@adam91350 Comparé à quoi ? les dix gagas, Jaunis à l'idée ? vous aimerez quand vous serez majeur ! (c'est à dire dans qq années), en attendant révisez votre orthographe si vous voulez passer en cinquième !
french dont have anything their own, only steallying, starting from leonardo da vinci etc.. or foreign queens were bringing civilization for them from Medicis till Marie Antoinette, all they have just nationalism, desperate nationalism.And florentines have nothing to do with french-Thanks God. And Bach was coping from italian composers.
@arecccccc La merde que tu racontes équivaut celle des french hater du net, baisse tu simplement ta culotte devant eux ou es tu simplement un abruti complet pour écrire ce genre de choses ?
There is nothing shameful about Lully being Florentine born (one could even carefully say « Italian », since the term predates the modern state by 2000 years) while still being a important part of French musical legacy. You should have in mind than at this particular time nationality was based on one's loyality to a prince, not to a hypothetical nation. It demonstrates France's cultural attraction during the XVIIth centuary, not its weekness.
@Hamsterzilla1349 : And for what it's worth, southern French (not to say Provencal) litterature has been of paramount influence on the birth of a proper Italian poetry during the XIII th centuary (Pétrarque and Dante, amongst the most known) and the influence of northern-Parisian French poetry has been prevalent in northern Italy during the XIV and XV th centuary.
@Hamsterzilla1349 : Seemingly, French Gothic architercture has been the base on which the Italian put there indigenous Antique aesthetics that ended to be what we know as Renaissance.
That doesn't pull anything from the Italian genius itself, but influences do exist on tremendous levels and they shouldn't be neglected.
Lully was a Florentine with a French administrative affiliation, exactly like me. And we can perfectly be both "French" and "Tuscan" at the same time. Remember that these folks were much more European than we are today. They were subject of kings and Christian, not members of nations, and most of the elite spoke, wrote and read the same language: Latin, and some French. That's it. Get over it and let us enjoy the music.
@NOKIDOI My dear, you don't need to explain, Italians are never so ugly as this conductor, have you you ever heard about Roman nose, just look at pig like nose of this man?
@inchesa1 Thanks, sorry about that, I have seen some of his movies in USA. He is a good actor. However, I was concerned your favorite actor hurt himself with that stick, best regards.
@Gonnakillyou Hello my friend, I will send Julius Caesar back again to your part of the world and you can have a good look to his nose, or you can have a look to his statue, then you may learn how a Roman nose look like.
Hahaha!! Actually, that guy is the Great Gerard Depardieu... One of the greatest actors of all time playing Marin Marais, a 100% french guy, who composed another masterpiece called La Sonnerie de Sainte-Geneviève du Mont de Paris, so if you like Baroque Music, I suggest you go listen to that...
@Arkhandras Thanks for your comments, please inform your favorite actor not to pee in public at the airport next time he happens in our part of the world (it was on the news few days ago.)
Yes, I love Baroque, it is the purest and most sincere form of music; Italian, French and anywhere else, and take care my dear.
jajajajaja Louis XIV's great arts mesenchymal type of the reign of the Bourbons gave glory to France 100 years of military and artistic Excellency but the French are a fuck they wanted freedom and they got it but at what cost it became a disaster the same Robespierre and Danton Shearing stay, but I get the Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte lise he built roads throughout France gave all that great big man the emperor
Lord... so poor anti french discussion... french, english, italian, german... human? May be european? Enjoy lully music... that s all! And that s a lot! And thanks to Louis XIV because he appreciated those beautiful musics... that s all.
@EricTheRed03 It was an accident. Lully dropped the staff on his foot and died of gangrene infection. In the context of the film, the conductor is viol composer Marin Marais, but his staff is an historical nod to Lully.
French did not give a fraction of what Italians gave to the world, that includes the language of music, Please be happy with your sick revolution and your Guillotine.
People, it is clear that Lully was an Italian ethnically. But, he could not have been an Italian national, for the Italian nation state did not exist yet. But France did, and when he moved to France he became a French national.
I have never encountered more people attempting to defend a completly INDEFENSIBLE position.
-He was born in Florence Italy 1632 as Giovanni Battista Lulli !
-His first language was ITALIAN!
- His parents were ITALIAN!
-HE WAS ITALIAN!!
I don't care what he or anyone else says, you cannot make yourself something you are not just because you declare it! Nothing will change these simple facts, and to argue in the contrary would be as ridiculous as arguing about the benefits of oxygen!
@rylege Thank you for the comment...finally! You know, when people say "italian born french composer" it puts much more emphasis on "french", because "born" can mean many things. So...what about Cherubini and Offenbach? Or Händel perhaps? Are Stravinsky, Schoenberg or Rachmaninov Russian-born american composers? One of my composition teachers is Ukrainian and he has recently obtained american citizenship, he is 60 and he's been here for 15 years, but he is definitely ukrainian.
