In one battle where a black regiment from the North was forced to fight, one Rebel wrote home that he felt sorry for the men as they were getting shot at from the front by the Rebels and shot in the back by the Yankees when Yankee units were retreating. Most of the North viewed the black man as the reason they were in this bloody battle and did not think highly of them.
The first photo is taken from a greater picture of UNION Negros. We have to take care for the accuracy of the evidence we give. There is enough legitimate evidence to support negro involvement in CS ranks to use falsified evidence. It only weakens our argument.
If forced to it, Why did a CS Negro in PENNSYLVANIA bring in Union prisoners their white guards got too drunk to watch?! Would you Believe Frederick Douglas? Union Soldiers? Black CS Veterans? Nah! What would THEY know about it?
Heard of the dirty dozen ? Hmm I can sit her and rot in shackles or go fight get fed better treated better (a little) and die a half step freeer, and maybe find a spot where i can run away from the cracker SOBs, If you think those colored folk was a happy in your gray regiment its just another sign of your indiffernce lack of empathy & out right stupidity
Well, if The Confederacy was such a hateful, racist organization whose sole purpose was to subjugate the black population, I can't help but wonder why all those black folks are celebrating their Confederate roots? Folks can decry this video all they like, but the only opinions I'm interested in are the ones of the men who appear in this video. If this is all so "racist", why are those black men out there showing their support to this day? Obviously THEY don't feel they were "subjugated".
nice neo confederate pr campaign propaganda. Blacks were considered property legally (dred scott decision). Many did as told or faced dire consequences yet many
While we are exploding myths,lets not create new ones. In an effort to cast a more positive image on the heritage of the Confederacy,we are seeing a tremendously disingenuous attempt to sanitize the horrifically evil treatment that was imposed upon the black race,nowhere more prevalent than in the Confederate states these "educational" productions seek to prop up. It teaches the young that "they weren't treated as badly as it's portrayed", to hide the fact that the race was considered LIVESTOCK.
There was over 1,000 blacks fighting in the 1st Louisiana Native Guard. Later this confederate regiment was reformed as a Union army by the same name. However out of the 1000+ blacks in the confederate regiment, only 107 enlisted into the Union regiment.
COLOREDS ARE STILL SLAVES !!!! WE JUST KEEP THEM IN THEIR GHETTO AND KILL THEMSELVES WITH DRUGS AND A.I.D.S. THEN THEY PERFORM FOR THE WHITE MAN IN SPORTS. OBAMA IS JUST A TOKEN NIGGER !!!!!! WALL STREET CONTROLLS THE MONKEY !!!!!!!
....Meanwhile, there is no question that blacks made up approximately 10% of the Union army, numbered well over 100,000 alone... a number dwarfed, still, by the FOUR MILLION SLAVES owned by the five million whites of the Southern states by 1860.
Historians and staff – notably Robert Krick – at Spotsylvania National Battlefield Park have sifted through about 100,000 soldiers’ records to see how many non-whites were represented. Non-whites could be blacks, Native Americans, and mulattoes. They found that only 20-30 non-whites were found out of 100,000 soldiers’ records, less than 1/300th of 1%. If that ratio was applied to the 750,000 – 900,000 CSA serving, then at best, between 250-300 black soldiers may have served in the CSA Army.
@pmack169 you say we remain poor by choice,but people in the north pay twice as much for a house with half the land.we might make less but we also pay less.so dont try to make the south look dumb.im sure you're a demacrat because of your poor labor laws statement, but here in the south we dont need the government to hold our hands. also i bill clinton sighned this bill called no child left behind ,or the dumbing down of america so they teach everyone the same.
The photo of the "Free" black Confederates is really of Blacks in the Union Army, and it was taken probably in 1864, NOT in 61. Historians point out that the photo was later manipulated to include the subtitle "!st Louisina Native Guard 1861." -- In other words, it is based on a real photo, BUT that it has been altered to make it look like these black soldiers were Confederate soldiers. They were, in fact, soldiers for the Union.
@Inari1987 Another detail you need to know...the Confederacy continually fought against the idea of even allowing blacks in it's army. It was not until March 1865 when Lee needed more men desperately that the govt finally gave in...but by the time the new black regiment would have been ready to fight, the war was over... So please, do not propogate this kind of obvious lie in your videos.. I ask you as a historian.
This is bullc..p. In the southern states lived 9 mln people of which 4 mln were black slaves. Now only 25% of southern people owned slaves. The other 75% were inluenced by this aristocrats and died not for the freedom but for interests of the rich. See how were conducted the drafts in the south.In the army of the Union have served 100.000 black soldier while all the requests of Robert E. Lee to enlist black soldier were declined
@calinel84 So true. I smelled BS as soon as I saw the picture, and I did some quick research. I'm a history major, so I knew that the south resisted the thought of letting blacks in it's army until March 1865. -- One Confederate said that if blacks could be good soldiers, then their theory of white supremacy was wrong..So they had a vested interest in not allowing African-Americans to fight even if they wanted to..which not many did.
@Inari1987 the officer in charge of the gun battery that started the war at fort sumpter was commanded by a black officer. guess history (forgot) that fact.
@307blackhorse What is your source for that? The Union did not even let ANY black soldiers in the army until 1863, and the Confederates in March 1864. So what source do you have that says those who started the was were commanded by a black officer?
@307blackhorse "the officer in charge of the gun battery that started the war at fort sumpter was commanded by a black officer. guess history (forgot) that fact."
Guess you forgot his name. What was it?
Because the fact is, there WERE no black officers in the United States army in 1861. So unless the CSA just grabbed some guy off the street and commissioned him, there would have been no blacks with command experience to have filled that role in 1861.
@Inari1987 The man you're referring to was General Howell Cobb, who opposed the idea of arming blacks even as the CSA lay dying in March, 1865: "You cannot make soldiers of slaves, or slaves of soldiers. The day you make a soldier of them is the beginning of the end of the Revolution. And if slaves seem good soldiers, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong."
CSA revisionists need to ask: why would a black man fight to keep his children in chains? What Jew would fight for the Nuremberg Laws?
@PatchesRips They will say "It was for states rights." Or "It was taxes and tarrifs." If that is the case, why did the Ordinances of Secession make more of of a point to complain about the North's attitude about slavery, and why are taxes not even mentioned in the ordinances? If they do not list it as a reason for secession in the original documents, then it was likely not a reason. Jefferson Davis said long after the war slavery was just incidental...BUT during the war his words were different
as I had studied the war between the states, and also being a "Civil" war reenactor, the truth was that, slavery was becoming obsolete due to the industrial revolution, second slaves were considered a part of the family unit in most social circles and third, slaves fought along their owners during the war then granted rights as free men after a period of service and given land to own and farm also, a lot of native americans fought in the civil war too.
@ers9162011 Slavery was not becoming obsolete. Slavery was the reason for secession, the "cornerstone" of your entire nation, and explicitly protected by the confederate constitution until the end of time. Even when your loss was at hand, you proclaimed "We Want No Confederacy Without Slavery." That's why you support the confederacy, remember?
Thank You. So many do not know the truth. We have been in a police state since 1865. African americans and whites were made wards of the state. No more rights. Its all propaganda. Do your research
@pmack169 Please! Whole world knows yankee M.O. is 2 cause havoc, pretend it "just happens," then use it to "impose order." Exactly what many citizens complain about today. Any pretense for a petty power grab, a new "executive order" to take away rights. Same with this joke about "subsidizing"---you burned it to the ground, stole land, passed land grab acts, etc. THEN when you spend up what you steal, say you are "subsidizing" -- Pychopath Nation, lol! Yankees only steal.
@pmack169 no disagreements here. though I would qualify that remark that both Europe AND America have conducted genocides. The common theme, large powerful govn't are oppressive and tyranical.
@pmack169 yea but we need to get closer to a USA of 1790 than where we are today. We have crony capitalism..set up by Globalist bankers who run both parties and the federal reserve. these foreign nationals control EVERYTHING.We need to give the people the power of the purse back by eliminating the federal reserve system. Will that fix everything?No, but its a start to abolish this globalist system where ON RECORD they admit to destroying the USA by design by deindustrialization (for1 world GOVT)
@pmack169 a real man?? you mean those men in blue who came to the south and destroyed property, raped women, carried out war crimes?? Come on man.. as we discussed earlier.. be REALISTIC here. Neither side was good by any means. There were soo many more rapes, and war crimes carried out by federal troops than vice verca.. now the only legit. comeback to that would be that 95% of the war was IN THE SOUTH so that means more crimes will happen there (it is true in all wars there are war crimes)
@pmack169 these kind of racist loons here that not every1 who does NOT think the CSA was the most evil nation ever is some racist douchebag like this guy. As you can see many/most are but there are a few true 21st century southern realists who see all the errors of the CSA and point it out.. yet also point out that the north wasnt a "liberating army" of angels.I hope u wouldnt see me as the same as this stronghorse guy, I just want the USA of 1790 back(talking role of govt not slavery obviously)
@23mbtx23 If south had said "we will trade slavery for your yankee sweat shop wage slavery, or better actually pay these guys more of a salary and better food than they are shown to get in the 1865 census--- the North would still have militarily subjugated them. South has no slaves now, but cannot secede, lol. The welfare-warfare-statist-militarist-empire with its communist underwritten think-tanked media and education fights many nations now--- it's claim to fame seems war, generally.
@pmack169 so dumb ass you wanted this so here it is so you dumb ass nigger that is way to educated for his own good. you are the reason why they didn't want you educated. to all you black out there that reads this i'm sorry for saying the n word, but this so called idiot just won't shut up. he just showing how big a idiot he is and again i'm sorry
@pmack169 But its not Obama or bush that are to blame.. they are just puppets.. frontmen.. salesmen for the elite's agenda. Tahts why there "continuity of agenda" and both parties are completely bought and payed for.. as is the media. People really think these republican candidates are different than obama.. romney wrote obama care, cain is a fed reserve head.. the same federal reserve that is holds true power in this country and is destroying America by design to bring 1 world gov't
@pmack169 you know history .. are your currently politically awake? have you freed yourself from the fake right VS left paradigm in this country that the elite use to divide the people? with obama running against Bush and all of Bush's war crimes, etc. yet he gets into office and just perpetuates EVERYTHING bush did. (obama said hed stop patriot act, shut down gitmo, outa iraq, never use signing statements, not have wall street lobbyist,etc) point by point he failed to bring change
@pmack169 neitehr one of us R discussing the "free black myth" in this video.your oversimplifying things with this south is evil north is angels. south are racists & northerners R picking up their weapons 2 go free the slaves. If U really think thata majority of the federal soldiers were there to free slaves; your wrong.And the enlisted soldier in the idnian wars does what hes ordered by the agenda and the brass which were northern admins that DID in fact preside over the eradication of Indiands
@pmack169 agreed tarriffs are what made the USA great and was needed to grow the strength of the country. The idea that tarrifs are bad or only sought by northerners isa total lie any "bubba from alabama" that says that is not educated. without tarrifs american industry and economy would have been paralyzed. This is where the south seeking indepdence comes into play tho, the want and desire to set their own economic policies and not have the northern majority in the US house determine it 4 them
@pmack169 In addition to over simplifying it. you are not being fair minded and rational about the debate. Be realistic and objective as I am. I am not some good ole boy saying slavery isnt an issue in any way. Im saying control is the biggest issue (to decide slavery and ALL other issues) The south and north were verry different back then in many ways. But be realistic and dont portray the north as angels. They were in charge and administered the eradication of Indians from the continent.
