware user are the only user that know how to use a computer lol. Overall, I found it the video true.
wooka64 4 months ago
@wooka64
Linux Converts and users Cannot be blamed for being computer Elitist because Linux requires the users to have a High Learning Curve to w/c MOST Windows users do not possess. I myself am a new Linux convert 4 years ago & from the things that i have learned from day that i started to now, i just can't help myself on NOT mocking MicroSHIT WinBLOWS users for most of them are Plain stupid! Google "The Thin line between a victim and an Idiot" Blog & you'll see for yourself on what i mean! XD
joel750 1 month ago
It's called digitally signed executables. You do know that executable files can be digitally signed and also some packages in Linux AREN'T signed and are dangerous too even through the package manager? What's your point?
longhairsRcool 4 months ago
Each system is different from the other but none is truly more or less difficult to use or learn. For someone who has never used Macos it requires some time and effort to learn, the same is true for windows and linux. To suggest that any is more or less difficult to use than the others is misleading. I have been using Linux for 10 years and find myself a little lost in front of a windows machine or a mac. From my frame of reference Windows and Macos are "harder" to use than linux.
MrLuluapples 5 months ago
@MrLuluapples Exactly, I like Linux and freebsd because I can tinker with it a whole lot more. I Moved from mac because osX made all my games obsolete, and I have not figured out how to emulate the old system yet in Linux. Right now I think I am favoring Freebsd over Linux,but Linux has more programs I like. I find Freebsd very interesting because I had to setup Xorg. In truth the only reason I considering bsd is because of unity and gnome3,but I find out from tinkering with bsd.I dont have to
wooka64 4 months ago
@MrLuluapples I dont have to abandon linux because though freebsd is different then Linux some stuff remains the same because they are both Unix like os under the hood. Pulse as soon as I learn more about freebsd, I can compile programs from source. I can already do that in Linux somewhat.
wooka64 4 months ago
So if you would installl an infected package, you give it root permission to install itself. But is it necessary to be run in root too to really do damage?
generaldeejee 6 months ago
But seriously, Debian is hard to use; it is for the Linux Geeks who know programming. Ubuntu is the easiest and the smallest of the builds and allows you to customize it. Ubuntu comes with FF, Movie Player, Rhythmbox music player; but I use Chrome, VLC (its a streamer too!), and Audacius. Mint comes with just about everything and looks real nice. Many other builds that I dont know of too. If you have an old puter use Ubuntu. I run a 2.2ghz and 512meg ram!! A $50 puter!
analyzingfunny 7 months ago
While i am sure that some of his points are somewhat valid, i must disagree. I love Ubuntu and Linux in general but the reason that we don't have the same problems, at least for the most part, is because people don't make malware and virus's for Linux. Windows has so much broader of a base that it is really a waste of time to make malware or virus's for a different OS. If everyone in the world suddenly switched to Ubuntu we would have many of the same problems that we have with Windows.
HitNail 9 months ago
Should try DOS
Films4You 10 months ago
Unless a Mac is NOT a computer, than us Mac users can use a computer.
I do think though that Linux is the way of the future and it COULD overtake Windows.
I am still a Mac user but use Linux sometimes as well.
ckildegaard 11 months ago
@ckildegaard So, you saying, you are gay?
analyzingfunny 7 months ago
@analyzingfunny Being that my preference of computers has nothing to do with my sexual orientation, NO, I did not say that. However, since there's nothing wrong with it and I have nothing to hide, I will say that I am bi.
ckildegaard 7 months ago
LIKE THIS IF YOUR WATCHING THIS IN UBUNTU/LINUX!
goatk1 11 months ago 31
aren't system76 computers supposed to be guaranteed to have hardware that is supported by linux? or at least supported by ubuntu?
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon Yeah, the hardware on System 76 machines is designed specifically by the company to run Ubuntu (and not Windows or any other OS). I think they have pretty good warranty plans if you're having trouble... :)
ckildegaard 11 months ago
Look, if the morons--sorry, users that use XP/7 were unleashed on Ubungle and Open Sluice ( which I have deployed in real world environment with said "users") they would find a way to inject malware into the equation. One Ubuntu box had what appeared to be a Firefox only "malware" that got installed as an addon (17 times) by the user. No security breach there. Add wine, and an exponential increase of users, and hello malware.
MillBelater 1 year ago
Avast! Free for Windows can eradicate viruses before you boot. Just schedule a boot-time scan (it will start as the kernel argument)
jjovereats 1 year ago
what if whatever you want to download isn't in the repository and you have to install from src. pretty complicated i know but possible me thinks.
miasmablk 1 year ago
What did you say the program we can use to scan windows when its not in use? Thats kinda cool to know that i can scan it at a state that the virus cant hide and isnt doing crap to avoid my scans.
razor005 1 year ago
okay basically i have used ubuntu linux, i am a current windows user for the fact that i use photoshop and sony vegas, i also use my dazzle which are all incompatible with linux, its gd but untill it gets decent software for what i do then i will happilly use linux
19guitarhero94 1 year ago
I guess I should have looked at the date this video was uploaded.