@Rachegotter Verdi was born in politically French controlled part of Italy, in the Province of Parma! That does not make him French any more than Lulli moving to France and becoming a national. Your comment might take the cake in stupidity! Are you taking crazy pills or something, cause you are high!
@rylege So basically, nobody is French. Taking the nationality isn't enough. Being born on a French owned land isn't enough. You're the lunatic. George Washington was born English and died American. Nothing amazing about it. This is the kind of statements which are totally out of grasp for the low intelligence of a cretin like you.
@Rachegotter No... if someone is born in an ethinically and culturally historical place that is French then they are French. This does not apply to either Verdi or Lulli. And yes Washington was an Englishman as were all the American Founding Fathers. It's very simple!
@rylege How ludicrous! There's no "ethnically" French! 60% of current French nationals have a grandfather born abroad. Are French people who CHOOSE to be. As for "historically" don't use words you don't understand. The borders of France have changed immensely in the past 500 years. And go tell Americans that their first president wasn't American. You idiot. Lully left Italy because he didn't like it. He changed his name to a French one and he chose to become a French citizen, which he was.
@skellez83 True. It is in France that he was musically educated and where he developed his formidable talent. France was at the time the most powerful country on Earth, while "Italy" was little more than a collection of independent confettis governed by dukes, counts, etc... It would have been difficult for Lully to become anyone in such a place. Fortunately, the good king Louis XIV de France held his hand and gave him the means to become a great French musician.
@Rachegotter oh...so in Italy we didn't have any art or music in the 17th century? So why did Charpentier feel the urge to go to study in Rome? I "thought" that Lulli brought opera to France from where it was "invented"...
@Rachegotter Haha no! I just meditate on how easily people can say things about Italy without knowing. It's better to have artistic glory rather than political, which comes from war, invasion and exploitation of other civilizations.
@Rachegotter French did not give a fraction of what Italians gave to the world, that includes the language of music, Please be happy with your sick revolution and your Guillotine.
Everyone, please stop with the crazy ethic/nationalistic arguments! He was an Italian born French composer. That's it! Accept it! His ethnicity was Italian, his nationality was French. End of story!
@papaours3 What is wrong with you people? A French national does not need to beg to get the French nationality. Do you understand these very very basics.
Cette scène a été tournée dans la Galerie dorée de l'hôtel particulier du comte de Toulouse, fils légitimé de Louis XIV et de Mme de Montespan. Une musique magnifique dans un chef d'oeuvre de l'architecte Robert de Cotte, 1712.
Poor Lully, as concertmaster he was walloping the floor with that bloody great baton and hit his foot. The resulting infection killed him. Playing drum kit is a better way to do cardiovascular training.
Al escuchar a J.B. Lully, sintes algo más que música, algo más que el sonido de la música, sientes la pasión, el amor y la grandeza de la época, yo diía que es una música intemporal y solo a un necio no le gustaría tal emoción.
@zardoz1961 Meaningless! If I had left the States for France at 13 I would have made little difference other than being BI-lingual and a more well rounded upbringing.
Haven't these primitive frogs heard of a baton, and not a huge staff? That's how Lully bought the farm. He stabbed himself in the foot with one of those things, caught gangrene, and died.
Giovanni Battistta Lulli was born in Florence, under the Grand Dukes of Tuscany; Italy began to exist, as a nation, more than two centuries after. Jean Baptiste Lully is a true testimonial of genuine French baroque style. And yes, I'm Italian :-)
Why all this childish quarrel about who tops whom? This wonderful music should bring people together. And why do some (I'm sorry) idiots insult great musicians like Bach? Is it prejudice in general against certain Nations and automatically their musicians?
It's really sad and a waste if you just see the Nationality and don't listen to the music because of it.
Depardieu is a total master of the small but significant gesture. How that tiny movement of his eyebrow expresses such profound regret is a source of constant wonderment to me.
He is a genius.
It is so very sad that his son, who plays the young Lully in this movie, died so young.
@tacfoley Depardieu's son didn't play young Lully, but young Marin Marais, a french compositor. The movie isn't about Lully, but about Sainte-Colombe and his student, Marin Marais =)
They made music because they where exceptionally talented musicians not because of what country they came from. How many beautiful operas have been made in italian? Does this mean that Italians make better music? Give silvio berlusconi any instrument, give him a trumpet. What will happen? Will he be able to make beautiful music? Certainly not, he will propably end up trying to have sex with the dam thing.
Actually this was written by an Italian named Giovanni Battista Lulli (Jean Baptiste Lully) who worked for the French King. French Classical music was build upon his work.