@pmack169 Im being realistic saying the EXPANSIOn of SLAVERY is the big issue. If keeping slavery legal in the cotton states was the issue than the corwin amendment would have passed and slavery woulda stayed legal there. But the south wanted control to decide issues for themselves.. the biggest issue there is slavery. but its not ONLY slavery, its the desire to have control over ALL issues. I am agreeing saying slavery is the issue, but ur oversimplifying it
@pmack169 ive never debated this "free black volunteer" issue.. ima realist not some neoconfederate.. neoCon republican like all the good ole boys here that say slavery has 0 to do with it & the south is some UTOPIAN VALHALLA. Im simply saying theres more than one cause. Its not as simple as one side wanting to keep slaves and one side wanting to liberate blacks. AS the war continued, freeing slaves became more and more the big issue. Crittendon resolution being repealed is evidence to that
@pmack169 no sir.. does not make the point moot. The leader of those US Armys... were not southerners.. im talking about at the very top.. the ones conducting those wars... those were republican administrations.. republican appointed secretary of war... .. are you saying that southerners are the cause of the indian wars too?? that the defeated CSA said.. "well were back in the USA now.. next best thing.. lets kill some indians" thats soo not true and i know your too smart to believe that
@pmack169 no he unstands no one owe him any thing, not like you.as for raceist you are one of the most raceist persons. worst than any white out there. if i was a raceist i be calling you the N. word, but no i have more respect for the black then that. so don't go making me something a'm not
@pmack169 and you still call southerners racists and northerners angels when.. the northern led republican administrations after the civil war carried out THE LARGEST RACE WAR ON THIS CONTINENT. The systematic killing of all native americans.. men, women, and children all hunted down and killed. If you think the Indian wars were good or okay in anyway and not by definition racist then your being a hypocrite. Ive always said slavery and race is a huge issue with the ACW.. just not the only one.
@pmack169 besides the south treated the blacks better than the north did. the north didn't want the black in the north to start with. and as for being a old angry racist i'm not the one that emailed you. you email me and started it, i hadn't been on here for 4 months. so since this is all over your head, so did you get to explain the southern way to you, so i'm out of this out of this.so don't reply .no one car tell your dumb Yankee ass nothing so cause trouble with some one else.
@pmack169 as for being racist i don't think so. i think don't all black are bad just like i don't think all whites are good . you Yankee Dumb asses didn't give the south nothing for 10 yrs. after the war. northern carpetbagger and bankers took what they wanted. and that is why the kkk was born so take your idiot ideals some where else and leave me alone.
@pmack169 you haven't kick no ones ass you are the one that can't read, 2 the way you talk tells me you think that.3 i can't care less if you are rich. you said it i didn't say you was a dumbass, i said you was a yankee idiot. all you doing is causing trouble, you don't care, all you do is what the naacp want you to know and say that why you don't like Mr. egderton. he actually know the real truth. for that reason he's not president of the naacp any longer cause he found the truth
@pmack169 Lincoln had an amendment 2 legalize slavery BEFORE HIS ELECTION? you have completely destroyed your credibility. Lincoln supported an amendment about slavery before his election alright.... the CORWIN AMENDMENT. which would have made slavery legal in the south and illegal in the north and in any new states/territories. But slavery would have been enshrined in the Constitution until repealed by 3/4 of the states which is unattainable till the 1920s.
@pmack169 It was the highly centralized USA government of the "re-union-ed" post civil war USA that carried out the biggest race war on this continents history (Indian wars). Why are you so quick to call the south racist when the northern led republicans decided to carry out the racist wars against the native americans throughout the late 19th century? I know all whites north/south are racist by 21st century standards but the true history of the USA is shameful
@pmack169 Al Qaeda is CIA/PENTAGON run. Thats why Al Qaeda members are dining at the pentagon the week before 9/11.The CSA shouldnt have fired on sumter, but if they hadnt & the north fired the 1st shot.. you wouldnt think the CSA was in the right there either. The victor of each war writes the history. All the CSA wanted was to be left alone, the CSA sent a peace party to lincoln. Lincoln wouldnt listen. CSA paid over 85% of the taxes, USA wouldnt let them leave peacefully.
@pmack169 no the crittendon resolution means everything. it means the northern states all officially stated that the war WAS NOT FOUGHT OVER SLAVERY. It was to REJOIN the UNION. now the reasons for secession are more than JUST slavery. Obviously slavery has something to dow tiuh it but there are as many as TEN reasons for the war. There are no confederate regimental flags or songs about "keep the slaves".. but its about taxation w/out reprentation and a difference in beliefs on MULTIPLE ISSUES
@pmack169 well if the southern states wanted to keep slavery legal they would have taken the deal Lincoln promised that if they rejoined.. lincoln guaranteed he would pass the corwin amendment. So lincoln obviously is not some abolitionist like you may seem to believe. If all the south wanted was to keep slavery legal, they woulda taken the deal & slavery woulda been constitutionally legal in the south and illegal elsewhere until repealed which takes 3/4 so it wouldnt have been till 1920s
@pmack169 ok? that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Im talking about the fact that white northern men thought of colored people the same way. and that the war was not 100% about slavery. Thats why there are things like the crittendon resolution, thats why theres a huge ABOLITIONIST IN MASS named LYSANDER SPOONER who supported THE CSA! Because it was known that slavery way AN issue but not THE ONLY ISSUE.
@pmack169 not all northern states, but many northern states and hundreds more city laws that banned blacks from moving, buying real estate etc... if u claim that the entire north were abolitionists equal rights activists and the entire south were all slave holders and racists you're wrong. Every war in human history had more than one cause.. civil war included. Even the northern states said the war wasnt about slavery in 61! LOOK UP THE CRITTENDON RESOLUTION!
@pmack169 not all northern states, but many northern states and hundreds more city laws that banned blacks from moving, buying real estate etc... if u claim that the entire north were abolitionists equal rights activists and the entire south were all slave holders and racists you're wrong. Every war in human history had more than one cause.. civil war included. Even the northern states said the war wasnt about slavery in 61! LOOK UP THE CRITTENDON RESOLUTION!
@pmack169 you know you are just like some other 17 yr. old idiot that was on here 4 months ago that all he want to do was cause trouble just like you. you just don't get it do you, there is two sides to every thing.the only side you want to take is yours
@pmack just like i said a union idiot that can't read, idiot i told you (CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR). No one can tell you anything!!! you must be a dog you can't learn new thing? I'm all most 60 and still can learn new thing. I see now why, just by what you told rebel2276 you are black, so you think everyone owe you something. well dude i don't owe you anything, and i'm not racist i think H.G. Edgerton is one of the greatest person alive
@pmack169 i told you to read {cause of the civil war} and if you can't read may be you can get some one to read it to. and the north didn't trade half as much that the south did, the south shipped cotton and tobacco to Europe. and if you want to know what tariffs READ {CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR} it tell you the reason why it didn't happen in just a year or two it was for more then 30 years. so if you don't read it i guess you just won't know
@pmack169 DURING OUR WAR OF 1861, ex-slave Frederick Douglass observed, "There are at the present moment, many colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down ... and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government."
Let me know if you need more sources, but I predict you won't believe Frederick Douglass or anyone or anything.
@pmack169 No, I did not miss any point. You are using "Hindsight", In March 1865, nobody knew that Petersburg would fall on April 2nd. Ed Bearss who is the top historian, told Brian Pohanka and myself 9-10 years ago, the US. Government covered up the role of the Confederate Negro. There are thousands of reports from Union soldiers and officers that they fought against Confederate Negros. Odd, many years and decades after the war, Africans are in Confederate reunion pictures. That is strange.
@rebel2276 Did you receive the book I mailed you? I heard you found Confederate cavalry in the morning at Gettysburg July 1st??? I am very interested in what you found. I emailed you and no response, I figured you be on this site.
@BGThomasHillhouse Hello Tom, yes I got the book and finished it before going down to Khost, been very busy down there. We are trying to open a old Russian supply road. I am NOT going to answer my emails, all 278 of them. Just leave a message on here.
I will tell you all about the Confederate Cavalry, sources, etc on the early morning July 1st. I am utterly exhausted, usually only Sunday I sleep, but we got in late, I will be passed out all day/night. Good news, Laura is flying out here :D
@pmack169 Jefferson Davis mentions free trade as the main cause in his address. The reason the entire North and West voted for Lincoln was because the Tariff increases benefited them. Anywhere that had industry would have benefited from the creation of American monopolies through the use of the Tariff. Slavery had nothing to do with the war. The war was about secession. The Federal Government could have just bought all the slaves and released them like the UK did. The Feds use blacks even today.
The comment section here is nothing more than a neo-confederate circle-jerk. Your ignorance and intentional disinformation is entertaining, but nothing more. The fact that you so willfully lie to yourselves is telling. Keep on jerking each other off.
@pmack169 Had the war lasted another Six months, Petersburg/Richmond, we would have read of a a Negro division. Now colored soldiers were paid a $100 bounty, but Africans joined because they had little choice, starve or get paid and fight. So the old time myth, that the South did not raise one single African company has been long debunked. The US. Government did a great job covering it all up for a long time.
@pmack169 just like i said a union idiot that thinks he know something that know nothing whites and blacks in the confederate army fought together in one unit not a unit of there own like the union did them
The Confederate states of America was an underground government 5 years before the civil war.We had them dam Yankees fooled,Five years before the civil war many southern home and land owners was being foreclosed on by the Northern Jewish bankers.
