Wild Bill Moore Rock And Roll.wmv

[repku]

D'oh!

Not OED, that refers to Oxford English Dictionary.. I meant Online Etymology Dictionary...

[repku]

So I just did some basic research and found this:

rock and roll

also rock 'n' roll, noun reference to a specific style of popular music is attested from 1954, from rock (v.2) + roll (v.). The verbal phrase had been a Black Eng. euphemism for "sexual intercourse," used in popular dance music lyrics and song titles since at least the 1934s.

-from OED

This amuses me greatly, since I am amused easily.

"I can have your money? What? But that's illegal..."

[josephnathanscott]

In any case, I think the smooth feel, fast tempo, _and_ big backbeat that Roy Brown's "Boogie At Midnight" and Joe Turner's "Jumpin' At The Jubilee" had in '49, and was normal in the '50s, I think the first record that had all that was Jimmy Preston's "Rock The Joint." More so than any '40s Wynonie or Wild Bill had it.

[jainsworr]

This is awesome 

[leesterg]

Trivia: Scatman Crothers the actor of Chico & The Man (a television show) performed the vocals.  Also, the great WB Moore played on Marvin Gaye's classic "What's Going On," album.

[josephnathanscott]

"Trivia: Scatman Crothers... performed the vocals." No Bill Moore did. If you listen to enough Bill singing and enough Scatman singing from this period it's pretty obvious. The idea that Scatman sang on this got started decades later based on a mistaken remark by a record company guy listening to it again in front of a researcher.

[OriellafSocram]

Reparem que no meio da música ele fala "you do the susie Q ...".

[dippercat]

1947 Rock and Roll by Wild Bill Moore

1948 Good Rockin' tonighty by Wynonie Harris

1949 The Fat Man by Fats Domino

1949 Rock the Joint by Jimmy Preston

1951 Rocket 88 by Jackie Brenston/Ike Turner

1951 Rocket 88 by Bill Haley and the Saddlemen

1952 Lawdy Miss Clawdy by Lloyd Price

So, why isn't Rock and Roll by Bill Moore THE FIRST rock and roll song?

It has ALL of the musical qualities that define rock and roll.

[sinarkrono]

@dippercat i agree with u that this is song could be among "rock and roll" songs, but i think that this one goes more on blues, mostly for rythm which is not so settled as the real "rock n roll" songs :P

[dippercat]

I am not a musicologist but I think most experts would classify Bascomb's "Rock and Roll" under the "jump blues" genre rather than rock and roll, as compared to Bill Moore's "Rock and Roll", which could be considered a true rock and roll song, the difference between the Moore version and Bascomb's is the gospel rhythm of rocking on the 2nd and 4th beat of the 4/4 measure in the Moore version.

[oramikleepunk]

@dippercat This is not different from the Rock n Roll music Alen freed played on his radio shows in the 50's,and at his shows.

[oramikleepunk]

@sinarkrono It's pre-Rock n roll before Alen freed renamed old music to sale to the mainstream world.

[hyzercreek]

@oramikleepunk Alan not Alen

[Andokool12]

@dippercat Because 1947 was Rock and Roll by Paul Bascomb, 1947 was Wild Bill.

[kittyjoker]

@dippercat compare this to Saturday Night Fish Fry by Louis Jordan which came out the same year. that's why.

[oramikleepunk]

@dippercat Your right.That Alen freed era of Rock n roll singers sounded more like jump-blues,and boogie woogie.Whenever you look and hear of those early Rock concerts,Posters, Rock movies and radio shows of Alen freed that is what I have noticed about that era of 49-55.

[josephnathanscott]

"So, why isn't Rock and Roll by Bill Moore THE FIRST rock and roll song?

It has ALL of the musical qualities that define rock and roll."

I don't have my Wild Bill Moore Vol. 1 on Blue Moon handy -- which had liner notes partly plagiarized from me, by the way -- but are you assuming Bill recorded "Rock and Roll" before he recorded "We're Gonna Rock"? I think "Rock And Roll" has a loping two-beat feel that doesn't fit in with early '50s rock and roll as well as "We're Gonna Rock" does.

[luisescalonharo]

ROCK AND ROLL