@sinuc- Germany does not top France in Classical music! The Holy Roman Empire (Austria) tops France. There was no Germany in those days.
In truth, the Italians are the bedrock of Opera and Classical music of which all the greats learned from.
Je pense que nous avons pas à rougir face aux Allemands! Jean philippe Rameau, Marc antoine Charpentier, Jean baptiste Lully (italien de naissance mais naturalisé Français), Marin Marais, Claude Débussy, Etienne Nicolas Méhud, Maurice Ravel, Berlioz, Chevalier de Saint-Georges, François Joseph Gossec, François Devienne, Bizet, Saint-saëns, Massenet..........
Different nations are evolving at different rates. The next leap in the evolution of humanity is to realize that we are all humans instead of been conditioned into believing that we are a certain culture,nation,social class,gender. At the end, we all die. That makes all equal. I am reading a book on the Medieval World. In 470,the strongest king of the Franks killed all the leader of the smaller tribes to unified his kindgom- this is the beginning of the French state and then nation.
@Enrique6299 Except: no. It's _not_ simply "conditioning" (although social scientists adhering to Franz Boas' school of anthropological thought love this turn of phrase to explain away human differences -- in more than one sense of the word). The so-called "blank slate" of human nature is nowadays seen by most serious scientists as litte more than wishful thinking. Being wary of or hostile towards strangers is not simply some cultural construct; it's genetic hardwiring. Like it or lump it.
@AboRasul Yes, You are right. Since humans have all the animals instincts:survival,social,and sexual drives,they can act that way. Every group values are values for survival of the group. It is a trance that gets manipulated by religion,ideology,the idea of empire,state and nation. So,Dependending where you born,how you were raised that's how you would see the world if you don't question your family's values,society,education.
@cheesyrichardhead Violence ? Is poverty violent? is lack of things violent ? Is the wrong color of skin violent ? Muslim extremists savages ? Anarchists Savages ? Communists savages ? socilists savages ?.
Almost all those instruments were invented and built in Italy.
LordMSh 1 week ago
lully was one of the most important musician of all times and tragically forgotten
MsOal 2 weeks ago
Avrupa bizden ne kadar etkilenmiş yâhû...
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@adam91350 Comparé à quoi ? les dix gagas, Jaunis à l'idée ? vous aimerez quand vous serez majeur ! (c'est à dire dans qq années), en attendant révisez votre orthographe si vous voulez passer en cinquième !
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LEGOFFMARTINEAU 1 month ago
Better than Turkish March
OptimusPrimeB166er 1 month ago
@OptimusPrimeB166er Do they even compare?
markusboyd3 1 month ago
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I agree and it`s more like the Janissary marches unlike Mozart`s.
mail2onur 1 month ago
ou simple oubli, pardonnable !!!
j'éspère...
barockeuse1 1 month ago
mon film favori ! Depardieu qui joue Lully, c''est à voir ! et à écouter surtout....
barockeuse1 1 month ago
@barockeuse1 Il ne joue pas Lully... Il joue Marin Marais 'vieux'...
tchoupi9 1 month ago
@tchoupi9 désolée, grossière erreur de ma part, merçi de l'avoir réparer...
barockeuse1 1 month ago
@barockeuse1 Hahah pas de problèmes :-)
tchoupi9 1 month ago
I was the 999th person to like this... Who'll be the 1000th?
Camerinus 2 months ago
If he keeps waving that stick like that he is going to kill someone!
EricTheRed03 2 months ago
@EricTheRed03 Do you know Lully died by planting his stick in his own foot :o ?
tchoupi9 1 month ago
@tchoupi9 Now that's ironic :O
EricTheRed03 1 month ago
14 people should strike their toe with a baton, develop an abscess that turns gangrenous, refuse to have it treated, and die two months later.
afkbrb123 2 months ago
This movie should have won best foreign picture that year!!!! This movie rules as does the soundtrack!!!! Long live Marin Marais!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....
slopoke2112 2 months ago
VIVE LULLY ET LA FRANCE ETERNELLE!!!!!
fred73ds 2 months ago
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Et biensur, Vive la Turquie eternelle :)
mail2onur 1 month ago
i lol'ed at gerard depardieu
besace40 2 months ago in playlist besace40's favorites
this makes me proud of my Turkishness!
BozokinUnitedKingdom 3 months ago
NO!