The question of slavery, honestly, isn't a factor. The South was on it's way to abolishing slavery before the war started. Unfortunately there were those, a minority, who beleived that slavery was right and that blacks were inferior. For the most part Southerners, while they did view slaves as property, also saw them as people with beliefs and they respected that. Black soldiers and the majority of blacks in the South were actually much better treated in the South then they were in the North.
@pmack169 The "First Native Guards" offered their services to the Confederacy first. They were freemen that owned slaves themselves. The Confederacy applauded their efforts to join, but did not take them serious. In early 1863, they then joined the Union Army in New Orleans. In the city of New Orleans there were about "10,000" free blacks. Of that number "2,300" owned slaves themselves.
So that's where the uncle ruckus character comes from..I bet if anyone were to ask those black confederates if they'd like to return to state of slavery like their ancestors,I'm sure they'd say,"fuck you honkies!! LOL
It's cause if you can show there were some Black Confederates it takes a lot of wind out of their attack . They have always known there were ones but don't want anyone else to know. Ruins the ceral box history they want everyone to eat .
It's cause if you can show there were some Black Confederates it takes a lot of wind out of their attack . They have always known there were ones but don't want anyone else to know. Ruins the ceral box history they want everyone to eat .
what units in which of the Confederate armies were Negro? List them. the Lousiana Negro Guard was formed after Union gunboats took New Orleans, so they were fighting for the North.
What law of the Confederacy legalized the use of black men as soldiers? When was it passed?
If blacks were so pro-South as to rise up in great numbers to defend the Confederacy, why did Nathan Bedford Forrest found the KKK and lynch blacks during the Reconstruction?
@SupernalOne For your first question, "Major Henry C. Scott's battalion had one entire company of Negro soldiers. They fought on March 11th, 1865 at Petersburg, Virginia.
"Scott's battalion and a portion of the Negro company were transferred to Major Jackson Chambliss's Negro Battalion." "His command, two companies was organized under the act of Congress, March 5th, 1865, and was part of the Negro brigade being raised by Major Pegram and Major Turner.
@SupernalOne All that information was destroyed by the Confederate staff.However, the Confederate allies the french have the true history of the Confederate state of America.
@crossboy56 it wasn't the south that destroyed all the information it was Sherman that burned and destroyed things in the south, if you are going to say things get it right, it was the union that done the destroyed
And what do you know, & how do you know it? Were you there? Do you trust the memoirs of Confederate officers & soldiers, the captured Confederate orders & documents? On what basis do you say "I doubt it"? Sure, the historical record says that the issue was put in terms of liberty vs. tyranny, the Constitution vs. State's Rights -- & there were economic factors, too: slaves didn't vote, but immigrants did. But imagine no slavery in America - would there have been a war?
@SupernalOne i do have to say i'm sorry about coming on hard on you. but i don't think it is right for a human to own a human be it black, yellow, red or white. the poor people of the south didn't fright just to make the rich richer. the poor people didn't how the money to buy slaves, but the high taxes the north put on them was taking them down. i'm part Cherokee and rich Cherokee did own slaves i not proud of that part of the Cherokee but very proud of being Cherokee
Respond to this video... Supernalone my people came from Tennessee and didn't own slaves and they moved to Missouri around the early 1850's. my great,great grandfather was in the union in 1861 but Missouri was still a southern state an there secession did not have the word slave in it. as you know all families have their own history and that is how history is made were it true are not. but some of the real history of the south was burned when the union came through the south
@SupernalOne let's just say if the north had slaves and which they did have all though the war, cause the north didn't outlaw slavery in the north until 1868, so yes there would have been a war,cause the north high taxes was cutting the throats of the small land owner and cutting into the rich's profits so yes my friend their would have. i don't know of Bruce Cattons work but i do know of Shelby Footes work and he's good but you can't go on family history it's a good start not all of is true
@SupernalOne just like not all the south history is true and not all the north history is true the only way to know is read the old news papers from the times to know but there is not too many of them around sense the union burned the south to the ground. like i said earlier i'm sorry about coming down hard on you
thanks, no problem - US history is full of irony, tragedy, heroism, injustice & high principle - certainly broadens the mind to look into it - well, cheers, stronghorse1000, see you at some battle reenactment sometime -
This is just another attempt to make the confederacy look good. Even if some blacks did fight it doesnt give credit to the confederacy for the confederacy held blacks as inferior. I highly doubt any of those blacks willingly fought on the side of confederates or even truly knew what position they fighting for. Just like the arabs and blacks that fought on the same side as the NAZIS during WW2. It does mean that the nazis had evil intentions.
@darthroden Not nearly as pathetic as the lynchings by the KKK to scare the blacks away from the polls during Reconstruction, not to mention the Jim Crow laws that lasted about 100 years after the end of the war. Why were "black men who served their homeland" treated that way? Because white Southerners didn't view them as equals and didn't want them to have any power. That's part of the reason they weren't put into the CS army as combat soldiers until the war was practically over.
@TheCaliCapitalist You're exactly right--they didn't serve very willingly. Blacks were finally officially accepted as Confederate soldiers a few weeks before Appomattox. To demonstrate the great trust they had in their sable arm, all 150 or so of these black recruits were housed in Richmond's prison yards and were officered by Provost Guards (MPs) and prison wardens!
@zombie2wo right you are, the north started taxing the south because they done more business with England and other Countries than the north did and the north only had iron works to sell. so the north became like England did during the revolutionary war
When you look at the whole picture of the civil war with an opened mind, it all comes down to the power's ruling the country both north and south. What could the gain from a war! I don't feel the north or the south cared anything at all about the African Americans whom they kidnapped from their home lands. It was all a matter of profit. Now one spect of human feeling here. Has it changed? No! When a country states that it is a free nation with justice for all, and on the other hand that country
@klaatoons the southern people did not kidnapped any African from there home land. it was other African warriors that kidnapped other Africans in wars and raids and sold them to the slaves ships
Do you realize that the first picture you show is actually a well known fake. It is actually a photo of Union soldiers. Their commander is standing at the left but has been cropped out. They have on Union uniforms with US belt buckles. Southern apologists are like preachers - have no concept of what honesty and truth means.
@crossboy56 You are as full of shit as this video is and the ahistorical (that means not historical) bull you are spreading. The only people you fool are the other idiots with their confederate heads up their confederate asses.
the question of the morality fo slavery was not questioned even in the south in the 1850s and 60's the question was what to do with the slaves ONCE they were freed,"when someone looks at this issue they MUST look at it as a person in 1850s america would NOT as a person in 2011 america would"it was a logistics nightmare to have 3 million freed blacks in america, considering ALL NORTHERN STATES HAD STATE LAWS FORBIDDING ANY PEOPLE OF COLOR FROM ENTERING THE STATE! PRETTY RACIST STUFF 4RM THE NORTH
@23mbtx23 "the question of the morality of slavery..." makes sense, lets maintain slavery since we dont know what to do with them.
"all northhern states had laws forbidding..." Yes which is why slaves escaped to the North to gain freedom. Makes sense that EVERY SINGLE ANTI SLAVERY NORTHERN STATE would have such laws. Where are those laws by the way? I'd love to see a primary source document.
@kemoblue4u look up the indiana/illinois/oregon constitutions, once the slaves did escape north what do u think happened.. all northern whites embraced them and loved them and gave them property rights,etc? if u think that.. your delusional, northern whites excluding abolitionists (which were a minority around 5%) believed all blacks should be deported back to africa . STOP thinking the false reality that one side is good one side is bad. Lincoln supported the crowin ammendemnt LOOK THAT UP
@23mbtx23 Nice, "all northern states" yet you only provide 3? Id like to know what section, these constitutions encompass all of things and frankly im not seeing anything in the indiana consttution that supports your statement.. No, i never said that, i know racism was rampant in the north but NOTHING compared to the south. If what you say is true then how can you explain the great migration period post slavery? millions of blacks moving north? explain and source please.
@kemoblue4u i only have 500 characters and I gave you the documents(these are just 3 examples) the 1851indiana state constitution (dont look up the current one obviously the clause not allowing blacks into the state was removed.. use common sense). facts are there are hundreds of state/ city/county laws&ordinances permitting any FREE blacks from owning property/moving to the state. Lincoln was as racist as they come, to his dying day he wanted all blacks erradicated from the continent & deported
@kemoblue4u indiana's specific case is like msot laws i refer to.. theyre called exclusion laws and it was popular amongst all white people of the time to maintain racial purity.. im not saying northvs south 1 is right and 1 is wrong... im showing how northerners were just as intolerant. 1 reason why are these laws i speak of which is DE FACTO SEGREGATION ! lincoln wanted to make slavery 4ever legal in his 1st inaugral address and in the same speech said he would bring bloodshed to collect taxes
@23mbtx23 Certainly Auburn NY provided help to escaped slaves before and during the war, and gave houses to Harriet Tubman and others after the war. My grandmother used to sit on Harriet Tubman's knee.
@23mbtx23 The North wasn't racist they wanted to maintain stability. Racism isn't real only conflicts and supremacy complexes. Stability is what you are explaining. The south was a stable, productive, happy area. The only way to free the slaves and save everyone including the slaves wellbeing was to (like the North) free them slowly over a period of time phasing the institution out. It was technically happening already. 150,000 blacks in the south were free and many owned slaves in 1860.
@Luigi84289 their were a lot of northerns that owned slaves in 1860's,up to that war the free blacks owned blacks and the Cherokee owned blacks and the Creek owned blacks and the Choctaw owned blacks that was the way of life for 200 years from the year 1620
@Luigi84289 I am a black southern,and my forefathers fought on the Confederate side in the civil war as free men.They were sharecroppers the same as a land contract..The Confederate congress voted to free any slaves and their families if the fought for the CSA.This happen four years before the war.There was black land owners in America before Columbus came to America
@crossboy56 Do you have documents supporting those facts?
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There were freemen who fought on the side of the Confederates, there was no doubt, but they did not do so on their own free will. Sharecropping was NOT the same as owning land and sharecroppers were generally treated terribly.
@23mbtx23 That's not true. About half of the Northern states had black codes forbidding blacks to live there, but the rest, like Pennsylvania, welcomed them. Pennsylvania had whole communities of blacks, with their own schools and churches.