Tununias 1 year ago
is the add and remove software option on 10.04 or something? I have Ubuntu 10.10 and I have Ubuntu Software Center instead.
Tununias 1 year ago
If linux were the predominant platform, it would have the same problems
MillBelater 1 year ago 2
@MillBelater
"If linux were the predominant platform, it would have the same problems"
Not true at all. The user has to install or at the least allow software root access in Linux. In windows, you can click on a website and hit the back button before the page even loads and BAM!!!! You're infected and you don't even see it happen. This is because of things like Active X controller and other such inroads put in place by M.S. It is design, not popularity that makes Windows so vulnerable.
Yldii 1 year ago
@MillBelater Linux being the predominant operating system wouldn't change the fact that it's open source. Security through obscurity has _never_ worked in the past. Network of trust, dude.
jkltech 1 year ago
@jkltech Yeah. +10'777'451.
jjovereats 1 year ago
@MillBelater Look @jkltech . He made a comment 4 days ago (plus how many days this comment is old).
Ubuntu and other distros all have a standardised way to install software. Also, hardware is supportable by the community in Linux because almost all Linux users care to write a program when the spark lights the fire.
For example, in Ubuntu, to compile something with all frills attached, you download source code.
jjovereats 1 year ago
can linux fedora get virus):
adrianstelianpopa 1 year ago
Talking about hardware support: I had to load this very presentation twice cause I had to VBox running (lost SP2 installation on windows server 2003), two gedit and chromium on my cube. Crhomium and flash made my X server to totally crash on an inspiron 6400 with intel graphics card. The solution: reboot by force (i.e. kill it all with the start button). And it happens from time to time. Great for linux, I will have to sell my blood for money to become a free driver engeneer to make this work!!.
esancaro 1 year ago
I started with Ubuntu, 2 years ago.
I used to like Ubuntu, but now it's very out-of-date, in the repo's, and you won't get updated without PPA.
I prefer using Debian GNU/Linux, or I could wait for Linux Mint, when they switch to Debian, and then I'll make my custom UI to work on it.
Debian on my VPS runs good
UltimatePisman 1 year ago
Within Linux you can go to a trusted website for software, or update the PPA within the sources.list. But those who will go through the process of finding a .deb or .RPM will know how to check the checksum (md5sum) to make sure that the file is legit and unchanged.
3987Gara 1 year ago
Just installed Ubuntu 9.10 on a dual boot Windows machine and haven't used Windows in a while. I think its easier to use than windows. Many people have someone they call when their Windows machine slows down and becomes unusable, or some other issue. I am constantly fixing friends and families computers. Managing Ubuntu requires much less technical knowledge and time than maintaining Windows.
FredoFreedom 1 year ago
hey guys i am feeling tempted to install ubuntu. But in real life I have never seen a computer running linux.
I have been using windows for about a decade. I am not an average user but am not very technical either. so what do you guys say about my installing ubuntu?
belask 1 year ago
@belask you should try it! keep open mind and you will not regret it!
suli8 1 year ago
@suli8 thanks man. i had installed ubuntu 9.10 by the time you replied to my comments. for the time being on virtualbox. but in future i will use it as dual boot. right now i am enjoying it and trying to get used to it.
belask 1 year ago
In Windows and MacOSX you have to search the net for software, or buy in store. In Ubuntu, you just go to the Applications bar and select "add/remove". The software won't be familiar titles, but they are all free and everyone on Ubuntu uses them. That means there is a great wealth of knowledge about them. Because they are all right there. And any Ubuntu user can get them, so communicating that to other Ubuntu users is as easy as saying "install ..."
kiernanholland 1 year ago 8
@kiernanholland
I read somewhere after getting hooked onto Linux which made absolute sense
"Windows thinks you are and idiot... Linux requires prove"
Not to put down Mac's or their users but it's highly overpriced for something you can pay very little for with the same security you can get from Linux. You can buy an ex-Windows machine for next to nothing because the machine is so blogged down. Install Linux and have just as great a machine as a Mac. Worst case you have to change a video card.
LinuxUserForever 1 year ago
linux is not hard!
studiologos619 1 year ago 14
@studiologos619
It used to be really really hard, back int he 90s.. But these days its actually easier than Windows to manage. The hard part is getting your hardware to work with it.. But anyone switching to Windows 7 or such, deals with similar hardware issues. It's just that people don't usually have the experience of installing software, let alone entire operating systems, and exposing the general public to Linux, requires installing it. And that is what many people complain about.
kiernanholland 1 year ago 2
@kiernanholland OR sell preloaded machines! I highly doubt that any linux distro would object to an OEM preloading their software...
ckildegaard 7 months ago
@studiologos619
Linux isn't near as hard to use as Windows... it's just a little different. That's it. It's 10 times easier to install and use and not to mention the amount of time involved to install. OMG Windows takes 10 times more time to get it up and running. It's a tough sell to a Windows user though because people just don't like change. Babysitting Billy's rotten kid as become a habit and it's hard to break a habit. LinuxUserForever... habit broke. Reboot that Windows :-)
LinuxUserForever 1 year ago
5/5 faved
Skybinary 2 years ago