GUSTAVnordwiking 3 months ago
I think I am obsessed with this piece! Thanks Lully
waistoi 4 months ago
Lully was definitely more French than the current French football team
Akatosh86 4 months ago in playlist Akatosh86's Favorited Videos
Jean-Baptiste Lully - Armide, LWV 71 Act II, Scene 5, Prelude
watch?v=Cb6eM9iI3TE
=)
radioconantena65 4 months ago
WHAT YEAR DID HE COMPOSE THIS IN?
sourcreampuff 4 months ago
@sourcreampuff 1669 or 1670
barbaricyawper14 3 months ago
speak any normal language, I dont speak your froggy language !
cheatters.
arecccccc 4 months ago
@arecccccc bien sur que si que tu comprends notre langue, vile imposteur!
je viens de vérifier ton pays sur ta carte d'idendité et c'est la France, alors arrète de raconter des salades s'il te plait..
charliboy75 4 months ago
as much as wine is french, or marie curie or chopin, or cheese, or roccoco, or barocco art, or the so cald french gardens....
arecccccc 4 months ago
@arecccccc
Or even the French themselves
TJPinoy 3 months ago
french dont have anything their own, only steallying, starting from leonardo da vinci etc.. or foreign queens were bringing civilization for them from Medicis till Marie Antoinette, all they have just nationalism, desperate nationalism.And florentines have nothing to do with french-Thanks God. And Bach was coping from italian composers.
arecccccc 4 months ago
@arecccccc La merde que tu racontes équivaut celle des french hater du net, baisse tu simplement ta culotte devant eux ou es tu simplement un abruti complet pour écrire ce genre de choses ?
CptFoupoudav 4 months ago
como se llama ese baston-batuta que usa
MsOal 4 months ago
There is nothing shameful about Lully being Florentine born (one could even carefully say « Italian », since the term predates the modern state by 2000 years) while still being a important part of French musical legacy. You should have in mind than at this particular time nationality was based on one's loyality to a prince, not to a hypothetical nation. It demonstrates France's cultural attraction during the XVIIth centuary, not its weekness.
Hamsterzilla1349 4 months ago
@Hamsterzilla1349 : And for what it's worth, southern French (not to say Provencal) litterature has been of paramount influence on the birth of a proper Italian poetry during the XIII th centuary (Pétrarque and Dante, amongst the most known) and the influence of northern-Parisian French poetry has been prevalent in northern Italy during the XIV and XV th centuary.
Hamsterzilla1349 4 months ago
@Hamsterzilla1349 : Seemingly, French Gothic architercture has been the base on which the Italian put there indigenous Antique aesthetics that ended to be what we know as Renaissance.
That doesn't pull anything from the Italian genius itself, but influences do exist on tremendous levels and they shouldn't be neglected.
Hamsterzilla1349 4 months ago
why the director of orchesta use and a baton for stick
MsOal 4 months ago
La magnificenza di questa musica e di questo film sono rare perle.
michus57 4 months ago
If Bach were a Ferrari, Lully would be a Lamborghini!
(yeah, he was also born Italian)
AvyScottandFlower 4 months ago
Звучит лучше, чем капелла Эстебана.
pondeflouers 5 months ago
Lully was a Florentine with a French administrative affiliation, exactly like me. And we can perfectly be both "French" and "Tuscan" at the same time. Remember that these folks were much more European than we are today. They were subject of kings and Christian, not members of nations, and most of the elite spoke, wrote and read the same language: Latin, and some French. That's it. Get over it and let us enjoy the music.
salahidin 5 months ago
But maybe to close this dumb arguing about J.B Lully's nationality.
On this scene of "Tous les matins du monde".
The character (Played by G.Depardieu),
conducting the orchestra isn't J.B Lully, but Marin Marais.
(The movie is about him and Mr de Sainte Colombe)
Marin Marais was the student in composition class of J.B Lully and his former assitant.
That's why, he has been shown conducting the "Marche pour la cérémonie des Turcs".
NOKIDOI 5 months ago
@NOKIDOI My dear, you don't need to explain, Italians are never so ugly as this conductor, have you you ever heard about Roman nose, just look at pig like nose of this man?
LordMSh 3 months ago 18
@LordMSh o my god this is not cunductor this is Gérard Depardieu actor and he is amaizing actor... i love hes pig nose...
inchesa1 2 months ago
@inchesa1 Who ever he may be, I wish him good luck with that big stick.
LordMSh 2 months ago
@inchesa1 you not knew Gérard Depardieu ? o my god.,,,...,.,.,
inchesa1 2 months ago
@inchesa1 Thanks, sorry about that, I have seen some of his movies in USA. He is a good actor. However, I was concerned your favorite actor hurt himself with that stick, best regards.
LordMSh 2 months ago
@LordMSh I do not think that Aquiline noses are something to take pride in.
Gonnakillyou 2 months ago
@Gonnakillyou No........
LordMSh 2 months ago
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LordMSh 1 month ago
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@Gonnakillyou Hello my friend, I will send Julius Caesar back again to your part of the world and you can have a good look to his nose, or you can have a look to his statue, then you may learn how a Roman nose look like.