@galoon Of course, the idea that the federal troops were all these 'liberators" and were all volunteering to help with the "plight of colored people" is literally 180 degrees the opposite of reality. Look at the crittendon-johnson resolution passed by congress 150 years ago TODAY! The congress declared that the war was to be fought to bring the union back together and NOT to interfere with slavery. So the US House of Reps (made of that time of ONLY UNIONIST States) said slavery is not the issue
@23mbtx23 Sure, by our standards, it would be pretty rare to find any Americans in the 1800s who weren't racist. Freeing the slaves wasn't a Northern objective at the war's start--it didn't become a war aim until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. No reputable historian believes that men volunteered for the Union Army specifically to free the slaves. But war changes things, and one of the casualties of the Civil War was slavery--wherever the Union armies marched, it went out of existence.
@galoon agreed. the slavery issue became an issue only after the emancipation procolmation because lincoln being the brilliant politician he was knew that he needed the moral high ground and more than just "save the union" line to keep the war going.. (popularity of the war was fading very quickly). As i have always stated.. the cause of the war was over a myriad of issues .. perhaps up to 10 different reasons in fact.. not just 1. Expansion of slavery being a big one along with other things
@23mbtx23 Exactly. This wasn't a very popular war on either side, particularly in the North, where the Army of the Potomac was making little headway in the East. I agree on the Emancipation Proclamation--Lincoln also had a diplomatic reason for enacting it--to prevent Britain and France from intervening on behalf of the South. There were indeed plenty of issues that caused hostility between North and South--tariffs and conflicting ideas for routes for the transcontinental railroad among them.
@intrepeco The only reason your messages get deleted is because they are redundant. I allow you to have your opinion but it is just that. Hate is what must be discarded by everyone of every side. We're more developed than that.
@intrepeco Because you are a hater. Hate is the problem. Whether from me or anybody it is wrong. You people don't seem to understand that all you are doing by getting on these kinds of videos and telling people to be ashamed of their heritage, what makes them who they are is wrong. I could pick out all the problems with the rest of America before and after the war and it wouldn't negate the right of you or anyone else to be proud of who they are and embrace their heritage.
@intrepeco Look I don't care what you type man. What makes you think your opinion matters to me in the least? What am I supposed to do say that you are right and just let people like you run my life? I can't believe you can't see that you are the child here. Your opinion is just that and not divine. You've posted enough on my video. Everything else you type troll will be deleted. Keep posting I enjoy deleting your posts. You're not gonna hose up my comments section.
@intrepeco I'm tougher than any fool who has emotional rants on a message board will ever be. I've been shot at, had a gun pointed at my face, fought a man who could bench 415 and had a knife pulled on me. Grow the fuck up. I was like you when I was immature sheltered and had no grasp on reality. You're messaging a 6 foot tall 210 lb electrical technician.
@intrepeco Yes you were emotional. Accept it like a man. You are crazy. You erect barriers and hate people whom you see as fitting a certain mold. Don't post on this video again. Your prior comments are enough. When you want to grow up and realize we are all people and some do not consist of one emotion you may post on this again.
@TheRapper10000 Some of the masters were black. There were free black citizens in the south. The South was right by Walter D Kennedy to name just one book reveals the truth. Slavery was not black oppression. It was a system. A system that was seeing the end of it's days.
@Luigi84289 so whites bolstering the cause of slavery as a means to control race mixing wasn't oppressive? The kidnapping of free blacks and sending them South to be slaves wasn't about oppression. You can't have an entire system based on slavery by race and have it not be about oppression.
@TigerRifle1 No whites bolstered the cause of slavery. The south was trying to restore the Constitution. The states have to be sovereign for the Constitution to have any teeth. Everyone is a slave to washington now. There can't be any constiutionally ratified amendments because the states have to have equal force to Washington to give a legit say. Washington has total power and can coerce any state to ratify any law and due to that every state government is friendly towards DC as well.
You know what's funny; all the descendents of the slaves in America have it much better than those who were left in Africa. Another fact, the African tribe that won the battle sold thier prisoners into slavery. It was something world wide.
@TigerRifle1 They were already slaves. Whites owned the land. They would have remained slaves had they remained in Africa under the same conditions slaves are held their today. America was founded by English rebels. The colonies were part of England which is white. The colonies were nothing more than an expanse of the English nation due to overcrowding and persecution. Everything about them was English, other European influences and all. Stealing African people outright would have lead to war.
@TigerRifle1 People that hold your position don't seem to think Black people are beneath everyone else. They had their own nations, armies, money etc. Everything that Europeans had. When one tribe would conquer another they would take the conquered lots of times as slaves, captives of war. This is how Africans got to America. The African Kings would bring their nations slaves to the coasts and Europeans would buy them for molasses or whatever else they needed. Y'know New England triangle trade.
@Luigi84289 Thats utter ignorance; Gun touting bands were responsible mainly for slave capture which also caused a lot of famine as pple stayed away from farms Your history teacher did a good job lying to you and making you a high grade bigot. Despite participation by some Jews (bankers who financed Hitler and Allies) against their own pple during NAZI germany Jews obtained compensation and world control while Africans get all the blame over slavery. Amazing!
@intrepeco If you have to attack my character you are a loser just trying to boost his own ego. Learn to focus on arguments. My argument has been put forth by people of every race. You can throw bigot around all you want like a 2 year old but it doesn't solve anything. Marginalizing and pushing people away you don't like is bigoted. You would label me that and feel the same way towards me.
@Luigi84289 Unfortunately you dont have any argument other than bigotted make-belief that Africans were sole responsible for slavery in order to run away from responsibility/compensation of Africans coz are black and are supposed to be savage! Stupid uninformed personality that absorbs bullshit and spews contempt on web is assassinates itself ALL PEOPLES WERE GUILTY? is Africa's character assassination to rationalize injustices still being done. If ignorant about how Africans lived .. ask
@intrepeco Get emotional as you want. You have no concept of reality. I'm leaving all that here so everyone can see how insane people like you are. Chill the fuck out. What you have typed is what is bigoted and hateful. I have said nothing of the like. You are just an intolerant loser like I said.
@TigerRifle1 As I stated before when tribes in Africa fought, the victor would sell thier captives into slavery. All peoples were guilty of this and slavery still exsist today in Africa.
The war was about money - taking the south's money - period. That money came from slave intensive industries (enjoyed by us northerners). The south left because they did not want to and could not pay. In order to keep folks from seeing the power grab the North talks about slavery. Lincoln and friends corrupting the powers of the executive branch happened... and taught future leaders the constitution does not matter if no one yelps.
"I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks,
and his children seize the musket and fight our battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence, and that, or extermination."--Jefferson Davis
i don't know much about the Confederate South, but i do know that modern history has tried to group all black amer. as african slaves. they would like us to believe that the 'underground railroad' was the reason most blacks left the south and not the industrial revolution. much black history is being changed and lied about.
Ur mind is so twisted, Again U hypocritically defend Evil, a Genocidal Union & a White Suprimistic Lincoln who attempted to Enshrine slavery forever. U must learn, Slavery is wrong. Yes, even if the North is doing it. Learn from MLK, how he despised that slavery ended last in New Jersey not the South, how New Jersey even REJECTED the 13th Amendment in 1865. while other states ratified it, Not to mention that Rhode Island con't long after the war as the slavetrade capital of the world.
In one battle where a black regiment from the North was forced to fight, one Rebel wrote home that he felt sorry for the men as they were getting shot at from the front by the Rebels and shot in the back by the Yankees when Yankee units were retreating. Most of the North viewed the black man as the reason they were in this bloody battle and did not think highly of them.
MattyMcCritic 3 days ago
The first photo is taken from a greater picture of UNION Negros. We have to take care for the accuracy of the evidence we give. There is enough legitimate evidence to support negro involvement in CS ranks to use falsified evidence. It only weakens our argument.
If forced to it, Why did a CS Negro in PENNSYLVANIA bring in Union prisoners their white guards got too drunk to watch?! Would you Believe Frederick Douglas? Union Soldiers? Black CS Veterans? Nah! What would THEY know about it?
cornfedtuber 6 days ago
Heard of the dirty dozen ? Hmm I can sit her and rot in shackles or go fight get fed better treated better (a little) and die a half step freeer, and maybe find a spot where i can run away from the cracker SOBs, If you think those colored folk was a happy in your gray regiment its just another sign of your indiffernce lack of empathy & out right stupidity
guitargold77 1 week ago
Everything in this video? Bullshit. Nice try, bro.
Nameinprogression 2 weeks ago
Well, if The Confederacy was such a hateful, racist organization whose sole purpose was to subjugate the black population, I can't help but wonder why all those black folks are celebrating their Confederate roots? Folks can decry this video all they like, but the only opinions I'm interested in are the ones of the men who appear in this video. If this is all so "racist", why are those black men out there showing their support to this day? Obviously THEY don't feel they were "subjugated".
JakobHayden 3 months ago
nice neo confederate pr campaign propaganda. Blacks were considered property legally (dred scott decision). Many did as told or faced dire consequences yet many
longdongnegro11 3 months ago
The CSA only authorized the use of black troops a few weeks before surrender as a last ditch attempt to gather soldiers.
This video is just a bunch of photos of bodyservants and H.K Edgerton.
LongHairedLoser 3 months ago
While we are exploding myths,lets not create new ones. In an effort to cast a more positive image on the heritage of the Confederacy,we are seeing a tremendously disingenuous attempt to sanitize the horrifically evil treatment that was imposed upon the black race,nowhere more prevalent than in the Confederate states these "educational" productions seek to prop up. It teaches the young that "they weren't treated as badly as it's portrayed", to hide the fact that the race was considered LIVESTOCK.
emmettk 3 months ago 2
There was over 1,000 blacks fighting in the 1st Louisiana Native Guard. Later this confederate regiment was reformed as a Union army by the same name. However out of the 1000+ blacks in the confederate regiment, only 107 enlisted into the Union regiment.
NeoxideMolten 3 months ago
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COLOREDS ARE STILL SLAVES !!!! WE JUST KEEP THEM IN THEIR GHETTO AND KILL THEMSELVES WITH DRUGS AND A.I.D.S. THEN THEY PERFORM FOR THE WHITE MAN IN SPORTS. OBAMA IS JUST A TOKEN NIGGER !!!!!! WALL STREET CONTROLLS THE MONKEY !!!!!!!
ywillburn 3 months ago
....Meanwhile, there is no question that blacks made up approximately 10% of the Union army, numbered well over 100,000 alone... a number dwarfed, still, by the FOUR MILLION SLAVES owned by the five million whites of the Southern states by 1860.
PatchesRips 3 months ago
Historians and staff – notably Robert Krick – at Spotsylvania National Battlefield Park have sifted through about 100,000 soldiers’ records to see how many non-whites were represented. Non-whites could be blacks, Native Americans, and mulattoes. They found that only 20-30 non-whites were found out of 100,000 soldiers’ records, less than 1/300th of 1%. If that ratio was applied to the 750,000 – 900,000 CSA serving, then at best, between 250-300 black soldiers may have served in the CSA Army.
PatchesRips 3 months ago
And there were black nazis whats your point?
wolfstar143 3 months ago
@pmack169 you say we remain poor by choice,but people in the north pay twice as much for a house with half the land.we might make less but we also pay less.so dont try to make the south look dumb.im sure you're a demacrat because of your poor labor laws statement, but here in the south we dont need the government to hold our hands. also i bill clinton sighned this bill called no child left behind ,or the dumbing down of america so they teach everyone the same.
bbmetz 3 months ago
The photo of the "Free" black Confederates is really of Blacks in the Union Army, and it was taken probably in 1864, NOT in 61. Historians point out that the photo was later manipulated to include the subtitle "!st Louisina Native Guard 1861." -- In other words, it is based on a real photo, BUT that it has been altered to make it look like these black soldiers were Confederate soldiers. They were, in fact, soldiers for the Union.
Inari1987 3 months ago
@Inari1987 Another detail you need to know...the Confederacy continually fought against the idea of even allowing blacks in it's army. It was not until March 1865 when Lee needed more men desperately that the govt finally gave in...but by the time the new black regiment would have been ready to fight, the war was over... So please, do not propogate this kind of obvious lie in your videos.. I ask you as a historian.
Inari1987 3 months ago
This is bullc..p. In the southern states lived 9 mln people of which 4 mln were black slaves. Now only 25% of southern people owned slaves. The other 75% were inluenced by this aristocrats and died not for the freedom but for interests of the rich. See how were conducted the drafts in the south.In the army of the Union have served 100.000 black soldier while all the requests of Robert E. Lee to enlist black soldier were declined
calinel84 3 months ago
@calinel84 So true. I smelled BS as soon as I saw the picture, and I did some quick research. I'm a history major, so I knew that the south resisted the thought of letting blacks in it's army until March 1865. -- One Confederate said that if blacks could be good soldiers, then their theory of white supremacy was wrong..So they had a vested interest in not allowing African-Americans to fight even if they wanted to..which not many did.
Inari1987 3 months ago
@Inari1987 the officer in charge of the gun battery that started the war at fort sumpter was commanded by a black officer. guess history (forgot) that fact.
307blackhorse 3 months ago
@307blackhorse What is your source for that? The Union did not even let ANY black soldiers in the army until 1863, and the Confederates in March 1864. So what source do you have that says those who started the was were commanded by a black officer?
Inari1987 3 months ago
@307blackhorse "the officer in charge of the gun battery that started the war at fort sumpter was commanded by a black officer. guess history (forgot) that fact."
Guess you forgot his name. What was it?
Because the fact is, there WERE no black officers in the United States army in 1861. So unless the CSA just grabbed some guy off the street and commissioned him, there would have been no blacks with command experience to have filled that role in 1861.
Forgive me if I call bullshit.
PatchesRips 3 months ago
@Inari1987 The man you're referring to was General Howell Cobb, who opposed the idea of arming blacks even as the CSA lay dying in March, 1865: "You cannot make soldiers of slaves, or slaves of soldiers. The day you make a soldier of them is the beginning of the end of the Revolution. And if slaves seem good soldiers, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong."
CSA revisionists need to ask: why would a black man fight to keep his children in chains? What Jew would fight for the Nuremberg Laws?
PatchesRips 3 months ago
@PatchesRips They will say "It was for states rights." Or "It was taxes and tarrifs." If that is the case, why did the Ordinances of Secession make more of of a point to complain about the North's attitude about slavery, and why are taxes not even mentioned in the ordinances? If they do not list it as a reason for secession in the original documents, then it was likely not a reason. Jefferson Davis said long after the war slavery was just incidental...BUT during the war his words were different
Inari1987 3 months ago 2
as I had studied the war between the states, and also being a "Civil" war reenactor, the truth was that, slavery was becoming obsolete due to the industrial revolution, second slaves were considered a part of the family unit in most social circles and third, slaves fought along their owners during the war then granted rights as free men after a period of service and given land to own and farm also, a lot of native americans fought in the civil war too.
ers9162011 3 months ago
@ers9162011 Slavery was not becoming obsolete. Slavery was the reason for secession, the "cornerstone" of your entire nation, and explicitly protected by the confederate constitution until the end of time. Even when your loss was at hand, you proclaimed "We Want No Confederacy Without Slavery." That's why you support the confederacy, remember?
RonPaulHatesBlacks 3 months ago
Thank You. So many do not know the truth. We have been in a police state since 1865. African americans and whites were made wards of the state. No more rights. Its all propaganda. Do your research
1teufelhunden 3 months ago
They should have won, they are most deserve of it, and prehaps the actual truth would have been known
UScalvery 4 months ago
@wolfpax22 Don't lie on my videos.
Luigi84289 4 months ago
@pmack169 Please! Whole world knows yankee M.O. is 2 cause havoc, pretend it "just happens," then use it to "impose order." Exactly what many citizens complain about today. Any pretense for a petty power grab, a new "executive order" to take away rights. Same with this joke about "subsidizing"---you burned it to the ground, stole land, passed land grab acts, etc. THEN when you spend up what you steal, say you are "subsidizing" -- Pychopath Nation, lol! Yankees only steal.
westchesterny 4 months ago
@pmack169 no disagreements here. though I would qualify that remark that both Europe AND America have conducted genocides. The common theme, large powerful govn't are oppressive and tyranical.
KartChampion 4 months ago
@pmack169 yea but we need to get closer to a USA of 1790 than where we are today. We have crony capitalism..set up by Globalist bankers who run both parties and the federal reserve. these foreign nationals control EVERYTHING.We need to give the people the power of the purse back by eliminating the federal reserve system. Will that fix everything?No, but its a start to abolish this globalist system where ON RECORD they admit to destroying the USA by design by deindustrialization (for1 world GOVT)
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 a real man?? you mean those men in blue who came to the south and destroyed property, raped women, carried out war crimes?? Come on man.. as we discussed earlier.. be REALISTIC here. Neither side was good by any means. There were soo many more rapes, and war crimes carried out by federal troops than vice verca.. now the only legit. comeback to that would be that 95% of the war was IN THE SOUTH so that means more crimes will happen there (it is true in all wars there are war crimes)
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 these kind of racist loons here that not every1 who does NOT think the CSA was the most evil nation ever is some racist douchebag like this guy. As you can see many/most are but there are a few true 21st century southern realists who see all the errors of the CSA and point it out.. yet also point out that the north wasnt a "liberating army" of angels.I hope u wouldnt see me as the same as this stronghorse guy, I just want the USA of 1790 back(talking role of govt not slavery obviously)
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@23mbtx23 If south had said "we will trade slavery for your yankee sweat shop wage slavery, or better actually pay these guys more of a salary and better food than they are shown to get in the 1865 census--- the North would still have militarily subjugated them. South has no slaves now, but cannot secede, lol. The welfare-warfare-statist-militarist-empire with its communist underwritten think-tanked media and education fights many nations now--- it's claim to fame seems war, generally.
westchesterny 4 months ago
@pmack169
A simple "haha" or "lol" would do it. Your text makes you look nine- or crazy.
NoremacNotroh 4 months ago
@pmack169 now just shut up and leave me alone idiot
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 so dumb ass you wanted this so here it is so you dumb ass nigger that is way to educated for his own good. you are the reason why they didn't want you educated. to all you black out there that reads this i'm sorry for saying the n word, but this so called idiot just won't shut up. he just showing how big a idiot he is and again i'm sorry
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 But its not Obama or bush that are to blame.. they are just puppets.. frontmen.. salesmen for the elite's agenda. Tahts why there "continuity of agenda" and both parties are completely bought and payed for.. as is the media. People really think these republican candidates are different than obama.. romney wrote obama care, cain is a fed reserve head.. the same federal reserve that is holds true power in this country and is destroying America by design to bring 1 world gov't
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 you know history .. are your currently politically awake? have you freed yourself from the fake right VS left paradigm in this country that the elite use to divide the people? with obama running against Bush and all of Bush's war crimes, etc. yet he gets into office and just perpetuates EVERYTHING bush did. (obama said hed stop patriot act, shut down gitmo, outa iraq, never use signing statements, not have wall street lobbyist,etc) point by point he failed to bring change
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 neitehr one of us R discussing the "free black myth" in this video.your oversimplifying things with this south is evil north is angels. south are racists & northerners R picking up their weapons 2 go free the slaves. If U really think thata majority of the federal soldiers were there to free slaves; your wrong.And the enlisted soldier in the idnian wars does what hes ordered by the agenda and the brass which were northern admins that DID in fact preside over the eradication of Indiands
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 agreed tarriffs are what made the USA great and was needed to grow the strength of the country. The idea that tarrifs are bad or only sought by northerners isa total lie any "bubba from alabama" that says that is not educated. without tarrifs american industry and economy would have been paralyzed. This is where the south seeking indepdence comes into play tho, the want and desire to set their own economic policies and not have the northern majority in the US house determine it 4 them
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 In addition to over simplifying it. you are not being fair minded and rational about the debate. Be realistic and objective as I am. I am not some good ole boy saying slavery isnt an issue in any way. Im saying control is the biggest issue (to decide slavery and ALL other issues) The south and north were verry different back then in many ways. But be realistic and dont portray the north as angels. They were in charge and administered the eradication of Indians from the continent.
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 Im being realistic saying the EXPANSIOn of SLAVERY is the big issue. If keeping slavery legal in the cotton states was the issue than the corwin amendment would have passed and slavery woulda stayed legal there. But the south wanted control to decide issues for themselves.. the biggest issue there is slavery. but its not ONLY slavery, its the desire to have control over ALL issues. I am agreeing saying slavery is the issue, but ur oversimplifying it
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 ive never debated this "free black volunteer" issue.. ima realist not some neoconfederate.. neoCon republican like all the good ole boys here that say slavery has 0 to do with it & the south is some UTOPIAN VALHALLA. Im simply saying theres more than one cause. Its not as simple as one side wanting to keep slaves and one side wanting to liberate blacks. AS the war continued, freeing slaves became more and more the big issue. Crittendon resolution being repealed is evidence to that
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 no sir.. does not make the point moot. The leader of those US Armys... were not southerners.. im talking about at the very top.. the ones conducting those wars... those were republican administrations.. republican appointed secretary of war... .. are you saying that southerners are the cause of the indian wars too?? that the defeated CSA said.. "well were back in the USA now.. next best thing.. lets kill some indians" thats soo not true and i know your too smart to believe that
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 no he unstands no one owe him any thing, not like you.as for raceist you are one of the most raceist persons. worst than any white out there. if i was a raceist i be calling you the N. word, but no i have more respect for the black then that. so don't go making me something a'm not
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 and you still call southerners racists and northerners angels when.. the northern led republican administrations after the civil war carried out THE LARGEST RACE WAR ON THIS CONTINENT. The systematic killing of all native americans.. men, women, and children all hunted down and killed. If you think the Indian wars were good or okay in anyway and not by definition racist then your being a hypocrite. Ive always said slavery and race is a huge issue with the ACW.. just not the only one.