LordMSh 1 month ago
@LordMSh
Hahaha!! Actually, that guy is the Great Gerard Depardieu... One of the greatest actors of all time playing Marin Marais, a 100% french guy, who composed another masterpiece called La Sonnerie de Sainte-Geneviève du Mont de Paris, so if you like Baroque Music, I suggest you go listen to that...
Arkhandras 2 months ago
@Arkhandras Thanks for your comments, please inform your favorite actor not to pee in public at the airport next time he happens in our part of the world (it was on the news few days ago.)
Yes, I love Baroque, it is the purest and most sincere form of music; Italian, French and anywhere else, and take care my dear.
LordMSh 2 months ago
@LordMSh You obviously haven't seen the movie. That is not supposed to be Lully but the ripened Marin Marais conducting Lully's music.
bunosuke59 1 month ago
@bunosuke59 I have seen the movie.
LordMSh 1 month ago
@bunosuke59 The movie sells for $18 on eBay.
LordMSh 1 month ago
@LordMSh WTF? Already have it. You trying to sell me something?
bunosuke59 1 month ago
@bunosuke59 No.
LordMSh 1 month ago
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LordMSh 3 weeks ago
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@bunosuke59 Please have a look to the top comment, this was my answer to a similar comment, thanks.
LordMSh 3 weeks ago
@LordMSh That is not supposed to be Lully, but Marin Marais conducting Lully's music at the court.
bunosuke59 1 month ago
@bunosuke59 Thanks, I know.
LordMSh 1 month ago
@bunosuke59 I know, you don' need to explain.
LordMSh 1 month ago
@LordMSh he is marin marais not lully
MsOal 2 weeks ago
@MsOal Yes, see the very top comment.
LordMSh 2 weeks ago
This music is so grandiose, as if a majesty's cohort is travelling through an European royal court.
Also, very catchy melody, if you ask me.
Chymistry1 5 months ago
GERARD DEPARDIEU RULES!!!!!!!!!!
Darkbunny1890 5 months ago
best scene ever facing the orchestra at 1:51
love Lully he was not French or Italian
he is Lully and so universal
soundzgreg 6 months ago
I can see why he stabbed his foot
thefeuds 6 months ago
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After 400 years we are reduced from this to Lady GaGa.
LordMSh 6 months ago
lol i'm a turkish guy and i'm laughing , we have nothing to do with that xD
nesko1907 6 months ago
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jajajajaja Louis XIV's great arts mesenchymal type of the reign of the Bourbons gave glory to France 100 years of military and artistic Excellency but the French are a fuck they wanted freedom and they got it but at what cost it became a disaster the same Robespierre and Danton Shearing stay, but I get the Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte lise he built roads throughout France gave all that great big man the emperor
MsOal 6 months ago
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LordMSh 6 months ago
Music has no nationality. You shouldn't talk about a composer's nationality, but about his talent.
And Lully had some.
Guanfei 6 months ago 3
Lord... so poor anti french discussion... french, english, italian, german... human? May be european? Enjoy lully music... that s all! And that s a lot! And thanks to Louis XIV because he appreciated those beautiful musics... that s all.
isaloicvideo 6 months ago
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LordMSh 6 months ago
Isn't this the dude that kills himself by stabbing himself in the foot with his waving stick?
EricTheRed03 6 months ago
@EricTheRed03 yes he crushed his toe and it became infected
Calbas1 6 months ago in playlist bach lully campra rameau delalande
@EricTheRed03 It was an accident. Lully dropped the staff on his foot and died of gangrene infection. In the context of the film, the conductor is viol composer Marin Marais, but his staff is an historical nod to Lully.
ninebreaker21 6 months ago
There was no united Italy in this time so everyone can stop talking about Italy and being Italian
suffiice 6 months ago
@suffiice You mean there was, but they were not united????
LordMSh 6 months ago
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Almost all those musical instruments are invented and built in Italy.
LordMSh 6 months ago 27
@LordMSh Hasn't this world seen enough of nationalism? Enjoy the music!
ninebreaker21 6 months ago
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@ninebreaker21 You are very right, enjoy the music? that's what I am doing, thanks for the very civilized comment.
LordMSh 6 months ago
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French did not give a fraction of what Italians gave to the world, that includes the language of music, Please be happy with your sick revolution and your Guillotine.
LordMSh 7 months ago
なんど観ても、胸が詰まる…
nowoix 7 months ago
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French are not that good to compose such a beautiful music.
LordMSh 7 months ago 41
@LordMSh Lully had a French passport. So, obviously, you're talking through your culo.
Rachegotter 7 months ago
@Rachegotter Your very poor reasoning abilities are indications of your very poor brain functions. My best regards.