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 besides the south treated the blacks better than the north did. the north didn't want the black in the north to start with. and as for being a old angry racist i'm not the one that emailed you. you email me and started it, i hadn't been on here for 4 months. so since this is all over your head, so did you get to explain the southern way to you, so i'm out of this out of this.so don't reply .no one car tell your dumb Yankee ass nothing so cause trouble with some one else.
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 as for being racist i don't think so. i think don't all black are bad just like i don't think all whites are good . you Yankee Dumb asses didn't give the south nothing for 10 yrs. after the war. northern carpetbagger and bankers took what they wanted. and that is why the kkk was born so take your idiot ideals some where else and leave me alone.
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 you haven't kick no ones ass you are the one that can't read, 2 the way you talk tells me you think that.3 i can't care less if you are rich. you said it i didn't say you was a dumbass, i said you was a yankee idiot. all you doing is causing trouble, you don't care, all you do is what the naacp want you to know and say that why you don't like Mr. egderton. he actually know the real truth. for that reason he's not president of the naacp any longer cause he found the truth
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 Lincoln had an amendment 2 legalize slavery BEFORE HIS ELECTION? you have completely destroyed your credibility. Lincoln supported an amendment about slavery before his election alright.... the CORWIN AMENDMENT. which would have made slavery legal in the south and illegal in the north and in any new states/territories. But slavery would have been enshrined in the Constitution until repealed by 3/4 of the states which is unattainable till the 1920s.
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 It was the highly centralized USA government of the "re-union-ed" post civil war USA that carried out the biggest race war on this continents history (Indian wars). Why are you so quick to call the south racist when the northern led republicans decided to carry out the racist wars against the native americans throughout the late 19th century? I know all whites north/south are racist by 21st century standards but the true history of the USA is shameful
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 Al Qaeda is CIA/PENTAGON run. Thats why Al Qaeda members are dining at the pentagon the week before 9/11.The CSA shouldnt have fired on sumter, but if they hadnt & the north fired the 1st shot.. you wouldnt think the CSA was in the right there either. The victor of each war writes the history. All the CSA wanted was to be left alone, the CSA sent a peace party to lincoln. Lincoln wouldnt listen. CSA paid over 85% of the taxes, USA wouldnt let them leave peacefully.
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 no the crittendon resolution means everything. it means the northern states all officially stated that the war WAS NOT FOUGHT OVER SLAVERY. It was to REJOIN the UNION. now the reasons for secession are more than JUST slavery. Obviously slavery has something to dow tiuh it but there are as many as TEN reasons for the war. There are no confederate regimental flags or songs about "keep the slaves".. but its about taxation w/out reprentation and a difference in beliefs on MULTIPLE ISSUES
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 well if the southern states wanted to keep slavery legal they would have taken the deal Lincoln promised that if they rejoined.. lincoln guaranteed he would pass the corwin amendment. So lincoln obviously is not some abolitionist like you may seem to believe. If all the south wanted was to keep slavery legal, they woulda taken the deal & slavery woulda been constitutionally legal in the south and illegal elsewhere until repealed which takes 3/4 so it wouldnt have been till 1920s
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 ok? that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Im talking about the fact that white northern men thought of colored people the same way. and that the war was not 100% about slavery. Thats why there are things like the crittendon resolution, thats why theres a huge ABOLITIONIST IN MASS named LYSANDER SPOONER who supported THE CSA! Because it was known that slavery way AN issue but not THE ONLY ISSUE.
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 not all northern states, but many northern states and hundreds more city laws that banned blacks from moving, buying real estate etc... if u claim that the entire north were abolitionists equal rights activists and the entire south were all slave holders and racists you're wrong. Every war in human history had more than one cause.. civil war included. Even the northern states said the war wasnt about slavery in 61! LOOK UP THE CRITTENDON RESOLUTION!
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 not all northern states, but many northern states and hundreds more city laws that banned blacks from moving, buying real estate etc... if u claim that the entire north were abolitionists equal rights activists and the entire south were all slave holders and racists you're wrong. Every war in human history had more than one cause.. civil war included. Even the northern states said the war wasnt about slavery in 61! LOOK UP THE CRITTENDON RESOLUTION!
23mbtx23 4 months ago
@pmack169 you know you are just like some other 17 yr. old idiot that was on here 4 months ago that all he want to do was cause trouble just like you. you just don't get it do you, there is two sides to every thing.the only side you want to take is yours
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack just like i said a union idiot that can't read, idiot i told you (CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR). No one can tell you anything!!! you must be a dog you can't learn new thing? I'm all most 60 and still can learn new thing. I see now why, just by what you told rebel2276 you are black, so you think everyone owe you something. well dude i don't owe you anything, and i'm not racist i think H.G. Edgerton is one of the greatest person alive
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 YOU CAN TRY BUT YOU COME AT ME I'LL PUT A 40 CAL' BULLET BETWEEN THE EYES
stronghorse1000 4 months ago
@pmack169 i told you to read {cause of the civil war} and if you can't read may be you can get some one to read it to. and the north didn't trade half as much that the south did, the south shipped cotton and tobacco to Europe. and if you want to know what tariffs READ {CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR} it tell you the reason why it didn't happen in just a year or two it was for more then 30 years. so if you don't read it i guess you just won't know
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@pmack169 DURING OUR WAR OF 1861, ex-slave Frederick Douglass observed, "There are at the present moment, many colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down ... and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government."
Let me know if you need more sources, but I predict you won't believe Frederick Douglass or anyone or anything.
rebel2276 5 months ago
@pmack169 No, I did not miss any point. You are using "Hindsight", In March 1865, nobody knew that Petersburg would fall on April 2nd. Ed Bearss who is the top historian, told Brian Pohanka and myself 9-10 years ago, the US. Government covered up the role of the Confederate Negro. There are thousands of reports from Union soldiers and officers that they fought against Confederate Negros. Odd, many years and decades after the war, Africans are in Confederate reunion pictures. That is strange.
rebel2276 5 months ago
@rebel2276 Did you receive the book I mailed you? I heard you found Confederate cavalry in the morning at Gettysburg July 1st??? I am very interested in what you found. I emailed you and no response, I figured you be on this site.
Let us know your alive out there!
God Bless!
BGThomasHillhouse 4 months ago
@BGThomasHillhouse Hello Tom, yes I got the book and finished it before going down to Khost, been very busy down there. We are trying to open a old Russian supply road. I am NOT going to answer my emails, all 278 of them. Just leave a message on here.
I will tell you all about the Confederate Cavalry, sources, etc on the early morning July 1st. I am utterly exhausted, usually only Sunday I sleep, but we got in late, I will be passed out all day/night. Good news, Laura is flying out here :D
rebel2276 4 months ago
@pmack169 Jefferson Davis mentions free trade as the main cause in his address. The reason the entire North and West voted for Lincoln was because the Tariff increases benefited them. Anywhere that had industry would have benefited from the creation of American monopolies through the use of the Tariff. Slavery had nothing to do with the war. The war was about secession. The Federal Government could have just bought all the slaves and released them like the UK did. The Feds use blacks even today.
Luigi84289 5 months ago
The comment section here is nothing more than a neo-confederate circle-jerk. Your ignorance and intentional disinformation is entertaining, but nothing more. The fact that you so willfully lie to yourselves is telling. Keep on jerking each other off.
dburt1 5 months ago
@pmack169 Had the war lasted another Six months, Petersburg/Richmond, we would have read of a a Negro division. Now colored soldiers were paid a $100 bounty, but Africans joined because they had little choice, starve or get paid and fight. So the old time myth, that the South did not raise one single African company has been long debunked. The US. Government did a great job covering it all up for a long time.
rebel2276 5 months ago
@pmack169 just like i said a union idiot that thinks he know something that know nothing whites and blacks in the confederate army fought together in one unit not a unit of there own like the union did them
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@pmack169 read {cause of the civil war} and if you can't understand that than it's way over your yankee head
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
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stronghorse1000 5 months ago
The Confederate states of America was an underground government 5 years before the civil war.We had them dam Yankees fooled,Five years before the civil war many southern home and land owners was being foreclosed on by the Northern Jewish bankers.
crossboy56 5 months ago
The question of slavery, honestly, isn't a factor. The South was on it's way to abolishing slavery before the war started. Unfortunately there were those, a minority, who beleived that slavery was right and that blacks were inferior. For the most part Southerners, while they did view slaves as property, also saw them as people with beliefs and they respected that. Black soldiers and the majority of blacks in the South were actually much better treated in the South then they were in the North.
Caveman67100 5 months ago
@pmack169 The "First Native Guards" offered their services to the Confederacy first. They were freemen that owned slaves themselves. The Confederacy applauded their efforts to join, but did not take them serious. In early 1863, they then joined the Union Army in New Orleans. In the city of New Orleans there were about "10,000" free blacks. Of that number "2,300" owned slaves themselves.
rebel2276 5 months ago
So that's where the uncle ruckus character comes from..I bet if anyone were to ask those black confederates if they'd like to return to state of slavery like their ancestors,I'm sure they'd say,"fuck you honkies!! LOL
mroinaz 5 months ago
It's cause if you can show there were some Black Confederates it takes a lot of wind out of their attack . They have always known there were ones but don't want anyone else to know. Ruins the ceral box history they want everyone to eat .
mollymu1 5 months ago
It's cause if you can show there were some Black Confederates it takes a lot of wind out of their attack . They have always known there were ones but don't want anyone else to know. Ruins the ceral box history they want everyone to eat .
mollymu1 5 months ago
In the North it wasn't considered slavery if after workiing in the factories all week you gave the children a nickel.
JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed 5 months ago 2
@JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed That's true and put them in dangerous situations .
mollymu1 5 months ago
@JesusMakeUpMyDyinBed 1920 yes, the civil war happen 600 years before factories
crossboy56 5 months ago
what units in which of the Confederate armies were Negro? List them. the Lousiana Negro Guard was formed after Union gunboats took New Orleans, so they were fighting for the North.
What law of the Confederacy legalized the use of black men as soldiers? When was it passed?
If blacks were so pro-South as to rise up in great numbers to defend the Confederacy, why did Nathan Bedford Forrest found the KKK and lynch blacks during the Reconstruction?
This claim makes no sense at all -
SupernalOne 6 months ago
@SupernalOne For your first question, "Major Henry C. Scott's battalion had one entire company of Negro soldiers. They fought on March 11th, 1865 at Petersburg, Virginia.
"Scott's battalion and a portion of the Negro company were transferred to Major Jackson Chambliss's Negro Battalion." "His command, two companies was organized under the act of Congress, March 5th, 1865, and was part of the Negro brigade being raised by Major Pegram and Major Turner.
rebel2276 5 months ago
@SupernalOne All that information was destroyed by the Confederate staff.However, the Confederate allies the french have the true history of the Confederate state of America.
crossboy56 5 months ago
@crossboy56 it wasn't the south that destroyed all the information it was Sherman that burned and destroyed things in the south, if you are going to say things get it right, it was the union that done the destroyed
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@SupernalOne All confederate units had black and white slaves
crossboy56 5 months ago
@SupernalOne just like all the other union idiot that think they know everything
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@stronghorse1000
And what do you know, & how do you know it? Were you there? Do you trust the memoirs of Confederate officers & soldiers, the captured Confederate orders & documents? On what basis do you say "I doubt it"? Sure, the historical record says that the issue was put in terms of liberty vs. tyranny, the Constitution vs. State's Rights -- & there were economic factors, too: slaves didn't vote, but immigrants did. But imagine no slavery in America - would there have been a war?
SupernalOne 5 months ago
@SupernalOne i do have to say i'm sorry about coming on hard on you. but i don't think it is right for a human to own a human be it black, yellow, red or white. the poor people of the south didn't fright just to make the rich richer. the poor people didn't how the money to buy slaves, but the high taxes the north put on them was taking them down. i'm part Cherokee and rich Cherokee did own slaves i not proud of that part of the Cherokee but very proud of being Cherokee
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Supernalone my people came from Tennessee and didn't own slaves and they moved to Missouri around the early 1850's. my great,great grandfather was in the union in 1861 but Missouri was still a southern state an there secession did not have the word slave in it. as you know all families have their own history and that is how history is made were it true are not. but some of the real history of the south was burned when the union came through the south
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@SupernalOne let's just say if the north had slaves and which they did have all though the war, cause the north didn't outlaw slavery in the north until 1868, so yes there would have been a war,cause the north high taxes was cutting the throats of the small land owner and cutting into the rich's profits so yes my friend their would have. i don't know of Bruce Cattons work but i do know of Shelby Footes work and he's good but you can't go on family history it's a good start not all of is true
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@SupernalOne just like not all the south history is true and not all the north history is true the only way to know is read the old news papers from the times to know but there is not too many of them around sense the union burned the south to the ground. like i said earlier i'm sorry about coming down hard on you
stronghorse1000 5 months ago
@stronghorse1000
thanks, no problem - US history is full of irony, tragedy, heroism, injustice & high principle - certainly broadens the mind to look into it - well, cheers, stronghorse1000, see you at some battle reenactment sometime -
SupernalOne 5 months ago
I DID NOT KNOW THIS ISLAMISM PEACE
deymoor7 6 months ago
great vid!
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JOHNNYFREEDOMdaREBEL 7 months ago
This is just another attempt to make the confederacy look good. Even if some blacks did fight it doesnt give credit to the confederacy for the confederacy held blacks as inferior. I highly doubt any of those blacks willingly fought on the side of confederates or even truly knew what position they fighting for. Just like the arabs and blacks that fought on the same side as the NAZIS during WW2. It does mean that the nazis had evil intentions.
TheCaliCapitalist 8 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist You're pathetic to run down the intelligence of black men who served their homeland.
darthroden 8 months ago
@darthroden Not nearly as pathetic as the lynchings by the KKK to scare the blacks away from the polls during Reconstruction, not to mention the Jim Crow laws that lasted about 100 years after the end of the war. Why were "black men who served their homeland" treated that way? Because white Southerners didn't view them as equals and didn't want them to have any power. That's part of the reason they weren't put into the CS army as combat soldiers until the war was practically over.
galoon 7 months ago
@galoon
(snore) Oh wait, did you actually have a point?
darthroden 7 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist You're exactly right--they didn't serve very willingly. Blacks were finally officially accepted as Confederate soldiers a few weeks before Appomattox. To demonstrate the great trust they had in their sable arm, all 150 or so of these black recruits were housed in Richmond's prison yards and were officered by Provost Guards (MPs) and prison wardens!
galoon 7 months ago
the Civil war was about economics not slavery
zombie2wo 10 months ago 2
@zombie2wo right you are, the north started taxing the south because they done more business with England and other Countries than the north did and the north only had iron works to sell. so the north became like England did during the revolutionary war
stronghorse1000 9 months ago 5
When you look at the whole picture of the civil war with an opened mind, it all comes down to the power's ruling the country both north and south. What could the gain from a war! I don't feel the north or the south cared anything at all about the African Americans whom they kidnapped from their home lands. It was all a matter of profit. Now one spect of human feeling here. Has it changed? No! When a country states that it is a free nation with justice for all, and on the other hand that country
klaatoons 10 months ago
@klaatoons the southern people did not kidnapped any African from there home land. it was other African warriors that kidnapped other Africans in wars and raids and sold them to the slaves ships
stronghorse1000 9 months ago 2
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stronghorse1000 9 months ago
Do you realize that the first picture you show is actually a well known fake. It is actually a photo of Union soldiers. Their commander is standing at the left but has been cropped out. They have on Union uniforms with US belt buckles. Southern apologists are like preachers - have no concept of what honesty and truth means.
dburt1 10 months ago
@dburt1 You are about as gullible as your mother when she lost her cherry,They are Confederate troop with dead Yankees uniforms on
crossboy56 5 months ago
@crossboy56 You are as full of shit as this video is and the ahistorical (that means not historical) bull you are spreading. The only people you fool are the other idiots with their confederate heads up their confederate asses.
dburt1 5 months ago
I agree with this video but can't show anyone, as the text is illiterate and would make us all look like jackasses.
JobberBud 10 months ago
the question of the morality fo slavery was not questioned even in the south in the 1850s and 60's the question was what to do with the slaves ONCE they were freed,"when someone looks at this issue they MUST look at it as a person in 1850s america would NOT as a person in 2011 america would"it was a logistics nightmare to have 3 million freed blacks in america, considering ALL NORTHERN STATES HAD STATE LAWS FORBIDDING ANY PEOPLE OF COLOR FROM ENTERING THE STATE! PRETTY RACIST STUFF 4RM THE NORTH
23mbtx23 11 months ago 6
@23mbtx23 "the question of the morality of slavery..." makes sense, lets maintain slavery since we dont know what to do with them.
"all northhern states had laws forbidding..." Yes which is why slaves escaped to the North to gain freedom. Makes sense that EVERY SINGLE ANTI SLAVERY NORTHERN STATE would have such laws. Where are those laws by the way? I'd love to see a primary source document.
kemoblue4u 11 months ago
@kemoblue4u look up the indiana/illinois/oregon constitutions, once the slaves did escape north what do u think happened.. all northern whites embraced them and loved them and gave them property rights,etc? if u think that.. your delusional, northern whites excluding abolitionists (which were a minority around 5%) believed all blacks should be deported back to africa . STOP thinking the false reality that one side is good one side is bad. Lincoln supported the crowin ammendemnt LOOK THAT UP
23mbtx23 11 months ago
@23mbtx23 Nice, "all northern states" yet you only provide 3? Id like to know what section, these constitutions encompass all of things and frankly im not seeing anything in the indiana consttution that supports your statement.. No, i never said that, i know racism was rampant in the north but NOTHING compared to the south. If what you say is true then how can you explain the great migration period post slavery? millions of blacks moving north? explain and source please.
kemoblue4u 11 months ago
@kemoblue4u i only have 500 characters and I gave you the documents(these are just 3 examples) the 1851indiana state constitution (dont look up the current one obviously the clause not allowing blacks into the state was removed.. use common sense). facts are there are hundreds of state/ city/county laws&ordinances permitting any FREE blacks from owning property/moving to the state. Lincoln was as racist as they come, to his dying day he wanted all blacks erradicated from the continent & deported
23mbtx23 10 months ago
@kemoblue4u indiana's specific case is like msot laws i refer to.. theyre called exclusion laws and it was popular amongst all white people of the time to maintain racial purity.. im not saying northvs south 1 is right and 1 is wrong... im showing how northerners were just as intolerant. 1 reason why are these laws i speak of which is DE FACTO SEGREGATION ! lincoln wanted to make slavery 4ever legal in his 1st inaugral address and in the same speech said he would bring bloodshed to collect taxes
23mbtx23 10 months ago
@23mbtx23 Certainly Auburn NY provided help to escaped slaves before and during the war, and gave houses to Harriet Tubman and others after the war. My grandmother used to sit on Harriet Tubman's knee.
DonMeaker 10 months ago
@23mbtx23 The North wasn't racist they wanted to maintain stability. Racism isn't real only conflicts and supremacy complexes. Stability is what you are explaining. The south was a stable, productive, happy area. The only way to free the slaves and save everyone including the slaves wellbeing was to (like the North) free them slowly over a period of time phasing the institution out. It was technically happening already. 150,000 blacks in the south were free and many owned slaves in 1860.
Luigi84289 10 months ago
@Luigi84289 their were a lot of northerns that owned slaves in 1860's,up to that war the free blacks owned blacks and the Cherokee owned blacks and the Creek owned blacks and the Choctaw owned blacks that was the way of life for 200 years from the year 1620
stronghorse1000 9 months ago
@Luigi84289 I am a black southern,and my forefathers fought on the Confederate side in the civil war as free men.They were sharecroppers the same as a land contract..The Confederate congress voted to free any slaves and their families if the fought for the CSA.This happen four years before the war.There was black land owners in America before Columbus came to America
crossboy56 6 months ago
@crossboy56 Do you have documents supporting those facts?