LordMSh 7 months ago
@LordMSh youtube.com/watch?v=sE3-VtoRIhg
Rachegotter 7 months ago
11people thought it was justin bieber
JohannnSebastianBach 7 months ago
People, it is clear that Lully was an Italian ethnically. But, he could not have been an Italian national, for the Italian nation state did not exist yet. But France did, and when he moved to France he became a French national.
edanvsmagnvs 7 months ago
I have never encountered more people attempting to defend a completly INDEFENSIBLE position.
-He was born in Florence Italy 1632 as Giovanni Battista Lulli !
-His first language was ITALIAN!
- His parents were ITALIAN!
-HE WAS ITALIAN!!
I don't care what he or anyone else says, you cannot make yourself something you are not just because you declare it! Nothing will change these simple facts, and to argue in the contrary would be as ridiculous as arguing about the benefits of oxygen!
rylege 7 months ago
@rylege Thank you for the comment...finally! You know, when people say "italian born french composer" it puts much more emphasis on "french", because "born" can mean many things. So...what about Cherubini and Offenbach? Or Händel perhaps? Are Stravinsky, Schoenberg or Rachmaninov Russian-born american composers? One of my composition teachers is Ukrainian and he has recently obtained american citizenship, he is 60 and he's been here for 15 years, but he is definitely ukrainian.
skellez83 7 months ago
@rylege Then Verdi was French. Born in the French empire, officially registered as Joseph Verdi. That's fine by me.
Rachegotter 7 months ago
@Rachegotter Verdi was born in politically French controlled part of Italy, in the Province of Parma! That does not make him French any more than Lulli moving to France and becoming a national. Your comment might take the cake in stupidity! Are you taking crazy pills or something, cause you are high!
rylege 7 months ago
@rylege So basically, nobody is French. Taking the nationality isn't enough. Being born on a French owned land isn't enough. You're the lunatic. George Washington was born English and died American. Nothing amazing about it. This is the kind of statements which are totally out of grasp for the low intelligence of a cretin like you.
Rachegotter 7 months ago
@Rachegotter No... if someone is born in an ethinically and culturally historical place that is French then they are French. This does not apply to either Verdi or Lulli. And yes Washington was an Englishman as were all the American Founding Fathers. It's very simple!
rylege 7 months ago
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@rylege How ludicrous! There's no "ethnically" French! 60% of current French nationals have a grandfather born abroad. Are French people who CHOOSE to be. As for "historically" don't use words you don't understand. The borders of France have changed immensely in the past 500 years. And go tell Americans that their first president wasn't American. You idiot. Lully left Italy because he didn't like it. He changed his name to a French one and he chose to become a French citizen, which he was.
Rachegotter 7 months ago 4
@Rachegotter Lulli was taken away to become a "room boy" at the court when he was relatively young...
skellez83 7 months ago
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@skellez83 True. It is in France that he was musically educated and where he developed his formidable talent. France was at the time the most powerful country on Earth, while "Italy" was little more than a collection of independent confettis governed by dukes, counts, etc... It would have been difficult for Lully to become anyone in such a place. Fortunately, the good king Louis XIV de France held his hand and gave him the means to become a great French musician.
Rachegotter 7 months ago 5
@Rachegotter oh...so in Italy we didn't have any art or music in the 17th century? So why did Charpentier feel the urge to go to study in Rome? I "thought" that Lulli brought opera to France from where it was "invented"...
skellez83 7 months ago
@skellez83 You did have many castras. Are you also going to tell me Charpentier's real name was Carpentiero?
Rachegotter 7 months ago
@Rachegotter Haha no! I just meditate on how easily people can say things about Italy without knowing. It's better to have artistic glory rather than political, which comes from war, invasion and exploitation of other civilizations.
skellez83 7 months ago
@skellez83 This is rich, coming from a descendant of the Senatus Populusque Romanus...
Rachegotter 7 months ago
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@Rachegotter French did not give a fraction of what Italians gave to the world, that includes the language of music, Please be happy with your sick revolution and your Guillotine.
LordMSh 6 months ago 3
@Rachegotter French subject*. ;)
jacarradicefrench 6 months ago
Everyone, please stop with the crazy ethic/nationalistic arguments! He was an Italian born French composer. That's it! Accept it! His ethnicity was Italian, his nationality was French. End of story!
edanvsmagnvs 7 months ago
Sublime indeed!
Check this out in youtube for the original ceremonial turkish army music of the time, rythms of which are used by Lully in this piece.
" TRT - Kara Kuvvetleri ile Mehter Marsi "
Quellion01 7 months ago
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Quellion01 7 months ago
Certainement pour moi, un des 10 films parmi les plus marquant de ma vie et le dernier ou je supporte Depardieu. Une atmosphère unique !
aristobel 7 months ago
la musique n'a ni frontière, ni nationalité, elle est la musique tout simplement et cela pour notre plaisir!
mayou59500 8 months ago
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he was french and not italian . he begged the king to get the french nationality
papaours3 8 months ago 6
@papaours3 but his blood will remain ITALIAN for eternity, even if who denies his own roots should have none
Kardinale3000 7 months ago
@papaours3 If he has to beg the King for French nationality then I guess he wasn't French!
rylege 7 months ago
@papaours3 What is wrong with you people? A French national does not need to beg to get the French nationality. Do you understand these very very basics.
LordMSh 6 months ago
They took the audio-only video of this down.
kourosh89 8 months ago
@HwaetFox "every morning of tho world" is better.
gothips 8 months ago
The concept of nation we all know and argue about today wasn't even created at this time...So just listen to this amazing masterpiece.
TheOx11100 8 months ago
Ist ganz nett. Allerdings ists im Original etwa 14:Minuten
Konklavius 8 months ago
MERCI !
jplully 8 months ago
Cette scène a été tournée dans la Galerie dorée de l'hôtel particulier du comte de Toulouse, fils légitimé de Louis XIV et de Mme de Montespan. Une musique magnifique dans un chef d'oeuvre de l'architecte Robert de Cotte, 1712.
MrQuebec 8 months ago
Poor Lully, as concertmaster he was walloping the floor with that bloody great baton and hit his foot. The resulting infection killed him. Playing drum kit is a better way to do cardiovascular training.
tonecrafter55 9 months ago
Al escuchar a J.B. Lully, sintes algo más que música, algo más que el sonido de la música, sientes la pasión, el amor y la grandeza de la época, yo diía que es una música intemporal y solo a un necio no le gustaría tal emoción.
carrascodos 9 months ago
He arrives in France at 13 .
zardoz1961 9 months ago
@zardoz1961 Meaningless! If I had left the States for France at 13 I would have made little difference other than being BI-lingual and a more well rounded upbringing.
rylege 7 months ago
Petit bijou de musique baroque
lolinacarlina 9 months ago
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lolinacarlina 9 months ago
French or Italian, either way? How about it as EU-anthem?
lauritsskjoeth 9 months ago
French or Italian anthem? How about it as pompous EU-anthem?
lauritsskjoeth 9 months ago
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fhurvhur 9 months ago
Vos petites querelles nationalistes me dégoutent
spectroman75 9 months ago
Haven't these primitive frogs heard of a baton, and not a huge staff? That's how Lully bought the farm. He stabbed himself in the foot with one of those things, caught gangrene, and died.
elrond70 9 months ago
@elrond70 1- You're a hundred years too early for the baton; the staff was actually one of its precursors.
2- Lully was Italian, not French.
3- "Primitive frogs"? Really?? How much hate can one harbor against a nation as a whole?
Excuse me if I took your comment too seriously; I'm severely allergic to bigotry.
Marievska 9 months ago
@Marievska
LOL
Giovanni Battistta Lulli was born in Florence, under the Grand Dukes of Tuscany; Italy began to exist, as a nation, more than two centuries after. Jean Baptiste Lully is a true testimonial of genuine French baroque style. And yes, I'm Italian :-)
paulgiamb 9 months ago
@paulgiamb Yes but the Irony of an Italian developing French Baroque is quite funny.
rylege 7 months ago
@Marievska True about the staff. Didn't Lully die by putting it through his foot and got an infection while conducting?
DrKorn5 9 months ago
@DrKorn5 yeah, unfortunately for him :P
Marievska 9 months ago
Why all this childish quarrel about who tops whom? This wonderful music should bring people together. And why do some (I'm sorry) idiots insult great musicians like Bach? Is it prejudice in general against certain Nations and automatically their musicians?
It's really sad and a waste if you just see the Nationality and don't listen to the music because of it.
Sorry about my English.
robertW2471 9 months ago 8
VIVE LA FRANCE!!!
bichotte69 10 months ago
@HwaetFox Tous les matins du monde
SiameseChemise 10 months ago
@HwaetFox Thank you!
pondeflouers 10 months ago
Невероятно здорово! Как называется фильм? What is a name of that film?
pondeflouers 10 months ago
Magnifique.
Inurk 10 months ago
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leidulfr 10 months ago 2
Dr. Dre is jealous of the compositor.
sharpazn 10 months ago
Depardieu is a total master of the small but significant gesture. How that tiny movement of his eyebrow expresses such profound regret is a source of constant wonderment to me.
He is a genius.