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There were freemen who fought on the side of the Confederates, there was no doubt, but they did not do so on their own free will. Sharecropping was NOT the same as owning land and sharecroppers were generally treated terribly.
iwebber88 5 months ago
@Luigi84289 So did American Indians
1998disco72 6 months ago
@23mbtx23 That's not true. About half of the Northern states had black codes forbidding blacks to live there, but the rest, like Pennsylvania, welcomed them. Pennsylvania had whole communities of blacks, with their own schools and churches.
galoon 7 months ago
@galoon Of course, the idea that the federal troops were all these 'liberators" and were all volunteering to help with the "plight of colored people" is literally 180 degrees the opposite of reality. Look at the crittendon-johnson resolution passed by congress 150 years ago TODAY! The congress declared that the war was to be fought to bring the union back together and NOT to interfere with slavery. So the US House of Reps (made of that time of ONLY UNIONIST States) said slavery is not the issue
23mbtx23 7 months ago
@23mbtx23 Sure, by our standards, it would be pretty rare to find any Americans in the 1800s who weren't racist. Freeing the slaves wasn't a Northern objective at the war's start--it didn't become a war aim until Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. No reputable historian believes that men volunteered for the Union Army specifically to free the slaves. But war changes things, and one of the casualties of the Civil War was slavery--wherever the Union armies marched, it went out of existence.
galoon 7 months ago
@galoon agreed. the slavery issue became an issue only after the emancipation procolmation because lincoln being the brilliant politician he was knew that he needed the moral high ground and more than just "save the union" line to keep the war going.. (popularity of the war was fading very quickly). As i have always stated.. the cause of the war was over a myriad of issues .. perhaps up to 10 different reasons in fact.. not just 1. Expansion of slavery being a big one along with other things
23mbtx23 7 months ago
@23mbtx23 Exactly. This wasn't a very popular war on either side, particularly in the North, where the Army of the Potomac was making little headway in the East. I agree on the Emancipation Proclamation--Lincoln also had a diplomatic reason for enacting it--to prevent Britain and France from intervening on behalf of the South. There were indeed plenty of issues that caused hostility between North and South--tariffs and conflicting ideas for routes for the transcontinental railroad among them.
galoon 7 months ago
@intrepeco The only reason your messages get deleted is because they are redundant. I allow you to have your opinion but it is just that. Hate is what must be discarded by everyone of every side. We're more developed than that.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@Luigi84289 As far as message is taken is enough.. the message was mearnt for you and not everyone.. you dont have to keep it there..
intrepeco 11 months ago
@intrepeco Because you are a hater. Hate is the problem. Whether from me or anybody it is wrong. You people don't seem to understand that all you are doing by getting on these kinds of videos and telling people to be ashamed of their heritage, what makes them who they are is wrong. I could pick out all the problems with the rest of America before and after the war and it wouldn't negate the right of you or anyone else to be proud of who they are and embrace their heritage.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@Luigi84289 just be sure to tell the truth next time..
intrepeco 11 months ago
@intrepeco You're not gonna get me worked up like you want if you want to kill me come and do it.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@Luigi84289 I leave the lynching to lovers of slavery.. educate yourself;l; little man.
intrepeco 11 months ago
@intrepeco Look I don't care what you type man. What makes you think your opinion matters to me in the least? What am I supposed to do say that you are right and just let people like you run my life? I can't believe you can't see that you are the child here. Your opinion is just that and not divine. You've posted enough on my video. Everything else you type troll will be deleted. Keep posting I enjoy deleting your posts. You're not gonna hose up my comments section.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@intrepeco I'm tougher than any fool who has emotional rants on a message board will ever be. I've been shot at, had a gun pointed at my face, fought a man who could bench 415 and had a knife pulled on me. Grow the fuck up. I was like you when I was immature sheltered and had no grasp on reality. You're messaging a 6 foot tall 210 lb electrical technician.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@intrepeco Yes you were emotional. Accept it like a man. You are crazy. You erect barriers and hate people whom you see as fitting a certain mold. Don't post on this video again. Your prior comments are enough. When you want to grow up and realize we are all people and some do not consist of one emotion you may post on this again.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
at 2:30 was that denzel washington lol
44652700 1 year ago
GO READ A BOOK ARE YOU PURPOSALLY SAYING THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN RACE WANTED TO BE ENSLAVED BY ANYONE IN THE SOUTH?!
TheRapper10000 1 year ago
@TheRapper10000 Some of the masters were black. There were free black citizens in the south. The South was right by Walter D Kennedy to name just one book reveals the truth. Slavery was not black oppression. It was a system. A system that was seeing the end of it's days.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Luigi84289 so whites bolstering the cause of slavery as a means to control race mixing wasn't oppressive? The kidnapping of free blacks and sending them South to be slaves wasn't about oppression. You can't have an entire system based on slavery by race and have it not be about oppression.
TigerRifle1 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1 No whites bolstered the cause of slavery. The south was trying to restore the Constitution. The states have to be sovereign for the Constitution to have any teeth. Everyone is a slave to washington now. There can't be any constiutionally ratified amendments because the states have to have equal force to Washington to give a legit say. Washington has total power and can coerce any state to ratify any law and due to that every state government is friendly towards DC as well.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
You know what's funny; all the descendents of the slaves in America have it much better than those who were left in Africa. Another fact, the African tribe that won the battle sold thier prisoners into slavery. It was something world wide.
613maccabee 1 year ago
@613maccabee whether they are better off or not is irrelevant. It wasn't for White Europeans and their descendants to decide that for them.
TigerRifle1 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1 They were already slaves. Whites owned the land. They would have remained slaves had they remained in Africa under the same conditions slaves are held their today. America was founded by English rebels. The colonies were part of England which is white. The colonies were nothing more than an expanse of the English nation due to overcrowding and persecution. Everything about them was English, other European influences and all. Stealing African people outright would have lead to war.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1 People that hold your position don't seem to think Black people are beneath everyone else. They had their own nations, armies, money etc. Everything that Europeans had. When one tribe would conquer another they would take the conquered lots of times as slaves, captives of war. This is how Africans got to America. The African Kings would bring their nations slaves to the coasts and Europeans would buy them for molasses or whatever else they needed. Y'know New England triangle trade.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Luigi84289 Thats utter ignorance; Gun touting bands were responsible mainly for slave capture which also caused a lot of famine as pple stayed away from farms Your history teacher did a good job lying to you and making you a high grade bigot. Despite participation by some Jews (bankers who financed Hitler and Allies) against their own pple during NAZI germany Jews obtained compensation and world control while Africans get all the blame over slavery. Amazing!
intrepeco 11 months ago
@intrepeco If you have to attack my character you are a loser just trying to boost his own ego. Learn to focus on arguments. My argument has been put forth by people of every race. You can throw bigot around all you want like a 2 year old but it doesn't solve anything. Marginalizing and pushing people away you don't like is bigoted. You would label me that and feel the same way towards me.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@Luigi84289 Unfortunately you dont have any argument other than bigotted make-belief that Africans were sole responsible for slavery in order to run away from responsibility/compensation of Africans coz are black and are supposed to be savage! Stupid uninformed personality that absorbs bullshit and spews contempt on web is assassinates itself ALL PEOPLES WERE GUILTY? is Africa's character assassination to rationalize injustices still being done. If ignorant about how Africans lived .. ask
intrepeco 11 months ago
@intrepeco Get emotional as you want. You have no concept of reality. I'm leaving all that here so everyone can see how insane people like you are. Chill the fuck out. What you have typed is what is bigoted and hateful. I have said nothing of the like. You are just an intolerant loser like I said.
Luigi84289 11 months ago
@TigerRifle1 That's seem to think black people are below everyone else, typing quick.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1 As I stated before when tribes in Africa fought, the victor would sell thier captives into slavery. All peoples were guilty of this and slavery still exsist today in Africa.
613maccabee 1 year ago
Alert, please pass this on..the elite now has a depopulation plan via vaccines
go to google, type in Bill Gates and depopulation" " Bill Gates and worldwide birthcertificates"
I SAY LETS DEPOPULATE BILL GATES AND HIS KIND BY BRINGING ON THE SUN.
THE SUN IS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER. IF U HAVE AT LEAST
1OF3 OF THESE BRN HAIR, EYES, & SKIN U CAN ABSORB THE SUN. IT KILLS WHITES.
START BREAKING EVERY OZONE RULE SO THAT CRAP CAN BURN.
majesticshadeofblack 1 year ago
@majesticshadeofblack Sorry retard -- Gates is out there trying to helping Africans by medicine and food.
Maybe he should let them all die? What is your point moron?
NawwLeans 1 year ago
The war was about money - taking the south's money - period. That money came from slave intensive industries (enjoyed by us northerners). The south left because they did not want to and could not pay. In order to keep folks from seeing the power grab the North talks about slavery. Lincoln and friends corrupting the powers of the executive branch happened... and taught future leaders the constitution does not matter if no one yelps.
Masonictoaster9 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9 Sorry you stupid fuck -- the South said why the seceded, retard.
Got that? Your own leaders said why. Go fucking read their reasons. Read their own words you stupid shit. They said why. Got that you dumb fuck?
Go read their Declarations of Causes -- go read their Ultimatums. Go on you stupid shit.
Google Southern Ultimatums, retard. Google Southern Declaration of Causes you stupid shit.
Learn what the Southern leaders said at the time you retard.
ItchMyFoot 1 year ago
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@ItchMyFoot
"what the Southern leaders said"
You mean like this?:
"This war is not about slavery"--Robert E. Lee
Or this?:
"I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks,
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TheBoberton 1 year ago 2
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and his children seize the musket and fight our battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence, and that, or extermination."--Jefferson Davis
TheBoberton 1 year ago
i don't know much about the Confederate South, but i do know that modern history has tried to group all black amer. as african slaves. they would like us to believe that the 'underground railroad' was the reason most blacks left the south and not the industrial revolution. much black history is being changed and lied about.
traveln3 1 year ago
Ur mind is so twisted, Again U hypocritically defend Evil, a Genocidal Union & a White Suprimistic Lincoln who attempted to Enshrine slavery forever. U must learn, Slavery is wrong. Yes, even if the North is doing it. Learn from MLK, how he despised that slavery ended last in New Jersey not the South, how New Jersey even REJECTED the 13th Amendment in 1865. while other states ratified it, Not to mention that Rhode Island con't long after the war as the slavetrade capital of the world.
KartChampion 1 year ago
To use the Confederate constitution to show the