It is so very sad that his son, who plays the young Lully in this movie, died so young.
tac
tacfoley 10 months ago
@tacfoley Depardieu's son didn't play young Lully, but young Marin Marais, a french compositor. The movie isn't about Lully, but about Sainte-Colombe and his student, Marin Marais =)
Marlyn4593 10 months ago
They made music because they where exceptionally talented musicians not because of what country they came from. How many beautiful operas have been made in italian? Does this mean that Italians make better music? Give silvio berlusconi any instrument, give him a trumpet. What will happen? Will he be able to make beautiful music? Certainly not, he will propably end up trying to have sex with the dam thing.
cheesyrichardhead 10 months ago
All your comments are great but nobody noticed that he is BEHIND the beat? Bad.
amatorynumber 10 months ago
@amatorynumber Well, the staff does look heavy.
ninebreaker21 6 months ago
Actually this was written by an Italian named Giovanni Battista Lulli (Jean Baptiste Lully) who worked for the French King. French Classical music was build upon his work.
@sinuc- Germany does not top France in Classical music! The Holy Roman Empire (Austria) tops France. There was no Germany in those days.
In truth, the Italians are the bedrock of Opera and Classical music of which all the greats learned from.
rylege 10 months ago
Meraviglia!
amaranta117 10 months ago
Hermoso!!!! me encanta!!!!!
aledemeza 10 months ago
EVVIVA GIOVANNI BATTISTA LULLI (who created the French opera, by the way).
GRAZIE compatriota!
skellez83 10 months ago 2
@skellez83 Absolutely! The French will never get over the Fact that two of the greatest people in their History were ethnically Italian.
Napoleone Buonaparte and Giovanni Battista Lulli!
rylege 7 months ago
La musique n'est pas une Put** de compétition, la Musique est universelle..
Anyway Music is not a F** competition! Music is Universal... Good music is, not what we got today...
If you want to fight go on a football stadium for fick peoples.
Loctambule 11 months ago
Je pense que nous avons pas à rougir face aux Allemands! Jean philippe Rameau, Marc antoine Charpentier, Jean baptiste Lully (italien de naissance mais naturalisé Français), Marin Marais, Claude Débussy, Etienne Nicolas Méhud, Maurice Ravel, Berlioz, Chevalier de Saint-Georges, François Joseph Gossec, François Devienne, Bizet, Saint-saëns, Massenet..........
bichotte69 11 months ago
Fuck that Bach Bitch. Lully is King
mamelucoderribado 11 months ago
The conductor is going to kill himself with the way he's handling that baton....oh wait, he did.
ffairlane57 1 year ago
Vive le Roi!
CharlesShawRules 1 year ago 2
Very noble music! I just love it so much!
EricTheRed03 1 year ago
Fermez les yeux .... et imaginez vous à cette époque...imaginez l'armée royale.... marchant, marchant contre les ennemis du Royaume de France....
bipbip28 1 year ago 4
This should be the French national Anthem
hugo26a 1 year ago 68
@hugo26a inspired from Turks... Thanks!
maggieozzy 11 months ago
@hugo26a may be if france hadnt do revolution, or "god save the king" ll be the anthem. Then england ll have find another anthem.
chrisbreizh29 11 months ago
@chrisbreizh29 Smiling politely, backing away slowly....
lichtbroeder 11 months ago
Different nations are evolving at different rates. The next leap in the evolution of humanity is to realize that we are all humans instead of been conditioned into believing that we are a certain culture,nation,social class,gender. At the end, we all die. That makes all equal. I am reading a book on the Medieval World. In 470,the strongest king of the Franks killed all the leader of the smaller tribes to unified his kindgom- this is the beginning of the French state and then nation.
Enrique6299 1 year ago
@Enrique6299 Except: no. It's _not_ simply "conditioning" (although social scientists adhering to Franz Boas' school of anthropological thought love this turn of phrase to explain away human differences -- in more than one sense of the word). The so-called "blank slate" of human nature is nowadays seen by most serious scientists as litte more than wishful thinking. Being wary of or hostile towards strangers is not simply some cultural construct; it's genetic hardwiring. Like it or lump it.
AboRasul 11 months ago
@AboRasul Yes, You are right. Since humans have all the animals instincts:survival,social,and sexual drives,they can act that way. Every group values are values for survival of the group. It is a trance that gets manipulated by religion,ideology,the idea of empire,state and nation. So,Dependending where you born,how you were raised that's how you would see the world if you don't question your family's values,society,education.
Enrique6299 11 months ago
Vive la France!
borzov70 1 year ago
tenorismo is a savage somebody who gets dominated by violence or is a savage somebody who dominates through violence.
cheesyrichardhead 1 year ago
@cheesyrichardhead Violence ? Is poverty violent? is lack of things violent ? Is the wrong color of skin violent ? Muslim extremists savages ? Anarchists Savages ? Communists savages ? socilists savages ?.
tenorismo 1 year ago
At 27 secounds is why the northeren europeans will always rule and domiate over the rest of the world. All else are savages.
tenorismo 1 year ago 4